Former Southern Baptist Head Jack Graham: Prepare For Massive Christian Civil Disobedience Over Gay Marriage

Todd Starnes writes at Fox News:

Prepare for civil disobedience. That’s the message one prominent pastor is sending to some 16 million members of the Southern Baptist Convention. Jack Graham, pastor of Prestonwood Baptist Church in Texas, said American Christians should be prepared for massive fallout if the Supreme Court legalizes same-sex unions. “We want to stay in the system,” Graham told me in a telephone interview. “We want to work in the system. We want to support our government. We want to obey its laws.” But. “But there’s a coming a day, I believe, that many Christians personally and churches corporately will need to practice civil disobedience on this issue.”

So what would it look like if 16 million Southern Baptists engaged in civil disobedience? “I hope we never live to find out what that looks like,” Graham told me. “There are many Christians today who are preparing if necessary to go to jail.” I’ve known Pastor Graham for years and I’ve never known him to use hyperbole. His words and his predictions are sobering. And he hopes the Supreme Court and Washington, D.C. hear what Southern Baptists are saying. “We want them to know our voices will be heard,” he declared. Graham said they are calling on Southern Baptist business owners and public sector workers to stand together as well – knowing full well they could lose their jobs and careers. “We are concerned about Southern Baptist Christians in the marketplace – in the media and corporate world,” he said.

Jack Graham was president of the Southern Baptist Convention from 2003-2004. His Plano megachurch claims 38,000 members. He is unrelated to the more infamous Graham family.

  • Bryan

    A/k/a “Also-ran Graham.”

  • Gustav2

    Soooooooooooo what would it look like if 16 million Southern Baptists engaged in civil disobedience?

    • Lakeview Bob

      The truth is over 99.99% will protect their homes, money and children and not protest.

    • 2karmanot

      My guess would be the largest case of constipation in the history of the world.

      • Mark

        which no amount of dulcolax would ever cure.

  • Lakeview Bob

    God, let’s all pray he is right. Let’s all pray that hateful christians protest and go to jail and then lose their jobs. Let’s put these fuckers out of business permanently.

  • 2karmanot

    What disobedience? Are they going to bake their cake and hate it too? The Jebus clowns are running a sad circus devoid of joy and sanctity.

    • oikos

      and sanity

  • Gyeo

    “So what would it look like if 16 million Southern Baptists engaged in civil disobedience?”

    They’ll whine in the streets for a bit. No national guards or riot police. They’ll be able to harass as many people and pass abhorrent laws in a tantrum. So absolutely nothing like the civil disobedience that minority people have produce.

    • Friday

      They’ll wander around in circles looking for a way someone else’s marriage affects them iin a prosecuteable way, get tired, and claim they victoriously did something against the imaginary minority oppressor?

    • lattebud

      They will be surrounded by many more GLBT folks and their allies.

  • Elliott

    Thank god I have my fainting couch and smelling salts handy.

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      Don’t forget your pearls. Clasp them with gusto!

      • Mark

        You forgot the lace handkerchief for overly dramatic fanning of self and dabbing at the fake tears.

        • vorpal

          Well, sounds like you guys have nailed describing the Christian civil disobedience that we’re likely to see…

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            But but but…they have a brand New Super Duper Secret Weapon to unleash if scotus dares to defy them !

          • vorpal

            I just can’t keep track anymore.

            First I thought that their 50 megaton super duper scary weapon was Reaganbook.

            Then I thought that it was the “ZOMG! Restrain the judges by sending us $50 to print out a few pieces of paper that say ‘RESTRAINING ORDER!!!!111’ on top and then go stand with empty boxes in front of the Supreme Court!” epic fail.

            Then they brought in their little “AHA!!! CHECKMATE, HOMOS!!!” RFRAs, which failed miserably for the most part.

            Then I thought it was the temper tantrums, the promises of civil disobedience, and the “INFINITY PLUS ONE!” anti-marriage-equality bills that those nice-seeming people like Cecil Bell Jr. tried to pass.

            So what’s next in their arsenal? Dirty looks?

            (LOL did you see my poem up there? =points= I was pretty happy with the way that that turned out :D.)

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            lol Pretty good sonny. I am most proud.
            If only you could have tied in Big Earls Bait and Snack or what the fuck ever it was.

          • vorpal

            Hahaha! I barely even remembered that AFTER a google search:


            If I fit it in, will you put it up on the fridge? =tugs your pants=

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Not only that, but I’d Tat the whole thing on my Butt

      • Larry Ft Pierce


  • Pollos Hermanos

    So are all Southern Baptists going to walk really slowly at Hometown Buffet and stifle business?

    • lattebud

      Not enough handicap parking places and outlets to charge their government-supplied scooters

  • oikos

    What civil disobedience? Do they think any sane, rational gay person will want some lunatic to officiate at their wedding? These fucksticks truly live in a world of complete delusion.

    • I was going to ask that same thing but you beat me to it.

    • Gene

      oh, its utter BULLSHIT oikos.
      It did not happen in WEST VIRGINIA
      it did not happen in the FLORIDA PANHANDLE
      it did not happen in UTAH
      it did not happen in SOUTH FREAKIN’ CAROLINA..
      37 states, it did not happen.
      the Gov of Georgia has said that once the court rules, its over, move on.
      KY and OH will shrug, and live will go on.
      I am sure some farts in TN and Texass will make fools of themselves…but, this man is living in Fundamagical evangelical Fantasy Land…..
      they ARE, I have gathered, in mild shock that it has NOT caused an uproar in WVA, FL UT and SC…at this point they are living on hope..and bile. a lotta’ bile

      • clay

        And now Arkansas, with the “window” weddings.

        • People4Humanity

          There is that new ‘Arkansan’ here to whom I’d propose!

