On Why Gay Men Love Musicals [VIDEOS]

Here’s an entertaining pair of videos in which the narrator explores the famed passion that many gay men have for musical theater. Watch below as he examines the careers of Cole Porter, Noel Coward, Lorenz Hart, and other famed gay composers. More from the San Diego Gay & Lesbian News:

Mr. Musical Theatre Mash, or as he likes to be called “Mr. Mash,” has done some digging into the history of the musical and found that lyricists often masked their love of the same sex buy writing songs filled with innuendo, only to have woman sing them.

In one blaring example Mr. Mash uses 1953’s “Kiss Me Kate” in which Ann Miller’s character sings about her cravings for a man – any man: “I’m a maid mad to marry, and will take double-quick; any Tom, Dick or Harry…any Tom, Harry or Dick! A dicka-dick, a dicka-dick, a dicka-dick…”

The term “dick,” as innuendo for the male reproductive organ, has been used as slang since the times of Shakespeare.

Perhaps the above song is only a referencing a popular phrase which has ironically come to mean “unspecified person,” but take into consideration the man who wrote it, Cole Porter.

  • Gustav2

    Stop it, it is genetic. Get over it.

    • another_steve

      Thank you.

      The Gay Gene is related to the Flamboyance Gene.

      • Gustav2

        But sometimes the Flamboyance Gene is recessive.

        • another_steve

          The man and I don’t have those guys over for Sunday brunch.

          • Gustav2

            BIGOT! 😉

    • GeoffreyPS

      I love most musicals but I dislike West Side Story and Hello Dolly. Am I a mutant?

      Favorite musical: Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. I love the enthusiasm in the barn raising dance off.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TygmMPbwfjA

      • ohbear1957

        I watch it for the male dancers’ behinds. Such a crush on Matt Mattox – facial hair, gold shirt / brown pants, and a fabulous ass.

        • Christopher Smith

          JACQUES D’AMBOISE!!!!

          • ohbear1957

            Yes! Simultaneously, please.

          • Christopher Smith

            Did you receive my email? Not sure….haven’t gotten a reply….

          • ohbear1957

            Yes and replied. Will try again.

          • ohbear1957

            yes, re-sent

  • KQCA

    Is there something wrong with me? I can’t stand musicals. Will I be kicked out of the club?

    • Exatron

      I’m not normally a fan of them either; although, I did enjoy The Producers.

    • Gustav2

      Well, you could take a test. I’m sure several here would be glad to administer the test.

      • Jeffrey

        I’m a certified test administrator, can I help?

        • KQCA

          I may be a lost cause. When I was a kid I thought The Wizard of Oz would’ve been a good story if the songs didn’t keep interrupting it and bringing it to a halt. I’m doomed.

          • Jeffrey

            Then for god’s sake don’t go see Wicked!

          • Gustav2

            It’s alright, I could never stand Ethel Merman.

          • Derrick Johns

            Oh, for God’s sake. You’re pulling a Donald Trump on us this evening. You are a plant.

          • KQCA

            ROFL

      • KQCA

        I’ll study up. I hope it’s multiple choice and we can use notes, or I’m sunk.

    • another_steve

      We would attach your brain to electrodes and have you watch Babs in “Funny Girl.”

      If there’s no response, you’d have to surrender your gay card.

      • KQCA

        This may not be the time to confess I’ve never cared for Streisand’s singing or acting. I’ll probably be kidnapped and euthanized by dinner time tonight. That gay mafia surely won’t let this slide.

        • B Snow

          You’re just lucky you didn’t say that about Beyonce.

          http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/the-beygency/2778993

          • KQCA

            OMG that’s funny. I hadn’t seen that sketch. It’s perfect.

          • B Snow

            I share it all the time, it’s one of the funniest things they’ve done since they stopped having Lonely Island videos. Having watched all seasons of “24”, I especially liked the cameos. 😀

        • another_steve

          I forgive you. I may be a biased observer.

          I’m a Jew of Jewish Streisand’s generation who, like her, grew up in Brooklyn NY. The high school she attended was a short subway ride away from where I lived at the time.

          Had my parents made a residential move or two, I might have met her, back then.

          • KQCA

            Thank you. I will be glad to do the dishes and clean up after your next Seder. The least I can do to make it up. 😉

        • My favourite Streisand moment is the look on her face when in Hello Dolly she realises that she is being totally upstaged by Lewis Armstrong.

      • FancyThat

        If this doesn’t help, there may be no help in this whole wide world…..
        https://youtu.be/v1Qgjb1AVxY

        Alan & Marilyn Bergman’s “the Way He Makes Me Feel” — from the androgynous Yeshiva Boy, “Yentyl”
        a Barbra classic….. For the classic film musical she helped, produce, write, direct and star in.
        In the local theater, she even took tickets and sold popcorn!

        OMG! my nipples just poke through my shirt!!

        “Oh WHY is it that every time I close my eyes he’s there?
        the water shining on his skin, the sunlight in his hair
        and all the while I’m thinking things that I can never share
        with him……

        I’m a bundle of confusion
        Yet it has a strange appeal
        Did it all begin with him
        and the way he makes me feel?”

    • BobSF_94117

      No, but you’ll be forced to watch Cats. Frankly, there’s a good chance you’ll enjoy it…

      • stuckinthewoods

        meh. Decades ago my lover took me to NYC. He thought I might enjoy a Broadway show and got tickets to Cats. The curtain rose. I turned to him and said, “they’re all dressed like cats.” He said, “It’s called “Cats”, what did you think it was about?” “I don’t know. Cat on a Hot Tin Roof isn’t about cats.”

      • olandp

        A fate worse than death. Andrew Lloyd Weber should not be considered “gay” theater. Probably shouldn’t be considered theater.

      • KQCA

        O god it’s memories or nightmares.

      • Dean

        I own the original :London cast recording, the New York cast recording and the PBS broadcast on video. I’ve never made it past the second song. Boring as all shit, as is most of Andrew Lloyd Weber. “Starlight Express” was the worst piece of trash I have ever experienced. Did love “Jesus Christ, Superstar.” though.

        I have seen over 50 musicals live on Broadway. My two favorites are “Dreamgirls” and “Gypsy.”

        • BobSF_94117

          As I understand it, people who enjoy musicals detest Cats. But it’s popular among those who detest musicals…

    • pj

      its not a club. its a choice

    • Amanda B. Rekendwith

      Try Chorus Line.
      I think it impossible not to be drawn in.

      • KQCA

        The final nail. Years ago I won tickets to see it onstage . I also won tickets to Les Miserables. I left each of them about halfway in. I am surely hopeless. There was one exception, when Phantom of the Opera first came out and I saw it at Her Majesty’s Theatre-London. I was alone….and they served ice cream at intermission. From the layout of that theatre, it looked as if the chandelier was really falling on us.

  • billbear1961
  • Jeffrey

    Side note, the Gay! The Gay Musical! clip is from my favorite eisopde of The IT Crowd.

