FLORIDA: Hundreds Protest But Campus Speech By Nazi Richard Spencer Goes Off With Little Incident

The BBC reports:

Hundreds of protesters have marched on the University of Florida to decry a speech by a white nationalist. Richard Spencer’s event in Gainesville has prompted the governor to declare a state of emergency, and hundreds of police have also flooded the campus.

Mr Spencer struggled to speak over a crowd of protesters, who jeered and chanted “go home, Spencer!” His speech comes two months after a far-right rally in Virginia left an anti-racism protester dead.

“I’m not going home, I will stand here all day if I have to,” Mr Spencer said, calling the crowd a mob and “shrieking and grunting morons”. Audience members continued to heckle him, chanting “Nazis are not welcome here” and “Let’s go, Gators!”, a nod to the college’s mascot.

More from Reuters:

Amid heavy police presence, demonstrators taking part in the rally chanted “Stand up, fight back” and “Go home, Spencer.” A plane flew overhead with a sign that read “Love conquers hate! Love will prevail!” A man hired as security for media was arrested for illegally carrying a firearm on campus, the Alachua County Sheriff’s Office said.

About 15 white men, all dressed in white shirts and khaki pants, raised their hands when Spencer asked who identified with the alt-right, a loose grouping characterized by a rejection of mainstream politics that includes neo-Nazis, white supremacists and anti-Semites.

The university said it did not invite Spencer to speak, but was obligated by law to allow the event. The school said it will spend more than $500,000 on security, and the National Policy Institute is paying more than $10,000 to rent the facility and for security within the venue.

And from NBC News:

Spencer seemed to revel in the attention. He held a pre-speech news conference in which he denied being a white supremacist and compared his vision of an “ethno state” to the pursuit of Israel as a Jewish state. He also parried reporters’ questions with condescending answers, calling them “dumb,” “not smart enough,” and compared them to preschoolers.

And he described his supporters as being oppressed by “politically correct” opponents. He called Thursday’s event as a victory, proof “that we are persevering.” While Spencer responded to protesters in the theater, a white man with swastikas on his shirt waded into the crowd outside, where he was confronted by protesters, one of whom spit on him, and another who shoved him.

A black man asked the white man why he didn’t like him, and when he got no response, the black man hugged him. Then someone in the crowd shoved the white man, and another hit him. As the white man walked away, the crowd chanted, “Go home, Nazi scum.”

  • Pluto Animus

    Always brightens my day to see a Nazi getting punched.

    Thanks, Joe!

    • FAEN

      I still have a hard time believing that we have Nazi’s in the USA in 2017 but here they are.

      • Grumpy Old Man

        I was hanging out on a tech site around 2009 when I got into some political discussions with a couple of people. One of whom used the name ‘Sturm’ – I asked him “as in Sturm und drang”, he did not answer but I was so naive that I assumed he was just a twit because who the fuck would do that seriously! I guess I should have paid attention to his recommendation of AceofSpades.com as a clue. They tried to convince me I was a Libertarian not a Liberal.

        I lost a chance to castigate Nazis due to naivete. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fcac38b13848eeff1572366689c60a49fdcc875b8437396704e7fe3daecca428.gif

      • Steverino

        It is symptomatic of a long-standing tendency in this country (since post WWII) to smear “leftists” and “liberals” as being unpatriotic and traitorous (“commie-symps,” “pinkos”), leading to endless investigations of certain left-leaning citizens by congressional committees and the FBI under Hoover (sound familiar?), leaving ruined lives and careers in its wake, while giving a pass to far-right groups, such as the Klan, neo-Nazis, and even the John Birch Society (of which the Koch Brothers’ father was a co-founder).

        I have long believed- since the days of Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan- that the USA was always in far more danger of going fascist than communist, or even socialist (the popular New Deal programs of FDR notwithstanding), and that the Red Scare and McCarthyism pograms of the 1940s and 1950s formed the pattern for right-wing scapegoating and diversion which is followed to this very day.

        • There was never a moment in American history in which we were in danger of a communist takeover. However, had the New Deal not worked, I think we’d have found ourselves in a fascist nation by the mid-1930s. Look at the Fascist meetings all over the country and the congressional investigations into anti-fascist films and even comic books during the 30s and early 40s.

          • don

            And they have nearly finished undoing FDR’s achievements. Just wait until the rest of Orange Filth’s USSC appointments take their seats.

          • Look at the federal court appointments. It wasn’t just Garland. There were dozens of federal judgeships open when Obama left office…all stalled while Republican senators waited hoping to take back the White House…which they did. This matters because most cases never get to the Supreme Court.

            As for FDR’s achievements…not all. Their worst scheme is to let Wall Street get their grubby paws on the Social Security trust fund. If that ever happens the entire fund will be eaten up in fees and replaced with junk investments and the next economic crisis after that happens will mean it’s all gone.

  • Lazycrockett
  • Ragnar Lothbrok
    • Tatonka

      Ha ha. Say goodbye to your voting rights and concealed carry permit.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Doesn’t Florida have a “paper bag” test?

        • don

          Yep. Darker than a bag, you get plugged with lead- lighter color, you’re bought hamburgers.

    • Steverino

      These felonious Nazis ought to emulate their hero, and fellate their pistols.

    • Jay George

      And do I even need to say this? If it were a black guy, he’d be dead on the ground.

    • Clive Johnson

      I hope that one of the lessons learned from Charlottesville is that maximal photo and video coverage is needed. Looks like they’ve got that covered here.

      Now, I’m wondering if anyone is keeping track of who those white shirt/khaki pants fools are.

    • Kristen InaTavia Solindas

      So a “good guy with a gun” is fine – except at a right-wing rally? Oh, I am truly shocked.

