“Fascist Solutions” Fliers Appear At Cleveland State

Cleveland’s CBS affiliate reports:

A flier posted all over the main classroom building at Cleveland State University targets the LGBTQ community. “Kinda just surprised and disgusted,” one person on campus said about the flier.

The flier depicts an illustration of a man with a rope tied around his neck. It also gives statistics of what it claims are suicide rates among the LGBT community. It also says in bold letters, “Follow your fellow *expletive*.”

“It is a cowardly thing to do, since they didn’t put their face on it,” said another person on campus reacting to the flier. “What they are exactly looking for is to encourage someone else to put their face on it.”

The fliers were posted the same day the school opened its first LGBT center, which Eris Eady with the LGBT Center of Greater Cleveland says was a momentous occasion for the community.

After days of complaints, the school issued a surprisingly useless response:

At Cleveland State University, our foremost priority is maintaining a welcoming environment that provides opportunities for learning, expression and discourse. CSU remains fully committed to a campus community that respects all individuals, regardless of age, race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation and other historical bases for discrimination.

CSU also is committed to upholding the First Amendment, even with regard to controversial issues where opinion is divided. We will continue to protect free speech to ensure all voices may be heard and to promote a civil discourse where educational growth is the desired result. Be assured that a spirit of inclusiveness will always be central to the very identity of our University.

According to the report linked immediately above, the fliers were taken down because “prior approval” had not been given before they were posted. And not, apparently, because they encouraged LGBT students to take their own lives. (Tipped by JMG reader Jake)

  • Adonisus

    Our forefathers showed us what to do with fascists. I believe in continuing the tradition. 馃檪

  • pch1013

    Aaaand this is precisely the sort of “free speech” that those campus crusaders want to shove down our throats.

  • This is happening everywhere. Schools are trying very hard to keep this (and similar incidents targeting other groups) out of the news.

    • jmax

      Graffiti at Bosco Plaza (student free-speech area) at Kansas State University last week:

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7c17f4f2d1e0b3f2ce07078025cf69d7a9a7fe794fa4a0315b3818622b7771ed.jpg

      This comes on the heels of a noose found hanging from a tree on campus and alt-right fliers posted at various locations.

      • KnownDonorDad

        Just one? Wow, the Westboro Baptist Church is losing its touch.

        • iambu

          I choose to believe somebody got dumped and/or rejected, took it poorly, and vandalized a wall over just one dude.

        • jmax

          As much as I loathe Westboro and all they stand for, I will say they don’t do anything illegal or cowardly like anonymous graffiti. They are open and proud of their hatred.

    • The_Wretched

      My buddy in CA says similar flyers have been going up in the gay neighborhood where he lives. He’s more than a little nervous about it.

  • fuzzybits

    More evil shit since the fascist entered the White House.

  • JWC

    Hate has been enabled

  • bkmn

    I smell Mercer money at work

    • boatboy_srq

      On Koch paper, too.

  • boatboy_srq

    Soon-to-be deckhand_srq teaches in OH (not at Cleveland State though thank FSM). We keep talking of finding him a better gig at a real institution amongst real people.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      If you find one, please let me know, fleet_admiral_srq! 馃檪

      • boatboy_srq

        I hear good things about Sausalito. Good anchorage there, too. And UCB and USF are commutable, so that’s both problems solved.

        • Phillip in L.A.

          Sausalito is gorgeous! Have never lived there, but have visited friends who did…. It is probably quite expensive, tho’, at least compared to Ohio (but maybe more manageable when it comes to slip fees!) 馃檪

          • boatboy_srq

            Slip rent is frequently surprisingly cheap. East Bay was $5/ft/mo when I was there. I think Presidio andnSausalito went as high as $8/ft/mo. SRQ, though, wqs brutal at $17/ft/mo. Another reason anytime I hear someone say that Florida is cheap all I can do is laugh.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            So, like other ‘real estate,’ slips are priced per foot! Did not know that…. Florida almost 2x comparable NoCal! That is crazy.

  • Michael R

    Like all trolls , cowards who won’t put their name on their work .

  • TrueWords
  • Tawreos

    Encouraging people to take their own lives is not protected speech.

  • Another weak-kneed, worthless college administration which doesn’t begin to realize that one’s right of free speech ends where another’s begins and where that speech endangers others.

  • Leo

    There’s been lots of hype and editorializing about campus recruiting over the past couple of years to groups like Identity Europa, etc. but the numbers relatively speaking are pretty pathetic.

    I’m not trivializing this and blood is likely on their hands, but I’d be curious to see bigger picture numbers nationally. Maybe that was the goal of these lone-wolf fliers, but I’m talking things like new group membership.

  • April

    But if it was a flyer to advocate Christians hang themselves the powers that be would come down on this like a ton of bricks. In this case one big shoulder shrug.

  • LGBTQ: We just want equal rights and to be left alone to live our lives as we want to.

    Fascists: We want the F*****s dead. All of ’em. Dead.

    Both-siderists in politics & media: Let’s compromise and find common ground here!

    • African Americans: We’re taking a knee here to protest police brutality and the lack of accountability.

      Fascists: Why do you hate the flag! You’re disrespecting the troops! You should be ashamed, and then fired and blackballed! You hate America.

