FLORIDA: GOP Responds To Pulse Massacre With Two Dozen NRA Bills Allowing Guns Almost Everywhere

The Orlando Sentinel reports:

Florida Republicans are more determined than ever to pass bills expanding gun rights in the wake of the deadly Pulse nightclub and Fort Lauderdale airport shootings. They say law-abiding gun owners should be allowed to take their weapons to airports, government meetings and state universities, and would be in a better position to protect themselves and others if a mass shooting should erupt in one of those places.

“Anytime you create a gun-free zone, you essentially are creating a safe haven for mass shooters and the criminal element and you put law-abiding people at a disadvantage,” said Marion Hammer, who has lobbied for the National Rifle Association for more than 42 years.

There are about two dozen gun-related bills filed ahead of next month’s 60-day legislative session and the vast majority would expand gun rights so they can be carried, as one opponent said, “pretty much everywhere.”

“If it’s a reaction to the Pulse shooting and Fort Lauderdale, it’s a very odd reaction,” said Patti Brigham, a vice president at the League of Women Voters of Florida and co-chair of the Florida Coalition to Prevent Gun Violence. “It’s like bad gun bills on steroids.”

  • Jonty Coppersmith

    Does “pretty much everywhere” include the capitol building in Tallahassee?

    • Jonty Coppersmith

      These fuckers are insane just like the US congress where they have voted to allow mentally ill people to legally buy guns.

      • clay

        Not just mentally ill people, but mentally ill people who don’t have money.

    • TampaDink

      Based on the 3rd item on the list posted above, it would appear that the answer to your question is a resounding YES.

    • BudClark

      Of COURSE not … nor at the NRA National Convention (!).

  • Boreal

    This kind of crazy is the main reason I wouldn’t live in FL.

    • Vista-Cruiser

      This is spreading all over the United States, thanks to Democrats who just didn’t bother to vote.

    • McSwagg

      Don’t visit Texas then. All of this is already on the books there. Road rage incidents and accidents often escalate into shootings.

  • Tawreos

    Man, I must be amazing, I have survived so many years without having a gun every second of the day. I must be a super hero or immortal or something.

    • Octoberfurst

      Good lord you must have balls of steel! How have you managed to survive so long without carrying a gun on your hip 24-7???? It ain’t normal I tells ya!

    • ChrisMorley

      Come to Britain; 99% of our 64m population are immortal gunless superheroes, you’ll feel so at home.

    • Ginger Snap

      Me too.

  • Gerontophile

    Nice touch with the location in the article heading.

  • PickyPecker
    • JT

      Murka.

      • Andymac3

        MFAGAFWO – Make Fantasy America Great Again For Whites Only

  • PickyPecker
  • Boreal
  • Chris Gardner

    Just wait until a black or hispanic person with a bigass gun shows up to one of the Republican-dominated legislative meetings and watch how Republicans will change their tune very quickly. When they talk about expanding gun liberties, they really mean only for white people.

    • clay

      “You’re a person?”

    • Ninja0980

      It’s why got St. Ronnie to push for tougher gun laws in California.
      White folks carrying guns was okay but the black panthers doing it was a no no.

    • unsavedheathen

      Don’t worry. Firearms will continue to be banned in the state legislature and in the offices of legislators.

      • TampaDink

        Not if that 3rd line item above goes through.

    • Skokieguy [Larry]

      No, they’ll simply be shot dead and the shooter won’t be charged because of stand your ground laws. “I felt threatened…”

    • BudClark

      There was a campaign awhile back for Black Americans to join the NRS. They should have carried on with it. I haven’t heard about it in awhile … it must have fizzled.

    • Harley

      The NRA and the KKK were both founded the same year, after the civil war, in the south. “Black people are only safe when white men are disarmed”. Samuel L Jackson in The Hateful Eight.

    • McSwagg

      Don’t be silly. Black and brown people will not be allowed to carry due to their criminal records. It’s an additional benefit of selective profiling.
      /s

  • AW

    And the gun manufacturers have never been happier!