  • TimCA

    Trump’s “very fine people”.
    🙁

    • FAEN

      And to Cheeto they ARE “very fine people”

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
    • FAEN

      Dissident intellectual? WTFE.

      • Steverino

        More like a decadent ineffectual.

    • UrsusArctos 🐻

      Cognitive dissonance I would buy, dissident intellectual, um nope. White male snowbro doesn’t have a clue how bad he makes us old white men look. Suck it up buttercup. You want to play Nazi, you get treated like a Nazi.

    • If he’s an intellectual, I’m the Queen of England.

      • Tulle Christensen

        So then you are not the one to beg to take back the colonies

    • BearEyes

      he does crave negative attention.

    • Jay George

      Maybe he yelled “pissant intellectual?”

  • FAEN

    I’m a little conflicted here-I think everyone should have the right so free speech but when does free speech cross over into hate speech and should we be censoring speech?

    Thoughts?

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      When these are the type of followers you have :

      https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/921092718167773185

      • FAEN

        They’re repulsive people, no doubt about it.

      • JoeMyGod

        I monitored that chat for a few minutes. For every racist comment others fired back that Spencer takes it up the ass, etc.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          Oh, joy.

        • don

          Thanks for gathering mangoes…I feel like washing my hands after reading that.

          To hell with protecting Nazi speech. They want us DEAD.

      • Tatonka

        “Samouil Panayotov”? The Russians aren’t even bothering to use fake names anymore.

        • Tawreos

          Someone is going to get written up at the Russian troll factory

    • BobSF_94117

      When only 16 people show up to listen to a speech, we should ALL JUST IGNORE IT.

      • FAEN

        I’m all for protest. I think ignoring these assholes doesn’t get us anywhere.

        • BobSF_94117

          “Protesting” by disrupting the event and initiating violence is fulfilling the dreams of Spencer and his supporters.

          • FAEN

            Agreed-it should be as non violent as possible. Maybe I’m just too naive to think that can exist these days.

          • djcoastermark

            Overall, it seems as if the protesters were 99.9% non violent from what I am seeing on the local news .

          • GayOldLady

            This counter protest was exactly what it should have been. Basically peaceful and loud. If Spencer wants to talk without interruption let him rent a room on private property.

          • netxtown

            that’s a damn good point. Spencer targets public universities exactly because of the free speech laws. But that also puts his screech in the public domain – where folks are free to voice their objection or approval.

            If he wants to give a private lecture – then let him rent a private lecture hall.

          • GayOldLady

            The only way to run his supporters back underground is to show them that a lot of people are watching and oppose them and their views. Spencer is too arrogant to understand the long term down side of these public events

          • BobSF_94117

            Please remember this POV when some fundie preacher brings his megaphone to disrupt Pride next summer.

          • GayOldLady

            Bob, I marched in a Pride March in the 90’s, in southern city while Westwood Baptist jeered and insulted us from the curb. Most of my life I’ve stood up in the face of bigotry and hatred and Richard Spencer is both.We will confront Nazism, homophobia, sexism, xenophobia and racism every step of the way. You can sit on your ass if you want, that’s fine with me.

          • BobSF_94117

            I didn’t ask about Baptists jeering from the sidelines. I suggested you remember the “right to disrupt” when you’re the one getting disrupted.

          • GayOldLady

            If I’m marching in a righteous movement I can and have taken whatever is dished out. Richard Spencer is the antithesis of righteousness and conscience compels many people, including me, to STAND against him and his ideology. You can sit on your ass and reap the benefit of those who refuse to allow him to go unchallenged.

          • Tulle Christensen

            well said, I think Bob has had it too easy in the Bay Area, as opposed to those of use who have lived in less friendly areas

          • don

            Why do you take the side of those who want us DEAD? Sorry mate- this goes beyond ‘free speech’…and the fundies get plenty of chances to air their garbage, see Church, Westboro Baptist.

          • BobSF_94117

            I take the side which opposes people hitting other people for talking.

          • Natty Enquirer

            No, you’re not naive. The people who think they have a right to physically assault a person for what she or he says are the throwbacks.

          • Adam King

            Non-violent protest was a tactic of people like Gandhi and MLK who were performing acts of civil disobedience against governments that claim a monopoly on violence and use that monopoly to enforce unjust laws. This is not that.

          • don

            Violence? Wrong. Shout him down? Hell yes. Fuck the Nazis all to hell.

      • Tawreos

        It is really not a good idea to let them get away with it on public property. They need to know that coming out into the light is going to get them this kind of a reaction every time. The protesters need to be non-violent, but they need to be there whenever these rats poke their heads out.

        • BobSF_94117

          They need to be outside, protesting, or celebrating better ideas. They do not need to disrupt and prevent speech, certainly not at a university.

      • paganguy

        But that’s a bit like saying: I only saw a couple of cockroaches. How big a problem could it be?

      • HAAAAAAA
        • FAEN

          PUPPY ❤️

      • Dagoril

        Time for you to rewatch Cabaret.

        • BobSF_94117

          There were more than 16 Nazis in Caberet…

          • Dagoril

            Not at the beginning.

      • Tulle Christensen

        I once had a small growth on my skin near my belt line, I tried to ignore it but it did not go away, it only got bigger and bigger until I went and had the doctor cut it off

    • ETownCanuck

      Absolutely! I’m gonna get flack for this from the Americans…but this is shit we simply don’t have to put up with in Canada because we have laws against it. There should be societal limits on the garbage these people spew because it’s a cancer and it grows if left unchecked.

      • djcoastermark

        Amen !. There has to be a limit. Canada seems to have gotten it right.