  • Phil

    This gay man has seen some real duds, as well as some wonderful ones. Duds: “Song of Norway” – I was lucky enough to have taken a cold tablet before leaving for the movie theater and slept through it – “Paint Your Wagon” wasn’t much better.

    Wonderful: the first one I ever saw “Carousel,” (I was 5 yo), Sound of Music (who hasn’t seen it at least five times?), “Victor/Victoria,” “Music Man” – too many to name really.

    • Cuberly

      Funny, I was entranced by Paint Your Wagon, the movie version as a kid. No accounting for taste as a kid I guess. But the plot about two men basically co-habitating with the same woman intrigued me even then. I remember thinking, sure, why not, sounds kinda fun.

      That and I had a huge crush on young Clint, the older one, not so much.

      • Octavio

        MWM. I’ve been there. Several times.

        • Cuberly

          lol…twice for me. Was fun.

    • olandp

      The first live musical I saw was a touring company of Carousel, starring John Raitt. I think it was a bus and trunk tour. My ballet teacher took me, I must have been in elementary school. I remember “It was a very nice clam bake”.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Read this and my mind immediately went here
    https://youtu.be/NGy1yKy3qyI

    • So did mine. The old “French Mistake.”

      Throw out your hands!!
      Stick out your tush!!
      Hands on your hips
      Give them a push!!
      You’ll be surprised
      You’re doing the French Mistake!!
      VOILA!!

      Come on, try it; move the scene along
      Fifty million Frenchmen can’t be wrong
      Wheeeeeeee!!

      Throw out your hands!!
      Stick out your tush!!
      Hands on your hips
      Give them a push!!
      You’ll be surprised
      You’re doing the French Mistake!!
      ………………VOILA!!

    • Ernest Endevor

      To me that so exemplifies NY of the 60s when everyone talked about faggots and queers. I dislike The producers for the same reason. Even Streisand back then called this one a fag and that one a queer. I think it’s kind of disgusting.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        I’m sorry you have no sense of humor. As a sexual minority I can still find humor in so many things. One should never, ever, ever, under any circumstances, well maybe cancer, take life and life going on around you, seriously.

        • Ernest Endevor

          I write comedies for a living.

          • Rebecca Gardner

            Do you have any examples because Blazing Saddles is comedy gold.

          • Ernest Endevor

            I never said it wasn’t. But I loathe his off-hand contempt for gay men. It’s a serious flaw in his talent. And don’t get me wrong, I think he’s brilliant. I also don’t like the way that women are treated in The Producers. To me that’s a one-act play with a marvelous premise over-extended into rather unfocused, scattershot grab-bag till Springtime for Hitler happens and the world is a better place.

          • j.martindale

            I turned to my husband on the way out of the theatre and rather loudly noted, “Well, wasn’t that subtle?” I got a pretty good laugh.

          • Ernest Endevor

            Exactly.

          • j.martindale

            I was a kid raised on Sid Caesar and Milton Berle, so remember the roots of this schlock humor. It is way too heavy handed for me in my old age.

          • olandp

            Mel Brooks is an equal opportunity offender, “The sheriff is a ni-” “We’ll take the ni**ers and the chinks, but not the Irish.”

            There is no one sacred…

            “Send in the nuns!”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZegQYgygdw

          • Ernest Endevor

            Maybe. I see what you did there. Hoisted me with my own petard. Made me think. OK. Made me step outside the comfort zone. Did I ever tell you I hate you?

          • olandp

            I’m sure you have, but I hear it so often I can’t keep track.

          • Ernest Endevor

            I see. Cocky.

          • Iain Gardener

            It’s good to be the King

          • Librarykid

            and Richard Pryor was part of the writing team which is why there is so much use of the N word.

          • Strepsi

            I think his obsession over gay humor is because Mel Brooks was gay. I know he loved and married Ann Bancroft but my gaydar tells me 100% that he was not straight.

            He also took a lot of flak from conservative Jews when he included the pink triangle (they thought the gay stuff demeaned the holocaust, the assholes). His politics were surprisingly inclusive.

          • ericpayne

            Umm… why are you speaking about Brooks in the past tense? Do you know something the rest of the world doesn’t?

      • IamM

        Brooks lampoons prejudices, bigotry, social conventions, status symbols…

        He may or may not also be homophobic or racist or sexist or classist to greater or lesser extents, but I think it’s a major misreading to assume the display of casual bigotries by his characters is an endorsement rather than a mockery of those views.

        • Ernest Endevor

          I don’t agree. Let me tell you why. The character of the director in The Producers only exists as a fag. He has no other rôle in the story. We’re told he is the worst director on Broadway yet he lives in a very ritzy townhouse and wears very expensive drag. Perhaps he has private money but we’re not told that. The character is a parade of very unpleasant stereotypes for no apparent reason. He’s presented as a spectacle of otherness. Brooks does not treat the black character in Blazing Saddles in the same hostile manner. He is inside Clevon Little’s character. He does not hold him up for contempt. And I would repeat that Brooks was displaying the casual contempt with which gay men were treated at the time. I wouldnt call it homophobia. It’s not a federal offense and I’m sure he’s evolved. I don’t think he’s ever been a satirist. In my opinion he’s a low comic.

          • IamM

            Thank you. I don’t really know The Producers, I think I saw it once. I was mainly talking about Rebecca’s clip from Blazing Saddles not seeming like significant evidence of homophobia or contempt. 🙂 Of course that does mean there can’t be such evidence elsewhere including in other roles, such as the one you mention, or cumulatively over his body of work.

            Thanks again.

          • Ernest Endevor

            And let me repeat, I’m not condemning him. My point was that he’s a man of his time. His offhand contempt was what we were met with in New York in the ’60s which was when his esthetic was formed. Apart from the wondrous Zero Mostel I don’t much care for The Producers. Beyond its wonderful premise the movie is too undisciplined, the treatment of women is gross, and the casting of Dick Shawn—the unfunniest man in the world—as Hitler is incomprehensible. I’m guessing you’re handicapped by a lack of years. In case you’ve never seen it, here is Mostel at his peak. He was blacklisted, you know, and made everyone he worked with go crazy. But—https://youtu.be/ahAOU1HZXlc

    • anne marie in philly

      my FAVE movie of all time!

  • Derrick Johns

    Well, Garland never did musical theater in a theater, did she?

    And along with the list should have been Eubie Blake an Noble Sissle, and Savannah’s own Johnny Mercer (I think).

    Why do Gay men love musical theater? Well, why do some Gay men survive such painful childhoods? Musical theater is an escape from pain.

    I will say one thing that may or may not be interesting. Some Gay men never were into musical theater nor female icons. These “other” Gay men were into super heroes and comic book heroes when they were kids. I ‘ve met a few of them over the years……boring as hell, they are.

  • Jeffrey

    I joined the Fag and Dowager crowd to see Barbra Streisand last week. She was pretty fab, lots of show tunes. Your dick sucking license comes in the mail right after you see your first show, a colorful friend used to say.

    • Joe in PA

      damn, I need a license? Oh my. Arrest me officer.

