NEW RECORD: How Low Can Trump Go?

The Hill reports:

President Trump’s approval rating is at an all-time low in a new poll amid losses in support from key demographics. Trump’s approval rating is at 32 percent in the latest IBD/TIPP poll, down 5 points from July. Fifty-nine percent of respondents say they disapprove of the job he’s doing.

The poll’s director, Raghavan Mayur, said that the mounting Russia investigation, coupled with chaos in the White House and the failure to repeal ObamaCare, are all contributing factors to Trump’s mounting unpopularity.

A majority of Americans polled who say they follow the Russia investigation closely, 65 percent, say they believe Trump’s campaign colluded with Moscow in some form. Those numbers include 30 percent of Republicans and 64 percent of independents.

  • Bluto
    • kaydenpat

      And how low will he drag down this country and its prestige?

      • Vista-Cruiser

        Any prestige it had was lost when George W. Bush was president.

    breathe again..
    what really gets me about this is that President Putz says his base is more loyal than ever before. that may be true. but that singular base cannot get you reelected.

    • Todd20036

      Um… well…..

      • ted-

        Yeah, I know… However, I do hope we’re wrong and he’s not re-elected. Instead, I hope he’s in jail.

    • FAEN

      But suppressing the vote,
      misinformation and voter apathy can.

      • kaydenpat

        If Trump’s horrible presidency doesn’t get folks up off the couch in 2020 then I don’t know what will.

        • FAEN

          I hear ya.

          • Ninja0980

            So do I.

        • Harley

          2020 hell. 2018 we need to seize control of at least the senate. That way the senate can bring back Merrick Garland on the next SCOTUS vacancy, legally nominated by a sitting president. Two parties can play that game, and the republicans already established the nuclear option.

    • Bob Black

      All you need to win is to win the right counties in the right states. Majorities mean nothing.

      • -M-

        Thanks to the electoral college you can be elected President with 27% of the national popular vote. Add in various forms of voter suppression…

        • Stephen Elliot Phillips

          “managed democracy”

    • kaydenpat

      I don’t just want him not to be re-elected. I want him to be humiliated by Mueller. He deserves to leave office in utter shame and with a jail sentence hanging over his head.

      • boatboy_srq

        Non-stop from the White House to the Big House. Works for me.

        • John

          If he thinks the White House is a dump, just wait ’till he sees the Big House. ROFL

      • Rambie

        I want not just him, but the entire GOP humiliated for allowing this shitgibbon to remain in office for so long

      • Ninja0980

        I want the whole Republican party to go down with him too.

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      • Gerry Fisher

        A husbear who shall remain nameless says, “I want to see him in jail.” (Suffer a consequence.)

      • Harley

        Time for the torches and pitchforks on the whitehouse lawn.

    • zhera

      I see you laughing and all, but… looking at that graphic I need someone to explain to me what happened in January ’17?

      The line goes up and is levelled, and then: Boom! What happened?!?!+11!

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        1) The New Year’s Eve buzz wore off.
        2) The Inauguration warm and fuzzies wore off (right about the time that he started complaining about crowd size).
        3) He actually spoke as the Leader of the United States, not just another campaigner/complainer and more people realized “Wow, we’re fucked now.”

        • zhera

          Shit, I forgot to put a /s on my comment! Sorry.

      • FuzzyOtter

        I was thinking the poll showed the approval rating for the office of the president so the numbers prior to January were Obama’s? The title states Presidential Job Approval, not Trump Job Approval.

      • We switched presidents in Jan 2017.

    • Gerry Fisher

      IMO, as best I can guess, his actions in recent weeks were desperate attempts to get that 35% to 40% to stick, stay put, stabilize. It appears not to be working…he’s still slowly bleeding support. Not that we have much control over this, but let’s hope he doesn’t gravitate toward a desperate but almost sure-fire way to boost the approval: war.

  • Christopher
  • Tor

    It’s almost as if Republicans will believe anything the party tells them.

    • Todd20036

      Reminds one of religion, don’t it?

    • Interestingly enough, attitudes were similar for Nixon. His GOP support remained reasonably strong even through the threatened impeachment and subsequent resignation.

      And playing devil’s advocate here for a moment, yeah, Clinton’s affairs were a bullshit way to go after him. But the idiot did lie and prevaricate under oath. Not saying it was impeachment-worthy by any measure, but the partisan divide on poll numbers then was just as evident.