          • clay

            (too late, until SCOTUS lets us know their ruling, it was only for those couple who married in the window between the initial ruling and the stay.)

      • vorpal

        Thirty-seven states were fine.
        But Roy Moore said, “No, not mine!
        You crazy fools! Are you insane?
        God will send down a hurricane!”

        Things in Texas got quite hectic.
        Cecil Bell Jr. was apopletic
        When his bill was not resolved
        His views will never be evolved!

        The Texas bait shop, old Big Earl’s
        (Where men were men and girls were girls)
        Became a hot gay hangout with some help
        From the posters over at Yelp.

        Despite the endless Christian prayers
        Still the otters married bears.
        And no consequences came
        Except for changes to last names.

        Nothing at the Hitching Post
        Where Butch Otter fought the most
        And don’t forget those nasty fundies
        At Memories Pizza with GoFundMe.

        Only that bitch Barronelle
        With those flowers she would not sell
        Was ordered to pay restitution
        While Christians screamed “Oh, PERSECUTION!”

        They shout: “Two men? It don’t make sense!
        So… civil disobedience!
        Protect the little ones from buggers!”
        (While ignoring their good bud, Josh Duggar.)

        “Black robed tyrant verdicts we will refuse
        (…or whine until Kagan and Ginsburg recuse)!
        SCOTUS doesn’t have a say
        Unless they rule the bible’s way!”

        No, you’ll probably just complain
        While gay couples finally gain
        Equal rights and protections under the law
        And hope one day you’ll shut your maw.

        • Gene

          you’re good.
          you pays you pig?

          • vorpal

            If anyone wants to start, I won’t complain!

            (Thanks! Haha… any suggestions for modifications or improvements would be great, since I wrote that in about 10 minutes.)

        • People4Humanity

          ^up^vote^ of all ^up^vote^s^

          • vorpal

            Haha! Thanks, P4H! Much appreciated!

          • vorpal

            Me and my boys saying thank you for the upvote(s)!

          • Canadian Observer

            Squeeze harder, they look they are trying to make a break for it…

          • vorpal

            LOL well let’s just say there was a very, very narrow window of time between this picture and them being out the door around the corner licking themselves with indignation :D.

          • Menergy

            That is a perfect sequence!!! 🙂

          • People4Humanity

            Isn’t that just precious? And the boy kittehs look pretty sweet, too.

          • dustin fibers

            Acck! Here’s our Wellington. Aren’t they the best!

          • vorpal

            OMG… what a studly puss!
            Black kitties for the win absolutely.

            Right now our two older cats (out of the four) are an orange tabby and a hilarious tortie, and I jokingly say to them, “Are you still seriously alive and here? Can we speed this up so that I can replace you both with two more black boys?”

            It’s already confusing enough – especially at night – with the two, but I endeavour to live in a state of constant bewilderment with four :D.

          • Ginger Snap

            As adorable as this picture is the kitties look irritated at being included in a selfie.

          • vorpal

            Wait… what? Cats looking annoyed at being included in a picture? That would never happen in a million years :D.

            (Ugh, GS: I can’t tell you – from back in ye dayes of filme – how many times where some adorable kitty was sitting beautifully, and then just as I took the picture, s/he stood up and added yet another photo to my completely unintended but ever-growing collection of kitty anus pictures. I suspect that the photo developers at the store I frequented probably thought I had some very, very odd fetish.)

          • Ginger Snap

            This has to be the funniest thing I’ve read in ages. Kitty anus pics Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

          • Gene

            Funny to US GingerSnap! We be sane. Somebody at the American Family Association read that and has been scouring the internet for these pics because they GOT WOOD when they read it! lol

          • Bj Lincoln

            That is great! I know exactly what you mean. I am going to add a sub folder called ‘Kitty anus’ .

          • vorpal

            LOL be careful – if you die and a family member finds it, you might leave a rather interesting legacy behind :-).

            Like mom always used to say: don’t leave the house without wearing clean underwear, and properly dispose of all kitty anus photography. 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

          • Cattleya1

            Me and my girls as well!

          • vorpal

            Haha! They are gorgeous – and the little paw crossing that they’ve got going on is so cute that I am at serious risk of nomnoming my Macbook’s screen right off its hinge!

            What are their names?

          • Cattleya1

            Juno is the baby on the left and Hera the black one on the right – all my Dobies get named after goddesses.

        • teeveedub

          Set that to music, and you’ve got the next #1 dance hit.

        • vorpal

          Okay, fixed the second last paragraph, which just wasn’t working, and added a new one (third one) in honour of Ragnar :D.

        • Bj Lincoln

          That is going in my scrapbook. Thank you.

          • vorpal

            Glad to hear you liked it :-).

      • Chris Baker

        As you point out, same-sex marriage is already legal in many places, and has been legal in many other states for up to a decade. I don’t recall anyone going to jail, or civilly disobeying the law. It’s all silliness. SCOTUS’ ruling will only affect the 1/3 of the country that doesn’t have marriage equality yet.

        Honestly, have the SSM rulings so far provoked anything other than a few angry letters to the editor and a whole lot of shrugs?

      • What?

        Yeah, that’s what I don’t understand. Why the uproar now? 3/4 of states already have marriage equality. The nation hasn’t collapsed. Surely Baptists see this. Who would bother with civil disobedience at this late date?

    • IamM

      Let’s see they don’t have to get gay married, they don’t have to rent the church hall out for gay weddings, and they’re not required to send gifts… Yeah, seems like a lot of whining about things that are none of their business and won’t affect them at all.

  • JJS_prime

    How does an individual disobey an order that gives permission for same-sex marriage?

    • Lakeview Bob

      Good point. But they are not reasonable people. Never were and never will be.

