ROMANIA: US Christian Hate Groups Provide Help In Advance Of Referendum To Ban Same-Sex Marriage

Politico reports:

Romania is gearing up to hold a referendum to amend the constitution to prohibit gay marriage, a move that civil rights groups warn could put the country on an “illiberal” path alongside the likes of Hungary and Poland.

Romania’s civil code forbids same-sex marriage, and civil partnerships — whether between heterosexual or gay partners — are not legal. But the constitution’s gender-neutral formulation on marriage, which defines it as a union “between spouses,” has left the legislative door open to legalizing gay marriage.

Similar efforts to mobilize citizens to restrict gay rights have taken place in Georgia, Bulgaria, France and elsewhere across Europe. In many cases, U.S. religious groups have played an active role in their campaigns.

Romania’s Coalition received legal assistance from the international chapters of several U.S.-based conservative Christian groups, including the Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) and Liberty Counsel. In the U.S., both have been designated as anti-LGBTQ hate groups by the Southern Poverty Law Center. The international chapters of both organizations submitted pro-referendum legal opinions to Romania’s Constitutional Court while the body assessed whether the civic initiative could be considered by parliament.

  • Lazycrockett

    Expect more of this with Sessions doing his evil.

    • Mark

      and Brian needing money to feed his 8 kids.

      • Uncle Mark

        Does this mean that Brian doesn’t know that they’re actually NOT his (in the Biblical-sense?)

      • Jay Silversmith

        Yet when gawd punished brian by destroying his house in that flood, he is still defiant and swears he speaks for gawd. Here comes another hurricane lesson, brian. Pay attention this time.

        • Mark

          That was tony actually…..

          • Jay Silversmith

            You’re right. They all look alike to me.

    • S1AMER

      Lots and lots more.

    • orion dumptee

      yes and with a dominionist nutcase vp …plus ..what Corker of Tenn said this morning about a WH adult day care ctr, lol…SADLY..We are in for a rough ride…

  • bkmn

    They really want to turn back the clock. We can not allow them to do it.

    • orion dumptee

      sadly,as far as Romania/Bulgaria goes..they never set the clock ‘ahead’ to begin with. These US relig nutjobs cant push their nutcase agenda in the urbane world…..so they head to the poorest of the Balkans..and prey on them….(I was USIS there 65-70-),

      • boatboy_srq

        Such a pity. RO and BG are beautiful, and there ARE good people there.

        • orion dumptee

          wonderfull, warm people in all of the balkans,it is a pity that the poorest 2 are so downtrodden
          ,HATE to see them being taken advantage of…Orthodox beliefs are large in those countries

  • Judas Peckerwood

    Tax them into oblivion.

  • Tatonka

    Hey Joe – I love you baby, but instead of a non-stop stream of stories about what THEY are doing, I would sure love some stories about what WE are doing and how we can support, contribute and participate. We’re not helpless, but some of us could use some guidance to help us put our energy and money in the most effective place.

    I’ve felt sick and hopeless for weeks on end. Help us fight back.

    • another_steve

      Hear ya, sweetie. Be of good cheer. There’s still good in the world. Lots of it. No need to be in perpetual combat mode.

      Bad/depressing news is what drives many people to blogs and other news media. Watch virtually any local TV news show. The first three stories are predictably: (1) who got murdered overnight, (2) whose house burned down overnight, and (3) what water main burst in your area during the past 24 hours.

      People like that kind of stuff.

      People who go to blogs for their news like that kind of stuff.

      • thatotherjean

        It’s not so much that they like it as that they feel the need to be informed about it. Was the murder anywhere near my house? Did one of my neighbor’ houses burn down? Do I need to detour around the water main break? Except, of course, those people who watch for the blood, fire, and misery. They’re ghouls.

        • another_steve

          I suppose, jean. Though I do think there’s a part of us that likes to read and hear depressing miserable things that affect others, because in so doing, our fragile selves then think, “well, thank goodness that doesn’t affect me and mine.”

          I think that this tendency comes with being human. It’s not contrived – it’s natural – and therefore neither good nor bad.

          • thatotherjean

            OK–I suppose there is a considerable element of “There but for the grace of God go I,” as well as simply staying informed, to watching the news. There is also the satisfaction that comes with seeing people you don’t like get theirs, which delights some people far too much.