  • Boreal
    • JT

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    • greenmanTN

      Seriously. You are carrying a means to cause death from a distance, so I’m only as safe as you are sane, and you’ve already have proven yourself to a little hinky by thinking you need a fucking gun to buy a cup of coffee. I do not find that reassuring.

  • sword

    A guy pulls out a gun in a WalMart and starts shooting. Every soccer mom pulls pulls a pistol out of her purse and begins to shoot at whoever she thinks is the shooter. Soon, several hundred people are shooting at each other? At least the dead preserved their 2nd Amendment rights.
    As long as it is a red state and open carry is allowed in the state capitol, I am all for it (snark).

    • NancyP

      Look, some of us still live in red states.

      • Vista-Cruiser

        And a lot of us live in states that used to be blue, but suddenly turned red last November.

    • McSwagg

      When the police show up, they can’t tell the “good guys*” from the “bad guys*” so they just shoot everybody.

      *non-gender specific use of “guys”

  • Rebecca Gardner

    “Holds business owners who ban guns from their property liable for injuries suffered by a concealed weapon permit holder who is attacked.”

    Do they not see their own hypocrisy?
    IT’S THEIR BUSINESS THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT!!!! When it comes to denying public accommodation to the LGBT community.

    What if I’m a Buddhist and my deeply held religious belief of nonviolence makes me establish a rule of no weapons on premises of my business?

    The 1st Precept ~ “To kill a living being means to inflict upon him the greatest of all sufferings or evils, for inasmuch as life is the greatest good, so the greatest suffering, or the greatest evil, that can befall one, is to be deprived of life.” ~ Sangharakshita, The Ten Pillars of Buddhism.

    • David Walker

      C’mon now, Becca. You know better ‘n that. Yer quotin’ some ferriner belief, not the firmly held religious beliefs held by ev’ry true ‘Murkan if they’re any kinda ‘Murkan at all. Yer jes makin’ it more compulcated than it needs to be. Jeebus wants us to have guns with us at all times to pertect oursel’s and our kids from ferrin-quotin’ stuff like that like what you jes did. I mean, whut fer hell kinda stuff is that? Ten Pillars? Ain’t no ten nuthin’ ‘cept the Ten Commandments, which oughta be in ever’ court room in ‘Murka. Next yer gonna tell me that ever’body’s eekul when we all know Jeebus hates fags and pro’ly ain’t to fond ’bout them colored people, neither.

    • Veylon

      I raised an eyebrow at that one as well. I expect it to disappear once the business community has raised enough money or racket to make the politicians change tack.

  • clay

    Holds business owners who ban guns from their property liable for injuries suffered by a concealed weapon permit holder who is attacked– and can’t get their weapon out fast enough?

    Places the burden of proof on the prosecution, as if presumption of innocence isn’t enough?

  • Boreal
  • AtticusP
    • NancyP

      They didn’t remove the most obnoxious part, the Panhandle.
      Great image.

      • McSwagg

        I never understood why they gave that part of lower Alabama to ?Florida.

  • Joe

    This country has gone mad. Sigh.

  • Halou

    Why not just disband the police force and instead rely on citizen vigilantes / for-profit privateers do the job of enforcing laws? Well, enforcing laws only on behalf of those citizens who have paid their protection money, of course.

    • JW Swift

      Don’t give them any ideas…

  • another_steve

    We all understand the NRA’s motivation here: money. Sell more guns. Sell more ammunition.

    That said, I’m not a “disarm the law-abiding” advocate. The trick, the devil in this whole thing, is how to ensure that only sane and law-abiding people are allowed to own and carry guns.

    • Ah, but here’s the real scam, Steve: The NRA-GOP want to ensure that the crazies and criminals have lots of guns…so that the terrified law-abiding folks feel the need to own more guns and more powerful weaponry. Weapons which of course find their ways into the hands of the crazies and criminals, which prompts another round of gun-buying.

