Trump Endorses “Speak English” Immigration Bill

Mic.com reports:

On Wednesday, President Donald Trump announced support for new legislation that would seek to curtail legal immigration to the United States by imposing a skills-based system that would prioritize immigrants based on current work-force needs. If passed, the plan would reduce the number of immigrants the U.S. will allow into the country.

Trump said the legislation — known as the RAISE Act — will “favor applicants who can speak English, financially support themselves and their families and demonstrate skills that can contribute to our country.”

He added that the bill would ensure that immigrants cannot receive welfare benefits as soon as they come to the country — something that already exists in current law. Trump called the legislation the “most significant reform to our immigration system in half a century.”

  • fastlanestranger

    Tweet English

    • Lumpy Gaga

      ^ Gratuitous upvote.

    • Lantor

      Convefefe!

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    • Kruhn

      Yeah, like fucking entitled American types, they ask the black and brown ones to speak English, yet they mangle the language they profess to protect. In fact, nowhere in the Constitution does it say English is the official language of the United States nor is there a law in the books establishing it.

      • BudClark

        And weren’t “gentlemen” considered uneducated unless they could speak, read, and write Latin AND 1st Century Koine Greek?

  • Rocco Gibraltar

    Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled engineers yearning to breathe free…

    • Gustav2

      “So we don’t have to pay our American engineers…”

      • pj

        so we can pay the american engineers less

        • Gustav2

          A lot less.

          • Cipher

            And not have to invest in educating kids, especially the poor ones, to learn math and science.

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN

    Trump es un pendejo.

    • Y un comemierda hijo de la gran puta.

      • Jonathan Smith

        oy vey.

      • BudClark

        “And the son of a big whore.”

        Ouch.

    • Todd20036

      And yet, people aren’t talking about Russia, atm

    • Kruhn

      Trump es un hijo de la gran puta, carbón, pendejo, malparido que tiene una pinga chiquita. Ojalá un rayo lo parta en dos.

    • BudClark

      Just glancing at the above, I thought it said something about a turd hanging FROM his asshole. Sometimes first impressions ARE the BEST impressions.

  • Gustav2

    Hey everyone, it “White People Week” at the White House.

    Finally a sustained disciplined message!

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      Its called the white house for a reason…..

  • HZ81

    You first, fuckface.

    • Todd20036

      Yes sir.
      Sorry, my mind wandered. Naturally, I blame you

  • shellback

    Wypierdalaj

  • TimCA

    Trump said new immigrants must be able to “financially support themselves and their families.”

    The Raise Act translated: If you have at least 100 million and are willing to launder it through Trump real estate, you’re in!!! s/

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Labor needs!

  • Ninja0980

    For anyone who isn’t a fan of blue dog Democrats, Mark Pyror doesn’t seem so bad compared to Tom Cotton, does he?

  • justme

    Can we ship out the Americans here already who can’t speak English??

  • netxtown

    Oh boy. The problem, as i see it, is those who cannot speak english are usually at a huge disadvantage because most Americans only know english. That said – I wonder how many who already have the financial means to support themselves cannot speak english – rendering this whole bill a meatless bone thrown to his blood thirsty fan base

  • Scott Fitler

    Someone needs to start reminding these a-holes to “Be Human.”

    • JWC

      Humanity is not part of the GOP vocabulary

  • skyweaver

    My 84 year old mother has taught ESL classes to immigrants for 20 years. She has remarkable stories of students coming to her class after having gone to 3 jobs just so they can learn English, get ahead in their jobs and take care of their families. It’s a purely dick move to simply add the extra burden of language to a group of people often fleeing terrible conditions, when most of them are quite willing to learn after they’ve been given sanctuary in this country.

    • I daily deal with international students who barely speak English. Some read and write okay but under stress and in new situations where they couldn’t be expected to have known the vocabulary for this situation before just now (and even the native speakers often don’t know how to ask for what they need for that reason), I have much patience because that was me living in Germany. How anyone understood me I do not know. I spoke broken German and most of my vocabulary was from Heine and Goethe poems (the ones set to music by Schubert, Schumann and company) and opera libretti. Not exactly useful for every day situations. Most people were kind and helpful (and often spoke enough English themselves to help me…but that was not always the case). I doubt I ever spoke a complete sentence that I wasn’t reading or hadn’t memorized where I used the correct articles. So I am patient. Maybe if more Americans bothered to try to become conversant in another language, they might be more sympathetic to how hard it is.

      • MountainBoy

        “Auf dem Hügel sitz ich spähend …” Same here. I can talk about wanting to plunge my soul into the chalice of the lily, but can I ask for something simple? No.

        • MusicBear88

          I’ve always told people that I can tell you how I’m going to kill my cheating lover or go off to war in Italian, but I can’t order a cup of coffee.

          I think that one of the reasons that it’s often harder for people coming to America today to pick up English is that satellite TV and streaming video is so much more prevalent. People used to come here and turn on the TV or radio and hear English spoken at them constantly, even if they didn’t understand it, it got into their ear. Now they watch sports and media from home in their native language, which isn’t bad, but it does miss a learning opportunity.

          • Piet

            My attempts to break out of operatic Italian and into everyday speech were usually met with incomprehension or amusement. I could wax eloquent about the beauty of the night sky at 10:00 AM but I couldn’t ask for directions to the train station.

      • Hue-Man

        I doubt my Schubert German will get me far!

        Drüben hinterm Dorfe
        Steht ein Leiermann
        Und mit starren Fingern
        Dreht er was er kann.

      • ColdCountry

        There were a group of Italian tourists in “my” store the other week, and at least a couple of them spoke quite passable English. After they left, another customer made some comment. Not rude, but a bit negative, and obviously expected me to agree. I just looked at him and said that when I was in their country two weeks prior, I only spoke about 2 words of their language, and everyone was nice, and helpful. He just looked puzzled and I said, “We all tourists somewhere, and we all hope people will be kind. Have you ever asked directions of a Texan?” He got the point, and he laughed.

      • Steve Smith

        As a “surprise” immigrant to Italy ( we bought the house on an impulse in an afternoon when we were just on holiday) I sympathise. I’m learnig the language well now, but progress has been slow. I’m going to apply for citizenship soon, and that means I wiil need a certificate of proficiency in Italian. I speak reasonable French already, but Italian is a bit more difficult. Far too many syllables.…..but most people are patient and helpful here.

        • Fortunately a lot of the grammar in Italian is the same as it is in French. Except of course when it’s different. LOL At least the pronunciation rules are easier. Pro tip. use your hands. I find that when I get my students to use their hands when speaking the text (they don’t get to sing in another language until they can show me that they can speak the text with good pronunciation) the pronunciation gets much better. I know it sounds like a ridiculous cliche but it really does help. Maybe it just gets you in the mood or something. It’s a beautiful language. In fact I’ve often joked that if you wanted to invent a language for singing it would probably sound pretty much like Italian already does.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      Frank McCourt (author of Angela’s Ashes) once taught an English writing class at a community college for LPN trainees. Like your mother’s students, many of McCourt’s students were immigrants holding down several jobs to support their families and advance themselves.

      He assigned them to write a short essay on the topic of “My Hero”. One student raised her hand and asked, “Who is your hero, Mr. McCourt?”

      “You are. Each and every one of you.”

      • Cattleya1

        I have traveled quite a bit in my time and I am truly amazed at the gumption these people have to pick up and move to country where almost everybody is talking way too fast in another language. I is quite an alarming place to find yourself.