      • Cattleya1

        This is a real conundrum – do we allow free speech to people whose stated goal is to turn the US into a fascist state? The people who read and comment here are for the most part, from a minority which Spencer’s NAZI state would round up and dispose of. Canada and The UK may be ahead of us here.

    • shivadog

      I find it odd that you can be arrested for spreading lies about a person, (slander, libel) but if you do the same thing to a whole group of people it is protected as free speech.

      • djcoastermark

        Good point.

      • Cattleya1

        You can be sued, but I do not think you can be arrested.

        • shivadog

          You are probably correct, but it still doesn’t explain why one is a crime and the other is protected speech.

      • FAEN

        That is odd.

    • Natty Enquirer

      When it incites immediate lawless action.

    • Max_1
      • FAEN

        Ouch. I’ve seen this before. I would hope through my comments you would know I’m not on Spencer’s side.

    • GayOldLady

      Well Spencer is calling for an all white country, how do you suppose he plans to get there while flaunting his Nazism? To my mind there’s little doubt as to what his final solution would be.

      • Silver Badger

        It is a little late for a white country. Even Hitler would shrink from the carnage involved.

      • Dan Ryan

        Spencer did call for a “peaceful ethnic cleansing” so he tried to make it sound nice.

        • GayOldLady

          LOL. What does he have in mind the South Africa model, or the 1950 USA model?

          • RaygunsGoZap

            I read an article about this when he spoke at Texas A&M. He likes to paint with a broad brush when describing “peaceful” ethnic cleansing.

            When pressed for details about how he would make POC and degenerates leave areas they’ve lived and owned property for years, he has no actual answers.

            It’s all fantasy and lies.

          • FAEN

            Probably the South African model with a little Final Solution thrown in.

          • GayOldLady

            Exactly! That’s what he really wants, but he dare not say it, because if he did the doors to public venues would be closed to him forever.

          • don

            The SA version worked so well, after all…don’t ANY of these Nazi scum read history? Their kind WILL lose in the end, because they utterly lack moral authority.

        • FAEN

          They always do these days.

      • FAEN

        I understand and agree with your point. I was just putting a question out there about free speech and the limits.

        • GayOldLady

          I’m very passionate on this subject because I grew up in a segregated South and have seen white nationalism in action and in charge. It’s hideous and we’re never going back. It’s the responsibility of white people to make sure the Richard Spencer’s of the world never get a foothold, ever.

          • FAEN

            Again I agree-I am no fan of Spencer’s or his tiny dangerous way of thinking. I was just asking about free speech and where it ends. Or if it ends.

            There is no way we’re going back-the country has made too much progress for that but still, it’s unnerving that this terrified way of thinking still exists.

          • GayOldLady

            Spencer can talk all he wants and we can shout him down all we want. In time he will disappear because people won’t show up to listen to his madness. Most of the folks who come to hear Spencer don’t want the exposure that the protesters bring.

          • don

            It would help if his kind of scum didn’t have the implied and otherwise support of the orange filth in the White House.

    • Max_1

      RING- RING:
      Anytime a Nazi threatens our freedom…
      … You DO NOT give him a hug.

      • FAEN

        I have no desire to give him a hug and I hope my comment wasn’t taken that way.

        I like that JMG is a place where we can ask questions and discuss but I would think it’s quite obvious from my comments that I’m not a Nazi sympathizer.

    • Snarky

      First thing to remember is the far right in America has co-opted free speech. They march and rally, protected by the law, but the rallies are just used to incite violence. They say they want to “defend their heritage” or whatever, but when they show up to “speak,” they are all carrying shields and bats and other weapons, and they wear helmets.

      So to translate, whenever some neo-Nazi talks about their right to free speech, what they’re really saying is they are trying to incite violence.

      It’s effective, and it’s a shame. If some asshat like Spencer applies for a permit for a parade or a speech in a public place, on paper all they’re doing is saying they want to speak. They don’t SAY they want their sycophants to show up dressed like they’re going to the Berlin Renaissance Faire in 1939.

      Which is why I like how San Francisco handled them several weeks ago. “Sure you can come and speak. Here are the restrictions: no tiki torches, helmets, masks, bandanas, handkerchiefs, signs with sticks, selfie sticks, any kind of stick, shields, any pressurized container, any liquids except for water in factory-sealed plastic bottles, ice, backpacks, gas masks, coolers, toy guns, real guns, etc. etc. etc.” It essentially restricts their activities to actual speech. They can’t walk around with a gun or a baseball bat and intimidate people, all they can do is stand there and look like a bunch of fat-assed privileged white country club bros, complaining about how the world rejects their supposed superiority, waah waah waah.

      So no, I don’t think we should censor speech. I think we should make it so people who just want to use speech as a fig leaf to commit violence are restricted from their ability to do so.

      • don

        Well said.

    • Bluto

      How about this as a threshold – When it costs a venue 1/2 million dollars for extra security & a governor to declare a state of emergency.
      Or, since they get to vote on our civil rights then we get to vote on theirs.

      • FAEN

        Maybe we should have hate speech laws like they do in Canada?

  • JoeMyGod
    • djcoastermark

      So, a white supremist with a gun at the rally then ?

      • Max_1

        There to protect the white supremacist news network (aka FOXNews(R) ).

      • Lumpy Gaga

        He was just happy to see you.

        • Steverino

          If that were the case, it would have been a sawed-off pistol.

          • doninkansas

            snub nosed derringer?

    • FAEN

      Good god but not a surprise.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      “We shoot. You decide.”

    • Kristen InaTavia Solindas

      So a “good guy with a gun” is fine because of 2nd amendment and all – except at a right-wing rally? Oh, I am shocked.