  • Sam_Handwich

    pointless bluster from douchebags

    go fuck yourselves.

    • Lakeview Bob

      Exactly. Pointless bluster.

    • vorpal

      We need to find a way to harness all this hot air and do something useful with it, since it would be nice if at some point it actually served some purpose.

      • oikos

        Balloons for weddings, gay weddings.

        • Gene

          balloons? that much hot air…try turbines for powering Atlanta, Charlotte and maybe Miami to boot. that much free hot air could cut the souths carbon footprint to smaller than Denmarks.

          • Homo Erectus

            Baptist produce mostly methane.

        • People4Humanity

          uh. meant to reply to you. see above. or below, depending how you sort.

      • People4Humanity

        It would fill many quite large balloons …
        I’m thinking a gay wedding theme >?<

    • Steverino

      You know how the Southern Baptists take things literally. That is how gay marriage affects them and their sincerely-held religious beliefs: the Supreme Court will be telling them to go commit auto-sodomy.

      • OrliJoe in Fla

        Sincerely held religious beliefs my hairy Cuban ass… I remember this certain Southern Baptist preacher that used to do the Christmas play at a venue I used to be at… Let’s just say he loved being filled with the Holy Ghost!

        • RKitty01

          the Holy Ghost is Cuban?

          • OrliJoe in Fla

            For that particular Southern Baptist preacher he was!

    • Robincho

      Wasn’t Pointless Bluster the “slow” cousin of Phineas T. Bluster, Mayor of Doodyville?…

      • Bj Lincoln

        Good one!

    • Pastor Peter Pan

      “We won’t grow up
      We will never grow a day
      And if someone tries to make us
      We will simply run away”

  • Mark

    Just what the hell are they going to do? Not marry a person of the same sex? Jesus these people are getting worse every day!

    • Joe in PA

      yeah, they never get specific…sort of like our friend Mister Trumped-up’s “plan” for ISIS. Riiiiight.

      • clay

        Getting specific would uncover their lies about how this would apply to churches and pastors, how this would apply to thought and belief, how this would, well, do anything but allow legal recognition of same-sex families and their children.

        Now, Trump did say he’d bomb the hell out of Isis to get the oil out of their heads. You want specifics about the civilian residents, the damaged oil infrastructure, and the effect of Saudi Arabia on the international oil markets?

    • vorpal

      They know that they only have at most 12 more days left to throw their temper tantrums and kick and scream until their followers realize that same sex marriage is not going to make the word come screaming to a halt, so they’re trying to get it alllll out of their systems while they still can and milk as much money out of their “flock” as they can manage.

      • oikos

        Confidence in organized religion reaches an all time low. What an amazing coincidence…..not.

        • vorpal

          The best is when this is shown to those on the far-right in organized religion, especially when someone suggests that their churches must either change or perish.

          There’s a lot of screaming and gnashing of teeth about how if their churches try to change and turn away from the will of GAWD, they will make damn sure that their churches perish.

          I see it as win-motherfucking-win.

          The internet is probably – IMO – one of the biggest factors contributing to the death of religion, and it can’t happen fast enough for my little gaytheist tastes.

          • oikos

            I enjoy every new article that points to the demise of religion. Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime. Life is good.

          • zhera


            Tee hee

      • JJS_prime

        I think the nuts are too stupid to realize that due to the first amendment, churches don’t have to perform any wedding they don’t want to.

    • canoebum

      Exactly. I don’t get it. What is it they’re going to disobey? Some other couple’s marriage? If they’re planning on refusing to do their government jobs, they can, if they want to look for new work. If they want to violate public accommodation laws, they can, if they want to pay the fines. Civil disobedience of what exactly?

      • For the most part, they don’t even have public accommodation laws that pertain to the kweerz down here in Texas to violate. This is Grade A, XXX Large, Artisanal Crucifauxion.

    • Herald

      Graham’s quote: “I hope we never live to find out what that looks like,” says it all. He has no idea what they are going to do, so he blusters on.

    • teeveedub

      Last chance for a temper tantrum.

    • Mark

      I hear they are actually gong to take it ‘all the way’ by refusing – even if it means death – to be bi or gay. Their argument is that it’s just not a life worth living if they can’t be hetero.

      Makes me worry, worry, worry what they might also do about GMO corn, plastic surgery, and fake security cameras….

  • Whatever, Mary! Knock yourselves out.

  • EdmondWherever

    So what would it look like if 16 million Southern Baptists engaged in civil disobedience? “I hope we never live to find out what that looks like,”

    Translation: About the same as yesterday.

    • TommyTune

      No more big hair and big makeup?

    • Rocketeer500

      Yesterday’s yesterday was similar to, um, yesterday.

    • Gene

      there ARENT 16 million. they lost 236,467 members LAST YEAR. its about 15,499,173 now…just a HALF MILLION people OFF.
      they are getting older, less passionate, and see their decline facing them.
      long and short of it…he is so full of shit, he is practically an open running sewer.

    • lattebud

      Because if you find out… You will be sorely disappointed at the lack of influence you think you have. Now go do god’s work… feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, etc.

  • Ninja0980

    Fuck off blowhard.

  • bkmn

    What is he going to do, marry 25 women in protest?

  • David in Palm Springs

    Unless these bigots believe that making a pizza is now a religious sacrament, they’ve got nothing — and if they plan on ostracizing gay citizens in the public sphere, they’ll see how quickly the rest of society turns on them.

  • Taylor

    If there hasn’t been “massive civil disobedience” because it’s currently legal in 37 states for Gay people to marry…why does he think that adding 13 more to the mix is going to change anything?

    These people just need something or someone to hate.

    • Gustav2

      None (almost) of those states are in the ole Confederacy and states where those folks migrated north for auto factory jobs.