      Both-siderists in politics and media: Conservatives criticize NFL players kneeling in protest during the national anthem, claiming it’s disrespecting our troops.

      • The_Wretched

        NPR is seriously guilty of both sidering. I’ve been complaining but they aren’t responding.

        • Joe in PA

          A very progressive (I thought) friend on FB posted a link to a column by David Brooks (NYT). First I thought WTF is she posting Brooks, but then it got worse because I actually read the thing, and one of the first things he did was a “both sidering”. And of course offer no specifics on that “other side”. Pathetic.

        • Nic Peterson

          We have two NPR affiliates out here and recent programming changes mean that one has gone full on music and cultural programming and the other is running all of the both sides pablum that my father still thinks is a full on embrace of communism. Guess which one I no longer support.

          In other good news, our building is getting off of the common cable carrier system which will allow us to stop supporting Faux News and all of the other channels that take just a little bit of every single cable bill that goes out. Starve them, purchase your entertainment a la carte.

      • pch1013
        • Gregory B

          Compromise? WTF?!

          • pch1013

            Exactly.

        • narutomania

          I keep hearing people saying things like, “We need a dialogue here” and “Won’t you just listen to the ‘other side'”, etc. How does one have a dialogue or “listen to” people who literally want to see you and everyone like you made illegal and/or killed?

        • Buford

          Agree, and this applies to less-repugnant issues like Health Care policy, etc. As Josh Marshall analogized, there is no compromise solution between a group which wants to demolish an old building and another group which wants to preserve the old building.

          • David Walker

            Several years ago, such an attempt was tried in nearby Harrisburg. An insurance company wanted to tear down everything in sight and the populace demanded that one rather historic and downright pretty building be untouched. The compromise was that the new building would incorporate the facade as part of its exterior. Oddly, the old building’s facade just sorta kinda collapsed on day. Oops.

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          • prixator

            There actually is a compromise for the analogy – keep the fa莽ade and build around it. It’s been done often in Toronto (and usually looks like shit): https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7bec22a0b0dea84756154aea06c69e68df24851a787a456b02695d1e184b095f.jpg

          • Buford

            You miss the point.

          • prixator

            Explain, please.

          • Buford

            The point is that ‘compromise’ is not always possible when two stances on a given issue are fundamentally, diametrically opposed to one another. The building analogy was a valid attempt to demonstrate that point, and the point still stands. And yet you felt it was necessary to point out an off-topic exception to the hypothetical… ?

          • prixator

            Sorry, I disagree that it was off-topic. But, I don’t want to belabour the point. Enjoy the rest of your day!

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        • J Ascher

          So, the compromise is pretty much what we have today: conservatives trying to kill civil rights!

        • JCF

          “Black People, maybe these ‘very good people’ over here in the white hoods, will agree to your mere maiming? Doesn’t that sound like good-faith negotiation? (They’re probably gonna want your nads, though. They’re VERY set on your not existing any more.)”

    • Women: We’re protesting discrimination, and also the fact serial sexual predators are almost never called to justice.

      Fascists: They’re hysterical and lying for attention. Also they want to ruin innocent men’s lives. Let’s doxx ’em all! Make those c***s lives utter hell.

      Both-siderists in politics & media: A number of women have alleged sexual misconduct on the part of Allen/Cosby/Weinstein/Trump, but for some unknown reason they keep dropping the charges and disappearing from public view.

      • Bad Tom

        “Unknown reasons” == convinced by their lawyers that the payoff is better than a trial.

        • No. ‘Unknown reasons’ being an unrelenting barrage of death and rape threats.

          Just ask the woman who was about to bring rape charges against Trump, then suddenly dropped it. There was no settlement.

    • Fascist: kill all fags and colored people
      Anti-fascist: we need to stop these people before they can kill innocent people
      Fascists: SEE THE OPPOSITE SIDE IS VIOLENT!!!

    • Muslims: We’re protesting because white supremacists spray-painted swastikas and then burned down our mosque. We just want to worship in peace!

      Fascists: They’re all terrorists. Every one of them. And fuck no are they gonna be allowed to rebuild their mosque.

      Both-siderists in politics and media: Local community and its leaders are opposed to new Muslim prayer center, claim it’s disrespectful because it’s within 100 yards of a school and a Confederate battle monument.

      • ColdCountry

        “Local community and its leaders are opposed to new Muslim prayer center,
        claim it’s disrespectful because it’s within 100 yards of a school and a
        Confederate battle monument.”

        WTF??? Seriously? Jesus.Fucking.Christ.

    • KnownDonorDad

      Fascist runs a car into a crowd with murderous intent, killing a counter-protestor
      Anti-fascist sucker punches Richard Spencer
      Both-siderists in politics & media: There’s violence on both sides!

      • Donald, talking about the fascists: “There are some fine people in there.”

    • another_steve

      There aren’t “two sides” to this story, for this reason:

      Equality is in sync with the Way of Things. Other species don’t consider themselves or individual members among them to be “superior” in any way. “Superiority” is purely a human construct, borne of human ego.

      Bigotry isn’t in sync with the Way of Things. It’s not within our basic (what Daoists call “uncarved”) natures to be bigoted. Bigotry is a learned behavior.

