REPORT: Egypt Set To Criminalize Atheism

The Independent reports:

The Committee on Religion in the Egyptian Parliament has disclosed plans to pass into law a bill that makes atheism a criminal offence in the North African nation.

Current Egyptian law says atheists can be prosecuted for expressing their disbelief in public but the committee’s proposal would go further and criminalise disbelief itself.

It would be recalled that in 2014, little more than a week after Abdel-Fattah el-Sisi was sworn in as Egypt’s President, the government announced that it was preparing a national plan to crush every form of atheism.

  • Frostbite

    What’s next? You must believe in Santa?

  • Todd20036

    Funny how the God-fuckers demonize atheism, but you never hear of atheists trying to suppress religious freedom.

    You know Trump would love to do this, hell he’s openly trying to with his war on christmas crap

    • They claim we do, but it always come down to atheists opposing the religious from imposing their religion on the no religious.

      • Droz

        “Stop persecuting me by not allowing me to persecute you!”

    • Goodboy

      Whenever I see someone that says they’re a christian, muslim, etc I classify them as either having some mental issues to full on crazy if they truly believe. No other way around it.

      • McSwagg

        Well now, you’ve left out the “apolog-ists” You know, the ones who will tell you that all the fundamental-ists and extrem-ists aren’t “real” christians or muslims or whatever. My response to them is, “You, as a believer, have more in common with all those ‘ists’ than you have in common with me. All that fundamentalism and extremism is right there in your scriptures. You can’t pick-and-choose which parts to accept and which to reject. When you claim to follow a religion, you’re either ‘all in’ or you’re just a poseur. Me? I reject all super-naturalism.”

    • Craig Howell

      I must disagree. The Soviets, Communist Chinese and Cuban Communists (among other brands) were both atheists and enemies of any kind of religious freedom or expression.

      • Friday

        It’s the authoritarianism, really, more so than whether it’s ‘religious’ or not: it’s just Abrahamic monotheism is structurally authoritarian, however much they try to tone it down that way once in a while.

        Atheist regimes don’t actually want people to think differently, they just don’t want rival authorities from the religious front.

        • McSwagg

          And Friday scores a Bulls-eye!

  • cleos_mom

    “Traditional culture.”

    “Strong on family.”

    • McSwagg

      More like: “Strong on patriarchy.”

      • cleos_mom

        You bet. That’s what part 2 actually means.

  • bkmn
    • Todd20036

      Scratch “most” and replace it with “all”, and I’d agree with you.

      Hell, even Mother Theresa abused children. Sick children at that.

      • Mrs. Councillor Nugent

        Whose mothers had been denied the choice of birth control by her.

        • Rob NYNY

          And who believed that pain and suffering brought dying people closer to Jesus. She was a vile pig.

          • (((GC)))

            … who sought the best medical care for herself, while denying basic treatment to the people she was “helping”.

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          • Strepsi

            i was pulling your leg and it sounds good…. i think I could be octo-lacto variation, as my favourite thing in food is eggs

        • eyefidelity

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  • Michael R

    A convenient way to destroy anyone who doesn’t agree with you .

    • Friday

      Or that you can accuse of such. Accusations like this don’t even have to be *true,* when someone’s inconvenient, even if the main point is to enforce conformity and distract from failed policies and corruption.

  • Chucktech

    Well, doesn’t that just figure. A barbarous religious law in religious Barbaria.

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  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    If God was actually so powerful and self-evident and awesome, you wouldn’t have to bully people into believing in him.

    I once read an article where it states 5% of people in Saudi Arabia are atheists but go through the motions to avoid social ostracism and execution. Crap like this only pushes people to go underground with their non-belief.

    • CanuckDon

      Atheism and homosexuality….two of life’s facts that a vast majority on this bitter earth continually fight.

      • Craig Howell

        I consider myself an atheist by choice but gay by the grace of god.

        • CanuckDon

          I consider both of them our natural defaults. One can only learn of religious tales and beliefs through books or someone telling them otherwise, one could journey through life naturally unaware of any of it. Homosexuality, on the other hand, is something that one becomes aware of naturally on their own.

          • McSwagg

            “… one could journey through life naturally unaware of any of it.”

            Not in any of the places I’ve lived. The religionists are constantly trying to shovel their drivel down everyone’s throat.

    • Goodboy

      ..or their very fragile belief in general.

    • zhera

      I guarantee you the number is higher!

  • Harveyrabbit

    You’d think they’d make a law outlawing Judaism before atheism. I guess that’s next on the agenda then christianity.

    • Librarykid

      Most countries have done that at least once, the United States being the exception, SO FAR.

  • David

    If they’re trying to scare away millions of international tourists (the major source of income for Egypt)), and destroy the country, they’re doing an excellent job.

    • Rebecca Gardner

      Kinda like the GOP and Trump here

    • Chucktech

      I would have considered visiting Egypt. Not now. And glad I saw Israel (well, Jerusalem). No reason to go back to that filthy piece of fuckin’ desert again.