      • Taylor

        North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia & Florida were all in the Confederacy…and same sex marriage is currently legal in all.

        I understand what you’re trying to say…but it’s not completely factual.

        • Gustav2

          It is the last gasp of Nixon’s southern strategy and Reagan’s Evangelical reach around.

          • clay

            Y’all bitch from some of the images I conjure up, but, damn, Reagan’s reach around?

          • Gustav2

            Have you heard me bitch? And it is true. Reagan did nothing on abortion for them.

          • People4Humanity

            I threw up a little bit in the back of my mouth on that, too, clay. One might’ve thought I’d be gag-proof by now.

    • People4Humanity

      I bet they’d enjoy a nice Sarsaparilla float.

  • Sam_Handwich
  • GarySFBCN

    All of this anti-gay talk about disobedience will incite nutcases to commit acts of violence.

    • Soren456

      I do think that that is the fallout of this stuff, and it is serious.

      When pastors and “moral” leaders declare their intention to disregard law, they grant tacit permission to followers to do the same thing—and worse.

      Refusing to bake a cake is not the same as physical gay bashing, but it is on the same spectrum and rises from the same thing: religious permission to do so.

      This is not laughable stuff; it is irresponsible and it has dangerous consequences.

  • RJ Tremor

    16 million? Meh. Ain’t scurred. Also, BRING IT.

    • Friday

      How do they expect to even *find* sixteen million chances for ‘civil disobedience’ regarding someone else’s marriage? Unless they’re talking about something else.

      • RJ Tremor

        They don’t need to find it, they’ll cause it, that’s all there is to it. Problem is, if they take the #blacklivesmatter approach, they’ll find a mix of sympathizers and folks who find them utterly idiotic. Sadly, the former will be the folks in control.

  • penpal

    Talk dirty to me about Christian persecution fantasies, baby. Oh yeah, daddy likes that!

  • David_M

    Okay. What happens when SCOTUS makes SSM the law nationwide — and the enormous majority of Xtians *don’t* rise up and form a murderous, anti-LGBT army? There’s, like, a handful of these loudmouths screaming holy hell about civil disobedience and Xtian militias forming. I can hardly believe there are the vast numbers of followers who cotton to this B.S.

    • pch1013

      OTOH, just look at Ted Cruz’s poll numbers.

  • Giant Monster Gamera

    Bring it on.

  • Ninja0980

    I remember the same threats being made in NY when marriage equality passed.
    Other then some clerks throwing temper tantrums, life went on.
    Same thing will happen nationwide.
    These bigots are all bark and no bite.

  • PeterC

    He may not be related to Franklin; but he is just as crazy and unchristian as the devil. He has never heard of the “Separation of Church AND State?

  • JoyZeeBoy

    Gee, whatever happened to “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s…”

  • oikos

    They’ll always have family to turn to.

  • Treg Brown


  • Turi
  • “why are you protesting?”

    uhhh k.

  • MikeBx2

    We’re living in a time (thankfully) when you can’t point bigoted and judgmental fingers at others without risking a big spotlight on your own life. How many of that alleged 16 million are willing to risk that? Duggar Duggar Duggar

  • Bill T.

    When they all begin to promote violence, that’s the time they should lose their tax exempt status.

  • 2patricius2

    What are they planning on going to jail doing? Are they going to lie down in the lobbies of registrars’ offices? Are they going to interrupt same sex marriages taking place in gay-friendly churches? Are they going to picket and shout real loud at pride celebrations? Are they going to refuse to obey laws requiring merchants to treat LGBT people without discrimination? Are they going to refuse to divorce their opposite partner and refuse to marry a same sex partner?

    I’m not concerned about their “civil” disobedience, whatever that may be. I am concerned about their uncivil physical attacks on LGBT people and their attempts to enact laws to restrict our civil rights.

    But I do think that these “religious” characters are going to find themselves largely ignored when marriage equality becomes the law of the land. However, they will – for a while at least – attempt to do everything they can to continue trying to make life for those of us who are LGBT more difficult. They hate us and would prefer that we all disappeared or were dead. We have dealt with worse. We can deal with whatever comes our way.

    • clay

      Westboro Baptist Church once threw a brick through a window of St. David’s Episcopal Church during a worship service. St. David’s is still there and can now celebrate LEGAL weddings of same-sex couples. Westboro Baptist is struggling to survive its first succession.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      They are going to drive slow in the passing lane. In other words, nothing new really.

    • brian

      They seem to be ignoring the fact that many people are beginning to see them for the bigots that they are. Keep screaming your liesthere ppastor, a few are still listening and seeing the hatred that you vomit out. It’s ugly and rational people are seeing it. Please proceed…

      • vorpal

        They don’t ignore it. The most stubborn amongst them honestly believe that we big bad homosexuals with our amazing superpowers have, through the magic of political correctness, convinced 60% of the population to pretend to support us, when they insist that the reality is that god births each little heterosexual with a natural and intense revulsion towards GAY SEX!!!! (Had to put it in caps to make it extra scary.)

        I have a revulsion to two obese octogenarian heterosexuals rolling around in the hay, but you know what? I don’t sit around imagining it nonstop (or EVER, for that matter), and when I meet two obese octogenarians in love, I can actually genuinely feel incredibly happy for them instead of being all like, “ZOMG STOP RIDING YOUR HOVER ROUNDS HOLDING HANDS AND SHOVING YOUR EXOTIC SEXUAL PERVERSIONS IN MY FACE!”

  • bambinoitaliano

    American own brand of ISIS, Al Queda and Taliban. I wonder if there’s any legal recourse should people actually being murder due to these big mouths inciting hate. Or this is all cover under free speech? We know this will happen. It’s just a matter of how many victims.

