Hillary Slams Facebook For Election Fake News [VIDEO]

During her appearance on last night’s Rachel Maddow Show, Hillary Clinton took aim at Facebook’s role in spreading fake news during the 2016 election.

The Hill reports:

“We may have our disagreements among Americans, we’re not going to let the Russians come in and divide us. And so we’re going to make Facebook own up to everything. They’ve just begun to own up. They have a long way to go before they get to where they need to be, in my opinion,” Clinton told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow.

“Other tech companies, we’re going to go after these provocateurs, these Russians posing as Americans, these content farms in Macedonia, these thousand trolls, these tens of thousands of bots, because you know what, we have every right to have a rigorous debate in America, but we don’t want it being interfered with and suborned by Putin and his allies,” she continued.

Last week Facebook revealed that hundreds of Russia-based accounts purchased ads that promoted various anti-Clinton conspiracy claims.

  • Jonathan Smith
    • Ross

      Ahhh. So I guess this HUGE problem should just be ignored then.

      • Jonathan Smith

        no. but it should have ALSO been brought up AT THE TIME..

        • Ziad Baaklini

          Because people wouldn’t have spun that to something bad.

          • Jonathan Smith

            no, but maybe facebook would have come clean at the time, or SOMEONE in GOVT could have looked at it.
            not saying it would have made a difference, too bad, but we would be what? 8 months ahead of this at this point?

          • Bad Tom

            No, they wouldn’t have.
            Obama felt he had to be cautious, or HE would get drawn into the Republican narrative.

        • Ross

          Ah, yes. Of course. How silly of me.

          Because everybody would have immediately accepted what Hillary claimed, and all would be well across the land today.

          Of course.

    • Bad Tom

      Everyone seems to know how she should have run her campaign. To the point were we ACTIVELY DISMISS the actual candidates views on the topic.

  • BeaverTales

    Fake News didn’t keep you from campaigning in Wisconsin.

    • Ross

      No campaign is perfect. None.

      It’s easy (and cheap) to be critical in retrospect.

      And, did Hillary lose Wisconsin? Or was the vote hacked?

      • BeaverTales

        That’s what Trump says….and Jill Stein.

    • Leo

      Except Wisconsin WAS microtargeted by Fake News. Specific voters in specific precincts actually on social media with the permission of Facebook, aid of Cambridge Analytica, funding of Robert Mercer and launch of the Internet Research Agency.

      Everyone keeps harping on this angle. Did it hurt her in votes? Yes. Do I think it made enough of a difference compared to everything else? No.

      These were voters that were going to flip whether or not she visited AT ALL. Point blank.

      I genuinely believe that and would provide more links but don’t have the energy.

      PRRI/The Atlantic determined with a study of 3,300 WWC Rust Belt Obama-to-Trump flippers that they were voting not on lost jobs but fear of cultural displacement, poll language for there-aren’t-enough-white-people-now. The flippers ARE deplorable and the “BuT JOoobbbzZ!!” angle has been revealed to be a much smaller factor than everyone gives it credit for.

      • BeaverTales

        She needed Wisconsin to win the Electoral college and did nothing to try to win it except run TV ads.

        She visited Arizona.

        • Leo

          She would have gotten more votes for the Electoral College had she visited Wisconsin. Yes.

          Would she have gotten enough to make a difference? None of us know for sure.

          In my opinion, no. Too many voters’ minds were made up already.

    • erstegeiger

      Listen to her interview on yesterday’s Pod Save America.

    • danolgb

      And for the one millionth time, who went to Wisconsin and Michigan on her behalf? Bernie. Yes. That was probably a mistake to send that asshole and not go herself.

      • BeaverTales

        For the one millionth time, the Democrats in those states told her she needed to pay attention to them, and she didn’t. Insulting and ignoring people who try to help you is probably not a winning strategy, yes?

        • danolgb

          “The Democrats” in those states were just fine. It’s you stupid Bernie followers who needed some sort of a personal invitation to get out and do the only logical thing. No.. the campaign did not ignore them. They sent the person who promised “to do everything in his power” to get Hillary elected. Turns out, he didn’t. You just swallowed another popular narrative to excuse your stupidity in continuing to attack the only candidate who had a chance at beating Trump.

          • BeaverTales

            You can’t constantly ignore and insult people who are trying to help you.

            If Hillary had irrational, nasty and ungrateful people like you as her “surrogates”, she never had a fucking chance. And fucking stop harrassing me.

