Bernie Sanders Drops Lawsuit Against DNC

The Sanders campaign yesterday dropped its lawsuit against the Democratic National Committee for restricting access to voter files. The Hill reports:

The Sanders team said the investigation vindicated them and showed no evidence that they improperly accessed information belonging to Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

“An independent investigation of the firewall failures in the DNC’s shared voter file database has definitively confirmed that the original claims by the DNC and the Clinton campaign were wholly inaccurate,” the campaign said in a statement.

“The Sanders campaign never ‘stole’ any voter file data; the Sanders campaign never ‘exported’ any unauthorized voter file data; and the Sanders campaign certainly never had access to the Clinton campaign’s ‘strategic road map.’

The withdrawal of the lawsuits ends a months-long fight between Sanders and the Democratic party.

In December, the DNC alleged that Sanders staffers had improperly accessed Clinton’s campaign information. A Sanders aide at the time denied wrongdoing, saying they had only tried to document the security error to alert the DNC. That initial finding prompted the party to briefly block the Sanders campaign’s access to party files and data.

  • Smart move. Less of a distraction, and they will save a lot of money.

  • Lawerence Collins

    Unlike Hillary, Bernie is honest!

    • danolgb

      Keep telling yourself that.

      • Mike in Houston

        His wife is also pulling in big bucks as a paid consultant on his campaign — like she did on his Senatorial campaigns before that… not to mention the small matter of her income on a nuclear waste board that sanctioned and advocated dumping VT’s nuclear waste on a poor Latino community in Texas or the settlement she got after being fired from her post at Burlington University.

        It’s not a coincidence that he’s asked for an extension on filing his financials — which will now happen after the primaries. He doesn’t want his supporters to really feel “berned”.

    • Wayne

      Except that the investigation actually showed that his campaign was the only one guilty of data theft. You guys aren’t really trying to say Bernie dropped a lawsuit out of the kindness of his heart to the DNC? LOL He dropped the lawsuit because the investigation he agreed to concluded his campaign was guilty.

    • SophieCT

      Honest except for all of his lying.
      – He did steal the data, as you would learn if you read the investigation report.
      – The Pope never invited him and was in fact, ambushed by him
      – He really does owe his entire legislative career to the NRA
      – Still don’t know what he’s hiding by not releasing his taxes.

    • Up-voting the meme, not the statement.

  • bkmn

    Looks like Bernie may be coming around to the reality that he won’t be the nominee and may want to have some influence on the party.

    • Treant

      Looks like Bernie doesn’t want the data forensics coming out in open court (far beyond what the press release of his claims)…

    • WebSlinger
      • JustDucky
        • unsavedheathen

          The obvious comparison between the 2008 Democratic campaign and the 2016 Democratic campaign is between Clinton’s and Sanders’ positions.

          And to be clear. Clinton did NOT begin to rally her troops behind Obama until after California and after several days of meetings between the campaigns and between herself and Obama personally. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/06/clinton.obama.wrap/index.html?iref=newssearch

          • No, no, no. Everything is correct up until you got to “her role in the new administration…” The Secretary of State discussions came later, after his victory in November.

          • unsavedheathen

            OK

          • GayOldLady

            Actually that’s not how it happened and isn’t how Hillary or Obama tell the story.

            “Within a week after the November 4, 2008, presidential election,
            President-elect Obama and Clinton discussed over telephone the
            possibility of her serving as Secretary of State in his administration.
            Clinton later related, “He said I want you to be my secretary of state.
            And I said, ‘Oh, no, you don’t.’ I said, ‘Oh, please, there’s so many
            other people who could do this.’Clinton initially turned Obama down, but he persisted”

          • Nic Peterson

            Testify, GOL!

          • unsavedheathen

            I don’t quite believe that anything as crucial to either as what role Clinton was going to play in the new administration was left until after the election. Especially as the two had just emerged from a knife fight. Clinton’s an intelligent woman and another eight years in the Senate was not going to get her any closer to the White House. SOS gave her the foreign policy/executive bona fides she felt would add to her CV. Obama’s an intelligent man and he needed Clinton’s ’08 supporters in the general. This account is flattering to both Obama and Clinton. It sounds to me like a mutually agreed upon fiction.

            Nothing I’m putting forth is in any way derogatory toward Clinton. It’s just politics.

          • GayOldLady

            So, how does waiting until after the election to announce that she is his choice for SOS help him in the election with her supporters? I know many of her supporters were determined not to vote for Obama, but in the end they looked at the landscape, swallowed their pride and opted to do the right thing and stop the GOP from winning the Presidency. If they had not made that decision we would have lost 2 SCOTUS appointments. We wouldn’t have overturned DADT in the Congress. We wouldn’t have the Affordable Care Act. And the Justice Dept, under a Republican President, would have defended and fought to keep DOMA the law of the land and it would have remained the law of the land with 2 GOP SCOTUS appointments. We also would not have had the Executive Orders that have allowed “DREAMERS” to stay in this country. There is too much at stake to not vote for the Democratic Candidate and the past 8 years have proved that. That is why Hillary encouraged her supporters to vote for Barack and that is why we’ve made great progress with Barack Obama.

            And why would you choose not to believe that story? You’re extremely intelligent, but too cynical for your own good. I know that not all politics is beautiful, but everything in politics is not conniving and scheming either. That’s been the story that both have related independently in interviews for nearly 8 years. They didn’t need to create a cover story, they could have just done what most President’s do after an appointment and say nothing about the discussions surrounding the appointment.

          • unsavedheathen

            I just can’t see anyone in Clinton’s position at the convention in ’08 agreeing to work for her opponent’s election and sway her supporters to do the same without a concrete offer of a specific position she wanted in the new administration. A that point, I wouldn’t have campaigned another three months without the job in my pocket. I would have gone to sleep for three weeks and then flown to Mystique. What I believe went down isn’t any worse than the official version. Just seems more likely to me.

          • GayOldLady

            “I just can’t see anyone in Clinton’s position at the convention in ’08
            agreeing to work for her opponent’s election and sway her supporters to
            do the same without a concrete offer of a specific position she wanted
            in the new administration.”

            Because she’s a lifelong Democrat who’s worked her ass off for the Democratic Party and it’s principles. It’s just that simple!!

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            “Growing up in Illinois with a staunchly conservative father, Hillary Rodham was an active young Republican. During her first year of college she was even elected president of the Wellesley Young Republicans Club. ”

            https://storify.com/triplejHack/did-you-know-hilary-clinton-used-to-be-a-republica

          • GayOldLady

            Oh Ragnar!!! 🙂 I hope you read all of that story!!!

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            I did, but you know….I just couldn’t help myself. 🙂

          • unsavedheathen

            Hey, I’m not obsessing about this but someone upvoted me and it brought my attention back to our exchange. Just wanted to point out between you and me that she’s not a lifelong Democrat as evidenced by her time in ’64 as a “Goldwater Girl”. 17 and in high school but still… not a Democrat.

