FRC Joins Demand For Boston To Fly Christian Flag

Via press release from hate group leader Tony Perkins:

There’s a new four-letter word in Boston: FLAG. For months, Massachusetts capital city has welcomed any group to schedule an event at the city council and fly their flag. “Any kind of group, that is… but Christian,” LifeSiteNews reports. Despite flying everything from a transgender banner to a nod at the Chinese Progressive Association, the city specifically singled out — and denied — a faith-based organization called Camp Constitution.

In explaining its decision, city leaders insisted, “Boston maintains a policy and practice of respectfully refraining from flying non-secular flags on the City Hall flagpoles. This policy and practice is consistent with well-established First Amendment jurisprudence prohibiting a local government from “respecting an establishment of religion.” They concluded with an offer for Camp organizers to fly a secular flag instead.

Attorneys at Liberty Counsel didn’t waste any time responding. In a lengthy defense of the group’s First Amendment rights, Richard Mast argued that it was unconscionable that the city would discriminate in such a way. “The city has never denied a request based on the viewpoint expressed by the selected flag, until now.”

Threatening a lawsuit if the matter isn’t corrected, he insisted, “Government must treat private religious messages on equal terms and conditions with private non-religion messages. Government must treat all persons and groups seeking to use the forum equally, regardless of their viewpoint.” Surely a city that played such a key role in the Revolution would understand that. If not, Liberty Counsel is prepared to remind them — in court.

  • Tom G

    Liberty Counsel found a new case to lose.

    • prixator

      But, also, another urgent cause! to fundraise off of.

  • RaygunsGoZap

    The only thing that Liberty Council is prepared to prove in any court is that they are a bunch of losers who’s dipshittery should be mocked.

    • liondon#iamnotatraitor

      They’re on the victim money train..once you get on it’s hard to get off.

  • Tulle Christensen

    I do not think they understand if they force the city to fly a Christian flag, then the city can be forced to fly an Islamic flag too

  • Galvestonian

    They can fly the damn flag at every church and private residence in the city – they can fly it on rooftops or from the sides of buildings, they can drape the damn thing from windowsills or even wear it as a scarf, make a jacket out of it or wipe their ass on it but ya don’t mix church and State … the libtards can go to hell.

  • mirele

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…”–how hard is this to understand? I went to law school; I presume the Liberty Counsel people did as well, don’t they get that Boston can’t “respect” that allegedly “Christian” flag?

  • worstcultever

    First Amendment, dumbasses.

    Also, go fucking pray.

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  • Tom G

    If it says you gotta keep church and state separate……then it seems like an easy loss for Liberty Counsel. If you run a church, worry about churchy shit.

    • BearEyes

      and a fund raising opportunity

  • TheGrandWazoo2
    • FAEN

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    • worstcultever

      perfection

    • another_steve

      Anyone interested in assisting the struggle to keep church and state separate should consider donating to Americans United for Separation of Church and State (‘AU’ for short).

      AU isn’t an organization comprised solely of atheists, though there are atheists among its membership. Most Americans are not atheist or atheist-leaning. Promulgating atheism or urging people to be atheists in America is a total loser and waste of effort.

      From wiki:

      “Americans United describes itself as officially non-sectarian and non-partisan. According to The Praeger Handbook of Religion and Education in the United States “It includes members from a broad religious, and non-religious, spectrum, including Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and atheists.” Its national headquarters are in Washington, D.C.. Its current executive director, Barry W. Lynn, is an ordained minister in the United Church of Christ, as well as an attorney involved with civil liberties issues.”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_United_for_Separation_of_Church_and_State

      • David Walker

        On the other hand, those who ARE atheists or agnostics might consider this. Used to be I didn’t like Ron because of his family. Now I find him sorta kinda hot.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7INIhD9P0Pw

        • another_steve

          I share his goal of separation of church and state but think the language and approach of his organization is 100 percent counter-productive.

          It comes across as “be an atheist or agnostic and end this shit.” That might appeal to some atheists and agnostics but it’s a total turnoff to the millions and millions of people of faith in the U.S.