          • danolgb

            See, here’s the problem. You are so simultaneously stupid and smug that you think you’re helping me. What you do show is how you let feelings get in the way of electing the most qualified candidate we’ve ever seen over the absolute worse. Learn to vote with your brain, not with your feelings. If you’re not smart enough to have seen that on your own, no one can convince you. It wasn’t Hillary who failed. It was stupid voters, many from the left who were so brainwashed by Bernie the Savior, who ruined this country. You’re not doing me some personal favor by voting for the only logical choice. You’re helping yourself. But if you get so easily offended that you can’t manage to do that, you probably shouldn’t be voting anyway.

          • jsmukg

            THIS–but the BernieBROFLAKE you’re addressing is incapable of even acknowledging, much less learning from, his catastrophic mistakes.

          • Ann Kah

            The time for Bernie was the primaries. Unfortunately, some voters were extremely slow learners about the political process, and when they cast their “feel-good” Bernie votes, we got the Orange Vulgarian.

          • BeaverTales

            Nobody except a few kooks cast votes for Bernie after their state primaries. She lost some uninspired voters and independents in 3 states that no democrat should ever lose.

            Hillary was so certain of her win that she refused to make any real compromises outside of heavily urbanized states that would win her the votes she needed in the rust belt. She won MN by ~a single percentage point and lost PA, MI, WI by about the same amount. It was an unfortunate oversight on her part that she should blame on no one else but herself.

            People who worked on Bernie’s campaign were ignored or kicked out of meetings where they tried to speak up and to tell her that she risked losing their states, and why. They can’t be blamed if no one in Hillary’s campaign ever listened to them.

            In the next election, the Democratic Party should focus on issues that will win swing states instead of telling themselves and their candidates that they are “inevitable”. A little less arrogance and a little more humility about how we are appealing to midwestern working class voters will be enough to defeat the Orange menace in the Electoral College in 2020.

  • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

    Did you all see the cover New Yorker was going to use had Russian not successfully interfered, had Comey not stupidly issued his letter, had republicans not engaged in widespread voter suppression https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/67d5dc40aac298d78c438d493462fa9d91c3a19f00a0ab34f2f091c884893cdd.jpg , had the media done its job, etc etc etc?

    • Todd Allis

      That is beautiful and makes me sad.

    • Natty Enquirer

      But they didn’t, Blanche.

    • FAEN

      Yeah I saw that the other day 😒😒😒

    • crewman

      It’s somehow even more poignant now.

  • Tawreos

    How is she, a private citizen, planning on making Facebook come clean?

    • Ross

      How foolish of Rosa Parks, a private citizen, to think she could change anything.

      • Tawreos

        I am not saying she can’t do it, I am wondering what the game plan is. How do we make them do it?

        • Ross

          Public opinion can be very powerful.

      • Natty Enquirer

        She won’t get anywhere with the Republicans in charge. And I find it difficult to equate Hillary Clinton with Rosa Parks.

        • GayOldLady

          Ironically it was the men of civil rights era who got most of the publicity, fame and credit, but it was the women and men, mostly domestic workers, who rode the buses who refused to sit in the right place and began walking to work instead of taking the bus. The people who refused to shop in the department stores and the supermarkets that refused them bathroom accommodations and water. The people who lost their jobs as housekeepers, gardeners, handymen, who challenged Jim Crow and eventually brought it to it’s death. They are the people who pushed the movement forward. Rosa Parks got little to no attention in 1955 and didn’t become a truly iconic figure until years after the actual event. As in the Gay rights movement there were many before Rosa who defied Jim Crow who are still unnamed, but Rosa’s tenacity made her the public face of those who really began the movement.

          And I believe history will write that it was Hillary Clinton’s candidacy that unmasked the depth of the prejudice against women in roles of leadership in this country, a prejudice that both men and women expressed toward during election 2017. Our country has never had a woman Executive and few women in the Senate and House. We’ve only had the vote for 97 years. Considering a little over half of the population is female, there’s nothing to explain it other than prejudice. Women do run and women do compete for office, but this country is backwards in it’s ability to see women as leaders. It is so ironic that we consider ourselves to be so far ahead in so many fields of endeavor, but we’re still in the 18th Century when it comes to our ideas of Female Leadership.

          The hatred of Hillary was uncalled for. It was bombastic, inaccurate, rhetorical character assassination that not only Republicans engaged in but Democrats engaged in too. Her candidacy and the lessons we learn from it will pave the way for our first Female POTUS. I just hope I live to see it.

          KAMALA HARRIS 2020

          • popebuck1

            I wish I could “love” this comment rather than merely “liking” it.

    • Miji

      Umm, she said “we” and “in my opinion”. Don’t think she is claiming she can or proposing she should do it on her own.

