Pope Francis: Fake News Caused The Original Sin

NBC News reports:

Fake news led to Adam and Eve’s original sin, Pope Francis said Wednesday. Disinformation and “manipulative use of social networks” can have “dire consequences” and the world must embark on a “profound and careful process of discernment,” he added in a speech marking World Communications Day.

Fake news — a term popularized by President Donald Trump — is “a sign of intolerant and hypersensitive attitudes, and leads only to the spread of arrogance and hatred,” Francis said. There is no such thing as harmless disinformation, he said.

“We need to unmask what could be called the ‘snake-tactics’ used by those who disguise themselves in order to strike at any time and place,” he said. “This was the strategy employed by the ‘crafty serpent’ in the Book of Genesis, who, at the dawn of humanity, created the first fake news which began the tragic history of human sin.”

  • Tawreos

    But it’s all fake news when it comes to your kiddy raping priests, isn’t it Franky?

    • Bluto

      & when it isn’t it’s the victims fault.

      • Will Parkinson

        Oh, but he apologized, so that makes it okay. Or something.

        • Tawreos

          His apology will make it OK when all of those kids get unfucked.

          • Will Parkinson

            Yup. That’s perfect.

  • Refugay

    “Sin is the original fake news.” There, fixed it for you.

  • Gustav2

    So Fake News is why women feel pain in childbirth and can’t be priests.

    • Todd20036

      Why would any woman even want to join the RCC?

      • Lizard

        There’s more female representation in Catholic iconography than Protestant, hands down. The central icon is a woman holding a baby and there are countless female saints, whereas Protestantism is largely a Jesus-centered sausage party.

        • Gustav2

          The RCC know’s its audience.

      • cleos_mom

        Why would any woman want to cover her head for her earthly lifetime because the sight of her hair might cause some poor innocent male humanoid to get a woody? We’ve all seen examples by now of people defending things that are not in their best interests.

      • Bj Lincoln

        The church knew women would not want to give up their female Goddesses for an all male God so they made Mary their Goddess. Being a virgin giving birth to the son of God is a very high honor and drew Pagan women to the church. Much like making Dec. 25th the birth of Jesus and viewing relics. It was a political move to draw people in and had nothing to do with the religion.

        • Franciscan

          Or, you might say, it had everything to do with organized religion, which evolves hand-in-hand with politics.

          • Nowhereman

            Hmm. “Organ-ized”. Never looked at the root of the word that way. In most religions, it’s the male organs.

  • bkmn

    Believing in a sky god is a big part of the problem. If you are gullible enough to do that, the scammers know you are an easy touch.

  • another_steve

    Well, girlfriend, if you continue to believe in talking snakes, lots of folks ain’t gonna listen to ya.

    • Todd20036

      Actually, my snake talks. Usually it says, “I’M HUNGRY”

      • another_steve

        Your snake is a slut.

        My snake is, well, calm and subdued these days.

        • Todd20036

          My snake gets me into a LOT of trouble
          Have yet to fuck a priest, though

          But if you count the Limelight, I did get lucky in a church…

          • Tawreos

            Once you pass puberty it is very hard to get them interested in you.

          • Chef Philips

            That you know of

          • TCinBerkeley

            That you know of. A friend was seeing a fella who turned out to be a priest. The friend is fairly religious and dumped him when he found out.

          • Gustav2

            LOL

          • MT YVR

            The single most impressive one I know of was a friend who did. In a church. On the altar.

            As an adult.

            We were all a bit surprised there wasn’t a massive boom of thunder every time he went by one after that, but there you go.

        • Tawreos

          Until Jared arrives.

          • another_steve

            I’ll press my snake against the prison visitor’s window, with Jared on the other side, and ask him to wave at it.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    World flat? Discernment required.

  • MBear

    Fuck the popes mother

  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

    Fake news has filled Catholic churches with gold, finery and treasures for centuries.

    • Gustav2

      That is called “dogma.”

      • David Walker

        Does one’s dogma need a license?

        • Gustav2

          No, but I might need a few shots to listen to it.

    • Chef Philips

      Millennia, even! Not to mention the frankincense, myrrh, and other goodies.