      It’s a positive-reinforcement cycle that generates murders and immoral profit.

      • another_steve

        Agree. With Republicans in control of Congress, we’ll never have sane and reasonable gun control law.

      • NancyP

        We need to get the crazies to have a grudge against NRA officials. Wayne LaPierre schtupps little boys? It must be true, I heard it somewhere.

    • JWC

      OR outlaw guns totally

      • another_steve

        Will never happen. Plus, 10 or 15 years from now, we’ll all own the successor to today’s 3-D printers.

        We’ll all be able to manufacture usable firearms, in our homes.

        • Which is part of why I think much of the focus on sensible gun control ought to be on the ammo.

          Can’t make that on a 3d printer.

          • another_steve

            In 20 years…wanna bet?

          • Casings and bullets, maybe. But how many people can manufacture their own primers & smokeless powder?

          • another_steve

            I’m guessing that with a few clicks and my credit card at my side, I can order all of that online today.

          • McSwagg

            All that has been available long before the internet. I knew many “self loaders” decades ago.

        • JWC

          ah the negative power of a strong Lobby a total blight on US Politics

        • JWC

          Another reason why I prefer Canada

          • another_steve

            JWC: Let’s do a trade — your Prime Minister for our President.

            What do ya say?

          • JWC

            Tell you what you can have both

        • Veylon

          So there’s basically a time limit before there’s no point in buying a premade gun? No wonder the manufacturers are in a hurry to cash in.

        • BobSF_94117

          In 10 or 15 years, we’ll all be scratching the dirt looking for acorns to survive.

          • another_steve

            Oh stop it, Bob!

            The human race has survived worse than Donald Trump.

            We’re a very resilient species.

          • BobSF_94117

            OK, some of us will be scratching for acorns and others of us will be rummaging through the ruins of liquor stores for hidden bottles of gin.

            πŸ™‚

        • Kruhn

          Actually, that’s about the only gun control the NRA supports. No 3-D printer guns for you! No siree, Bob!

          • another_steve

            Interesting point you raise there. The potential loss of revenue to the gun industry.

            I bet they’re currently working on strategies re how to deal with that.

  • AtticusP

    Great. Now every trip to Florida becomes a potential shootout at the OK corral reenactment.

    As if the alligators, snakes and flying cockroaches a.k.a. palmetto bugs weren’t enough to keep me away already.

    • McSwagg

      Don’t forget the Zika. Florida and Texas already have the Zika. In fact, it seems to be getting more and more difficult to distinguish between the two states.

  • Ninja0980

    Gee, letting people bring their guns into the courthouse, no security issues there.

    • Halou

      Can the person standing trial bring their guns with them as well? Or their friends / relatives who are also going to be present in curiously large numbers??

      • Octoberfurst

        Well that is the obvious question isn’t it? At a murder trial should the relatives of the victim be allowed to have guns in the courtroom? How about the defendants family? Can they not see how things could go horribly, horribly wrong?

        • David Walker

          I don’t think it matters. It’s equal justice under law…you are equally allowed to shoot them as they are you. See, it all kinda balances out. They won’t shoot you or the jury or the judge because everybody’s packin’. How glorious is that? /s

          • JW Swift

            Yeah, because the threat of mutually-assured destruction made that whole Cold War thing work so well. Maybe they think individuals will follow suit, ir something.

      • bzrd

        look up Marin County courthouse incident on wikipedia
        will answer many questions

  • Hunter M

    If 20 dead kids at Sandy Hook didn’t change anything, there was no way this was. It’s sad, but the GOP is owned by the NRA.

  • It’s the racism.

    White person carrying gun? Presumed to be a ‘good guy’ up until the moment he starts the mass killing.

    Person-of-color? Presumed to be in possession of hidden gun, may be shot dead based on nothing but racist fear, and even if gun is found to be present and lawfully carried…oh well, “He was making a furtive movement” or “He was reaching toward his waistband.”