    • Bad Tom

      Downthread, there is another argument that she should have fought this battle (which only came to light THIS WEEK) during the campaign.

  • PickyPecker

    Facebook only cares about profits (until they get caught)
    NYT~ Fearing Anti-Semitic Speech, Facebook Limits Audience Targeting
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/15/business/facebook-advertising-anti-semitism.html

  • crewman

    Towards the end of the 2016 election I happened to be taking a class on big-data-analysis. As an exercise we were analyzing where facebook sends traffic related to the candidates. By a factor of like 20:1 traffic from Facebook was being directed to pro-Trump sites.

  • John Ruff

    Facebook: the trailer park of social media apps.

  • misterjack

    I watched the interview, last night. Both Clinton and Maddow were excellent.
    As for Facebook, I am so glad I never signed up.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Same here. Missed a class reunion as the only announcement was via FB.

      NOT EVERYBODY is on it people!

      • misterjack

        I’ve never been to a class reunion, so that would not have bothered me. My friends all know I don’t use facebook, so they shoot me an email or text.

      • JCF

        Because you were Too Good for the rest of the FB sheeple, Ragnar. πŸ˜‰ [I’m only half kidding]

  • greenmanTN
    • Thank you. I hate Facebook. I can’t leave because there are some professional and school groups that use that to get out information. If I leave entirely I just won’t be told that there was a rehearsal schedule change or other important information. FML.

      • vorpal 😼

        I’m not crazy about facebook but not having an account would make it very difficult to keep in touch with friends and family, since pretty much everyone in my life uses it, often to plan outings and social events.

        I don’t make many posts, keep everything friends-only, and only say things that I wouldn’t mind being publicly attributed to me.

        • jvc in NYC

          It’s called email and text, they can send one to you or everyone to say what’s needed. Very easy.

          • vorpal 😼

            Yes, they can, but expecting everyone to specifically cater to someone’s unwillingness to use a very common social media platform is pretty unreasonable.

            The major app used for texting communication in South America and many other parts of the world, WhatsApp, is also owned by Facebook. Nobody here sends normal texts: it is always via WhatsApp. You can’t even conduct many business transactions without it. Most doctors insist on using it to make appointments, receive prescription refill requests, etc.

            There are ways of using Facebook without giving it all of your personal information: create an account with a fake name and don’t post anything with it. But being all holier than thou “I refuse to use Facebook” (while probably still hypocritically having a twitter account) sounds about as impressive as those people who think they’re too good to own a TV.

          • Bad Tom

            Facebook requires a real name now. How they can be positive it’s really your name, I’m not sure, but if they learn it’s not your name, they can shut your account down.

          • vorpal 😼

            Yeah, I’ve heard that this has been the case for awhile, but I have at least five or six people on my friends list and another whack in communities I frequent that don’t use their real names and have empty accounts or ones with sparse / obviously fake information, so I doubt it’s particularly enforced unless you use your fake account to be a shit disturber.

          • Bad Tom

            The problem of scale. Fairly easy to hide in the chaff.

          • vorpal 😼

            (I should also mention that I think it’s a horrible idea for doctors and businesses to use something like WhatsApp to conduct their affairs, especially since I don’t want Facebook being made privy to my personal medical information, but the unfortunate reality is that – at least here – most people are unwilling to bother engaging you unless you use WhatsApp. I seriously wouldn’t be able to use the medical system here without it. Every professional referral I’ve gotten has been given over WhatsApp. Every transaction I’ve made with businesses in Santiago have been over WhatsApp. It’s asking for huge privacy violations, but it’s either that or be unable to participate in many functions of society.)

          • DonnaLee

            I’m there without my real name. I’m here with part of my real name, because I’m more real on this than FB.

        • Joe in Wyo

          I don’t really like facebook either. I do have an account but use it sparingly. One kind of cool thing about it is that I was able to make contact with some friends I had in Sweden 50 years ago. Without it I doubt I could have found them.

          • vorpal 😼

            Totally agree with this. I would prefer to use things other than Facebook, but as I said to @jvc1967:disqus , everyone in my life uses Facebook as the go-to place to organize, disseminate information, and make plans, and if I choose not to use it, I am inconveniencing them when I could just use Facebook in a way that doesn’t provide Facebook with any meaningful information about me.

            I’ve also managed to reconnect with dozens of people that I lost track of at some point in time but have really been happy to find again thanks to Facebook. I don’t think I would have otherwise had that opportunity.

            People are so high-and-mighty about Facebook that it’s kind of ridiculous. If you own a cellphone or use twitter or Google, you’re already providing companies with a lot of information on yourself. Yet, somehow, Facebook is one step too far.