          • GayOldLady

            She’s been a Democrat and an active democrat since her Sophomore year in college. She supported Goldwater along with her father when she was 16 years old. She wasn’t even eligible to vote. By her Junior year in college she was working in the Civil Rights movement and for the anti-war movement supporting Gene McCarthy for POTUS. It’s all history from there. Bernie on the other hand was never a member of a party until he joined the Liberty Union party in VT. He held very controversial views in those days. He even wrote a piece that was published saying that JFK’s inauguration speech nauseated him. That was the “Ask Not” speech. Hillary hasn’t gone after Bernie’s beliefs and associations during that time, and I’m glad she didn’t. I suppose she decided that if he could win the nomination that she’d defer to the GOP. And should he win the nomination, the GOP will destroy Bernie with his past. He had a long and simmering affection for Castro and Daniel Ortega. There are transcripts and even some video of Bernie praising these men and their governments and leadership. Bernie even visited with Ortega on his inauguration and he tried to visit with Castro in Cuba.

            There’s no doubt that Hillary has had a lifelong commitment to the Democratic Party. Bernie has had a lifelong commitment to himself, Socialism, with an undercurrent flirtation with communism, because Fidel Castro, whose government and leadership he praised mightily, is a communist.

          • unsavedheathen

            Lifelong. To quote the great Inigo Montoya, I do not think it means what you think it means.

          • unsavedheathen

            Can’t believe that I’m continuing this but Sanders “long and simmering affection for Castro and Daniel Ortega had much more to do with his opposition to the policy of the US to fund invasions, embargoes and guerrilla wars targeting civilians in an effort to unseat socialist governments in the Americas. I suppose that Sanders liked Allende as well and that you somehow find that objectionable.

          • GayOldLady

            Bernie’s embrace of Castro & Ortega was more about admiration and less about U.S. Intervention. He could have objected to U.S. Policy without traveling to Nicaragua and attending celebrations of Ortega. He could have spoken out against the brutality of Castro instead of praising the Cuban regimes accomplishments in education and medicine. Cuba is and was a disaster. I could have linked articles and videos, but I decided not to because it isn’t my desire to do that work.

          • GayOldLady

            It’s common place for a candidates not to concede, but to suspend their campaign. Even Jeb Bush, who dropped out pretty early, suspended his campaign. I think Bernie needs to figure out how he’s going to end this even if he does go the distance. There’s nothing to gain from keeping it contentious. Usually what happens is the winner helps the loser retire their campaign debt along with other concession that may be platform or may be an appointment.

          • unsavedheathen

            I don’t think he’ll have meaningful debt to retire. I hope that he parlays his support into committee chairmanships(finance, defense, science and technology) and appointments for himself and Warren and other progressives.

          • GayOldLady

            I hope he doesn’t, but you never know until the end of the campaign. I know the FEC has challenged some of the contributions to his Campaign. I believe about $10 million. That doesn’t mean those contributions won’t stand, it just means they may not stand which would put the campaign in the position of refunding the contributions.

            And Warren doesn’t need Bernie’s help to get appointments. She is a Democrat who’s worked with and for the Democratic Party for years. She’s the ranking member on the Banking Committee. She also sits on the Energy & Resources Committee, The Committee on Aging and the Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions.

            And you say “progressives” like it is something that just happened when Bernie decided to run. Some of us have been in this battle for Liberal/Progressive policy for years. I’ve been around for 7 decades and I can tell you we’ve made great progress in my lifetime. We’ll continue making progress.

          • unsavedheathen

            I think Warren with Clinton in the WH wields much less influence than with Sanders in the WH. Just me. When I speak of progressives and the Democratic party the way I do it is because we haven’t nominated one since ’72 and before that it was ’56(that dear man).

            To my mind, we ran scared from Reagan and since then have moved steadily right in a quest to regain the h.s. educated, white vote. It seems more like a thirty-year-long backpedal to me. Welfare, education, union rights, environmental regulation, voting rights, taxes, healthcare… We’ve moved forward on some social issues, but we’ve had our pockets picked in the meantime. We’ve spent an entire generation cowering and allowing the inmates to run the asylum, even allowing the word ‘liberal’ to be turned into a slur.

            I think that we can agree that the party today is trending more left and discussing seriously many more topics crucial to the working and middle classes than we we discussing even a year ago. I credit Sanders with achieving this.

          • JustDucky

            You get that you’re not actually responding to what I posted, right?

          • unsavedheathen

            I believe I did.

            You began by making the point that the Obama’08/ Sander’16 comparison was no longer valid. I agreed and furthered the discussion by making the now more apt comparison between the position that Clinton found herself in in spring ’08 and where Sanders finds himself today. You referenced yet another statistical analysis concluding that Sanders should retire from the race. I referenced the ’08 election in which Clinton did not.

            Have i mischaracterized anything? Did I miss any crucial point made?

          • JustDucky

            I think you missed the comic I was replying to.

            I don’t actually think Bernie needs to drop out if he doesn’t want to. But I do believe he no longer has a credible path to the nomination. That’s what I was addressing.

    • another_steve

      Or it’s occurred to him that if Hillary loses in November and the consensus is that he and his anti-Hillary talking points were partly to blame, that’ll look very bad on his political résumé.

      Very bad indeed.

      • Reality.Bites

        Not sure if that makes a big difference. I think he’s likely invulnerable in Vermont and he’s not going to be running for any other office again. Nor do I think he’ll be given any role in the Clinton administration. Not even if there was a federal Secretary of Dogcatching Administration.

      • Joseph Miceli

        Whatever. He is the Vermont Senator for life and he doesn’t need one penny of Democratic party money to hold onto it. He could give a shit about his “political resume.”

        • GayOldLady

          To be fair Joseph he took 10k from Hillary Pac in 2006. He has had assistance from the DNC along the way for quite a while.

          • Joseph Miceli

            No argument there. In return he has caucused with the Dems. Still, with his local poll numbers I think it is fair to say that …barring the DNC running a third candidate against him…he doesn’t need them to keep his seat.

          • GayOldLady

            No argument here either! 🙂 I do think he needs the Dems worse than they need him though. Without the Dems he would never get a bill to the floor or an amendment into a bill. He also wouldn’t have any committee appointments. There have been some calls in the past for the Dems to field a candidate against him, but I don’t think that will happen because he’s only into the 3rd year of a 6 year term. He will likely be a U.S. Senator at least 3 more years. He will be 75 in September so he may decide not to run again when his term is completed.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Well, he isn’t going to president so he has about three more years to fight for Progressives. I’ll miss him.

        • cleos_mom

          Cruz probably doesn’t either. They’ll both get their salaries and pensions no matter how many enemies they manage to make.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Cruz has tapped into that frothy Evangelical base that will be buying his books and paying his speaking fees for decades to come. I predict that Cruz will be the new Sarah Palin.

      • unsavedheathen

        And so the hedging begins.

        • hiker_sf

          We should start a blame pool. I think it is Monica Lewinsky’s fault. Or Black Lives Matter.

          • unsavedheathen

            Oh, no. If she shits the bed this time it will be the liberals fault. We pushed her too far, we didn’t support her enough, we were anti-women. It’s already in first draft.