      • Jeffrey

        Have you been operating without a license? I’ll be right over to certify you.

  • Ninja0980

    I’ve never been a fan of musicals.
    Will everyone still love me?

    • Cuberly

      Yes, we’ll still love you.

      • Joe in PA

        Speak for yourself Cuberly! We, as propa gays…must SHUN him! Shun him I say!

        🙂 /s

    • Gustav2

      Killfile!!!!!!!111!!!!! 😉

    • Christopher Smith

      BLOCKED. 😀

  • billbear1961
    • TimCA

      OMG! This is absolutely wonderful! Thanks!

      • billbear1961

        You’re welcome, Tim!

        Glad to see you back!

    • Ernest Endevor

      That’s divine.

    • e’ville_globeguy

      “Well! I never!”

    • John P.

      Saw a recent production of ‘Anything Goes’ at the Ogunquit Playhouse (ME). Nicely done with a full orchestra on stage.

  • coram nobis

    It’s not just the Tom, Dick and Harry reference. How about this, from “Too Darn Hot”:

    According to the Kinsey Report
    Ev’ry average man you know
    Much prefer to play his favorite sport
    When the temperature is low,
    But when the thermometer goes ‘way up
    And the weather is sizzling hot,

    Mister Gob for his squab.
    A marine, for his queen.
    A G.I. for his cutie-pie
    Is not …

    His queen?

    • Ernest Endevor

      Current slang. Iffy.

      My fave Porter double-entendre is from Have You Heard
      Did you hear
      Bout Mimsey Farr?
      She got pinched in the Asss-
      -tor bar.
      Full disclosure, the Astor Bar at the time was very cruisy. The rest of the establishment not so much.

  • Ernest Endevor

    He’s got a lot wrong there. In the golden age almost all of the writers were Jews. Of the lyricists, Cole Porter and Larry Hart were gay. That’s it. Noël Coward, one of the great songwriters of the 20th cent wrote operettas. Operettas are NOT MUSICALS. Not even Show Boat.

    And he’s got it very wrong about Tom, Dick, and Harry. The real thing is much funnier. I was in it once playing Hortensio. What happens is Bianca gets in front of the three suitors and sings what has become a jazzy ditty that’s extremely witty about how to choose between the men who want her: Tom, Dick, or Harry. The suitors, dressed in tights, bounce behind her, clicking their fingers singing Dick, dick, dick. A dick-a dick, dick, dick. A dick-a dick, dick, dick… etc. Since this was happening in England the musical director, who was clueless, wanted to cut it. I protested saying, “Don’t you think it’s kind of funny? Given that we’re in tights and such as?” (At the time my thighs were a vision) He still didn’t get it. But he didn’t cut it. The moral of this story is that straight people cannot be trusted with musicals. Neither, so it would seem, can some gays.

    Oh, and it’s a ‘glaring’ example. I thank you for your time.

    P.S. Kiss Me Kate is a glorious musical phantasmagoria.

    • another_steve

      One simply cannot discount the Jew / queer sensibility / musical theater connection thing.

      It’s essential for a full understanding of why we queer Jews are so fabulous.

      • Ernest Endevor

        You can in the golden age. They were all straight. Apart from Larry Hart. Porter wasn’t Jewish. Neither was Hammerstein. The generation after began to see change. But not much.

        • another_steve

          Debatable, but many of the Jewish Golden Age straight musical geniuses possessed the recessive Gay Gene, which manifested in their music.

          The Gershwins, anyone?

          Jews are like that.

          • Ernest Endevor

            With respect, darling, I don’t think so. I’ve done an enormous amount of research into this subject for professional reasons and what’s most interesting about them is their jewishness. Cole Porter’s great breakthrough was to write like a Jew in minor tones. The Gershwins were not remotely gay. Now if you want to talk about choreographers and directors you’d find a much more direct influence.

          • Derrick Johns

            Yeah, and let us not forget two of the greatest American musical theater contributors of all time (well, all American time): Leonard Bernstein and Irving Berlin.

            And what about Harold Arlen? Not Jewish, but great.

          • Ernest Endevor

            Berlin is arguably THE great American songwriter. Bernstein came later. He’s not of the golden age. Arlen is late golden age and a giant. Buy me a martini I’ll sing him to you.

          • another_steve

            “Buy me a martini I’ll sing him to you.”

            The young ones don’t know from the time-honored tradition of the gay piano bar. A dying institution. Practically dead.

            farklemptness

          • another_steve

            Are you discounting the queer resonance in the Gershwins’ music? Please. It comes from an intuitive understanding of what it is to be a member of an oppressed underclass.

            Jewish immigrants to the U.S. in the late-1800s/early-1900s possessed the understanding. As a queer Jew, I can hear it in their music.

          • Ernest Endevor

            Good for you. Again with respect, it ain’t necessarily so.

          • Christopher Smith

            Ludicrous. George broke many gay men’s hearts. Nothing gay about his music or his persona.

        • When I was younger, so much younger than today, I was taught bondage by a top who had learned his art from Frederick Loewe.

          • Ernest Endevor

            This is the kind of information that we need to hand on generation to generation.

  • coram nobis

    There was also this. Sorry, no YouTube, since it wound up on the dressing-room floor, by Ethel Merman’s insistence, by some accounts.

    Catherine of Russia, that potentate,
    Knew that her job was to fascinate.
    Some people called her a reprobate,
    But still she’s known as Kate the Great.

    Why, she made the Congress, she made the Premier,
    She made the clergy, and she made ’em cheer.
    She made the butler, she made the groom,
    She made the maid who made the room.
    She made the Army, she made the Marines,
    Made some of them princes, and some of them queens.
    And when she was still discontent, Kate’d create a new regiment.
    — Cole Porter, “Kate the Great”, cut from the musical “Anything Goes” for reasons too subtle to explain

    • Cuberly

      Read in a bio on Merman back in 2005 that she was soooo not gay friendly per se. In fact she was quite homophobic. The author pointed out a few times where she made rather nasty comments, but also pointed out she did have some close gay friends, though very much closeted.

      • Joe in PA

        You read a bio on Ethel Merman? If you WEREN’T gay, you’d get an honorary gay card just for that. Just saying.

        • Cuberly

          lol…and one on Julie Andrews, Carol Burnett quite a few more….does one on Isadore Duncan count?

          • Ernest Endevor

            Yes.

          • Cuberly

            Cool! 😉

          • Joe in PA

            Well if I knew who Isadore Duncan was it would. 🙂 (I just googled, thanks) 🙂

          • Cuberly

            GASP!

            http://i.makeagif.com/media/3-15-2015/oVM4f4.gif

            Actually there’s a pretty good movie about her starring Vanessa Redgrave. The moral of the story, of course, is don’t wear long scarves in a convertible.

          • If a toilet is a John, Isadora Duncan?