            I’m glad that jvc in NYC was here to tell me what email and text are called. That was very informative of him!

      • Elagabalus

        Facebook is evil. I’ve never had an account with them and I never will. Somehow I manage to go on with my life. Go figure.

    • vorpal 😼

      Absolutely true. Same with Google.
      Wikipedia may be one of the rare exceptions to the rule, which is why I make a point of donating to them a few times a year.

    • GayOldLady

      Facebook is the armpit of the world. I hate that so many people are hooked on it.

      • SoCalGal20

        The only reason I still have it is because it’s the only way to stay in touch with some people in my circle.

    • Ann Kah

      How do I delete my account?

      • greenmanTN

        I don’t know. Never had one so I’ve never done it.

      • JCF

        It’s so sad, that this is a question for which the answer is not automatically known (that it’s not as easy as signing up for the damn thing—Lord knows, every time I’ve ever looked at ANY FB page, the Sign-Up bug pops up to block your view immediately)

  • Menergy

    I watched the interview with Rachel Maddow and admired the poise, the competent and thoughtful perspectives, analysis and criticisms Secretary Clinton delivered from a position of experience, wisdom, diplomacy, and without rancor or poisonous attacks. Definitely a glaring contrast to what the ShitGibbon throws around all the time in ignorance and incompetence.
    Such a loss for our country that she’s not in the Oval Office.

    • greenmanTN

      Can you imagine the deranged word salad that would have resulted if Trump had been asked the same questions?

      • Menergy

        Indeed!

      • Jonathan Smith

        hugely.

      • FAEN

        Something something something big hands, MAGA, yes on DACA, no on DACA, maybe on DACA, hoax by the Chinese, grabbing women by the pussy is fine, I love the poorly educated, I never play golf, Nazis are people too.

        “Mr President, I asked you about Russia remember?”

        • ted-

          LOL. For that, you deserve an eHUG!

          • FAEN

            Thanks man-I’ll take all the hugs I can get πŸ˜‰.

        • Professor Barnhardt

          And he’d be wearing the hat he’s selling.

          • Artsy

            I hear his hats are lined with tin foil.

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      • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

        On the plus side, we don’t mention Failin’ Pailin 3/4 as much.

    • another_steve

      Well said, Menergy.

      Hillary is a flawed person, but who among us is not. Her loss last November was a terrible tragedy for the nation.

      • Todd20036

        I’m perfect, and if you don’t believe me, ask me again tomorrow, and I’ll give you the EXACT SAME ANSWER!!

        • another_steve

          You? You’re a slut, you. Go to the Oxford English Dictionary and look up the word “slut.”

          A picture of you is there.

      • danolgb

        I’m actually tired of the “Hillary is a flawed person, but” qualifier. Do we ever say that about anyone else?

        • vorpal 😼

          Thank you! Agree completely.

          With Trump, we can just stop at, “Donnie is a flawed person.”

          No buts.

        • melllt

          I think thats just a defensive statement made to deflect the attention of bernie bros and stein supporters and trumpsters ie people that will cut off their nose to spite their face.
          I voted for Hillary because i knew she was the best person for the job.
          And because I’ve been around the block a time or two, and I’m not naive or self delusional, i voted knowing she wasn’t perfect.

          • danolgb

            But again, we never say that about anyone else. Nobody’s perfect. We should just start with that assumption. It doesn’t need to be said every time.

        • Jack Frost

          Yes, we do. About ever politician or President we’ve ever had.

          • JCF

            No we don’t. It’s a factual observation…but we don’t always (even usually) say it.

            “John McCain is a flawed person”: sound familiar? No, it doesn’t. “Marco Rubio is a flawed person”: nope, not that, either. “Joe Biden is a flawed person”: completely not! ONLY Hillary gets this explicit “she sorta sucks”, which is actually true of EVERY human being, ever.

      • Ann Kah

        Can you distinguish “flaw” from Russian/alt-right propaganda? There are plenty of patsies out there who cannot.

        • another_steve

          Well let’s not get too extremist-far left here, girl.

          The Clintons are flawed. Bill Clinton’s rendezvous with a young intern in the Oval Office of the White House could have easily gotten him removed from office, were it not for the fact that 1/2 of the senators voting on his removal probably had/have sexual indiscretions of their own to hide.

          Totally aside from that, Hillary Clinton has a certain, shall we say, “arrogance” about her. It cost her votes in the general election – even among some traditional Democrats. The way she handled the “email server” thing was not sterling. She eventually called it a mistake, but only after she was called out on it.