      • Goodboy

        Nor any of your friends. Talk about stupid.

    • NMNative

      We’d just seen an article about how tourism in Egypt has fallen to historically low levels. I’m not surprised.
      My husband and I have longed to travel to Egypt for decades, it’s probably number one on our list. Sadly, it looks like we’ll never make it there. As we are both gay and atheists, Egypt has made it very clear that they don’t want our money. We’ll spend our travel dollars either here at home or some lovely, accepting, tolerant countries like the Netherlands or Britain.
      Besides, the English museums have the most amazing collection of Egyptian antiquities outside of Cairo. (Mostly stolen or “acquired” during years of occupation, but, what the heck)

      • jruffdc

        Same for me and my Husband. We went to St. Thomas instead. Fuck em. Let their economy evaporate and their civilization crumble.

      • zhera

        Norway welcomes you!

        • Sporkfighter

          Norway sounds like a good place to visit, not necessarily for what’s there as for what’s not there. There’s a lot to be said for a blank canvas where you can create what you want.

          • zhera

            Not sure I understand this. Are you calling Norway a blank canvas?

          • Sporkfighter

            Not at all, but one of the major attractions for me is the openness, the lack of pressure to be what others think we should be. That sounds like the firmest of foundations on which to build a life and a society.

        • margaretpoa

          Know what? Just lately, I’ve been thinking a lot about Norway. Which is odd because I hate the cold. But Tromso sure is a lovely city.

      • orion dumptee

        ditto,ditto,and ditto..no way they’re gettin our tourist dollars (ignorant relig nutcases)..I will jus’ hafta be content watching Universals’ 1932 release ‘The Mummy’ w/Boris Karloff…to get our ‘egyptology fix’ …

      • Steven Jaeger

        Egypt is now moving further down our no list into the range of the hell no list like st. Petersburg Russia. And just like certain states are in the you cannot pay me enough to go there, like Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, South Carolina and probably most of Georgia

        • Al

          Let’s remember we have many gay friends and gay-friendly allies in places like Jackson MS, Nashville, Birmingham and Tuscaloosa (who just defeated a Bible bumper btw0 Charleston and of course Savannah and Atlanta. The states you list as “no go” need our support in the metros that are actually liberal and liberal-leaning. And honestly, some of these places are wonderful. Try Charleston for starters. You would not ever regret it. I saw rainbow flags proudly displayed there my last visit.

      • Strepsi

        We went in 2009 and LOVED it! You do have to steel yourself for a very anti-American attitude and a very hard-sell tourism industry. From aggressive taxi touts, to guards in pyramids blocking your exit asking for bakshish, it’s a hard-core country. We had several LOVELY guides, including a 20-something young woman in Abu simbel (the only female tour guide we saw, she gave hope for the future) and a super nice guy in Cairo who honestly asked us what “atheists” were (and when told, was shocked and did not believe such a thing could exist). But as I think ancient Egypt is the world’s coolest civilization, TOTALLY worth it.

        edit to add: we did lie and say we were straight friends whose wives were on a separate holiday – no WAY I’d be out in an Islamic country.

      • Al

        I must tell you my experience. I have travelled extensively in Africa, Europe, South America, Middle East, Russia. Egypt was the only country I absolutely hated. It wasn’t just for the way I was treated (which I chalked up to being American in an Arab country), it was more for the way I saw them day-in/day-out treat each other. Horrible bad energy. I couldn’t wait to get out.

        This was in 2012-2013, perhaps things have improved since then. But this type of news clip leads me to believe that it may be perhaps different, but not better. Good luck if you go; I know many who have had far better experiences than mine was. BUT: If you are gay, atheist, and at all feeling the need to be “out” about that, expect misery. It is not worth it.

    • Strepsi

      I was mind-boggled at the Western media (especially here in Canada) using the word “dictator” as they gleefully covered the toppling of Mubarak. Egypt was not like the other Arab Spring countries in that he was a strongmen keeping the country SECULAR and MODERN in the face of its own backwards Islamist majority population. Some countries are ungovernable without “dictators” (my Russian friends say this about Russia too)

  • Ninja0980

    And folks thought the Muslim Brotherhood in power would be bad.

  • KnownDonorDad

    Thought crime doubleplusungood.

  • The source article doesn’t really indicate if they are prohibiting simply atheism, but allowing all other faiths to be performed, or if it’s really about requiring everyone to worship their religion and nothing else.

    • Friday

      Monotheists tend to call everyone else ‘atheist’ whether religious or not.

      • Rob NYNY

        Monotheists tend to call themselves monotheist, even if they have dozens of divine and semi-divine supernatural beings. See, e.g., Catholicism. Four major gods, a major goddess, major saints, minor saints, angels, archangels, cherubim, seraphim, etc.

        • Friday

          I’m really not concerned with how Abrahamic monotheists work around their monotheism, they still reallyaren’t structured for a polytheistic wordview, (dividing up their Abrahamic God into several faces and then splitting hairs about who’s most monotheistic is pretty irrelevant when it’s still just supposed to be a unified authority.)