    • Bad Tom

      I was once accused by police of making a furtive glance.

      The cops followed me around for half an hour. Even though I am a faggot, I was still protected by the awesome power of being white.

      Eventually, they figured out I was committing heinous photography of the scenery, and since that isn’t in fact illegal, they left me alone.

  • JWC

    GOP FLA get your collective heads out of your collective asses and see/listen to what you are saying Look at statistic of Australia Britian and Canada Just because your constitution guarantees second ammendment right thats what it is, an ammendment, written at a time that you ancestor had a real need for guns It was for procuring food and protection from wild animals and hostiles none of which exists today. A gun is NOT and extention of your penis DUMB ASSES

    • Tor

      The Second Amendment protects single shot muskets and long-rifles.

      • Halou

        You should see what some of the nuttier nuts say about it. Apparently the Second Amendment guarantees the rights of citizens to possess armaments to match that of the government, when asked to clarify they said they absolutely agree that private citizens should have the right to possess battle tanks, warships, bomber aircraft and missile systems. It’s bat-shit insane!

        • Octoberfurst

          I heard that moron David Barton say that exact same thing. I saw a clip where he was telling Glenn Beck that the 2nd Amendment means that any weapon the US government has a citizen has the right to own. And he mentioned tanks and mortars and such. Glenn just sat there nodding his empty head in agreement. It was jaw-dropping! So my neighbor should be able to own a bazooka? How about build a nuke? Yeah I can’t see any problems with that!

      • Mb

        The second amendment also contains the words “well regulated.”

        • Halou

          The right to bear arms as part of a well regulated militia.

          Heaven forbid if ever a group of Muslims decide to do that.

        • Gianni

          Never could figure out how or why the Supremes ignored that particular phrase in the amendment when deciding @nd Amendment issues. An armed citizenry is not well-regulated and cannot be well-regulated. We have paid police forces, a National Guard under government control, and a standing military that are all well-regulated. A haphazardly armed citizenry in the third most populous nation on the planet is just asking for the kind of murderous horrors we keep inflicting on ourselves. Makes no sense from a safety standpoint.

          • Halou

            If a foreign army invades America all the sensible citizens would flee to safety, but at the same time all the fanatical gun-fuckers across the country will descend upon the invaders all haphazardly, in all the confusion it will be they, not the enemy, who will cause the most death and destruction.

          • Gianni

            You’re assuming that our military and national guard have somehow been eliminated.

          • Halou

            In the time it takes the armed forces to gather and arrange themselves for battle and develop an effective plan of action all the untrained fanatics would have already piled in and/or gone to battle against any of the ‘cowardly traitor’ trying to stop them.

            Though you are right, America’s navy and air force mean there is no chance at all of a foreign army is able to land on American soil.

          • Kruhn

            Actually the Heller decision gave government the right to regulate guns, but of course, the gun nuts never read or consider that part of the decision.

        • Lars Littlefield

          They take Geritol They’re well-regulated.

        • Vista-Cruiser

          It did, until Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy, Roberts, and Alito decided that those words were merely surplus, and not part of the second amendment.

          Conservatives strictly read the text of the Constitution, except when they don’t…

      • JWC

        a gun is a gun is a gun is a gun

        • Lars Littlefield

          Dead pigeons on the grass. Alas. Dead pigeons on the grass.

      • Michael White

        well regulated “militias” not santrom dripping from trump

      • Gianni

        The Second Amendment when written was necessary simply because the country had no standing army. The protection of the country depended on an armed citizenry called upon when needed. They then became the regulated militia for however long their service was needed. We were a frontier nation and everyone had a gun of one kind or another so when called up, they were literally ready to go. Times and conditions have changed. Armed citizens are no longer called up to stand in defense of the country. We pay citizens now (and arm them) to belong to the “well-regulated militias” under government control. Unfortunately, Americans treasure their guns and the Supreme Court has interpreted the Second Amendment to give them the right to gun ownership.