          • Nic Peterson

            Blame Obama! I doubt he has any [email protected] left to give.

    • Wayne

      No he is trying to put his spin on the investigations results which show that his campaign, and his alone, was guilty of data theft. This via Politico:

      “In a separate statement, the DNC said that the independent investigation by CrowdStrike agreed upon by the Sanders campaign and the DNC “identified evidence of unauthorized access via four user accounts from the Bernie 2016 campaign. All unauthorized access occurred during a one-hour period from 10:41 to 11:42 EST on December 16, 2015.”

      “During that time, the four users conducted 25 searches using proprietary Hillary for America score data across 11 states. All of the results of these searches were saved within the VoteBuilder system, with the exception of one instance where a user exported a statistical summary of a search using HFA scoring in New Hampshire,” the DNC statement said. “CrowdStrike found no evidence of unauthorized access by the Hillary for America or O’Malley for President campaigns. Today, the Sanders campaign also voluntarily dismissed the breach of contract action pending against the DNC.”

      http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-dnc-lawsuit-campaign-222659

      • Friday

        To be fair I don’t really blame Bernie for some overzealous staffers in one office: the fact they reported it themselves speaks more of confusion about the rules than nefarious conspiracy, to be honest.

        • Wayne

          The Bernie Sanders team did NOT report it – they were informed along with the Clinton campagaign and the DNC that there had been unauthorized searches conducted. Bernie’s campaign got caught with their hands in the cookie jar and then they tried to make excuses and cast the blame anywhere except where it belonged.

          • David L. Caster

            To be just a tad more precise, the service provider had a defect in their software which they admitted to and promptly repaired. The application in question did not stop something that should not have been permitted. It is entirely possible that untrained personnel stumbled into an unauthorized area of the app. The “breach” may not have been an intentional transgression even if it was against the terms of some contract the individuals involved may not have read or knowingly been a party to.

          • Wayne

            Doing 25 targeted searches is nothing like “stumbling on” to something they didn’t mean to. They actively searched for and found and saved restricted data from the Hillary Clinton campaign. That is data theft.

          • Gene

            we are facing the GENERAL now Wayne…massive pro Hillary guy here. That said, time to move on. The “she is EVIL!” crowd are being more and more ignored. Lets let them fade into obscurity quietly and mocked by not even bothering to respond to them, shall we?
            its for the best

          • David L. Caster

            It is long past time for all Democrats to get beyond the Clinton and Sanders bashing. Sanders is unlikely to win the nomination and Clinton is almost certainly to be named the party’s candidate for POTUS. It’s time to go after the GOP for making a giant mess of the last three decades of American history.

          • David L. Caster

            Perhaps I wasn’t clear enough. We are talking about users of a system that may very well have expected to run into a fence and simply didn’t. Those users may reasonably have expected that the web application would have kept them “safe” from a breach of protocol.

            Such assumptions are not an uncommon on the part of users, particularly if they are unfamiliar with that system. It’s also quite possible that by the time somebody caught on and realized they had crossed the line into a forbidden zone, it might have even dawned upon them that their opposition would not encounter a now discovered missing security bar. That realization may then have triggered a desire to report the defect before it could be used against them.

            I did not give this explanation to excuse data theft. I offered it as a possible scenario that has certainly unfolded in many cases where security defects have caused the otherwise good intentioned to fall into a net created by circumstances. There is little those caught in such traps can do to restore their reputations afterwards unless there are many credible witnesses to how things actually unfolded.

          • WTHella

            From CNN
            “Two senior Democrats familiar with the program and the investigation told CNN that the Sanders campaign accessed turnout projections for Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary, a key piece of strategy the Clinton campaign has been working on with modeling and analytics.

            The Sanders team, which consisted of four people, ran multiple searches in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina and about 10 March states, including Florida and Colorado. In Iowa and New Hampshire, the Clinton campaign has ranked voters on a scale of 1-100 for turnout, enthusiasm and support, the senior Democrats said. The Sanders campaign ran two searches: “Show me all the Clinton people rated higher than 60” and “Show me all the people rated less than 30.” This would be a key way of knowing who Sanders should target in the final weeks before voting: Ignore those above 60, while focus on those below 30, because they are looking for a Clinton alternative and might be open to Sanders.”

          • David L. Caster

            Sounds like a pretty big security hole to me. It was caught quickly and closed. That was the good news. The bad news was that overzealous campaign workers suspiciously exploited it.

          • timncguy

            right, like if you check someone’s door and find it unlocked, you think to yourself, I guess I should go on in and take some stuff. If it wasn’t allowed, surely the door would have been locked.

          • David L. Caster

            That’s a False Analogy and you know it.

          • timncguy

            you like this better?
            Look, I can see Clinton’s data. I should take it. Surely if I wasn’t allowed to, I wouldn’t be able to see it.

          • David L. Caster

            That’s a bit closer. Your reading of my remarks on this subject has consistently missed the point: the rules were broken but the infraction could have been explained without an appeal to malice.

          • timncguy

            there is no way to explain taking another candidates data w/o malice. Clinton’s data didn’t put itself into their files.

          • David L. Caster

            Never ascribe to malice that which can be attributed to ignorance–or stupidity. There were multiple failures involved, both mechanical and human: the entirety of this brouhaha would have been avoided were the application in question to have not manifested a defect. The exploitation of that defect should and could have been avoided but was not, whatever the explanation.

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          • Nic Peterson

            Lies of omission aren’t as bad as lies of commission?

          • Todd20036

            What’s a little “C” between friends?

          • Nic Peterson

            Or a big C. Better.

          • David L. Caster

            It depends on who is doing the lying. If a system prevents unwary users from entering a forbidden zone, it lies by omission. My longer description of possible scenarios is above. As whether or not there was intentional wrongdoing is still a matter of speculation.

    • Jerry

      Though I support Hillary, I hope he does have influence on the party platform, and also to push Clinton more to the left.

  • another_steve

    Time to heal and coalesce, Bernie. You’ve brought important issues to the forefront. Thank you.

    Now let’s get behind Hillary and beat the fuckin’ Republicans in November.

  • Blake Jordan

    The less money wasted by him, the better.

  • SoCalGal20

    If Bernie wants to really make a difference, he should push from inside the Democratic Party. He’s brought up important issues during the campaign, like income inequality and the high cost of college and the minimum wage and so forth. I think he should focus on getting supporters within the party and pushing on those issues and pushing the party to a more progressive platform. I hope that ends up being the legacy of his campaign, a Democratic Party that is more left, more progressive, and that addresses some of the issues he’s brought up. And he should be working on getting more progressives elected downticket but I’m not sure how likely that is.

    • Traxley Launderette

      It’s not. I’m disappointed that rhe Sanders campaign has become a cult of personality. There’s no mention of unity, no talk of the big picture with regard to state and local elections, nothing. It’s all about his deification among his supporters.