      (Mary.) Well, what is myrrh, anyway?
      (King #1.) It is a valuable balm.
      (Mary.) A balm? What are you giving him a balm for? It might bite him….
      (King #2.) What?
      (Mary.) That’s a dangerous animal–quick, throw it in the trough!
      (King #3.) No it isn’t!
      (Mary.) Yes, it is. It’s great big . . . (making horns on head with hands)
      (King #1.) No, no, no it is an ointment.
      (Mary.) Aw, there is an animal called a balm; or did I dream it?

      https://youtu.be/WIjBO26qjYM

      • Tawreos

        Thank you for the gold and the frankincense, but don’t worry about the myrrh so much next time all right?

      • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

        Another movie that I doubt could be made or distributed today.

        • David Walker

          I posted Tom Lehrer’s “The Vatican Rag” elsewhere and the thought occurred to me…would this guy be allowed to perform and record or enjoy wide distribution? From “Poisoning Pigeons in the Park” to his hunting song, I can’t imagine him getting an OK from the politically correct of either side. Equal opportunity offender, which is why I found him so wonderfully hysterical.

          • Chef Philips

            You mean, today?

            As I’m sure you know, David, Tom Lehrer *did* perform and record, and his records *were* distributed by Warner Bros Records (his label was ‘Reprise,’ which was Warner’s “B” label, although some huge artists and records were put out on it). How many units he sold is another question entirely! 🙂

          • David Walker

            His entry in Wikipedia comments that “Lehrer later commented that worldwide sales of the recordings under Reprise surpassed 1.8 million units in 1996. That same year, the album That Was The Year That Was went gold.[21] The album liner notes (and Lehrer himself in one routine) promote his songs with self-deprecating humor. (“I know it’s very bad form to quote one’s own reviews, but there is something the New York Times said about me [in 1958], that I have always treasured: ‘Mr. Lehrer’s muse [is] not fettered by such inhibiting factors as taste.”)
            It was a time when my sense of humor was being informed by Stan Freberg, Shelley Berman, “Beyond the Fringe,” the Murder movies with Margaret Rutherford, the Carry On series, and then the Smothers Brothers and Flanders and Swann and the humor kept coming…Phyllis Diller, Bob Newhart, Bea Lillie, Mike Nichols and Elaine May, Anne Meara and Jerry Stiller, TV’s variety shows. Most of it was still pretty tame, Lenny Bruce being an exception, along with Moms Mabley and Red Foxx and Rusty Warren “party records” [I would have been excommunicated by my family had I bought Rusty Warren’s “Knockers Up” album, although I knew it by heart thanks to a friend. It also kept threats of violence at bay because in addition to giving me jokes, these people taught me how jokes work. And then there was Tom Lehrer who was simply unique. I loved him.

            Would most of these people be allowed to work today? For the most part, although some would be challenged and generally dissed, but I think Tom Lehrer would have folks in a genuine quandary. Liberals would take offense at his liberal jabs and conservatives have no sense of humor. Tough call, but I don’t think he’d stand a chance today.

          • whollyfool

            Razor sharp satire. International Brotherhood Week is perfect in its skewering of hypocracy.
            His Werner Von Braun still gives me chills.

          • whollyfool

            Also, anyone who can rhyme something with Kyrie Eleison is great in my book.

          • David Walker

            His biggest successes, I suppose, came during the ’60s, when I being all sophisticated and everything. We’ll All Go Together When We Go, The Old Dope Peddler, The Masochism Tango, I Got It From Agnes…what a collection of craziness. But I really doubt that he’d find acceptance today. I mean, where would one sing “Poisoning Pigeons in the Park”? Well, at least we hear his songs and we got it and it warped us for the rest of our lives. Thank you, Dr. Lehrer.

        • skyweaver

          Did you see the debate that John Cleese and Michael Palin had at the time with church leaders who were really distraught about the Life of Brian? You can find it on youtube

          • David Raymore

            I saw that documentary on YouTube with that busybody woman, Mary Whitehouse, who started that bs in the first place. The towns who banned it made people go to other towns to watch it. Thankfully that ban ended many years ago.

          • whollyfool

            I’ve seen it. It’s fantastic and well worth watching for the debate itself as well as some insight on the movie.

          • skyweaver

            I agree! My heart went out to Cleese and Palin, two very thoughtful writers and performers. Cleese said years later he really honestly went with the intent of having an actual debate, but it was disheartening because neither two religious men would listen at all. It’s pretty evident during the show that that was true.