        • Tor

          Another version of the story says that it was added to keep the Southern states in the Union. It gave them the ability to form armed posses to hunt and capture escaped slaves.

          • Gianni

            That wouldn’t be possible because the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution was adopted in 1791.

          • Dean

            The first slaves were sold in the colonies in 1609, so slavery was well-established by 1791.

          • Gianni

            No disagreement about the existence of slavery.

  • Ninja0980

    No surprise Marion Hammer has her fingerprints all over these laws.
    She is a longtime NRA lobbyist and was its former President.
    If you want to know who was behind the Stand Your Ground law and the law that forbid doctors from talking about suicide risks with guns, there is your answer.
    I will bet most of these laws will get passed because no one will dare cross this woman lest they want to lose their careers.
    It is absurd how one person can have so much power over these legislators but she does.
    And the rest of us will be paying for it with an increase in gun violence in Florida.

  • CanuckDon

    Does that mean licensed handgun owners can openly carry while wandering the grounds at Disney? What about Goofy and Minnie Mouse? Can they openly carry too while working? Why would anyone want to take their family there?

  • OK, old fat white guys. um, well, i won’t go there. have some gunz. play with them. please try not to shoot anyone but yourself. sigh. once upon a time there were rich hunting grounds in this country, but your kind made all that disappear.

    you know, we could’ve fixed this. but you’re so gawddamn selfish. you nazis and wackjobs and the rest of you. dammit, i grew up with you, i know who you are. stand down, Idiot. this is not the right direction and bannon is Stoopid. and stupid.

  • justme

    So will guns be allowed in the state house and govt offices…?

    • Octoberfurst

      That’s my question If not they are screaming hypocrites.

    • Skokieguy [Larry]

      And the RNC next convention?

    • David Walker

      Line #3 specifically states “Allow concealed weapons permit holders to carry guns at any legislative meeting or committee meeting.” Line #5 is specific about “…at county and municipal government meetings.” It’s not so much that the south will rise again as the law of the west (shoot now and ask questions later) shall prevail.

  • Mark NΓ©e Fuzz

    Great idea! Guns a-blazing in crowded and often dark spaces with no one knowing who’s a good guy and who’s not.

  • chris james

    guns on campus? so much for enrollment at Florida colleges and universities, I would look elsewhere

  • Mark NΓ©e Fuzz

    Open carry at Mar-A-Lago?

    • Halou

      It is the $200,000 entry fee that’s going to be the real killer.

      I wonder if the Japanese government had to pay the fee for Shinzo Abe’s short time there.

      • Earl

        That should have been a question at one of those pressers.

      • djcoastermark

        It is just added to the tab upon checkout. * Detailed bill upon request. Please allow 6-8 weeks for delivery. ** Does not include proccessing, resort fees, shipping and handling charges of $10 per page.

        • Paula

          Abe put one the bath robes and all the little soaps and shampoos in his suitcase.

          • djcoastermark

            Giggle. Soaps and shampoos, ok. Bathrobe ? Uh oh , now your in trouble buster.

      • Hunter M

        He was the Bawbag’s guest. Japan didn’t pay.

        • ChrisMorley

          Points for remembering Scots bawbag.

          • Hunter M

            It’s my word of the day for the next four years or his impeachment, whichever comes first.

        • Kruhn

          Actually, the Japanese ethics officials insisted they would pay for the stay at Mar-A-Lago as it violated Japanese ethics rules.

          • Hunter M

            Thanks for the info. I wasn’t aware of that part.

  • LovesIrony

    you didn’t care about us before the massacre, you don’t care about us after the massacre except as an excuse to further your gun in every hand nonsense.

  • Lars Littlefield

    Well, the NRA is slipping. I didn’t see one bill allowing gun owners to carry in a court of law. I wonder why?

  • Ninja0980

    But no laws for statewide LGBT protections in housing, employment etc.
    The you’re not being murdered so accept other forms of discrimination will be their logic as to why.

