Ben Carson: America Needs To Stop Pretending That Every Lifestyle Has The Same Value [AUDIO]

Via Mediaite:

Still reeling from his recent assertion that he would “not just stand there and let [the gunman] shoot me” if he had been present for last week’s Oregon shooting, Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson moved on to a new controversial topic during an interview with SiriusXM Patriot host and frequent Fox News contributor David Webb on Wednesday. Asked by Webb how he would address the “epidemic” of single-parent households in this country, Carson stressed the benefits of “traditional families.” “We have got to stop paying attention to the PC Police who say every lifestyle is exactly of the same value. No, it’s not of the same value,” Carson answered. “It is very clear that intact, traditional families with traditional, intact values do much better in terms of raising children. So let’s stop pretending that everything is of equal value.”

  • Alaska

    In other news, supposed scientist again ignores mountains of evidence in order to support his own bigotry. But he’s a Republican, so nothing new here

    • Todd20036

      He’s no scientist. He’s merely a brain-mechanic.

      • Ginger Snap

        I’ll pass on the religious mind fuck thank you.

        • Todd20036

          Right? I barely acknowledge the religion I was born into.
          And yet, I’m not completely atheist.

          • Ginger Snap

            I don’t believe in any god but refuse to be labeled an atheist. I’ve had so many labels placed on me my whole life and I have no need to have a another label.

      • Necessitas

        He doesn’t even fix brains, his specialty is lobotomy, he just removes chunks of them. I think he practiced on himself.

      • Robincho

        If he’s so great with the neuros, why the hell can’t he locate and cut the one that gives him that stupid fucking sneer? It’s like mirror-image Cheney.
        People with normal mouth lifestyles don’t look like Ben…

      • Reality.Bites

        And mechanics are supposed to look like this, not Erkel.

  • The Professor

    Funny, people used to think that not every race had equal value. Even his own church folk. Benny ought to remember that.

  • Mike Solo

    Then can we stop pretending that religious cult families are of the same value as rational open and tolerant ones?

    • David Walker

      Of course, Mike. We’ll finally be able to uphold the religious cult families as far superior to any other lifestyle. (snark. eye roll, surprised fingers cooperated in typing that sentence.)

  • Rebecca Gardner

    I hate the word “lifestyle” when referring to a person’s life.

    Being born LGBT is not a “lifestyle” it’s just a life.
    Being a single Mom is not a “lifestyle” it’s just a life.
    and all these lives have as much value as everyone else.

    Religion, however, is a lifestyle and a choice.

    Fuck you Ben Carson.

    • Rebecca Gardner

      By the way, sorry for my judicious use of “fuck” lately in my posts, but I just cannot take the level of stupidity and hatred that seems to have really ramped-up this year. It’s driving me crazy because I have no patience for stupid people.

      • Todd20036

        When you use “fuck” as a verb to describe coitus, I can do nothing except encourage increased use of that word.

      • DaddyRay

        Unfortunately we have another year of this election crap and it will probably only get worse

        • Todd20036

          Worse? Maybe. Entertaining? Definitely.

      • Steven Leahy

        Sometimes it’s the best word when others just don’t work as well. It’s OK!!

      • Gustav2

        When a Christianist says not every “lifestyle” has the same value, they are really saying is not every citizen has the same value.

        “Fuck you!” is the appropriate and constitutional response.

        • Wynter Marie Starr

          To add to your comment, what they are really saying is that unless you are living a “christian lifestyle” your life is worthless and not worthy of protection.

          • Gustav2

            And their particular brand of Christian lifestyle.

            Bloomberg just did a focus group of undecided Republicans in Iowa and New Hampshire, 98% agreed with Carson that a Muslim could not be president.

          • Harshan

            I was at a clergy meeting that took place right after a Pat Robertson brain fart. Evangelicals are having a destructive effect on Christianity, so one of the pastors jokingly suggested that we could increase attendance by putting signs outside the churches, saying “Whatever Pat Robertson Believes, We Don’t.”

          • caphillprof

            It started with the Reformation and the notion of every man a theologian.

          • Harshan

            There were three waves of the Reformation. Luther was the first one. The third and last one began with the Anabaptists. If you take church history in seminary, it’s called “the radical reformation” and it is the historical ancestor of evangelicalism. (The pedigree is Anabaptist -> stuff left out -> Puritans -> Baptists, and later evangelicals.) The third wave is where the make-up-your-own-church idea really took root.

          • The Milkman

            Maybe they should. It’s the moderate Christians who need to take ownership of how their faith is portrayed in our culture. If all the media is focusing on is the right wing freaks, then they only have themselves to blame.

          • Harshan

            Only exotic, outrageous, and unusual things are news. “Plane crashes at airport” is news, but “plane lands safely at airport” is not. News about moderate and liberal Christians is in the “plane lands safely” category. Whether or not it is in the news, you wouldn’t notice because of the snooze factor.

          • Egon Rothschild

            they’re doing to christianity what isis has done to islam.

          • The Milkman

            And both faiths have to own their own extremists and ensure that they are marginalized.

          • Ontogenesis

            They can actively work against those who would persecute us queers in the name of god. I would respect that.

