White House Insiders And Top GOP Figures Worry That Losing House In Midterms Will Mean Impeachment

CNN reports:

Top White House aides, lawmakers, donors and political consultants are privately asking whether President Donald Trump realizes that losing the House next year could put his presidency in peril. In more than a dozen interviews, Republicans inside and outside the White House told CNN conversations are ramping up behind the scenes about whether Trump fully grasps that his feuds with members of his own party and shortage of legislative achievements could soon put the fate of his presidency at risk.

Donors who trekked to Jackson Hole, Wyoming, in support of House Speaker Paul Ryan were treated to a slide show late this summer to fundraise off those very fears, according to multiple attendees. Among the slides: An overview of the Democrats who would be tapped to lead key committees if the GOP loses control, including Rep. Elijah Cummings as the head of the House Oversight Committee.

A number of Republicans asked not to have their names used in order to speak candidly about a sensitive topic. If we lose the House, he could get impeached. Do you think he understands that?” one top GOP donor recalled an exasperated Republican senator saying privately. “Won’t it be ironic that Steve Bannon helped get the President elected and impeached?” another top Republican official said in a moment of venting.

Democrats currently hold 194 House seats, 218 are needed to win the gavel.

  • Tawreos

    My dreams are their fears =)

    • Nic Peterson

      Dream BIG!

      • safari

        Bigly.

        • Ken M

          HUUUUUUUUUGE

    • Todd20036

      You’re talking about your sexual fantasies, aren’t you?

  • JWC

    Sweat you smarmy bastards The chickens are all coming home to roost

  • Gustav2

    Democrats should not talk about impeachment, that’s what the Republicans want us to talk about. The general public doesn’t like that and it is a pipe dream.

    TALK ABOUT POLICY.

    • David J

      Yes !

      • kareemachan

        Both.

        • Adam King

          Yes. Converge on resistance from many directions.

        • Gustav2

          D’s will not win the Midwest with impeachment talk, all that does is tell the moderates/independents they were stupid to vote for the guy in the first place.

          While it may be true they were stupid, if you tell them that, it will strengthen their tribal loyalty.

          • JAM661

            This is why it is important to have people go door to door to campaign so they can get people to talk about what makes their candidates better then who they are running against. Right now the Democrats are getting a lot of local people who are well established and we’ll liked in their community. Just everyday people who are stepping up for state elections to school board. We have lost so many elections in the past 8 years because we got complacent and did not get our asses out to support Obama. Next time a Tea party type group shows up trying to stop Democrat policies we must have conter protests. The Tea party was not that big but had a big influence that could have been shut down. But instead we just went on our lives and said well it is someone else’s problems. WHILE NOW THEY ARE OUR BIG PROBLEMS. While I still do not know how great the party is doing local communities are stepping up and running their own campaigns with the help of indivisible groups and other left leaning support systems we may not have the billion to put into the campaign but we have the people who can do more then money can by volunteering for someone running in you community. If we want to win then we need to support in every way we can. The Democrats can also make impeachment preceding last until the next presidential election and shut down his agenda in the process. .

    • Daveed_WOW

      Dems aren’t talking about it. Pubs are. They are highly manipulative because they know their base is deeply emotional and profoundly stupid.

      • Leo

        Well, most elected Dems aren’t. The progressive base is hungry for it. There’s a difference.

        • Daveed_WOW

          Notice, however, that it’s the Republicans who brought it up as a subject. In any case, I’m far beyond caring with the Right thinks about anything. As you were πŸ™‚

    • Todd20036

      You know, the republicans should be impeaching him, and they aren’t. That alone tells me that the GOP is dead and gone, and all that’s left is a snake’s nest of Nazis.

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    • band

      Yes, definitely. At least for now.