          • JCF

            *groan*

            Actually, shouldn’t a toilet be a dun-can? ;-p~~~

          • *groan*

          • Joe in PA

            Well, given the amount of times that this name has come up…you’ve been waiting a LONG time to use that joke. Good job! 🙂

      • Ernest Endevor

        A buddy of mine was in the revival of Annie Get Your Gun at City Center with the Merm. She threw a party. It was over. He went home. As he got in the phone was ringing. It was the Merm saying Get back here. When he did he found her alone with Garland, both of them drinking up a storm. So he sat with them, the token male they needed, thinking “Jesus, and I’m not even gay.”

        No one of her generation was gay friendly. As noted, Streisand used to talk all the time about fags and queers. It was part of the fabric of the time. Should we condemn them?

        • Cuberly

          No, was just an observation, actually in my quote I believe the author tried to imply the times.

          I don’t condemn her at all. In fact in the vid Joe posted I thought they got her down to a tee. She was tough as nails, her upbringing was not a bed of roses and she really made something of herself.

          And face it, she was hot during the many decades transitions musical theater went through and still kept performing.

          • Ernest Endevor

            I have a confession to make. Last night the hubby and I watched Call me Madam! I’m so ashamed. It’s a disease. We’re watching this garish technicolor bleach and I’m like – who the fuck designed those gowns? – that staging is lovely – Donald O’Connor is very well dressed – my God, Vera Ellen could dance! – George Sanders is adorable!

            But the Merm was a force of nature. I have it on good authority that when Toscanini heard her sing he said ‘Castrati!’ It’s a magnificent voice. As to the gay thing, she was famous for having taken a ham sandwich to a seder. She was a Brooklyn girl. Not Jewish. How would she know? If you haven’t seen it, her first movie was the magnificent Alexander’s Ragtime Band.

          • popebuck1

            If you really want to test your endurance, try to sit through THERE’S NO BUSINESS LIKE SHOW BUSINESS. Yeah, the Irving Berlin songs are great. But the plot is awful, and Merman’s outfits just keep getting more and more INSANE.

          • Ernest Endevor

            There is one source of pleasure: watching the Merm looking at Monroe trying to sing Heatwave, a song that she introduced. But yes. It’s best watched through plywood. But I take your Bidness and raise you… Gentlemen Prefer Blondes! blessed with two heifers without a trace of talent between them. On the other hand there is this.https://youtu.be/-ck0V8Zhez4

          • olandp

            Really… there were women in it?
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT1vDaf7RwA

          • olandp

            Sorry, I should have refreshed…

          • JCF

            “We’re watching this garish technicolor bleach and I’m like – who the fuck designed those gowns”

            Off the top of my head, La Edith?

          • Ernest Endevor

            Irene Sharaf. The mans’ clothe are are by Valle.

          • Ba Dum bum

            Edith Head gave good gowns.

        • Christopher Smith

          Condemn, no. Criticize, yes. It was NOT part of the ‘fabric of the time’–see Loren, Bergman, and many legitimate stage stars (which category excludes Streisand) such as Dench, Redgrave, Jackson, etc. It was just ugly homophobia and not more acceptable because it was the norm

          • Ernest Endevor

            Pardon me, but it was. And you’re throwing a whole lot of names out. I’m merely addressing what I know because either I was there or my husband was. If you mean Michael Redgrave, he was gay and led, for most of his life, a very tortured existence. He was blessed with a very intelligent wife. When Gielgud was arrested his friend Ralph Richardson didn’t speak to him for a couple of years. I’m not saying that was acceptable but it was the norm and to deny it is to diminish the lives of the men and women who faced it. See Victim with Dirk Bogarde, still one of the more daring acts by a man who was at the time a movie star.

          • Christopher Smith

            Pardon me, but it wasn’t. I’m mentioning people who publicly supported gay friends at one time or another, and statements which are quoted in the media are certainly equal evidence to anecdotal ‘I was there or my husband was’ accounts.
            I am well aware of what the norm was. Civilized humans during the period of virulent homophobic persecution could at least choose not join in the baiting and taunting of gays; no one forced your precious Streisand (vomit) to use epithets publicly. Those who participated in verbal gay-bashing and baiting diminished THEMSELVES.

          • Ernest Endevor

            We’re not actually disagreeing much when I can understand you. ‘My’ Streisand? I don’t care for the way she sings. My original point was regarding the fabric of the time. I didn’t say that’s how it should be. And you’ll excuse me but I would give greater weight to an eyewitness than – well I’m not sure what your alternative is. Of course there were those who supported us. The wonderful story of Gielgud when he was arrested in a public loo when he happened to be in the middle of rehearsals for a new play. He was terrified to face the public but friends and cast members begged him not to quit. When he walked out on stage for the first time the audience rose to cheer him. And I really don’t know how you make the leap to slavery, a subject about which I know a fair amount.

          • Christopher Smith

            Perhaps I misread a post of yours, then. I was under the impression you were a Streisand megafan. You’ll excuse me but I have no particular reason to give any weight to an ‘eyewitness’ (or secondhand, in the case of your other half) account from a stranger I’ve never met or learned anything about. The slavery analogy is perfectly self-explanatory and I doubt very much you know more about slavery than I, as I have a minor in history which almost was another separate degree.
            So much for this exchange. Thanks ever so much.

          • Ernest Endevor

            Have you walked a slave rice plantation? I have.

          • Christopher Smith

            Your little pissing contest here is not only boring but unworthy of JMG’s usual level.

          • Ernest Endevor

            OK. I’m blocking you now.

          • Christopher Smith

            Finally. I thought you were going to force me to block you. LOL!

    • Octavio

      So NOT subtle. Sheesh.

    • David Milley

      I guess saying “Kate’d make a new regiment” would’ve been a step too far?

    • JCF

      This is a lyric I read about as a teen, and never forgot (I think it’s Mssr. Cole Porter):

      “Before I go and
      meet my maker, I want to use the salt left in the shaker”

      Google informs us: “Before I Kiss the World Goodbye” (Jennie). You won’t hear one
      of the song’s most felicitous lyrics on the recording (“Before I go and
      meet my maker, I want to use the salt left in the shaker”) because Mary
      Martin thought it was vulgar.
      http://www.theatermania.com/new-york-city-theater/news/05-2002/100-songs-that-deserve-to-be-all-time-show-favorit_2134.html

  • greenmanTN

    To me the worst realization of being gay was “Oh fuck, now I have to like Barbra Streisand!”

    Never did and never will, though I admit she has talent and can see why other people do.

    Give me Debbie Harry or Kate Bush any day of the week.

    • Ernest Endevor

      Psst! She’s ghastly. Don’t tell anyone I said so.

    • Octavio

      Joni Mitchell, Ana Gabriel, Astrud Gilberto, Lola Beltran. But please, no Babs.

      • TuuxKabin
        • Octavio

          Thank you very much. I like the changes from ranchero to cumbia to ranchero to cumbia. I’ve heard of this woman, but I never could remember her name. Love all of the Mexican iconography. She’s obviously a force of nature. I am now a fan.

          • TuuxKabin

            She’s phenomenal, especially in person. Had the opportunity to see her in Joe’s Pub, Public Theatre, intimate isn’t the word for it. She came out from behind the curtain, looked shocked as she took in the room and asked”Bonito apartamento, que vive aquí?” There are a lot of videos of her to watch. Disfrutas.