  • james1200

    Look at that sassy little White Supremacist queen Tom Cotton standing proudly next to his Führer! We see you Senator Cotton, we see you!

    http://gawker.com/why-do-so-many-people-in-arkansas-not-believe-tom-cotto-1695370482
    “”Beard,” says one matter-of-fact comment on an Arkansas Times story about Cotton’s marriage. “He had to do something to counter those anti women rants he had during his college years,”a commenter named BUD says on a local news story announcing Cotton’s marriage. “And to counter that nagging gay thing.”

    Cotton’s marriage is a particular bug-a-boo amongst certain citizens of Arkansas. Cotton and Anna Peckham announced their marriage abruptly in March of last year, and his office was so unusually evasive about the details that the Arkansas Times wrote that entire article about it. To people in Arkansas who are perhaps already skeptical of Cotton as a politician, the marriage seemed sudden and suspicious, as if Cotton was working to complete a checklist as quickly as possible. The announcement of Anna’s pregnancy just seven months after their marriage certainly hasn’t helped matters. “He only got married so people would think he’s not gay,” said the same high school classmate. “You can tell by the way he walks and talks.”

    • james1200

      I died at “you can tell by the way he walks and talks”, lol!

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
    • Jonathan Smith
      • Kruhn

        Not Godines from El Chavo del Ocho! Good childhood memories.

    • Todd20036

      Maybe they should get out and vote for the party that gives a damn about them.

    • Michael White

      I find it interesting that when I was in grade school (1957-65)taught by polish nuns they told us to learn Spanish, if we did not learn Latin so we could be priests and nuns) because it would be the second language of the USA in our life times. Smart women.

    • clay

      There are only 6 out the 3000+ counties (LA parishes, VA independent cities, AK judicial districts, included) that do NOT include a Spanish speaking household. In the vast majority of US counties (or equivalents) the most common secondary language used in the home is Spanish.

    • ElenorRigby

      and THAT is what they’re trying to stop. This is the last gasp of white, Anglo-Saxon people as they try to stop the cultural evolution of their formerly lily-white country.

    • Keroleen

      True enough. It’s so common that when sites do those demographic breakdowns for fun of which non-English language is most prevalent in what state, Spanish is exempted because otherwise there wouldn’t be anything else.

  • Frostbite

    Because Trump speak English goodly?

    • netxtown

      bigly

    • ChrisInKansas

      He’s the best, the best English speaker in the history of English. He knows English better than anyone, believe me.

      • Dale Snyder

        …and bigly words. The best words.

  • Ninja0980

    Nothing like a little racism and xenophobia to start the day off right?

  • Jonathan Smith
  • Jonathan Smith

    so does this mean all those people he wants visas for in Mar-a-spazo can’t get in?

  • Lumpy Gaga

    So we’re officially a labor camp now. Got it.

  • pch1013

    Ya tengo ganas de hablar sólo español, sobretodo cuando estoy alrededor de pendejos republicanos.

  • Todd20036

    Meanwhile Trump’s base couldn’t speak proper English at gunpoint.

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    Trump cult members will be screaming at their TV’s FUCK YEAH! and not realizing that immigrants can’t get benefits.

    And since American doesn’t actually have an official language, how can you require something of immigrants that is not a requirement for citizens?

    With this and the “White People Discrimination” focus that Sessions announced, this really feels like Trump is aggressively going after the most vile instincts in his base.

    Is this simply deflection to keep the left outraged and not talking about obstruction of justice, or is this perhaps Bannon’s doings to further Nazify the WH?

    • Ninja0980

      Both.

    • pch1013

      What Trump and his cultists don’t seem to realize is that this is *precisely* the sort of immigration policy that many European countries have.

      They want us to be like Europe.

      So much for American exceptionalism.

      • zhera

        Really? I’ve never heard of a language requirement for immigrants in Europe. Maybe because in Europe it’s common to know at least two languages.
        Immigration is a difficult subject in Europe due to the large numbers of refugees and how people mix up the two. In Norway, for instance, the largest number of immigrants come from Sweden but you never hear anyone complain about the Swedes…

    • FAEN

      Plus I’ve met plenty of immigrants who have a much better command of the English language than a lot of Americans do.

      • Cipher

        And many speak Math and Science…

      • clay

        Many of my ESL student have more disciplined written English than do my native speaking students.

        • Jamie_Johnson

          The best education I received speaking and writing English was in my high school Spanish class.

          • BudClark

            Just so. I had to learn English grammar BEFORE I could learn Latin.

          • BudClark

            But, it must be noted that I was raised in the Deep South in the 1940s – 1950s, when “recitation” was a part of every school day … texts memorized in the ORIGINAL languages (!). ENGLISH wasn’t a problem because we were steeped in the King James Bible, the 1549 Book of Common Prayer, and Richard Hooker’s MONUMENTAL “Of the Lawes of Ecclesiastical Politie” which was ALSO taught in English LITERTURE classes as the first tentative flowering of the English NOVEL (!).

      • Cattleya1

        You mean like 45? He is not fluent in any language.

        • FAEN

          Ah but he’s fluent in BS. The best BS.

      • Kruhn

        Amen!

    • Gustav2

      And they are being so subtle about going for their base.

    • Crazy Russian

      English proficiency *is* a requirement for naturalization, though. With exemptions for disabled and elderly, but still.

      • BobSF_94117

        Don’t get the GOPers hyperventilating at the prospect of these people becoming citizens…

        • Crazy Russian

          This one already did 🙂

      • Kruhn

        And knowing the basics of the American political system.

  • The_Wretched

    Every study that I’m aware of says immigrant “ROI” is 5 years. They do not hurt the economy and have crime rates lower than the non-migrant population. This is another one of those idiotic republican policies that hurt our nation and make worse problems that they say they are trying to solve.

    • Tawreos

      Yes, but they need to please the ignorant rednecks that do commit all of the crimes that then get blamed on immigrants happy

      • While we’re on the topic of poor white people, can someone explain to me why I’m supposed to suddenly feel bad for poor rural white people who are drug addicts when no one has given a shit for all the urban minority drug addicts for the past 50 years? (For what it’s worth I do have some sympathy on all of them but I find the whole “Holy crap now it’s happening to white people so we have to care!” thing annoying.

        • Jonathan Smith

          yeah, but now they are dRumps base

        • clay

          . . . and that only works while one ignores all of the support systems that HAVE been provided in Appalachia.

    • Considering that even the most minor infraction can get them deported, it doesn’t surprise me that they are less likely to commit crimes.

  • FAEN

    Not xenophobic at all.

    • TexasBoy

      That is a big word, you’ll need to explain that one to our “English-speaking” President.

      • Jonathan Smith

        “you no like other people”

      • FAEN

        So true.

  • barrixines
    • Tawreos

      Are those clones and why the hell would someone clone that?

    • pch1013

      South and Central America – once they were done vomiting – had no comment.

    • Michael White

      they would turn a str8 man gay.

      • Todd20036

        They would turn lesbians straight.

        They would make asexuals gloat!

    • Todd20036

      Ok. Step slowly away from the buffet….

    • ChrisInKansas

      I don’t like fat shaming anyone. BUT…this is just the kind of American that’s going to cost our health care system hundreds of thousands of dollars with diabetes complications, heart problems, etc.

      On the other hand, they will keep the scooter industry alive.

    • Tomcat

      I wonder how they would have reacted if the immigrants called ALL of them FAT ASSES.

      • Jonathan Smith

        they wouldn’t understand them…..
        Culo gordo,
        Жирная задница

      • PickyPecker

        Well, that IS in English, so….