      • SoCalGal20

        I’m not really talking about his supporters (many of whom were never Democrats and never had any intention of voting Dem, that’s just what party Bernie was affiliated with), I’m talking about what Bernie will do. We still don’t know. Hopefully he’ll decide that pushing for change from within is something that is worthwhile and work toward that end because I think that’s important. I think that’s at least part of the reason he’s staying in until the convention, to try to get some of the things he does care about into the Democratic Party platform and to nudge some people in the party more to the left. I don’t know how effective he’ll be but I do think at least some of his positions will make it into the platform at least.

        I don’t have too much hope that he’ll start campaigning in a major way for downticket candidates but who knows. Maybe he will start doing that after the convention.

      • Sportin’ Life

        The Sanders campaign is and has always been about big picture issues and about what the Democratic Party stands for. Hilarious to read the unhinged negative comments here about him–and then your cult of personality accusation.

        • Traxley Launderette

          I agree.

          But I would appreciate it if he’d repeat that call for unity.

      • Joseph Miceli

        I could say the same about Hillary supporters, especially on this web blog.
        I won’t though.
        I WILL say that for some reason your screen name has been in my head for the last two days like a song stuck in my head. If you don’t mind, where did you get it from?

        • Reality.Bites

          I don’t know that you really could, tbh. I see a lot of SUPPORT for her here, but not a whole lot of love. I think if third terms were available, and she was challenging Obama for the nomination, most of her supporters here would be passionately supporting him over her.

          My “support” for her (I use quotes since I can’t vote, donate or volunteer) could be best expressed as “I believe that she is the only candidate running who can win the election and I believe it is vital the the Democrat wins.”

          To me the issues of whether I prefer his platform or hers better don’t even enter into it. I don’t believe he can win the election, and I don’t think he could get them past a Democratic Congress, let alone a Republican one.

          • cleos_mom

            I don’t pick people to vote for on the basis of whether or not I “love” them. But that’s just me [ducking].

          • Joseph Miceli

            Well, we’ll never know. It would have been nice to try for once to have a real liberal. Lord knows we’ve had real conservatives.

      • unsavedheathen

        When Clinton supporters throw the “cult of personality” accusation at Sanders supporters, this is what’s known in psychiatry as “projection”.

        • Traxley Launderette

          If you’ve followed my past comments, you’d know I’m supporting Sen. Sanders, and thar my beef has been with the those in the camp who’ve recently been escalating their call to ignore the big picture and the long game by focusing solely on Bernie, Bernie, and Bernie — the rest of the November election be damned. I don’t agree with that.

          I stand by my opinion.

    • Sportin’ Life

      You would already know how he’s been doing those things if you paid attention.

      • SoCalGal20

        How he’s been doing what? Working to get progressives elected downticket? Making sure the Dems will incorporate some of his progressive positions in the platform? Please enlighten me.

        • Joseph Miceli

          The existence of Bernie’s campaign has forced Hillary to address those very issues, so that is a victory. It does remain to be seen, however, if she will jettison those issues in order to tack to the center during the general.
          I have said it before: one area where Bernie is vulnerable to criticism is that he hasn’t done enough to get more Dems elected. I also hope he works at changing that. We shall see. The general is around the corner and if he goes stumping for Clinton and raising money for Dems that will help. Also, his donor list is amazing.

          • SoCalGal20

            Yes, I like that his presence has gotten Hillary to address those issues. I agree that’s been a good thing! I’m actually not too concerned that she’s going to jettison those issues. She wants the Bernie voters (as many of them as she can get) and the issues that Bernie has talked about ARE important to many people, not just Bernie voters. They do disagree on how to approach certain issues but the issues themselves I think will continue to be talked about, such as the minimum wage, healthcare, college costs and so forth.

            The downticket races are so important. As we have seen there is only so much a Democratic President can do when both houses of Congress are controlled by Republicans, particularly the current batch. So if Bernie wants his progressive agenda to get some traction he needs to get some Democrats/Indepedents in there that will pull Congress to the left so they can start getting some work done. He can’t do it by himself. So I’m just hoping that once the convention is over he’ll start working to get more progressives elected. It’s not like DWS is going to help with that.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Absolutely! While being an iconoclast might have served its purpose before, now that he’s in the national spotlight if he wants to make a real change he’s got to help down ticket dems get elected.
            I tell ya, this campaign has been a real eye opener for me. There is no way I’m ever going to miss a local election ever again, ESPECIALLY in an off year!

          • unsavedheathen

            Sanders’ entire campaign and every word out of his mouth has been an enormous benefit to downticket Democrats. How many millions of typically apathetic 18-27-year-olds are newly registered to vote because of him? How many liberals, 34-54 year-olds, so disaffected by what the Democratic Party has become, are re-engaged and re-registered because of him? Both groups will vote Dem for POTUS and both will go heavily Dem downticket.

            Does adding eight or ten million new votes to the Democratic totals in November count as “supporting downtick Dems?”

          • Joseph Miceli

            I stand corrected. What the hoopla is all about is: who gets Bernie’s mailing list? Debbie Wasserman Incompetent Moron is drooling all over her poorly chosen outfit over that.

          • cleos_mom

            No words out of anyone’s mouth can finance a political campaign.

            Really. This isn’t an election for Student Council.

  • SophieCT

    In fact, the investigation did not vindicate them. It shows that they downloaded (stole) data on 4 occasions and they were the only campaign to steal data.

    • Lazycrockett

      Dirty Birdie Sanders.

  • Sportin’ Life

    Every thread about Senator Sanders is full of nasty assholish comments from Clinton supporters. Pretty sad, but also irritating.

    • righteous mob

      Nasty assholish comments were standard for months of this primary campaign from Sanders supporters all over the web, so any sympathy for your sore feelings have to be tempered by the presence of that reeking mass of refuse. If you think you need to make a statement about it by voting for Trump or Stein, then go ahead and cut off your nose.

      • Joseph Miceli

        See, it’s asshole shit like that that is a prime example. You can’t admit fault so you double down on the abuse and then try to overtly alienate someone who should be your ally.
        Are you a Republican plant or are you just stupid?

        • righteous mob

          Truth is asshole shit? Pure projection on your part, doofus. Nice reference to Frank’s assessment of Sanders.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Doubling down again?
            There has been more than enough vitriol the pleasure you people seem to take in attacking your allies…you ought to be ashamed. Liberals are supposed to be better.
            This campaign has sure been an eye opener.
            Oh, and the logic you use is pure stupidity. “Sanders supporters did it” excuse that behavior in you? Right.

          • righteous mob

            Facts don’t have to double down. If you didn’t notice them at the time, the stardust must have been in your eyes. I am now finished with you and your utter incapacity for reality or self-awareness. That doesn’t mean you have a valid argument, I’ve just got better things to do. Bye now.

          • Joseph Miceli

            It isn’t about winning anything, it is about alienating your allies. You’re right, we both have better things to do.

        • Wayne

          Oh cry me river. The Sander’s camp at Bernie’s direction or knowing acquiescence have from the beginning done NOTHING but attack Hillary Clinton’s character with no proof just insinuation, and have pushed sexist diatribes calling her every from dishonest to a whore.

