Michael Flynn’s Family Demands Pardon From Trump

Newsweek reports:

President Donald Trump should pardon his former national security adviser and campaign aide Michael Flynn, who “has taken the biggest fall,” Flynn’s brother said Tuesday.

In a since-deleted tweet, Joseph Flynn said Trump must get the former Army general off the hook for his December 1 guilty plea stemming from his contacts with the former Russian ambassador. The plea deal is a part of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election and possible coordination with the Trump campaign.

“About time you pardoned General Flynn who has taken the biggest fall for all of you given the illegitimacy of this confessed crime in the wake of all this corruption,” Joseph Flynn tweeted, though the post was deleted after about 15 minutes.

Flynn’s family is crowd-funding his legal defense.

  • Lazycrockett

    WTF??

  • bkmn

    Meanwhile, at Mar-a-Fraudo, Trump’s team of lawyers are repeatedly telling him not to do it since once Flynn is pardoned he can be called to take the stand and cannot plead the 5th.

    • Deviancy Behavir

      Well I think in his plea deal, he probably waved pleading the fifth in future trials and/or testimony, so that wouldn’t work anyway. Even if he was pardoned by tRump. They’d just use his testimony from his guilty plea against him in a state trial, because he had to have broken some state laws. So he’d be screwed no matter what happened.

      • No, most plea deals don’t include waiving 5th Amendment rights for any matter outside the terms of the deal itself. In other words, if you were to take a deal testifying to your role in a bank robbery in exchange for a reduced sentence, the prosecutors couldn’t then say you had no right to invoke the 5th for some completely unrelated crime, like say breaking into a house on your own.

        In other words, the terms on what you have to provide testimony about will be spelled out in the agreement.

        Here’s the real kicker though: By time the Flynn plea deal became public, there is no question Mueller’s team will have already extracted the key information they already wanted from him, under signed affidavit and under-oath interviews.

        And this is why Trump knows Flynn already ‘betrayed’ him and why there will be no pardon forthcoming, in my opinion anyway.

        • Deviancy Behavir

          True. But I mean given the stakes and the fact that tRump could indeed use his power to grant a pardon to try to get rid of Flynn as a potential witness, even though it wouldn’t work. I think they’d be dumb not to put in some provision that says he would have to testify in what capacity. Especially given the fact that tRump has already pardoned Arpaio, even given the fact that he was guilty. Mueller and his team would probably put in something that says he has to talk about the involvement of others for the deal to be made. Though the deal wouldn’t matter if he got pardoned, but then he’d have to testify anyway, because he wouldn’t have the ability to plead the fifth anymore. So Flynn would be screwed either way.

        • Dana Chilton

          Exactly. Everything muller has as a result of the plea is valid regardless of a pardon for Flynn himself . Plus, a pardon doesn’t erase the deed so he’d be stuck with that conviction for the rest of his life along with alll the consequences outside of jail time.

        • Gianni

          Exactly – we don’t know what Flynn has told to Mueller’s team but one can put bank on it that it’s the whole story or, as you say, there’d be no deal. Mueller’s whole team is busy collecting, corroborating, and putting all the pieces together. Literally nothing of the info that Mueller has gathered has leaked to the public. Donnie is expecting a letter of exoneration from Mueller when the investigation wraps up next month. Dream on you clown. You’ll be lucky if you don’t end up behind bars, which is where you belong.

          • Rambie

            “…when the investigation wraps up next month. ”

            The Republicans want it to wrap up next month. Doesn’t mean it will

          • Gianni

            🙂 Muller is really just hitting his stride. No wrap-up in the immediate future and I hope that sends Donnie way over the edge – of the nearest cliff!

          • Rambie

            But the GOP’ers are going to try and wrap this up as fast as they can. They want this swept under the rug quickly before the election season starts and they too get implicated.

        • lymis

          A pardon just means you won’t face penalties for whatever you’re pardoned for. It doesn’t mean that whatever happened didn’t happen and your testimony can’t be used against someone else.

          The tricky precedent that the Arpaio pardon raises is being pardoned for refusing to testify or to comply with a court order.

          Pardoning Flynn for whatever crimes he’s guilty of is one thing, and wouldn’t materially help Trump. But if Trump makes it clear he’ll pardon anyone who refuses to testify and is held in contempt of court, or who lies under oath to protect Trump and is accused or convicted of perjury would open an entirely new can of worms.

          I have no trouble believing Trump would do so if he thought it would help him.

          Of course if it can be proven, it just cements the obstruction of justice charges against Trump.