      • David Raymore

        I love that movie. When the Pythons went to the Sermon on the Mount, they had a hard time hearing Jesus’ speech. They thought he was saying “Blessed are the Greeks” and “Blessed are the Cheesemakers.” I also liked Michael Palin doing the Roman leader with a bad lisp, especially when he said his best friend is “Biggus Dickus.” As well as when he said to the Roman guards that Biggus Dickus’ wife’s name is “Incontinia Buttocks.” There are so many funny scenes in this movie.

        • (((GC)))

          And the People’s Front of Judea, the Judean People’s Front, and splitters like the Judean Popular People’s Front, who hate each other more than they do the Romans.

          • Chef Philips

            “the PFJ”!

        • Chef Philips

          “Blessèd are the cheese-makers”

          Hilarious! One of my favourite Python sayings. 🙂

  • clay

    Your metaphors suck and your dress is ugly.

  • Tomcat

    Damn, is everyone in religious circles full of shit now?

    • clay

      Now?

    • Tawreos

      When weren’t they?

    • Chuck in NYC

      I hate it when a pope tries too hard be “hip.”

  • Tomcat

    We all know there is no god.
    But there is a buttload of money to be made in his name.

  • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

    War makes strange bedfellows. When asked about the alliance with Soviet Russia, Churchill (Stalin’s lifelong foe) noted that had Hitler invaded hell he would at least have made a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons…I welcome anything and any one that helps in our war against Trump and his Fifth columnists. The way the world works few have a larger bully pulpit than this man in the white silk evening gown.

  • Chef Philips

    #TalkingSerpentStillHasNoOpposableThumbs

    • David Walker

      Wasn’t that part of the story? Snake had legs, tempted god’s children, they caved, his arms and legs disappeared, and he had to crawl on his belly forever.

      • Chef Philips

        Dunno–I never heard that part of the story before

      • jerry

        I think that was part of the RCC’s later additions to the stories. Same as Satan being a fallen angel, or that the snake was Satan to begin with, or the whole idea of hell. They created all of these additional stories as part of their catechism…none of them are in the bible. There is no ultimate evil person in the bible or a permanent hell for sinners…all created later to frighten the populace.

    • zhera

      Does the serpent have vocal chords? I think there’s a plot-hole in the fantasy novel they call ‘The Bible’.

      • David Walker

        That or Eve had the gift of understanding Hiss.

        • Bad Tom

          Parseltongue.

  • crewman

    [“Fake news” is] a sign of intolerant and hypersensitive attitudes, and leads only to the spread of arrogance and hatred

    I think the Pope is conflating the original use of the term “fake news” to describe the propaganda effort from Russia and right wing news outlets, versus Trump’s co-opting of that term to defang it and muddy the waters (a successful part of his gaslighting arsenal). The Pope’s description applies mostly to Trump’s subverted use of the term.

    • canoebum

      I think you are right.

  • Bluto
    • Harveyrabbit
    • “There’s a reason it’s called the “Bi”-ble. It’s Adam *and* Eve, not Adam *or* Eve.”

      (I didn’t make that one up, but thought it was cute.)

      • Uncle Mark

        How about Adam and the McRibwich. (Oooo…Is that where the name “witch” comes from? /s)

      • Nowhereman

        Cute! And I’ve taken to calling it the buybull.

        • Steverino

          In some southern USA accents, it is pronounced “bauble” or “babble.”

          • Nowhereman

            Speaking of southern accents, I’ve seen crime documentaries where they had to put subtitles on the screen to let us know what the hell they were saying.

    • cleos_mom

      According to the creation account in Genesis that people are brought up with. The other account, raht thar in that same chapter, simply says that God created all life, “male and female.”

      Try that one out in any venue frequented by “Bible believers”. A hefty percentage of them have no idea it even exists.

      • Nic Peterson

        Logic and bible believers are mix about as well as matter and antimatter. I prefer to mix gin, lemon juice, simple syrup, top with some champagne and avoid the unwashed faithful.

      • eyefidelity

        BTW, who was the mother of Caen’s and Abel’s children? It must have been Eve, since there is no indication that she and Adam ever had a daughter. Eeewwww!

        • Abel got killed by Cain, no wife or kids. Cain, in exile, found a wife (there were other people, just not ones that got thrown out of the Garden). And the Chosen People were descended from Seth, anyway. (Eve could have had any number of daughters)

          Of course the whole thing is allegorical, but it does not point in the direction you thought.