          • Rebecca Gardner

            And they are too fucking stupid to know that the Christian and Muslim God are the exact same mythical sky daddy.

          • bzrd

            Actually, they are not the same sky daddy. In the Sistine Chapel the rc sky daddy has a grandpa face as he reaches out to Adam. One cannot portray the muslim sky daddy without fear of death and some have been murdered recently for doing so.

          • HanyBaal

            The god is still the same, it’s the folowers that change.

          • Todd

            Those same morons don’t understand that the “under God” part of the pledge didn’t come about until the mid 50’s. They have zero understanding of the lengths the Founders went to to ensure that there was no favored religious establishment. I think one of the most disappointing things coming out of idiots like Trump and Carson running for an office they are clearly not fit to hold is that we are seeing how many Americans actually believe the dumb shit Carson says and the xenophobic hate that Trump spews. Truly sad.

        • Roger

          They don´t have the guts to say exactly what they think because it would be imediately clear even to some conservative people the stark monstruosity of their words: “not every person has the same value”. This is the exactly thinking that is used for ethnical os social cleansings, to mass murders and to every genocide in history. When you say that blacks or jews or gays or whatever are harming society, the logical follow up (and they say it more then often) is: we need to save society. And how they intend to do it? THAT is anyones guess, and that is how you create the environment to genocide.

          • cleos_mom

            Nevertheless, some well-meaning religious folks will patiently explain that they don’t refer to the person, just their “lifestyle”. Question them further and you’d find that what they want for LGBT people is the celibate “lifestyle”. Can’t enforce that by law but that’s not due to their lack of trying.

          • crewman

            Or the “self-ending lifestyle” that they shame so many teenagers into.

          • cleos_mom

            Or, as a pious Roman Catholic co-host of a Sunday morning radio show in KC said, “that’s what you get for not following the 10 Commandments.” (never did explain the connection but he followed it up by comparing homosexuality to tooth decay)

          • Or that gay sex didn’t make the top 10 but lying, coveting and making statues did!

          • vorpal

            I still have as of yet to have one single religious person who refers to the “gay lifestyle” tell me what they think that that comprises, apart from possibly the buttsex.

            Given how little (wahhhh!) buttsex I have, I hardly think it could possibly qualify as a lifestyle. And does that mean that I am not living the gay “lifestyle” unless I am actively engaged in the hot buttsex?

          • Robincho

            Well, there’s always passive engagement too…

          • Giant Monster Gamera

            If that’s the case, then I’ve only been living the “gay lifestyle” for a handful of months over the past several decades of my life.

          • vorpal

            Tell me about it. I’ve spent orders of magnitude more living the “self-pleasuring lifestyle”, as I suspect most guys – regardless of orientation – do.

          • Priya Lynn

            “And does that mean that I am not living the gay “lifestyle” unless I am actively engaged in the hot buttsex?”.
            No. By gay “lifestyle” they mean you have anonymous buttsex with 1000 strangers a year and if you say you are gay then that’s your “lifestyle” regardless of how you actually live your life.

          • vorpal

            1000 a year??? Given I started days before I turned 19, that means I have 18,992 to catch up on or I’ll be a sub-average gay!

          • Priya Lynn

            That’s right. Believe it or not, that’s one of the standard talking points of anti-gay bigots.

          • I know such people and they aren’t the least bit well-meaning. They just don’t like to think of themselves as bigots. They aren’t fooling anyone but themselves.

          • cleos_mom

            I won’t claim to know the same people you know; but nevertheless, a belief sounding/being absurd doesn’t preclude a certain percentage of people honestly believing it.

          • I’m not saying they aren’t “honest” in their beliefs. I’m just disputing that they are “well-intentioned”. There’s nothing well-intentioned about intentional ignorance and repeated idiotic statements without thinking through the implications.

          • Harshan

            Bigots don’t know they are bigots, just as bullies don’t know they are bullies. Bigots think that they are the victims, just as the bullies think they are just playing around.

          • And if you listen to bullies they often (usually?) think of themselves as victims. A friend noted when the anti-bullying campaign started recently that no one thinks of himself as a bully. For example, anti-gay bullies think of themselves as being victimized by the presence of people they perceive to be gay.

          • Octoberfurst

            I worry a lot about that too. In recent years I have heard a constant rise of right-wingers demonizing Muslims, gays, secularists and immigrants. Apparently if you are not a Bible-thumping, White America born heterosexual you are plague on this nation and “something needs to be done about it.” “Like what?” you might ask. Well unfortunately these types always talk about “Second Amendment solutions”. Obviously that means they would have no problem killing us.

        • cleos_mom

          An if straight non-Christians think that wouldn’t apply to them, all they’d need to do is listen to one sermon mentioning “unbelievers” (most often used like a title; i.e., The Unbeliever) to enlighten them.

          • i take comfort in the simple fact that they hate each other even more than they hate us. sure, they’d like to round us all up and put us in death camps. they say so, exactly that, sometimes. but the truth is what they don’t talk about often where people can hear/see it? the fact that they hate other xtian sects a lot. catholics aren’t ‘real’ xtians; southern baptists aren’t ‘real’ baptists, etc.

            xtians may be the majority religion in this country, but there are just so many different kinds. i guarantee you that any second civil war with one side counting upon these people to lead and hold a united xtian theocracy in this country? if it depends on most xtians, it’s a lost cause. they could never agree on who should lead them.

