Wildfires Continue To Spread In Southern California, 50,000 Ordered To Evacuate, Highways Closed [VIDEO]

NBC News reports:

Wildfires continued to explode across Southern California on Wednesday as dry conditions and roaring winds turned the region into a tinderbox, forcing thousands to evacuate.

The Thomas Fire, as the blaze has been dubbed, put approximately 50,000 residents under a mandatory evacuation and burned more than 55,000 acres in the Ventura County area with no containment after springing up earlier this week, officials said.

By Wednesday morning another fire erupted farther south in Los Angeles, threatening The Getty Center, a campus of the J. Paul Getty Museum, and causing the location and surrounding roads to close, according to NBC Los Angeles. The cause of that fire is unknown at this time.

  • Todd20036

    Global warming isn’t real, but if we pray to God, he’ll keep the fires away.

    • another_steve

      If scientists establish beyond a shadow of a doubt that global warming is connected to an increased frequency of wildfires and businesses start burning down as a result (Starbucks, McDonald’s, Walmart), that’s when Congress and the President will start taking global warming seriously.

      If Corporate America isn’t feeling the pinch however, forget it.

      • Karl Dubhe 2

        You know science doesn’t work like that.

        It’s the economy that makes the governments not want to see what needs to happen. They make too much from oil.

    • AJ Drew
  • bkmn

    And no federal disaster declaration yet, correct?

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      Its california. Trump will treat us like puerto rico. This era we are in will be dubbed “the age of youre on your own”

      • Tread

        “Unless you voted for the fat, orange asshole.” I hope states denied disaster relief sue the fuck out of the federal government (Illinois had it’s turn after the floods this summer).

      • Snarkaholic

        …unless you write a very generous check to the person(s) you need something from.

    • m_lp_ql_m

      We don’t need the feds. We’re better off without them, actually.

      • Mike_in_the_Tundra

        In so many ways.

      • Tawreos

        Trump and the rest of them want people to not rely on the government so they can give more money to the people that don’t need anymore than they already have

    • Circ09

      In this case, it’s not on Trump. Fed Disaster Declarations -which is for Individual Assistance – are based on actual # of losses of primary dwellings. Fires like this always take a long time to be declared. Most are Insured and many have ALE to cover Loss of Use. Plus, during Mandatory Evacs, FEMA technically does not pay for hotel expenses. The assumption is that the State and Locals will provide enough shelters for the population under the Mandatory Evac order. The FEMA Region that handles the Public Assistance side of things are already on site and coordinating with local authorities.

  • another_steve

    The only time in my life that I had to call the police was when a neighbor set a huge fire (presumably to get rid of some garbage) on a hot dry summer afternoon and left it unattended.

    Some people are such assholes.

  • Butch

    I could see the Hayman Fire (which burned 137,000 acres) from the porch of my home in Colorado. It’s a horrible feeling.

  • JoeMyGod
  • Leo

    My grandmother’s good friend in Pacific Palisades, a former meteorologist, thinks the origin of this latest blaze is arson that the winds/dry climate helped fuel. She knows what she’s talking about and I don’t doubt it.

    • Tread

      Did they ever determine the source of the fires up in northern California?

      • m_lp_ql_m

        Last I heard, PG&E are doing their best to claim it was “someone else’s power lines.”

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      A lot of these fires out here near freeways are caused by assholes throwing cigs out their car windows during windy hot weather.
      When you drive up laurel canyon in LA there are road signs saying ‘no smoking’

      • JAKvirginia

        Amen. And I smoke. NOTHING pisses me off more than seeing some asshole do that. Once in FL some idiot tossed one out of their sunroof while driving, hitting my windshield. Pigs come in all shapes and sizes.

        • sfbob

          When I was a kid (a long time ago) my dad flicked a cigarette butt out the window. It flew in the passenger window and burned me. That broke him of the habit.

      • What about the assholes who drive with chains dragging from their trucks causing sparks everywhere? I am being many of them do it intentionally.