          The fact is, monotheists and monotheistic-based Atheists both think the whole universe only allows a single ‘right’ way to see things, however various monotheists have to populate their world with figures to fill in the gaps for the peoples they stripped of native cultures, whatnot. Their arguments with each other don’t really change the point I was making. Which is that Abrahamic monotheists consider everyone *else* ‘atheist’ and use the terms interchangeably with Pagan or heathen or whatnot, …. while Atheists, for that matter, call all non atheists the same kind of ‘religious’ when in fact, arguing with monotheists on monotheist terms.

          • Rob NYNY

            If this is supposed to convince me that superstition and religion are two different things, you could have saved about 250 words. But excellent typing skills. Not a single typographical error. That dead horse wants to be beaten. Can you do better than gibberish?

          • Friday

            Have you defined ‘superstition’ in some distinct way, or simply insisted that that’s what religion is?

          • Rob NYNY

            I would love to see some evidence that monotheists and monotheistic-based Atheists [neither of which exist] both think the whole universe only allows a single ‘right’ way to see things. That sounds much more like religious superstition. Triune god, for example?

          • Friday

            If you listen to Internet Atheists they tend to claim all non-Atheists, ie ‘the religious’ …are the same as Abrahamic monotheists, so yes, it definitely has much to do with it being just like they say, …the same thing with one less God.

          • Rob NYNY

            I’m glad that you are “not concerned about” blah blah blah. That really settles the question. Much more hand waving and you can be a sign interpreter or a semaphore station. Go for it. My advice: Stop blathering.

          • Friday

            It’s not a ‘handwave’ when I point out that their own arguments with each other and Atheists about how they embellish their idea of a unitary absolute monotheist authority does not actually make them structurally polytheist. They just have various ‘celestial bureaucracies’ or the equivalent, not any sort of value on a varied cosmos or multiple points of view.

    • McSwagg

      If you aren’t “submitted to Allah” (the actual meaning of muslim), you are in rebellion. And what is rebellion if not another word for atheism?

  • Rebecca Gardner

    I don’t understand how anyone can be an Atheist when presented with clear, logical, proof for the existence of God.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5d57805b82a334740c9cb0b83ea1ca3156911e8ee16f2aa7eea026230e8726b3.jpg

    • Tomcat

      Well put that way,,, Whooo boy they be dumb.

    • acde

      the picture really helps emphasize the mass appeal

    • The_Wretched

      You’re supposed to imagine a “deeper meaning” that’s not ludicrous.

      • McSwagg

        So, religion is imaginary?

        • Juvela Bumblebee

          Imaginary worlds have their entertaining qualities… tending to magnify your real-world qualities. If a person can just remember that their imaginary worlds are entertainments, perhaps even uplifting entertainments that make them live as better people, that is just fine. When people insist that their imaginary world is real… getting bloody in defense of what should be just an art work, well, things get rather grim. That is what we professionals call bat-shit crazy.

          • Juvela Bumblebee

            Oh… and a happy festivus y’all.

          • McSwagg

            Happy Solstice. May your days grow longer and brighter.

          • Robincho

            Longer is inevitable. Brighter will require some assistance…

          • McSwagg

            There’s always hope. May the 2018 election require for a significant change in the seating arrangements in both chambers of Congress. The dRumpf can at least be neutered, made irrelevant, and possibly impeached and imprisoned in 2019.

          • (((GC)))

            And until then (and afterwards!), may Democrats show more spine in using all possible tactics to delay, frustrate, and block the oligarchs’ agenda that’s represented so well by the 100% morally bankrupt Rethuglican Party.
            (Including blocking further judicial confirmations!)

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          • McSwagg

            I’m not a professional, and I’m able to detect the “bat-shit crazy”. But that’s just my objective rationalism and logic at work.

          • Juvela Bumblebee

            Ah, rationalism and logic… I have always had a fond feeling for them… never managed to actually possess them, but I love them all the same. It is the still small voice that has provided all the good in my life… when I listen.

        • The_Wretched

          Yes, just like telling stories.

          • McSwagg

            I thought the /snark tag was obvious.

    • Goodboy

      I prefer early Egyptian religion. Their Gods could kick ass.
      https://media.giphy.com/media/26tngL1mgCtEk4Fgs/giphy.gif

    • Sporkfighter

      It’s all allegorical. It’s just as evil as it would be if it were true but without the one possible redeeming quality: truth.

    • Craig Howell

      See also: “The Book of Mormon” (either the book or the musical).

      • Nic Peterson

        The musical was hilarious, the belief system sounds like it was written by a 19th century white teenage male. Oh, wait…

        • McSwagg

          In Mormon theology, the “pre-conquistador” inhabitants of the Americas rode horses long before there were any horses. It’s been shown also that the early patriarchs in Genesis rode camels long before camels were domesticated in that region of the middle east. Imagine my surprise to learn this parallel defect in both religions! It’s almost like they just made it all up from scratch.

          • olandp

            Those weren’t camels, they were T Rex.