          I remain unmoved by the crocodile tears of the Bernie Bro’s

          • Joseph Miceli

            Wayne, you are just an asshole. I’ve never liked you, not since your PUMA days. To me, you are on about the same level as Bill Perdue with about just about the same amount of integrity.
            I will continue to ignore your existence as you dress up in your fey little political outfit dejour.
            Nothing you have to say to me is worth responding to.

          • Wayne

            And you think I give two shits about your opinion of me?

            HA! lol

          • Joseph Miceli

            Bill Perdue

          • hiker_sf

            I started using killfile to block Wayne’s posts several months ago. He is such a nasty fuck.

          • vorpal

            I think someone mentioned how to do this, but could you explain how you set it up? Is there a blocker for Disqus plugin?

          • hiker_sf

            I’m using Chrome as my browser. I went to Settings>Extensions and then scrolled down to Get more extensions and typed Killfile in the search box. Then I installed it.

            It is available for other browsers, and it is probably a similar process for installing.

            Once installed, when you hover near a person’s name, you can hush which means block all comments from that person or you can hide the specific comment.

          • Joseph Miceli

            I hate to block myself off in an echo chamber of only voices that agree with me, but his comments really are worthless. I might have to start considering it.

          • Wayne

            Say what Bernie Bro? How’s that kool aid taste? 🙂 so much for “not responding” – ha you are a conundrum aren’t you. All twisted and shit. lol

          • Joseph Miceli

            Bill Perdue

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            If that were true, you wouldn’t have responded.

            I wonder what other things you are disingenuous about ???

          • Wayne

            I believe he stated nothing I said was worthy of a response and then he replied to the very next comment I posted. lol As I said I think he is a piece of shit and don’t give two fucks about him as a person but I still don’t allow ass wipes to post lies and bullshit without calling them on it. And the facts back me up, that’s what pisses the Bernie worshipers off. The investigation makes it clear Bernie’s camp screwed the pooch not Hillary, Bernie.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            POS’ & Asswipes huh ?? Something tells me you are not very skilled in the art of diplomacy.
            Hillary has said she doesn’t want your kind of support.
            Who would ?

            Saying ” facts back you up” doesn’t make it so. You were outed as a liar in other threads dude.

            BTW, you don’t ” piss me off ” at all, it takes someone far better than you for that to happen.

            You are just more of an annoyance, like a dizzy gnat.

          • Wayne

            What? You expect for me to play nicey nice after he calls me an asshole? You can think again. And what part of the investigation that shows Bernie’s campaign and his campaign alone was guilty of data theft, don’t you understand? The facts back me up. Deal with it.

            There is diplomacy and then there’s total wastes of effort. A “dizzy gnat?” lol This from a guy who goes by the name of a viking on tv. ha

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Attempting to Insulting my name now ?? ( You didn’t )

            lol ok. This from a guy who guys by a right Wing Country Singer or an old cowboy on tv ? hahaha ha

            Good Bye Wayne,
            May your ideology move
            and your selfies improve.

            ( Seriously, thank you for not posting any more of those. )

          • Wayne

            Except my name actually is Wayne and you are not really a Viking legend come to life.

            But other than that…

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Well ” Wayne “. if Carrie C were here he would prob say there is no proof of who you are, no links to your websites and a bunch of other nonsense.

            Anyway, you are interrupting my Happy Hour.

            A major no no.

          • Wayne

            Well, here you can read my HuffPo bio (and my best political post of this electoral season) here:

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wayne-anderson/the-big-bernie-sanders-li_b_9097284.html

          • Wayne

            Well, you could ask Joe Jervis, we’ve met a few times he happens to know I am a real person and my name is Wayne. Here we are marching in the NYC Gay Pride Parade together a few years back (I’m in the center and Joe at the end of the banner on the right proudly holding up his “Equality for all Families” sign):

          • Wayne

            My presidential selfie game is on point, bow down already…

          • Joseph Miceli

            Bill Perdue.

        • unsavedheathen

          Private history. 191 comments in one month on Disqus. No avatar.

          Republican plant or Clinton campaign shill. Take your pick.

      • justmeeeee

        blow me, bitch

        • righteous mob

          No, you blow me. Meeeee!

          • Treant

            (Looks you up and down) OK!

          • Dazzer

            LOL

          • Treant

            The thread needed levity. I am here to serve.

          • Wayne

            I would’ve ended with a “Thank you, I’ll be here all week and please tip your waiters generously” but otherwise you win the giggle award for this thread!

          • Treant

            (looks you up and down) I’ll make you giggle.

          • Wayne

            😉

      • Sportin’ Life

        It’s not about anyone’s sore feelings; it’s about polluting the discourse and turning the election into just another bullshit festival. I want something better than that for this country.

        • righteous mob

          I applaud your noble aspirations for the elevation of political discourse in the US. I join you in wanting good things for this country. For future elections, let’s commit to relating only verifiable, objective facts which are put into historical context, and to holding each candidate and policy to the same rigorous standards. Let’s every one of us immediately push back against gratuitous personal attacks on candidates or on their partisans, and vigorously hold every media outlet responsible for fairness in its pages. Surely we can all agree on that.

    • Joseph Miceli

      It’s mostly the character assassination of Bernie supporters in addition to the character attacks on Bernie.
      Just because you choose a different candidate, you must be stupid, naïve, selfish or lazy.
      Bernie, a Progressive Icon, becomes a irritating angry old man, peevish, selfish and uncaring of the future of the party.
      You know…they do all the things to their fellow liberals that made them so mad when conservatives did it to them and Hillary! Because that makes sense.

  • Joseph Miceli

    Well, the usual haters are out in force, speculating their little venal asses off trying to portray Bernie Sanders in the absolute worst possible light.
    You people reveal a lot more about yourselves than you think when you do this.
    Have any of you expert conspiracy theorists and Bernie Sanders experts every considered that you are doing to him exactly what the right did to Hillary for over 30 years? If Elizabeth Warren had run against Hillary you’d probably all be posting pictures of the Washington Redskins mascot and making “woo woo” noises. God only knows what you all would have done if Senator John Lewis ran against Hillary!
    The incompetent Debbie Wasserman Schulz imposed a draconian and potentially campaign killing penalty on the Sanders campaign after the Sanders campaign voluntairily pointed out a defect in the DNC’s security. Any reasonable person would recognize that it was motivated by Schulz’s bias. When it comes to Hillary, you people aren’t reasonable.
    Now we are past most of the primaries, the suit has no more purpose so yes, he’s dropping it. Maybe he ….gasp!…doesn’t want to hurt the party! Of course, that would be noble of him so you all have to find some hidden selfish agenda for that too.
    Bernie isn’t a saint, neither is Hillary, and all these naïve bullshit attacks just embolden Republicans and piss off your allies.
    Good job!

    • Sportin’ Life

      Pretty much.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Well said Joseph. I sometimes have to check my browser to make sure I didn’t end up on the Log Cabin Gag site.

      The good news is Bernie has birthed thousands of serious new Bernies who will see the ongoing need to for ” Real Progressives ” to enter the party and participate as candidates in all levels across the country.

      The fact he did so very well is testament to the void in the party of D.