    • coram nobis

      Think of JMG as a carnival midway. Joe has arcades like Punch a Nazi, he has regular freak shows with right wing and religious loons, he has political contortionists. The commentary adds dog and bear shows and eye candy. Step right up to Joe’s greatest show on Earth!

  • Tawreos

    The world would be a better place if we would put a stop to people being able to export their hateful ideologies to other countries.

  • PickyPecker

    OT: I keep warning people about Pumpkin Spice, but nooooo. no one listens.
    wapo ~ A school was evacuated over a ‘strange odor.’ It was pumpkin spice air freshener.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2017/10/06/a-school-was-evacuated-over-a-strange-odor-it-was-pumpkin-spice-air-freshener/?utm_term=.f29440b60d9f

    • Treant

      It’s the Great Pumpkin Spice, Charlie Brown!

      • PickyPecker
        • Treant

          So you don’t want my Pumpkin Spice soap? I did it Country-Rustic style and everything!

          • PickyPecker

            I’m sure it’s beautiful, but the smell would be…ugh.

          • Gustav2

            It would look lovely on the presidents skin!

          • thatotherjean

            Pumpkin spice is beautiful–but only in pumpkin pie.

          • netxtown

            if i drop it in the shower, will I hear somebody – anyBODY ! yell “PUNKIN!” ?

          • Treant

            Alas, no. Not unless the scent, as noted above, attracted a muscular redneck who was looking for the corn maze.

          • netxtown

            at my age…what the hell.
            come to papa, sonny….

          • greenmanTN

            Does it repel fleas better than other national brands? 😉

          • Treant

            No, but it does attract muscular rednecks looking for the corn maze.

        • Ken M
      • M Jackson

        I preferred Sporty Spice, Mel C.

    • BearEyes

      We’re in Ogunquit this weekend. At the Sassy Olive, one of the balsamic flavours they have is pumpkin spice balsamic vinegar. I couldn’t even bring myself to try it. We did get some more of the hickory smoked balsamic vinegar though – great on roast chicken.

      • ChrisMorley

        You Americans are so perverse in messing with traditional Italian ingredients.
        The Italian Balsamic Vinegar Police of Modena will surely be visiting to eradicate these anti-gourmet pumpkin spice and smoked hickory abominations.

        http://www.madfoodscience.com/post/6976067476/balsamic-vinegar

        • BearEyes

          If the vinegar police have a hairy chest, maybe we can, you know, work out a deal…

      • M Jackson

        I bet it was beautiful today. I love strolling the Marginal Way.
        Fond memories of working at The Playhouse 22 years ago when I was still able to rock a speedo on the beach.

        • BearEyes

          The Playhouse has “From Here to Eternity” playing now.
          Was nice this morning. Did part of the Marginal Way. Damp and foggy this afternoon.
          Meeting for cocktails at the Front Porch in 1/2 hour. Martini for me and a frozen cosmo for hubby. We’ll go to the Lobster Pound later on.

    • RaygunsGoZap

      Fun fact: The “pumpkin” in pumpkin spice in mass produced drinks and foods is actually squash.

      • djcoastermark

        Actually it’s just spices, flavorings, and thickeners in those drinks. No actual pumpkin or squash.

        • netxtown

          it’s 100% genuine imitation punkin

      • jerry

        Most of the canned “pumpkin” you buy in stores is actually squash.

      • Fun Fact!
        “A pumpkin is a cultivar of a squash plant, most commonly of Cucurbita pepo, that is round, with smooth, slightly ribbed skin, and deep yellow to orange coloration. The thick shell contains the seeds and pulp. Some exceptionally large cultivars of squash with similar appearance have also been derived from Cucurbita maxima.

        Specific cultivars of winter squash derived from other species, including C. argyrosperma, and C. moschata, are also sometimes called “pumpkin”.

        In New Zealand and Australian English, the term pumpkin generally refers to the broader category called winter squash elsewhere.[1]

        Native to North America,[2] pumpkins are widely grown for commercial use and are used both in food and recreation. Pumpkin pie, for instance, is a traditional part of Thanksgiving meals in Canada and the United States, although commercially canned pumpkin puree and pumpkin pie fillings are usually made from different kinds of winter squash than the pumpkins frequently carved as jack-o’-lanterns for decoration around Halloween.”