          • David Walker

            Should they ever take over, it will be interesting to see how long any one particular variety stays in power. Please, may it never happen, but I have the feeling our US xns would ultimately put ISIS to shame.

        • Harshan

          Oh, copulation! You copulating guys must be from copulating California, where the copulating F word comes before every copulating verb and noun. Either that or they use it to pad dialog in movies to make the run time long enough.

        • Dean Cameron

          The use of the word “Lifestyle” by Conservatives is also intended to diminish the “Life” of the subject, imply that your life is of less value than theirs.

        • JoeNCA


        • Ontogenesis

          “Some animals are more equal than others.” (And you know what they want to do with the “less equal” animals).

      • j.martindale

        I applaud you for it. I think it is fully justified. Don’t hold back.

      • Mark

        I call it my voice of rage. And, it is rage when day after day, one by one, these assholes do their damnedest to discredit my very existence….and yet there is nothing I can do to change their stupid fucking minds or shut their stupid fucking mouths. And yes, #GayLivesMatter

      • olandp

        I’ve noticed that, and wish you would cut it the fuck out.

      • Ninja0980

        Sometimes it’s the only word you can use.
        It really is an outrage that being against science and being a bigoted asshole are now requirements to win a Republican primary.

      • Joe knows who I am.

        I like it! It’s refreshing!

      • Traxley Launderette

        I have no problem with the word. Sometimes the outrage needs the appropriate degree of expression. The beauty of the word is that it’s a noun, verb, adjective, adverb, and exclamation. It’s multipurpose and convenient.

      • Queequeg

        It’s OK, we all feel your frustration and agree with you. On the brighter side, the hatred has been ramped up because of our victory at the Supreme Court. They can’t erase that, as much as they would like to.

      • Steve Teeter

        That’s all right, dear. We don’t mind.

      • jmax

        Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer.

        Mark Twain

      • Ontogenesis

        Don’t worry. I regularly give my laptop the bird when I’m reading JMG’s reports about these bigots. Sometimes I even cue up Lily Allen’s “Fuck you” for good measure.

    • madknits

      “I have a life, not a lifestyle.”
      –Nikki Giovanni

    • Harshan

      I don’t believe that “lifestyles” exist. Whoever coined that word did us a huge disservice.

      A psychologist studied people who react badly to gays. He found that the emotion they felt was not inappropriate fear (phobia), but inappropriate disgust (racism). He concluded that homophobia is a misnomer. It’s not really a phobia, it’s a form of racism. (Homophobes are more perverse than we thought!) Yes, I know we are not a race, but for psychological and sociological purposes, we have that role in society.

      • caphillprof

        I actually think we should have argued that we were a religion entitled to all the ill-gotten rights of religions.

    • BudClark

      MUST we, REALLY?

    • lymis

      I hate it too, but only because it’s not applied to everyone.

      I am gay and I have a lifestyle. But it’s not some universal “gay lifestyle” and it’s not that only minorities have lifestyles but the majority doesn’t.

      It’s like the idiocy that only non-straights have a sexual orientation, or only non-whites have a race, or only some religions count as “real” religions.

      • Harshan

        Suggested comebacks:

        Someone bellows, “I don’t approve of the gay lifestyle.” You say, “What part of it do you not like, the grocery shopping?”

        Someone loudly announces, “I don’t approve of same-sex marriage.” You say, equally loudly, Oh, so YOU’RE the one! You’re the Approval Authority of the Universe! I wondered who that was.”

        Someone yells out, “I don’t approve of same-sex marriage.” You say, “If you’re not one of the people, it’s none of your business, so why do you care?”

    • Gest2016

      As I recall, Benjamin’s lifestyle of being black isn’t as valied as being White, especially amongst cops. So FUCK YOU Benjamin for calling innate human characteristics a “lifestyle.”

    • John T

      I hate the word “lifestyle”. Anyone who uses it is either a conservative Christian trying to scold me by comparing my sexual orientation to some sort frivolous but evil choice (as opposed to the naturally unstyled life that they lead), or a marketer trying to pigeonhole me into a consumer category.

      • Steve Teeter

        Being a Club Kid is a lifestyle. Being gay is a life. My “lifestyle” is staying home and taking care of my disabled partner. I’ll bet those assholes could even find fault with that.

    • raybob

      I am so over and done with the hate-filled and divisive public-figure lifestyle, too. Those are all choices. My LIFE is not a damned choice, Ben.

    • JB

      Sing it!

    • Dead Giveaway

      I agree and similarly hate the term “sexual preference”, as if I one day decided to be gay. It’s sexual orientation. It’s not a choice.

  • ‘Lifestyles’ are consumer choices. The term was devised by advertisers to make people identify their whole existence with the products they select. There is absolutely nothing traditional or cultural about the term.

    • Reality.Bites

      My first encounter with the term was when newspapers realized it was offensive to have “Women” sections.

  • JT

    America Needs To Stop Pretending

    that this is a Presidential candidate.