    • McSwagg

      “… you’re not being murdered …”

      So, the Pulse Orlando incident is considered to be a mugging? WTF!!!!

  • KQCA

    Imagine being in a theater and running for your life from a gunman when a hail of crossfire breaks out across the room from a bunch of unskilled and panicked idiots.

    • Lars Littlefield

      It’s my biggest dream. Definitely on my bucket list. /s

    • Halou

      Or in a nightclub where there is no attacker, but in all the noise and commotion some wannabe hero thinks they hear a gunshot from somewhere and does their best to protect people.

      Or maybe they’re just out of themselves on drugs.
      https://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/lsd.png?w=700&h=444

    • djcoastermark

      In the dark no less.

    • Gianni

      And no one actually knowing who the actual gunman is. Plus, when the police get there, everyone has a gun blazing. All would be shooting at the nearest person firing a gun. Piece of cake to figure out who did what first, not to mention trying to calm the panicked, crazed crowd of shooters all fearing for their or their loved ones’ lives.

      • Octoberfurst

        I give your comment 1,000 thumbs up! But I don’t think the gun nuts ever thought about such a scenario. In their little world the plucky hero would just quickly shoot the gun out of the bad guys hands. Even in a pitch dark theater.

        • Gianni

          Right, happy ending just like in a movie. Frankly, I do believe that it is a movie ending they see in their minds when they concoct their gun laws.

      • KQCA

        Yep, you’re right. But then again, you’re using logic, rationale, and common sense. That’s an unfair advantage over this president and his administration.

      • Tomcat

        Cops are NOT going into that theater knowing there are guns a plenty. They will wait until only one is left to come out.

        • Gianni

          Good point.

      • Vista-Cruiser

        Republicans have an easy way of sorting this out. White people with guns are “the good guys”, while darker people with guns are “the terrorists”.

  • Earl

    That’ll do wonders for the tourism industry.

    • Richard, another Canuck

      I was just going to say, cross Florida off the list for me to visit, and I won’t be the only Canadian/Canadienne to feel this way.

      • Earl

        How many Europeans are going to want to go? And the first time a mass shooting happens at a cruise ship dock? That’ll be the end of that industry.

      • atchitamo

        First thought I had was, “there goes my Disney trip.” I was heading down this year for my once every 5 year visit to see the Magic Kingdom. Guess that’s a tradition that has hit end-of-life.

        • Disney is not going to allow guns in the parks. Even now you have to go through security

          • Kruhn

            If that law is passed, Disney would be liable for any person with a concealed carry permit carrier hurt or killed in a gun attack. Plus some gun nut could sue Disney and you know the NRA would love to take that case. And the funny thing, you can’t curse at Disney World.

          • And they do not sell gum in any of the parks…

          • Kruhn

            But the Second Amendment has become America’s true religion, so duck and cover when in Disney World.

  • MBear

    Someone should tap into all the surveillance cams in the state ao the rest of the world can watch this episode of The Purge

  • OdieDenCO

    cause an octogenarian with weak eyes and a palsy should be packing heat.

    • canoebum

      They let blind people and the mentally ill buy guns, so why not?

    • Natty Enquirer

      Adam Lanza was 20 years old with good eyes and no palsy when he mowed down 20 elementary school children.

  • grada3784

    I’m utterly surprised. Only 2 dozen. I expected a lot more than that.

  • T-Batwoman

    Queer people need to start open carrying! We must not be bullied by the gun lust of the right.

    • i don’t need a gun.

      • TampaDink

        I don’t want OR need a gun.

        • David Milley

          I don’t need Florida.

          • MBear

            ^^^!!!!

          • TampaDink

            Some of us don’t have a whole lot of options at this point in life.

          • David Milley

            I know — Florida has its ways of keeping people close. I say it only after having grown up down in central Florida — the landscape has many charms, but it was _not_ a good place to grow up queer in the ’60s.