      One is natural, one is not.

      • David Walker

        I agree, except that I think some “social” species do have those members who, for whatever reason, are considered superior. Maybe not the way humans define superior, but there is definitely such a thing as “pecking order” and it is clearly obeyed. I’ve seen this with dogs, cats, chickens, deer, and have heard about it in wolves, monkeys, and various other species.

        However, in no way does this disparage anything you wrote.

        • another_steve

          “Maybe not the way humans define superior, but there is definitely such a thing as “pecking order” and it is clearly obeyed.”

          Oh absolutely, David. Intra-species “pecking order” is a real and scientifically documented thing.

          The construct there serves a species survival purpose, I suspect. It’s natural and therefore benevolent.

          Not borne of malice or ill will.

    • Ninja0980

      Those people who say they want us dead and don’t think we deserve equal rights have valid points too,didn’t you know?

      • David Walker

        Would that include the right to die? I’d gladly swap my right to equality over their dead bodies. Sorry. Graphic and offensive, and I don’t care. With more days behind me than before me, I’d like to be equal before I die. If that means a little lethal bartering, so be it.

    • Buford

      I’m fascinated by the logic suggested by this flier… namely, “You people deserve to die because you have low self-esteem”.

      • David Walker

        “Low self-esteem which we have fostered and encouraged in you.”

        • Buford

          Yeah, that was sorta the point.

          • David Walker

            Sorry. I can play Captain Obvious pretty readily…sometimes without realizing it.

  • olandp

    I wonder what would happen if someone posted fliers of a hanging figure with the face of the University President. Would that be a “Free Speech” issue too?

    • Jeff Chang

      Burning someone in effigy is protected speech.

      • TimCA

        Just better have a valid burn permit before doing so. That’s all this Californian has to say about that!! s/

    • Snarkaholic

      Or the same graphic, but with the face area replaced with the face of Toad Starnes, Phony Perkins, or some other obviously closeted hater.

  • The_Wretched

    Um, not a first amendment issue. That’s not right morally or legally.

  • AdamTh

    Pence 2020?

    • Gustav2

      We don’t need Pence as president with our legislature.

      • AdamTh

        Half of what Pres Moron does is from Pence….

        • Gustav2

          Ohio’s legislature will dump anything protecting LGBT the moment they can get away with it. I expect more crap to come in 2018

    • boatboy_srq

      Pence isn’t even 20/40.

  • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

    Last day of Grand Jury day and decided a liquid lunch was in order to celebrate (only one though).

  • boatboy_srq

    Do you suppose “prior approval” would have been given?

    Although the answer might not be what any of us want to hear.

    • KnownDonorDad

      I can’t see that happening. Not necessarily for noble reasons; probably just that some milquetoast administrator wouldn’t sign anything “controversial.”

  • But Kathy Griffin鈥檚 photo was totally offensive and isn鈥檛 protected by free speech. 馃檮

    • TampaDink

      It upset Barron, Lord, Duke, Earl, Viscount trump.

      • KnownDonorDad

        I was going to make a joke, but instead I’ll reiterate that I hope he doesn’t turn into Joffrey from Game of Thrones.

        • TampaDink

          Since I haven’t seen G. of T., I googled. I wouldn’t want that to happen to trump’s spawn.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            I think you and I are the only ones who haven’t see TGoT’s,

            We should form a club.

          • Paula

            I have never watched the show.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Welcome!

          • JW Swift

            Nor I.

          • Snarkaholic

            Neither have I.

          • PickyPecker

            We watched the first few episodes. That was enough. just didn’t interest us.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            I no longer feel so alone !

          • Robincho

            Plus, Paddington doesn’t need influences like that…

          • WildwoodGuy

            I read the first three books… have never watched the show. Don’t want to read the rest of the books either!

      • I’m genuinely surprised at times that Barron even recognizes his own father.

        • TampaDink

          Maybe he doesn’t…because maybe he doesn’t know who sired him.

          • Common side-effect of high-level Propecia doses is impotence.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            I would not even be surprised to learn there was a directive to Melanoma to pleasure his sons.
            In fact, that is totally within his character.

          • Robincho

            Barron seems to have a simple outlook on life, and this may explain it…

        • Adam King

          I’ve seen loads of photos of Trump trying to cop a feel off his daughter, but not one father-son moment with Barron.

          • From the press pool reports, word was that Barron quite enjoyed Camp David the one time Donald took him and Melania there for a long weekend.

            I don’t think they’ve been back. You’re right: the only one he pays a whole lot of attention to is Ivanka.

          • Scott Carpenter

            He’s waiting till Barron’s breasts come in. They’re back ordered.

      • greenmanTN

        Who I would bet you a thousand dollars never saw it.

  • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

    This is not 鈥渇ree speech鈥. It鈥檚 incitement.

    • Karl Dubhe

      They’re taking cues from their Orange Leader.

      He’s inciting too.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Some will see that as encouragement to ” help them to their end “.

    It’s a new, sick day in America. . None of us are really safe.

    Be vigilante no matter where you are.

    • Scott Carpenter

      I don’t know if you did this intentionally, but…
      Vigilant is keeping careful watch.
      Vigilante is “acting in a law enforcement capacity without legal authority”.