          • jonfromcalifornia

            That’s not the only “inconsistency”. There’s the matter of honey bees which the Spanish also brought over and no one has found ANY chariot artifacts that are mentioned so prominently in the Book of Mormon. No great epic battles unearthed in the New York area, etc. It’s all a work of fiction of that con artist, Joseph Smith Jr.

          • Scott Carpenter

            I was a believer till my religion teacher challenged me to read the whole book (instead of just memorizing individual verses). I did. What total bullshit. A complete crock.
            But for some reason I can still quote Alma 30:60 and 1 Nephi 3:7.

          • Scott Carpenter

            And yet the demonstrable fact of this inconsistency can be brushed aside by True Believers. Taking my parents through the La Brea Tar Pits museum was a surreal experience, with the smug serenity of her belief protecting her from every display.

        • NedFlaherty

          . . . or an 11-year old science fiction fanatic trying to dash off his first preposterous novel during spring break.

    • (((GC)))

      And many of those Christians, who take such unnatural things as axioms of faith, condemn homosexuality because it’s supposedly “unnatural”!

  • John Davis

    I never wanted to see the pyramids and sphynx up close and personal anyway. Nowadays, just about any tourist going to northern Africa or the Middle East is playing Russian roulette with his/her life. Nice of these bigots to cut off a major source of their tourist dollars so blatantly, (lots of well-schooled atheists, as well as Christians, Jews, non-Muslim others, travel in their senior years).

  • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

    Fuck religion.

  • OdieDenCO

    legislating belief in your religion is sure proof it is based on a lie that can not stand for it’s self.

  • Tomcat

    Believe in our make believe god or we will persecute you fully under the laws of our make believe god.

  • Tomcat

    Starting to think ISIS was not way off wanting to destroy all the old religious relics of history. All they do is keep people hating harder.

  • Tomcat

    Thou shall have only one god,,, MONEY.

    • John Davis

      And Trump is his supreme manifestation of that spirit, living among us now here on planet Earth. We are SO SO LUCKY, aren’t we?

      • Tomcat

        And just think, he lets us say merry christmas.
        All while banning other words that mankind need to progress.

        • Librarykid

          Makes me think of the dark ages when the church was running everything.

  • DaddyRay

    So basically they are trying to drive out the scientists

  • olandp

    How can you criminalize a belief, or lack of belief. All one has to do is say they believe in Allah, no way to prove it, or dis-prove it.

    • DaddyRay

      They would figure me out if I ran for elected office and was sworn in on a stack of vintage Colt magazines

      • olandp

        That would make you a whole lot more credible than the liars who swear on a Bible. They couldn’t possible believe any of what is in the Bible, otherwise they would be paralyzed with fear of their afterlife.

        Does this mean that Egypt will destroy all of their artifacts and monuments? After all they were meant for the worship of a pagan polytheistic religion, which is obviously false.

        • Mike in NC

          ISIS has expressed that very desire; don’t tempt them.

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      • Reality.Bites

        Trivia – members of Congress don’t have to swear on anything. It’s a group swearing in.

      • McSwagg

        There’s the added benefit that you most definitely have perused and studied every page of that stack, unlike the typical x-stain and their wholly babble.

    • John Davis

      OH, but you’re trying to apply LOGIC and RATIONALITY…. that’s NOT allowed when you’re talking about religious “thoughts and prayers” you know.
      .

    • clay

      From a Muslim perspective, atheism isn’t a lack of belief, but a lack of action. If one performs the five pillars, one is Muslim. It’s modern Western Christianity that sees religion as belief, rather than action.

      • Reality.Bites

        From a Muslim perspective, atheism isn’t a lack of belief, but a lack of action.

        So…. atheism is a Merchant-Ivory film?

  • Tomcat

    Tell them you worship the god of Atheism.

  • jruffdc

    And look for something like this to come our way in the very near future.

    • McSwagg

      It was here in the fairly recent past. The first job application that I filled out as a teen required me to list my pastor as my first reference. They were checking to see if I was not only a believer, but one of the “right cult” of believers.

    • Bluto

      There are people who argue that the First Amendment gives us freedom of religion (as long as it’s xtian), not freedom FROM religion.

  • RoverSerton

    I wonder what happens when a US soldier says he can’t serve in Egypt because of his (non) religion? I won’t go to Egypt as a visitor since I could be arrested.

    • Todd20036

      They wouldn’t accommodate him, they’d just discharge him.

      Religious freedom only works for the god fuckers, not the rest of us

  • Mark Cross
  • peacfulseas inWA

    ” every form of atheism “. There’s more than one?

    • Tomcat

      I hold a black belt in Atheism.
      Some hold Karma Sutra Atheism.

      • andrew

        Living on earth in the Milky Way galaxy with its 100 billion stars and an estimated 40 billion earth-like planets, in a universe of at least 100 billion galaxies, how can anyone with a brain believe in these tiny little man created gods?

    • clay

      Scientific atheism
      Political atheism
      Sexual atheism
      Materialistic atheism
      Socialist atheism
      Buddhist atheism
      Chinese atheism
      Korean atheism
      Trumpist atheism

      • Craig Howell

        Ayn Rand atheism.