          • Chucktech

            “People of faith” aren’t going to be persuaded by any argument from science, logic, or reason. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4132ced67ad7b0ba8bf7cb75ffc54dcbd20e8f355de8119df97be4a14db94e28.jpg

          • another_steve

            Again, from the AU wiki site (as quoted above):

            “Americans United describes itself as officially non-sectarian and non-partisan. According to The Praeger Handbook of Religion and Education in the United States “It includes members from a broad religious, and non-religious, spectrum, including Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and atheists.”

          • David Walker

            OK, but commercials for Tide are not meant for people who already use Tide, although it is certainly a warm fuzzy because it reinforces that they made the right decision. Tide commercials are for people with dirty clothes who aren’t satisfied with whatever it is they’ve been using. This strikes me as pretty much the same. Some atheists are members, probably many (I can’t cite numbers) are not. There are liberal Christians who understand what Ron is saying, even though they may find the tag “Not afraid of burning in hell” a bit naughty. But they understand the separation of church and state and see this while watching Rachel and think, “Hmmm. Maybe.” And if that’s the case, it works.

            Also, I think I’m developing your Jared thing for Ron.

          • netxtown

            I think TV ads target the stupid. And, obviously, we are all stupid cuz we aren’t using brand x or taking pill #42 and our dirty drawers don’t smell fresh after a month – so that we can have a carefree, happy, fun-filled life…..

          • another_steve

            Lol. Re your “Ron thing,” prepare for the public shaming, David.

            I’ve received near death-threats on this blog as a result of my describing my hots for Jared. 馃槈

      • Jamie Mann

        why should it matter if someone doesn’t believe in a god? the fact of the mater is we separation of church and state in the constitution for a reason. We don’t have a state run church and the freedom to worship or not and not be prosecuted for it. Just as long as our religion stops at the door of our church/temple/mosque or home.

        • another_steve

          I personally could not care less what other people believe or don’t believe in this realm of things. In the realm of metaphysics, we’re all guessing. Anyone who thinks they “know” is full of ego shit.

          Just do it – whatever it is you (generic “you”) do – and don’t require that I pay for it, participate in it, or watch it.

      • The_Wretched

        ” Promulgating atheism or urging people to be atheists in America is a total loser and waste of effort.”
        Fvck you too.

        I otherwise agree with giving to AU.

      • EdA

        Of course, it IS possible to contribute to BOTH Americans United AND to Freedom From Religion Foundation, and contributions to both are tax-deductible. Both are active in filing suit to compell government at different levels to stop inflicting the religious views of government employees onto involuntary victims. (Barry Lynn, AU’s executive director, is retiring now; his successor has not yet been named.)

  • Bluto

    Fuck you, fuck your flag & fuck your shitty hateful bigoted god. You have the freedom to chose in which order so shut up.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ced5a918eb4b5cfda9fc9f45bf1b24e6ad267a82ef7cbf37cfdc222c33f3c383.jpg

    • Jefe5084

      DAMN!! That hair! puh….leeeeeeze!

    • Bryan

      Bangs are back!

      • BJORN RAGNVALDR

        For revenge…

        • Bryan

          … and this time… it’s personal…

      • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

        Some people never realized they left.

        • Luddite

          Oh hell, go to Baltimore and be amazed by the hairdos from the 60’s that never went away Hon.

      • prixator

        I’ve always wondered (but not enough to investigate) why they’re called “bangs”.

    • JT
      • David Walker

        Thanks. I think about this tune from time to time…as in, “The more things change…”

  • Karl Dubhe

    Tell them that after the Christian flag is flown, someone is going to want to fly a Muslim flag, then someone will want to fly the flags of every other religion…

    Consequences; what are they?

    • Tulle Christensen

      If they win you just know the Satanic Temple will be second in line with their flag to be flown above city hall and the Christian pearl clutching will be intense

    • alguien

      if a “christian” flag is ever flown, you can be sure that the satanists will come forward with a demand to fly one of their own flags over city hall.

    • Karl Dubhe

      Or even this flag. Do the Christians want this flag flown over Boston? Hmmm?