      It’ll be the same with Donald, no matter how corrupt he’s shown to be. On the other hand, a growing number of GOPers are saying he’s not fit for the job…

      • Smokey

        You’re right, Nixon kept his base’s support until the end. Of course the next day you would be pressed to find anyone who would admit that they had voted for him.

  • Smokey
  • These shitty poll ratings are based on Trump himself, not in reaction to anything he’s actually managed to do, save make it clear he’s willing to shit on the poor and middle class if given the opportunity.

    There have been no major natural disasters to fuck up. No major terrorist attacks. No new wars. No economic collapse (yet). The most visible evidence of his presidency has been his jackbooted ICE thugs rounding up otherwise law-abiding undocumented immigrants and deporting them wholesale.

    It’s also a mistake to describe “his failure to repeal Obamacare” as among the reasons for the shitty approval numbers. As we learned, Republican voters for the most part do not want ACA simply repealed. They believed Trump’s (and the GOP’s) lies that it would be replaced with something better—but every version of the GOP’s bills would’ve thrown millions off insurance and skyrocketed medical costs for everyone else. Never forget: The GOP’s repeal/replace bills themselves had only 17% approval, with some polls showing it in the single digits.

    Had AHCA/BCRA in any version passed, it would not have helped Donald’s or the GOP’s poll numbers.

    These polls are based mainly on his feckless indifference to doing the job, the constant lying, the constant vacationing, and the reckless, irresponsible tweeting. All it’ll take is something big happening, with the expected complete White House fuckup, and his numbers will collapse into the low 20s. (Yes, there will always be diehard fans. About 1 in 4 or 5 Americans is deplorably irredeemable.)

    • Bob Black

      I am married to a Teamster and we get gold-plated health benefits that cost us zilch. I have come to a point where I say let ’em repeal it. It probably won’t affect us at all and there is no other way the Trumpers are going to learn. Fuck ’em. Repeal it and let ’em suffer. I absolutely positively WILL be saying “I told you so”.

      • Smokey

        As much as they deserve that attitude, throwing the health care industry into disarray will harm all of us, even those with gold-plated plans.

      • zhera

        And fuck all the non-Trumpers as well? Don’t be an asshole. There are people right here on JMG who will be RUINED if they lose ACA.

        • Seriously. Talk about having blinders to other people’s suffering.

          I’ll *gladly* fight for continued healthcare for even stupid-ass Trump voters.

      • That’s an extremely selfish thing to say, Mr. Black. “I got mine, so fuck everyone else”?

        I’m 54 and self-employed. Without ACA, I have no insurance. And my PreEx are minor ones–migraines, seasonal allergies. I shudder to think you have that attitude for someone who is currently in chemo or has a sick child.

        Please reconsider your disdain for other people just because YOU are lucky enough to have a gold-plated health plan.

    • kaydenpat

      “It’s also a mistake to describe “his failure to repeal Obamacare” as among the reasons for the shitty approval numbers”

      Agreed. I was side- eyeing that part of the article. Nobody would benefit from repealing the ACA except wealthy folks who would get a tax cut. I assume that the majority of Trump voters are well below that level.

    • Rambie

      But if the GOP’ers get bigger margins in 2018 I see them going back after the ACA again.

      • Sure, if they completely subvert and steal the elections. Which is increasingly likely.

        • Rambie

          They’ve done it before.

  • bkmn

    Trump’s core supporters are about 25% so that is where his floor is.

    • About right.

    • Uncle Mark

      “What the fuck is that Brownshirt peasant doing here on my private greens?” “Why do they feel entitled to trespass into my club…just because they voted for me?”

      • kaydenpat

        “Shoot them”. “Knock them the hell out”.

    • FAEN

      Do they care? I wonder some days if it’s just about sticking it to President Obama than actually voting for a better life.

      • boatboy_srq

        Of course it’s about sticking it to Obama. He is, after all, the ultimate Other Person™.

      • Ninja0980

        That is all that matters to some folks.
        As they as they are ticking off the libtards, they don’t care about anything else.

  • Jonathan Smith
  • PickyPecker

    How low can you go? How low can you go?

    • kaydenpat


    • Oscarlating Wildely

      Um…. holy shit….

    • THESE are the angles which bring down a President.

      • boatboy_srq

        As opposed to the (unreformed) Angles that (s)elected tRump as pResident.

      • JCF

        AND to tie EVERY RETHUG to!

    • kaydenpat

      Oddly, all of these characteristics were plainly in evidence long before November 2016. Sigh.

    • boatboy_srq

      But all of these are what they said they wanted, aren’t they?