    • BobSF_94117

      So many of the folks who are butthurt about “foreign languages” seem to be of German extraction. I sometimes wonder if they’re real beef is that German was forcibly suppressed because of WWII.

      • Ernest Endevor

        Let’s not forget that German was almost declared our official language.

        • Vidrax

          That’s a very popular myth, especially in Germany, but it’s not true: http://www.snopes.com/language/apocryph/german.asp

          • Ernest Endevor

            Damn. I read that in a history of Ben Franklin’s grandson and the Sedition Act called American Aurora. I loved the book. It’s hilarious about John Adams sulking and flouncing about when the Parisians liked Ben more than he. Well if it isn’t true it should be true. I’m just going to ignore reality. Won’t be the first time. But thanks for the heads-up. Glad to see that snopes will survive to embarrass us all another day.

    • Derrick Johns

      Now, learn heart disease and high blood pressure.

  • Tawreos

    It looks like Trump is taking the requirements he has for bringing in foreign workers to work in his resorts and taking them nationwide. I bet the original bill came from one of his resorts manuals.

  • Michael R
  • Måste de bara kunna prata engelska, för om det är regeln så skulle min farfar ha kunnat göra det. Men enligt folkräkningsrekord lärde han sig aldrig läsa eller skriva engelska.

  • Jeffg166

    It would be nice if he set an example and used English as well.

  • bambinoitaliano

    So if we round up Mar-a Largo employees and test their ‘English Speaking” skills, will the shit gibbon let go of those cheap labor that does not “Speak English”?

  • Publius

    This is the Canadian system. This is basically the immigration system of every country American liberals wish our country was like.

    • The_Wretched

      oh hai. You’re a brand new poster with a sealed (and short) history. I’ll take your representations with a grain of salt. And Canada has a higher immigration per capita than we do.

      • Publius

        I’ve been a JMG reader for nine years. Sorry that hearing a different opinion caused you to jump to conclusions about who I am and what I’m doing here.

        To reply to your edit: Okay? Can you immigrate to Canada without speaking English or French?

        • BobSF_94117

          Yes, you certainly can as a refugee.

          • Publius

            Again, you know the difference. You’re using an outlier to support a broad based policy proposal.

          • BobSF_94117

            You’re pretending that a requirement for one kind of Canadian immigrant is representative of all Canadian immigration, when it’s not. Though more open to immigration that the U.S., Canada has a very similar system to what exists in the U.S. This bill CHANGES the U.S. system.

          • Publius

            Canada’s immigration system is fundamentally different than ours. Canada’s system, despite Prime Minister Trudeau’s kind eyes at the sight of an immigrant, is much more restrictive than it gets credit for. Ours, as messed up as it is, has allowed for much more immigration, legal and illegal, than would ever be tolerated in similarly modern countries.

            The refugee point is pointless. Refugees are outliers.

    • Tomcat

      Canada opened her doors to the Syrian refugees that we refused.
      I am betting some of them do not speak English.

      • Publius

        Refugees are completely different. Does that really need explaining?

        • BobSF_94117

          This bill cuts refugee immigration by half. So, yeah, something does need explaining.

          • Publius

            It doesn’t. Refugees have always (to my knowledge) been exempt from most immigration requirements expected of ordinary immigrants. You’re not a stupid person. You know there’s a huge difference.

          • BobSF_94117

            Read articles about this bill. It cuts refugee immigration by half. It’s despicable and unconscionable, given our role in creating so many refugees. It also cuts legal immigration by half, in addition to betraying the promise of family reunification.

            This bill is designed to meet the needs of businesses who won’t pay their American workers a decent wage, at every level of of pay, from software engineers to Trump’s hotel maids.

          • Publius

            I won’t dispute that the Devil is in the details with this legislation. I’m sure it contains a number of provisions satisfying a conservative wish list — those details should be resisted when necessary. But what I’m addressing is the sort of system the administration wants, which is a more organized system that invites immigrants based on labor force needs, and with language requirements.

            Every single modern country has a system like this. And I would say most Americans also want one, or at least before they realize Donald Trump wants one too.

          • BobSF_94117

            It’s dishonest to say that every country has this system. Some countries have a system that incorporates policies that encourage skilled immigrants. Explain why it is that we need such a thing? Is this country empty? Have we exhausted our supply of potential hotel maids?

            I don’t object to some immigration to fill tech jobs, but the companies which used to use H1B for truly skilled people in areas where there weren’t enough local candidates now use the same process for jobs that can be filled by U.S. citizens and residents. They do it to cut costs.

          • BobSF_94117

            You keep saying other countries have this system when they don’t. Canada has ONE process that’s like this. They also have family reunification, a refugee stream, and an immigration stream limited in number open to people from around the world REGARDLESS OF THEIR ABILITY TO SPEAK ENGLISH OR FRENCH. Just like we do. Trump is talking about restricting the last three.

    • stevenj

      I don’t know anything about Canada’s immigration system or requirements but when I went to the Vancouver World’s Fair in the late 80’s all announcements over the public address system to fairgoers were first in French and then English. It gave me the impression there were 2 national languages. Can a French speaking person who knows very little English immigrate to Canada?

      • Publius

        Yes, absolutely. As long as you are a particular degree of proficient in at least one of the languages, then you’re good to go.

  • shellback

    Let’s revive Polari just to piss off his followers.

  • Treant

    My very distant ancestor, Balthazar, arrived on American soil speaking very little English. His three sons did most of the translation for business purposes. I’m descended from the eldest, Johann.

  • bambinoitaliano

    Coming from the guy who type covfefe. Where are the ICE to toss this illegal(in so many ways) simian out of the country?!!!

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN
  • Macbill

    That’s why Trump’s Mar-a-Largo resort asked for HB-2 visas for seasonal workers. They can’t find any real Americans willing to work, they say.
    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/20/the-foreign-workers-of-mar-a-lago

  • Hank

    the RAISE Act… essen Zie scheiss!!!

  • PickyPecker
    • Joe in PA

      The lower case “i” is a nice touch in an all-cap sign.

      • pch1013

        “Stranczek” .. is that Ojibwe, Menominee, or what?

        • Joe in PA

          I see what you did there. 🙂

    • Tomcat

      Yeah, that is priceless. And redneck.

    • Treant

      Chester “the language molester” Stranczek sounds kinda furrin to me…

      • pch1013

        He grew up speaking Polish. Later, he decided to mix water from a poisoned well into his town’s water supply, to cut costs.

        He’s dead now.

        One guess which party he belonged to.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_Stranczek

      • TexasBoy

        Sounds like the Mayor is of Czech or Polish heritage. I wonder, were all of his ancestors fluent in English when they arrived here?

      • Kruhn

        Yeah that Chester Stranczek sounds like a Polack! Can we start with the Polish jokes?

        • Treant

          Poles? Spin or magnetic?

    • Bad Tom

      Spelling and kerning, however, are total strangers.

    • jerry

      Yeah, should have read, “No Excretions.”

      • Bad Tom

        Urinetown, for real.

      • Derrick Johns

        I think so. I don’t want no excretions and no stinking badges. Oh, what has this orange done to our country? And I’m talking about Trump and Bannon…both.

  • TexasBoy

    I have several cousins who were adopted as Children from Germany. They didn’t speak English when they arrived here. In fact, most of my Grandmother’s generation, though born here, to American parents, spoke German in their household and had to learn English to go to school. My great-Grandmother…also born here, never learned English, and always spoke German. Many of the towns in my local area still have German-speakers, along with Spanish, and Czech.