      I’m actually in favor of the second, if the situation warrants it, but I don’t know if you are.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        Either way 馃檪

  • kladinvt

    Maybe a poster illustrating Tiki-torches used to light up a few NaziKlans”men”, would be an appropriate response?

  • CraigNJ

    The hanging figure appears to have their hands tied behind their back. This isn’t a suicide, it’s a lynching!

    • LaChatSayWha

      Yep. This poster’s a threat.

    • JCF

      Faggato, Faggoto…

  • Octoberfurst

    What do you wanna bet that those who posted this filth consider themselves “good Christians”.

    • Adam King

      Or good “Asatru” Aryan phonies.

  • carrot festival

    Give it to the FBI and let them look at the printer steganography on the flyers.

  • OdieDenCO

    donny’s nazis strike again!

  • Kissmagrits

    Let’s put CSU ‘s tepid response to this ugly campaign where it belongs.. in the overflowing “thoughts and prayers” file. CSU’s milquetoast administrators clearly lack balls to do anything about it. We’ve got some swamps need draining.

    • KnownDonorDad

      We independently invoked “milquetoast administrators.” High five!

      • Kissmagrits

        It would seem that keen intellects run in parallel tracks.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Trump ” joked ” about hanging gays just yesterday.

    • KnownDonorDad

      Can’t imagine that what the President of the United States says would influence people much… /s

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Assholes….

    Apologies for the larger graphic, but it needed to be thrown in their faces.

    https://twitter.com/sirlthr69/status/920376410476249088

    • coram nobis

      BTW, the hanged man seems to have his hands tied behind his back.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Yeah, I noticed that as well.

      • Karl Dubhe

        I didn’t notice. Thank you for pointing that out. 馃檨

      • David Walker

        I saw that he had a heart that shone through the X on his chest. Or is that just me being a both-sider?

      • narutomania

        I noticed that, too. The individual seems actually to have been strung up, not the victim of suicide.

    • Joe in PA

      I see you are back in rare form Jon! Good job.

    • Marty Pavelka

      I am pissed off at my alma mater. What a terrible response.

      • prixator

        If you haven’t already, let ’em know!

    • David Walker
    • JCF

      The organization identification blurb, is missing the word “Final” in the middle.

  • coram nobis

    “a welcoming environment that provides opportunities for learning, expression and discourse”.

    That so?

    • Gustav2

      Yes, most gay teenagers don’t know people hate them so they have to be learned.

      • coram nobis

        I found it an unfortunate turn of phrase. Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens officialese.

        • RaygunsGoZap

          Yup.

          鈥淲e see this as the first step in a constructive dialogue…鈥

  • Lazycrockett

    Thanks those who voted 3rd party.

  • Ken M

    With all the cameras on campuses these days, they didn’t see anyone posting these things, without permission. At least identify these “Free Speech lovers”

  • BearEyes

    Encouraging people to kill themselves is not educational growth.
    This is hate speech and must not be encouraged.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Or allowed.

  • greenmanTN
  • Hank

    Imagine the education, that Cleveland State REALLY gives to its Students!!! “Shades of “Drumpf” U!!!

  • Lars Littlefield

    In town yesterday we were approached by bible thumpers who wanted to talk about the evils of, (shhhhhhhhh, homosexuality). We immediately told the four young people were were gay. They told us we could pray the gay away. Taking a cue from Tig Notaro, we told them, “But we want to pray the gay to stay!” And then we both started chanting loud enough to attract attention, “PRAY THE GAY TO STAY!!! PRAY THE GAY TO STAY!!! PRAY THE GAY TO STAY!!!”

    The asshole christian deminionists were so embarrassed they quickly walked away.

  • Ken M

    “Based on race, color” So I could change a few words (dare I in here?) and I could hang them all over campus, with approval of course. Start with “N” I think you get the idea.

  • another_steve

    Joe is depressing us again.

    Is he in cahoots with the alcohol industry?

    • Tomcat

      I know one thing, if he gets a kickback from big pharma, he is going to get rich.

  • Girlgoon

    You gotta wonder if there is a website where these orgs. Can go to copy and paste canned responses like this that seem not to acknowledge that there is anything really wrong.

  • Terance Greene

    All you have to do is imagine any other type of person instead of one of our community i.e. Woman, African American, Latino etc. If flyers were put up for one of these groups to kill themselves it would automatically be understood as not free speech but hate speech!

    • CJAS

      I doubt that. The same racists responsible for Charlottesville have been invited to the universities of NC and FL with the administration’s blessing.

  • billbear1961

    So, will they be back up because Free Speech?

    What next, free speech encouraging the mass murder of Jews or Muslims or other minority groups? Free speech encouraging the subjugation of women??

    How about flyers suggesting NAZIS and other fascists should be encouraged–or DRIVEN–to commit SUICIDE?? How about THAT??

    How about fucking goddamned posters to encourage the fucking goddamned “president” of the USA to OFF himself?!

    Free Speech doesn’t mean you have to provide a PLATFORM–a venue–for opinions based on nothing but LIES and HATRED!!

    Why not invite ISIS onto the campus to expound on THEIR views, you useless ASSHOLES?!