          All that said, I repeat: Her loss last November was a terrible tragedy for the nation.

          • Ann Kah

            Ouch! “Arrogance” sounds a lot like “uppity”, when you apply it to the female candidate without applying it (more appropriately) to the male candidate. In a male, it would be called “confidence”. (I speak from personal experience in that.)

            And as another oldie, I think I would chalk up the email thing to electronic naΓ―vetΓ© on the part of a generation that didn’t grow up with the internet.

          • another_steve

            Hillary Clinton possesses many traits, good and bad, but “naΓ―vetΓ©” isn’t one that I’d apply to her. Hillary Clinton is a very very experienced woman and politician.

            I once read something that stuck with me, Ann: A racist is a person who sees race as an issue where it doesn’t apply or belong. Understood that way, people who, for example, categorically label all cops, categorically and everywhere, as racist are themselves racist.

            Similarly, let me suggest to you that people who read sexism into an issue where it doesn’t belong (for example, into the innocent use of a word like “arrogance”) are themselves being sexist.

          • Ann Kah

            It seemed a startlingly inappropriate word to use for her, when you consider the arrogance of the man against whom she ran. Please forgive my “sexism” (/s, of course); I’ve had a lifetime of dealing with prejudice in this “man’s world”.

    • pete

      the disparity from what we have now hit home. we would be in such a different place! πŸ™

    • GeneInSJ

      I was so pleased watching that interview. I so wish she was in the White House and not that orange oaf.

  • Michael

    Just. Go. Away.

  • worstcultever

    (just posted this on FB lol)

    OK so when is it time to ditch Facebook for good. Zuckerberg is just another delusional trump wannabe who lucked into world-ruling $$ (in his twenties, no less) and in the 2016 election allowed his platform to be used for hate-mongering gaslighters, for a fucking nickel.

    Fairly soon I’ll be done with this bullshit site and post my email addy for anybody who wants to keep up.

    It’s not worth it. Also the FB page and organization continues to be a bigger and more insulting chaotic mess by the day.

    Oh and Zuck wants to run for prez now. Too hilarious. Sorry but we’re still dealing with clueless megalomaniacs on that front. Get back to us.

  • FAEN

    If you haven’t watched this I urge you to.

    • worstcultever

      Saving it for the afternoon. I know it’s gonna kill me.

    • another_steve

      Rachel deserves a lot of credit for that interview.

      Superbly conducted.

      • bzrd

        two intelligent women having a meaningful conversation

        • Amanda B. Rekendwith

          On TV news? WHAT is this world coming to??

  • Blake J Butler

    So the “hot cop” that people have been eye goggling over in Florida helping after Irma, is a neo-nazi.

    500k likes and he had a FB account until not too long ago where he made antisemitic comments and comments on people “abusing the government” should be taken care of hitler style.

    https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21740226_1543259695712943_3074572761519345123_n.jpg?oh=4914efaf601462fefa86d40d93a9a07f&oe=5A510654

    https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21731125_1543259692379610_2245957163966034807_n.jpg?oh=cbb19fad71927afc3f3d6778bbb00ac8&oe=5A498307

    https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21751874_1543259732379606_5966689582497432857_n.jpg?oh=8dbdea5c39c709d1f2085a08335d9874&oe=5A4BC8B4

    • FAEN

      What an asshole!

    • KCMC

      Too pretty to be good. Sad.

    • Gigi

      What an ugly man.

    • Todd20036

      My god, 2017, and we are STILL dealing with this shit.

    • Treant

      Back right is way hotter, anyway.

  • Joe in PA

    Oh the irony…I had numerous friends on FACEBOOK! comment and suggest watching this interview. πŸ™‚

    • FAEN

      HA! Good to see you Joe.

      • Joe in PA

        You too F…I’ve been in your neck of the woods for a few days: DC. What a lovely (crowded and loud) city! πŸ™‚

        • FAEN

          That’s cool Joe 😊.

  • I’m 15 minutes into this interview. Damn. I have my issues with Sec Clinton (and have been vocal about them) but she’s so smart and understands complex, nuanced issues. If we had an electorate that was interested in understanding what’s going on in the world she would have won with the kind of numbers Macron got over LePen. But we don’t. At least half the country is too lazy and/or stupid to want to talk about any issue of substance beyond the talking points they memorized from Rush, Hannity or Alex Jones. That’s what’s wrong and it’s not going away. We are fucked.