        (italics mine)

    • Bluto
    • jerry

      And I am allergic to a lot of the pine-scented crap that people like to use around xmas.

  • Ninja0980

    Remember that both of these groups want us in prison or worse but they aren’t hate groups, no siree.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    If there are any people of faith out there, know that this is the reason I despise religion, that and it has no basis in reality. Seriously, this is what the face of Christianity is today, regardless of what NAC’s say. If Christians don’t want to be seen like this, they need to step up and quash this. If not, then this is what Christianity is.

    • greenmanTN
    • AJD

      It’s great that there are LGBT-affirming churches out there. But the fact remains that the overwhelming majority of Christians and people who belong to them hate us and want us to disappear – including through capital punishment.

      • Tawreos

        I don’t think the majority want us gone, it is just a very vocal group that does. We also hear from this group more often because we tend to seek them out and keep track of them. Most christians don’t know people that want us dead exist and if they do they shrug it off with “that’s not what I believe”. If more of the “good” christians spoke out then the incidence of the christians that want us dead would most likely go down.

    • JCF

      I more than used to being despised by BOTH fundamentalist theists and anti-theists at this point. I’m not going anywhere. I’m going to keep on keeping on, being Queer Lil Me. Fighting the Good Fight. Believing that Love Wins. Peace to you, Jean-Marc.

  • MikeBx2

    OT. Saw the video yesterday, but didn’t know the bartender kicked them out…
    https://twitter.com/Hadas_Gold/status/916379692562833408

  • TheManicMechanic

    It was probably rather exciting back in the day when they’d feed Christians to the lions. These days that would be considered abuse for the lions and unfortunately there might be laws against the wholesale killing of Christians for sport. But in a better world things could be different. Say, Christians versus monster trucks.

  • boatboy_srq

    FundiEvangelist Xtianists want to make bigotry the US’ biggest export.

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN

    A god that sends us to eternal fire is just not enough hate for these fundies.

    • Tawreos

      What’s the fun of damning people to hell for all eternity if you can’t make life hell for them in this life as well?

  • GayOldLady

    Apparently it’s not enough to lock the marriage/union door to LGBT’s, they then put a padlock on the door, a chain on the door, nail 2×4’s over the door, push a dresser against the door, a refrigerator and recliner behind the dresser. They really fear gay marriage and gay unions. We’re so scary!!!!!!

  • Leo

    OT. Incredibly bad news…the MS-13 boogeyman ads in VA might be working
    https://twitter.com/jimgeraghty/status/916284209899204610

    • djcoastermark

      That is scary.

    • jerry

      It’s the “Willie Horton” ads all over again.

    • Blake J Butler

      step back, breathe, and send your money and support to Northam and to the delegates running this year against republicans.

      Oh and i wouldn’t pay much attention into it, real democrats are voting for him, the progressive wing is playing purity politics by him not being able to do anything about a pipeline that only the feds can control not at the state level. the revolution group sanders has, refused to endorse him because of those groups not submitting his name, probably for the same asinine reason.

      stressing yourself isn’t going to help, helping Northam win and like minded candidates will.

  • netxtown

    “U.S. religious groups have played an active role in their campaigns.”

    Then I say let other countries have at us and let’s see how long the jeebus assholes approve of meddling in other country’s politics and/or policies. C’mon SA, Iran, Iraq, – all of them. Let ’em in here to force their ‘ideas’ on us.

    And when the very first jeebus freak complains – they can whack his damned head off. That is what they wanted, right?

    • shivadog

      They seem to have no problem with Russia meddling in our elections.

  • KevInPDX

    Ya know, it’s only 1230pm Pacific but I’ve had enough endless bad news for one week. The Interior Secretary (under investigation Zinke) has granted us 2 hrs early dismissal and at 4pm I will head to Imperial Bottle Shop for a couple pints of IPA. Or Migration (Brewing) they have a wonderful porter (and shoe string fries) and it is fall now so seasonally appropriate. So many good choices as to where to booze it in this town.
    Have a good weekend. Do something nice for yourself. I will be picking grapes.
    Cheers (burp!).

  • NZArtist

    The USA: Meddling in other country’s elections since forever.

    • Steverino

      The Russians have taken good notes observing just that.