          • I’d only heard of her – but never heard her perform before. I’m happy that has finally been corrected.

          • Octavio

            Me too. 🙂

        • OMG! I want that black gown/sombrero outfit!!

          • TuuxKabin

            You’d wear it well, I’m sure!

    • lenvus

      Oh yeah, that. I thought it was a TOTAL requirement. So, being a young and inexperienced queen, what did I do? I bought the entire “Just For The Record by Barbra Streisand CD 4 CD Box Set.” Half of the shit was horrible for my young, impressionable 1994-era teenaged self. What. The. Fuck. was I thinking?

      • greenmanTN

        Her and Judy Garland! (I actually do like JG) My older brother is gay too and you have NO idea how many times I had to listen to that goddamn Streisand Superman album! I took my revenge with Joan Armatrading.

    • Iain Gardener

      Oh I got the musical gene but I never could stand Mecha Streisand

  • TimCA

    The absolutely incomparable Sara Montiel!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hsanfnRjZ4

    • Octavio

      “Y el gomoso que la ve
      Va y le dice
      Venga usted
      A ponerme en la solapa
      Lo que quiera.”

      Claro qué sí. Todo el mundo por la calle de Alcalá!

      • TimCA

        🙂

        I do so remember my walks cruising la calle de Alcala with my friends. My sleazier memories of the Madrid of my youth however was at the Plaza de la Lealtad a little bit further down the Castellana from the intersection of Alcala. There is an obelisk shaped monument maybe 3 stories tall with a flame and an actual soldier posted at stiff attention 24/7 memorializing Spain’s unidentified military deaths. Well (again this was a long time ago) this was also an incredibly cruisy area at night with cars constantly circling the monument occasionally honking their horns at pedestrians of interest. Right behind the monument in Retiro Park things would got even more outrageous in the unlit shrubbery. I think the statue was known unofficially by the general public as el obelisco or el monumento al soldado desconocido. My Spanish gay friends jokingly referred to the area as el monumento a la polla desconocida because of all the anonymous activity going on.

        • Octavio

          “La polla desconocida” indeed. LOL!

    • pepón

      I would never have thought to see Sara Montiel in Joe My God. You sir, are my new hero.

      I’ll leave this here.

      https://youtu.be/nZkgKwbuNSE?t=28s

      • TimCA

        My pantheon of divas is quite extensive but Sarita certainly stands out above most. Her iconic status in the gay community, particularly gay men of a certain age in the Spanish speaking world, is well deserved. I’m not ashamed at shedding a few tears when she passed.

  • safari
    • Ernest Endevor
      • Ernest Endevor

        Thank you, Josh Logan. Tortured, closeted, and bi-polar: you hit the trifecta.

        • FancyThat

          Nuttin’ like a Dame…. couldn’t agree more. sigh. (okay, yeah, her handler said some pretty vicious stuff recently… let’s chalk that up to dementia..?)

          https://youtu.be/zYrruiRU9uQ

      • GeoffreyPS

        Stewpot makes me tingly.

        • Ernest Endevor

          He’s mine.

    • John30013

      Now I MUST see this movie!

      • safari

        I liked it, but it isn’t for everyone. My family thought it was terrible.

        • IamM

          It…has its moments.

          I think the ‘problem’ isn’t that it doesn’t gel, it just isn’t the kind of movie you expect it to be.

        • Ernest Endevor

          It is terrible.

  • billbear1961

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ffToJkszcY

    This film has haunted me for decades.

    Just hope WE aren’t living in our own Weimar Republic.

    We wouldn’t be if journalists would do their jobs.

    But they haven’t for 30-some years, which is why we’re now face to face with the very real threat of fascism in this country.

    • another_steve

      The storyline of “Cabaret” is sometimes undervalued in comparison to the spectacular music and performances — but yes, it is chilling and is a warning to us all.

      • billbear1961

        The story used to give me nightmares.

        While going well at the moment, this election is a nightmare.

        EDIT: A slow-motion nightmare.

        Jesus CHRIST, I wish it were OVER!!

        • Pray not to live long enough to hear Donald Trump, The Musical !!

      • JT
        • David Walker

          I saw “Cabaret” in its original form when it was in try-outs in Philly. I was stunned by the whole experience. I felt the movie missed the mark in several ways and improved the story in other ways. I was probably all of 19 when I saw the live production. The revivals are almost always imitations of the movie, cut the songs that were cut from the movie in order to pretend the actress playing Sally was their Liza. The movie was built around Liza, the original live show, quite arguably, was built around Cliff.

          What I found funny about the movie was that I shared Christopher Isherwood’s opinion and didn’t know it until a few years ago. I could not accept Liza as Sally. Sally can just about sing, cannot dance, and finds the Kit Kat Klub to be a reasonable venue. Liza could not make me suspend my disbelief.

          • Christopher Smith

            My gay card was revoked years ago for legitimately TRASHING Liza and observing that talent REALLY skips a generation.
            You should have seen Judi Dench or Natasha Richardson in the role. Transformative. Saved the show singlehandedly in both cases, David.

          • David Walker

            I would give certain body parts to have seen Judi Dench as Sally.

          • IamM

            Maybe the movie version is how Sally sees herself.

          • David Walker

            Interesting point. There is no question that the movie was meant as a star vehicle for Liza. I think it’s a shame that it’s the version that’s preserved, the version more people have seen than will ever see the live show, especially the original.

        • mark99k

          There’s something very wrong with that kid’s lips, especially noticeable toward the end.

      • Ernest Endevor

        It’s a crappy book. Read Isherwood.

        • another_steve

          Yes, but the film version was brilliant, as was the earlier play.

          Perfect film casting. Perfect music. Perfect cinematography.

          • Ernest Endevor

            The film is better than the stage play but only because all the book numbers were cut. I still say that Isherwood’s stories are best. Casting Minelli as Sally Bowels is sort of grotesque. The point was that she couldn’t sing. BTAIM, the hubby says the best Sally was Judi Dench in London. So does John Kander.

  • Octavio

    “You’re sublime; you’re a turkey dinner.
    You’re the time of the Derby Winner.
    I’m a toy balloon that is fated soon to pop;
    But if baby I’m the bottom, you’re the top!

    Gay sexual innuendo? Do tell.

    • Ernest Endevor

      I don’t think so. But
      Flying too high with some guy in the sky
      Is my I-
      -dea of nothing to do.

    • Elsewhere1010

      “Don’t inquire of Georgie Raft
      Why his cow has never calfed,
      Georgie’s bull is beautiful
      But he’s gay.”

      Cole Porter, Farming, from Let’s Face It (1941)

      At that time the general public may not have understood the alternate meaning of “gay”, but it was already being used as such in metropolitan areas such as New York.

      • Christopher Smith

        Brilliant. I’ve done Decline and Fall and it includes ‘Farming’

    • JCF

      “You’re the Nile,
      You’re the Tower of Pisa.
      You’re the smile on the Mona Lisa.
      I worthless check, a total wreck, a flop.
      But if…”!