      • StudioTodd

        That might have been the case in the past, but fires caused by cigarettes have dropped by 90% since 1980. And since 2004, the number dropped by 23%, due to the advent of self-extinguishing cigarettes.

        While people flipping cigarettes out of cars is a bad idea for many reasons, it’s not been shown to be the cause of most wildfires.

    • The fire near the Getty Center is on one of the busiest highways on the planet, so it most likely arson, but anything from a burnt cigarette to a spark from metal grinding the pavement could cause it..

      The winds are so strong right now, the other fires could be from a blown power line or a broken tree branch hitting a transformer/circuit. However, a fire that starts near a freeway is most likely arson, given the arsonist has an easy escape..

      Whether the cause, which really doesn’t matter, the winds are the biggest culprit in spreading the fires, once the wind dies down, the fires can be contained..

  • JoeMyGod
    • Todd20036

      The radio announcer wishing you a Merry Christmas is a nice ironic touch

    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      That’s like driving into the mouth of hell.

    • The 405 is bad when everything is all hunky dory… All the Freeways and surface streets (the 101, the Santa Monica Fwy (10) Topanga Canyon Blvd, Pacific Coast Highway) are going to be parking lots as well..

  • FAEN

    Welcome to the norm. Wait till more cities are affected by flooding. All this while the GOP ignore SCIENCE. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

    • JAKvirginia

      The new Republican bumpersticker:

      SHIT HAPPENS.
      Or we make shit happen.

  • Leo
    • Tread

      There needs to be an organized look at religion in the next decade. Churches have gone too long without any sort of oversight or scrutiny, while deplorable acts have taken place inside their spaces.

    • Snarkaholic

      I went to the Protestant equivalent of a Catholic school, and both the principal and my fifth grade teacher, Mrs. Kennedy, were bullies.
      On several occasions, she grabbed me by the face, HARD (we’re talking serious fish face), and yelled at me. She once told me that my mother had given her permission to hit me, and that she very likely would.
      When asked, my mother denied having given said permission.

    • I read the first two paragraphs. I’m going to brew more coffee so that I have something to put the bourbon in, before I continue reading.

    • coram nobis

      From the article:

      Roloff himself died in 1982, but by then he had established a strong tradition of exploiting the religious freedom loophole to shield suspect youth residential facilities from outside scrutiny. Somehow, that same loophole still exists across much of America today.

      So this is religious freedom too, not just cake.

  • Tawreos

    I hope everyone gets out of the way of these fires and stays safe.

  • Tomcat

    I am sickened by all this destruction. And If I hear even one christian say California is being punished, I will go postal on them.

    • Lakeview Bob

      Be prepared honey. You know it will come.

  • DisqusD37

    We just went through this in Sonoma County. As fellow Californians, we’re all with you and hold on to hope for survival of loved ones and homes.

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  • Tomcat

    At the rate of California burning, by time California falls into the sea it will be a welcome relief./s

  • halfwaythere

    I grew up here, breaks my heart.

  • Tomcat

    It must be extremely depressing to look at the once beautiful areas of California and now just see ruins. I can’t see it and I am depressed for the people of California just from empathy.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Tomcat

      Sorry Franken but it is starting to look like you should exit stage left.
      If these things had been known when they happened, you would not have been elected anyway.

    • MikeBx2
    • Tread

      *sigh* At this point, you have become a distraction, Senator Franken. It breaks my heart to lose your voice, but you must step down.

    • another_steve

      I’m assuming that these women don’t have political agendas. (That must be investigated and established in all these alleged harassment cases.)

      Assuming that’s the case, the supporting evidence as detailed in the vox.com piece appears to be convincing and Franken must resign or be expelled from his seat in Congress.

    • TimCA

      I just heard on MSNBC that 4 Democratic female senators (McCaskill, Gillibrand, Hirono and Hassan) are now calling on Franken to resign.