          • TampaDink

            A small town in rural Jackson County, up in the panhandle was far from ideal during the 70’s.

          • How many places were good places to grow up anything but straight in the 60s?

          • David Milley

            Good point. Guess it’s just the association with my own story that makes me cynical about Florida today. When I learned that they’d razed the junior high school I’d attended, my first thought was, “just like in Carrie!”

      • a couple of you upvoted me, so i think you get it.

        • TampaDink

          I do.

  • Paula

    Yes, dear republican mofos, just remember the gun rule goes for everyone.

  • JaniceInToronto

    What could go wrong? Everyone would be protected from everyone else.
    FREEDOM!!!

    Is that what they’re trying to say? ‘Cause it’s insane

    • Vista-Cruiser

      Yes, and that’s Republican doctrine.

  • yes b’y
    • Tomcat

      Gunnuts all over America are dripping wet right now after that clip.

  • ETownCanuck

    Why is common sense such a scarcity in the U.S.?

    • Tomcat

      Too many republicans for that.

      • NowAnAgnostic

        I would add churches to that also. Of course, repugnicans usually equals churches.

        • Tomcat

          Haven’t you heard, republicans own patriotism, the American flag and god. At least they act that way.

    • Friday

      Cause the Right ‘redefined’ “Common Sense” to mean “Irrational bigotries I Don’t Want To Learn Better Than Because Real Murican!”

  • Goggles

    The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is dozens of drunk, terrified good guys with guns firing wildly in a darkened club interior.

  • NancyP

    There should be an outcry for a law allowing guns into state legislative chambers. After all, if it is good enough for cities and counties, it should be good enough for the state.

    • Tomcat

      Obviously SCOTUS believes in gun control. They don’t allow them ANYWHERE near the SC. Ain’t that just special.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    In other gun related news, something good.

    Appeals Court Rules that Second Amendment Doesn’t Protect Right to Assault Weapons
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/02/21/appeals_court_holds_second_amendment_doesn_t_protect_assault_weapons.html

    • Vista-Cruiser

      Any day now, Trump’s new “Justice” Department will appeal this decision.

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    And if someone is injured or killed in the crossfire I have complete confidence that the FL GOP would step in and do the right thing … for the NRA. Seriously, first person injured because of this should sue the fucking state.

  • TampaDink

    Today is the 2nd day of hearings in a case from 2014 when a retired cop shot & killed a young father in a movie theater in the county just north of mine because he wouldn’t stop texting….during the fucking previews! It disgusts me that he might get away with murder because he felt threatened when his victim, in response to verbal harassment threatened him…by throwing popcorn at him. He was accompanied that day by his wife & adult son…who is also a cop. The victim’s wife was present at this matinee murder.
    http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/stand-your-ground-hearing-in-pasco-theater-shooting-will-take-place-in-2017/2283544

    • Tomcat

      I have been following the case files from the court clerk there, have it bookmarked on my computer. Thought they might be just waiting for him to die of old age so he could not get convicted. Sure dragged it out a long time.

      • TampaDink

        It really seems as if that is what they were doing…and from what I’ve been reading about the hearing, they sure have been making him sound like a saint who is ailing. Gee…maybe his health would be better if he hadn’t murdered someone.

        • Tomcat

          He is a retired cop and claims he was in fear for his life.
          Popcorn is very sharp you know and these days all cops are in fear of their lives,, how convenient, and special.

          • TampaDink

            I firmly believe that if the roles/results were reversed, the trial would have happened 2 years ago & the shooter would have been found guilty. It will disgust me but not surprise me one bit if the retired cop walks free.

          • Tomcat

            I know. Florida is so damaged from what I grew up in.
            Don’t miss most of it, liked saltwater fishing, but left shortly after they started charging to fish in saltwater. They claim they had to do it to protect the commercial fishermen.
            I have a feeling from the lack of fight of the people in Florida against the GOP stranglehold it is going to get much worst in the future.