    • That’s how it’s always been. Stories abound in my family of the children having to read things for their parents who didn’t read English, and that’s from the 19th century. This has always been this way. People don’t know their own family’s history or they might be a bit more sympathetic to the newest wave of immigrants. Or maybe not. There has been a serious push to normalize sociopathy over the last century. See: Rand, Ayn.

  • PickyPecker
    • Treant

      My mother has mentioned this, actually, when she treats herself and gets her nails done (once a year, perhaps, usually as a gift on her birthday). She’s uncomfortable with manicurists who babble to others in other languages because she’s never quite sure whether they’re saying something about her.

      That’s an understandable concern, but not one anybody feels we need to make a law about.

      • PickyPecker

        and remember: if they don’t speak English, just say things louder and slower. Works like a charm.

        • Slower is sometimes helpful if they speak some English. My pronunciation in French, German and Italian is pretty good (years of private coachings will do that) so people often assume I’m more fluent than I am. And then they ramp up the speed and I’m lost.

          • Treant

            Ditto with me in Spanish and German. I haven’t used either in so long that you’d better move at quarter speed and speak to me the way you would a three year old.

          • You also may have to wait for me to go through the rolodex in my head of the word or phrase I’m looking for in several languages before I get to the language I’m trying to speak. I used to think it was odd in opera rehearsals when people would drift through 2-3 languages in the same sentence. Now I fully understand. You just say what you know how to say and most people there understood so it was fine.

          • Treant

            It does depend. My one cousin is fluent in English, Swedish (father), Greek (grandfather), and picked up Spanish from school.

            She shifts on a dime…but that’s apparently common with native speakers of any given language set. Anything she learns as an adult will require the Magic Rolodex you and I have. 🙂

        • Treant

          It does help. If you speak to me loudly, slowly, and using very simple words in Spanish or German, I can usually bull my way through what you’re saying. Eventually.

          But you do have to make the words simple, clear, and slow enough for me to translate. I have no skill at languages at all.

      • They probably are. So what of it. I have on occasion busted people for this. I was once on an elevator in Manhattan and two women were discussing in German whether I was gay or not. I pretended not to understand them until the door opened my floor and then busted them auf deutsch as I left. That is indeed rude, but people do it all the time.

        • Treant

          People do tend to be a bit paranoid about these things, but you can usually tell if somebody’s speaking about you just by the way they act.

          ‘Round here, you never cat on somebody in Spanish, German or Pennsylvania Dutch. You simply can’t tell who might or might not understand you perfectly well.

          • Adam King

            In my experience, if you treat people with warmth and kindness they don’t say bad things about you anyway.

          • Xuuths

            Who knew simple courtesy was the solution?

        • madknits

          I’ve done it in ASL on the green line train passing Northeastern University, which has one of the best ASL programs in the country (all my teachers were Deaf). Someone was saying disparaging things about me in Sign, and when I left the train, I Signed, “That’s a very nice sweater you are wearing.”

          • Jonathan Smith

            probably not the direction i would have taken that…… 🙂

          • madknits

            The looks on their faces when they realised I could understand them was priceless.

  • Adam Schmidt

    I’m going to say some stuff that may not be popular but I’m trying my best to just be honest and forthright about how I feel and what I’ve experienced.

    I feel that the United States is predominately an English speaking country and while it should be tremendously encouraged to know a second (or third) language, English really is needed to get by here. Now that being said, I’m not saying it should be a requirement to come to the States, just that once here it is something that one should learn. Just like if I immigrated to France, I’d expect that I should have to learn French. And I do believe that most people who come to the U.S. do in fact learn English. But I did say “most” and I also believe that there is a sizable group that instead move into insular communities that predominately speak the language that they know and avoid learning English, mostly among older immigrants.

    When you move to a country, it’s totally appropriate to bring along your culture and share it with the people of your new country. But it’s also part of your job to adopt at least some of the culture of the people you’re now living with. Move to Sweden, learn Swedish and learn to appreciate fish for dinner. If you don’t want to learn Swedish, then why are you moving to Sweden?

    Now I’m totally prepared to be shown I’m wrong in feeling the way I do. I’ve made a point of saying that I “feel” and I “believe” because I don’t have facts to back up what I’ve said. I haven’t done research into the immigrant experience in the United States. I do however strongly believe that we make it far too difficult for people to immigrate and become U.S. citizens.

    • Of course it is. Job opportunities are limited if you don’t speak English fluently and for that matter if you can’t reduce your accent to a point where you are understandable. Everyone knows that. No one here so far as I know is discouraging anyone from learning English. I do get annoyed, however, an monolingual people who bash those who haven’t quite mastered English yet. Also, monolingual Americans annoy me anyway.

      • Adam Schmidt

        Now on that one I can speak from personal experience. I work in software development and have worked with contractors in and from India, Mexico, and Croatia. Their English isn’t always great but I always am patient with them and ask politely if I don’t understand and will make a point to say to them that their English is far better than my Hindi/Spanish/Croatian. They’re the one that has made the effort to learn to speak my language, the least I can do is be patient and courteous.

    • BobSF_94117

      Fine. You feel that way. The vast majority of people do exactly as you would want them to. The only exceptions you note are old people, the grandparents of younger immigrants. You want they should be left to die in their native countries without their families, just to make you feel better?

      • Adam Schmidt

        No, I didn’t say that and there’s no need to go on the offensive here. I’ve made a point to be open-minded and even went so far as to say that what I felt isn’t based on fact. If you can’t speak to me about this, someone who actually wants to hear what you have to say, then how will you or anyone else persuade Trump supporters that their feelings are based on bullshit talking points paraded by FOX.

        Yes, older people should come with their families to the States as their families move here. And yes, those same older people should learn English when they move here. I know it’s harder on them. I get that. But when you move to another country, you learn the language.

        I live in the greater Atlanta metro. There are parts of town here where English is rarely spoken. Some areas are highly Hispanic while there’s also a thriving Koreatown along Buford Highway. I can absolutely understand that when moving to a strange place with people that speak a different language than you that you’d want to be near people that are like you and speak the same language that you do. It would be comforting, reassuring, and frankly easier. And yet I feel it also hinders acculturation. If all you’re doing when you move to another country is to live with a group of people that enable you to continue to live as you did, speak as you did, and not assimilate, then why did you move there?

        • Adam King

          Historically, immigrants develop neighborhoods where their native language is spoken. But their children are bilingual, and their children’s children often know little of their grandparents’ native language. Assimilation is a multi-generational process.

        • Câl

          I can only speak for these sorts of communities in the UK but while they speak their own language among themselves they usually speak at least some English too, at least the young and those working in shops etc. This is how both the US and the UK have evolved into the countries they are now, and the languages have evolved too, changing a bit with each group of immigrants, becoming the diverging languages that they were before movies and TV brought them closer together again.

        • BobSF_94117

          Yes, older people should come with their families to the States as their
          families move here. And yes, those same older people should learn
          English when they move here.

          And most will. And it’s been happening that way for over a century. This bill will STOP grandparents from coming here. Same with uncles and aunts and cousins.

          I guess you’re taking this bill as an opportunity to vent about Koreans, Chinese, and speakers of Spanish in Atlanta. Your timing is difficult for me to understand, if you don’t support this bill.

          • Adam Schmidt

            I’m trying to have a conversation about immigration and assimilation. I believe immigration should be made easier. I also believe that people moving to the United States should learn English within a reasonable time frame after they move here. Yes, that includes the elderly. I believe that enclaves inhibit acculturation the same way that if I moved to say France, and used English and lived among American ex-pats that it would inhibit my acculturation to my new country.