    • Part of the trouble about an electorate that isn’t educated on the issues can be blamed on high schools. Back a million years ago when rocks were still soft and I was in high school, we had a semester each year about current events and we were required to read a local newspaper every day, and write an essay on what articles we thought were “important” . During elections we would discuss and debate the different candidates, we understood the need to keep informed, and the newspapers did a better job of doing so. Then came the age of the “news” broadcasts that are mostly fluff and car chases and news about the famous.

    • netman extraordinaire

      But she had a personal email server so naturally, she had to go. It all makes perfect sense doesn’t it? /s

    • JCF

      I loved it when she went into parody-the-misogynist voice: “I would have voted for another woman!”

      Hillary KNOWS the fucking score. >:-/

    • prixator

      The U.S. electorate seems to have become extremely tribal, so too many people will only vote for someone on their “team” – no matter how unqualified.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
    • Bad Tom

      And Trump’s got THREE goin’ agin’ him.
      So far.

    • penpal

      Yeah, hilarious. Their campaign was utterly effective against her and she was incapable of dong anything about it.

  • bkmn

    If companies are people then they should be prosecuted for their transgressions.

  • Gerry Fisher

    IMO, it’s a little too soon right now, but at some point it would help if Hillary’s activism and public appearances took on more focus. Something other than analyzing the last election (I think there are better avenues for that, with Mueller’s investigation being at the top of the list). She’s super bright and experienced, and she has a following. She can do a LOT of good. But I think it needs to be focused on “an issue or two.” Something strategic, do-able, and necessary for the country moving forward.

    Wagging a finger at Facebook doesn’t fall into that category, IMO. I mean, this is the woman who was married to her Blackberry and couldn’t see the email-server situation coming from a mile away.

    • Gerry Fisher

      Excellent interview. I think the most telling part may have been the look on her face as they went to the commercial break in between segments. It had a “holy sh&t, things are bad” look to her expression.

      • marachne

        I was waiting for Rachel, who is Very Good at worrying to just start quivering with fear…but she was in her grove. Afterwards, last night? I wonder if she got any sleep.

        Her interviewing skills have improved dramatically

    • Ross

      You know, Hillary can wag a finger at Facebook and be focused on an issue or two.

      Also, she did mention her focus for the future, which IS strategic, do-able, and necessary for the country moving forward.

  • pete

    well, the 2016 campaign had new aspects. Facebook is learning like the rest of us. social media should be subject to the same restrictions as mass media.

  • boobert

    I was expecting trump tweets over the Hillary/Rachel talk this morning. Instead we got a series of senseless ones. There was that stupid one about eliminating the filibuster and now he wants to stop the internet. Silly man ! https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/908643633901039617

    • GayOldLady

      DJT: We need to cut you off from the internet, you nincompoop.

    • Ann Kah

      I wish he were merely “silly”. But he is a silly man with a big microphone and an even bigger military, not to mention nukes. I choose not to die for his silliness.

    • popebuck1

      Silly – as if 45 would ever watch Rachel Maddow.

  • Ranger One

    Certain words may be the the cure. “Fool,” “Brat,” idiot. Restraint may not be a friend to women figures in these times. It may be language, force that wins. The 50’s housewife has to to die her dear death.

  • easygoingmister

    It would take an evening by the bonfire with several bottles of wine & bourbon passing around to explain my absolute distaste for Facebook and all that app disruption shit.

    • ZRAinSWVA

      Agreed. I can see the benefit of people being able to easily share information, BUT I also see it’s creating a *me* *me* *me* culture, one that I find incredibly distasteful. And that so many folks rely on Facebook as their sole source of news is just abominable.

    • Ann Kah

      I liked it, at first. My artist friends and my artist groups shared visual images of our work, so for a while it was exactly what I needed and I was very happy. Then political commentary took over, so I’m done with it.

  • easygoingmister

    I missed this (my guy found a new season of Shameless on the Netflix last night so until it is completed…well, you get the picture) anyone have a link handy for it to share?

    • easygoingmister

      Um, well, um..my bad..I see the YouTube above now. (embarrassed).

  • CharlestonDave

    Comparing this to the Anderson Cooper interview the night before, I’m struck by how much better Rachel’s version was.

    Obviously there were differences in format. Rachel skipped her usual opening monologue and concentrated on her one guest. She’d ask an open question, something deeper than “I read this sentence in your book, explain that,” and we’d experience an in-depth answer that was meaningful and elucidating. The process was conversational.

    Anderson’s interview was dispensed a minute or two at a time (after being teased for an inordinate time in the first part of his show). The questions he posed seemed more rote, read slowly from a list, and got flat answers of the form, “As I wrote in the book, …” and after each minute or two of the interview we had to suffer through the usual shoutfest panel of CNN talking heads telling us what we just heard. Maybe he was just tired after getting drenched in Florida.