          • TampaDink

            It has become a breeding ground for right wingers, to be certain. I feel somewhat insulated, as we’ve lived in Tampa for almost 30 years & although there was a setback in the 90’s over Hillsborough County pushing back against LGBT rights, we eventually won (to whatever degree that counts in a state where you can legally marry on Saturday & lose your job for being legally married on Monday). We’re hoping to relocate, to be neared family in the small blue dot of North FL (Leon Co.) when/if we can cash in on selling our house.

          • Tomcat
          • TampaDink

            Nothing is THAT dire. Poor son of a bitch. OUCH!

          • Nasty Girl Brianna

            Might take out an eye with an unpopped kernel.

  • Secure

    So if someone is open-carrying, and they get shot and killed by someone who thinks they might be a mass-shooter or terrorist, will they be punished?

    • Tomcat

      No, they will be dead.

  • David Walker

    Well, cool. So the capitol is fair game, at least for white gun-totin’ good ol’ boys. They may not have thought that one through, although the possible unintended consequences are interesting. I don’t think that should be pointed out to them.

  • Mark

    somebody is planning for somebodies doing a little overthrow of a sate government…

  • Canadian Observer

    What, no proposed law to make carrying a gun mandatory?

    • Tomcat

      Constitution won’t allow that YET.

  • Johnny Wyeknot

    Money money money

    • Paula Key

      Names and photos of those supporting this should be printed. Also each time these Republicans vote like this, the NRA issues cheques. Print the blood money under the pictures and names.

  • Tomcat

    I moved out of Florida in 1989, never looked back and am enjoying life on my small farm in Tennessee hills. State red as racist blood, but my farm is peaceful, blue and free from the hate and bigotry I was taught as a child. Now I live and let live to the best of my ability.

    • CraigNJ

      I left Florida in 2006 to marry the man of my dreams and move to New Jersey. It was right after the Terri Schiavo fiasco when Jeb Fucking Bush trampled all over the marital rights of her husband to make medical decisions on his wife’s behalf. That was it for me. NJ is a shit hole in a lot of ways but at least I don’t have to worry about the government here injecting itself in affairs they have no right to be involved in.

  • Barry William Teske

    Translation:
    Law and Order BAD.
    Free for all highly PROFITABLE.
    STOCK options.
    Who would have known?

  • Gigi

    I’m not a violent person but I really wish something bad would happen to Wayne LaPierre and the executives of the NRA.

  • Dean

    So basically I, as a private citizen of Florida, will be unable to go anywhere without being surrounded by guns. Gives me a first-class case of the willies.

  • Danieruw

    “Expand the “Stand your ground” to give more protection to people using self-defense claim…”
    Why don’t they just come out and say “murder is now legal as long as you use a gun”?

    • Friday

      *And aren’t female or a minority.

  • fuzzybits
  • CraigNJ

    I wonder who will be in charge of checking the concealed carry permits of everyone open carrying?

  • TheManicMechanic

    As long as all these newly purchased firearms somehow begin to threaten the well being of Repug lawmakers, I am all for it. Especially if it is the immigrants and people of color that begin arming themselves to the teeth. We’ll see how their positions will change in a hurry.

  • DoctorDJ

    What about guns in the FL state legislature?

    “YOU VOTED NAY?” BOOM!!!

    (Dumb shits.)

  • DaveW

    I tell all so called responsible gun owners that they blew it. All these years instead of advocating responsible ownership they instead support an org and goals that are twistedlysicj and really just crazy

    The result of their errors is that we the reasonable people will finally actually take there guns away. Their irresponsible fear of that happening will be self fulfilling

    I now say take them all away. Full Australia. Every one. No hunting. No shooting. Every single gun. That is now my, a reasonable centrist, opinion.

    They blew it.

  • Jay Silversmith

    But they sure made sure you couldn’t carry a gun at gun shows and nra rallies. Hypocritical cowards. What’s a little shootout at a gun show or nra rally between friends? Chickenshits.