    • Gustav2

      If they add a Bible verse it will be OK in Ohio.

      • billbear1961

        This is fucking outrageous!

        If the brainless fuckers say this is okay, next up should be some posters encouraging all the LOSER deplorables to kill themselves with their goddamned Fearless Leader!!

        Let’s have some flyers with biblical quotes aimed at all divorced and remarried Christer HYPOCRITES–they’re guilty of ADULTERY according to THEIR lord and Saviour, for which the biblical penalty is DEATH!!

        • Ken M

          MrBill, a new letter form the College President is posted above. It won’t solve what has already happened, but he is having an Open, Town Hall meeting for all students tomorrow night to come and voice their opinions. Not world saving but certainly a step in the right direction. Whether he actually cares or not, at least the students will have a chance to voice their opposition.

  • Girlgoon

    We wouldn’t consider suicide if we weren’t hated

  • OdieDenCO

    we have dealt with fascists before. we will deal with them again since they didn’t learn the lesson the first time!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CYTcQUKTVY

  • Tomcat

    Haters don’t commit suicide, they commit murder.

  • teedofftaxpayer

    Obviously those who put the flyers are cowards otherwise they would have came forward. It’s not a question of “First Amendment”, because this could fall into the same category as yelling “fire” in movie theater. The school just doesn’t care that’s why they’re not doing anything.

    • iambu

      The school’s press release says some nonsense about the First Amendment rights of the students “fostering discourse” or some similar bullshit. This is NOT discourse. This is bullying and it’s targeted. You can’t be on the fence here, Cleveland. I agree, “fire” in a theatre.

      • There’s no discourse to be had when one side wants to murder the other and is demanding the right to be in the faces of those to be murdered.

        It’s terrorism via hate-speech.

        • iambu

          Absolutely!

  • Leo

    OT. So he took away the subsidies but supports these. My late aunt with schizophrenia would’ve wondered what was wrong with this fresh fuckery.
    https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/920361935278878726

    • The_Wretched

      And thus the question; Does Trump know he’s president and what any thing he does actually means for everyone else?

    • RaygunsGoZap

      She would have figured it out: He鈥檚 still breathing

    • Hank

      Now, we have to get this through the House of Representatives, if it passes the Senate!

      • OdieDenCO

        the only reason mcconnell will let it come to the senate floor is if he knows the house will kill it. that way he can pat himself on the back and say he tried.

    • Gustav2

      Trump likes it because it may block grant Medicaid so the states can individually screw their own poor people. The Obamacare subsidies to insurance companies help the middle class in the individual market.

    • Circ09

      Trump supporters around me think he is a genius because his decisions is forcing Congress to finally work together to find solutions to healthcare. No matter that it is Repubs that have screamed for YEARS and then showed up with no viable plan. It’s a bi-partisan failure.

  • JaniceInToronto

    Who in the hell is running that school? Fucking idiots using 1 Amendment argument about hate speech.

    I love Canada more and more, as the world gets worse, not better.

    Bummer.

  • Darrel Cj

    I’m paraphrasing from memory, but a favorite quote from Richard Dawkins: “moderation is not necessarily the middle point between two opposing points of view”

  • The_Wretched

    I’ll have to call them when I’m not at work: https://www.csuohio.edu/provost/contact-us-4

    they don’t have an email comment section for the ombudsman.

  • RMJ

    So it’s been a long time since I was in college but how the FUCK does this “promote a civil discourse?” The person that wrote the second part of that response and the person that approved that response should be terminated immediately. I read this statement as CSU being complicit and approving of the message. I would not have any problem seeing CSU named as co-defendants in a civil suit if any anti-LGBT violence occurred on campus.

    • David Walker

      I went to a small xn college for small xns during the mid-’60s. Short of wearing your sheets to class, opposition to equality was civil discourse. The few people of color on campus were from Africa, because the denomination felt it was their xn duty to educate 1 or 2 a year. Skeeter’s boyfriend in “The Help” was how most of the students regarded “the problem”…that there was no problem until people stirred things up. The day MLK was assassinated, I got a call from someone with whom I had to co-exist. First thing out of his mouth was, “Hey, did you hear what happened to Martin Luther King today?” and I honestly thought he was going to make a joke…and was thoroughly surprised he didn’t, he just wanted to let me know that some of the faggot actors insisted on not having rehearsal that night.

      Then discrimination against people of color became illegal and the act was enforced and they were at a loss for folks to pick on, but thanks to Jerry Falwell and Pat Robinson, we became the target and Murka was great again..

  • JCF

    OT (reposting this to newest thread):

    Newest reports re Obama & Kelly: six months after their son’s death, the
    Kellys were invited to a Gold Star Family breakfast w/ the Obamas at the
    White House. According to an anonymous source (since the event was
    private), they sat w/ Michelle.

    FOAD, Drumpf!

    • David Walker

      Thank you for this. I haven’t been reading comments today, so I wouldn’t have known what actually happened. It’s actually more than I would have expected…I guess I didn’t there was such a thing as Gold Star Family breakfasts. Thank you for confirming how human the Obamas are.

  • RhettStone

    The president of the university just posted this: https://twitter.com/PresBerkman/status/920380885685428225

    • The_Wretched

      Bullshit. The posters are violent and depict a hanged ‘faggot’ with the group name “fascist solutions”. That’s a terroristic threat and a violation of law.