  • fiizok

    Spencer is actually dumb enough to believe that today’s event helped his cause. It didn’t.

    • BobSF_94117

      Of course it did. He got lots of attention. “The Left” showed that it will disrupt even a pathetically small event. Free Speech lost today. Spencer won.

      • fiizok

        Oh goody, another troll who doesn’t understand what FREE SPEECH entails.

        • BobSF_94117

          You have an entire 370 comments to your name and your comments are private. Who’s the troll?

          • fiizok

            You have nothing to add to the conversation so you resort to a personal attack. Welcome to my ignore list.

          • netxtown

            BobSF has been around here a long, long time – and you’re spouting off like a donnie dotard …. my way or the highway bullshit.

          • BobSF_94117

            Thx, but let’s not make me sound tooooo ancient.

            😛

          • Silver Badger

            Hey, it happens to the best of us.

          • netxtown

            damn right! 🙂

          • fiizok

            Thanks for sticking words in my mouth. Very helpful. The personal attack is a nice touch too.

          • netxtown

            “Oh goody, another troll who doesn’t understand what FREE SPEECH entails.”

            what goes around, comes around.

          • fiizok

            You also have nothing to add to the conversation. Duly noted.

          • netxtown

            quick – show me you mean it and go for the block!

          • BobSF_94117

            Uh… you called me a troll.

          • Silver Badger

            Yes, yes he did.

          • Dazzer

            Yes. But you’re one of the cute trolls. You know – the ones with the hair and the plasticky smell that is redolent of all the senses of a happy childhood.

          • Tulle Christensen

            naw Bob is alright he is just often wrong 😉 but he is not trolling

          • John30013

            I blocked him a long time ago for just that reason.

        • RaygunsGoZap

          He isn’t a troll. He’s just a stubborn old fool.

          • fiizok

            Thanks for the clarification.

      • djcoastermark

        He got lots of attention, his speech showed just how much of a creep he is.

      • Natty Enquirer

        Private citizens do not owe each other the right of free speech. We constrain each other’s speech in many ways every day. In the U.S., the law of free speech prevents the government from constraining speech except in narrow circumstances.

        • BobSF_94117

          I realize that. In theory, in a free democracy, we owe each other civility. We allow each other to speak.

          • Tulle Christensen

            you do not owe Nazis anything,

          • Natty Enquirer

            Ideally, but democracy is not always high tea.

          • Adam King

            That’s why they called it the Civil War, I’m sure.

          • BobSF_94117

            I always assumed it was called that because of all the gloves.

          • zhera

            Hell no! We do not owe anyone the right to speak hate into our ears. If he can’t handle being protested he should rent a venue, have invited audience only, and speak to them. MY ears, MY rules.

          • BobSF_94117

            So anytime your ears are offended, it’s ok for you to shout down the speaker? Does that rule apply to everyone else or only you?

          • zhera

            Not anytime. But in a public space, yes. And of course it applies to everyone.

            You keep going on about something that is clear BY LAW, but that you disagree with. The intellectually honest thing to do would be for you to say ‘I disgree with the protesters right to protest like this, it should not be allowed by law’.

            Like I said, if Spencer wants to speak without people interrupting, he can find a venue and a setting that keeps protesters out.

          • BobSF_94117

            It’s not intellectually dishonest to recognize that some things that are ill-advised are legal.

          • zhera

            But that’s your opinion, which you have the right to speak about. Just like the protesters. Saying that free speech lost is wrong.

          • BobSF_94117

            Of course free speech was lost. He was unable to deliver his remarks because he was shouted down and heckled. The govt didn’t do it, but it was done on public property in a public venue at a public university.

          • Tulle Christensen

            by private citizens exercising their free speech it seems it went about as perfect as it could have

          • zhera

            *sigh*

            And where back to the beginning. I don’t have the patience for this. See my previos comments.

          • don

            Not to mention, a venue that doesn’t piss away $500K that could have been spent educating people about how incredibly fucked up Nazi philosophy is. Like a history class…

          • Bullshit. You have a right to speak. You don’t have a right to make me listen.

          • don

            So, people that want my non-white friends DEAD should be allowed to speak. Hell fucking no.

      • Tulle Christensen

        I currently live 60 miles from Gainesville, and no his cause took a hit, a big one, going by the local news

        • BobSF_94117

          In what sense did his cause take a hit?

          • Tulle Christensen

            Hardly any problems happened, he only had a few supporters, it showed how pathetic his movement is

            I got to see interviews on the local new of the people, the young students came across as smart and well spoken, the Nazi could hardly say anything without looking stupid and racist

            only one arrest, a few heated arguments

            I am proud of the students at my former school, they did good

      • zhera

        Free speech did not lose! He spoke, and so did a lot of other people. The University takes the cost of security.

        Where is the loss of free speech?

        • fiizok

          My point exactly.

        • BobSF_94117

          He did not speak freely. He was interrupted, jeered, heckled.

          • Tulle Christensen

            speaking freely and free speech are not the same thing. how did the government keep him from speaking?

          • don

            I’m curious, why the sympathy for Nazi scum?

          • BobSF_94117

            Obviously because they’re so adorable.

            I don’t get gay people who oppose free speech. Without free speech and being able to raise the idea that there’s nothing wrong with being gay, we’d all be in the closet, just like previous generations.

            It’s worth putting up with appalling things to guarantee the right to speak freely.

      • don

        Never too small, when Nazi fucks are the speakers.

  • djcoastermark

    I do like that the protesters inside the auditorium were also exercising their right to free speech.

    • another_steve

      Yes, me too.