      But I suspect Mueller will try to wrap up his investigation by next summer. If that happens, and his report is explosive (on the subject of Russian interference, collusion by Team Trump, OR shady business dealings by Trump, or some combination of the three), impeachment will suddenly be Topic A in the national discussion, and there will be no way to avoid having the midterms become a national referendum on impeaching Trump. Nothing else will matter, certainly not who the House and Senate candidates are or what they’ve been campaigning on.

      • Gustav2

        Let the media do the dirty work and D’s should just look like saviors of democracy.

    • Tatonka

      As fair as I can tell, their only strategy is to say nothing at all and let Trump besmirch himself. There’s a certain amount of logic to that, but election after election has shown that it’s not enough just to let the GOP shit the bed. Democrats have to show they can do better.

      • Cipher

        Repeat of the strategy that did not work for the better Presidential candidate. A mistake…

  • safari

    If he’s done nothing wrong, then there is nothing to fear.

    • bkmn

      Precisely, unlike the GOP, Dems do not threaten impeachment without a very good reason.

  • Lazycrockett

    Party over country should be the GOP’s new slogan. Oh wait it already is.

    • FAEN

      Hasn’t that been the case since at least 2001?

      • MaryJOGrady

        1980.

        • Phillip in L.A.

          Thank goodness you are around, MaryJOGrady–otherwise these dang kids would forget that the world existed before the Digital Age and the interwebz! :-}

          • greenmanTN

            The internet is a series of tubes you know….

          • McSwagg

            If your connection to the web is through a fiber optics line, it literally is a bundle of tubes.

          • MaryJOGrady

            Thank you so much. You are a great favorite of mine. (Part of my e-mail signature is a quotation from Oliver Goldsmith’s “She Stoops to Conquer”:
            β€œI love everything that is old; old friends, old times, old manners, old books, old wines.”)

          • Phillip in L.A.

            Thank you, MaryJOGrady, that is really nice, and I appreciate it! πŸ™‚

            Haven’t yet read She Stoops to Conquer, but I will, shortly. From the synopsis, it sounds like “if Fielding had written Middlemarch“–which appeals to me greatly!

          • MaryJOGrady

            It’s quite a hilarious play.

        • Nowhereman

          Nixon. Southern Strategy.

          • MaryJOGrady

            True. Party over country antedated the wretched St. Ronnie.

        • JCF

          1964. See re “Southern Strategy”.

      • Adam King

        Way before that. Recall Reagan’s “11th commandment”–“thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican.” (Not that Republicans have ever been capable of following such a rule.) Reagan and his ilk were the nastiest of partisans.

  • Randy503

    Good. We lost because Clinton wasn’t pure enough for many voters. (Grrrrr.) May Trump lose because Bannon thinks he isn’t pure enough either.

    • Ross

      We did not lose.

      We were robbed.

    • JWC

      The fickle voters The worst of them all were the anti blue only because they had the ridiculous excuse that they didn’t like Hillary because,,,,,, and never had a reason YouVote for the candidtate for the job not the person

    • MonochromeMouse

      Clinton WON the election, the republicans cheated with the bullshit electoral college like they always do.

  • Talisman

    Both the House and the Senate would have to flip, and the Democrats would have to grow some balls.

    • fuow

      And we’d have to vote. The horror of it all.

      • Ninja0980

        Even if the candidate isn’t 100% pure?

        • greenmanTN

          If a candidate isnt good enough for the cashier at Whole Foods he or she isn’t good enough for me!

        • fuow

          Yup. Even for a candidate as flawed as Hillary or Bernie.

      • Nowhereman

        I’ve voted every damn time since 1972. It would be nice to win a few.

        • fuow

          Me, too – yes, it would be nice to win. Sheesh.

    • ben-andy

      So, Impeachment is a two-step process, similar to a Grand Jury issuing an indictment and then the trial. “Impeachment” is where the House votes by a simple majority to impeach. That is what happened to Bill Clinton and also to Andrew Johnson. This is not really a very difficult number to get to as the House is usually not very close to evenly split and impeachment is usually a very partisan process.