    • AJ Drew

      belief in a “wrong” religious belief… ?

    • J Ascher

      There’s a South Park episode set in the far future where atheism is the dominant approach to life and the cartoon shows different atheist organizations arguing over who’s atheism is more correct.

  • Goodboy

    Wow. Here I thought with that whole arab spring and getting rid of Hosni Mubarak things would improve but instead it’s just more of the same.

    • Tomcat

      Has been that way throughout history, once religion was devised.

    • MaryJOGrady

      This guy Sisi overthrew the elected Muslim Brotherhood government and instituted military dictatorship.

      • Goodboy

        Ha. It’s like George Orwells animal farm but less stable.

    • Reality.Bites

      Revolution rarely has good results.

      As of Nov. 2016 we can probably amend “rarely” to “never.”

    • Christopher Smith

      Worse.

  • Stephen Elliot Phillips

    Their god must be awfully petty and powerless that humans have to enforce his omnipotence with “thought laws”

    • olandp

      Aren’t they all?

      • Friday

        Always seems to be the different brands of that same one that pull this, actually.

    • Ross

      Amen.

  • Wynter Marie Starr

    It’s so easy to fake belief. Do they have mind probes available to suss out a person’s real thoughts? This is also a great way to lose your best and most talented people who may not be believers to other, saner countries. This is the very sort of thing that destroyed the Muslim culture to begin with. What had once been a mecca of science, art, and diversity descended into the mess we have today partly because of religious fanatics.

    • Frostbite

      yeah but what happens if they have required attendance at church, you might not believe, but you do have to waste your time going. and quizzes to see if you’re paying attention? mandatory prayer meetings? etc.

      • OdieDenCO

        punch your card or enter your pin. when you get to 666 days attendance you get a free toaster oven.

      • Wynter Marie Starr

        Still easy enough to fake until things change. Although, I certainly get your point about how fucked up it is to have to fake such things.

        • McSwagg

          It’s always about the children. If the adults are forced to fake it, the children grow up in a culture of religious submission and piety. Since they see no other “ideas”, they are easily brainwashed into true submission to the ideology.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            Agreed ,but there is a way to present stuff so they don’t believe,

          • McSwagg

            Yes, critical thinking can be taught.

          • Wynter Marie Starr

            Absolutely it can be taught. Once it is, there is no going back.

  • AJ Drew

    thought crimes. wait, not correct thoughts… wait… how does one prove a non-belief? Ah, mandatory public subjugation.

    • canoebum

      Count all the people who show up in mosque regularly. Arrest those who don’t attend. Arrest or persecute non-Muslims.

    • zhera

      Nobody expects the Egyptian inquisition!

  • Rebecca Gardner
    • Rebecca Gardner
      • McSwagg

        Remind me again of that “promise” dRumpf made to the African American community.

    • Paula

      Ben Carson….He’s your HUD secretary, brain surgeon and village idiot, all in one.
      Talk about a multitasker!

  • JT

    Religion is a psychological disease.

  • boobert

    Organized religions are the true evils of the world !

    • Karl Dubhe 2

      One of them, anyhow. 🙁

      • zhera

        All of them.

        • Karl Dubhe 2

          There are more evils than just religion.

          War, comes to mind. So does rape. Neither of which require religion.

          • zhera

            Ah yes, put that way, I agree.

          • boobert

            Wars are usually religion related !

          • Karl Dubhe 2

            Not always, and there is the argument that religion is the excuse; gold or food is the underlying reason.

            Some evils existed before religion, in addition to war and slavery, there’s also rape. I’m sure we could come up with many others too. Murder doesn’t require religion.

          • MBear

            True but religion facilitates both of those easily

          • Karl Dubhe 2

            I could also have said slavery, which is likely to have been introduced with agriculture; pre-religion. I wasn’t saying that religion isn’t evil, just that it’s not the only one. And some things have been around longer than religion has been.

            *there’s also some indication that warfare is pre-agricultural.

  • Tomcat

    Religion is exactly why we cannot have anything nice.

    • McSwagg

      You obviously haven;t toured the vatican.

      [Edit] /s (just in case it wasn’t clear)

  • The_Wretched

    Holy fvck.

  • Leo
    • Tomcat

      Wouldn’t want Putin to have any competition, now would we.

    • Goodboy

      I’m sure the Russian Press will be outraged and covering this non stop.

    • Craig Howell

      And Hair Trump goes wild with joy!

    • TuuxKabin

      Soon coming to a western nation near you.

      • andrew

        The only Western nation that suffers from this kind of fundamentalist religious nonsense is the USA.

        • MaryJOGrady

          There are some hateful Jeebusites in Australia too. Just look at the fight against marriage equality. (Thankfully, they lost.)

          • Reality.Bites

            They’re everywhere – the US just has them in large enough numbers to have power.

        • GanymedeRenard

          There’s also Brazil.

        • TuuxKabin

          Ya’ kiddin’,’ me.

