ORLANDO: Wife Of Pulse Shooter Loses Battle To Move Trial, Claimed No Local Jurors Could Be Impartial

USA Today reports:

The widow of Pulse nightclub gunman Omar Mateen will stand trial in Orlando, home to the nation’s second deadliest mass shooting in modern history, after a federal judge ruled staying in the city wouldn’t prevent a fair trial.

Lawyers for Noor Salman had fought to move the case outside the city, arguing intense media coverage of the shooting could prompt bias in potential jurors. U.S. District Judge Paul Byron denied the request, court documents show.

Salman has been behind bars for nearly a year since her January arrest. She’s facing federal charges of obstruction of justice and aiding and abetting by providing material support to a terrorist organization. If convicted, Salman could face life in prison.

  • Karl Dubhe 2

    Then choose judge alone. Oh, wait. Can you guys do that?

    • Reality.Bites

      Honestly I do think she’s right. Not innocent, but right that when someone is accused of a heinous crime that was national news for weeks, or local news for months, a “fair” trial isn’t possible, needing jurors who are both unaware of current events yet not irredeemably stupid.

      Not much we can do about that.

      • Tawreos

        In a country that seems to have a 5 minute attention span most of the time, many have forgotten about it because it was close to them but may not have affected them directly.

      • Karl Dubhe 2

        I was called up for such a case, quite a few years ago. I wasn’t accepted for the jury, the jurors that did serve were offered help for dealing with the particulars of the crime. In the end they didn’t hear the whole case as the idiot admitted his guilt before the jurors could send him away forever.

        For her, she should be able to choose a judge. I’ll never choose a jury trial, not after having talked to other potential jurors.

    • Smokey

      Not sure if true in all cases/courts but yes you can. A friend who worked in a county court for many years said that she would never have a jury trial after all she had seen.

      • it depends on why you are in court. if you are guilty, demand a jury trial! get your lawyer to find the 14 stupidest people on the planet in that box. well, not laffy emoticons, but i know some murderers who got off this way. eek, is that scary? it’s only because their lawyer used to rent the backhouse when i was a little girl that i know of them.

        if you are innocent, *always* ask for a judge to give the verdict. judges are many things, but most of all they are accountable to actual law, interpreted in a real and meaningful way. even if they hate you, like some bigot judges will, they will likely not want to risk their careers by laying down an illegal or unconstitutionally biased judgement.

  • Lazycrockett

    OT

    Drumpf is taking a physical today. I was wondering if this was going to happen. Now if the media is allowed to see the results or not should be interesting.

    • Jonathan Smith
      • no, there’s a better pic of him than that. where he looks like the junkie he is, but actually high. “doctor,” indeed.

        • Jonathan Smith

          you know what you call the person who graduated Last in his medical class?
          Doctor.

          • my life giving unit, who is also a professor at her medical school, used to say that she only ever looked for the red line. she’s really smart in some ways, but not so good with science. this was in the old days, when med schools would post results of exams in med school classes on the prof’s door. she said she never cared about her grades, only that her name did not appear ‘below the line,’ of failing (grade D- or lower).

            she’s professor of medicine at one of the nation’s largest medical schools. i, on the other hand, never had a grade lower than a B- for all of my grad school years, and my overall average is much higher than even that. yeah. fuck you, “mom.”

            (sorry, i’m having a bad week and she is part of the reason why, so it feels nice to dig at her on this blog sometimes)

          • Jonathan Smith
          • Tawreos

            Hugs or is the pretty kitty getting choked by the other pretty kitty?

          • Tawreos

            If you feel the need vent about your mother, come sit by me and we can go for hours telling Mom stories

          • hours? try days. what do you like to drink/eat? i have a couple of hundred dollars right now that i don’t have to use to pay bills. let’s head over to mike’s place and have something good while we share stories. i bet mine are better than yours, but then again almost all black lesbians can say that to most of our community. she really, really Sucks.

          • Reality.Bites
      • Tawreos

        How many of those links on his desktop go directly to porn sites?

        • Jonathan Smith

          besides the “windows” one?
          all of them

      • Tawreos

        He looks like he prescribed the country into the opioid crisis.

        • Jonathan Smith

          please.
          he looks like he IS the country’s opioid crisis.

          • Tawreos

            It makes me wonder how of his “patients” call him Dr Feelgood.

          • Jonathan Smith

            if he is a Republican-
            just the one’s under 16.

          • i actually love that song. i’m of the generation when that band was decried as being ‘of the Devil.’ heh. our elementary school teachers were so afraid of them.