  • Ginger Snap

    He must mean a poverty “lifestyle” doesn’t have the same value as a wealthy “lifestyle.”

  • j.martindale

    What the fuck does this have to do with being the President? This judgmental bastard needs to be asked about how he would handle trade with China. He needs to be asked what qualities he would look for in Supreme Court nominations. He needs to be asked what he thinks about bloated military budgets and toys the armed services spends billions on that don’t work. He needs to be asked if he is going to destroy the Postal Service. He needs to be asked what the hell good he would do for the American people if he was President. And I can answer the last one for him. No fucking good! His bigotry and religious biases aren’t worth shit.

    • Jamie Brewer

      He was on NPR’s Marketplace Money last night. His answer to balance the budget was an across the board cut of 4% to every Govt program. That interview was so painful to listen to. Carson is ignorant on so many levels. To imagine he is a current contender for the Republican presidential nomination speaks volumes on how stupidity is currently worshiped by the GOP.

      • Chucktech

        An across the board cut of 4% to every Govt program. And nobody challenged him on just how stoopid that would be.

        • JW Swift

          And it probably went without saying that the Pentagon was excluded. Unless they were somehow going to get the 4% from soldier benefits, the VA or some such.

    • ExGayTherapyKills

      Ben needs to stop pretending he is going to be president.

  • Steven Leahy

    And to think there are significant numbers of people who think this fool is cut out to be president. No experience, no charisma, no personality, no insight, no logic, no ability to self-regulate to prevent projectile word-vomit from spewing from his cake hole, and no intelligence outside of his ability to splice neurons together. What a winner!

    • Baby_Raptor

      The people you speak of see those things as perks, not flaws.

      • Todd20036

        At least in the GOTP primaries.
        In the general, not so much

      • vorpal

        They certainly comprise traits that most of them dumb fucks can relate to.

    • Also: no humanity.

    • David Walker

      For a moment I thought you were writing about The Donald.

      • Steven Leahy

        With nearly all of the republicans, most comments like those are fully interchangeable 🙂

  • I don’t have a “lifestyle,” I have a LIFE.

  • AtticusP

    One of the panelists on “The View” called Ben Carson “human melatonin” earlier this week.

    I have to say that I agree with her.

  • Webslinger

    so true…

  • Todd20036

    Love the fact that he still thinks a mom and a dad means magically kids will do better, than a same sex family.
    I’ve a few examples to show him his logical flaws.
    But then this yutz cares little for actual science.

  • Marc

    Ben Carson, who grew up in a single family home, went on to become a successful neurosurgeon. I would think that he would recognize that people can go on to achieve great things despite their upbringings, whether it’s from having multiple parents, one parent or no parents.

    On the other hand, listening to this man talk indicates he’s a complete idiot.

    • Todd20036

      He’s part of the “libertarian” movement that boils down to, “I got mine. Fuck you.”

      • Marc

        Yep. See also “Do as I say not as I do.”

      • cleos_mom

        In Carson’s case, it can also go by the motto “surely you can’t mean that civil rights apply to those people.”

  • Prion

    • Todd20036


    • tristram

      Donald Trump is a temporary distraction. It will be Rubio, Bush or Cruz, most likely Rubio (who will be a formidable candidate, especially if paired with someone like Kasich).

      • canoebum

        Rubio is a lightweight; he won’t be stand up under the pressure of the campaign in the general election. His deeply flawed personality and lack of knowledge will be revealed for the whole country to see.

        • Todd20036

          Bush is polling in the mid-single digits. If his numbers don’t improve soon, then his backers will pull out, and that will be the end of his candidacy.

          That leaves Cruz, and he’s as nutty as Carson.

          • canoebum

            Nutty is a bit of an understatement. I think “dangerous lunatic” is closer to the mark.

        • JW Swift

          I think the same or at least extremely similar things could be said about Trump, yet his popularity remains up there, no matter how many of his flaws he puts on display.

      • lymis

        And if not, we’ll have a Democratic president.

        • Chucktech

          And if so, we’ll have a Democratic president.

  • Quiet everyone. The longer these no-hopers keep going, the more money will be wasted while serious candidates are undermined and ignored. And when the Trump or this piece of nonsense fall by the wayside, Teabagistan will be so outraged by the supposed betrayal that the GOP vote will be blown into smithereens for a decade as they scream about third party takeovers..

    • Baby_Raptor

      Carly Fiawhatsherface is apparently the most popular right now.

      Did you know her degree in medieval history makes her qualified to handle ISIS?

      • Carly’s corporate record alone is a landmine waiting to blow her sky high once the REAL debates arrive.

      • cleos_mom

        Whatever could be accomplished by clenching her jaw and making statements intended to express barely-suppressed rage, you could count on her to do.

  • Anastasia Beaverhousen

    No, Ben, no… Let’s stop pretending you are a smart, intellectual, real presidential candidate who has any qualifications to run this country.

  • My uncle was a brilliant surgeon. He was also a greedy property speculator and a terrible parent: a monster who ruined his family, abused his wife and is now completely bankrupt and senile and living in his daughter’s garage.

    • Todd20036

      So he was a rather poor property speculator.