      Step two is the TRIAL part, held in the Senate. The House provides the prosecution team. Yes, the HOUSE is acting as the State. The accused gets to present a defense including calling witnesses and cross examining witnesses for the prosecution. Then the Senate acts as the JURY and votes. It takes a 2/3 majority to convict. That is 67 Senators, generally. That is a VERY high threshold. No US President has ever been removed from office by the impeachment process. It is felt that R. Milhouse Nixon would have been, but it was not done. He wasn’t even impeached [the full House had not yet voted, the House Judiciary Cmte had voted and passed articles of impeachment], he simply resigned to avoid it so they didn’t have Dick Nixon to kick around anymore.

      At the time of the writing of the constitution, Ben Franklin observed that the customary way to remove an odious executive from government was assassination. He felt impeachment was a less repugnant alternative. There have been exactly 19 impeachments in US history. It is called “acquittal” when the charges of the House are not approved by the Senate. Of the 19, 7 were acquitted though one of those had already resigned. Of the remaining 12, 4 resigned or otherwise left office and the charges were dismissed [the very first, a senator from TN in 1797 was removed by the Senate administratively but not convicted]. Of the 8 that were Removed from Office, only 3 were disqualified from holding that office again. So, the net effect of these 19 cases is that 6 remained in office after the dust settled, 13 were not in office after the dust settled but 3 of them could “run again”.

      I didn’t find a count of how many times the House has voted on articles of impeachment but failed to pass them, probably quite a few. I mean, look at how many times the House has voted to repeal Obamacare. Johnson was nearly convicted [failing by ONE vote in the Senate] for firing Lincoln’s Secretary of War, Edwin Stanton. Congress had passed a law saying that the President could not FIRE a cabinet official w/o the approval of the Senate. Johnson vetoed it. The congress overturned his veto and then Johnson fired Stanton anyway. Hmmmm, I wonder if that law is still on the books? No, repealed in 1887. But it could come back. If Herr Drumpf were to fire Jeff Sessions, that might be grounds right there. Strangely enough, Jeffy Sessions is actually rather popular in the Senate.

      • In the event of a trial, what would Senator Diane Feinstein’s role be as Senior Democratic member on the Judiciary Committee – if any? Would she have a formal role? This assumes the Republicans control the Senate if their is a trial. I thought that the Judiciary committee members would serve somehow as “legal representatives” for either side but I see I am wrong here.

  • Lazycrockett

    “Oh a slide show let my cut that check.” No reasonable donor said, ever.

  • MikeBx2

    So they’re admitting there is reason to impeach and it’s only those who put party over country preventing it.

    • Todd20036

      That’s how I see it.

  • hdtex
  • Leo

    Studies have been done and I don’t have the patience to find the links to them but taking back the House is not happening due to gerrymandering. Keeping the Senate is the only realistic hope this cycle, point blank.

    You cannot change demographic apathy on the part of millennials and voters of color that the Dems need for turn-out overnight.

    • Gustav2

      Charles Cook has now predicted a 50/50 chance even with the gerrymandering. D’s have to contest every possible seat and at least get the D platform out there in all 50.

      • Leo

        I want to be optimistic, I do, but time and resources are too limited and Cook’s not been consistent. Bernie’s 50 state strategy is not a smart tack this go around at all. The time and money needs to be directed towards the Senate only as both Houses are too much to chew for the Democratic infrastructure and it will not work. If MoveOn and Indivisible want to chase that pipe dream they’re welcome to it.

        • Gustav2

          The mid-terms are a way to get the message out. If the folks don’t hear it, by 2020 all we will get from the electorate is “But what do Democrats stand for?” and Republicans telling them.

          • Leo

            Fine, get the message out and work on getting back the Senate. The achievables. Too many prog’s are hammering on getting back the House. Obviously the effort needs to be made for everything but forgive me for playing devil’s advocate. The left’s gonna be wringing their hands about losing the House and yet again like a broken record asking what was done wrong.