            And given that most folks in this thread have been saying that most immigrants do in fact learn English in a few years (albeit without any sources so it may just be a hopeful belief) is a very positive thing and I’m glad to hear it. But if I can’t even say that yes, immigrants to the United States should learn English after moving here without being perceived as anti-immigrant or racist, just how do you expect to convince any of the bigots in the GOP who want to shut down immigration (particularly of brown people)?

            After of course stealing land from the people who were here first and slavery, this country was founded on the idea that you came to this country to become an American. That you might be a German-American or an Italian-American or an Irish-American but whatever was on the first part of that hyphen, the second half was American. The great melting pot that by people bringing to America what makes them unique means contributing something new to the melting pot but it’s also about becoming part of that “stew”.

    • Cipher

      “Re: But it’s also part of your job to adopt at least some of the culture of the people you’re now living with.”

      Okay, so here is the issue that I see. In the USA, which “people you’re now living with” are we talking about? The German-Americans who want to celebrate Octoberfest and drink beer? Mexican Americans? African Americans? Chinese Americans? Italian Americans? Greek Americans?

      My feeling is that many people who talk about “American culture” really mean “white, middle-class American culture as exemplified by mass media outlets”. The problem I see is that this reduces, marginalizes and eliminates millions of Americans who are no less “American”, many of whom have been here for generations.

      • Adam Schmidt

        Well, I’ll just pick one of those off the top… Mexican-Americans. What’s the biggest holiday celebrated here in the U.S. associated with Mexican-Americans? Cinco de Mayo. A holiday that isn’t really celebrated in Mexico. Oh and what’s the main holiday associated with Italian-Americans? Columbus Day. Not exactly a great guy there. Our perception of multiculturalism is heavily skewed by pop-culture, advertising, and the media.

        On the other hand, I’m sure you’re not suggesting that I could move to France, not learn French, ignore any aspects of French culture, and that this would be perfectly ok.

        • Cipher

          I’m suggesting that it is a mistake to equate the USA with, for example, France. This has never been a nation with a single culture. I have lived in states with a large German heritage (Ohio), a large Italian heritage (RI),a large Irish heritage (MA) and a large Arab heritage (MI). People show up and assimilate over time, sometimes a generation or two removed from the nation of origin. That is part and parcel of my definition of “American”.

    • Survey Programmer

      Based on the experience of myself and my husband when we immigrated to Canada from the U.S., the Canadian system is a very fair points-based system that ensures Canada welcomes not only refugees but highly qualified immigrants. Applicants are expected to be fairly fluent in English or French to improve smooth assimilation into Canadian culture alongside their culture and language or origin. Points are awarded for your educational and professional background that will make positive contributions to Canada (i.e., teachers, medical professionals, , technology experts, artists, etc). One can lose points on their application if they are past a certain age (55, I think), as it means you will soon be a drain on the retirement and healthcare system without having spent much time contributing. Immediate family members are given priority over extended family. If your points add up, you’re in. Many on this blog often point to their admiration of how Canada is run socially and politically. This is one more example of the phrase “Canada: America Done Better.”

    • clay

      “I also believe that there is a sizable group that instead move into insular communities that predominately speak the language that they know and avoid learning English, mostly among older immigrants.”

      Those insular communities are much smaller and fewer in number than in the past. Immigrants to the US are generally fluent in 5 years, about the same time it takes someone born in the US to be fluent in English. Because of the mass of electronic English media, even most immigrants to Franco-phone Quebec are fluent in English in 5 years. Your reference to older immigrants points out a confusing point in this bill– support themselves and their families– including older parents? do their infant children need to be fluent in English and be able to financially support themselves? How does this apply to sponsored family visas?

      • Adam Schmidt

        Let me clarify, I’m not in favor of this bill. I don’t think that you should have to be English fluent to move to the U.S. I do feel that learning English should be a priority once you move here (and it probably is for the vast majority of immigrants).

        I can’t say with certainty but I perceive that the Korean, Hispanic, and Chinese neighborhoods here in the Atlanta area have grown larger over the 20 years I’ve lived here. Perhaps Atlanta is an outlier or perhaps my perception is incorrect.

        • clay

          In Philly (and in Atlanta), those ethno-linguistic neighborhoods have expanded spatially, but have become significantly more porous, as well. The Hispanic population of Atlanta has grown rapidly during that time, but it has been fed by Central American, as well as Mexican populations, many of whom are bilingual Spanish-(Amerindian), and they are becoming increasingly scattered in smaller groups in the suburbs than was the case of immigrant groups in, say, 1900.

  • Tomcat

    “The Raise Act will favor green card applicants who can speak English, financially support themselves, contribute to economy” Asians excused from this requirement of course.

  • GayOldLady

    Baciami il culo

  • TrueWords

    These are the little things that has Trump supporters SALIVATING…it is SO simple what he is doing because he is SO simple minded…

    • Halou

      Something to distract from his humiliation earlier in the day?

      • TrueWords

        What time? I mean the day is young in Trumpville?

  • Talisman

    The jokes write themselves.

  • TrueWords

    The BEST ENDORSEMENT TO NOT “speak English”…

    http://s3.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/8/4/3/622843_v1.jpg

    • We’ve all played that trick at least once while traveling abroad, no? Well played, Akie Abe. Well played.

      • AmeriCanadian

        I did it in reverse in France. Too many tourists asking me questions in English, like I’m their frickin’ tour guide. If you can’t begin by saying Bonjour or Excusez-moi while in a French speaking country, then you need to learn to make do yourself.

        • My first time in Germany was in 1984. I couldn’t have looked (to Germany anyway) more American with my Levi jeans, Nike shoes and Polo shirt. But I guess to American tourists I looked German? Oy.

          (On more recent trips, the only people who didn’t clock me as an American were the Asian immigrants.)

          • AmeriCanadian

            I purposely dress European when I travel to Europe. Nothing is more embarrassing to me than to be pegged as an American, especially in this political climate. Parisians think I’m British. I hate having to correct them. But now I can claim to be Canadian and I’m only half lying. 😉

          • Joe in PA

            A co-worker of mine was skiing in the Alps…she was doing something with her skis in the lodge and after listening to a sea of languages she overheard someone speaking English. When she said something like “oh, you speak English” (to this brit), he looks at here and responds in a completely deadpan way: yes, and much better than you do.

            Ouch.

          • I was mistaken for Canadian several times in Belgium in 2003 because I spoke passable French with a North American accent. I didn’t correct them because I really had discussed Iraq as much as I wanted to already.

          • Joe in PA

            I’ve told this story before…I was on a business trip…driving a German licensed rent-a-car. I entered Italy and need gas…the attendant spoke to me in Italian, I answered in Italian, he then spoke to me in German, I answered in German, he then spoke to me in English. Fuuuuck…talk about feeling like the dumb American. 🙁

          • I was once checking into a hotel room in Munich and listened to the desk clerk (whom I later learned was Bulgarian) check people in using Japanese, French and English. I think she could do that routine in about a dozen languages. Not sure she could do more than that. Part of her job but it was impressive nonetheless.

          • William

            You were wearing the “Abduct me, I’m American” wardrobe. I always try to blend in with the locals.

          • Dom Saunders

            To some Japanese people, I look Kenyan. Nope, disregard my clearly American accent, I must be from somewhere in Africa because I’m black. As if we can’t be literally anywhere else.

            The death glare I gave that woman after she said that, my host mom had to intervene and later laughed about it. I mean, sure, it was funny, but seriously?