    I’m finding CNN (and Anderson in particular) to be harder and harder to watch lately. Anderson seems increasingly disinterested in what he’s churning out (and let’s not even get started on the pomposity of Wolf Blitzer). Maybe Anderson’s $11M a year is making him phone it in. He even remarked he’d read Hillary’s book the weekend before; he liked it better than he thought he would, then whined that politicians usually write books that he hates reading but has to for his job.

    Rachel did a much better job with the interview.

    • Daveed_WOW

      CNN is crap. It doesn’t seem to matter who’s running the interview. It’s a corporate philosophy to feed us infotainment.

      • Ann Kah

        “FOX lite”?

        • Daveed_WOW

          Less mean, but just as dumb.

          • CharlestonDave

            I listened (or used to listen) to CNN in the car via Sirius simulcast. Anderson has gotten unlistenable. Sometimes there are half a dozen people shouting over each other. It’s degraded to AM talk radio quality.

      • CharlestonDave

        It’s got to be challenging to take 5 minutes of daily news and use it to fill 24 hours of on-air coverage. Unfortunately, the constant provocations by the Trump regime are meth for the news agencies. Every time they think they can take a breath, another tweet happens and they’re back to “breaking news.”

        Oh, and just to kick the dying CNN horse a bit more, my other gripes include:

        1. Wolf’s interviews seem designed to manipulate guests into saying something controversial on the record.

        2. Most of the conservatives they invite are incredibly irritating. Jeff Lord is gone, of course. Now we have radio talk-show host Ben Ferguson, who talks over everybody (especially the women). I know somebody here is thinking “but all conservatives are like that” but couldn’t CNN try a little bit harder?

        • Daveed_WOW

          There’s virtually no reporting. It’s all talking heads repeating gossip. They keep stables of “experts” standing by because it’s cheaper than paying journalists. Sad.

    • Snarky

      Rachel really crafted an interesting interview. Other than the mentions of the new book as they were going to & coming back from breaks, you would hardly know Clinton was on a book tour. It was a thoughtful, freewheeling* interview based largely on the news on the day, and the events during the general election.

      It was so goddamn refreshing to see Clinton, just because she has a grasp of world events and issues, and she can articulate them with nuance and depth.

      *to the degree that Clinton can be described as “freewheeling,” that is. A lifetime marinating in politics tends to strip you of spontaneity.

  • Gerry Fisher

    [Just finished the interview, which was great on both women’s part] Earlier this morning, I read a few pieces about chemsex on GayStarNews. One article made the point that internalized homophobia and low self-esteem set the stage for drug use and abuse, and negative consequences that flow from that. The author referred to something with which most of us are familiar: When you’re told since early childhood that LGBT people are abominations and threats to children and undermining Western Civilization, it’s this intense effort to shame you and make you feel bad. It’s understandable that some of us would pick up drugs as a way to feel good in response to that kind of hammering.

    That made me think about my opinions about Hillary, someone about whom I’ve straddled a line between supporting her policies and having a few things about her political approach that really bother me. One of the things that came across in this interview was that she has *such* a good heart, and we’ll file that alongside the intelligence and skill and policy experience. It then made me reflect on how she can be guarded or awkward or narrowly focused within her bubble (and yet justifying it with “what she’s read”…with the “super predator” comment from the 90s being a prime example in that she “read” that but didn’t have broad enough apolitical experience to refute or temper it). This seemed to highlight for me what it must have been like to be purposefully mis-portrayed, used as a punching bag, used as a litmus test, and tethered to her husband’s behaviors and legacy…FOR 40 YEARS.

    In light of the “awkwardness” that drives me so nuts about her, it helped me to feel more compassion. And respect that she’s been able to do as well as she’s been able to do given what she’s been through. It’s really hard to be open and (reasonably, appropriately) vulnerable and smooth, and articulate from a “common social experience” when you’ve had to protect yourself and play defense for 40 years.

    I hope she enjoys her time away from politics. She deserves more opportunity to “just be a grandma and enjoy life.” She’s been robbed of it pretty much since her husband got elected governor.

    • Ann Kah

      She, as a political wife and then as a politician, must have a lifetime’s practice in guarded speech. That’s called “thinking before you speak”, and in most places it’s a valued quality. We now have the opposite in the Oval Office, the twit who tweets before engaging brain. (And got elected in spite of/ because of it; many of his supporters seemed to think he was playing a part, but would act presidential once he got into office. But no – WYSIWYG.)

      “Openness” is a highly overrated commodity in the world of politics.

  • Mike Knife

    The FBI screwed her.