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/31c2e7503f7c0a358008649376defd6c648e9813bb0c9148d22ce5b075792df1.jpg

    • another_steve

      They never get to that logical point, Karl, because they’re not really invested in this “religious liberty” scam of theirs. If they were, they’d say okay to other religions also flying their flags in public places.

      They want a Christian nation. They want Christianity to be the official U.S. religion and the only one recognized by government.

      • Karl Dubhe

        You’ve got that right. 馃檨

        (really wish I could find a clip of Luba Goy saying that line in Air Farce… But I’m lazy as fuck)

      • netxtown

        There’s that and – how can they beg for more money if they can’t holler about more persecution?

    • vorpal 馃樇

      Consequences; what are they?

      Something they never have to face because saying, “Sorry, Jeeesus!” immunizes one from them.

      • Their religion is one unending “get out jail free” card. Never any consequences for their actions, as long as they ask Jeebus for forgiveness.

        • vorpal 馃樇

          Even if they ARE imprisoned, “turning to Jesus” will often be looked at favourably as a display of “good behaviour”, when indeed, it should be viewed as the opposite. =grrrr=

    • Adam King
      • ohbear1957

        Considerably more attractive and chic than the xtian flag.

        • vorpal 馃樇

          A ratty pair of 45’s stained underwear would look better than that Christian flag monstrosity.

        • Todd20036

          Who is that goat legged fellow? I like the cut of his jig…

  • margaretpoa

    Neither being trans nor being a progressive in China is a religion, you stupid, fucking idiot.

    • prixator

      They’re not smart; they think atheism is a religion (and other non-religious things, too).

  • FAEN

    We are not a Christian nation.

  • SilasMarner

    Good, go to court. Waste your money. Oh,and by the way, fuck off!

  • Michael R
  • JT

    Libatee Konsle. Wrong again. Wrong forever.

  • Natty Enquirer

    It’s not just a viewpoint, Mast. It’s a religion and there’s just this little bit extra to the First Amendment that you forgot to read.

  • BearEyes

    a religious flag – private or not – is still a religious flag. For a government entity to fly it would still be an establishment of religion.

  • worstcultever
    • JCF

      Heh, I saw the phrase “St Rachel” and (before scrolling) thought you meant Maddow!

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    We’ve been over this Toni, the only demands you get to make are in your own home, your church or inside your ugly little hate group.
    That’s it.
    Get over it.

  • Ranger One

    What happened to that lie they told that they wanted the gays from destroying the family unit? How has that claim held up? They just abandoned it, like a bottle dumped over a cliff.

    They wanted power. That’s it. it was nothing more than power. The have said nothing about their claim that gays would kill families, nothing about how gays in the military would result in the resignation of 250,000 troops. Nothing. Because it was always about hate and power and division. Lies to gain power. No follow-up, no stats, nothing. Because their claims amount to nothing.

    Just dump the bogus hate claims, and move onto the next. It would be beautiful if not hate.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzDrMUDGsZM

  • DaveMiller135

    鈥淎ny kind of group, that is鈥 but Christian,鈥

    鈥淎ny kind of group, that is鈥 but religious,鈥

    Fixed it. Tony, I get that in your mind religious and Christian are the same thing, but they’re not. They’re also not the same as most secular groups; religions don’t pay taxes. The Constitution singles out religion, among all other kinds of groups and associations, saying that government won’t show a preference for one religion over the others. And that’s to your benefit, even if you won’t admit it.

    • JCF

      Religious and Christian aren’t the same, neither are Christian and Christianist.

  • David
  • Tawreos

    Is anyone really threatened by a lawsuit from Liberty Counsel?

    • vorpal 馃樇

      Only Liberty Counsel’s bank balance.

      Also, possibly the judge who has to sit there and endure the stupidest misinterpretations of the law that he / she has ever heard.

      • The_Wretched

        They make money on losing lawsuits. The court cases are just the ad budget for their grifting money begs. Each ‘lawyer’ in LC makes millions per year and have for more than a decade. It’s a very profitable business model.

        • vorpal 馃樇

          You’re almost certainly right, but then those from who they successfully grift are shelling out cash and making completely wasted sacrifices in the name of their hatred.

          And that still makes me smile.