      • Joseph Miceli

        Agreed. The Dems once stood for a Progressive, Liberal agenda. Bernie comes along and suddenly that is a step to far for the party. I think the problem is with the party, not Bernie. All those years of Dem legislators striving for “Republican lite” have hurt Dems.
        Clinton will make a fine president, but we’ll see just how much she feels she has to “tack to the middle’ to win. I hope her strength of character is enough to resist that temptation.

      • bkb

        Lol log cabin. You Bernie cultists are really fucking delusional. Thank god Bernie is OVAH! Bye bye Bernie.

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          Thanks Troll, bye bye to you.

          • bkb

            Bye bye to Bernie. Lol

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            He’s not going anywhere. His platform and message will be front and center for the rest of your life. Deal with it yo.

      • Brian

        True. I think the Democratic insiders have wanted Sanders to drop out for so long not because they thought he’d win (they were going to crown HRC come hell or high water), but because his popularity could damage their “Republican-lite” centrism for generations to come.

        The youth favor Sanders and his policies by ~80%, they don’t think socialist is a dirty word, and they don’t care as much about party loyalty. The Party can either welcome these people, or risk a splinter that could favor moderate Republicans, or God-willing someday, a 3rd party.

        • WTHella

          Hillary has all but won the primary with millions of votes ahead of Bernie Sanders who is in third place behind Donald Trump. .

          • Brian

            Then a vote for Trump in November it is. A Clinton nomination all but assures his victory anyway.

    • bkb

      These tears. so salty. So nourishing. Yum. More, please!

      • Joseph Miceli

        Save it for the GOP you immature little fool.
        Honestly, what the fuck is WRONG with you people?

        • bkb

          Yum. More pls.

        • Reality.Bites

          Looking at his posting history, which once upon a time was infrequent and sane, he’s clearly snapped.

          I advise a rabies test.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Lol!

          • Joseph Miceli

            Bless his heart.

      • Gene

        bkb…you are talking to your fellows on the left. more left than you, or I, but, people who are working as they see fit, and who supported the person they saw fit, for moving towards a better world.
        1) respect the passion and effort on their part
        2) I dont disagree with you much about Sanders. I think he would have been a far better disaster than any rethug, and would have voted for him, but, he would have been a disaster…but, TONE man…tone. WHY (!?) would you want to enjoy the “salty tears” of your fellows posters and GLBT fellows on this site? Its tacky, its cruel, and it makes NO damn sense. These are GOOD people you are saying you enjoy the supposed pain of.
        Not cool
        Not the Gay united front that has allowed us to become a force
        Not classy, but cheap and vulgar.
        And if you are wondering, “who the fuck are you to tell me not to rub salt in the wound?”…my answer is that I am someone who is mature enough to know we need to unite, who would not want the salt rubbed in MY wounds if Clinton had lost, and who is smart enough to VALUE people like Joseph and Ragnar

        To use an old southern “politeness”…”GROW THE HELL UP CHILD and SHUT your DAMN mouth till you have something SMART to say”.

        • Gene

          my apologies is that was…harsh. I dont mean to be. but, I have found, as I get older, as I deal with a husband whom I have had to fight to keep alive for 5 years now, as I moved into management at my office, and in the charities and shelters where I volunteer and sit on the boards…I just dont have much patience for Stupidity.

          I DON’T mean contradiction or difference. I know others can have other opinions and be worthy of respectful disagreement. I mean both the stupidity of those who WONT face facts…and those who, having supported the winner in a race, act like ASSES about it to the other side, leading to …what? bad feelings yes, but also a sense of superiority and cruel “lets rub it in!” bullshittery.

          I am, at 47, just to damn old for any of that shit. I need to work to make sure the rethuglicans dont undercut my husbands healthcare, my female friends rights, my rights as a Gay man, the environment, etc, to put up with either “I am to pure, to noble, to vote against my conscience!” or the equally stupid “We Won, We Won, we won, your old boy lost…we won, we won” like the gloater is a 16 year old mean girl cheerleader.
          jesus Fucking Christ, what the hell is wrong with those who can’t see the REAL enemy? Trump, Cruz, and their SCOTUS pics
          .
          Rant (justified..but, rant) over. going to enjoy mimosas on back deck and lay naked in the sun now.
          Love you all…please folks, lets remember that we are not the enemy here, thanks

          • bkb

            You don’t know us. How can u love us? Trite sentiment on the internet is trite. (You can take your patronizing comments and shove em. Love, bkb

          • Gene

            wisdom, and age, have their advantages.
            and oh, I know you. and have your #, dont doubt that.
            And truth, and unwanted good advice is nice patronizing, its a gift for those smart enough to swallow their pride and take it. Not that those so foolish as to attack their OWN are not perhaps in need of a patron.
            toodles, Gene

        • bkb

          Mmmmm the ALL CAPS WAILING is particularly tasty. More please

          • Gene

            careful boy. when one behaves like a petchulant child, one gets reminded it of.
            sometimes in ALL CAPS.
            Its all that gets childrens attention after all

    • Snarky

      The Sanders team “voluntarily pointed out a defect in the DNC’s security?” You make it sound so innocent! From the NYT:
      “On Friday, the committee said the investigation had found that four Sanders staffers gained access to the database for an hour and did 25 searches using proprietary Clinton data from 11 states.”
      I guess for the first 55 minutes, and for the first 24 searches of Clinton data, they weren’t quite sure the data had been breached. Good thing Bernie fired them, they’re obviously incompetent.

      • danolgb

        Well, fired one of them There were four users. Only one lost his job. He also claimed he was just about to call the DNC when the DNC called him. Conveeeeenient.

  • sword

    How many lawsuits are filed when someone is accused of theft? Then the plaintive drops the suit, when the other side says they are going to release damning evidence if they continue the suit?

    • Lazycrockett

      Just your typical politician shit. He’s like the rest.

  • Ore Carmi

    Oh, yes. “Honest” Sanders.

  • justmeeeee

    Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz is the worst that could happen to the Democratic party. The sooner she is toast, the better.

    • billbear1961

      Bring back HOWARD DEAN and his 50-state strategy, for God’s SAKE!

      WTF is WRONG with the Democrats?

      If some of them deliberately CONSPIRED with the GOP, they couldn’t do a worse job for the Progressive cause.

      Christ–they make me SICK, sometimes!!

      • Octavio

        Howard Dean. He’s dreamy. 🙂

        • billbear1961

          He also possesses a BRAIN.

  • Dazzer

    As a Brit with no dog in this fight, can I just ask Daddy and Daddy to stop fighting?
    Compared to the comments sections at the Guardian and Gawker, JMG has been an oasis of relatively calm debate. The fighting on this thread, though, has just been plain nasty. Supporters on both sides should be ashamed of themselves for the name-calling.
    It doesn’t matter who is right.
    Be it Sanders or Clinton, they are both light-years ahead of the alternative.
    Now kiss and make up. I want to see tongues, gentlemen!

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      By and large we have our arguments on the political threads and seem to get over it and engage each other ( including upvotes even 🙂 in non political / fun threads.
      The comment I made included zero name calling or nastiness.