    • J̶a̶l̶a̶p̶e̶ñJoe Smithson

      Further proof that Christian Extremists are the group most protected by law, the least victimized and the most dangerous in the USA.

  • J̶a̶l̶a̶p̶e̶ñJoe Smithson

    I’ll believe it when I see it.

  • clay

    “We want them to know our voices will be heard,” he declared. Graham said they are calling on Southern Baptist business owners and public sector workers to [tell them what their voices are going to be].”

    “We are concerned about Southern Baptist Christians in the marketplace – in the media and corporate world,” he said. The only thing your book has Jesus saying about the marketplace is to keep it out of the Temple.

    • D. J.

      He should be concerned about his followers in the marketplace. I don’t do business with people who throw their religion and self righteousness in my face. Too many people have been ripped off by self professed “good Christians”.
      Your brand has been and continues to be well Duggared.
      That is many levels below “tarnished”.
      A bad reputation is just about the hardest thing to repair,
      Mr. Jeebus BuyBull Bull Shit peddler.

  • Michael Senesac

    The ADF will be very busy.

    • Phil

      Yes. So many cases to lose, so little time……..

  • LovesIrony

    I think I will civically disobey the southern Baptists today and fuck the husband

    • zhera

      You rebel, you!

    • oikos

      Remember gawd is watching. Word on the street is he’s a hard core voyeur.

      • vorpal

        He’s like Santa, but only more impotent. (I hear that he hasn’t had sex in around 2000 years now. No wonder he’s always in such a nasty mood.)

        • LovesIrony

          I’ve been mistaken for him in the past, oh God fuck me, oh my god fuck me, and such.

          • vorpal

            I’ve been trying to move to using FSM instead of god for all my screaming needs, but it just doesn’t carry that same delightful sense of blasphemy.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Disobey as hard as you can !

      • Homo Erectus

        Over and over and…

  • zhera

    This is so ridiculous, I can’t even.

    It’s easy to get caught up in the hyperbole now and I do it myself all the time. But step back for a second and look at what they’re actually saying:

    They are threatening to break the law, giving associations to riots in the streets, promising rapture and hell on Earth, because gay people will be allowed the same rights as everyone else.

    • brian

      I think that it speaks to the shallowness of their entire argument. I know that we tire of hearing it but it is literally all they have left at this point. They must be truly miserable to be around, completely enraged 24/7. That cannot be good for ones health.

  • Strepsi


    • Reality.Bites

      They’d have to find some to kill some.

  • Michael Rush

    i’m going to force that little bitch to make my wedding cake . and i’m not even engaged .

    • Ragnar Lothbrok


  • Marides48

    Predictions about what will happen when same sex marriage is legal in all 50 states. Quit the speculation & simply look to the states where it’s been legal for several years now. Like in Massachusetts or California. I live in California & I’ve yet to notice fighting in the streets over this issue. It’s a done deal here.

    I think this is a ploy by this “christian” to maintain the fear factor so that the MONEY$ keep rolling in.

  • Jmdintpa

    what the hell are they talking about… what are they going to do, not get gay married, are they going to show up in masses and block gays from getting license , are they going to turns hoses on us or sick dogs after us…. that worked so well for a the last time they were trying to use their faith as a tool of bigotry.

    • Matt in PDX

      Turning the fire hoses and dogs on us does not count as civil disobedience, of course. The correct term for it is terrorism.

    • Rillion

      They will continue to use scare quotes around “marriage” when referring to ssm.

  • Matt in PDX

    For the umpteen millionth time: You can disobey a law that compels you to do something, and you can disobey a law that forbids you from doing something. But there’s no way to disobey a law that permits you to do something.

    It’s no wonder these gasbags never give any specifics about the particular acts of civil disobedience they will engage in. There simply aren’t any.

    • Gustav2

      The WILL NOT go to the wedding for which they never received an invitation!

      So there! lol

      • D. J.

        That’s what wedding announcements are for….solicit gifts from people you don’t want at the wedding or the reception.
        Tacky but effective.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Do they seriously think they are giving scotus some kind of ultimatum ?

    And going to jail ? For not gifting a toaster to a SSM or WHAT ?

    • clay

      Judges, generally, seem to be okay with people going to jail, I think that’s part of the job.

    • Homo Erectus

      For mixing stripes and plaids.

  • MarkOH

    So what would it look like if 16 million Southern Baptists engaged in civil disobedience?

  • MrFitzroyOBE

    Call me crazy.,…but isnt the time to kvetch and throw temper tantrums, and threaten lawlessness **BEFORE** the supreme court actually decided the case?
    The decision is most certainly a done deal, it’s just being proofread and printed before release at this point in time.
    What is even the purpose of threatening the court at this point in time — if not to incite further misplaced rage and promote violence amongst the brain-dead sheep of their flocks?

    • Gustav2

      It raises money and cultural cohesiveness. They are all suffering together.

  • anne marie in philly

    “Prepare for civil disobedience.” – oooooooooooooh, my panties are moist just THINKING about what the teaturds are gonna do!

  • Duh-David

    He pictures a day when they march on the courthouse, lie across the steps, get themselves tear-gassed by the National Guard, thrown in jail, and then their churches will be razed and the ground salted for generations. And like all good martyrs he will be given 30 virgins and a seat at the right hand of Hillary, and children will sang hosannas to his name.

    • People4Humanity

      Your professor of creative writing must be proud!

      • Duh-David

        I pay my bills.

  • Michael Senesac

    Gays will soon be more popular that congress and religion combined.

    • brian

      Already is (&has been) but that ain’t sayyin much.

    • Gustav2

      We do have about a 57% ‘approval’ rating.

      • brian

        And you my dear have a 69% approval rating, at least with me.