  • bambinoitaliano

    Fucking Related Children also want to put Josh Duggar face on your stamps and dollar bills.

  • vorpal 馃樇

    That is one fugly flag.

    I fail to see the problem: if their god supposedly made the rainbow as an apology gift for killing off millions of humans, innocent babies, and helpless animals, they should be overjoyed to see the rainbow flag.

    • Yes, but dont cha know we stole the rainbow from them. Which makes them all verklempt which then leads to shvitzing.

      • vorpal 馃樇

        Since their god supposedly made everything (including satan and evil), no matter what we used for a symbol, it would be “stealing” from their god.

        The fact that they throw such a little impotent conniption fit about it just makes it extra super duper fun!

        • Doesn’t it tho?

          • vorpal 馃樇

            Utterly delicious, and best of all, calorie-free!

          • Stubenville

            They don’t do logic well.

      • netxtown

        ..and while the king was looking down…the jester stole his rainbow crown….the courtroom was adjourned…no verdict was returned!

        • I had to google that. No clue that was from American Pie. But then if I know any words to any song at all it is without a doubt only the chorus lyrics.

  • DaddyRay

    Hillary on AM Joy now

  • Lazycrockett

    Hillary is on MSNBC!!

    • DaddyRay

      It has been a great interview

      • Lazycrockett

        Yep. She is awesome!!

  • -M-

    None of the other flags were promoting an establishment of a religion to receive preferential treatment over other people’s views.

    • John30013

      True; however, there are plenty of unsavory secular groups out there that could take the city up on their offer. Think Nazis, or the Klan, etc.

      Boston’s offer, while well intentioned, is a recipe for lawsuits and divisiveness.

      • Mike

        The offer was to fly a secular flag, but I am confident that nazi and klan flags would not be allowed either. The religious flag thing is easy: no religious flags, period. I imagine the city considers secular flags on a flag by flag basis.

        • John30013

          If the city does as you suggest, they are open to charges of discrimination based on viewpoint, which is clearly a violation of the 1st Amendment (the government can’t favor one viewpoint over another, nor can they suppress particular viewpoints). That’s why I suggested that the city should have stayed away from such an offer in the first place. Frankly, I’m surprised the city attorney didn’t warn them about this.

  • Chucktech

    鈥淕overnment must treat private religious messages on equal terms and conditions with private non-religion messages.

    Government has to do no such thing. Fuck off.

    • David Walker

      Not yet, anyway.

    • Lizard

      Wonderfully succinct.

  • Ninja0980

    This country isn’t a theocracy so therefore you need to keep your damn flag off government buildings.

  • Ken M
  • pj

    mostly white flag. the christian surrender flag?

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      It reflects their demographic.

  • Bj Lincoln

    What part of the law do they not understand? It is part of our constitution that government will not pick one religion over another so no religious flags can be flown on a government flagpole. It is getting really old listening to some twisted version of bible thumpers demanding the government pick them over all others.

    • BJORN RAGNVALDR

      They don’t understand any part of the law that does not give then sauveirgnty over our lives.

    • Lizard

      I guarantee you that if Boston flew a flag with the Muslim star and moon on it, Tony Perkins would completely freak out.

    • TuuxKabin

      You forgot ‘snake stompers’ after bible (t)humpers.

  • Friday

    Err, no, you lying Christianist hater. If your flag of Christian Dominionist treason isn’t about imposing an ‘establishment of religion’ ….nothing is.

  • edrex

    dear xtians, your graven image sucks.

  • SoCalGal20

    What the fuck is a “Christian” flag? Is this like some banner they had during the Crusades or something?

  • Bad Tom

    SUCK IT, FRC!
    — Sincerely, Boston.

    • KnownDonorDad

      P.S.: Get outta heah!

  • Ben in Oakland

    Easy solution. Fly the christian flag along with various Islamic ones. Plus a few other religious flag.

    • Yes! Have one weekend a year where flags from every religion that has houses of worship in the town may fly their flags. So come on down to the state house, and bring your Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, etc flags!

  • Macbill

    “So send money.”

  • Jeffg166

    What about the Papal flag for the non heretics.

    • KnownDonorDad

      That would blow Tony’s mind, wouldn’t it?