      Then, as per usual I got bit my a Clinton Supporter. I don’t usually mind too much unless I get an infection over it.

      • Dazzer

        LOL – political rabies: it’s a thing across the spectrum.

      • billbear1961

        Hillary would not approve of someone biting you, RL.

        She would give them such a talking to!

        🙂

    • bkb

      Zzzzzz

      • Gene

        the US election DIRECTLY affects the UK and the Commonwealth and the whole world bkb. A voice from an intelligent and well read person from abroad is not a voice to be swatted away like an odious fly, but one to be listened to.
        I am with you on Hillary. Do you think Clinton would disagree with a single word Dazzer just wrote?
        food for thought

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          You said it much better than I would have Gene.
          I was just going to tell him? to go away and STFU

          ( I am on day 5!!! of cold miserable wet nasty weather, otherwise I too, would be out laying on the deck.)

          • Octavio

            🙁

    • Gene

      I so, so, so wish you posted here more Dazzer.
      no flattery, just an honest statement of appreciation

    • cleos_mom

      Quite the pity party. I suspect that in November the winner’s voters will be expected to get out the mourning duds.

    • WTHella

      It’s just that Bernie Sanders seems to bring out the worst in people for some reason.

  • billbear1961
    • MB

      Just because, my furry friend 🙂 William Tell Overture for 4 Organs

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AZmYQ8iVZ0

      • billbear1961

        You never need a reason or an excuse to post music to ME, sweetheart.

        🙂

        • MB

          We have to post some civilized rationality in these threads. I swear, some of the hateful BS here is absolutely uncouth.
          (So much for the big inclusive LGBT family, le sigh.)
          I’m off to Florida for two weeks on Monday so you’ll have to soothe these naughty children with great music and keep them from ripping each others throats out.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxKPeQiU3c0

          • billbear1961

            Bon Voyage, chéri!

      • Acronym Jim

        William Tell Overture for four organs?

        Why, that’s BRILLIANT and I definitely intend on stealing that idea for my next orgy. It’s almost as good as Flight of the Bumblebee.

  • Adam King

    He’s low on money. He just fired a bunch of staffers. Now he’s laid off some lawyers pursuing a useless suit.

  • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

    Elizabeth Warren says it best… there is so much agreement between the Democratic candidates (who share a 94% common voting record in Senate, btw), and we can focus on the common grounds… keeping the sniping focused toward Trump and the Republicans. Bernie provided great service to the Democrats, providing a strong debate on ideas, pulling the party toward more progressive policies, and exciting the base. He has to stay until the convention, to influence the platform and get the millenials mobilized. But this is only possible if the sniping stops and he calls for unity; this is a good move in that direction.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7rWXURt6PI

  • TheSeer
    • Reality.Bites

      Not helpful.

  • Jeffrey

    I know a lot of good people who are Beenie supporters, so I decided a while ago to not argue about him anymore. There was no way he was going to get the nom anyway. I hope that Bernie supporters can put their issues behind them. Many are displaying a level of childish sore loserism that I haven’t seen since grade school, however, so maybe not. Bernie lost because he wasn’t a democrat. My advice for Bernie supporters would be to work harder on strengthening an Idependent party Instead of crying foul when you lose a game you don’t know how to play. And stop threatening people with your votes. Vote for Trump or some Indy candidate and prove that you were never a dem anyway and we were right not to support Bernie in the first place.

  • marshlc

    Sigh. Sanders and Clinton supporters swearing at each other in this thread, meanwhile Trump is being endorsed by the KKK. A little perspective might be in order.

  • J Ascher

    I’ll just drop this here.

  • JCF

    Very good.

  • Octavio

    Conciliation is in the works? Has anyone yet addressed the Bernsterites?

    • Reality.Bites

      I firmly believe that people like this are vocal online and don’t represent a sizeable real-life faction.

      I’ve yet to meet a legitimate poster here who feels that way. Not one. I refuse to spend my time worrying about real-life Clungeflaps and Bill Perdues. They’re not reachable, there’s no conciliation to be had with them and they are not worth the effort.

      • Octavio

        Oh, don’t misinterp (I know, that’s not a real word) me. Actually, I find those in the real world who never bother with on-line comments to frequently be far worse. If the Bill_Perdue or Clungeflaps of the Internet behave they way to do in public at the local Walmart, Security is usually notified. I just throw the Bagley political cartoon on this site to get a rise from . . . . well, just to get a rise. 🙂

      • Brian

        The same could be said of Clinton supporters. Has anyone even seen a Hillary sticker or sign in real life? And anywhere you look on social media there are millions of Sanders fans talking about him. Anyone strongly supporting Clinton is possibly a paid shill, Hillary’s own “Correct the Record Brigade”. Trademarked by a Clinton shell company. I’d call them the Hillary Youth (see what I did there?), but the youth prefer Sanders 4 to 1. In real life, 48,000 people show up to Sanders events, and only hundreds for Clinton events yet she wins by 10+ points. I understand the Clinton campaign’s cronies needed to purge some 100,000 voters (just in NY alone) to keep them from voting for Sanders, but did those 100,000 count twice for Clinton? It doesn’t make sense.

        It’s probably election fraud which will crown HRC, but that doesn’t mean there are not a real majority of people who strongly prefer Sanders. Clinton will be handed her win either way, so it is a moot point.

        • Reality.Bites

          Oh fuck right off.

          • Brian

            At our crowded primary, my husband was handed a “Republican” ticket to take to the volunteer manning the machines, even though we are registered Democrats. That means he couldn’t have actually voted on the Dem primary side of the ballot unless I caught the “mistake.” He looks like he could be 18, a first-time voter, and the volunteer guessed correctly that he must have been for Sanders, so tried to throw a stick in his spokes to get him to trip up and just start pushing buttons believing he voted for Sanders but not really voting against Clinton at all.

            One anecdote, but how many “mistakes” did this volunteer make per hour, fucking up young voters to favor Clinton? And that’s not even considering election fraud behind the scenes. Somehow it always favors Clinton every. single. time.

            Dirty tricks like these are why she will win. Dirty tricks like these make people want to vote for the other side in November.

          • Snarky

            Setting aside your assumption that this was not an honest mistake, how do you get that someone being forced to vote on a Republican ballot would help Hillary and hurt Bernie? First, I can’t believe that anyone excited to vote for Bernie would just shrug and go for Trump or Cruz instead. Not going to happen. There is no “I am voting against Hillary” choice. He has to vote FOR a candidate, and if it’s not his candidate, that won’t fly. Not for him and likely not for most voters.

            Second, how do you turn this into a pro-Hillary narrative when it sounds more like (again, assuming it was intentional) a pro-GOP trick?

            I wasn’t there and I obviously don’t have all the facts. But from what you wrote this sounds like it was either a mistake or, at worst, an anti-Dem trick on the part of one election volunteer in one precinct. One that would hurt both Hillary and Bernie, if it were true.