          • eyefidelity

            Which goes to prove that God was created in man’s image, and not the other way around, assuming that there were “other people.”

          • That is a given, for sure. Myths and allegories do often contain some underlying truths, even if they are not literal. And sometimes it takes some digging beneath popular conceptions. The Cain and Abel story, for example served the pourpose of justifying later genocide attempts against the Canaanites – after all, they were farmers and descendants of Cain the farmer, whose sacrifice was not pleasing to god, while the Hebrews, while not descended from Abel, were shepherds like Abel, and felt themselves morally superior. Think of it as wartime propaganda in a deadly version of Oklahoma, the musical (farmers v. ranchers)

      • They use that one a lot, actually (Gen. 1:27) – usually to mistakenly go after trans people. The thing is, they don;t realize that “the image and likeness of God” is “male and female” and not “Male or female”

        I just pointed that out to the US Conference of Catholic Bishops in relation to their idiotic anti-trans letter of December 15, 2017

    • (((GC)))

      If Adam’s partner were cloned from his rib, he would have been 46XY and male. Thus, Adam and Yves.

      (h/t George Takei for the true name)

      • There is a similar story in Plato’s Symposium in which Aristophanes tells about humans as originally created being of three doubled-up types. Male/Female, Male/Male, and Female/Female (the Greeks at least knew about same sex attraction). It is an interesting read in this context.

        The “rib” thing is a mistranslation – the original word actually means “side.” And the original Adam was an “androgynos.” “male-and-female – “in the image and likeness of God” – so the way the story goes, this explains human reproduction for breeders. the two become “one flesh” again like the original Adam, using the handy-dandy tab-A into Slot-B method of connection.

  • lymis

    He’s not wrong that deliberate (or even simply irresponsible and uncaring) use of social networks and disinformation can be deeply harmful, and therefore immoral.

    He’s not wrong that discernment, compassion, and humility are required to integrate social networking and similar factors into the worldwide human experience.

    He’s just got no leg to stand on preaching morality to anyone, given the Church’s abject failure to either protect children or to clean up its own house, and framing this using Trump’s language is either criminally negligent tone-deafness or an intentional dog-whistle that it’s business as usual in the Vatican.

  • Barry William Teske

    When I was a very little boy in Sunday school I had questions as to why ‘God’ was so mean and scary.
    I was removed from class, taken to another room, my pants pulled down , and a nun proceeded to hit my penis with a wooden ruler while a priest watched.
    My Father and Mother finally got the truth out of me later that week and when they confronted the church leaders, we were no longer welcome.

    I learnt what the Pope speaks of at a very very young age.

    • Chuck in NYC

      Sick. It would be bad enough had they hit your butt, but…the front side? This is totally twisted.

      • David Walker

        Having a conspiracy-addled mind, I suspect the nun ruler-whacked his penis with the priest watching because the priest liked the parish and knew doing that himself could get him transferred, and the nun enjoyed the priest’s payment to her of several candy bars. It’s the only way this could work.

    • zhera

      Wow. I’m so sorry that happened to you!

      Mean and scary God for mean and scary clergy.

    • skyweaver

      That is serious abuse. And for asking a question that is thoughtful. That’s really messed up

    • Bad Tom

      They should have been arrested for child abuse.
      So sorry you went through that.

  • Steven in Texas

    OH MY F****** GOD.
    Let us completely rewrite history.

    In the beginning some voice sounded out and said “let there be light”, so I flipped on the switch and the universe
    was all of a sudden there/here.

    I am not sure if my comment is fake or not……. I am old……3 decades beyond first gay death.

    • stuckinthewoods

      Your comment is valid. As much as the bible in Polari, the British gay slang language. I can hear Round the Horne’s Julian saying:

      “In the beginning Gloria created the heaven and the earth.

      And the earth was nanti form, and void; and munge was upon the eke of the deep. And the Fairy of Gloria trolled upon the eke of the aquas.

      And Gloria cackled, Let there be sparkle: and there was sparkle.”

      http://www.polaribible.org/the-polari-bible-7th-edition-2/genesis-2/

  • Lazycrockett
  • Karl Dubhe 2

    Fuck the hell off, swindler.

  • Will Parkinson

    Idiot.