    • Treant

      Assuming we don’t find out she’s now a rabid Republican, we have a problem.

      • Ninja0980

        Sad to say but at this point, he has to go.

        • Treant

          Barring discovery of the “Get Franken With False Accusations” fund, yes.

    • I know this is not similar, but this is sounding a lot like former mayor of San Diego and Congressman Bob Filner..

  • Tomcat

    Many of these fires are arson for sure.

  • Nychta
    • Tomcat

      He left out the arsonist.

    • Tread

      Fuck your thoughts and prayers, you sick fuck.

    • Taylor Bixler
    • JAKvirginia

      NEW!!!
      Instant Thoughts and Prayers.
      Just add water.

    • Karl Dubhe 2

      Sure you don’t mean that Trump is in on it? Profiteering somehow?

    • Pip

      Well, hell. Everything is made better now that his “Thoughts and Prayers” are out there. Task complete! Onto the next crisis.

    • coram nobis

      We’re still out the funding for the wine country fires in October, last I looked.

      BTW, a lot of the responders might be Federal, e.g., US Forest Service. How’s their funding?

    • William

      Farts and giggles.

  • Nychta

    Saw this in the comments under Trump’s tweet:
    https://twitter.com/marcellalaluna/status/938441257831026688

    • Tomcat

      Burn down Paradise and put up a parking lot.

      • Snarkaholic

        …and, right next to the parking lot, put up an elementary school…with lots of bushes for pervs to hide in!

        • JaniceInToronto

          Repervlicans?

          Did I just make up a new word?

    • Halou

      Did Dear Donald just say “thoughts and prayers”? I can’t think of any way he could do less in response to this incident.

      • Karl Dubhe 2

        He could have ignored it entirely.

        • Sporkfighter

          I’d prefer the silence.

  • Stephen Elliot Phillips

    Hasnt been a drop of rain yet here in socal. I fear we are repeating the drought of two years ago when we got no precipitation at all and the temps were abnormally high

    • William

      I visited our old San Diego neighborhood in 2000. There was not one tree in the entire area. The trees had either died from drought or were considered a fire hazard and cut down.

      • Stephen Elliot Phillips

        The trees are dying everywhere here. Theres not enough ground water to sustain large plants. And people have drastically cut back on irrigation which actually sustained most trees here.

        • David L. Caster

          I put 14 California Oak acorns in pots of enriched soil last night. Those trees are very drought tolerant.

          Here in northern San Diego County, it has been very dry for some time now. I have almost exclusively drip irrigation everywhere though there are a few little sprinklers in certain areas. The remaining larger sprinklers are scheduled for demolition in 2018.

          100 cubic feet of water (748 gallons) is over $4 here. It’s pretty clear that the entirety of my half-acre lot will be xeriscaped.

  • My parents’ house is being used as a shelter by my sister’s family (animals everywhere) due to the fire near the foothills.

  • MikeBx2
    • Treant

      This does seem like the end game. Barring very rapid proof that the latest accusers are politically motivated, I’m going to say that Franken has a grabby problem. In which case, see ya later, we don’t need that in the Senate.

    • MikeBx2
      • GayOldLady

        When the first woman came forward I was comfortable thinking the incident was an aberration, a one off horse play gone too far. But with complaints 2, 3 and 4 it showed a pattern of behavior that was hard to explain. Now we have accuser 5, 6 and 7, sadly It’s time for Al to go.

        • jerry

          I’m still a little leery because a couple were RW shills, and it was part of a comedy routine…but, yes, it certainly doesn’t look good.

  • Ninja0980

    We had two straight days in the 50’s and little to snow once again when we used to have several feet by this time of year.
    But climate change isn’t real right?

    • Treant

      Ditto here, minus the snow. We don’t usually get that until late December at the earliest, and that’s perfectly normal.

      We were slightly short of precip in October, 2″ short (half normal) in November, and so far, we’re on track for half normal in December. It rained all summer so we’re in no danger, but still.