            I’m personally sick of this “what do Dems stand for” B.S. The messaging’s been out there and there aren’t enough voters willing to listen. Exhibit A is the PRRI/Atlantic study of 3,300 voters ripping that notion to shreds. It’s racial resentment. It’s cultural displacement. The implication that rights for minorities and jobs for the WWC have to mutually exclusive is just infuriating to me.

          • Gustav2

            We can skim off some of them:

            Trump job promises ringing hollow in Mahoning Valley

            http://www.dispatch.com/news/20170730/trump-job-promises-ringing-hollow-in-mahoning-valley

  • Ken M

    What a brilliant marketing tool. Vote for us or else.

    • Gustav2

      Fear works for Republicans.

      • Todd20036

        Not much else does

    • DreadPikathulhu

      It’s a reversal of their strategy during Obama’s years; vote for us and we’ll impeach the ni***r!

      • Ken M

        Gratefully didn’t work then. But the “at least it’s not Hillary” attitude won’t work in 2018. I so hated that argument.

  • anne marie in philly

    “White House Insiders And Top GOP Figures Worry That Losing House In Midterms Will Mean Impeachment” – they say that like it’s a bad thing. bwhahahahahaha! I think impeachment will come before next november.

  • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

    In this instance, I’ll vote for a Democrat unequivocally, provided they’ve a demonstrable track record of being a real progressive and NOT a blue dog.

    • joe ho

      lol. Ah! the self-destructive purity brigade.

      Why Dems can’t count on you when the going gets tough. They’re the only way you’ll get any of your agenda accomplished. When you sabotage them, you set back your goals 30 years.

      In general elections it’s vote blue no matter who.

    • Are these the Blue Dogs? Members of the “blue dog” Democratic House Coalition? There are 18 of them.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_Blue_Dog_Coalition

  • glimsong

    So in other words, they aren’t going to impeach him no matter what he does? That’s what my read of this is. That the Republicans are saying they won’t impeach him ever….(even though we knew this, this is a pretty stark admission).

  • Yeah, but how many spines would be necessary to move impeachment proceedings forward?

  • Ken M
    • FAEN

      Howdy Doody looks better with a little scruff but he’s still and always will be a slimy bastard.

      • Ken M

        No one would recognize him. πŸ˜‰

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      He is in need of a different job.

      • Ken M

        No argument from me there.

    • Adam King

      His head would look better mounted on a pike.

    • Rex

      Nothing is gonna help, his ugly is on the inside.

    • clay

      Trump won’t allow it.

    • charemor

      He also needs some wrinkle remover.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Gee, ya think ??

  • Do Something Nice

    Don’t get your hopes up. Democrats have a lot to learn about creating good messages and communication. And sincerity too.

    There still is NO healthcare plan for coming from them. A handful have signed onto ‘single payer’ but the party leaders (Pelosi and Feinstein) both say nope.

    Most of us thinking people will vote against Republicans and Trump. But for the masses, they need a reason to vote for something.

    • Pelosi is the reason I have health insurance now. She is the one who shepherded Obamacare through the House when she was Speaker. As imperfect as it is, it is better than nothing.
      The Democratic Party does have a message on health care. Right now, it is to protect the ACA — which is far from perfect — from destruction.
      Single Payer is coming, but we need to win the White House, Congress and have a compliant SCOTUS to make it happen.
      More and more Democratic Party leaders are calling for Single Payer. There is an article in the Atlantic about this — read here https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/healthcare-congress-bernie-sanders-single-payer-obamacare/533595/

  • Anastasia Beaverhousen

    Oh, the smell of desperation and regret on a fall day.

  • justme

    If they are saying this now..Then they are afraid something is going to hit the fan…

  • Sam_Handwich

    I think Ryan’s short-term political future is much more at risk than Dotard’s.

    • Lazycrockett

      Ryan seems totally clueless as to what the fuck is going on around him.