      • AJ Drew

        Hey, in case no one else has alerted you, there is a post about your account hacking another account…

  • Blake J Butler

    Christmas Tree Skirt
    https://youtu.be/5g9p-Y_nBdc

  • MBear

    Your god is impotent and youre angry. We get that

  • Tomcat

    Worried that sanity might just catch on, I see.

    • MBear

      When sanity is outlawed, only outlaws will be sane

  • Sporkfighter

    My list of reasons to avoid the Middle East grows to a third page.

  • Mark Cross
    • Todd20036

      I disagree with the “OT” part.

    • liondon#iamnotatraitor

      Where would repukes eat? They’d starve to death… meaning they would lose some weight.

    • McSwagg

      Well, there goes that “supersize it” promotion.

  • JWC

    now thatis just progresive NOT

  • DisqusD37

    Insanity.

  • justmeeeee

    Don’t worry, you guys, the USA will cut off aid because of their wrong-way vote on Jerusalem, anyhow. So that might make the second party they ain’t invited to!

  • Heil Mohammad!

    • Goodboy

      Wasn’t he a big time Pedophile.

      • Karl Dubhe 2

        They all were. It was the only way to avoid STDs, then as now.

      • Kind of like Brigham Young.

        • TuuxKabin

          He should be hung.

          • OdieDenCO

            4 out of 5 wives agree

          • TuuxKabin

            Was waiting for some one to take the bait. Thank you.

  • canoebum

    Intolerance in the Age of Trump is growing around the world. If you listen carefully, you can hear the Orcs gathering for attack.

  • Karl Dubhe 2

    What would the penalty be? A talk with the local religious representatives? Prison? Execution?

    Strange how that’s not a feature of the story. 🙁

    • Bad Tom

      Closer to execution than a friendly talk.

    • Halou

      Probably a fine, for now at least to test for international backlash, and to introduce the real penalties later once the news cycle has moved on.

      • Karl Dubhe 2

        One would think that you’d rely on your god to impose any punishment, after all, he’s the victim right?

    • McSwagg

      Well, there is the precedent of “three strikes” in legal penalties.

  • Rebecca Gardner
    • Strepsi

      wonder where the “states right” crowd will stand on THIS one?

      • McSwagg

        LOL!
        California isn’t a southern redneck state. State’s Rights doesn’t apply to them, naturally.

  • Bad Tom

    Thought Crime / Sex Crime
    1984 comes to Egypt
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGpncSY3wm0

  • Adam Stevens

    If you need the force of law to accomplish this, you have ZERO faith in the god you say you do.

    As usual, the religious continue plowing full steam ahead into cowardice and hypocrisy instead of truth and light.

    • MBear

      Religion is NOT the path to truth. Completely the opposite

  • No More GOP.

    A shithole country about to mire itself even deeper in the fecal trough. You’d think it was the 11th century, not the 21st. And don’t think for a minute it couldn’t happen here. The religious nuts in our country are salivating at the idea of making this happen here.

    • McSwagg

      When you consider that islam is in its 13th century of existence, it kind of makes sense.

  • marachne
  • andrew

    Thank you Egypt for reminding me that my country, the USA, is not the most backward religious nation on the planet.

    • MBear

      Pretty damn close tho. 😉

    • houstonray

      But well on its way….

    • Sporkfighter

      On the same route, just waiting for the next bus to hell.

  • Bambino

    A country laden with religious fanatics that constantly incite terror attack against their own country as well as foreign countries is having problem with none believers?

    • Clive Johnson

      The conservative authoritarians are masters are scapegoating. Indeed it’s one of the primary psychological scripts they run on.

  • Gregory In Seattle

    The American Talibangelicals have been trying to do this here for years.

  • Max_1
    • Paula

      Trump was thinking “Oh he’s not talking about me.” “I do good things, great things, tremendous things.”

    • DoctorDJ

      When tf has tDump’s words ever done any healing?

      • J Ascher

        Only for the well-heeled.

      • Reality.Bites

        Insomnia is a very serious condition. 😉

        And all across the United States people are throwing away their glasses.

  • margaretpoa

    If your belief is so tenuous that you want atheism outlawed, then that sounds more like your faith is the problem, not my lack of it.

  • coram nobis

    Incidentally, these lovely people are an ally whom the U.S. supports to the tune of at least $1 billion or so a year, military aid &c.

    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33003.pdf

    Your tax dollars in action, folks.

    • Veylon

      Trump threatened to pull the plug on that aid after they sponsored the UN motion to condemn the embassy move to Jerusalem.

  • MBear

    Just to be clear: atheism is NOT a “belief” or disbelief. It is the *knowledge* that your god is fake, your religion false, your existence pointless, and your ramblings psychotic

    • leastyebejudged

      Maybe we should acquiesce to the constant insistence that atheism IS a religion.

      If they want it to be considered one, then lets simply make it one, and DEMAND the same privilege and protections every other religion is entitled to.

      It would solve so many problems.

      • Gianni

        In the legal sense, that is true.