      • Octavio

        Have you always been a bottom? I’m asking for a friend. 😉

        • David Walker

          The applicable lyric is around 3:00. This was the same Tony show which opened with “Broadway…it’s not just for gays anymore.” That, then these guys…well…
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqJxyuTMMog

    • Iain Gardener

      Let’s not forget ‘Down in the Depths on the Nintieth Floor’

    • Ernest Endevor

      No.

  • Gustav2

    Here’s the question. Will musical theater still have its place in gay culture since the ‘code’ is no longer as necessary?

    Except, of course, places like the first B&W scenes in ‘The Wizard of Oz.’

    • Ernest Endevor

      Musicals are no longer written/

      • Gustav2

        True.

      • pj

        they are all disney rehash trash

  • PickyPecker
    • another_steve

      RIP, Omar Sharif.

      Her affair with him during the filming of this movie is said to have contributed to the end of Streisand’s first marriage.

      • PickyPecker

        MMMmmm….Omar. One of my very first crushes.
        http://i41.tinypic.com/213oqx5.png

        • another_steve

          If you (generic “you”) were a queer man during Sharif’s day and were not in love with him, you were deficient.

          • xersnoyl

            I saw Dr. Zhivago at least six times I desperately wanted to be Julie Christy!

          • TuuxKabin

            Not to be ms. correction nazi, but if you want to be Julie Christie, get the name spelling correct:

            Julie Frances Christie (born 14 April 1940) is a British actress.

            After seeing “Don’t Look Now” I wanted to be her.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUWB-Kw4FiM

          • xersnoyl

            So sorry, never could spell. Was amazed I got Zhivago correct!

          • TuuxKabin

            That’s ok, sweet pooch, wanted to take the opportunity to show you another aspect of her. Have you seen the movie? Very HOT love scene between her and Donald Sutherland. It’s a Daphne du Maurier story. Eerie and spooky as all get out.

          • xersnoyl

            Saw it long ago and far away, need to watch again.

        • Ernest Endevor

          Why are you posting pictures of my husband on the internets? Some privacy please. That was our fifth anniversary. He said he had a special present for me. I couldn’t think what he meant.

      • popebuck1

        If Omar Sharif circa 1967 isn’t worth dumping Elliot Fucking Gould over, I don’t know who would be.

        • another_steve

          Yes, but Babs’ and Elliot’s carnal knowledge of one another gave us openly queer Jason Gould.

          “Around 1988, at the age of 21, Gould came out to his parents as homosexual. Around 1991, tabloids outed Gould as being gay. In an interview with The Advocate published August 17, 1999, Streisand said: I would never wish for my son to be anything but what he is. He is bright, kind, sensitive, caring, and a very conscientious and good person. He is a very gifted actor and filmmaker. What more could a parent ask for in their child? I have been truly blessed.”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Gould

  • Galvestonian

    I feel pretty, Oh, so pretty, I feel pretty, and witty and gay,

    • Steven B

      I always thought that would be a perfect song for a drag queen to sing as she’s putting on her make up. That should so be in YouTube.

      (now watch. As soon as I write this, someone will post that link)

      • Octavio

        Years ago in the “golden” age of drag queens and drag shows were still a genuine form of folk theatre, that number from Flower Drum Song was often performed by a group, usually starring the butchest most masculine member of a close gay community. Drag queens would make up a mysterious member of their group whose back was always at the audience. Then when the “I enjoy being a girl” lyric came up, the mysterious member would turn around and surprise the audience as a familiar person everyone knew appearing in drag for the first time.

        I probably video taped it at least five different times in different parts of the USA.

        Rue Paul has ruined everything.

        • TuuxKabin

          “I Feel Pretty” is from West Side Story, no?

          • Octavio

            You’re right. I always get it mixed up with “I Enjoy Being a Girl” from from Flower Drum Song. Same dif. 🙂

          • TuuxKabin

            Don’t know “Flower Drum Song”, know of it, all I remember is Doris Day singing that song.

          • Octavio

            You should check it out. Considering it’s an antique from the 1950s it celebrates American Chinese culture and San Francisco’s chinatown without being exceptionally racist. All Chinese roles are played by real actors of Chinese ancestry. No mixing up Koreans with Japanese with Vietnamese with Laotians, etc. And for the era, it portrayed a very positive and progressive American Chinese culture trying to deal with a romanticized “old world” view. Quite snappy. And it’s the origin of the old self effacing joke, “Send me an order of 1,000 year-old eggs. And make sure they are fresh!”

          • TuuxKabin

            I remember when it ‘came out’ and living in SF I remember the buzz about it and the ‘break through’ of using Chinese cast. Never heard that joke. Funny.

      • olandp
        • Steven B

          No, not quite. But I did come across this. Also not what I was looking for but still a lot of fun.

  • TK

    Musicals..yeah, yeah…great…

    Now, about the cutie host. Hello new cyberboyfriend.

  • BrianInNH

    I was just watching Hello Dolly a couple of weeks ago. Great timing.

  • coram nobis

    Noël Coward:

    Quite for no reason
    I’m here for the Season
    And high as a kite
    Living in error
    With Maud at Cap Ferrat
    Which couldn’t be right
    Everyone’s here and frightfully gay
    Nobody cares what people say
    Though the Riviera
    Seems really much queerer
    Than Rome at it’s height
    Yesterday night

    I went to a marvelous party …
    We didn’t start dinner till ten
    And young Bobbie Carr
    Did a stunt at the bar
    With a lot of extraordinary men
    Dear Baba arrived with a turtle
    Which shattered us all to the core
    The Grand Duke was dancing a foxtrot with me
    When suddenly Cyril screamed “Fiddledidee”
    And ripped off his trousers and jumped in the sea
    I couldn’t have liked it more
    * * *
    Maurice made a couple of passes at Gus
    And Freddie, who hates any kind of a fuss
    Did half the Big Apple and twisted his truss
    I couldn’t have liked it more …

    There’s more, but you get the idea.

    http://www.lyrics.net/lyric/14685176

    • TuuxKabin
    • Christopher Smith

      But you left out the best verse…..’I’ve been to a marvelous party
      With Nana and Nounou and Nell
      We went as we were and we came as we were and we stayed as we were
      Which was hell……”
      Not to mention Laura getting blind on Dubonnet and gin
      and scratching her veneer with a Cartier pin…:D 😀 😀

  • clungeflaps

    Musicals make me cringe hard, much like grown men that like My Little Pony and anime do. Never understood gay guys obsession with bipolar histrionic divas.

    I’m one of the few gay guys that likes rock, indie, punk and metal.

    • rusty57

      “Never understood gay guys obsession with bipolar histrionic divas.”

      Because some of us are bipolar histrionic divas?
      Speaking strictly for myself of course.

  • PickyPecker

    for me….it’s a matter of just who is performing that makes all the difference. Gotta be able to feel it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdlz6QzyAVA

    • another_steve

      Thank you, PP.