  • Blake J Butler
    • liondon#iamnotatraitor

      …not yellow enough.

    • Bad Tom

      It was the StoneCutters all along!

  • JustDucky
  • liondon#iamnotatraitor

    Pedophile priests…. shut up until you fix your own house.

  • HZ81

    The original sin? That people still believe this nonsense in 2018 is sad enough—don’t try to make it hip, Francis.

  • Outlaw Woman

    You know what I miss? Italian popes.

    Because you can’t tell jokes anymore pretending to be the pope.
    What even is an Argentinian accent? No one knows.

    • Chef Philips

      I wonder if there are any descendants of the Borgias still left alive today? They would fit in quite well with today’s politics ‘n’ religion

      • Tawreos

        They might be too tame.

        • Chef Philips

          They were fast learners! 🙂

    • Tawreos

      Father Guido Sarducci for Pope!

  • JDS
    • Chef Philips

      Frightening

      • JDS

        His true form.

  • DaddyRay

    The Buybull is the original fake news

    • (((GC)))

      And it’s not even original. The creation stories, the flood and ark story, the covenant and law codes are all echoes of other civilizations.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    Wasn’t there also something about casting out the log in your own eye before pointing out the speck in someone else’s?

    • Tawreos

      They don’t cherry pick that one when it comes to what they are doing.

  • Lizard

    Okay, now can people stop pointing to Pope Fluffy as evidence that the Church still deserves respect? Clearly he’s just like all the others, he just lies more.

    • Chef Philips

      A smoother liar, with better PR talent. Otherwise, exactly the same (except he’s doesn’t wear Prada)

  • Chef Philips

    I am surprised at NBC News (well, not really!) This reads more like a press release from Vice-Pope Ratzi’s “Congregation for Apostolic Nonsense” (or whatever it’s called)

  • Frostbite

    One man’s sin is another man’s good time. 😈

    • Chef Philips

      “I give in to sin/
      Because I like to practise/
      What I preach.”

      Depeche Mode–“Strangelove (Tim Simenon & Mark Saunders Remix)” (Martin Gore)

      https://youtu.be/5CfRPz1a6-k

    • (((GC)))

      While ethics is real, sin is imaginary. As Dan Barker said, would you be grateful to someone who cut you, then offered to sell you a bandage?

  • PickyPecker
    • Chef Philips

      Nothing compares to you, Picky Pecker! 😎

      https://youtu.be/0-EF60neguk

    • Rebecca Gardner

      She calls herself Magda Davitt now.

    • coram nobis

      Turns out she was a victim of the Magdalenes in Ireland. Well-provoked, this was.

  • Blake J Butler

    Except Chi Chi’s story insn’t important enough to the mass of white working class voters in rural shitholes of america on why they voted for baby huey. They still need countless exposes on them. Maybe at MSNBC, but CNN still tries to portray the WWC voters as people that voted for him, not Nazi’s.

    https://twitter.com/stevemorris__/status/955977233356779520

  • Boreal

    Blather , rinse, repeat

  • PickyPecker
  • Rebecca Gardner
  • shellback

    “crafty serpent”

    Do you ever listen to yourself?

    • Lizard

      No, and I hope they don’t start now. I subsist on inadvertently hilarious church signs.

  • alguien

    by that rationale, one can only assume that the original purveyor of fake news was god. i mean, who made the snake? who knew in advance what the snake would tell eve?

    • Lizard

      This is why one should really steer clear of omnipotent characters when writing fictions.

      • Chef Philips

        ‘Deus ex machinà’ creates more problems than it solves!

      • cleos_mom

        If you listen to fundamentalist rhetoric, there are predictable hints that their god, even in their belief, is far from omnipotent.

        God “has” to send people with incorrect theology to hell because “God’s eyes are too holy to look upon sin.” Their god was unable to correct the consequences of his lack of long-term thinking in creating a creature able to make choices and assuming that the creature would never make a wrong choice. Having made that blunder, a deity that supposedly created entire galaxies had no choice but to resort to a symbolic human sacrifice.

    • (((GC)))

      God lied (the day you eat of the fruit, you will surely die?) and the snake told the truth!

  • Droz

    Bullshit, original sin was part of God’s plan. Why else would he have placed the tree in the garden? The love of two innocents wasn’t enough for him, he needed to be feared.