      I’m opposed to the suppression of speech – however heinous I might consider the speech. As long as that didn’t happen here, I’m okay with the yelling and shouting.

      Free speech advocates must respect the right of Nazis to peacefully speak.

      If you don’t, you’re not a free speech advocate.

      • Grumpy Old Man

        Free speech does not include the right to shout “theater” in a crowded fire.

    • Nelson Kerr

      that is the way to handle this kind of vermin rioting and stopping them for speaking just helps their cause, Combat vile speech with more free speak

  • bambinoitaliano

    Base on Brian Turd Brown’s math, thousands show up for his speech.

  • FelineMama

    The University said they did NOT invite spencer, really. So anyone can just come on campus & speak. Anyone?? Really??!!
    Making the KKKKool Again. Yay.

    • TampaDink

      Yes. According to what I heard on NPR, the U.F. campus has that policy in place. They should have demanded that the nazi pay for the full cost of added security…he paid $10 grand….when the bill for added security has exceeded $500 grand.

      • Tulle Christensen

        This is the thing they should charge what it cost to rent out an on campus venue and that cost should include the cost of security

        • TampaDink

          The $10,000 would normally cover the cost of the rental of the venue & security…but nazi security is far more costly.

      • JWC

        Hello are we OK

        • TampaDink

          We are okay! Still being “yanked” around by the investor who backed out of our contract last Friday. At this point, we are not willing to go a penny below what we had agreed to.

          • JWC

            Nor should you

          • JWC

            Haven’t heard from you over the last week hope everything is OK?

      • netxtown

        An attending student arranged Spencer’s appearance there.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          Whatever happened to swallowing goldfish and stuffing a bunch of guys into a phonebooth?

      • EDinMCO

        They can’t, by law. (See my post above.)

    • Tulle Christensen

      Yes even when I went there 75-79 anyone could speak. we always had two or three street preachers on the quad every day

      • Snarky

        Brother Jeb! Sister Cindy the Disco Queen!

    • JWC

      is there not a hall rental or was it open air

      • Tulle Christensen

        he rented a hall but sadly they did not charge him the true cost

    • popebuck1

      That’s one of Spencer’s and Milo’s tactics, btw – they announce the event FIRST and only then bother to file for a permit. Then it’s a win-win situation – either they get the permit and get to appear, or they get to scream oppression if they’re denied.

  • HZ81

    You just know Richard has a dildo named Idris.

  • TampaDink

    I was listening to NPR earlier…Spencer agreed to pay $10,000 for security. The state of FL spent $500,000+. There were deputies brought in from the Tampa Bay area…which is 130+ miles from Gainesville.

    • Adam King

      That’s Governor Skeletor’s fault, wasting money trying to score RW political points by overreacting to their “antifa” strawman.

      • TampaDink

        This may be true….and I would never compliment “Rick the 5th”, I suspect that he was attempting to prevent another violent protest along the lines of what happened in Charlottesville, VA.

        • Jay George

          A lot of Floridians were really afraid it would turn into Charlottesville. It was kind of a no win situation where hiring security was concerned. If they didn’t hire enough and things went bad, it would be the university’s fault. I wouldn’t doubt that the Nazis were waiting to see how security issues played out before they decided what actions they would take. Granted it’s Florida and there was probably just as much “antifa” propaganda floating around as well. Ah body has no ideah whut maght happin when them niggrahs git riled up.”

          • Tulle Christensen

            the turnout for the Nazis was surprisingly small considering Gainesville is an island of blue surrounded by the most redneck part of the state

      • BobSF_94117

        Bingo!

  • teedofftaxpayer

    The universities have got to start charging all speakers for security. And I don’t mean a nominal fee, but what it actually cost for the security of the person speaking. If they’re controversial, as this speaker is, then they have to pay more. Whether it be the person who is speaking or their organization, someone else needs to pay and not the public nor the schools.

    • Outlaw Woman

      And how would that have worked during the Civil Rights era?

      • teedofftaxpayer

        I’m talking about speakers who are “invited” or appears in on stage. Obviously you can’t make a group of people meeting outside pay except by fines. This jerkwad cost the state and maybe the university $500,000 for security.

        • Tulle Christensen

          The state, Bat Boy declared an emergency thereby releasing state funds to cover the costs

          • teedofftaxpayer

            Still the taxpayers are paying for the security. Why shouldn’t his organization pay for it?

          • Tulle Christensen

            yes UF should have charge him 500K for use of the venue

          • don

            The 500K could have bought a few degrees, or paid med school for 2 doctors. what a goddamned WASTE the right wing is.

      • don

        Not very effective security, considering what happened to JFK, Evers, King, X…

    • EDinMCO

      They can’t. There’s actually a 1992 SCOTUS decision (Forsyth) that found charging increased security costs to controversial speakers was an unconstitutional restraint on free speech. The 5th Circuit (Sonnier v. Crain, 2011) then applied that precedent to speakers at public universities, exactly the situation at UF today.

  • Natty Enquirer

    This is how it’s supposed to work. Except for the punching. Assault is still a crime.

    • BobSF_94117

      Not exactly. The way it’s supposed to work is that he’s supposed to be able to deliver his speech. People in the audience might respond by booing and hissing, but they’re not supposed to shout him down and prevent him from speaking his stupid words.

      • Natty Enquirer

        What law restricts them? “Disorderly conduct”?

        • BobSF_94117

          It’s not a matter of law.

          • Adam King

            Exactly.

      • Tulle Christensen

        My dad did not go to England to fix airplanes in WWII so Nazis could speak here without being challenged

        Nazis have the right to speak and I have the right to shot them down

        • BobSF_94117

          Why do you use the word “challenged” when you mean shouted down or silenced?