      • Ken M

        So go tot the meeting and yell it out.

    • Ken M

      Almost hate to say it, but well handled considering how things initially went down. Can’t change the past, can move forward to a better future.

      • Tomcat

        We do happen to SETTLE A LOT don’t we.

      • Leo

        He and the university would probably get sued if they tried any punitive action. That’s the way it is litigiously right now.

      • billbear1961

        No, you don’t just forget it and move on to a better future: you hold people ACCOUNTABLE for what they say and do. If you don’t, there won’t BE a better future!

        • Ken M

          Hold who Bill? When and how? These kids are being given a chance to at least voice their opinions. If they feel it’s worth it instead of just bitching about all that’s wrong with the world.This is a college campus. Students are paying a fortune to get degrees. This is actually a primary way to learn about civil rights and the laws that protect them, and can be changed. Forgetting it would have meant NO meeting, NOT caring, and NO article in the local paper. I’ve already looked, these losers don’t even exist on Google. I’m stopping before I get upset.

          • billbear1961

            I just said–wrote–you DON’T forget this.

            This BS about civil discourse or reasoned debate–you can’t have either when one side is telling the other they should KILL themselves.

            The fascists are demanding the right to bully others in the name of free speech!

            The campus administration has SHIT for brains–you can’t have a welcoming, tolerant environment for all groups when you let ONE group scream at another that they should KILL themselves.

            This is just insane and evil BULLSHIT.

            Yes, students should go to THIS meeting and tell the administration what I’ve just said.

          • Ken M

            I hope they do. It does need to be heard w/o question.

    • Free speech is not and should not be an absolute right, especially when the threats are terroristic in nature.

      Also, while the text on the poster urged suicide, as many have noted the illustration was of a man being lynched.

      • Wuulf

        Thanks for pointing that out. I didn’t notice that his hands were tied behind his back.

    • Tomcat

      Free speech should come with acknowledgement of sponsor and deliverer.
      Anything less is just bullshit bullying anonymously.

    • MBear

      Because coddling violent bullies under your sanctimonious free speech is more important than the lives of the vulnerable.

      Fk you to next sunday

    • Jay Mills

      Our society tacitly encourages LGBT suicide as a solution. This is just saying it out loud.

    • m_lp_ql_m

      “Failed to express his personal outrage…”
      So, issue a new public statement!

    • OdieDenCO

      a poster depicting a lynching is not free speech it’s incitement to murder!

  • Ken M

    O/T sorta – Guess what school district has the highest suicide rate in the nation according to the CDC? http://www.news5cleveland.com/news/e-team/cmsd-has-among-highest-suicide-rates-of-any-urban-school-district-in-the-us Seems to start early in Cleveland.

    • Tomcat

      Well Just guessing but with all the love shown to blacks in America I am surprised the rate is not higher there. And the love part was sarcasm for the unknowing.

    • Dale Snyder

      I’ve been to a lot of areas (mostly on the east side) where the neighborhoods are so stricken with substance abuse, crime and severe poverty it makes Chicago’s south side seem nice. This doesn’t surprise me in the least.

  • Halou
    • Tomcat

      And I am sure he feels both sides have some adorable people.

    • zhera

      Except he can’t, because he’s neck deep in the nazi trenches.

    • “And I like the guys with the red flag, because they believe in eugenics just like I do! They win the argument.”

  • Hank

    With the figure being “lynched” completely black, makes me wonder if the creator was going after 2 birds with one stone!

  • Halou

    O/T: This happened just over a week ago. A rally against Catalan independence.
    I hope Spain has a better official reaction that this.

    https://twitter.com/thepileus/status/917099346168074241

  • DisqusD37

    It鈥檚 2017. I wish evolution would hurry up and these mother ph ukker鈥檚 die out already.

  • Tomcat

    OT: sort of. I have been able to handle my anxiety and depression for a good number of years now but it is now getting unbearable again so wish me luck, I have an appointment with Psychiatrist and psychologist tomorrow. If they cannot help me cope better I will be forced to stop using JMG. Some of my comments I ALMOST posted were pretty dark, but I deleted them before inserting them. I just feel like the world I once knew blew up and we got left with the waste. I apologize to anyone I may have pissed off in the past week except troller trash.

    • m_lp_ql_m

      The fact that you’re able to self-edit makes you infinitely more sane than 80% of the internet.

      • Gustav2

        And our current president.

    • PickyPecker

      It’s good for you that you recognize when it’s time for a psych. tune-up. It’s also good for you that you have a forum such as JMG to vent and to sortof ‘be’ with your people.
      I understand. I hope the best for you. I hope you do not disappear on us. Peace and love to you, brother. XO
      https://media.tenor.com/images/9085f5336c12740c4eb0fa792cb42aff/tenor.gif

    • CB

      Good luck. Depression is no joke. Nor is anxiety. Take care of yourself, and I hope we’ll continue to see you here.

    • Ben in Oakland

      My sister in law has the same problem. Usually, a change in medication does the trick. We wish you good fortune.