  • Chris H.
  • orion dumptee

    hmmm, mabe he can STICK the giza pyramid up his……

    • coram nobis

      … Aswan?

      • McSwagg

        Damn!
        Y’all are twisted! I like it.

      • Gianni

        You have a quick wit. I really like that. 🙂

        • Reality.Bites

          Coram is without peer in one-liners.

          And apparently one-worders too.

          • Gianni

            So true. I always enjoy reading his comments.

      • orion dumptee

        ha ha ha ha

        • coram nobis

          Yes, dam it.

  • JackNasty

    For thousands of years, Egypt was a warm, sophisticated, welcoming place to visit. The recent takeover by militant religious fundamentalists has changed that. It’s a sad state of affairs.

  • Chris Baker

    It’s silly because you can’t force someone into a particular religious belief. I can say “yes, the FSM is the one true diety.” But that doesn’t mean I actually believe it. I suppose the real reason for these laws is so that no one will learn that something such as atheism actually exists. But these laws come about 100 years too late.

    • Friday

      Authoritarians care more about conformity than everyone actually believing things. If people who are different pretend they believe, it’s just as good for gaining or maintaining control. Look at Drumph: even Fundies can’t be dumb enough to believe their ‘Anointed One’ does anything but lie about his ‘faith,’ but he promises the *power.* Not too different from the lower end, either, …the masses can go to their Hell for all they care, as long as they obey and don’t question the authorities meaningfully…. as long as they can claim ‘nonbelievers’ should be not-listened to, and as long as they can *call* anyone inconvenient a criminalized ‘outsider.’ Whether that ‘accusation’ is even true or not.

  • GanymedeRenard

    Atheism banned? Theo-fascism is a thing, East and West, North and South.

  • Randy503

    Crush every form of atheism? Apparently, these idiots think it’s just another “belief system.”

  • Pizza009

    Weren’t evangelicals meeting with this guy a couple months ago?

    • GanymedeRenard

      Yes. And if I remember correctly, Tony Perkkkins was among them. Ugh!

  • supasugacrisp

    Well that sucks! Those poor people.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Yes, because apparently an all powerful God needs to have his ego stroked regularly to ensure his omnipotence. Fake Jesus, I would ask how they can’t see the irony of it all, but that would first require them to have critical thinking skills; but such skills can’t exist where belief in a sky daddy is present. What a lamentable and disturbing turn of events. No doubt the GOP and the Teabangelicals are looking longingly with jealousy.

    • McSwagg

      In islam, that ego stroking must occur five times a day in prayer. Islam is more a religion of “action” than “belief”. In order to prove you aren’t an atheist, you must “perform” the prescribed actions of the faith (submission). It wasn’t too long ago that western cultures had laws mandating attendance at church and other prescribed actions of faith.

  • liondon#iamnotatraitor

    The ability to think and feel independently..scares the shit out of the fundies anywhere you are.

  • Renfield

    Will they close my First Church of Atheism?

  • leastyebejudged

    Religion of peace.

  • JCF

    Thanks for making THEISM that much more difficult for the rest of us theists, you fucking asshole!

    {“Even Allah Hates You”}

  • Gianni

    I want to hear from Tony Perkins, Franklin Graham, that Catholic goofball, etc. They must be thinking of the orgasms they would have if they could make that happen here and outlaw us at the same time.

  • Natty Enquirer

    That’s some powerful god you’ve got there who makes you go outlawing unbelievers instead of finishing them off himself.

  • Matt

    Coming soon to an America near you…

    Religion has destroyed more lives than literally anything else that’s ever existed on Earth.

  • DaveMiller135

    So science, e.g. climate change or evolution, has to prove its case every single day, but the invisible sky friend, who communicates through the weather, because he can’t get the hang of cellphones or computers, gets a free pass? That is some racket.

    • MBear

      More proof the religious are uncivilised and violent

  • Reality.Bites

    OT: The Rev. Brent Hawkes, who in January 2001 performed the first legal same-sex marriages in the world, is retiring today.

    https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/12/25/brent-hawkes-pastor-who-officiated-canadas-first-legal-gay-marriages-retires.html

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      I love how Rev. Hawkes used the law to circumvent the ban on SSM.

      I also found a link on that page to this unrelated story:
      TSA agents are apparently still confused as to whether the District of Columbia is in the U.S.
      https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/12/23/tsa-agents-are-apparently-still-confused-as-to-whether-the-district-of-columbia-is-in-the-us-hint-it-is.html

      • Reality.Bites

        Well actually he didn’t. There was never a ban on marriage in Canada, there was simply the assumption, based on a dubious court ruling in England in the 1800s that had nothing to do with us.

        It was a ruling on bigamy, in which the court ruled that the definition of marriage was the union of one man and one woman, for life. The emphasis was on the one-to-one – they certainly never tried to use that common law ruling to forbid divorce.

        He challenged the law on the religious grounds that same-sex marriage was fine in his religioun, and the court correctly ruled that freedom of religion does NOT give him the right to override the laws of the country, because then anyone can claim a religious belief in any illegal behaviour. He lost his challenge.

