Bush Bucks Trump On Russian Election Meddling

Politico reports:

Former President George W. Bush said Thursday that there is “pretty clear evidence that the Russians meddled” in the 2016 presidential election, a seeming rebuke of President Donald Trump, who has at times questioned the intelligence community’s assessment that the Kremlin is to blame.

“Whether (Russia) affected the outcome is another question,” Bush said at conference in Abu Dhabi, according to a report. “It’s problematic that a foreign nation is involved in our election system. Our democracy is only as good as people trust the results.”

The former president did not mention Trump by name, but Bush’s unequivocal statements on the issue ran counter to the rhetoric that has emerged from the Trump administration.

  • Smokey

    “Any idiot can face a crisis – it’s day to day living that wears you out.” – Anton Chekhov

  • boatboy_srq

    George W. Bush: as pResident he was an idiot, but at least he was OUR idiot.

    • Tread

      The cold bodies of over a half a million Iraqis beg to differ.

      • boatboy_srq

        They’d disagree that he was an idiot?

        Or would you prefer that he’d been a Saudi plant?

        • Tread

          He was never an idiot, despite the bumbling exterior he put on. He is a horrible human being surrounded by equal or more horrible people.

          • Christopher

            I agree that W is no idiot. You’re correct there. But I think it’s hard to separate the exterior (what we witnessed day in and day out), to what we knew was going on behind closed doors. Still pretty sure that Cheney was the cause of most of it. Now HE’S an evil sonofabitch!

          • boatboy_srq

            Still US property not a foreign puppet.

            I’m not excusing him – just pointing out that treason wasn’t in him. Corruption, spite, vengefulness, pettiness, sure; but all of that as a US citizen not a Kremlin stooge.

          • Tread

            They started the erosion of the pillars of our democracy. The Trump team is just taking what they started and turning the volume up to 11.

          • Todd20036

            Actually, Nixon started it, but I see where you are getting at.

            W was a disgrace of a president who should be tried on war crimes.

            But not for treason.

            Faint praise, indeed.

          • JeauxFan

            Plus if Bush had had his way, the Wall Street thieves would have made off with the future retirement of every American who was stoopid enough to go along with his retarded “invest your social security benefits” idea, no doubt pitched to him by the banks and other about-to-crash-the-economy Wall Street institutions.

          • boatboy_srq

            I still fail to see how his bumbling puts him in quite the same sphere as the current maladministration unless you’re saying Lord Dampnut is better because he hasn’t opened undeclared war on anyone (yet).

          • Tread

            Romanticizing a fuckwad such as W as being “our idiot” is shitty and unnecessary. I don’t want to claim an asshole who started a fucking war to avenge his daddy. He isn’t “my” anything. And Trump wants his nuclear war with North Korea so hard. You don’t think they’re putting the chess pieces for that to happen in place? You don’t think they’ll actually execute before the midterms this year?

          • YakHerder

            That is indeed what I’m saying. Killing hundreds of thousands of people, destroying a country, and destabilizing an entire region for no good reason is in fact worse than not doing that.

          • boatboy_srq

            Well then, enjoy your pResident tRump.

          • MBear

            It sounds like you dont want to own the nightmare of a trump administration.

            Trump is american.
            The american system put him in power.
            The continued apathy of americans keeps him in office and allows him to garner more wealth at the expense of taxpayers.

            By making him “the other” you are not taking responsibility.

        • MBear

          He was a saudi plant

      • Christopher

        He may have been OUR idiot, but that will never excuse him for the atrocities committed by his administration.

  • Christopher

    Trump is so horrible I miss W.

    THAT is saying something!

    “Hey can we get the guy back whose VP shot his lawyer/friend in the face?”

    • Smokey

      At least their evil didn’t seek to overthrow the foundations of our Republic like the current maladministration.

      • Tread

        They set the stage and wrote the screenplay.

      • MBear

        Pretty much crashed the world economy, but sure: romanticise the fkhead.

        This is why we cant have nice things

        • Smokey

          Under no illusions. Comparing degrees of evil is not always an easy task.

    • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

      The kick in the head is that now his die hard former supporters view him as a traitor to the cause. Nothing you can tell those right wing people will peel them from their orange Messiah.

    • YakHerder

      The Iraq War, the Hurricane Katrina response, and the global financial crisis are orders of magnitude worse than anything that Trump has done.