          • Tulle Christensen

            Did you read my post?

            ” Nazis have the right to speak and I have the right to shot them down”

        • Dazzer

          My Dad spent the six years of WWII shooting at Nazis.

          Even though he understood and actively worked to make sure that we – his family – grew up understanding that definitely not all Germans are Nazis, he never shifted from the opinion that the best Nazis were dead Nazis.

          And if it was frowned upon to kill Nazis in the streets, it was entirely appropriate to shout, heckle and give them as difficult a time as possible.

          I’ve always held to that.

      • iambu

        Nope, sorry, this “giving everyone an equal platform” nonsense is toxic and will have longterm, detrimental effects on our discourse if we continue to refuse to be discerning. Nazis do not deserve any elevated platform in this country and that’s what Spencer was given. I’m not trying to be the Thought Police here, what I’m trying to say is that it’s myopic and sophomoric to approach all ideologies as if they have equal merit. The school allowed Spencer on a technicality but made their position clear. The students decided that his ideas had no place at their institution. These are young people learning how to navigate new ideas. Not all new ideas need a full test drive to determine whether they’re damaging or not. I applaud the actions of the students.

        • BobSF_94117

          Drowning out other ideas is the solution for people who don’t think their own ideas have more merit.

          • don

            Nazis have merit? Hmmm.

        • JAKvirginia

          But these weren’t new ideas. Same crap in a new wrapper. We fought a war and lost hundreds of thousands of Americans to rid ourselves of the ideas Spencer represents. And just FYI, if this were Germany he probably would not have been allowed to speak.

          • don

            Ironically, in Germany, Spencer and his scum would be in jail for waving Swastikas and talking Nazi shit!

          • iambu

            Well, yeah, the nazi ideas aren’t new. I meant more that, since the students are in college, they’re encountering ideas that might be new or different to them. Or even if they’re good students of history, they may be just now learning how to deal with the way those ideas are being enacted in a modern arena. I s’pose I could have been a little clearer about that. You’re probably right, though, my understanding is that Germany’s pretty…uh…embarrassed (understatement) about the nazis and would be very judicious about to whom they’d give this kind of platform.

        • don

          Isn’t the whole ‘freedom of speech’ freedom from GOVERNMENT interference? So, private citizens’ speech against Spencer and his scum is equally ‘free’, no?

    • Lumpy Gaga

      The punch was my first smile of the day. I was hoping it was from today’s events.

      • Natty Enquirer

        You know, if you wanted to make a reasoned argument that violence is justified because of some extreme circumstance, that’s one thing. But to respond with mere sadistic bravado only gets you to my block list.

        • Lumpy Gaga

          You don’t think Nazi rallies on a weekly basis is an extreme circumstance?

        • Silver Badger

          Remember, these people want you dead. Some times intolerance is justified.

          • don

            Trouble is, it gives them an excuse to ‘stand their ground’. Don’t get me wrong, I despise the nazi scum and the entire ‘right’ wing, but I think punching them plays right into their ‘victim’ narrative.

  • Max_1

    I just don’t get America, sometimes…

    … It venerates the treason and sedition of the Confederacy.
    … It refuses to label the KKK a terrorist organization.
    … It gives platforms for Nazi’s to spread their authoritarian oppression.

    • Cattleya1

      There is a significant plurality of Americans who are grieved that it isn’t the ‘White People’s States of America’. They have mostly been hidden under wet rocks until the rethugs welcomed them into their big tent. 45 encouraged them to come out and spew their awful hate speech. I actually found 43’s speech reported today to be a breath of fresh air. Mainstream republicans are going to have to do what he said and rethink the direction the party took off on starting with Noot Gingrich.

      • don

        Personally I think it started with Nixon..but I’m getting older.

        • Cattleya1

          You are right there – Nixon deliberately brought the Dixiecrats into the GOP, but they still didn’t publicly spew their hatred until Noot provided them with an example.

    • MBear

      And this shows us murrikkka is just fine with all of it

      • don

        Yes. Serial racist and sexual abuser in the White House, unending wars for no reason but ‘we can’… I’m not optimistic for the future of the USA. Too much like Rome, without the class.

  • JT

    Poor Richard’s Small Dick Knack.

  • DaveMiller135

    I know that the Left is growing tired of being beaten by “the end justifies the means” conservatives, but I think a better choice than roughing up non-violent Nazis, would be to not go to the speech, or stand silently outside, and let him speak to his 15 followers in a 1700 seat auditorium.

    I continue to believe that History is written in the numbers, which American Nazis don’t have. But, hey, I thought Trump would be a footnote, when it turns out that people who were planning to vote for him were just too embarrassed to admit it to pollsters.

    • Gerry Fisher

      I like the “stand silently” idea. Backs turned to the speakers or the path being used by the speakers.

      • JAKvirginia

        Or a mass walkout about 2 minutes in.

    • Booth Pohlmann

      There is no such animal as a non violent Nazi.

      • DaveMiller135

        The guy who got punched is not described as having done anything but walk through the crowd of protesters. I’m not describing him globally.

  • Lawerence Collins

    Was there not enough protest porn to make the corporate media masters happy?!?

    • Snarky

      Yes, blame this event on the media… /s

      • Lawerence Collins

        What the Fcuk are you going on about?
        Are you aware that many important stories don’t get any coverage, because there’s no action or violence!

        http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/10/voter-suppression-wisconsin-election-2016/

        • Snarky

          Considering there was “not enough protest porn” today on the UF campus AND the story is being covered everywhere, that kind of deflates your argument.