  • Leo

    OT. With a right hook and K.O. on Nunes comes Fusion, pleading the 5th. https://twitter.com/RawStory/status/919959674237177857

    • Ken M

      Pleading the 5th may raise more eyebrows. It won’t find him guilty of anything though.

    • The_Wretched

      The firm is a UK one. And wasn’t Nunes supposed to recuse himself from Trumprussia after his weird whitehouse weekend?

      • Nowhereman

        Yes. And ever since then, he’s been pulling stunts like this. I think it’s Paul Ryan who is supposed to smack him down for it, but he can’t be bothered.

  • Ross

    Silly Republicans!

    Why are they worried about 2018?

    All they need do is steal another election!

  • Talisman

    Remember, impeachment means diddly-squat. That only means the House is bringing charges against the President. The Senate votes on whether the charges warrant removal from office (and can add further sanctions to prevent the accused of ever holding elected office again). Any criminal proceedings are separate.

    • Natty Enquirer

      And that’s why everyone forgot about the impeachment of Bill Clinton and swept Al Gore into office in 2000.

      • Talisman

        Another stolen election. SCOTUS put the shrub in office. There’s sufficient evidence that Gore won FL.

    • Joe in PA

      oops, didn’t read far enough down in the comments.

      Exactly.

    • BartmanLA

      While that is true, I suspect that if the GOP loses the House and even some seats in the Senate, and they start beating the drums for Impeachment, Trump will probably over react and make all kinds of threats and attempts at making his presidency a dictatorship forcing even the GOP members to finally and ultimately remove him to protect not only themselves but the rest of the country as well. I just hope it doesn’t get too much worse before that can transpire.

  • JWC

    O/T 40 years ago Anita Bryant was “Pied” never gets old

  • Phillip in L.A.

    Goddamn right!

  • Ninja0980

    May their fears become reality.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
    • Elsewhere1010

      Sad part is she wouldn’t be the craziest person in Congress. Maybe in the top, 25, but not the craziest.

    • Rex

      Easier to believe than tax cuts for the rich will boost the economy.

  • MikeBx2

    GOP is gearing up to make 2018 a hellish fight with a take no prisoners attitude. Meanwhile, Dem leaders are worrying about overdoing it. Ugh!

  • Elsewhere1010

    You think?

  • Rex

    I had a dream, a dream about you baby,
    It’s gonna come true baby, I hope that they’re through, but baby,
    They gotta lose the house in 2018, baby…

    • ByronK

      Everything’s coming up roses and impeachment

  • skyweaver

    They are “privately asking whether President Donald Trump realizes that losing the House next year could put his presidency in peril”? Trump barely realizes anything about anything. Trump is only concerned with what is in front of him, and even the stuff in front of him he is clueless about

    • Halou

      He genuinely thought the Paris climate accord was made for the benefit of Paris, not realising it only has that name because that is where it was signed by pretty much every nation on earth, an almost unheard of level of global cooperation.

      The only other time I can think of where there was such universal agreement is back in the 1940s when the question was “Are Nazis bad guys?” and everybody said yes, they really are. A shame, then, that we have gone backwards, can’t even decide if Nazis are bad people or good people let alone deciding whether or not life on this planet needs to be saved.

      • StillALiberal

        Except that the Nazis had more allies worldwide than Trump does on the Paris Accord.

  • Joe in PA

    First, we have to wait till THEN?

    Second, even if that happened, he might get impeached but the Senate has to flip as well to get him convicted. Sigh.

  • shellback

    What a fucking mess we’re in. Time to take a walk in the desert.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      I suggest hallucinogens as an aperitif, before the desert-walk.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      With some Peyote, you forgot the Peyote.

  • bkmn

    And Trump is going to keep on fucking that chicken and every time he does we get that much closer.