          • Leslie

            Google is paying 97$ per hour,with weekly payouts.You can also avail this.
            On tuesday I got a great New Land Rover Range Rover from having earned $11752 this last four weeks..with-out any doubt it’s the most-comfortable job I have ever done .. It sounds unbelievable but you wont forgive yourself if you don’t check it
            !da151d:
            ➽➽
            ➽➽;➽➽ http://GoogleCashCentralCareerPartTimeJobs/get/hourly ★✫★★✫★✫★★✫★✫★★✫★✫★★✫★✫★★✫★✫★★✫★✫★★✫★✫★★✫★✫★★✫★✫★★✫★✫:::::!da151luuu

  • GanymedeRenard

    No.

  • Bluto
  • DisqusD37

    So I guess he concurs that his brother is a traitor and wants him let off?

  • bkmn

    Traitorous bastard’s family say what?

  • margaretpoa

    Trump doesn’t even pardon himself when he farts at dinner.

    • TheGrandWazoo2

      He says to Melania, “Don’t worry honey, I’ll tell everybody I did that.”

    • Librarykid

      Well, that’s an attractive picture; poor chair stressed under all of that tonnage and then hit with a searing hot jet of toxic gas.

    • peacfulseas inWA

      I’m sort of okay with the farting it will dissipate rather quickly and really not surprised that he doesn’t excuse himself. The open mouth chewing of food is most disgusting. My late MIL ate this way.

      • Steverino

        Perhaps your late MIL just thought her dining companions liked see food.
        : )

  • Won’t happen.

    Trump sees the plea deal and Flynn’s cooperation w/Mueller as evidence of betrayal.

    Moreover, it’s quite likely Mueller came to Flynn with the following, “You plea guilty to lying to the FBI and you’ll get no jail time. You know my word is good. Or you can take a chance on whether Donald will pardon you. You know he’s a complete liar who’ll throw you away the second you become inconvenient to him. And even if he does pardon and you accept, we can then compel testimony with no 5th Amendment exemptions and keep you in courts for the rest of your life.

    If we learn anything and you know we will, there will be more charges, and then he’ll have to pardon you again. And again. Assuming he’s even in office at the time. After all, eventually he’ll be gone, probably as soon as January 2021. Meanwhile, the FBI and Federal and state prosecutors will still be here after that.

    Or, you can cooperate now and get your life back. And your idiot son’s. Now what’s it gonna be, Mike.”

    • Put simply, Mueller’s “carrot” of a plea deal is worth way, way more to Flynn right now than any pardon from Trumpty-Dumpty would ever be, even if offered.

      And I don’t think President Dotard wants to give it anyway. Probably by now has conflated ‘betrayal’ with ‘I wouldn’t be in this Russia mess if not for Flynn fucking up.’

    • Chucktech

      Methinks the family is far too stoopid to understand such strategic logic.

      • Flynn has better lawyers than just about any of the Trumpers. Plus he knew to listen to them.

        • Joe in PA

          Yikes, for a sec I got lawyers mixed up and thought you were talking about the putz lawyer spouting off at the Manafort arraignment. My bad.

    • As I remarked below: By time we learned of Flynn’s plea deal, Mueller will have already secured sworn testimony. No pardon will eliminate what Bobby Three Sticks has learned and has as evidence.

    • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

      But before you said this, you grabbed your mirrored aviator sunglasses, paused and sighed before whipping them off and pointing them toward the Flynn, as you being to speak “You plead guilt to lying….”

    • Librarykid

      The brother does not sound too smart either.

    • Helen Damnation™

      Darling, let’s back up a bit. You really believe that Trump will remain in office until 2021? Either you’re being somewhat of a Debbie Downer (please!) but you may be more of a realist than me. I hope it happens much sooner, with trials as early as early 2019. Hard to predict what Trump will do, but it seems he will probably resign before facing a Senate trial. I have hope, for some reason.

      • Joe in PA

        Every time I see your avatar/name I think about ol’ Helen. How do you think she would have handled all of this? Wow.

  • Chucktech

    Demand??

    Oh, no, no, no, that’s not how The Donald rolls. You have to gently but firmly stick your tongue into The Donald’s anus and roll it around his rectum while grovelling for mercy and simultaneously praising his beautiful anus. That’s how you ‘ll get what you need from The Donald, you see.

    • Todd20036

      I was thinking that too. Even if trump intended to pardon Flynn, the family just killed that chance

      • Chucktech

        “Y’oughta pardon him after all he done fer yew…”

        Shitheads…

    • William
      • Chucktech

        Look, you want that pardon or don’t you??

      • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

        He’s got great hair.

        What part of London is this?

        • William

          Always look on the bright side of life.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Pence would have known how to do it. He is practicing for his turn.

  • kaydenpat

    These people are so disgusting. It’s hard to see what’s happening in this country and how Trump’s sleaziness has been normalized.

  • BeaverTales

    That’s the best way to circumvent the law…get convicted and have Dump make it all go away with a signature and go free….wash, rinse, repeat.