    • tonyg

      Taking a physical? Or getting his lower plate fixed?

      • Paula

        He wore his special dentures for the dokter.

        • Jonathan Smith

          i just assumed he took them out.

    • bkmn

      I’ve seen speculation that he could be having mini strokes, which might account for his speech yesterday.

      • Jonathan Smith

        I’ve seen speculation he is an orange shitgibbon.
        the GOP is still doing his will

      • Reality.Bites

        I think he should have the biggest stroke ever! The best.

        • I do the best strokes!

          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            mmmmmm…..pics

          • Reality.Bites

            Not the kind I want him to have.

  • ChrisMorley

    OT

    US evangelical preacher should be banned from entering UK, critics say
    – Opposition grows to visit by Franklin Graham, who is accused of ‘hate speech’ for remarks about Islam and gay people
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/07/us-evangelical-preacher-franklin-graham-uk-critics

    ‘Graham, 65, the son of the evangelical preacher Billy Graham, is to be the main speaker at the Lancashire festival of hope at Blackpool’s Winter Gardens [in NW England] in September 2018.

    ‘Several MPs, including a government minister, have urged the home secretary to consider refusing UK entry to Franklin Graham, with some suggesting his comments contravene British laws on hate speech. A petition against Graham being granted a visa has gathered more than 4,600 signatures. https://www.change.org/p/home-secretary-amber-rudd-stop-hate-speech-preacher-franklin-graham-s-visa-to-uk
    ‘Nina Parker, the pastor of Liberty church in Blackpool and the organiser of the petition, said: “As a Christian and as a leader of a church that particularly welcomes LGBT people, I’m horrified that other local churches are inviting someone with this record of hate speech.”

    • bkmn

      Good – long past time Fraudlin be exposed for the shit he is.

      • Tawreos

        It won’t be believed by the ones who need to see this the most. This will just be christian persecution and it will make the feel good about themselves.

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      • bzrd

        sing it everyone
        Grifting along like a bumbling bumble weed

    • rickhfx

      The Bible is a hate book.

  • Jonathan Smith
    • Tread

      Best articulation ever. I can actually hear Clive Owen saying that.

  • Leo

    OT. A firing from Morning Joe to likely follow. I know several of you on this board have followed his career closely and will rejoice. No, I’m not grabbing the wine, bring your own.
    https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/938844563753656321?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

    • gaycuckhubby

      There’s a report that CNN and Washington post are working on a story that is set to expose 20 to 30 members of Congress as sexual harassers

      • Jonathan Smith

        then they are not working hard enough.

      • Ninja0980

        And you know that will hit both parties.

        • gaycuckhubby

          Yes. Which is probably why the Democrats got out in front of the story. Franken was strategic

      • Leo

        Oh! Link?

      • Lazycrockett

        The Republicans will circle the wagons and nothing will happen to their members except re-election.

        • gaycuckhubby

          Well. Nothing we can do to change that.

      • Tawreos

        Please let the vast majority be GOP.

    • Judas Peckerwood

      Couldn’t happen to a bigger douchebag.

      • Reality.Bites

        It certainly could. I have a list. 🙂

  • Lazycrockett

    She admitted to casing the place with her husband right?

  • bkmn

    Semi O/T – the officer who saved several people during the attack has PTSD and can no longer do his job and is being fired. He was 6 months away from being vested in the retirement plan.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/06/health/pulse-shooting-ptsd-officer/index.html

    • Ninja0980

      No good deed goes unpunished.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Should have shot some blah people. He would have served out in a desk job.

    • Tread

      Here’s the phone number of the Eatonville PD, should you feel so inclined: (407) 623-8900.

    • Guess

      So much for the (No, Actually It’s) Blue Lives (That) Matter crowd.

    • RaygunsGoZap

      That is fucking deplorable

  • ok, i just started part deux of my day, and am a little groggy.

    why is this in federal court? normally, if you a poor or blah person, you face multiple murder charges in a local court. are the locals here so incompetent and bigoted that this got kicked up to a federal level by someone decent? if so, that is Sad.

    if there are other details i don’t understand i am willing to be educated. he killed a lot of people and is guilty of a hate crime. that’s federal. i just want to know why the locals aren’t doing anything about her involvement in it all. did the feds order them to let them take over?

    tldr: murder is murder. i am tired of having these cases dealt with differently. i live in a city where murder happens often. i cannot recall a time recently where the feds “had” to be involved. why are we different in this respect?

    • Reality.Bites

      Because this was a hate crime and an act of terrorism, not a mere multiple murder.