    What this means is that they know they need to pass their tax bill ASAP.

    https://youtu.be/X7XbukdoGmM

    • whollyfool

      I needed to see that again. πŸ˜€

  • OdieDenCO

    it is disgraceful that the gop’s only concern is the loss of control. A party that truly put the good of the country first would have advice the usurper that his disregard of the rule of law would lead to impeachment. ITMFMA!

  • Jeffg166

    I hope they at least win the house. If they don’t we are so screwed.

  • andrew

    If the 2018 elections for Congress can be framed as a national referendum on whether Trump stays or goes, the Democrats may just be able to get control of both Houses of Congress.

    • The_Wretched

      No, we already know it’s not enough to say “we’re not Trump.” There has to be an affirmative message – a reason to vote FOR not just a ‘could you please vote against’.

      • andrew

        Of course the national referendum would not just be “we’re not Trump.” It would be highlighting all the major issues that the national Democratic Party favors and that Trump opposes and highlighting the things that he has done to hurt average Americans that the Democrats, with whatever powers they have as a Congress, will undo when we retake control of the Congress.

    • The House perhaps, although as others have pointed out, it will take a completely unified Democratic Party — turning out for incumbents who may be too “centrist” for some. Left wing Democrats will also primary sitting centrist Democrats draining valuable energy and funds. In the Senate, Democrats need to defend 25 seats (including Bernie Sanders and Angus King) and Republicans only 8 seats. It will be a huge win for Democrats to hold the seats they have —– defending seats in red states like Missouri, Indiana, West Virginia, North Dakota, and swing states like Florida is not going to be easy. Expect the Green Party and perhaps other leftist parties to find donations and social media support coming out of the woodworks (Russia and Steve Bannon) when challenging Democrats in competitive House and Senate races — further helping Republican candidates.

  • Halou

    I don’t think Trump does know that. He is fixed in his deranged belief that everybody in America loves him, that any media institution to say so much as a word of criticism against him is causing viewers flee in their hundreds of thousands. Whether it is the “failing” New York Times, the “low ratings” Emmys, the NBC, NFL, CNN, etc…

    Whenever, as rare as it may be, he does realise that people are not lining up behind him to express their adoration and unwavering support he will be adamant that it is because there just isn’t enough Trump, things will turn around if he just behaves more like himself than he already does.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    I don’t think the GOP needs to worry. If comments here and elsewhere are any indication, the left and far left are on track to repeat 2016. The Republicans can rest their weary heads and not worry.

    I hoped I could, at this juncture, state it was otherwise…but that would be lying.

    • Agreed Don’t forget all the behind-the-scenes help by Russian money, computer hackers, Wikileaks, and right-wing American money strategically placed in fomenting discord within the opposition to Trump here. It is starting now — money and effort spent “primarying” a sitting Democrat House or Senate member would best be spent challenging sitting Republicans or fighting for open seats.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        You got that right. I have zero doubt that calls have been made to Macedonian trolls, in fact, it would not surprise me if they’re involving NK. Russia and the Republicans know that Dems are screwed so long as they can convince the left of whatever they need to. Sadly, the left is gullible and falls for it time and time again. Hell, they believed all the lies about Hillary easily enough and it garnered them the WH. The right is playing a different game while Dems and their supposedly natural allies are still arguing over the rules. It does not bode well.

        • Phillip in L.A.

          Jean-Marc, this has been going on in the U.S. for nigh on 50 years (at least); the pendulum swings back and forth.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            That’s the problem, it’s like the U.S. has an aversion to balance…it’s either Sith or Jedi.

          • Tempus Fuggit

            Except it stopped being a pendulum right around Reagan; since then it’s been an increasingly violent tug-of-war over a pit of fuming nitric acid.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            C’mon–one word: Obergefell

          • Tempus Fuggit

            That’s more a name than a word, and it doesn’t demonstrate your point or mine.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            If it’s difficult for you to comprehend what that single word signalizes, then any further explanation on my part very likely would be expletory.