          Also, the link is a Mother Jones story about voter suppression. It’s not about media coverage varying based on how violent the story or visuals are. So I’m not sure of your point. Unless you’re trying to say it’s an example of a story that wasn’t covered because it’s not sensational enough.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    His hands so delicate, his hips so wide.

    Do you think there’s something he’s trying to hide?

    • netxtown

      probably some fresh santorum….

  • Lumpy Gaga

    When UFl is filling the front rows for Richard Spencer, they’re not sending their best.

  • Lumpy Gaga

    Herr Muttonchops is taking it on the chin, but his head delivers a two-fer.

    The Cubs can only DREAM of this kind of magic.

    • Thorn Spike

      Back in Dickens’ day, those chops were referred to as “bugger-grips.”

  • Uncle Mark

    Goddam…what a torrent of whiny, privileged, expensive, little white Christianista snowflakes have been unleashed. If we let all of them speak, how can we hear ourselves think over the din?:

    “Waaaa….I’m an uneducated white Nazi, who hates seeing people of color on my street. I’m oppressed and denied my free speech…even though it’s costing a university $500,000 so I can express my offensive, yet oppressed speech.”

    “Waaa…The checkout girl wished me ‘Happy Holidays’ oppressing my right to have a Merry Christmas….and the coffee shop doesn’t even have Christmas images on their cups, even though most Christmas symbols have nothing to do with Jesus.”

    “Waaaa….I have to work with the gay man in the office and that brown woman, too. Why do I have to be work with or be civil to people I choose not to like? I’m being oppressed.”

    ….and the hits keep on coming….

    • djcoastermark

      That sounds like I country I don’t want to live in. Oh, I do. ugh.

    • Barry William Teske

      Thank you.

  • Max_1
    • Lumpy Gaga

      Hey there, Joe. How ya doin’?

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Joe doesn’t overdress for submarine work…. or bartending.

  • justmeeeee

    Damn, the guvner wanted to use the state of emergency to round up some brown folks. Wasted opportunity!!

  • ByronK

    If any government was going for genetic superiority, they should start by sterilizing the people in the first two rows.

  • Lazycrockett
    • zhera

      I wonder where that shirt was made.

      • Max_1

        In his mom’s basement…

        • LesbianTippingHabits


          Or by a t-shirt company that does not discriminate.

          • Dazzer

            How do you know whether or not the t-shirt company discriminates?

          • LesbianTippingHabits


            I don’t. I was merely responding to zhera’s observation, taking into account the larger context.

            Key is that a t-shirt company that reserves the right to discriminate might very well decline to make a t-shirt with swastikas. Or, a neo-nazi-owned t-shirt company might have no problem with the order.

            Key is that a policy of non-discrimination necessarily protects everyone, including those you don’t like or don’t agree with.

            Thank you.

        • iambu

          She ironed on the decals herself so he wouldn’t singe his little nazi fingers. I mean, they just cry so easy…

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Cafe Kristallnacht.

    • don

      Oh look, the ‘Master Race’

  • bkmn

    Fuck the Nazis – but be sure to wear a condom

  • blackstar
    • zhera

      And he’s being guarded by black police men. Will he ever see the irony?

      • FAEN

        No. No he won’t.

    • don

      Good. Free speech works BOTH ways, Nazi scum.

  • Henry Auvil

    Just slightly off-topic dispatch from the insane State of Florida: Lately I’ve been accompanying my step-dad to daily radiation treatments for prostate cancer in Lakeland, FL. After today’s session, he wanted to have lunch at Chick Fil-A, (not my choice, but I didn’t want to be negative). After we ate and were about to leave, the door opened and in walked Governor Rick Scott (AKA Nesferatu). He looked me straight in the eye, but didn’t make any gesture of greeting or acknowledgment. I know it was him because he was followed by a bodyguard and a couple of texting aides. He headed straight for the bathroom. Two minutes later they left and got back into the SUVs. No purchase or interaction with the staff. Governor Bat Boy needed to pee.

    • blackstar

      He looks more like a snake than a Bat ..even talks like one!

    • netxtown

      or he sucked off the bodyguard….

    • Tulle Christensen

      peeing is a constitutional right in Florida

      • Henry Auvil

        So is being an asshole.

        • Tulle Christensen

          no really I am serious,

          you cannot charge to use a restroom in the state there are no pay toilets in the state

          • Henry Auvil

            I wasn’t suggesting that he be charged for using the restroom. But it seems to me that a skilled politician, one with integrity or a sense of responsibility and gratitude to his constituents, would have at least introduced himself to the staff and management, thanked them and displayed a modicum of grace. Especially in the epicenter of Republican central Florida, and running for the US Senate. He came off as a creep to the few people who even recognized him.

          • Tulle Christensen

            he has none of the qualities you mentioned except the creep one

          • Hank

            Expectations of Skeletor are as low for him to do ANYTHING for the people of our state as it is for Herr Drumpf to do anything for the people (unless Drumpf benefits). Why else, with such a large population, under employed and lacking healthcare, would he NOT even consider accepting Medicaid expansion under the ACA!!! Even Kasich of Ohio did that for his people!!!

          • JAKvirginia

            I just hope he washed his hands.

          • DavidAZ

            But you’re required to do a wide stance. With or without luggage.

          • stuckinthewoods

            Does that mean FL has a standing/sitting your ground law?

      • juanjo54

        well, with all those retired people, it is not surprising.

        I still remember back when I was a young man still in school and working nights at O’Hare Airport. Richard J Daley banned pay toilets in Chicago and some Christian preacher was complaining that now the homosexuals would all be having sex in the stalls. Not sure why he thought that homosexuals did not have dimes.

    • LesbianTippingHabits


      Did Florida Governor Rick Scott (R) at least leave a tip?