  • Lantor

    O/T: I hope he finds the quiet he needs. I wonder if they have a union at his PD. My guess is no or it’s really weak.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/12/05/hero-cop-orlandos-pulse-shooting-terminated-force/925724001/

    • Treant

      I love our idea of mental heath care in this country. “Bye!” pretty much covers it.

      Yeah, hopefully they have a union, or he sues them.

    • SoCalGal20

      What a shitty way to treat a hero.

  • Do Something Nice

    In California, we frequently experience these fires, especially in the first year of rain after a drought.

    • coram nobis

      Yes, although this winter, so far, has rainfall totals running about half what they should be. And no rain in the forecast through at least the 15th.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
    • Karl Dubhe 2

      So, is it still there?

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        I think we would have heard if it wasnt

  • Joe in PA

    Hub’s sister and brother-in-law live in Simi Valley. Hmmm. When he talked to her yesterday she said (in her typical deadpan style): well, no fires have started in the front lawn. I’m thinking that is kind of a low bar.

  • Friday’s_cat

    You know it’s out of control when package delivery services post exception warnings.

  • Steve Teeter

    Los Angeles was home for me for twenty years. I’ve driven through the Sepulveda pass a thousand times at least. To see it on fire is beyond shocking. It is heartbreaking. It is unreal. It is hard to believe. I am just stunned.

    • Renfield

      Me 2. I grew up there.

  • Renfield

    Have family in that area. They say they say they are OK but smoke is all around.

  • William

    California has to change building codes and require new houses to be built out of concrete.

    • coram nobis

      Problem is, a) there’s also the seismic risk and b) given a firestorm with a Santa Ana or Diablo wind behind it, the building would burn anyway, or at least all its contents. And concrete itself can deform in that kind of heat and need replacement. California building codes have long since forbidden the obvious risks like shake roofs.

      Alternative is to enforce safe-space trimming around houses and brush thinning in open areas. That’s being done, but that takes public funds, and those are lacking. Especially in Federal lands, and the LA area has Forest Service lands nearby.

      • SoCalGal20

        Many municipalities require that if you live in designated fire-prone areas that you have a certain amount of defensible space around your house. You are required to clear brush out. If you don’t you can be ticketed. I’m not sure how much that’s actually enforced, though.

      • William

        Most houses are ignited by blowing embers. Leaves in the rain gutters and wooden decks are the first things that burst into flames. In a dense neighborhood, if the five houses closest to yours are blazing away, yours will go up as well.

    • leastyebejudged

      Maybe don’t allow any buildings to be built anymore with tar covered roofing might be a good start. And do not get me started on wood shingles.

      There are so many options, MgO board, AAC forms and blocks, foamed cement.. All proven technologies resistant to fire and seismic activity.

      • William

        It wasn’t that long ago I saw some yutz on one of those home remodeling programs installing a cedar shake roof on a house in California. He might as well used books of matches.

  • GanymedeRenard

    Replace Nero with You-Know-Who, Rome with SouthCal, and the lyre with a golf stick. You get the idea.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/674daa496ac2f8037a7dc370166772037e1dc15af952bb81f3c9191cbef3ded8.jpg

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
  • coram nobis

    Strange weather all over California. San Francisco has humidity less than 20% and no rain before Dec. 20 at least.

    http://www.sfgate.com/weather/article/humidity-San-Francisco-dry-air-high-pressure-ridge-12408244.php

    California’s rainy season usually only runs from November to April, so if there’s no rain in that period, it’s not good. And trees stressed by drought can burn as well as rainy-season growth.

    • Natty Enquirer

      The current weather is reminiscent of the drought pattern.

  • leastyebejudged

    The air is normally crappy, now it’s extra crappy.

  • ChuckinTucson

    Left Los Angeles yesterday afternoon heading north on the 405. Looks like I missed this mess by 24 hours. Stay safe everybody.