    As long as Dump holds out the prospect of a pardon, Flynn won’t plea bargain for anything harmful to his master.

  • Slippy_World
    • I thought David Bradley was a fantastic stand-in for the late William Hartnell.

      • Slippy_World
        • I’m really looking forward to Whittaker’s “Doctor.” She looks marvelous already.

        • Lazycrockett

          Between the fanboys ranting bout this and if Die Hard is a christmas movie, my twitter feed was a mess yesterday.

          • JCF

            WTF is up w/ the Die Hard thing anyway? [It’s like a number was pulled out of a hat, “Argue about Absolutely Nothing (and let the world burn IRL meanwhile)]

        • JCF

          {already anticipating multiple orgasms}

          😉

    • Treant

      I’m looking forward to Jodie Whittaker’s stint as the Doctor–and the changeover to new direction.

      It seems like they’re going to go with a Doctor Without A TARDIS, at least for the first little bit, from what we saw at the end of the episode.

      (I confess that Peter Capaldi wasn’t my favorite Doctor, particularly with Clara, who was too similar. Bill was a better Companion for him).

      • It certainly seems the TARDIS did not react well to the new incarnation.

        Then again, we learned a few years back that she is indeed sentient and says she wanted to go on adventures, so set about stealing herself a Time Lord before the Gallifreyans could have her scrapped.

        • Treant

          And she does not have a very positive initial reaction to women.

          • That would be quite Meta, wouldn’t it, given the Whovian fans’ mixed reaction to having a female Doctor, wouldn’t it?

            Usually in the past, it’s been continuing companions who’ve reacted badly to new incarnations, gradually (and sometimes grudgingly) accepting them. This time, if it’s the TARDIS herself… oh boy. Gonna be interesting.

          • lymis

            I could, however, see “Look the TARDIS got over it, why can’t you?” – handled properly – as a way of addressing the controversy in-world in a very creative way.

        • lymis

          Too soon to say why the TARDIS blew up that way. I think “the TARDIS is sexist” would get old FAST.

      • Oh, and my favorite ‘new series’ Doctor remains David Tenant. Tom Baker among the old series.

        I thought Capaldi was okay, but yeah, not my favorite.

      • lymis

        The first teaser Whittaker-as-Doctor trailer had her stepping out of the Tardis. She’ll be back in it by the end of her first episode, if not before the first commercial break.

      • lymis

        It took me a while to understand why I didn’t like Capaldi. It was Jenna Coleman, not Capaldi. She worked well with Smith, but Clara was completely the wrong Companion for Capaldi. Once Capaldi was with Matt Lucas and Pearl Mackie, it all came together. If they’d had that dynamic (or a similar one with another companion from the beginning), I’d have warmed to him sooner.

        • Treant

          ^^This. It’s not that either Capaldi or Coleman was wrong, they were simply wrong for each other.

  • Do Something Nice

    I beg your pardon?

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Should have had him killed in the rose garden

  • Hank
  • netman extraordinaire

    Better yet, how about we just LOCK HIM UP?

    • Hank

      LOCK HIM UP!!!! LOCK HIM UP!!!! LOCK HIM UP!!!!

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        Has a nice ring to it eh ?

  • JWC

    How about NO Fucking Way Flynn’s family should really read up on what a Pardon does and does NOT do

  • William

    New York can still file charges regarding conspiracy to kidnap Fethullah Gülen.
    The former director of the CIA will make a great witness.

    http://www.newsweek.com/mueller-investigating-michael-flynn-plot-kidnap-turkish-opposition-leader-708053

    • Chucktech

      And you know goddam well New York is just waiting until Mueller has sucked out his share of Flynn’s blood before they go in for the coup de grace.

      • peacfulseas inWA

        And drains the family bank accounts in his defense.

    • coram nobis

      Wouldn’t Pennsylvania have jurisdiction on that one?

      • William

        Former Director Woolsey was at a meeting in NYC where the plot was being discussed. Both states may have jurisdiction. .

  • olandp

    Why does he need a legal defense fund? He has plead guilty, it is over. Ask Larry Craig about that.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Actually, learned from class with Rachel that there’s a typical plea-agreement clause concerning “all future blah blah blahs” that did NOT appear in Flynn’s public agreement.

      I guess that Mueller’s team knows that they don’t yet know what they don’t know.

      • Treant

        Kewl, so it’s like a free pass to treason and grift and steal from the government. 🙂

        • Lumpy Gaga

          No, it means Flynn did not get out of Future Jail free.

          • Treant

            Wait.

          • Lumpy Gaga

            So, Flynn’s like the “dry drunk” equivalent of a traitor?

      • olandp

        After watching court one day, the judge asks if you accept the plea and waive your right to appeal. No appeal, no need for future lawyer’s fees.