          • I once asked a Germany why I was so easily identified as an American and he said he wasn’t sure but it was probably the way we walk and sit. He also told me that he could tell African American people (this wasn’t far from an American base so there were Americans around a lot) from an African. Now that I have met a lot of people from Africa, I see what he means. Americans don’t stand, sit or walk like Europeans or Africans. I’m sure someone who studies this in more detail has a better vocabulary for this, but our body language is much less formal and relaxed.

            Completely unrelated but I think people from West Africa speak the most beautiful English I hear from anyone. It’s a lovely accent that I enjoy hearing.

          • Dom Saunders

            I think just about any foreign accent is enjoyable to hear, at least for me. A guy could tell me to take out the trash, but if I hear it in Spanish, French, or even Japanese, and depending on the delivery, I’d probably tell him to just take me now, lol

          • Kruhn

            Japan is a very insular and relatively homogenous society. They can be culturally insensitive to the point of racism. After all the word gaijin is akin to the “N”-word. Have you seen their depiction of African people in anime

          • Dom Saunders

            Firstly, yes, I have, and it’s a crapshoot at best with their characters (some are decent), and no, gaijin is not similar to the N-word. Foreigners are hardly getting beat up and killed over being foreigners. Don’t be this blatantly ignorant.

          • Kruhn

            My apologies, comparing the two words was, as you pointed out ignorant. Please forgive my boorishness.

        • TrueWords

          Tu viens souvent ici?

          Je veux t’offrir un verre.

          Te es seul?

          • AmeriCanadian

            Sur cette site-ci? Oui, de plus en plus. J’aime bien JMG. Je trouve que la plupart des bloguers de JMG sont assez intelligents et polis, pas comme des autres sites que je visitais. Non, je ne suis pas seul. J’ai un époux qui est Canadien. Il y a douze ans depuis notre marriage.

          • TrueWords

            J’aime aussi JMG; félicitations pour votre mariage.

            Moi aussi, je suis marié et c’est merveilleux.

        • pch1013

          My first time in Italy, while I was wandering around Bologna I literally had four Italians stop me and ask me for directions. And I’m about as Italian-looking as… a totally non-Italian-looking person.

          • TrueWords

            As someone who is mixed Black, White (German and French) and hispanic (Puerto Rican and Cuban) with a little Chinese..I get asked many questions when I travel in Europe…but luckily I can speak French, German, Spanish, Italian and some Dutch.

        • Jonathan Smith

          the FIRST sentence i learned in Germany was Entschuldigen Sie sprechen Sie Englisch? oh, and followed by “ein Bier bitte” until i learned German. the funny thing was EVERY German wanted to practice their English on me 🙂

          • TrueWords

            Bist du alleine hier?

          • Jonathan Smith

            Ja und arent du sexy
            i had ALOT of fun in Germany 🙂

          • TrueWords

            I married a German man…born and raised in East Germany (from behind the wall) until he was 20 years old…I love it when dad visits here and we are all speaking German…he is so warm and accepting…

            Also Germany is LOTS of fun and the men are sexy…

            http://www.setcelebs.com/images/ronald-zehrfeld-02.jpg

            This is Roland…a good friend of mine…he is an actor; he has been in some well received and well praised movies: “Phoenix” and “Barbara” (a favorite of mine it shows you what life was like behind the wall and the desire to leave but what happens when you can not)…do check them out

          • Jonathan Smith

            why thank you. My personal favorite German was my Mother-in-Law. couldn’t speak a lick of English, but good GOD could that woman COOK!

          • TrueWords

            Yes, my husband too takes the reins in the kitchen…I so love that…the meals are always filling and nutritious…made from whole foods never processed he scoffs at the notion of Americanized foods and NOT preparing a meal…it is disgusting to him…

          • A friend of mine (departed these many years now) butchered the German language even though he spent the better part of a decade in Munich. I have to give him snaps for trying but I’d crack up every time he said “En-schewing-gum” instead of entschuldigung. And he was no better in French, he would call someone a “vous etres” meaning to say I suppose “vedette”

          • Jonathan Smith

            oh, don’t get me wrong, i was never able to speak like a native, but they appreciated my trying.

      • Dagoril

        Hell I play it in my daily life if the stranger is an ass 😉 And I’m a pinche gabacho 😉

    • Karl Dubhe

      Being able to give a speech, doesn’t necessarily include being fluent.

      I could easily work my way thru giving a speech in French. But if anyone asked me questions, I’d be screwed. 🙂

      • TrueWords

        Alors vous êtes un passif?

        • Karl Dubhe

          I’m not totally daft about understanding it. 🙂

          Having a chat in person, then it’d become an issue.

          And wouldn’t you use the feminine for that conjugation?

          • Steve Smith

            I think if you were asking questions like that you’d have moved beyond “vous”, T’es ……….?

  • Halou

    привет товарищ.

  • liondon#iamnotatraitor

    wait…what?

  • Gigi

    Trump’s own wife wouldn’t have gotten into the country if the “Speak English” bill had been in place when she snuck in arrived.

    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      the new law wont apply to hot euro-hookers

      • Cipher

        As long as they pass the pee-pee test? I hear it’s being given in the Oval Office. No scat though. The place is already “a dump”.

  • Stogiebear

    I’m pretty sure that’s a rock he has no business throwing at anybody else’s glass house.

  • bambinoitaliano

    Hmmmmm if they apply the English Speaking test on those white trash in the country, it might actually reduce the number of deplorables, racists, and Nazis in the country. That might help erode the base of the shit gibbon and the GOP.

    • Hank

      They would most definitely fail using english grammar!!!

      • bambinoitaliano

        Ma gramma spoken inglis. Butt she dead and long gone. Blest her sole.

  • Ninja0980
    • Stephen Elliot Phillips

      for what? the budget ceiling??

      • Ninja0980

        This bill.

  • Hank

    How many American Tourists, go to another country and even bother to LEARN basic phrases…. please, thank you, how much….?? I went to Italy in March and spent 3 months using an on-line course for just the basics. I was shocked, that, since, the last time I was there, English was spoken by Italians everywhere.!!! My last trip 20 years ago, I got by on my French.

    • You see it a lot. Another hint for first time travelers: Please, thank you, excuse me and the standard greetings will earn you a lot of goodwill even if you can’t say anything else and even if the people you are dealing with speak English. Not even knowing how to say thank you is inexcusable.

      • AmeriCanadian

        Trust me, when Americans open their mouths, everyone knows who they are. Most foreigners will switch to English immediately. But walking up to a complete stranger in a non-English-speaking foreign country and addressing them in English is rude, plain and simple.

        • Hank

          Je suis complément en accord avec toi!

        • Adam King

          I found the gendarmes in Paris very helpful when I got lost or confused. (I’m lost or confused a lot, too.)

          • AmeriCanadian

            I can only imagine that you used at least minimal French or you are very attractive (or both!). 😉 Seriously, I find Parisians to be extremely friendly but it’s probably because I can get by speaking only in French. I make lots of errors but they seem more amused by it than annoyed. They never switch to English which I consider a compliment.

          • MusicBear88

            When I was in France, I was only corrected twice when speaking French (one of which involved an exchange over matches; I had asked for a “packet” of them and they didn’t have cheap cardboard matches like we do here at the time, just wooden ones, so I was corrected to a “box” of matches). When I go to Canada, it takes me a few hours to adjust my vowels and then I can usually get by without them switching to English, at least in Montréal.

          • AmeriCanadian

            I learned French from a Parisian when I lived in the U.S. It’s difficult for me even today to try to understand Québec French. She told me it’s because the Québécois broke away in the 1600’s and the language was “frozen” from that point in time.