  • Cuberly

    “So what would it look like if 16 million Southern Baptists engaged in civil disobedience? “I hope we never live to find out what that looks like,”

    That bad eh?

    • Depends.

      • Cuberly

        What, they’ll threaten to not wear them in public?

        Ok, ewww….

  • delk

    So what would it look like if 16 million Southern Baptists engaged in civil disobedience?

    The way you assholes count, probably 600 bitter old bigots.

    • People4Humanity

      If it hasn’t already fallen out, there’d be plenty of white hair in their meeting hall.

    • vorpal

      Each bigot would be counted for around 26,500. With all that communion wine, homeschooling, Christian math, and dementia, I believe it.

      • Homo Erectus

        And baptist only use grape juice for fake jezus blood. Real wine makes them woozy.

        • Menergy

          and broken up saltines for the host…:)

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    This guy has a solution ; a comment on another site I frequent :

    ” If / WHEN the Supreme court makes it “a right”

    Churches will be forced to perform any marriages, or any other acts which they find objectionable. Or lose tax exempt status

    There will be tax penalties to the churches, AND to their contributors.

    What are your churches doing to prevent the gov from forcing them to marry homosexuals if the Supreme Court passes this?

    We discussed this very thing last night at our church council meeting.

    I would like some info on what other churches have done to be proactive on this looming decision.

    This is basically what I proposed .
    Let the government perform a civil ceremony. We will simply perform a Christian wedding that has no legal standing.
    The only reason they have in the past is because the
    Pastor/Priest/Officiant has agreed to perform the ceremony on behalf of the government.
    We will simply stop doing that

    Kind of odd this very topic has just been posted on several other forums I frequent “

    • clay

      Wow, he’s ignorant about about the legal implications, AND about civil disobedience, AND about political effectiveness.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        And proud of it !
        Its a farmer chat…I would chime in but have been banned for years lol

        • vorpal

          The only hope that they ever had in “out-smrt-ing” you was to hit the block button next to your name.

    • vorpal

      You mean you can spend ALL the money of a real wedding, but get NONE of the legal rights and protections? (Although I’m sure that that big thumbs up from GAWD will cure all that ails you.)

      Christian marriages would go extinct in a decade.

      • Reality.Bites

        Well no, because it will never happen – just like it hasn’t happened in Canada or any of the 30+ states where marriage is already legal. They can pretend all they want that they’d be forced to perform real marriages if they also perform straight “marriages,” but that’s not the case anywhere.

        • RoFaWh

          Here in BC, over 50% of marriages are solemnized by marriage commissioners — public servants.

          • hudson11

            Vancouver, BC here. We had a commissioner perform our wedding in our back yard with 37 friends and family. No religious stuff that would have meant nothing to us.

    • GW in NZ

      I lived in conservative and very catholic Switzerland for a number of years and there this is precisely the case. Everyone has to marry in the local registry office for the union to be recognised in law; a church wedding can then take place, but this in itself has no legal standing whatsoever.
      It’s so frustrating that the churches (and it’s the same here in NZ) have blurred these lines and forgotten that they are merely acting as agents of the state . I would happily see the Swiss model imposed here: no more of this tedious flapping about nothing.

      • Reality.Bites

        It’s not at all the same thing. In Switzerland the Church CAN NOT perform a legal wedding.

        This is a case of being able to, but refusing to.

        However it’s not civil disobedience, it’s just cutting off their nose to spite their face.

  • brian

    Call me a simpleton but I don’t get it. Just how are they going to be negatively affected? How will their lives change? If marriage has been so wonderful to you why not share it with everyone? On a personal note, my long term boyfriend and I tied the knot during the “Prop 8 window”. We now enjoy the same federal benefits that our straight neighbors enjoy. Not one of them lost anything when we two gay men married after “living in sin” for 25 years. They benefitted from us marrying, they get to attend a great back yard party, most drank too much champagne and all seemed to enjoy the crab and lobsters. All 150 of them. To my knowledge, they lost nothing/nada/zilch. This greedy fucker needs to wake up to the not so new reality that equal rights are just that. #christianprivledgesucks

    • People4Humanity

      Congratulations, men!
      Next time you might wish to reconsider the benefits of such a protracted engagement?

      • brian


      • Love. This. Cake!!!

      • hudson11 says everything so simply!!

  • Turtle73

    Not that I think it’ll happen, but if 16 million Southern Baptists want to stand up and prevent gays and lesbians from enjoying the rights and responsibilities of marriage once the Supreme Court rules, I’m more than happy to build prisons to house them.

    • People4Humanity

      If King-for-Life Imam Habib Obama will just write one of his final Presidential Pardons freeing all those convicted and imprisoned on trumped-up marijuana charges, it should free up plenty of prison space for these hardened criminal types. Praize! Glory!

    • Well, we do have those empty Wallmarts in Texas, and a few military bases going empty, and some shuttered schools. I think we could manage to squeeze em in here and there, without building nice new shiny prisons, cause ya know that would really cut into their whole persecution shtick they are currently working. Maybe we could open up Alcatraz for em?

  • Freeman

    The Southern Baptists need to spell out exactly the nature of their threats against gay citizens of the United States. We have heard recently from the present and former heads of this organization both making implied threats of violence. If it is true that they are not prone to hyperbole, then people need to take these words seriously.

  • Macbill

    “We shall run red lights and refrain from stopping at Stop signs. We will yell “Fire” in theaters and j-walk with impunity. You risk society at large should the gheys get to marry”.

  • pch1013

    LOL. At the first tiny hint that they might experience the slightest level of inconvenience or discomfort, they will collectively wet their Depends® and flee to the security of their Barcaloungers.

  • jeffg166

    The Southern Baptist Convention was formed to support slavery. That worked out well for them didn’t it.