    • zhera

      I had a 10 day forced vacation from JMG and internet in general, due to PC trouble. It was good to take a breather. I hope you’ll be well and if you need a break then that’s what you’ll do. Health comes first!

      • David Walker

        And here I thought you were making whoopee at an Oktoberfest somewhere. Bummer.

        • zhera

          A las, no whoopee for me.

    • netxtown

      I wish you a gentle recovery/return. It can get pretty heavy in here from time to time – and days that are ‘trump’ from the opening salvo are even harder. I’ve had to turn it off, walk away, and force myself to do something that brought my thoughts bck into my own little world…shutting out everything else. Just some time inside of nature itself seems to help the most…the trees, the smells, even the occassional pecker gnat can soothe the soul. Stay well.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        pecker gnat ?!

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      I think many of us feel the same to one degree or another.
      Do what you must, we will be here.

    • fuzzybits

      These are dark times. I’ve had to limit myself from the news at times and feel like I need to more. Totally understandable. Please take care of yourself. https://media.giphy.com/media/42YlR8u9gV5Cw/giphy.gif

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Sometimes, I have to seek out the good people :

      https://twitter.com/Koksalakn/status/910565447321387008

      • David Walker

        Wow. Thank you.

    • Ken M

      I hope you feel better Tomcat. You and I don’t always agree, but that’s what this place is for. Take care and I look forward to seeing you soon. You can sometimes be a challenge, but I happen to enjoy a challenge. 馃槈

    • billbear1961

      Good luck, Tom–I hope you’ll feel up to posting, at least from time to time!

    • yes b’y

      (((((tomcat))))) Please don’t go. Oh wait the last thing you need right now is me guilting you. Good luck with the app’ts and I hope to see you soon.

    • David Walker

      I’d would have disappeared from the face of the earth long ago if it weren’t for therapy. I’m surprised and delighted you could get a team for an evaluation. My therapist loves that I find solace, friends, and companionship here, even though the articles themselves raise my blood pressure 74% and I cannot get over my anger. Mention JMG. If you find you’ve been using or depending on the site to get your thoughts out, that should not be discouraged. JMG has been a lifesaver for many of us, I think, and if it’s at all possible for you to come here, I do hope you do. Maybe you can reach an understanding with the shrinks, they understand this place is important to you and you understand that they will have suggestions (and prescriptions) that will help.

      Do what needs to be done. If it means staying away from here a bit, then that’s what you need to do. I hope such won’t be permanent. Know that we’re all pulling for you.

      {{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}

    • whollyfool

      Celexa helps me get through life. I was in so much pain before I started taking it. I wish now that I had not waited so long.

      I used to be a news junkie. Now I watch a lot of old TV shows and sew a lot; just anything to keep my mind occupied with stuff that’s not current events. It has helped me.

    • RobynWatts

      I鈥檓 terribly sorry with what you鈥檙e dealing with. If you have to step away for a bit just to save your sanity, I鈥檓 sure no one here would hold it against you.

      Please remember this: You are loved for who you are, no matter what!

    • Good luck, Tomcat, and take care.

  • netxtown

    Maybe a similar flier with a symbollic CSU admin hanging from a noose…

  • ClevelandJim

    Unfuckingbelievable

  • CB

    When I was in school (back about the time of the introduction of moveable type it seems like sometimes), when we saw a poster that was offensive, we ripped it down. Are students afraid to do that these days?

  • Blackfork

    THE FIGURE IN THEIR GRAPHIC has his hands tied behind him. This graphic is not about suicide — it’s about murder.

  • paganguy

    When you have a President who jokes about the Vice President wanting to hang LGBTQ people, what do you expect to happen?

    • Snarkaholic

      What kind of crap do you (meaning anyone here) think they have lined up for November 4th?

    • Wuulf

      I was about to post that also, but this thread being about suicide, I hesitated. Also too when I posted it on other sites it was often deleted.

      • Natty Enquirer

        Irony is forever lost on some people.

  • rednekokie

    No matter who you are, or where you come from, you have to be taught how to hate — either by your parents, your teachers, your pastor, or your friends you hang out with.
    Hatred is not a characteristic which people are born with. Each person who hates another person learned it from someone else.

  • Robincho

    Just another day at CSDNSE*…

    * Cleveland State Dickless Nutless Spineless Emporium

  • FancyThat

    The notion of hanging LGBTQ people is always something the haters always seem to enjoy very much. It’s somehow less harsh than tossing people off tall buildings, and has a solid history of fear and intimidation in the history of American civil rights struggles.

    In 1998, while Matthew Shepard was lying in a coma at a nearby hospital in Fort Collins, Colorado, Colorado State University’s downtown homecoming parade featured a float sponsored by a CSU fraternity and sorority which depicted Matthew as a hanged scarecrow, with the epithet “I am GAY.”

    When Matthew’s body was found tortured and bound to a wooden storm fence in Laramie, Wyoming, rescuers who arrived first saw his limp body and told reporters they initially thought he was a scarecrow.

    When the hanging parade scarecrow incident drew public outcry, frat members scurried to come up with a quick cover-up explanation. They later claimed that the scarecrow was supposed to have represented their rival football team, and that an anonymous vandal had doctored the scarecrow’s appearance with graffiti the night before. (Yet the players still chose to ride with the executed “I am GAY” scarecrow in the big game-day parade!)