          • MusicBear88

            When I first went to Québec City, I was standing with my Parisian-born French teacher and somebody spoke a couple of sentences to us. She looked at me and asked “did you get that? I didn’t.”

          • Adam King

            My minimal French was a pitiful thing indeed. “Oo…ey…lah…Louver?”

          • Hank

            When I lived abroad in my student days, most Parisians had studied English, however as much as they may have understood, they did not feel comfortable speaking it. Even in my beginning years, with learning and speaking, I got a lot of respect and was even corrected, when necessary.
            In Amsterdam, I would have bi-lingual conversations, with me speaking Dutch and the Amsterdamers speaking English! I needed practice, so I refused to drop into English. Veel bedank, mijnheer. 😉

        • Karl Dubhe

          I dunno about that. I’ve walked up to people in Australia and the UK and spoke English to them. They didn’t think me to be rude. The ones who I met in Fiji started out by speaking English. 🙂

        • jmax

          Not just the way we speak. A waiter in Paris once told a friend of mine that he could tell he was American by the way he “carried himself”. Apparently it’s possible to walk like an asshole too 🙂

        • Even in Holland, Denmark and Sweden where everyone seems to speak English, I still apologized for not speaking their language and thanked them for helping me in English.

      • Ninja0980

        And don’t do things like thumbs up or the OK sign.
        They have VERY different meetings then they do here.

      • Adam King

        (When I read your comment my brain glitched and skipped the word “first,” and I was like, “Time travelers? Time travelers?”)

        • clay

          What, you didn’t get the key-code with your gay card?

          • Adam King

            Oh THAT’S what it’s for. I wondered why the dates on my Gay Agenda were all out of order.

      • barrixines

        Unless you are visiting Spain where please, thank you and excuse me are regarded as mere frippery.

      • Keroleen

        I haven’t traveled nearly as much as I would like, but when I was younger I collected a small vocabulary for a number of languages just in case. It usually consisted of hello, goodbye, please, thank you, and I’m sorry, I don’t speak [insert language here]. It seemed the least I could do.

        • Very few of us have the ability (or time) to become proficient in 8 or 9 languages. And honestly the Dutch, the Danes and many others don’t expect it. But it’s rude to show up without even knowing how to say thank you. I could have learned that on the plane or train or whatever.

          What I learned in all that traveling was that good manners earn you a large amount of good will and can turn around a difficult situation. (That said, service people are not nearly as gruff and cranky in some countries as they are in the US. Maybe because they are earning a living wage. My best tip for European travel is to take advantage of those tourist offices in/near all main train stations. They have maps, lists of things going on and are very helpful. They can also get you a hotel reservation!)

    • William

      Both times I went to Russia, my brain switched to German. I got by on the little Russian I know, the rest was handled in German. English was only spoken as a last resort.

    • Even back in ’68 you could get on a train in Italy, speak to an Italian in English, cross the border in France or Switzerland and your Italian friend would switch to French or German to speak to the new conductor. They put us Americans to shame. When I see a 12 year old from some war-torn country speak English to a reporter, I wonder how many American 12 year olds (or of any age) could speak a second language.

  • Gigi
    • Jonathan Smith

      “”American” is not a language; “American English” is a dialect of English. “Americans write and speak differently than citizens of England” is just barely true. The differences between the two dialects are limited and superficial.”

      • Ernest Endevor

        I don’t find that to be the case. Not At. All. As a writer. After 40 years I still get tripped up by the differences. (Note to self: Apart from ass-wipes like William Buckley no American uses idioms like ‘tripped up. And will you stop with the fucking hyphens?)

      • pch1013

        En France on dit que les Américains “parlent américain”.

  • Mordred LeFey

    Español. English. Me da igual. Really, I don’t get the push for immigrants to speak English. We have enough of a presence of gente latina that immigrants can get around very easily.

    Did I mention that the US has no de jure official language?

    • Adam King

      People have been speaking Spanish in this country longer than they’ve been speaking English.

      • Mordred LeFey

        Hah! That’s true!

    • BobSF_94117

      Don’t encourage them to declare English the national language.

      • Mordred LeFey

        Argh, sorry 🙁

    • clay

      Because of the mass of electronic media, immigrants are learning English more quickly now than in 1917 or 1817.

  • Tom G

    They’ve nearly run out of garbage to toss to the base. This is only for the troglodytes.

    • TimCA

      The wall isn’t happening so Trump needs to find some other raw meat to toss out to keep them riled up and enthused.

  • Tomcat

    Anyone remember back when (THEY) were saying other countries hate us because of OBAMA?

    • Jonathan Smith

      well, they are finally right. but now they hate us because of dRump

  • BobSF_94117

    The “speak English” bit is really the least important thing in this horrible bill.

  • barrixines

    Switzerland has four official languages. Over eighty percent of the population is monolingual. They seem to get by.

    • Câl

      The other 20% make up for it and often speak all four and usually English too. I was amazed by the shopkeepers who would be able to greet and speak to every customer in the correct language just by looking at them even if they were tourists from other parts of Switzerland. I can tell certain European nationalities by dress, hairstyles etc but language groups in the same country takes skills I could not work out.

      • barrixines

        Interestingly – I was just looking at the figures – more foreigners
        living in Switzerland speak more than one of the official languages than the locals do. But it’s true it does give some Swiss an aptitude for languages – my other half is Swiss and is something of an idiot savant when it comes language learning. He has four mother tongues, is fluent in four or five more and can get by in easily double that number. He says it’s down to Swiss German – if you can get your tongue round that you’re sorted for anything.

  • William

    It’s sad to see a charm school dropout like Mister rude wheelchair guy.

    • Chicago joe

      From my observation the rage boils up mostly with eavesdroppers like the asswipe in the wheelchair and people perturbed by having to select English by pressing one on the phone. Most professional people, as many noted above, deal with poor English skills patiently. My mother was a classic eavesdropper who would get upset when people spoke Spanish and restaurant next to her.

  • boobert

    What about the 70 foreign workers that dump a lago applied for ?

    • MusicBear88

      They were requested by a rich person. Doesn’t count.

    • Adam King

      Laws don’t apply to members of the Oligarchy.

    • clay

      But those are temporary workers– different visa system.

  • pluky

    and what would be the proficiency standard for “speak English”? The literacy and civics tests under Jim Crow come to mind.

  • FAEN

    Like every day since Cheeto was elected I’m disgusted and repulsed by his actions.

  • Rex

    He’s appealing to a group of people who have a minimal grasp of the English language.

  • abqdan

    Knowing Trump and the Republicans, this probably is a bad bill. It apparently doesn’t have much support even in Congress. But we do need to overhaul immigration, and most countries have ‘points’ based systems. If you want to move to Canada for example, you’ll need to have enough points based on education, skills, net worth, language ability – extra points if you speak both English and French. It isn’t wrong to consider ways to support immigration in such a way as to benefit the country. No country operates an ‘open door’ immigration policy – all have standards that must be met.

    I am an immigrant – one of the standard tests you have to pass to become a citizen is English reading and comprehension, so this isn’t such a major change in our policy, except those same naturalization standards would now apply to general immigration; and maybe it’s time to consider dual language tests – English and Spanish reading and comprehension giving you the highest points value.

    • FAEN

      I agree that we need to overhaul the system. The wait times are inhuman if you come from a high volume country.

    • Hue-Man

      Canada Census 2016 reports on families and language came out today.

      Nearly 7.6 million Canadians reported speaking a language other than English or French at home in 2016, an increase of 14.5 per cent since 2011.