    • Lizard

      Adam and Eve is plagiarized straight from the Greek Pandora’s Box myth. The tree makes absolutely no sense if you assume they were never supposed to eat from it. In the Greek version, it makes sense because the box was a trick. Who, when handed something and told explicitly “Don’t open the box/Don’t eat the fruit,” could possibly resist forever?

      • Reality.Bites

        Label it “Trump steaks” and it could happen.

        • Lizard

          True…

        • (((GC)))

          Or a certain televangelist’s overpriced “survival” buckets o’slop.

      • i’m not a fan of “which culture/nation came up with it first,” but you might want to review some other sources. and definitions of what is, and is not, “originally Greek.” the timeframe & origins for the ‘naughty woman legend who ruined the world for all the menz with her curiosity’ is actually pretty widespread and not in any way only emanating from the Greeks you’re thinking of, who are credited today with making the Pandora legend famous.

        • Lizard

          I never said it originated with the Greeks. I’m sure oral histories had “naughty women ruin the world for the menz” stories long before the Greeks. It’s just the one I think the Christians nabbed it from as well as the one many people are already familiar with.

          The point is that the Christians plagiarized it, just like they plagiarized most of their mythos and iconography.

          (And, of course, the story of Adam and Eve is Old Testament, which long predates the New.)

    • R W C

      Braise the lard and pass the belly buttons!

  • pj

    con man calls out con man

  • R W C

    Fake sin was the original news.

  • gaycuckhubby

    Fake news is lying about and denying sexual abuse from your priest.
    Fake news is attacking the victims and protecting the perpetrators.
    Fake news is lying about the efficiency of condoms and perpetuating an epidemic.
    Fake news is telling impoverished people they need to give money to an impossibly wealthy organization

    • an impossibly wealthy organization

      fake news is when said org claims they can’t pay out any settlements, because they ‘need’ all that money to maintain cemeteries, and use legal tricks to prove the convicted aspect of the org is “broke.”

  • Friday’s_cat

    Wow, the Pope wants Evangelical Trump supporters to hate the Catholic church.

    • Lizard

      It’s kind of interesting, actually. The far-right religious block, largely consisting of evangelical Protestants but also white Catholics, voted for Trump because he promised to appoint anti-choice judges to SCOTUS and other federal benches. The far-right originally picked up the anti-abortion view largely to get Catholics to vote Republican.

  • Reality.Bites

    Adam and Eve are the fake news.

  • bkmn
  • boobert

    Original sin is a bogus concept to keep the masses in line ! It’s like hanging a child for something their parents did. To me , it’s the root of the problem with god and religion.

    • andrew

      Yep. I think that Hindus have a slightly different spin on the same B.S. People suffer in this life for sins they committed in their past life.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
  • cleos_mom

    “Another general view is that ‘demons’ are foreign deities that occur in the Hebrew Bible. Thus qeteb and reshef are regarded as ancient Near Eastern gods, vestiges of an ancient polytheism, who out of necessity were turned into ‘demons’ by the authors of the Hebrew Bible.”

    It’s likely that Pope Frank is quite aware of this but knows that most of his religion’s followers aren’t — the whole idea of “original sin” is a time-tested way for a theology to get its hooks into believers’ minds. Snakes were often sacred, as their shedding their skin as they outgrow it was interpreted as life renewing itself.

    And, of course, no fundamentalist wants to be accused of having buk smartz.

    https://www.amazon.com/Demonising-Old-Testament-Investigation-Forschungen/dp/3161501314/ref=sr_1_1/142-7174232-0458613?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1516810070&sr=1-1&keywords=9783161501319

  • BJORN RAGNVALDR

    Mmmmmm…a 6,000 year old fable, handed down for 2,500 years before a man wrote it down…a man who didn’t know where the sun went at night, and that’s absolute truth…… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a1c0388831e462174080fff532e9fb434588cea94790525ca6c0377b3f601c5d.gif

  • SoCalGal20

    OT but I’ll be interested to see which Rs on House Intel disavow the memo when it’s released.

    https://twitter.com/qjurecic/status/956150292084555776

  • CB

    Shut up.
    You promulgate myths and fairy stories to enrich yourself, shield your morally bankrupt minions and keep your coffers filled.
    You are evil incarnate.