      • Oh he was very rich for a long time. But he got super greedy and overreached himself. And then 2008 arrived.

        • Todd20036

          Reminds me of a couple of men I met in a restaurant around that time. All they did was buy and sell properties at higher prices. They castigated me for living in one condo and just sitting on the equity.

          I’d bet by now they’re in hock with multiple mortgages and possibly bankrupt.

          I’m still in that same condo in Dupont, and I paid off the mortgage.

          A little greed isn’t so wrong, but after a point, it will have consequences.

          • Chucktech

            Great part of town. I miss it.

          • RoFaWh

            I worked for years in the tax assessment field. One of the older blowhards who’d been around since the early fifties used to go on about just that, using the equity in one’s home for investment purposes. But another of the old guys advised not to do it; if you want to invest the equity in your home, then sell out, move to a cheaper place, and invest the difference in price, but never risk the roof over your head by exposing it to the vagaries of Wall Street.

          • jmax

            Kinda off topic, but my partner and I went to DC for the first time a couple of months ago. We stayed at the Fairfax on Dupont Circle. Great neighborhood, and a fun city. We plan on going back soon.

  • Baby_Raptor

    So you’re telling me that I no longer have to pretend to respect Christians?

    • Bj Lincoln

      Yes. You can stop.

  • Stephen Oetken

    I just keep repeating to myself, “he’ll never be President…he’ll never be President…”

    • Todd20036

      He’ll never be the GOTP nominee even.
      Once more of the GOTP voters see what he looks like, their racism will bubble to the surface, and they’ll vote for the white guy with the ratty hair

  • Matthew Cimino

    I’m looking forward to meeting his “other” family some day.

  • Buford

    So I take it that this fuqtard intends to outlaw no-fault divorce if he becomes president…?

  • Sam_Handwich

    sounds like he’s condemning the heterosexual lifestyle

  • Eebadee-eebadee-thatsallfolks

    Carson’s on a roll. The more he talks, especially about the Oregon shoiting, the more it becomes apparent that he may actually be the most unhinged of all the GOP candidates. If course, that will just make his polling numbers go up with “the base”.

  • PeterC

    And just how many studies back up his statement on the quality of life that is harmed by the various “lifestyles” that he is worried about?

  • bambinoitaliano

    He tapped into Trump crazy talk audience. Like a shark smell the blood, he has amp up the bullshit to stay with the lead. Rating the piece of dried beef jerky of a jindal and that mushy fermented pancake of a fuckabee could not achieve.

  • Speaking of lifestyle choices, Ben Carson appears to be a secret Muslim.

    • Eebadee-eebadee-thatsallfolks

      I want to see the birth certificate – long form.

    • Chucktech

      I just read that on the Internet, so it must be true…

    • scottrose


  • rextrek1

    he just one AWFUL person….and Proof , that Book smarts does NOT Equal Common sense…..

    • Robincho

      He probably knows that a tomato is a fruit, but he doesn’t know enough not to put it in a fucking fruit salad…

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Not everyone has equal value?
    Sounds like Ben is yearning for the old days when people like him were worth only 2/3 RDS of a proper, traditional American. What a jackass!

    • cleos_mom

      Nope, not even two thirds: three fifths. 66.66% vs 60%.

      (sorry about the math nerdishness)

  • Skokieguy

    Yes, Ben, some Americans are only worth 3/5th of the rest of us. Is that your point?

  • Blake Jordan

    Not even close to the fucking truth carson!
    There is no unique positive aspect to one mom – one dad households.

  • Eebadee-eebadee-thatsallfolks

    I think Carson is ripe for an SNL skit comparable to Tina Fey’s take on Sarah Palin. He’s given them plenty of material to work with, just in the last few days alone.

    • RoFaWh

      Such a skit would actually be a blow for racial equality by revealing that it’s no longer verboten to make fun of stupid black people like Carson. Skin color makes no difference where satire is concerned.

  • Johnny Wyeknot

    Example A: the Duggar family?

  • Dean

    He’s correct==there is no value in a “Christian” lifestyle.

  • cleos_mom

    I have a deeply held religious belief that the lifestyles of semi-somnambulant neurosurgeons are not of the same value as…. well, just about anything.

    That’s my deeply held religious belief and I’m sticking to it.

    • RoFaWh

      Your belief may be deeply held but is it sincere?

  • LovesIrony

    oops there goes the single parent vote and the votes of those that love and admire them. Keep talking Ben there are a few demographics you haven’t insulted yet.

    • cleos_mom

      Wouldn’t count on that; plenty of single parents lack education. That’s an essential quality for the GOP base.

  • Galvestonian

    ooopsie ! What he’s really trying to say is that LGBT’s aren’t equal ’cause good christians gotta hate and we is IT ! According to christians we’ve ALWAYS been hated, It’s just part of biblical liturgy, always has, no offense but that’s just the way it is. By making us equal you’re taking away good christian values and don’t really mean to offend anyone but well…

  • vorpal

    Quote: It is very clear that X.
    Meaning: I have no evidence for X, but here is an authoritative emotional appeal that you blindly accept X.