  • AtticusP
  • PickyPecker
    • kaydenpat

      Hilarious!! Love the friend running down the road with the popcorn. I guess this is a riff on “Get Out”.

  • Leo

    I need him at 30 in at least one poll tracked by RCP averages by Thanksgiving.

    • kaydenpat

      He’s working hard to get there. Believe me!!

  • Karl Dubhe

    He’ll beat Dubya, not a doubt in my mind.

  • StillALiberal

    Lowest approval ratings by Gallup (polling since 1937) for each president >

    Nixon / Truman 22%
    Bush W 25%
    Carter 28%
    Bush HW 29%
    Johnson 34%
    Reagan 35%
    Trump 35% (so far)

    Plenty room for improvement Donnie !

    • kaydenpat

      It must kill him that President Obama is not on that list. LOL.

      • Lantor

        What was Obama’s lowest? Low 40s?

        • StillALiberal

          38% (09/05/14)

        • kaydenpat

          I believe so. Never in the 30’s to the best of my recollection.

  • safari
    • sfjohn

      He’s correct, just not the way he thinks so………..

    • Rex

      I guess it would be pretty rare to not achieve anything of substance.

    • crewman

      When reading fortune cookies, we all know the little joke of appending “in between the sheets” to the end of the fortune. With Trump we should append “or the opposite of what I just said” to everything he says.

      • -M-

        Everything he says is intended for effect.

    • Achieved…what exactly? He’s certainly turned America into a loathed and ridiculed international pariah, with allies bailing left and right. Aside from that, nothing.

      • boatboy_srq

        The New Isolationism is off to a great start.

    • FAEN

      Alt universe speak.

    • To be fair, this is the only (and expected) response from a psychotic pathological malignant narcissist. He’s incapable of accepting criticism or anything negative said about him…and so he retreats ever further into his fantasies and delusions.

      Unfortunately, his refusal to accept reality is further evidence he needs to be removed from office ASAP.

      • -M-

        Also obfuscation is his one skill.

        • Narcissists do have skill sets. Obfuscation, holding to lies even after they’ve been disproven, gas-lighting, psychological manipulation, etc.

    • kaydenpat

      What accomplishments? I didn’t like Reagan, but I can admit that he accomplished many things (even if I didn’t agree with most of them). Trump has accomplished nothing beyond rolling back some Obama-era Executive Orders.

    • boatboy_srq

      Well, he’s certainly had more weekends, and interrupted more weddings, than his predecessors…

  • fkevin

    The numbers are not low enough.

    In the key 2018 battlegrounds, Trump’s support is as high as ever:

    • Lazycrockett

      I just think the idiots that elected him don’t want to admit they made a mistake this early in the year in Drumpf’s presidency.

      • Gustav2

        But they will justify their vote for other Republicans because Trump is not a Real Republican™

      • Bob Black

        They will NEVER turn against him. That would be saying that we Liberals were right. They will burn this country down before they will say they were wrong.

  • crewman

    There’s such a weird national cognitive dissonance now. There’s this narrative, that everyone is on to Trump; they know he’s a liar, that his campaign colluded with Russia, that he’s a failure as a President. Then there’s Trump’s narrative and Trump’s actions, which are spinning the country towards fascism and calls for civil war. It’s gaslighting at its worst. And it’s very dangerous. The sooner we get rid of him the better.

    • More than a few have noted it’s been to the country’s benefit that Donald and his administration are such incompetent fascist authoritarians. But it’s a cold comfort.

      • crewman

        Thank god for their incompetence.

      • Pat

        Gary Kasparov tweeted that America has always run on the honor system. It is so true, when you think about it. The rule of law has always been respected, for the most part, because it was an honor system in which we all tacitly agree to respect and follow our constitution, and our laws.

        This administration is lawless and without honor. It doesn’t honor the rule of law, but all of this was apparent during the campaign from a man who didn’t pay taxes and just as much said that people who do pay taxes are stupid. And it gets worse from there, because there is no law, no unspoken rule, no fundamental civility or decency that this lowlife criminal grifter, Bannon, Miller or Gorka are unwilling to flout, to shit on and mock, all the while scapegoating the Clintons and liberals for their own amorality and criminality. And the asshole core believes this.

        For the rest of us, it probably was best that an attempt at authoritarianism and fascism came wrapped in the most blatantly inept, corrupt administration in history. They will be forced out eventually, through the law and also through the GOP when their own jobs are on the line. If we are very lucky, we will have a congress and, eventually a president who will get down to the hard task of codifying and legislating everything necessary to make sure a disaster of this proportion never happens again with someone slicker, more subtle and politically savvy. /rant

    • The New Paige Turner™

      Very well put. We can all see it but they are still trying to gaslight.