  • Leo

    So the NYT’s made extremely poor, infuriating editorial decisions with false narratives but seems to have improved in the union department, while conditions at WaPo seem to have gotten worse under Bezos even after as their staff has grown and subscriptions have skyrocketed. There’s a place for legacy papers amidst this tectonic media shift, but…hmm…
    https://twitter.com/splinter_news/status/955977442581204993

  • David Walker

    Excerpt for “The Vatican Rag” by Tom Lehrer:
    “Get in line in that processional,
    Step into that small confessional,
    There the guy that’s got religion’ll
    Tell you if your sin’s original.
    If it is, try playin’ it safer,
    Drink the wine and chew the wafer.
    Two, four, six, eight,
    Time to transubstantiate.”
    And this is the entire thing, with intro.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5vItuvlARs

  • zhera

    “There is no such thing as harmless disinformation, he said.”

    So says the man who is the leader of the world’s biggest fake news org. Sin, hell, heaven, God, Jesus, Maria, Noah, etc. etc. And in the modern world: Condoms will give you AIDS, birth control will give you cancer, gay marriage destroys straight marriage and ‘family’, etc etc.

    Fuck you, poopy!

    • (((GC)))

      If a loving, committed straight couple’s marriage is so fragile that it can’t withstand the thought of two women somewhere, or two men, having a happy marriage of their own… WTF?!

      “Condoms will give you AIDS.”
      Aspirin will give you headaches.
      Flu shots will give you the flu.
      Learning to read will make you illiterate.
      Dying will make you live forever.

      A big part of the problem IS that fairytale, taught as if literally true, about the Secret Magical Place where we’ll live on after not-really-dying, and all the injustices of life will be set right.

      (Yet somehow believers’ grief at losing loved ones is quite strong and quite real!)

  • Tread

    The upside of this Trumpian Age? All of the idiots, bigots, and selfish assholes will be revealed. Shall they never be trusted again and removed from all positions of power. I’m hoping “Trump supporter” becomes synonymous with the lowest dregs of humanity. Anyone who claims they were “fooled” by him, let a dark stain be left on their house for foisting him on all of us.

    • Bj Lincoln

      Yes!

  • Natty Enquirer

    That’s a really good point totally ruined by superstitious nonsense and a religious agenda.

    • andrew

      That crafty old Jesuit doesn’t believe any of that primitive mythology. It just serves his institutions purposes.

  • Jefe5084

    Well, those two should not have been listening to Fox News and munching on apples. It’s “HIS” fault–should have known, being omniscient and all that shit.

  • TexasBoy

    Oh, Popey. Religion is Fake News.

  • #DJTK5F

    What the fuck? Another demented, senile ‘Head’ of ‘State’?

    Fuck you, Bergoglio, and Rat Zinger too!

  • skyweaver

    My parents had this quirky sign up in our house growing up. It said something like “Hey, where are all these people going? I must catch up with them for I am their leader!” My dad loved it since he had a lot of kids. But it works here b/c every single time you see the RCC saying anything these days they really just seem bothered by the fact that so many people don’t really need them or their ‘guidance’ anymore. We’re not afraid of the world or the heavens or science or human sexuality (well, many of us aren’t, anyway.) We don’t need leadership. We’re content, we’re okay

  • Etranger

    Well, this is just an argument for better education and development of critical-thinking skills. Fake news, as he describes, has been around for ages. What is truly troubling is when leaders get people to think that legitimate, reliable journalism is fake. The pope didn’t cover that. Hard to take a stand on that and not betray the problems with your own house…

  • JWC

    pope frank another religious type spewing hypocrisy

  • So he’s saying that Trump is a serpent.

    • GanymedeRenard

      Pot, meet kettle.

  • Nowhereman

    How funny! Fake News created religions, too.!

    • (((GC)))

      Religions were perhaps the best possible “answers”, once, to big questions: where did the world come from? Why does it get colder and warmer? Why do our crops and livestock sometimes thrive, sometimes not? Why do we get sick? Why do we die? Is this all there is?

      • Nowhereman

        Yeah, but the truth is that we really don’t need most of the biggest questions answered at all. When you look at some of the Hubble photographs that appear to be of a starry sky, and then you realize that each of those “stars” is actually another galaxy, it’s pretty pointless. It just IS. And it’s amazing. Making up stories about where it all began is worthless. It’s way beyond anything we could understand.

        • (((GC)))

          We do like answers. It’s been aptly said that humans are a way for the universe to understand itself.