    Quote: Stop pretending every lifestyle has the same value.
    Meaning: If you are a member of a group of which I disapprove, you deserve less rights and protections under the law.

    And again, these idiots are excellent at pointing out problems that they think exist (e.g. single parents), but always unable to propose any solutions.

    I think the big problem is that they have a roaring addiction to pointing the finger with judgment to get a big hit of (completely unmerited) smug self-righteous superiority.

  • Bj Lincoln

    I raised my son as a single parent and now I am a married lesbian. Everyday I live my life the best I am able. We all do. This man has no business stating MY life is not valuable.

    • skeptical_inquirer

      Especially since his own mom was in the same boat as you raising him, it’s just mind boggling.

  • radiofreerome

    What Ben Carson means is that not every life has the same value. This is the rhetoric of genocide.

  • Rod Steely

    Ben Carson I remember a time when the United States didn’t consider all PEOPLE to be of equal value.

  • He can do one thing exceptionally well. That doesn’t make him a general expert or a natural leader.

    You might as well elect Josh Bell POTUS because he can play the violin.

    • olandp

      Not to mention cute.

      • WildwoodGuy

        And, I believe STILL single!

  • Jan Wesselius

    We need to talk about it, What a sham. People have been talking about things for years now. It’s like when people say, “education is the answer”. A 5 year old kid knows right from wrong, it’s applying the education. A 5 year old kid knows your not suppose to kill someone, yet kids kill each other, We don’t need more talking or education, we need action. Sterilize the mother AND father of out of wedlock children, Start the death penalty up again, Lets do action, no more talking.

    • Priya Lynn

      Yes,, that’ll fix everything – its so simple!

  • Jack

    Someone hasn’t done his research.

    • BudClark

      When does he ever?

      • RoFaWh

        Can he even read?

      • Jack

        Prior to surgery, maybe?

  • Even if that were true, there are millions of children who do not have an “intact” family. What happens to them? People like Carson live in a fantasy world where their ideal is the norm and the millions of people for whom that ideal isn’t ever going to happen are ignored. And what’s most bizarre about this is that unlike Jeb Bush, he didn’t grow up in that fantasy world.

    • skeptical_inquirer

      I get why people like Jeb and Rmoney is out of touch. We’re talking an insane level of self-hatred in Carson’s case.

      • We see the same self-loathing among gay Republicans.

  • Sean

    What “lifestyles” is the House Negro Uncle Tom Dr. Carl Vaernet wannabe talking about? Goth, preppy, jock, country, bohemian? Those are lifestyles.

    There are many studies that say children do just as well if not better with single gender parents. Children deserve at least one parent who will love, protect and provide for them unconditionally. If children have two, what is in between their parents legs is irrelevant. Educated civilized people understand that.
    4month old Gabriel Crystalus was taken from his adoptive lesbian moms and given back to his teenage bio-mom and dad and he died from neglect. 4yo Zachary Dutro was killed by his anti-gay bio mother and her boyfriend – in other words raised by a man and a woman. 3yo Ronnie Paris was killed by his anti-gay “Christian” bio father and his mother watched. Jed Maddalon from NC was born to heterosexual parents who chained him to a bed and barely fed him from a dog bowl on the floor until he was rescued at 3yo. He went through 29 families by the time he was 13 who were incapable of taking adequate care of him. When he was 14 the state was ready to give up on him and throw him away like trash into a mental hospital. It was 2gay men, a couple, who rescued him from that fate of being permanently caged like an animal, gave him his 1st birthday party and raised him to be a civilized, well-mannered young adult who went to college studying to be a social worker so what happened to him will not happen to other kids treated like dogs by their heterosexual parents.

    Anti-LGBT heterosexual parents, not gay ones, are the reason why there are thousands of LGBT youth living on the streets eating out of garbage cans, drug dealing and using, and prostituting themselves just to pay for a warm place to sleep and a scrap of food.
    Heterosexual parents, not LGBT ones, are the reason why there are thousands of children flooding the foster/adoption system abandoned, rejected, or neglected by their hetero parents. They age out and are also reduced to living on the streets eating out of garbage cans, drug dealing and using, and prostituting themselves just to pay for a warm place to sleep & a scrap of food.

    There are MILLIONS of children being raised by 2men or 2women. This ship has sailed. Get over it. These anti-LGBT arguments are ones for kidnapping children from parents you deem “inferior” simply for who they are & because they don’t fit YOUR ideal just like the anti-LGBT Nazi filth Heinrich Himmler did to the parents of Europe and that will happen over our dead bodies, Anti-LGBT Inc. My second amendment right is ready and waiting to protect my family & my friends families.

    • Sean


      • Bud Evans

        Don’t forget how hetero-fascists everywhere have imposed this repulsive standard of forced conformity even on other heterosexuals at different times is the past and in different cultures. Untold numbers of children removed from the Romani (Gypsy) parents and sent to state orphanages to rot is still a common occurrence today in many European countries; thousands of Aborigine children were stolen from their parents at one time in Australia’s own shameful past in dealing with racial minorities ( Australian historian Robert Manne suggests “approximately 20,000 to 25,000” were removed between 1910 and 1970, based on the Australian Bureau of Statistics report of 1994). Then there were the thousands of children taken from Native American families in United States and in Canada over the centuries, and sent to Missionary Schools to be “civilized”, where they were taught to hate their own people’s culture. This very old and vile game of “my family is better than your family” goes back a long, long ways. It’s time to stop this bullshit.