      • ok. still. it’s the “it’s different” part that annoys me. murder is murder. i guess what i’m saying is that i want every local law enforcement agency to be able to handle this kind of stuff, because the minute the feds are involved it becomes a whole different world.

        murder of gay people is murder. we should not need “special” laws, even as i would say the same thing about racially motivated hate killings. just put the fuckers in jail already. i’m a little weird in this respect mostly because of dad, who was a judge. even tho the highest level he ever made was the state supreme court, he never had a problem sentencing a murderer. regardless of if that person killed a spouse, child, lover, banker, farmer…

        when the feds get involved, it adds a ridiculous level of politics to what should otherwise be a simple ‘is this person guilty of murder?’ to the case, and that only increases the chances that a guilty person will be found innocent.

        • BobSF_94117

          Terrorism is a crime with federal jurisdiction.

  • SoCalVet

    lock her up.

    • GanymedeRenard

      They already did. 🙂

      • Jonathan Smith

        then KEEP her there.

        • GanymedeRenard

          Absolutely.

  • Paula

    Sorry, Noor, Complicit.

  • Reasonoverhate

    This actually seems like a reasonable request by the defense. I’m not an attorney but couldn’t this open up a loophole on appeal?

    • Friday

      It’s not like the coverage of this wasn’t national. I think they’re just fishing for a more anti-LGBT venue.

      • HandyAndy

        That’s exactly what they were trying to do by trying to move the case “outside the city”. Here in Florida, everywhere north of the I-4 corridor that is outside of a city is an anti-LGBT venue.

  • gaycuckhubby

    Right after the attack there was lots of speculation on the sexuality of the shooter. Last week there was a story in a local Orlando newspaper about the trial, the authorities went through his phone and found multiple dating apps but all heterosexual. They also talked with multiple women who he had hookups with including one long term extramarital affair

    • Jonathan Smith

      ewwwww……….straight?

      • MBear

        Str8 people are predominantly mass murderers

        • bzrd

          white

        • RaygunsGoZap

          LOL. That phrasing.

        • rickhfx

          They can’t build prisons fast enough to house all the hets, Het = criminal, they are the largest group of terrorists and abusers. White str8 christian men and their abusive power are ready to be taken down.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    The Happiest Place on Earth.

  • RobynWatts

    Oh, so sorry, Salman. Maybe you should had thought about the results of your actions before that piece of excrement that you called a husband murdered 49 innocence people.

    • Friday

      Why I think an example should be made, if the facts are anywhere near where I expect them to come down. “Looking the other way” really shouldn’t be an out when people are planning attacks like this.

  • Lazycrockett
    • edrex

      i doubt he’ll argue that his position has “evolved.”

    • Friday

      Meanwhile, of course, he’s the one waving guns and squalling for more while inciting violence against those he hates.

      Christians need to *blind* people to their yes, animal instincts, because they *use* them to lead people around by the nose, and other parts they like to get grabby with.

    • BobSF_94117

      So much better to come from dirt. Or ribs. Mmmmm…. ribs….

  • Lawerence Collins

    I think we can all agree that GOP thugs are a terrorist threat.

  • David Walker

    OT. Pulse was both the highest number of LGBTQs and allies and Americans slaughtered by an assassin since 1973. Pulse remains the highest number for us (may it stay at that forever, please); Las Vegas took care of the number of Americans.

    The previous “record” was at the Up Stairs Lounge in NOLA in 1973. I had the opportunity to watch the new documentary on this horror. I, of course, think it needs to be seen by all, but especially those of us interested in our history. It is difficult to sit through (and I tend to be a rather devout coward), but I also think it is necessary to remember and learn. It maybe or not be SFW, and there are a couple of shots of charred bodies.

    Also, sorry, but I can’t find a trailer that’s not an ad for the DVD. I am not selling the DVD.
    https://vimeo.com/94905654

  • MBear

    Next up: ” these jurors all think killing gay people is wrong so i cant get an impartial jury”

    • boatboy_srq

      [comment redacted]

      • Lumpy Gaga

        … and Chechnya, Uzbekibekibekistan, etc.

      • MBear

        Al- abama doesnt give a shit about a proper court of law. See also “Judge” Roy Moore

  • jruffdc

    Fuck you, bitch. You’re going away for a very long time.

  • Where the hell is she going to get a jury any more impartial? It’s not like this was some local news story that people in Miami didn’t hear as much about. Her only defense is if the charges aren’t true. If they are, I’d take a plea deal.

  • Bluto
  • Guess