          • Brian

            It’s a conspiracy theory, sure, but Bernie gets a lot of young and first-time voters. My husband is both. The poll worker would know this and could give young voters the wrong ticket. I asked her if he would have been able to vote in the Democratic primary and she told me no; the booth worker makes it impossible. It is a closed primary. A first-time voter MAY go in the booth, press the button next to “Bernie Sanders” and then the “Vote” button and leave the booth having wasted their time. No vote for Sanders, which helps Clinton.

            This is based on the fact that the youth favor Sanders 4-to-1, and the volunteer would only make this mistake for young voters. If the trick works, it’s just as bad as registrations switching to Republican in a closed primary, as has happened many times.

            In Pennsylvania on the Republican side, the delegates are not committed to any candidate and can choose any of the candidates at the convention no matter what the popular vote was. My husband accidentally voting for any of the GOP candidates wouldn’t have mattered a damn to them, nor hurt the Dems at all either. But still, no vote for Bernie, so that’s good for Clinton.

          • Snarky

            I guess this doesn’t make any sense to me because it’s a closed primary and yet you say your husband would have been presented with the option of voting for Sanders if he had been told to go vote in the Republican primary. He would have only been presented with the Republican options, wouldn’t he?

            You’re presuming that, in a closed primary, a voter could be presented with the option of voting for someone in the “wrong” party, and the voting machine wouldn’t tell them they can’t vote for that person/party? I don’t buy it. It sounds like the most basic functions of a voting machine would prevent that.

            You also said the volunteer only made this mistake for young voters, and you said that was a “fact.” How many times did you watch this poll worker do this? Did you report them?

            I’m sorry, but this whole thing sounds like a mistake that you’re trying hard to turn into a Bernie victimization narrative and I have trouble believing it. Again, I wasn’t there and I don’t have the facts that you do. But from what I have read it sounds like a mistake that happened to your husband and not evidence of a far-reaching conspiracy.

            It still sounds like the “trick,” if that’s what it was, would have only served to depress what the poll worker assumed was the Democratic vote and therefore it would not have helped Hillary or Bernie.

          • Brian

            Did you vote? It sounds like basic functions of a voting machine would prevent that and it also sounds like the basic functions of a democracy would prevent election fraud but that’s not reality. Clinton knows from personal experience that she cannot not win a primary election in a fair fight. Her supporters also know this (just as the youth favor Sanders 4-to-1, the elderly favor Clinton by at least that much. That’s the age of this volunteer), and likely have been stealing the election for her. I can only tell you of my own experience (consequently why election thieves can get away with it), and save the rest of the election fraud for another time- just look up the lawsuits, the wildly mismatched exit polls, evidence of fraud by public auditors, poll locations closed and long lines (favors the candidate with most mail-ins thanks to name recognition), registrations changing from Democratic to Republican, purged voters (100,000+ in, guess where: Bernie Sanders’ hometown!), and on and on to add to the media blackout and worse (few newspapers and TV channels critical of such a scandal-ridden candidate as HRC, how odd). Funny how it all favors Clinton, isn’t it?

            There is no high tech computer screen in my state. There is a large plastic ballot with buttons and a Democrat side and Republican side. The booth worker makes it so you only vote based on your registration, which is first checked by another worker. A first-time voter could easily have pressed “Bernie Sanders”, not actually cast a vote for him, and not know that they didn’t. Make the mistakes all day long for first-time voters, hoping they don’t know what they’re doing. Fewer votes for Sanders, good for Clinton. Simple.

          • Snarky

            Clinton cannot win a primary election in a fair fight? Her supporters have been “stealing the election for her?” People who vote by mail cast their vote based on name recognition only? A “media blackout” (I don’t even know what you mean by that)? And to top it all off, a conspiracy theory about a poll worker making sure all young voters they dealt with in one precinct somehow couldn’t vote for Bernie, and the proof of this is that your husband was given the wrong ticket?

            I’m sorry, but this is paranoid fantasy. Look at the popular vote totals so far. Clinton is leading 12,135,109 to Bernie’s 8,967,401. Do you honestly believe Clinton has somehow stolen more than THREE MILLION VOTES?

            This fantasy that Bernie would be the winner but for Hillary committing voter fraud on a historically unprecedented scale is just that – a fantasy. And it totally overlooks one giant fact. More people want Hillary than Bernie.

            I prefer to believe the facts. I don’t need to go through mental gymnastics just to make a long list of conspiracy theories add up. And ask yourself this – if ALL the things you were saying were true, would it still add up to three million votes? That’s basically ALL the Dem votes in New York and Florida combined.You think that many have been somehow stolen?

            I don’t believe that, not for a minute. I believe Hillary is winning a tough fight with passions high on both sides. Simple.

          • Brian

            It’s a theory that people have conspired, so it’s a conspiracy theory, sure. The votes are close- the caucuses only count state delegates, not actual voters. A little-known socialist independent joined the Democratic primary race and has won 18 states to her 25, she with name recognition and supposed to be the anointed Chosen One from day one, and now possibly won’t even have the magic majority number of pledged delegates going into her own coronation.

            Not much of a front-runner is she? Were it not for election fraud in Arizona and New York and anywhere else we may learn after the fact, and the media blackout (the billionaires who own the news have given Sanders little air time, and the newspapers have ignored him when they weren’t slamming him), Sanders would have gotten more states early on and would be in the lead. Look at the national polls and see who has climbed and who has fallen. One candidate, when heard and watched, becomes liked and trusted. The other, distrusted and disliked as time goes on. That’s all because of social media, despite the blackout, and despite the one million trolls Clinton has sicked on the internet with her “Correct the Record” brigade. Now anyone supporting Clinton online looks like a paid shill, smooth move.

            I think they got this one, making sure not to repeat 2008 at all costs. What those costs were, among others: proving that the (D)emocratic Party ain’t so (d)emocratic with their election fraud and voter disenfranchisement and purging, and trashing millennials and independents, who may or may not swing the election the other direction. Young people and independents want change, not status quo and party loyalty.

            Personally, I think Bernie is staying in to wait and see if the Republican-leaning FBI agents leak info about the crimes Clinton committed, or the FBI recommends indictment. If Obama doesn’t want his administration to have a legacy of corruption, his DOJ will indict. Then the super-delegates MAY flip to Sanders and put him over the top to go on to beat Trump (double digit lead polling, compared to Clinton, who may lose against Cruz and Kasich and does poorer to Trump). Otherwise, Director Comey may wait until after the nomination to give the White House to the GOP.

            We shall see.

  • Kirk Linn

    So when is the Staffer that they Fired over it going to Sue for Employment Discrimination, and unjustified dismissal?

  • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

    I’m not sure if Joe ever posted this interview from February (it’s been a long primary season!) When Fox News Business brought on Thor Halvorssen, the network expected the President and Founder of the Human Rights Foundation to bash Bernie Sanders. What they got instead, was an education of what Democratic socialism is and an announcement of his endorsement for Sanders.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwYmcbRYi1w

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  • kladinvt

    And yet Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s isn’t even held accountable for manufacturing this tale, 4 days before the December debate. It was obvious that it was phony at the time, but still DWS promoted the idea the Bernie’s campaign was being dishonest, when in actuality is was just another DNC/HillaryInc ploy.

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