  • lymis

    Good for him.

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN

    The Trump crime family’s denials of collusion are as fake as daddy Dotard’s comb over… A brisk wind and all is revealed.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ec6c46aef5c92f22d5f8e5414fa86c7b270c30fe54ce14d5b9209f0b218769a.jpg

  • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

    Thank you republicans. I am now nostalgic for the Dubya days.

    • YakHerder

      Two endless wars, the creation of the modern mass-surveillance/NatSec state, a city underwater, global financial crisis…you cannot be serious.

      • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

        Like cancer

        • YakHerder

          What?

          • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

            As serious as cancer.

  • MikeBx2
  • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

    JFC — House Intel Committe gonna build a wall separating Dems from pukes. I thought it was another “wall” joke

    https://twitter.com/Spider_canyon/status/961613480749973504

    • Smokey

      Building walls is the only solution the R’s seem to know.

  • Chitown Kev

    Joe, Bush Bucking Trump is not a headline that I needed to see this morning.

  • Longpole

    What? It’s alive? It speaks? Too late, you should have been saying this a lot sooner.

    • MichaelJ

      Yes, too late. And he should be saying more now. He should be saying that regardless of whether Russian meddling influenced the US election’s outcome, it is wrong, should not be tolerated, and everything possible must be done to prevent it from happening again.

      And even if his ruling-class sensibilities prevent him from mentioning Trump or anyone else by name, he should make it clear that any elected official who denies Russian meddling in the face of the evidence, does not condone it, and does nothing to prevent it from happening again is a traitor to the country.

    • YakHerder

      No one ever needs to hear from that war criminal ever again.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
    • Michael McReavy

      Only In Russia is a pretty amusing twitter feed. Thanks for posting this.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      A boyfriend in every pot!

      • MT YVR

        I AM in Vancouver so a slight rearrange of those words and it fits…

        • JCF

          Every boyfriend into pot?

  • FAEN

    And obese 71 yr old Joffrey will go after GW in 3…2..1.

  • alc2018
  • billbear1961

    I love JUSTICE with my entire being.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ItpR5TQaRc

  • Rex

    What really surprises me is that there is clear evidence that a foreign government, namely Russia, meddled in the Presidential election and so many Americans are unconcerned about this. There was a time when Russia was the evil enemy, but now, meh. A-meh-ica better wake up.

    • Karl Dubhe

      Religion. The Russians courted the Evangelicals, the Evangelicals make up the Republican party.

      Shitty way to find out about an Achilles heal. 🙁

    • Michael R
    • kelven

      Pure Tribalism. Fox and the GOP have been poisoning the national dialog for so long now, the base will overlook any past lines in the sand as long as their king and his kind is “the winner”.

      • ted-

        Faux News should be ashamed of themselves. But, those pig fuckers aren’t.

    • YakHerder

      The reason that no one cares about Russian meddling in the election is that (1) the “meddling” was honestly pretty trivial and (2) many people don’t care about elections at all, because they (correctly) perceive that there is not a political party that is actually being honest with them or fighting for their interests. Tapping into that second sentiment—not Russian meddling—is why Trump won.

      Until the Democrats actually decide to stand for a bold economic and social policy agenda that benefits ordinary peoples’ lives, the party is going to continue to suffer. “Russia” did not cause the Democrats to hemorrhage statehouse seats and governorships across the country over the last 10 years. “Russia” is not the problem—the GOP is. The Democratic Party needs to stop blaming Russia (a losing strategy), flip the middle finger to their out-of-touch donor class, and start actually fighting for a progressive social and economic agenda.

      • How do you know the meddling was trivial? There’s been so much effort to block a full and complete investigation that the public only knows a tiny fraction of what Mueller knows. You have no idea whether the meddling was trivial or not.

        • YakHerder

          Pardon me: “(1) Based on the currently-available evidence the ‘meddling’ was honestly pretty trivial.”

          Better?

          • Not really. Its a stupid comment to make when you know you have access to so little information. Just yesterday there were new reports (on top of older reports) that Russians successfully tapped into voter rolls. The currently-available evidence we have — and we the public just have access to the tip of the iceberg — suggests that there’s a very good likelihood that it was a big fucking deal.