  • Skokieguy

    Dear Jackie:
    So that we (and the Supreme Court) may fully understand your threat and treat it will all the dignity and seriousness it deserves, please describe what this civil disobedience will look like. What actions will you and your followers take that will result in possible jail time? Will you assume responsibility for acts committed in the name of disobeying any potential Supreme Court ruling, since you are clearly encouraging and recommending this behavior?

  • jerrelt

    How does one commit civil disobedience against another person’s wedding? Invade and disrupt the service? I don’t understand what they are threatening to do. They do realize they have no obligation to perform a same sex wedding, or are they just pretending ignorance for the sake of being demogogues?

  • KnownDonorDad

    “But there’s a coming a day, I believe, that many Christians personally and churches corporately will need to practice civil disobedience on this issue.”

    Weasel words. Some point in the hazy future, that is, never. Just like the Rapture.

  • dcurlee

    Well if that’s the way you want it be sure to use soap on a rope cause you ain’t gonna wanna drop it

  • Octavio

    And this is happening in Texas; a family, fun and firearms state. Good to know.

    • Reality.Bites

      Octavio, I wanted to bring up something you said a few days ago, but I feared the thread was so old you’d never see it.

      You mentioned El Squeeze “snores like an animal.” Has he been checked for sleep apnea? While not all snorers have it, many do, and it’s definitely a disease common in overweight diabetic men of middle age or older.

      If during the night his snoring suddenly stops, followed a few seconds or up to a minute or two later by a sharp intake of breath, that’s a good indication he has it.

      If he does have sleep apnea, treatment will greatly improve the quality of his life as well as the quality of your sleep. It will also reduce the chances of a stroke or heart attack.

      • People4Humanity

        I read sleeping on one’s side ameliorates this condition as well.

        • Reality.Bites

          Yes, for some it does, but it’s a pretty stopgap method. Weight loss helps as well, if it’s an underlying cause. It can hit anyone though. I remember one time at the sleep lab there were four heavy-set middle-aged men and a slim woman in her twenties.

          I of course was the slim woman in her twenties. 😉 (Of course it’s possible she was there for a sleep study for a completely different reason)

      • Octavio

        Thanks for the interest. Yup. Mi apretón (El Squeeze) has serious problem with apnea. He’s been to the sleep clinic and has a CPAP, but he hates it and knocks it off in his sleep. His power lifting is sort of a problem. He’s really into having big arms, thighs, back etc., but it’s just a matter of time before he tears a rotator cuff — or worse. I’m slowly getting him into the idea of doing more aerobic stuff (bicycling, in-line skates, jogging) with the hope he’ll lose some of the excess thickness and learn to love being lean/sinewy. He can have all of the big muscles he wants, but the thickness isn’t good for him. But he’s gotta do what he’s gotta do. I’ll be real pissed if he dies before I do. His father dropped dead from a heart attack at 54. He’s about 54-55 right now.

        • Reality.Bites

          You can’t force someone, unfortunately. I know that compliance is very problematic among people with sleep apnea. I personally don’t understand why though. I feel terrible the next morning when I haven’t used it. (I fall asleep very rapidly and am often so tired when going to bed that I fall asleep before putting it on.)

        • My hubby has a CPAP for a few years now and is pretty good about not pulling it off. He went through a few mask designs before finding one comfortable enough. It sure helps me sleep, lol, the windows don’t rattle at night! Seriously, though, before the CPAP, I witnessed his stopped breathing a few times. Scary.

          • Octavio

            I agree. El Squeeze stops breathing and I immediately hold my breath waiting for him to resume. Sometimes I just push him hard and he’ll change from sleeping on his back to either side, which means he’ll snooze away for an hour or two without snoring. But the not breathing is very scary.

  • sword

    If only we could get the police to go after these “Anti-Americans” like they go after African-American kids wanting to use a public swimming pool!

  • Jim

    Good Lord but it’s the season of Baptist blowhards, each trying to huff and puff harder than all the others. Want to do some serious civil disobedience, Jack? Tell the IRS that you’ve stopped paying your taxes on account of gay marriage. I dare you. You haven’t got the balls and we all know it. Putz.

  • So…. The Supreme Court should do what they say or lots of religious people will break the law or even get violent?

  • CMarks

    Putting these folks in jail would be the best use of my tax dollars ever! Round’em up!

  • J̶a̶l̶a̶p̶e̶ñJoe Smithson

    They hardly muster support for marches and rallies. The protests over abortion are minimal. This is nothing but a barking dog that won’t hunt.

  • John Calendo

    It’s not exactly clear what they think they are going to do. Lie down in the street and block access to city hall? Boo the exiting couples, like Westboro? Not serving gay people?…which would be about Civil Rights law, not marriage law. By the time the ruling comes down, they will have shot their shot on this. It’s a temper tantrum, and for my part, I don’t care how long they throw themselves on the ground and hold their breath. Knock yourself out, fundies.

  • M Jackson

    Dallas, my hometown, might be a good place to start and end this fabled civil disobedience, if it ever advances past the empty bluster phase.
    There’s a strong LGBT community, and a true liberal streak running through the population that has developed over the last 20 years or so. I know of scads of people who would love to push back against the Baptist presence in Big D.

  • Reality.Bites

    Seems to me that if they wanted to scare the Supremes into doing their bidding they’d tell them exactly what they would do by way of civil disobedience. Putting aside, of course, that the decision has already been made but just hasn’t been released yet.