        However, his case was grouped with a number of couples who were (reluctantly) turned down at city call for a license. They correctly challenged the ban on the grounds of sexual orientation and won.

        And as a result, there was never any legal reason not to register the marriages and that’s what happened.

  • Henry Auvil

    In related news, the GOP is set to criminalize sanity.

    • Gianni

      I’m surprised they can remember what that is.

      • Henry Auvil

        It’s all relative, depending on which media sites you use to get your news.

  • Richard B

    For many reasons, I am scratching Egypt off of my bucket list of interesting places to travel in this lifetime. Egypt is yet another example of how crazed people’s devotion to please angry invisible sky fairies no one ever sees is ruining the world.

  • Dunkerblinker

    And its christians who claim to be persecuted…

  • i applaud this. it will only make atheism more popular in Egypt with the young. it’s gone from being a fairly boring academic topic to Dangerous, and kids love that. and you know the theocrats know they are losing when they start making laws like this. desperation much? stay safe and proud, egyptian nonbelievers. the world is watching.

    • Reality.Bites

      Um, this isn’t 1960s kids with long hair. This is nothing close to a free country where kids can indulge in trying on rebellious attitudes.

      The theocrats are NOT losing in Egypt and there is nothing good about this. It will, as all religious repression does, lead to people dying. And then to more people dying. And still more people dying.

      • it’s the same thing here. the older demographic is disproportionate, in terms of economic, social, and political influence. young people all over the world are lazy and stupid, and their govts hate them and want to keep them that way.

        but the invisible fairy neither of us believe in gave us this Gift: the Interwebs. admit to us all the number of times, before its inception, that you deliberately read a story about an Egyptian atheist. i have a couple of degrees in religion, so my example doesn’t count. that said, i’m fairly sure that Egyptian atheists are enjoying an unbridled time of exposure and awareness the likes of which have never been seen before.

        tyranny always gets nasty, before it fails.

  • Dramakid

    Do you hear laughter, Pharaoh?

  • Al

    I can’t figure out how you force anyone, through law, to believe something they don’t. Maybe I’m over thinking this.

  • netxtown

    cheez and fuckin rice. now we got belief police. well, i believe the main dude fly-daddy ought to swoop down and kick your ass. is that enough to not be one of them thar ‘atheists’ ?….

  • KDK DSAPDX

    Hey! Maybe we can turn this into a fund-raiser thing! Maybe we can get Egypt to accept some kind of donation to the NYC Gay Men’s Health Clinic or ANY charity if we have them “convict” us in absentia. I would TOTALLY love to have them convict me in absentia for being an atheist, and then they can have me banned from ever visiting their ass-backwards country by sending a donation to our charity of choice. Screw THEM! I won’t spend a cent on those theocratic scumbags, but they can pay to keep ME out of their country, those A-holes! 😛

  • OCW

    I am skeptical — cannot verify this from any other source, and I have been keeping an eye out

  • The Professor

    If the Tony Perkins crowd had their way…

  • Cranky Squirrel

    They can make the colossally stupid move of criminalizing disbelief, but that still doesn’t make god exist. God is always just pretend, even when people are forced by law to claim otherwise.

  • SDG

    And they receive HOW much in US aid every year?

    • Karl Dubhe 2

      The aid they receive is to ensure they keep the peace treaty with Israel.

      It’s mostly weapons, they could get by without it.

      • JD

        ahh…so its not relief, it’s business.

  • Girlgoon

    I’m planning on altering my DNA and regressing back a few million years.

    Like the Mathew McConeghey commercial “in life sometimes if you wanna go forward you have to go back”.

  • motordog

    Would I be in trouble if I said I worshiped Osiris and Isis? Loki? Xenu? How about the FSM? Are agnostics illegal too? Perhaps I’ll just stay out of Egypt…(like I ever go anywhere anyway).

  • Franciscan

    Militant atheist that I am, Mr. El Sisi, I am going to disbelieve in your Pyramids and your Sphinx (I shall adopt a new belief in space aliens for the foreseeable future) and withhold my tourist dollars until you resign or are removed. And if I had the power I’d see your billions in military assistance cut off as well.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Criminalize disbelief??
    Unbelievable!!

  • Those idjits in Egypt seem to believe that Atheism “makes people gay.” (See the coverage at PinkNews – http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/12/24/egypt-launches-bid-to-ban-atheism-over-fears-it-turns-people-gay/

    The fact is that it is Intolerant Religions (including many forms of Islam, Christianity and Judaism) do turn many gay people into atheists. If a religion teaches that its god hates gays, it only makes sense for gays to reject that religion as false. Because that religion fails the litmus test (while the following is a Christian source, it explains WHY these intolerant religions are false: Matthew 7:15-20).

    Not all religions are like that – and there are varieties of Judaism, Christianity and Islam that are civilized – but it’s the evil in much religion that spawns atheism.

  • Ogre Magi

    HE CAN GO JACK-OFF A JERBOA