  • FormerMainer

    There will always be some, limited core support. While I don’t see Moscow or other scandals are being particularly damaging to his core support, his lack of effectiveness will be.

  • FAEN

    I think 32 is still too high

    • Gianni

      I agree! I am so hoping that one of these days, one of the respected and thorough polling organizations announces a solid fall into the 20’s percent – 28% or 27% would be a good start. That way Donnie will be an undeniable record setter! The Republican Congressional Rats will jump ship like it’s the Titanic.

  • Uncle Mark

    I bet the numbers can go so low, they’ll dig themselves to Jina

  • kareemachan

    I’ve been re-reading some favorite mystery authors, and this struck me as SO appropriate. The book is ‘Murder at the Savoy’ by Maj Sjowall and Per Wahloo. The following passage is about the murder victim and his business partner:

    ‘These people, Broberg and Palmgren, weren’t like us. I mean, they do have a lot of money, especially Palmgren. But they lack style and finesse. They’re ruthless businessmen who step on everyone and everything in their way. I’ve heard that Broberg is a profiteer and that Palmgren did some very questionable business abroad. For people like that, their money does give them admission to all the most select circles, but they still lack something. They’ll never be completely accepted. His (Palmgren’s) fortune gave him influence pretty much everywhere. You must realize that this society has grown dependent on people like him. In many cases, they have more leverage in the way the country’s run than the government.’

    Sound like anyone we all know and detest?

  • Boreal
    • Gianni

      Thanks! Now I have to look at some porn to steer my mind away from this image. Good thing I like porn! 🙂

  • Boreal
  • Lazycrockett

    Well we will see if these numbers have any effect on the Republican controlled Congress when they go back to work.

  • FAEN

    While his numbers continue to crater I want to see Dems attacking on all flanks.

  • netxtown

    Going down is a good thing……

    • Jonathan Smith

      not in a presidency.

      • netxtown

        in this one it is.

  • kaydenpat

    32% is still a little high given how chaotic, incompetent and bizarre Trump’s presidency has been so far. There are times when you laugh because of the unintentional comedy provided by characters like The Mooch and Spicey but at other times you gasp in horror at Trump’s childish antics and temper tantrums.

    This regime has been a mess. The sooner it is over, the better for the world.

    • boatboy_srq

      32% is only crazification factor plus 5%. So there’s not very much lower Lord Dampnut can drop.

  • TrueWords
  • Consider this: Let’s say North Korea launches an attack on Seoul or some other target.

    This Administration will have to have someone OTHER than Donald make the announcements because nobody but his most ardent supporters believe him.

    • OdieDenCO

      betting we hear from Europe before donny & co released the info.

    • Lantor

      My bet is the military leaks it to major news outlets.

  • Princess Lardass

    I’m shocked. So, so shocked.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Although Dumpf can certainly get lower, no one is more flexible wiggling under the Limbo Bar than Bannon.
    (according to the Mooch)

  • Stubenville

    Are fractions allowed?

    • Hue-Man


  • Vista-Cruiser

    As long as Democrats continue to sit out elections, it really doesn’t matter how low Trump’s approval rating sinks.

  • boobert

    More important is if he will launch nukes to get the numbers up!

    • Gianni

      Donnie well knows that bombing something makes the numbers shoot up immediately. Since he’s all about ratings and numbers, two plus two equals four!

  • 5moreminutes*imtired
  • Franciscan

    What is the logic of including data about his popularity before he assumed office? He was not the President then. The data are not comparable.

    • Gregory In Seattle

      1. It reflects his popularity as a candidate. This can be very useful to show how reality has changed the marketing.

      2. Such data has been included with every president ever since this kind of polling has been done. To exclude it for Trump alone would be dishonest.

  • Gregory In Seattle

    In six months, he’s at the same low rating that Shrub took seven years to reach.

  • Gerry Fisher

    Pundits say that 30% approval rating is the magic number, that the Republican elite will see him as an albatross at that point. We’re almost there!

  • W got down to 24% so I think that may be the absolute floor for a Republican. He still has a way to go.

    • jamesparson

      It took 8 years for W. to get there. I think Trump can pull that off by the end of the year.

  • leastyebejudged

    lol, at one point 55% of voters approved, lolol, fuck america.