  • OCW

    So when asked how this civil disobedience will manifest itself, he can’t even give an answer other than they will accept jail time? You have to do something to earn jail time baby — throw us a little info.
    Example: organizing a protest rally against the gays, say, a sit-in on the main road in town.
    It is a shame, though, that they have taken the time-honored notion of civil disobedience and will use it to DENY justice to others. The exact opposite of how it should work

  • If only they were this passionate about dealing with the pedophiles running their churches and raping their children, and the pedophile enablers who provided a whole new crop of innocent children in another parish each time the pedo got caught. I guess that’s all a part of god’s plan… but treating gays like human beings is not…

  • David Lightman

    OMG massive numbers of evangelicals are going to civil disobey by not marrying someone of the same sex?!?!?! Oh the humanity!!!!!!

  • Bill T.

    Marriage equality will force thousands of anti-gay scofflaws to run red lights and jaywalk for Jesus.

  • Dale Snyder

    Go for it, big boy, start the charge yourself!

  • nocadrummer

    Sounds strikingly like their reaction when the Supreme Court decided that inter-racial marriage was not illegal either.
    As I recall, they’re STILL complaining about that.

    • Homo Erectus

      Those Southern Baptists have had their panties in a wad ever since the Emancipation Proclamation.

  • Homo Erectus

    Jack, honey – please STFU until you pay your fair share of the taxes needed to run this country.

    • Robincho

      I sorta grew up on Garfield Street in Carbondale, Colorado, and now I’m prouder of that than ever!

  • Sporkfighter

    “But there’s a coming a day, I believe, that many Christians personally and churches corporately will need to practice civil disobedience on this issue.”

    I wonder if anyone will notice.

    • People4Humanity

      Corporations are people, my friends.
      ~ Mitt Rmoney

      • Sporkfighter

        Greedy people.

  • guest

    ..see, divorce isn’t illegal, the only thing keeping many of them from marrying the same sex is that it currently is illegal…some of their own congregation will show up with a same sex spouse and that’s where it gets complicated for them…they are threatening and preaching to the choir

  • Dale082

    Fuck these ignorant rednecks … Oh, how I long for the good old days. *sigh*

    • I wish that had actually happened. We can still correct it, though.

  • Daniel

    “I hope we never live to find out what that looks like” [said Graham when asked what if 16 million Southern Baptists engaged in civil disobedience]

    Oh, uh-huh. Well, sure, okeh, scary li’l Hopalong Graham, I’ll play: There is a storm coming and I am afraid. There, happy?

    Graham told me “There are many Christians today who are preparing if necessary to go to jail.”

    Well, now, don’t let’s be hasty. I’d like to think as a society we’ve moved beyond throwing the mentally ill in jail; Reagan shut down a lot of mental hospitals to teach a bootstrapping lesson to those who had made the choice to be mentally ill, but there are probably still enough of them left to house, for the protection of themselves and society, a fair proportion of those nominal grownups who pray to imaginary friends and cringe in fear of babyish ghost stories from the bronze age.

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    The SBC is showing its true colors. They were founded because they didn’t like that the northern baptists opposed slavery. The SBC has never met a form of bigotry that it didn’t like.

  • Jude Newton

    Stopping your feet in a temper tantrum is not “civil obedience”, it is a condition called Spoiled Little Brat Syndrome. Go seek help.

  • Jeff

    Just to be clear, they are “Southern” Baptist and not mainstream Baptist because they refused black people.

  • teedofftaxpayer

    It’s probably be two guys with a cock fight.

    • Well, with SBC, it’ll probably be two neutered ponces in a grain of rice fight.

    • Reality.Bites

      I thought that’s what a gay marriage is…

      • teedofftaxpayer

        No Gay marriages is when to guys love each other but the right wingers consider marriage two people who hate each other but stay together for the sake of the kids.

  • Jeffrey Samuels

    Wow! 16 million Baptists refusing to marry someone of the same gender. How will the world survive?

  • TexPlant

    exactly what will they disobey? Gay people are getting married not them – so what can they do other than fix their face with that disapproving constipated look?

  • JCF

    FFS, spare me, you

  • bambinoitaliano

    This can be use over and over again on these nutzies.

    • As painful as that scene was to watch for Cersie, I loved that bell swinging bitch. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!

  • Bob M

    This guy was heavily involved with the Plano Equal Rights Ordinance thing, the petitions to throw out the Ordinance that got thrown out because the rules for filing the petitions were not followed for proper petition filing. I don’t recall any “massive civil disobedience” over that. You would have thought they should have gone really crazy about losing that one.

  • And be prepared to suck my farts for that’s all I’ll give.

  • 2guysnamedjoe

    These guys have a lot of unstable, angry, armed followers. I’m just hoping no one gets hurt because of their “civil disobedience”.

    • leastyebejudged

      There won’t be. Most “Christians” are at heart, cowards.

  • Bj Lincoln

    Just like the GOP, they scream about issues that don’t effect them but offer no solution or replacement ideas. All bark………

  • Blake Jordan

    We just have to worry if they go violent, which is the main option of the religious…

  • leastyebejudged

    “So what would it look like if 16 million Southern Baptists engaged in civil disobedience?”

    A lot like WalMart on a Saturday afternoon.
    It ain’t purty.

  • John T

    To organize “massive civil disobedience” you need lots of people with high levels of discipline and willingness to take risks. Southern Baptists are not the right type of people.

    On the other hand, I could totally see a critical mass of Southern Baptists organizing an underground campaign to fund an anti-gay militia and pay to support others to do their dirty work, er, God’s work, for them.

  • Mark

    Another day. Another bigot.

  • RobynWatts

    Ann……Computer says no….

    Also, you been flagged. Bye now.

  • Today could be the day, after 10:00 a.m., when the United States Supreme Court finally rules whether or not the freedom to marry across our homeland USA is our constitutional birthright.

  • NMNative

    Better start building those extra jails we’re going to need.

  • wmforr

    Was that Mel Gibson snuff movie so popular that now they ALL want to be crucified?