      Do you believe that there’s actually some dissing of the Babs going on in this thread?

      Joe should ban them.

      • PickyPecker

        LOL. nah, is all personal preference.

        However, this being one of my favorite songs from a show……NO ONE has ever been able to carry it off quite the same.

        • Octavio

          Not even Fanny Brice?

          • pj

            who

          • Octavio

            Shirley Ewejest?

          • pj

            that your drag name

          • Octavio

            Not me. Must be some other blonde.

          • pj

            blond?

          • Octavio

            En realidad, soy calvo. Pero me gusta creer que soy rubia y llevar a cabo en la televisión.

          • rusty57

            Estás siendo guapo, Calvo o no.

          • Octavio

            Aparezco más joven que mis años y El Squeeze insiste soy varonil. Afortunadamente, tengo todos mis dientes originales. 😀

    • olandp

      She sang that live for the camera…

      • octobercountry

        Only the first half of it, actually—the ending of the song was pre-recorded. (Whoops, do I sound really gay by knowing that? Heh.)

    • MattPS

      I was 17 when “Funny Girl” came out and I saw it in my hometown movie theater. I cannot express the impact it had on me. Kids today just don’t know what it was really like to feel that you were different in a small town in the 1960s. I’m not sure that that’s the way it SHOULD be, but in any case, that’s the way it IS. Thanks to many sacrifices and, yes, lives lost–either to AIDS or to anti-gay violence–they can live their lives in a way which was almost inconceivable to most gay kids of my generation.

    • TK

      Connections

  • JT

    And sometimes it can make a political statement that’s still relevant.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhSKk-cvblc

    • Octavio

      “Everything’s free in America, for a small fee in Ameríca.”

      • Mikey

        “smoke on your pipe, and put that in!”

        • Octavio

          In America!

    • TuuxKabin

      A good example. Thank you for reminding me. And gorgeous choreography.

      BOYS
      Twelve in a room in America.
      ANITA
      Lots of new housing with more space.
      BERNARDO
      Lots of doors slamming in our face.

      • JT

        By the great gay composer, Leonard Bernstein, and the great gay lyricist, Stephen Sondheim.

        • TuuxKabin

          Yep, two of the many greatest.

          • 2+2

            + the gay Jerome Robbins+ the gay Arthur Laurents.

          • TuuxKabin

            A match made for us in Nirvana.

      • ohbear1957

        George Chakiris is hot, hot, hot!

        • TuuxKabin

          zo very hot, hot, hot.

        • grada3784

          He was hot in his bit role in White Christmas too. One of the dancers in the “Love you didn’t do right by me” sequence.

  • EdmondWherever

    Little Shop was always my fave musical. Not very gay, I don’t think, but that Seymour, he’s a cutie!

    • TuuxKabin

      Another exception. Love Ellen Grene’s B’klyn accent.

    • Itsatarp

      Bill Murray totally steals the picture with less than five minutes of screen time.
      https://youtu.be/XB7R0ZxNgC4

      • EdmondWherever

        God, he’s such a babyface there. Hard to believe that movie was 30 years ago.

  • HZ81

    I wasn’t born with the gene. First time I saw Sound of Music as a kid, I wanted the Nazis to get that fucking family.

    • Gustav2

      Explains a lot! LOL 😉

    • Ernest Endevor

      LOL

    • Todd20036

      I’m going to burn for laughing at that

    • Jon Doh

      I’m with you. I spent time this morning at the oral surgeon’s office and can honestly say it was preferable to time spent watching a musical. Friends have insisted I turn in my gay card.

      • pj

        you should

      • Ernest Endevor

        I’m coming to get it. I’ll fly in and arrive outside your door in a black Suburban. You will hand over your card. Don’t try to resist or your eyelids will be taped back and you will be forced to watch Dolores Grey perform Not Since Nineveh till you collapse into a blubbering mass.

        • Jon Doh

          Could I just mail it to you?

          • Ernest Endevor

            I need to consult central commitee.

        • octobercountry

          Isn’t it a shame that Dolores Gray only starred in four films? Inconceivable that she wasn’t in more pictures! I just love her….

          • Ernest Endevor

            I think she’s terrifying. You know that she was Lerner and Lowe’s first choice for <My Fair Lady and SHE TURNED THEM DOWN??? I know. Let’s all huddle close. (Sings) Don’t little schmendrick, don’t yo cry, poppa’s gonna go out and bring gefilte fish to..

          • octobercountry

            Wow, I love Dolores, but I simply CANNOT imagine her in that part!

          • Ernest Endevor

            Actually, that’s wrong. I remember that Mary Martin was their first choice. They played the score for her and her reaction was, “Wow, the boys have lost it.” Grey was their second choice. Then there were a few more before they got to Julie Andrews.

          • octobercountry

            Speaking of Dolores… I just noticed tonight that “It’s Always Fair Weather” showed up on my DVR (I hadn’t even known the picture was being shown), so I have that to look forward to viewing—more Dolores! Man, I still think it’s criminal that she only had prominent roles in four feature films…

          • Ernest Endevor

            Yes, but she was a big deal on stage. I think movies are the idiot step-child of the theatre.

      • TuuxKabin

        Mine and el husbians went thru the shredder long time ago. Some times the drilling from the dentist is preferable to musicals. At least it’s an improvement to one’s smile.

    • Joe in PA

      I loved the ‘older man’ Rolfe:

    • TuuxKabin

      It wasn’t a musical, but I was yelling ‘she’s in the attic’ during ‘The Diary of Anne Frank”, I so wanted them to capture Shelly Winters.

      • Octavio

        You evil thing.

        • TuuxKabin

          Well, I try Octavio.

    • Natty Enquirer

      It’s not one of R&H’s better shows. Plus the movie was rewritten to hype the saccharine quotient. I always wanted the nuns to break into a tap routine when they cut to the wide formation shot in “Maria.”

      • HZ81

        You’re talking hate speech to me right now. 🙂

      • Dean

        I really love musical thjeatre, b ut my stomach turns over when presented with “The Sound of Music.” Hated it as a kid, still; hate it.

      • ericpayne

        I came up with my own solution to Maria… just get a gun and shoot her in the head. To solve the problem, you just make sure she’s dead.

        I’m an evil little fagling…

      • Christopher Smith

        It is an abomination, and was written for the ultimate NOTALENT Mary Martin, who couldn’t even sing all the notes….

    • Christopher Smith

      Well, hell, yeah, ROLF? who wouldn’t want that gorgeous Hitler Youth to win?

    • Iain Gardener

      You’re not the only one Christopher Plummer who played the captain called the film ‘The Sound of Mucus’.

    • Matt

      Exactly the same here. I have ZERO interest in musicals or theater in general. I can nap at home for free. Don’t see the point.

    • pepón

      Yeah, I will never understand why the hell would someone begin to sing in the middle of anything.

  • Steven B

    Where’s Part 3?

    • Jeffg166

      To come.

      • Steven B

        Aww. I was enjoying that.

    • pj

      fridAY queen

  • Will Parkinson

    I’m not enamored of musicals. Can’t recall the last one I saw.