          • Tempus Fuggit

            No difficulty in comprehension here. Study up on why single data points don’t (can’t) demonstrate trends.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            It is NOT a single data point–that is what you don’t/can’t/won’t grok!

            Obergefell incorporates, consolidates, and builds on gains made in other cases, such as Lawrence v. Texas (2003) (reversing Bowers v. Hardwicke [1986]); it also represents the culmination of a series of data points in many different fields–not just law.

            Obergefell also constitutes a novel base-line and/or benchmark for an entirely new series of data points!

      • Phillip in L.A.

        “It’s in the air/
        Super still/
        The calm before/
        The hunter kill/
        The sky will crack/
        The earth might split/
        I feel a dread/
        In my stomach pit./

        “It’s about to happen/
        It’s about to show/
        Can you feel it tighten?/
        Can you feel it grow?”

        Siouxsie–“About to Happen” (Sioux/Noko/Jones/Evans), from her 2007 album “Mantaray”
        https://youtu.be/eACOILQAkiE

  • clay

    “Top White House aides, [GOP] lawmakers, donors and political consultants are privately asking whether President Donald Trump realizes that losing the House next year could put his presidency in peril.”

    closely followed by:

    “Top GOP are privately asking whether losing Trump’s presidency next year could put the House in peril.”

  • Mike C

    I would like to see him lose badly in 2020. Horribly. YUGELY. I want this ugly movement repudiated by a majority of the country. But I’ll take impeachment too because I thought I’d get my first wish last November and now I don’t trust the swing states.

    • Impeachment and removal from office can only work if it is a bipartisan impeachment, meaning both parties get behind it. Nixon would have faced a bipartisan impeachment but resigned from office instead — he was told as much by the Republican leadership. If the Democratic Party wins control of Congress in November, Trump will probably be impeached in 2019 — simply because any Democratic House Member who does not vote for it will be out of office in 2020. It only takes a majority of House members to impeach – which then sets up a Senate trial. But unless it is clearly bipartisan, with at least some Republican support for impeachment, the Senate will not vote to convict (it will take 67 Senators to convict and remove from office). Single-party impeachments can actually backfire; the last single-party impeachment was of Bill Clinton by the Republicans after the Monica Lewinsky scandal; the Democrats actually picked up 5 House seats — they were expected to lose seats. Newt Gingrich resigned as Speaker because of the Republican loss.

  • The_Wretched

    Do the republicans really want to keep Trump around?

  • Nowhereman

    It’s the republicans who should be impeaching their own monster. They hold all the cards right now. Any one who needs further proof that the republicans only care about getting elected and not at all about governing, well, there it is.

  • netxtown

    “fundraise off those very fears”

    impeach trump
    abortion
    gays
    terrorism

    the list is just endless with these assholes… fear Fear FEAR!

  • WTF. He needs to be impeached NOW before it’s TOO LATE, if it’s not already!

  • ColdCountry

    Would that they were working toward impeachment themselves, rather than worrying someone else will do it.

    • canoebum

      That would require that they actually give a shit about what happens to the country, which they don’t. They only care about what happens to themselves. GOP 101, everyone is on their own. Fuck you if you’re not rich.

  • joe ho

    The GOP are master politicians, using simple messages to stoke fears to their advantage.

    You’ve got to hand that to them.

    Dems, not so much. They bumble around until the GOP has made such a mess that voters have to vote for them.

  • BlindBill

    This is code for “The GOP will need a lot more money it keep controll and give you what you want” to the corporations and not-for-profits. And, working it as a scare tactics to keep the GOP uneducated voter in the voting line.

  • kladinvt

    That stuff that dreams are made of.

  • justmeeeee

    Of course it will mean impeachment, for Donnie Johnny and his Mikey too, and the ONLY reason Paul Ryan is upset about it is that he won’t be the one waiting in the wings. He’d love to see that double impeachment happen BEFORE the mid-terms, and as soon as he thinks he can safely maneuver it, he’ll do his damnedest to try. Only problem being, he’s sort of a dumb shit and he won’t be able to pull it off.