    Never Forget.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/16211611d6957a4c76dcef40ba2477910e5050abfd6353f151efc5d1d1b36fb4.jpg

  • djcoastermark

    Hmm, this coming on the heals of t rumpy’s little comment about pence wanting to hang LGBT people.

  • Gigi

    Who are the “very fine people” that wrote this POS response? After days of nothing THIS is the best they could come up with? Who wrote this for them, Alliance Defending Freedom? This makes me so angry!

    “CSU also is committed to upholding the First Amendment, even with regard to controversial issues where opinion is divided.”

    • Ken M

      The posters were first found last evening, not days ago.

      • Gigi

        From the article: “After days of complaints, the school issued a surprisingly useless response…” Whether they were found last evening or a few days ago it was a useless response, wouldn’t you agree?

  • ETownCanuck

    Hey CSU. The appropriate response IS that this is unacceptable, that you will take every measure to find the individuals responsible and that they will find out that a higher education is a privilege and not a right. The end.

  • LovesIrony

    Hard to have a welcoming environment where hate speech is tolerated

  • Pluto Animus

    The scumbags wanted attention, and now they’re getting it.

    Whoever found this flyer would have done the world a favor by merely throwing it away. Now that it’s flying around the internet, it can inspire copycats.

    Yes, there are assholes among us. Publicizing their agenda is something they no doubt appreciate.

    When the Republicans do this, we need to draw attention to it. When some random college loser does it, shouldn’t we just ignore them?

    • whollyfool

      I understand your point and it’s a good one. But it’s the college’s response that’s the bigger issue to me.

  • whollyfool

    Here’s the number to the Cleveland State University operator if you would like to ask on what topic opinion is divided in this case.

    216.687.2000

  • Elsewhere1010

    Two poster suggestion to hang at CSU; one with a photo of the bunker in which Hitler committed suicide, and one of a bodies of Mussolini and his mistress Clara Petacci hanging upside down at a Milan Esso station where people threw rocks at the corpses.

    The text could be something about inviting the fascist sympathizers to their future life, or lack thereof.

  • DaveMiller135

    I wouldn’t loan fascists the stink off my shit. I certainly wouldn’t give them the satisfaction of becoming a statistic.

  • Adam Stevens

    They tried to destroy us. They lost.

    Let’s dance.

  • Statistics Palin

    Fascism and suicide are both bad permanent solutions to temporary problems. They have a lot in common.

    I think the campus civil rights groups should use this for publicizing helpful events. Suicide prevention speakers, supportive groups, etc.

    Do it under the banner 鈥淧iss off a Bigot.鈥. Use the bigots to promote our agenda. Subtly shame the university into giving a better response. Involve professional societies like the AMA and the APA in schooling the university president in safeguarding the health of the student body.

    Whatever works, franchise it.

  • Silver Badger

    And they they wonder why gay people snap and start stabbing bullies. I hate to sound racist, but if it were a person of color on the poster this would be a hate crime. As it’s only faggots, well freedom of speech is important.

  • Tom Furgas

    Well, I can’t imagine why many LGBT etc. people want to kill themselves, aside from the persecution and bullying and rape and murder that we are so often subjected to. This is self-fulfilling prophecy at it’s most hateful. Don’t these facists have ANYTHING more rewarding to do with their miserable lives???

    • Clive Johnson

      I can think one thing more rewarding for these fascists, and that’s getting punched.

    • customartist

      No.
      And this says more about them than LGBT folks

  • GanymedeRenard

    ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? WTF is wrong with this school’s authorities??

    • leastyebejudged

      Nothing, that’s how public education in Ohio rolls.

      • GanymedeRenard

        *Sigh*

    • customartist

      Now, if the fliers had attacked blonde-haired blue-eyed cheerleaders…..

      • GanymedeRenard

        Or black students, or Asian students, or Hispanic students… basically anyone but us. Why is still socially acceptable to target us fags or the rest of our acronym for that matter?

  • aagold76 .

    President who issued the statement is getting slammed on twitter- he’s called a special open meeting for 2pm tomorrow to discuss it.

  • Hue-Man

    France is taking the threat of far-right terrorists seriously unlike Trump’s America.

    French police have seized ten far-Right militants reportedly suspected of plotting to kill politicians and launch attacks on migrants and mosques.

    Aged between 17 and 25 and including one woman and two minors, the suspects were arrested in raids in Seine-Saint-Denis, northeast of Paris, and near Marseille, southern France.

    According to French media, politicians on the suspects’ wish list included Jean-Luc M茅lenchon, the leftist leader, and Christophe Castaner, spokesman of Emmanuel Macron’s government.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/17/emmanuel-macrons-spokesman-among-targets-far-right-militant/

  • Ken M
  • leastyebejudged

    Ohio acting all like Ohio.

  • ErikDC

    Imported from Russia?

    While the fliers are terrible, I’m not going to assume they are of American origin until it’s proven they are of American origin. They could be part of another disinformation campaign by the Russians designed to spark conflict here.

    • Friday

      Or the hatred could be, the phrasing seems kind of off for AMerican English, not that Nazis are particularly literate.

  • customartist

    Are there not fingerprints on these fliers?