    • Vista-Cruiser

      I think that there are a lot of hard-core Republicans who know that Trump colluded with the Russians and are glad that he did so, because it put Republicans in control of the entire US government.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Bush bucks Trump!
    Putin’s forearm (almost) dislodged from the Dotard’s keister.

  • Boreal
    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Even this lifelong progressive liberal finds himself remembering the Shrub years – almost wistfully.

      • Boreal

        I still think W is a scumbag preznit/war criminal but dump is even worse.

        • Dreaming Vertebrate

          There is a huge golf between your garden-variety idiot (Shrub) and a Nazi-coddling, fn’ moron (the Dotard).

          • Boreal

            Shrub is still a maggot. Remember that the get out the vote in 2004 for repigs was to pass constitutional amendments so gay people couldn’t marry.

          • Ninja0980

            And he put Alito and Roberts on SCOTUS.

          • Tread

            Dude, you’re really stretching to label W as a “garden-variety idiot.” The fucker was a calculating jackass. He knew what he was doing.

          • Judas Peckerwood

            Yeah tell that to the hundreds of thousands of dead in Iraq and their families.

        • YakHerder

          Killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people is worse than being an idiot. Trump is a buffoon, but he hasn’t (yet) committed literal war crimes, or spent trillions of dollars on a multi-decade war based on lies. Anyone nostalgic for W either has a terrible memory or was never really a progressive in the first place. The death count is not even close.

          • Boreal

            I don’t recall in my meme saying I was nostalgic for him. I do recall saying he is a war criminal.

          • YakHerder

            Well, you replied favorably to Dreaming Vertebrate’s comment about “remembering the Shrub years almost wistfully,” agreeing that W was a war criminal but that Trump “is even worse.” No meme necessary.

          • Boreal

            I replied favorably? That’s your reason? There is nothing favorable in my replies about W so I can only conclude you are being a major douchebag for some reason and lack reading comprehension. Also I don’t answer to you. Please make a note of it.

          • YakHerder

            Noted. I think I’m just really, really angry with liberals who rehabilitate George W. Bush, and some of that splashback got on you. I am curious though: how is Trump worse than W?

          • Boreal

            Piss off I don’t answer to assholes who don’t read my comments before responding and attacking me. If you’re too fucking dumb to figure why trump is worse then I’m not going to be able to help you.

          • YakHerder

            Let’s see: Two multi-decade wars, one of which was a fucking war crime, that have cost so much blood and treasure and ruin; a global financial crisis that destroyed countless peoples’ lives (while making a few people almost unimaginably rich) and that continues to ripple through the world economy; the building of the modern mass-surveillance/national-security state; the (at least ) negligent drowning of an American city’s Black population; the idea that you can kidnap and hold captive any person forever without trial as long as you use the words “enemy combatant”; fucking torture

            Versus: being a jackass; appointing incompetent people to run the government; signing laws that massively transferred wealth from poor to rich; appointing really bad judges to the federal courts—all things that W did. He’s worse on immigration than W, for sure. But worse overall?

      • Gerry Fisher

        When alumni from his Yale graduating class visited, one former classmate was a trans person. Shrub said, “I’m glad that you were able to come as yourself.” The man is human. A not very bright human who supported some appalling policies. But he’s human. Even, “He wanted to murder my dad, so I want revenge on Saddam Hussein” is human.

        • Judas Peckerwood

          Yeah, his war on Iraq was supposedly in response to 9-11, which involved exactly ZERO Iraqis. And the war wound up killing hundreds of thousands of people — a very “human” response to someone wanting to kill your dad.

        • whollyfool

          Thank you. I didn’t know that.

        • YakHerder

          I’m sure Bush’s “humanity” will be a great comfort for the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi families killed or displaced by U.S. troops, al-Qaeda in Iraq, or ISIS—none of whom would have been in Iraq if not for good ol’ W.

    • stevenj

      Don’t worry W – many of us still do think you are an idiot, and worse.

  • OT- Does the lovely and so reassuringly optimistic Republican luminary that is Meghan McCain honestly believe that the toilet-mouthed serial liar sociopath criminal scum that holds the office of the Presidency by hook and crook — seriously value her father for anything? He sunk Trumpcare and saved healthcare for millions of unhealthy people who, frankly, have no place in Trump’s master American view because they, in his sick mind, are unhealthy proles that cost money to keep alive.