    • MaryJOGrady

      All too true. Heh, heh, heh…

  • pleasebereasonable1

    sweet jeubs please!

  • KnownDonorDad

    The problem is, this depends on people voting for Democrats in the midterms, which is not the safest bet in the world.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      Yes. I think any party that wants to win in the Midterm Elections needs to focus on “getting out the vote” more than anything else, KnownDonorDad!

      The danger is that Mr Tramp’s unique blend of personality disorder, ignorance, fear, loathing, and immoral capitalism gone awry will so disgust voters, that they will stay home in droves from the polls….

  • fkevin

    That’s funny, they think they matter. The worry an incumbant republican representative should have is not losing to a democratic candidate, but to losing in the primary to another republican chosen by Bannon & Mercer or some other billionaire with an agenda.

    There has been article after article implying with a fair amount of certainty how the democratic party will lose more seats in the House in 2018 from gerrymandering, voter suppression, mid-term low voter turnout, low campaign funds, the disorganized DNC, and lack of inspiring candidates, etc. Bannon has called…again…for all out war against establishment politicians. I don’t think he was just talking about incumbent democrats. Then there is Mercer who pushed Trump thru in 2016 supporting the campaign, financed Breitbart, and used Cambridge Analytica to influence votes.
    (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/26/robert-mercer-breitbart-war-on-media-steve-bannon-donald-trump-nigel-farage)
    And lastly, Trumps base, the deplorables, voting out establishment Senator Luther Strange sends a pretty strong signal they are active.
    With all that has happened and did not happen in the campaigns of 14(?) republican Presidential candidates for 2-3 years, why would any establishment republican representative or senior think they matter one iota to Trump and his base?
    There have never been better conditions for Mercer/Bannon/Trump and the deplorable base to put in their far right, conservative candidates.

  • Gianni

    The GOP should seriously consider a new slogan: PARTY BEFORE PEOPLE. It’s somewhat catchy and has the ring of truth to it.

  • wds

    The only thing that’s going to rid us of the problem is if the election is declared invalid. Impeachment means Pence becomes President and Ryan becomes VP … And if BOTH are impeached – We get Ryan and President and Orrin Hatch as VP…no thanks … either one is “hello there in the frying pan, meet fire.” … https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f22b39c70b4827a0fb3212db15b8b6889a1b13f666bb3f8ff0941aeb684af7e3.jpg

    • fkevin

      Well not quite, but it is still the same quagmire:

      25th Amendment:
      “Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.”

      If Trump is impeached or removed, Pence would become the President. Pence would then choose a Vice President. Ryan would stay Speaker and the rest of the Cabinet members would remain in their present positions unless nominated by a President Pence to be the Vice President. We would still be screwed and Mother would be First Lady. Shudder.

    • Ann Kah

      If Pence takes the White House, I suspect that we will be in a holding pattern with very little getting done. Now, I’m not saying that would be a BAD thing…

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  • Galvestonian

    OH YES !!!!! … but not just TRUMPY we’re taking down PENCE, too or better still NULLIFY the whole damn election and throw all of the damn Republicunts out of office.

  • Ann Kah

    Please, please, don’t wait that long. Get him out, preferably BEFORE we go to war with Iran. Or worse yet, with North Korea. If we have a nuclear war, that means that we will have to fight everybody; there’s no quicker way to set the whole world against us.

  • Idiot Republicans don;t realize that an impeachment by the House is merely the equivalent of an indictment – it takes a 2/3 vote of the Senate to “remove from office” (the equivalent of a conviction).

    There is no possibility of getting Trump removed from office, unless he ticks off enough Republicans – so 2018 is irrelevant, truly – it is going to take Republicans to get him out – and I would hope enough Democrats resist the idea because Pence would be a lot worse. All these putzes want to do is motivate “the base” to come out and vote to keep GOP house members in office.