      Tagalog (Filipino) was the fastest-growing language in Canada, increasing by 35 per cent over 2011 figures, followed by Arabic (30 per cent), Farsi (26.7 per cent), Hindi (26.1 per cent) and Urdu (25 per cent).

      There were 72,880 same-sex couples in Canada in 2016, a 60.7 per cent increase over 2006. One-third of them were married [that is, 2/3 were common-law], and about 12 per cent — most of them women — were living with children.
      http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/highlights-from-census-2016-numbers-on-families-households-languages-1.3529425

      • abqdan

        7.6 million is about 20% of the population – that is a huge number. As the number of ‘home’ languages increases, the only way to govern a country is to establish an official language (or languages). It becomes unworkable to provide laws and notifications in a large number of languages. India is a prime example, where the imposition of English as the official language by the British was in hindsight a benefit to the country; India still uses English as one of their two official languages despite the many other languages and dialects spoken. No-one should be forced to give up their native language, but some proficiency in whatever language is used by government is a real benefit to immigrants.

  • FAEN

    If English is a requirement will Alabama and Mississippi have to become their own nations?

    • Adam King

      You have to speak Suthun.

      • Treant

        I’ll go red up the room.

        (I thought that meant beat a fag to death and paint the walls with their blood. I am assured it does not).

        • Jonathan Smith

          “: The verbal phrase “redd up” (also seen as “red up,” “ret up,” and even “rid up”) has its roots in a Middle English verb redden, which meant to rescue or free from, or to clear. Today, “redd up” means to clear an area or make it tidy.”
          learn something new everyday…..

          • Treant

            It shares its root with “ready,” so it’s really a back formation of “ready up the room,” which itself is based off of the more grammatically proper, “I’ll go make the room ready for a guest.”

      • FAEN

        They don’t even speak that!

    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      Wouldn’t that be lovely?

  • Ernest Endevor

    As an immigrant – twice! – coming from London, I’d never have been allowed in. I can barely speak American now, after umpty-rumpty years.

    • Adam King

      Neither can Trump.

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  • baruchzed

    Bad proposal…but then what else can one expect from tRump?

  • Rex

    Gull dern it ma, there goes that Trump feller speakin’ sense, making those fulkin immegrunts speak english. This here is gawd dam ‘Mericua. Ain’t no place for idiots refusin’ to learn the fulkin right way to talk!

  • Blake J Butler

    1. There will never be an official language in this country, never have, never will. Also there will be clear language barriers generation wise as younger immigrants probably speak english, except their older family members will still speak their country of origin or spanish.

    2. This has already been on the books for years, but it takes years for immigrants to qualify for government assistance programs, that is nothing new, he didn’t bring anything new to the table. So no the “illegals” as this asshole would call them, can’t get government assistance because they would have to provide proof of citizenship.

    3. I’ll be here all day long, this man is a fucking idiot, and more importantly some of these immigrants are more coherent than these country bumpkins with their accents.

  • JT

    Trump Endorses “Speak English” Immigration Bill

    LOL. As if Drumpf could live up to that requirement.

  • Jacob

    Americans will never buy $5 apples you fucking loser.

  • KQCA

    Yeah…..because… immigrants are the biggest problem facing a nation made up of immigrants?

  • Tatonka

    Wonder how many maids and grounds keepers on Trumps properties can speak English.

  • jo gerardo

    Wow, “Speak English” is Tom’s safeword, usually screamed after a couple of hours with “Mr Mcphisto”. What usually get’s him going is his personal set of Ben Wa balls he likes to call “Don’s Knots”. And now you know.

  • This is just so wrong on so many levels…

  • canoebum

    Are they trying to end the Family Reunification system which has been the primary basis for our immigration policy since 1965? Sounds like that to me.

    Edit: I would add that the government has no right to compel speech or limit free expression. “English-only” as a national policy is likely unconstitutional.

  • BobSF_94117

    This is just another case of Trump taking a popular opinion, utterly unsupported by fact, and using it to sneak through an appallingly un-American policy change.

    Of corporations, by corporations, for corporations…

  • Tom

    Notice in the clip, tRump is snorting again.

  • Spongebob CrankyPants

    Who is Dump going to get to scrub the toilets at his hotels now?????

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      “Labor” from his buddies’ private prisons?

  • Ken M

    This sounds a little more his speed. It’s why you can’t understand what 1/2 the people in the south are saying. If your not from there that is.

  • FAEN

    So how far does everyone think this bill will go?

  • Paula

    Damn, Donnie. New Mexico recognizes two official languages, English and Spanish. What will you do there?

  • FormerMainer

    Sounds quite similar to the Canadian system – maybe Trudeau rubbed off on him a bit?

  • JCF

    Este hombre here speaks para mi

    http://i.giphy.com/Uaa8DuFxIbAoo.gif

  • sword

    Most of Trump’s Mar-a-Largo staff are foreign special visa holders. I guess they don’t speak clear enough English for Our Glorious Leader.

  • Larry in Oklahoma

    Which version of English? There’s British English. There’s Australian English. There are variations of English where the pronunciation is so bad that most people don’t understand it….but it’s English. Within THIS country, we have different dialects and ways of saying things. I have such a southern drawl that most people can immediately sense I’m from Oklahoma or Texas. So my question would be…is he trying to make us all sound alike? That’ll never happen.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    This will be the last nail in the coffin of the U.S. agriculture industry, except for corn & soy maybe.

    California will do something about this, but not sure what yet. The wine industry is already up in arms about Trump.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    Every time I see Tom Cotton, I think about how much I can’t stand him.

  • Paul

    Some of the stuff in this bill exists in Canadian and Australian immigration law already.

  • Kruhn

    Mira peluquín de mierda, hijo de la gran puta, pinche de malparido, cabrón, vaya a cogerle la concha al saco de huesos y colágeno que llama esposa pinche de pendejo. No nos mame, canto de cabrón.

    ¿Usted se cree que es fácil aprender un segundo idioma? Yo tuve la suerte de empezar a aprender inglés a los tres años y hablo y escribo mejor en inglés que usted canto de Agente Naranja. Aprenda a escribir en inglés en vez de la porquería de Covfefe y las emanaciones sin sentido con cuales nos tortura a las cuatro de la mañana antes de que le pida a mis [email protected] [email protected] que hablen inglés.

    ¡Latino hasta la mueeeeeeeeerrrrttttteeeeede!

    For those Spanish deficient:

    Look you fucking toupé (Mexicans call Drump el peluquín aka the toupé) piece of shit, son of a bitch, go grab the bag of bones and collagen you call a wife by the pussy. And a few other Spanish insults.

    You think it’s easy to learn a new language? I was lucky to start learning English at three, yet I speak and write better English than you, you Agent Orange, you! Learn how to write English instead of that Covfefe and your senseless emanations you torture us at 4 a.m. before you tell my [email protected] brethren and sisters to speak English.

    Latino to the cooooooreeeeeeee!!!!

  • GanymedeRenard

    1. Not sure if this has been said before on this tread (and the phrase is not mine,) but I’m sure the bill sounds better in its original German.

    2. What we now know as the U.S.A. was never a monolingual land – as everyone surely remembers, there already were hundreds of indigenous nations (some still call them “tribes”) that had their own languages. The matter began to complicate with the European invasion – first the Spaniards, then the French, then the British, then the Dutch… And don’t forget the African slaves who obviously brought their native languages to their new “home”. After the war of Independence, we (and I say this as a non U.S. person) don’t speak of “conquistadors”, or “pilgrims”, or settlers; we use the word “immigrants”, and oftentimes pejoratively.

    Good luck trying to keep the purity of an idealized Anglo-Saxon monolithic culture that never existed.

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