          • Nowhereman

            You make us sound a hell of a lot more important than we are. We may be just an ant farm at some alien kid’s junior high science fair.

  • stevenj

    Snake oil salesman says what…?

  • Lars Littlefield

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. . . . .

  • Charles Nelson

    So it wasn’t eating the apple from the tree of knowledge…but Eve’s overuse of her iPhone?

  • M Jackson

    I have better things to do today than to try and decipher what the little ewok said.

  • coram nobis

    His Hollowness may be thinking of the campaign against the Bishop of Osorno — not Donald Trump.

  • PhillyProfessor

    Genesis 3:6 lists three things that tempted Eve into eating the forbidden fruit. She saw it was good for food – this was God tempting her. She saw that it was pleasant to the eyes- also God tempting her. And finally that it imparted wisdom – this was a joint temptation between God – who made the fruit that way, and the serpent who then convinced Eve to eat it. All in all, God was WAY more responsible for the fall than the serpent, who obviously has a bad PR agent.

    • Natty Enquirer

      The choice was between ignorance and death. Tells you a lot about those pernicious Abrahamic religions.

  • Adam King

    Oh, fuck off, Bergoglio.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Well, if we take the story of Adam and Eve seriously for moment, for the purposes of argument, the reality is that it would be your God who’s at fault, not fake news. Consider that the whole “original sin” is that of having their minds opened to knowledge and the possibilities of what it could bring. Simply put, your God wanted us to be nothing but dumb, servile creatures who would stroke his obviously insecure ego; whereas Satan, the supposed ‘bad guy’ of the piece ,only wanted us to evolve beyond the simplistic beasts God would have us be. In that context, who’s the real purveyor of “fake news”….here’s a hint, it ain’t the snake.

  • um, lolwut??

    religion is poison. to everything it touches. including whatever the fuck this guy thinks he is trying to talk intelligently about, which clearly, he is not.

  • yes b’y
  • GanymedeRenard

    Mr. Bergoglio, sir, do you really believe that a Bronze Age fable is the source of all truth? Sorry, but in any case THE PAPACY is based on fake news as well.

  • Original sin as a concept is the “fake news” dating back to the influence of Augustine of Hippo’s Manichaen/Gnostic roots.

    The allegory with the snake, Eve and Adam is that before humans evolved the capacity of rational thought, humans were like other animals. But by “eating of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil” became reasoning beings, and more like gods. The exile from the garden was the result – and that was so the humans would not easily eat from the fruit of the tree of life and become gods themselves.

    There are those who see a human quest for immortality as seeking to eat from the “tree of life.” Perhaps some day, humans will crack the code to obtain bodily immortality (subject to accident or violence. Perhaps when the “Singularity” occurs humans will find a way to “rapture” ourselves by uploading to the machine (a better result than Skynet!) Who knows.

    In the story, the snake did the right thing. Humans would not have the capacity of reason (well, according the the certainly allegorical story) our good friend the snake.

    Perhaps that is why Christianity hates rational use of the mind so much – it must be sinful to use the gift of the snake!.

  • JCF

    So over you now. Just go away, Frank.

    https://media.giphy.com/media/JyYF31EbgzFGE/giphy.gif

  • Silver_Witch

    The Catholic Church is the biggest distributor of FAKE news. Peddling myths and hate in the pulpit every Sunday. Fuck them.

    • Ann Kah

      Not restricted to Catholicism, of course. Religion in general is responsible.

  • Rrhain

    Indeed, fake news did cause the trouble: God lied.

    In Genesis 2:17, god tells Adam that if he eats of the tree of knowledge, then he will die (and the text makes it clear that this is a literal, physical death, not some metaphorical one.) Genesis 3:3 indicates that Eve is aware of this and even goes so far as saying that merely touching it is sufficient.

    The serpent, on the other hand, points out that this is a lie and that instead of dying, they will become as gods, knowing good and evil (Genesis 3:5).

    So when Adam and Eve eat from the tree of knowledge in Genesis 3:7, do they die? Of course not. Instead, their eyes are opened and they become as gods, knowing good and evil, as even god admits in Genesis 3:22.

    Perhaps if god hadn’t lied to Adam and Eve, the serpent wouldn’t have had anything to say on the matter. Let god take this as a lesson: Lying is a sin.