  • Lee Grupsmith-Pedersen

    Which “Christian” flag?

  • David Walker

    Is that a chem trail emanating from the xn flag?
    Could this be regarded as a false flag?

  • JWC

    Then pay taxes assholes!!

  • So today’s question. Have you noticed the massive cultural thief from the Jewish religion lately? There is a church in Fairbanks Alaska that flies 20 Israel flags. They are a Baptist church. Many xtian pastors are calling themselves “Rabbi”. What is going on?

    • Maybe they’re just getting rid of the New Testament, since they don’t pay any attention to it anyway.

  • netxtown

    uh Tony – we just don’t like ‘your kind’. Nothing personal…but you’re just kinda icky…

  • Dale Snyder

    “Surely a city that played such a key role in the Revolution would understand that. If not, Liberty Counsel is prepared to remind them 鈥 in court.”

    Good luck with that, asshole.

  • KnownDonorDad

    This is the flag that fascism will be wrapped in when it comes to America. The Handmaid’s Tale has never been more timely. No thanks.

  • The_Wretched

    Territorial pissing – the only place they want a flag is on governmental sites. They have a panoply of public locations on private property and businesses that could and would fly it and yet they one spot they just have to have is the governmental location.

    • EdA

      But they can’t claim to be “persecuted ” if they’re not allowed to force their views on others

  • JCF
  • EdA

    Yes we Bostonians are VERY well aware of some of the dangers when followers of particular cults try to use government to inflict their views on others involuntarily. Indeed anyone with a fourth grade knowledge of colonial and Revolutionary era American history knows why the Founding Fathers insisted that government stay out of the religion business. In fact the ancestors of today’s baptists and Methodists made it clear that they would refuse to ratify the Constitution if people like their progeny could act the way they want to.

    • KnownDonorDad

      We’ll also rally en masse if we think there’s Nazis about.

  • Stubenville

    So Tonette’s hope probably is that Boston will be bullied into not flying any LGBTQ supporting flag by threat of lawsuit over not flying an Xtian one (apples and oranges, anyway.) As an ex-Bostonian, I can affirm that the citizens and government representatives do not react kindly to being bullied by outsiders.

  • LesbianTippingHabits


    Boston needs to lighten up a bit. The city has probably flown a non-secular flag before, and decisions such as this just give these crazies some legitimacy.

    If the city flew their flag, as it has flown others, nobody would notice or care.

    • EdA

      —I —- would notice, and —I— would care.

    • Mike

      Nope. No churchy flags on city property. It’s unlawful. Not caring about such a constitutional breach is bad citizenship.

      • LesbianTippingHabits


        I’m sure this has already happened, because even Boston may not have been all that careful in the past. In which case, Boston will be in trouble.

        Boston had similar problems with city funding for the LGBTQ-free, all-heterosexual St. Patrick’s Day parade. At least after winning Hurley in the Supreme Court, the parade’s sponsors [South Boston Allied War Veterans Council, as I recall] had to raise the money privately.

        So we’ll see how it goes.

    • Lizard

      I would. The Establishment Clause is not up for debate. It’s the law.

  • Charles Nelson

    If you sell a cake for a Xtian wedding…you have to be willing to sell a cake for a same-sex wedding. If you fly a flag for one group…you have be willing to fly a flag for another.

    • Mike

      No. Boston City Hall is municipal property, and religious symbols may not be displayed there鈥攎orally, ethically, or legally. Period.

      A shopkeeper should not be allowed to discriminate and refuse service based on race, religion, sex, sexuality, marital status, religion, national origin, and so on. The same Constitution that makes it unlawful to fly religious flags at City Hall makes it unlawful to refuse service at the lunch counter because of sincerely held feelings of bigotry.

    • Lizard

      One of these is a privately-owned business which has agreed to serve the people–all of the people. The other is a government, beholden to the constitution, including the Establishment Clause. They are not the same.

  • BigGuy

    150 years before the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, some provinces of Germany lost over 90% of their population as good Catholics and Protestants killed each other to prove they were the better Christians. That’s why our Founding Fathers wanted to keep religion out of our government.