    • Ross

      AND the media AND Bernie AND Russia AND…

      • leastyebejudged

        Screw me once, shame on you.

        • bobbybear.i.am

          Screw me 4 times it’s the weekend.

  • I love dim sum

    This sociopathic narcissist will never go away, it seems. I love how she blames Russia for the election, but the Clinton Foundation had no problem with selling American uranium mines to the Russian government several years ago. Also, she had no problem with the US interfering in Russian elections in the 90s, since Yeltsin could be used as a pro-US lapdog.

    Does Hillary want the US to have a nuclear war with Russia just because her narcissism won’t allow her to accept defeat? Probably.

    • Jack Frost

      Um, wut?

      Is this a troll-bot account? Rare to see one on JMG.

      Move along troll, move along!

      • I love dim sum

        The only trolls are the people that peddle this 1950s McCarthy-esque Red Scare conspiracy theory. I take the Russia pro-war saber rattling about as believable as the ‘Obama is really Kenyan’ and Benghazi nonsense.

        If you want to see this escalate into a full blown war with Russia, then you are the troll.

        • Jack Frost

          I dont feed the trolls. You’ll have a rude awakening when Mueller is done with his investigation.

          Until then, keep your head in the sand at your own peril.

    • Friday’s_cat

      The facade crumbles with the. Uranium Lie. Should be Dim Son Trumpbot. GFY.

  • penpal

    She doesn’t know how to play the game and then blames everyone else for her loss. Wow, so presidential. Thanks for giving us 4 years of Trump, you incompetent boob.

    • I love dim sum

      Does anybody think that Hillary is helping the Democratic party? We are going to end up with 2 terms of Trump because of her.

      • penpal

        She couldn’t win her way out of a wet paper bag and yet she believes she’s qualified to lead the way for the next generation of Democrats. She’s delusional and is only going to pave the way for future losses.

        • Jean-Marc in Canada

          Calm down you drama queen, she’s not running again.

        • danolgb

          She won the primaries by about 4 million votes. And she actually did win the popular vote. She’s also won 2 terms as Senator until picked up to be Secretary of State. I’m not sure you know the definition of winning or qualified.

          • penpal

            Popular votes don’t win presidential elections. Please consult your local constitution for further information.

          • danolgb

            I know that.. but she’s still a winner more than you whiners who can’t seem to get over Bernie’s legitimate loss. She beat him easily. It took 20+ years of lies and you idiots repeating the same bullshit of the right to barely hand Trump the presidency. You seem proud of that.

          • penpal

            Hillary’s more of a winner than me!! Haha, that’s very true!! Thanks for the laugh.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada
        • I love dim sum

          I can tell you right now that I won’t be voting for anybody that could be described as points 1-5 of your amusing .gif.

          I voted for Jill Stein in 2016, so if you think I’m going to vote for Kamala Harris or some Hillary clone, you can jog on.

          It looks like the Hillary supporters haven’t learned a single thing from their defeat.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            Well, that’s ok. You’re obviously a Trump supporter by proxy so no amount of logic, common sense, pragmatism, etc. will get through to you. Enjoy goosestepping into the figurative ovens when the GOP solidifies their hold on all three branches because you were too busy having a tantrum.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/25c4bd5d0c52685441bbc13ae16031d9b86dd6d2f37d396fb188a90fdef69e7c.jpg

            As for my gif (which is, in fact, merely a graphic), nothing contained within either of them is amusing. They are quite serious and should be taken as such; that you see them as humourous, speak volumes to your obviously stunted intelligence…I’ve made note of it. Beyond that, it’s your nation to destroy, the rest of us can only hope to contain the inevitable blast.

          • I love dim sum

            I wasn’t impressed with the scaremongering last year, and the fact the Hillary supporters are doubling down on it even now proves that they have absolutely nothing to offer.

            I’m so glad I changed my registration to Green Party. I would actually be so embarrassed if I voted for Hillary last year after reading her whiny book that just came out. She makes Nixon look normal.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            It’s not doubling down, it’s holding you responsible for your part in electing Trump and then you bitching about it. But hey, you’re obviously happy with the way SCOTUS is going to go and clearly have no issue with LGBT’s, women and others more than likely having their rights whittled away because you had a tantrum. It’s all good.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      Oh look everyone, someone’s Sarandoning….

  • Tempus Fuggit

    we’re not going to let the Russians come in and divide us.

    Oh? Β»glances aroundΒ« Could’ve fooled me.

  • leastyebejudged

    Facebook, the Russians, Fake News, and that FBI thing.

    Seems almost like it was carefully orchestrated to assure failure.