  • Harshan

    Maybe Ben Carson has a point. However, the only “lifestyle” that comes to mind as having less value to society is his.

  • LovesIrony

    says the man raised by a single mother

    • skeptical_inquirer

      I always want to slap him and say “How much do you hate the woman who raised you, asshole?” Because she was basically everything he despises. She left a man for good reason, was uneducated and worked hard but still needed assistance (which I don’t blame her for).

      • Todd20036

        Carson is a hypocrite on so many levels that even if he won the nomination, he’d lose in the general.

        But I’d be gobsmacked if the GOTP voted for a black man, even if he is a quisling.

  • oikos

    He’s right you know. According to the GOP only white, christian lives matter. Sorry about that Ben.

  • lymis

    “” “We have got to stop paying attention to the PC Police who say every lifestyle is exactly of the same value.”

    No, we have to stop paying attention to assholes who try to use some nebulous idea of “value” as the basis of equality under the law.

    The idea that only the people you see as valuable deserve equality IS the problem.

    Judge away about how much value someone else has. That’s not the discussion at hand. But you don’t get to use your standards of value to determine someone else’s rights.

  • Harshan

    Did Ben Carson attempt brain surgery on himself? If so, his reputation is inflated.

    • Fyva Prold

      He’s been fiddling with ice picks too much.

  • chris james

    What is the “value” of a mentally ill brain surgeon running for president?

  • motordog

    I couldn’t agree more, Bennie…these Xtian thugs with their ‘chosen lifestyle’ need to understand they can’t keep pushing others around!

  • Michael Senesac

    He’s also saying that children in single parent households are not of equal value.

  • David F.

    Carson needs to stop pretending that he is in any way even remotely qualified to be president let alone chief pooper scooper at the dog pound.

  • mikeinrkfd

    So says the MDeity.

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    He does have some valid points about issues facing single parents, in particular single mothers because apparently single fathers don’t exist, but of course his “solutions” would just make things work. If you want to help single parents out you should raise the minimal wage so you don’t have to work more than one job to get by. He’s still an asshole.

    • Stev84

      They don’t complain about single fathers, but they certainly complain a lot of about absent father. Pyiush Jindal just mentioned them and blamed the Oregon shooting on one.

      There are a lot of conservatives who think many of society’s ills can be blamed on “absent fathers” who selfishly abandon their children. David Blankenhorn (if Prop 8 fame) staked his entire professional career on the absurd idea that all of society’s problems could be solved if he could somehow force fathers to stay with their families.

  • David

    Every time he opens his mouth it should be the end of his career, but somehow it’s not. Baffling.

  • The Milkman

    He’s right. A lifestyle, whatever that means, based on lies, animus, and discrimination again minority groups isn’t as worthy of equal regard and consideration as one based on honesty, love, and hard work.

  • Cuberly

    Ben, we already have a day of the week set aside to judge, lament and shame differences. It’s called Shunday. And they even have these buildings where shunners can meet up to share in the shunning.

  • LarryChemEngr

    The same value to whom, Ben? You? And why are you the decider of whose life is more valuable than others?

    And who is America, btw? America is comprised of 300+ million individuals, each with their own lives and values. You can expect everyone to have the same bigoted, asinine values as you do, Ben.

  • Ninja0980

    A lifestyle is whether or not you go out and party on weekends or stay in and watch movies.
    Being LGBT is NOT a lifestyle or choice, it’s who we are and we are as damn worthy and valuable as anyone else.
    Fuck this asshole and FUCK the people that tell us we need to respect bigots like this.

  • Robert Adams

    Yeah, Ben, let’s remind people they should know their place. Wouldn’t want them to become too uppity.

  • REBELComx

    He’s right on one thing though. He would not have “just stood there” if someone pulled a gun on him. He would have collapsed into a fetal position and defecated himself.

  • Chris Baker

    How do you address the ‘problem’ of single parenthood when you deny sex education, free birth control, etc.?

    • RoFaWh

      Don’t be so goddam logical! It frightens the goobers.

  • Balderdashing

    Yeah, let’s stop endorsing the lifestyle of the superstitious, for instance. Let’s revoke the special tax breaks for religious institutions!

  • EdmondWherever

    Let’s stop pretending you have a chance in hell to be president.

  • RoFaWh

    People like Carson really piss me off. Who the fuck is he to say some lifestyles are more valuable than others? Who is he? The Maximum Emperor and Supreme Lifestyle Evaluator of the Universe?

    Oddly enough, I do believe that a nuclearish family is the best environment for kids to grow up in, but circumstances often don’t allow that and then people have to do the best they can. No dissing until you’ve walked the proverbial mile in their shoes!

    And if a person’s lifestyle pleases them, who the fuck is Carson to suggest it’s a lower value lifestyle than his own defrocked-neurosurgeon-and-general-madman lifestyle?