  • Gustav2

    OT but shows what is happening to churches:

    Holy spirits: Closed churches find second life as breweries

    YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio — Ira Gerhart finally found a place last year to fulfill his yearslong dream of opening a brewery: a 1923 Presbyterian church. It was cheap, charming and just blocks from downtown Youngstown.

    At least 10 new breweries have opened in old churches across the country since 2011, and at least four more are slated to open in the next year. The trend started after the 2007 recession as churches merged or closed because of dwindling membership.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/holy-spirits-closed-churches-find-second-life-as-breweries/2017/10/06/1b1c524e-aa99-11e7-9a98-07140d2eed02_story.html?utm_term=.4a4c3abcf36f

    • jerry

      Well, they’re finally being put to a productive use.

      • greenmanTN
        • djcoastermark

          I don’t think there was going to be much of problem with that bunch.

        • jerry

          My religious (and Republican) paternal grandmother would agree…she thought the worst president ever was FDR because “he repealed prohibition”, ignoring the fact that a majority of states had to vote for that constitutional amendment, and that liquor still flowed quite freely during Prohibition, courtesy of organized crime.

        • M Jackson

          Encouraging inebriation for 150 years.

        • Robincho

          Fear not, ladies, fear not…

    • Adonisus

      Funny enough, brewing spirits was something a lot of old-school Monasteries used to do in the Middle Ages. Gotta get that revenue flowing somehow. 🙂

      • “Trappist beer is a beer brewed by Trappist breweries. Eleven monasteries — six in Belgium, two in the Netherlands and one each in Austria, Italy and United States — currently brew beer and sell it as Authentic Trappist Product.”

        “Benedictine Brewers in Germany
        Today we know of 24 breweries in Germany at monasteries. Some of them kept succession from ancient monasteries, some were founded at new places. Several breweries came into private possession, but kept the name and attributes of monasteries in beer production (as the mentioned Weihenstephaner) and they too can be considered relatively monastic.”

        Used to do? ;-))

  • greenmanTN
    • netxtown

      Eureka! I’m gonna put in an entire patchwork of them! B-bye squirrels!

    • Steverino

      He should have done a better job of hiding his nuts.

    • Canadian Observer

      Looks a lot like a skwrl pinata to me. *reaching for a stick*

  • Ken M

    They can’t do it here, but they have to keep getting the money to fund it somehow. This way they can tell the contributors about all theyr’e doing to stop the gay agenda, and not “really” be lying.

    • Hue-Man

      Your tax dollars (that they didn’t pay) at work.

  • ChrisInKansas

    Anyone else see “comments off” on the FRC post above?

    • PickyPecker

      Just noticed that. Not sure why.

      • ChrisInKansas

        Strange.

    • Gigi

      Comments might have been off before, but they’re not now.

  • GanymedeRenard

    This from the country that gave us Dracula.

  • juanjo54

    Romania is a shit hole and has been since the Roman Empire fell apart. My grandparents are from a little village just inside this pestilence ridden trash heap. When they lived there it was part of Hungary but after the end of WWI it became part of Romania. They left. I have been there and these people are ridden with religious and other types of superstitions. Hell they even still hack up the bodies of alleged vampires. Hungary has its problems but let me tell you, crossing the border between Hungary and Romania is like crossing from San Diego to Tijuana. Except that is not fair to the Mexicans, they are far more educated, polite, honest and liberal that the fraking Romanians.

    • leastyebejudged

      Living under secret police for so long is bound to royally screw up a culture and society.

      Take a good, hard look at Romania now, and read about the history last 60 years.

      You’re looking at the USA’s future.

      • juanjo54

        Romania has been fucked up much longer than the Communist years. The church and the strong man rule of warlords, followed by royalty and then the fascist brigades and the communists have pretty much given that country a 1000 years of totally fucked up superstitious crap to weed through.

  • Canadian Observer

    Time for someone to be expelled from the EU sent to the corner to think about what they are doing.

  • BeaverTales

    LGBT activists get tired and occasionally complacent. These Christian hate groups never seem to lack energy or money.

    • Halou

      They can rely on having the “interest” of several foreign governments.

  • Bj Lincoln

    US bad ‘christians’ spreading their lies and hate around the world. It should be against the law for religious Nutjobs to spread crap to less advanced countries.