    • TuuxKabin

      Ditto. Was ‘Death Becomes Her’ a musical? Didn’t see it, but the title kinda gave it away.

      • Consul52

        That move is not a musical. It stars Meryl Streep, Goldie Hawn, and Bruce Willis. The movie is about rival movie actresses who try to ruin each person’s career. Meryl’s character was told about a secret immortality club that could help her if she drinks a special potion. She will never grow old again and live forever with a better body. It’s a comedy, fantasy, and a slight horror movie all rolled into one. I have seen this movie many times, and I always liked it. It has the best special and visual effects.
        I am wondering if you’re being facetious or something?

        • TuuxKabin

          I’m wondering if you’re not familiar with snark/sarcasm or something.

        • MattPS

          Technically it wasn’t a musical, but I can see why some people might be under the impression that it was: the opening scene is of Meryl Streep singing in a tremendous Broadway flop called “Songbird!” (a musical based on Tennessee Williams’ “Sweet Bird of Youth”). She sings–wonderfully, covering all sorts of parody in the process. If I’m not mistaken, the tune is called “It’s Me”.

  • Todd

    Because they make me go gay all of a sudden ….

    http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1098696/cary-grant-jumping-robe-o.gif

    ….. Nah, I’m gay all of the time and my life IS a musical !!!

    • TuuxKabin

      A musical hit, I’d say.

  • j.martindale

    Then there are those of us who REALLY admire great musicals. I am speaking, of course, of all the opera queens. No Broadway show will ever stand up to a performance of Beverly Sills as Manon.

    • Christopher Smith

      Baby Doe or Cleopatra, thank you 🙂

      • j.martindale

        Pamira always makes me cry.

  • CanuckDon

    Now we need a video explaining DISCO!

  • Steven B

    Not so subtle.

  • Butch McHugepeen

    Next Up:
    Why Gay Men Hate Musicals-The Same Reasons Everyone Else Does And More

  • greenmanTN

    I am gay as the day is long but I didn’t get the musical theater gene, though I think Cole Porter was brilliant.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      Cole Porter: Selected Lyrics is a slim volume of Cole Porter’s lyrics that work well on their own, as poetry.

    • Itsatarp

      I’m with you. I think musicals work fine when the subject is something really over the top/fantasy like Rocky Horror or Little Shop of Horrors. At least in those you are suspending belief so having the players suddenly break out in song is not so jarring. Some subjects, like the Anschluss, or Jews living in the Pale, or South American dictators, just don’t lend themselves to it very well.
      And yea, Porter is pretty awesome.

    • Christopher Smith

      You have to have great performers.
      ALWAYS SUSPECT THE PERFORMANCE, not the work of art.

  • I’m always astonished how “gay” the earlier movie musicals really were: Oklahoma, The Music Man, etc.

    “Shipoopi, shipoopi, shipoopi … the girl is hard to get”

    They’re like kids songs or something … I can’t tell whether it’s camp or I don’t know what.

    • Christopher Smith

      ‘Shipoopi’ is the silliest and cheesiest song in The Music Man, which is by light years the single greatest musical ever written.

  • greenmanTN

    For the most part I just don’t appreciate that type of music.

    I really like Hedwig and the Angry Inch though so I guess that qualifies as a musical. I think Origin Of Love and Wicked Litte Town are great songs.

    https://youtu.be/ZlW6FBEuKiE

  • Jacob

    Is this part of the Bradley Cooper coming out PR campaign?

  • Mr Furley

    I’m a gay guy.
    I don’t love musicals.
    Thank you.

  • JCF

    Yup, that explains me—oh wait, have vaj, love Persons-of-Vag—I guess it doesn’t.

  • bob

    I was at a gay bar for an Ann Miller look alike contest when Sugar Babies was playing in Philly. Ann showed up for judging and the crowd went wild ! At a Shirley Bassey concert , when she started ” I am what I am ” I started crying and she came over and blew me a kiss .

  • meh. “my boys,” as i affectionately think of them, are mostly average on the musical thing. they love music, but Babs or “the hills are alive!” or all that stuff? not on the top of their lists. i guess i should go read the whole link, but i would say “gay men like music just as much as everyone else, it’s just sometimes very unsophisticated people who listen to commercial music all the time might not understand why they like what they like.”

    actually, now that i think about it, i am a little offended. my gay male friends have extremely diverse tastes. not all of them like musical theater. not all of them even like big vocals. what’s next, a post about how all lesbians like thunderous metal and weepy folk singing a la the whatever girls? meh.

    • Friday

      Metal? When did that happen? 🙂 I was actually curious here, did not want to hear the answer was ‘dick, dick, dick,’ but I generally like Cole Porter, if not musicals, myself. I’d always thought the appeal must be the clever wordplay and catchy tunes, myself, along with staked-out territory. Actually hadn’t heard Cole Porter was gay, though, even.

  • DaddyRay

    I can’t imagine life without Sidetrack Show Tune night

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-acDUCKfJYY

    • DaddyRay
      • NO MORE GOP!

        I *loved* this when it came out. I first saw it in Dr. Ducks Super-Secret All-Purpose Sauce.

      • Why do I have a sudden urge to wrap my fist in that hair and just start slamming her into the table?

        Is that bad of me?

  • William Tigano

    What a CUTE OTTER PUP. Woofy.

  • ericpayne

    Barbra Streisand was too young to play Dolly Levi and, now, she’s too old to be Mama Rose! There. I’ve said it!

  • Skip Intro

    I never cared much for musicals. Maybe “Hamilton” or “Lazarus” will prove me wrong. The worst are dinner theaters where the actors serve the audience food at intermission. At a performance of “Jesus Christ Superstar,” my waiter was none other than J.C. himself … and he forgot my damn cole slaw.

  • NO MORE GOP!

    I must not be 100% gay, because I’m so-so about musicals. Some I love, some induce either sleeping or vomiting. If I had a general “kind” of musical I like, I’d probably say “something by Sondheim”, with Company at the top of the list.

  • There are few icons in my life – Babs, Liza, Judy, Eartha, they’re all part of my foundation. But there is only one woman I can truly call a goddess. I have loved, adored, worshiped this woman since I was a bare (literally) 17 y.o. and she damned near drowned me in the pool at the Continental. Yeah, I’m that old. For any of the others, getting pushed into the pool by your piano player would have been the end of the show. Not this madwoman! We fished her out, set her on her feet on the stage, and some queen with more talent than anyone I’ve ever heard took over the keyboard.
    “WELL! I guess somebody’s late for a blowjob!” And she took the show to new heights (and depths) from there.
    The one, the only, the Divine… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZR4rRbkTKs

  • pepón

    Cole Porter the first to introduce innuendo in Musicals? He is at least 30 years late. There was the pansy craze waaaay before. The cabaret in Germany in the 20s and 30s was full of it. The operetta in Vienna at the turn of the century was full of innuendo and young studs in Lederhosen. The Opera was full of castrati. We were probably already singing and making theater in the caves.