  • Michael R

    There should be a FISA warrant on everyone on this administration

  • TexasBoy

    I can’t believe that Trump is making George W look like a Rhodes Scholar in comparison.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      It’s almost as if Shrub was an elitist plant all along!
      Weird!

      • jmax
    • Karl Dubhe

      If Trump talked as much as Bush did, then hmmm…

      Actually, after Bush, someone like Trump should have been expected. If trump’s not properly dealt with, the next Republican president will be even dumber.

  • kelven

    “The enemy of my enemy..” and all that, but George is still a putz who was the figurehead of another criminal administration.

  • Tread

    Stop trying to elevate W as some “aw-shucks,” gullible, Gomer-Pyle-style idiot. He wasn’t. He knew exactly what he was doing. He started a war that killed over 35,000 American service members casualties (4000+ killed) and killed over 500,000 Iraqi civilians because he was avenging his daddy. If that’s not evil on the level of Trump, I don’t know what is. Just because it didn’t happen to Americans, doesn’t make it right.

    • octobercountry

      I’m not defending Bush at all, but wonder where you’re getting your 35,000 figure from. I thought less than 5,000 American soldiers died in the Iraq war?

      • Tread

        Oops! You’re right. I meant to say 35,000 casualties (4000+ killed).

  • Pucks yer Mackd

    You know you suck as a president when dumb ass bush Is rightfully criticizing your job!

  • jimbo65

    I really don’t understand why the living ex presidents don’t unite and call a press conference to lay out the case of how 45 is a clear and present danger. To hell with “norms and traditions ” that has been forever blown out of the water by this buffoon we now have as POTUS

    • billbear1961

      Yes, I’ve been thinking exactly the same thing.

  • David Walker

    Sort of OT: Interesting that the twig now feels safe enough to leave the country. The idea that he would be arrested immediately for crimes against humanity and the breaking of other international laws must have faded. On the other hand, Abu Dhabi probably sees him as a friend, so he’s safe there.

  • BobSF_94117

    Coward

  • BobSF_94117

    It’s only about a 30% buck.

  • Ninja0980

    Remember how this asshole got us into a pointless war and using anti-LGBT bigotry to get reelected?
    Fuck you W.

    • bzrd

      two wars that seem endless, one 16+ years the other 15 which have cost $$$$$$$$$$$$, and are endless

  • Hank

    Admitting that Russia hacked our elections and “may” have influenced the results, means Herr Drumpf would have to acknowledge, that he was INDEED a LOOSER!!!

  • paddis

    The rehabilitation of a war criminal (‘I’m the war president, the war president”) into elder statesman, now offering up his sudden wisdom on democracy and foreign meddling. And people get all nostalgic for him.

    Gore Vidal was right. This truly is the United States of Amnesia.

  • Gerry Fisher

    The fact that “Russia meddled” (in ways that went largely undetected at the time) should rattle all Americans, regardless of whether it changed the outcome. That it *could* have altered the outcome, or future outcomes, is chilling enough. Bush is doing the (minimally) right thing, here.

  • Lindoro Almaviva

    That moment in the Dumb and Dumber show when Dumb says something profound…

  • Tempus Fuggit

    Our democracy is only as good as people trust the results.

    Oooh, almost a sentence!

  • TheManicMechanic

    I… I miss Dubya. There, I had to say it. It’s that bad.

    *runs away to take a Silkwood shower*

    • stevenj

      From Nixon to Reagan to Bush I to Bush II to trump. The Republican presidents have gone from bad to absolutely horrible to nightmarish. One thing sticks out for all of them. Their evil desire for money and/or power.

  • JWC

    Its time for the GOP in Senate to stop being the chicken shits that they are, grow a spine and a set of balls. STAND UP TO TRUMP

    • Vista-Cruiser

      Why would they? He signs whatever they put in front of him.

    • YakHerder

      Why would they “stand up” to someone who allows them to consolidate and maintain power?

      • JWC

        cuz maybe that why they were elected

  • Vista-Cruiser

    But but but… the Russians were working with the Republican Party, so any investigations of this are TOTALLY BIASED against Republicans and WORSE THAN WATERGATE!!!

    /s

  • JCF

    Dubya, stop making me miss you, you fuckwit!