  • Halou

    Pardon Flynn for lying to the FBI, then watch as Mueller pulls up another of the myriad charges against him, each one more serious than the last. Pardon after pardon after pardon. And each time the public’s opinion will turn more and more and more against Trump than it already is.
    Trump is dumb enough he might just do it.

    • Treant

      Might? Will.

      But he’ll always have the Deplorables, who will assume each charge is false, trumped up (you should pardon the pun), and otherwise illegal.

    • Natty Enquirer

      Trump could issue a blanket pardon for all crimes Flynn may have committed as well as the conviction. That’s just what Ford did for Nixon. But of course, then Flynn could be compelled to testify about anything.

      • Chris Gardner

        There are still state charges that can be brought against him.

    • lymis

      Trump is unquestionably dumb enough to do it. And his lawyers seem incompetent enough to let him.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    Not the brightest family on the block….

  • boobert

    Sound like he’s threatening the moron with what flynn can expose.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Somebody buy that man a pizza.

      • Treant

        Why would we have to buy him what so many of us offer for free?

        Oh… Pizza. I heard…well, never mind what I heard.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          “You shouldn’t give your pie away free. it makes you look cheap.”

          • Treant

            I’m not cheap.

            I’m free.

          • paganguy

            A friend and I used to argue about whether it was better to be free but not easy or easy but not cheap.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    STFU !

    • Lumpy Gaga

      … said Michael Flynn and his son.

  • anne marie in philly

    NO PARDON! JAIL ONLY!

  • Jean-Marc in Canada
  • Boreal
  • Oscarlating Wildely

    Daddy does hope that you can take care of this. Truly, any other puppet could have done so by now!

    http://cdns.yournewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Putin-meets-Trump.jpg

  • caphillprof

    I believe Flynn’s plea deal was mostly about protecting Flynn’s son.

  • Ben in Oakland

    “About time you pardoned General Flynn who has taken the biggest fall for all of you given the illegitimacy of this confessed crime in the wake of all this corruption,”

    wait! Huh?

    What do you know, and when did you know it?

  • Barry William Teske

    Oh look!
    Family secrets.
    Plus the added suspense of who truly knows what.
    Pricey.
    A drain on the family fotune to be sure.
    Hence the crowd funding.
    Nothing says family quite like this, yes?

  • thatotherjean

    This is Trump he’s tweeting to, who expects everybody to kowtow to his every move. Joseph Flynn had better hope that Trump doesn’t start channeling Elizabeth I: “Must is not a word to be used to princes!” (Robert Cecil didn’t get what he wanted, either).

  • Tom Mears

    I agree Donny should pardon Flynn, thus freeing up the DC & NY Attorneys General to prosecute him, as well as hastening Trumps inevitable downfall on obstruction of justice charges.

    • lymis

      Trump will just fire the DC and NY Attorneys General, and the New York state governor as well.

      Or rather, it will be fun to see him try.

  • Charles Nelson

    There are hints that New York and Washington DC DAs are waiting in the wings with their own grand juries. Presidential pardons only cover Federal crimes, not state/local ones.

  • Helen Damnation™

    It’s funny but the fund-raising page doesn’t list all of his accomplishments; they excluded all the illegal shit he did. I wonder why?

  • Dana Chilton

    My guess is that we will eventually learn whether a president can legally pardon himself

  • andrew

    Lock him up. Lock him up. Lock him up.

  • Mike

    It’s not crystal clear, but I’d guess that by “all this corruption” Flynn’s brother means the deep state George Soros Benghazi blahblahblah persecution of his brother’s Putin transition team. Someone should tell him that “taking the fall” implies a sucker’s participation in a criminal enterprise.

    Earth to the whiny brother: perjury is a felony. Flynn is a crimnal. Let Mueller twist the thumbscrews, and later lock him up. We’ll see if the human “get out of jail free card” Trump has the balls to promise to pardon him, piling obstruction on top of obstruction.

  • -M-

    Because that’s how it works. 🙄

    And P.S. Joseph Flynn seems unhinged like his brother and nephew. The corruption is Trumpists and the Republicans, Mike and his crimes are part of it.

  • Gianni

    That tweet sounds subtly threatening. Perhaps, Mueller should add Flynn’s family to his witness list. What did Mike Flynn tell his family? Donnie, you gotta be wonderin’.

  • Tor

    I’m fine with that. Accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. No Fifth Amendment protections. He wouldn’t have done much prison time anyway.

  • Gregory In Seattle

    And Flynn will no doubt get a pardon… for the one federal charge he has been indicted on. All of the dozens — scores? — of charges that will be brought under New York State law once Mueller has wrung the man dry are beyond the President’s pardon powers.

  • geoffalnutt

    Everyone is “demanding” everything…as though they actually could. Who the fuck ARE these people. I could bite chunks out of the wall!