      • stevenj

        Rick “Medicare Fraud” Scott? I sense a lousy tipper.

        Also, I bet he splattered tinkle around the urinal in the men’s room.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Was the governator being dragged along by an inpatient cartoon bladder?

      https://oldspouse.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/gotta-pee.jpg

      • kareemachan

        You know, the thought of eyes on a bladder REALLy creeps me out.

        • don

          Your health care $$ at work…those stupid fucking ads…

    • RaygunsGoZap

      And you couldn’t even muster: the great thing about calling you a piece of shit to your face is that the message can’t be deleted

    • justme

      Na ,,,Just checking the writing on the wall…

    • Jukesgrrl

      Chick Fil-A: At least he inconveniences his own kind. PS: Nice of you to help your step-dad.

  • LesbianTippingHabits


    And so, for only $10K, Richard Spencer etc. get lots of free publicity.

    • don

      Not free when $500K of public money was spent making sure the little shit didn’t get his fee fee’s hurt.

  • Just yesterday I read a news item that FSU wasn’t going to allow reporters inside the event. I am glad to see that they changed their minds (or that story wasn’t true).

    As someone who (as far as I know) is completely of European descent (I haven’t done the DNA test and maybe there’ll be a surprise…I’m okay with whatever it says) I would like to say the Spencer and his white trash followers do not represent me. I love my Swedish, German, English and Dutch ancestry and have enjoyed visiting those countries and sometimes even visiting the villages where my ancestors lived. None of that makes me better than anyone else. I strongly recommend anyone interested to do the same no matter where their ancestors are from. It’s an interesting way to view history, not from the perspective of kings and political leaders but regular people who worked and lived in earlier times. You can be proud of your own heritage without hating others’. Intelligent people know that.

    • Tor

      I have a similar genetic heritage as you. My first cousin recently had a DNA test done, and they identified some Mongolian and Neanderthal heritage. No one is as white as they think they are.

  • kelven

    We do not owe civility to people who advocate for our destruction no matter how polite they are in advocating it. Nazis and Christianists want the law to protect them while they try to undermine the very rule of law that allows them to spew their ideas in the first place.

  • Dagoril

    It’s kind of them to all wear the same douche uniform. Makes it easier to know who to punch.

    • Tulle Christensen

      pretty sure it is the same as Trumps golfing outfit

      • Karl Dubhe

        My, what a strange coinkidink…

      • JAKvirginia

        You mean something from the FatAss Collection? With the little pig symbol on the left chest?

  • aagold76 .

    I hope people ID the Spencer Supporters and out them to the public. Can’t stop them from speaking- but we can pressure some companies into firing these idiots!

  • CharlestonDave

    “Spencer seemed to revel in the attention.”

    And there you have it.

  • Jukesgrrl

    He just needs to get a little grayer and a lot fatter and he’ll be the perfect senator for Mississippi.

  • JCF

    “NONAZISATUF”

    Oy, graphic DESIGN, folks! [At least use different colors, to separate words? Seriously, using two colors would have made world of difference]

  • Max_1
  • JCF
    • Friday

      Same as the old one. Did you miss the late 80’s?

    • don

      Ironic, how such a poor example of the male form, tRump, is so quick to harshly judge female beauty

  • MonochromeMouse

    The fact that this kind of thing can go off without violence shows how far this country has fallen, any other country would have arrested the nazis at the fucking door or the citizens would have beat the shit out of the people showing up to attend it.

    • David Gervais

      That this went off without violence from the protesters shows that Civil Society still exists, at least for us.

      (i.e. We’re better than them.) /s

  • Friday

    Here’s me sitting in my garage, ciggy and beer in my left hand, right hand clicking on this, everything in between wanting to shriek this one out: 🙂

    (Punk’s not dead, but it’s possible Pailhead *completed* it. 🙂 )

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh9Gu_-x4a0

  • Stubenville

    I have a simple, crude solution to stop this; tell controversial speakers that they’re on their own. There will be no police on hand. If they want to risk being torn apart by an angry mob, go for it.

    • David Gervais

      I think that would open the owners or operators of any location to civil lawsuits in many ways. I don’t know enough to say what types of lawsuits, but I’m sure it would happen.

      • Stubenville

        You may be right. But if you go to an industrial site in a bad neighborhood and get assaulted, is it the responsibility of the land owner?

        • David Gervais

          Not a fair equivalence. However, if someone rented you a building with services included, one of which was security in a bad neighbourhood, if you are assaulted because the owner did not provide adequate security, then you do have a reason to complain.

  • Barry William Teske

    Oh look!
    Let HATE speak.
    Publicly.
    Openly.
    Candidly.
    With reason, if it dares.
    Othering HATE has, and is what allowed this resurgent ‘non-ideological’ threat to come fastly un-noticed, un-checked, and un-expected for its latest soothe-players.
    (I was so very wrong, when in an unhearing, angered state, I said I was content with HATE melting back into the shadows and cracks of its existence.)
    Humanity now knows some more about how the ‘movement’ went, yet again, about becoming a mainstream, acceptable voice, despite a vast historical to modern trove of documenting of factual reasons proving it to be otherwise.
    WE can call it out with pride and certainty, and yes, especially fear, each and everytime it re-invites itself.
    WE must not kid ourselves.
    HATE and its servants are not done.
    Probably will never be done.
    Nature of the beast as they say.
    So welcome, to our human ‘race’ HATE.
    WE see you.
    Because.
    Guess what?
    You bleed too.

  • John Calendo

    This pious advocacy of “free speech” is quite touching. Free speech is the first thing the Nazis and White Supremacists will take away.