    And, yeah, my own lifestyle is undoubtedly low value in Carson’s eyes. Fat, lazy, retired, and smokes way too much you know what. Don’t like that Ben? Then fuck off.

    [I think I’m channeling Bill Bear this morning.]

  • Traxley Launderette

    God, he just keeps bringing it. What a fucktard.

  • RLK2

    Actually, it has been shown that same-sex families are just as good if not better that straights in raising children. So the twerp lies again.

  • jomicur

    But Ben, how do you think the president should address this when conservatives keep telling us marriage should be left to the states? You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth, er, both of your faces.

  • Queequeg

    Another insane rant from a madman. Honestly he is scarier than Trump.

  • Jarle Tveitan

    Religious lifestyles are worth less than other lifestyles.

    Thats what he meant right?


  • chrisinphx

    What in the actual fuck is he talking about?! He seems to have forgotten that not that long ago he wasn’t even considered a person worthy of a “lifestyle” just a piece of property.

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    When did he stopped pretending he was black?

  • Tor

    Does he have a plan for single-parent households, other than to tell them they are bad? Education assistance? Day-care assistance? Dating service?

    • Taleisin

      Make divorce harder to get? Forced adoption?

  • Chicago joe

    So his lifestyle growing up was not to be valued

    Carson was born in Detroit, Michigan, the son of Sonya (née Copeland) and Robert Solomon Carson, a Seventh-day Adventist minister.[3] Both his parents came from rural Georgia.[3] The results of a DNA test on the television series African American Lives estimated his ancestry as 20% European and 80% African, including ancestors within the Makua people.[4] His parents divorced when he was eight, and he and his ten-year-old brother Curtis were raised by their mother.[5]

  • Ore Carmi

    Well, he’s a bigot AND he’s wrong.

  • MAP

    Is Ben Carson talking about the 70 % of African American children being born out of wedlock in America? Is he talking about all those baby daddies who aren’t taking care of their children? Is he talking about the Gangsta life style?

  • So the epidemic of single-parent households is caused by gay marriage? How did this man ever become a surgeon?

  • DaveMiller135

    E Pluribus Unum, buddy.

  • TampaDink

    This, once “brilliant” neurosurgeon, is clearly brain damaged and it doesn’t require any medical training to determine this.

  • You got it partially right. Not every ‘lifestyle’ has the same value. Being an Uncle Tom is vastly unappreciated by the left. It’s done wonders for your career. You’ve gone from being a respected neurosurgeon to running for head of the clown college. Oh the places you’ll go when you’re too fucked up to see straight. I don’t know if you’re on drugs or just unhinged, I’m just glad you’re not practicing medicine anymore.

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    How many people has he killed with his brain operations?

  • Octavio

    He would not stand there. He would rush the shooter and tell others to help or get away. And then he has the nerve to admit on CBS Morning News that he doesn’t know who Steve Mintz is. Steve Mintz, they guy who charged the shooter and got shot SEVEN TIMES as he told his classmates to get away. Ben Carson is just a fuck wad. Nothing to see here. Move along. He will never amount to anything of consequence. His medical career is over. Get away, Carson, before you get shot.

    • Taleisin

      Ben also tells a story of how he had a gun pointed at him in a Popeye’s and told the gunman to point it at the cashier. What a hero.

      • Octavio

        Yeah. I’m voting for him, fer sure. /s

  • Egon Rothschild

    “traditional families”. let’s see, biblical traditional? ie, one man, many wives, many concubines? or 1950s traditional? man works, woman stays home to raise kids? if the latter, will he subsidize that family because one income isn’t enough to support it?

  • Happy Dance

    So, I guess the black “lifestyle” should go back to the way it was before slaves were freed? I guess you should not be allowed to have interracial relationships? I guess you should not have the right to vote? I mean, if we are going to condemn one group, we might as well condemn them all equally, right?

  • Gianni

    Once upon a time, your skin color would have made you of much lesser value as a human being, but much greater value as a slave. Where does it all end? And who decides who is of lesser value? You? Traditional values – you mean keep gay people as far away from legal equality as you can. It must mean that because most of us don’t give a rat’s ass whether you personally like us or not.

  • billbear1961

    It’s clear that children raised by gay couples do just as well as–sometimes better than–kids raised in traditional environments.

    It is time to stop pretending that right-wing Christers are REAL Christians who practice the Golden Rule, who don’t violate ANY biblical rule they please with impunity while attempting to single ONE group out for special punishment at their hypocritical hands, who have some kind of “special right” to STAMP OUT the civil rights of their neighbours!

    Cowardly, pandering fascist BASTARD, you are your fellow THUGS will keep your goddamned filthy claws OFF other people’s RIGHTS!!

    For remember–if OUR rights don’t need to be respected in the public square, then neither do YOURS!!

  • houstonray

    He’s a dick.

  • glass

    I completely agree Ben Carson, not every “lifestyle” has the same value. Let’s stop respecting and promoting the christian “lifestyle”. That is a cult that needs to shamed and ridiculed into extinction. Let’s concentrate on helping humanity instead of sick mythologies.

  • Taleisin

    Neither Obama or Bill Clinton were raised in traditional families and they got to be presidents of the United States. Unlike you, Mental Ben.