SEOUL: Record Crowd Turns Out For Pride Festival Despite Thousands Of Christian Protesters [VIDEO]

The Korea Herald reports:

Tens of thousands of people marched through central Seoul on Saturday to stand up for equality for sexual minorities in South Korea’s biggest pride parade, despite vocal opposition from anti-gay protesters.

Despite sporadic rain, 85,000 lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people and their supporters gathered at Seoul Plaza, rally organizers said. It was the largest crowd that the pro-gay event, held as part of the Korea Queer Culture Festival, has attracted since the inaugural event in 2000. Last year’s parade, the previous record-setter, had drawn about 50,000.

On the other side of the festivities, thousands of anti-LGBT campaigners, mostly right-wing and Protestant groups, staged counter protests near Seoul Plaza. They signified their opposition to homosexuality by collectively praying and singing religious hymns.

“Homosexuality is bringing down social values and ethics and striking society with illness. We, in the name of the public, oppose those attempting to spread homosexuality in disguise of human rights activities,” pastor Choi Ki-hak said in a speech in front of the Deoksugung palace.

The first clip below is entertaining.

  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    Return to Jesus! Who hung out with prostitues and loved to have long leisurely meals with lots of wine and only men. Why was it again that Jesus never married?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bd1d1f2ab0b57a01cfaa58205a60dff4775360f43926fc7ad252cc7fced7e1ad.jpg Sure Judas was an asshole, but supposedly he was hung like a plowhorse.

    • PickyPecker

      Clowns. All of them.
      https://i.imgflip.com/1skzsn.jpg

    • Boreal

      Jesus never met the ‘right ‘girl, that’s all.

    • netxtown

      the very best tops start out on the bottom…

      • Skokieguy [Larry]

        I’ve found the very best bottoms start out on top. So there’s that…

    • cleos_mom

      Who hung out with prostitutes and loved to have long leisurely meals with
      lots of wine and only men. Why was it again that Jesus never married?

      Useful as Mary historically was in replacing goddesses in popular religion, the very few mentions of her in the Gospels hint that she and Jesus didn’t always get along. There’s a scene where she apparently thinks he’s a bit “tetched.”

    • Ken M

      and Christ said, “Yo, dudes, EAT MY BODY” or something like that.

      • Oh’behr in Minnesota

        … and drink my blood, also.

    • DoctorDJ

      Which one is “the disciple whom Jesus loved?”

    • Raising_Rlyeh
  • Boreal

    You can thank Murican talibangelical ‘missionaries’ for the hate in Korea.

    • kaydenpat

      I saw a lot of American flags at the anti-Pride protest so yeah to American Evangelical influence.

  • Cackalaquiano

    Remember folks: if we use the EXACT same language against Christians, it’s blatant religious persecution.

  • Boreal
    • Skokieguy [Larry]

      So is religion.

      • Boreal

        Homophobia comes from religion. If you ask a homophobe why being gay is wrong the only arguments they can provide is usually religious.

        • Shy Guy

          That’s normally true. Oddly here in Estonia, though we have one of the least religious societies, homophobia is very high. Largely left over from the Soviet / Russian period, where it was treated as a mental illness. The most used arguments here are just it’s a sickness, it’s disgusting, and we need children. (Estonia has a small population, and negative population growth, so having lots of kids is a big thing.) Of course they can’t explain why fighting in court against providing child benefits to a lesbian couple raising a child helps with that, they’re just against anything that might be pro-gay.

          Only 14% of the population claim religion to be important in their daily life.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Estonia

          Yet 71% are against same-sex marriage (and most of those also against civil partnerships.)
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_Europe#Opinion_polls

          • Robincho

            Estonia if yer driven’ in yer car….

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          • kaydenpat

            Good point. Bigotry isn’t always powered by religiosity although it mostly is here in the US.

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          • Jwmvh

            Me too!

          • Kruhn

            In this case, the issue of openness and acceptance of LGBT people is low in Estonia. The question is (and seemingly with your extensive use of e-Government, Estonians trust their government after barely 25 years of independence ) does Estonia have strong, democratic institutions and civil society; and is the staunch secularism of Estonians strong enough to defeat this lack of acceptance towards the LGBT community.

          • Shy Guy

            Let’s hope so. The Russians won’t stop chipping away at them.

            Estonia doesn’t have a staunch secularism from principle like in France, it’s more just from apathy. Soviet communism banned religion, and unlike the Catholics in Lithuania, Poland, and to a lesser extent Latvia, who kept their religion going in secret, the Lutheran Estonians mostly just didn’t bother and it has faded away, and after the fall of communism there wasn’t a big revival like elsewhere. Of course some remained, but they are now a minority.

    • JT

      Homosexuality is not a choice. But if it were, it would be fabulous.

  • Boreal
  • Skokieguy [Larry]

    Sunday Funday!

    “Ann Coulter Is Enraged With Delta For Allegedly Giving Away Her Seat. The right-wing pundit, who often complains about victim mentality, plays the victim.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ann-coulter-delta-twitter-rant_us_596ab84be4b0d6341fe95e07?uca&ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

    • Boreal

      Sounds like the ‘free market’ she loves is running smoothly.

    • TuuxKabin

      Poor thing.
      Poor thing.

    • olandp

      I hate Delta, but now I like them a little more. Love the comment, “Is your broom broken?” Why isn’t she flying first class, oh, that’s right, she doesn’t have any.

      • Robincho

        Mrs. Ed is just pissed because Delta’s saddle blankets are no longer complimentary. Plus they’re charging for the little packets of oats…

    • TheManicMechanic

      She needs to get sucked into a jet engine. Though that would be a waste of a perfectly good engine.

      • Oh’behr in Minnesota

        Lol. That’s a great comment.. Can we have one set up for the US Congress in each house in the US Capitol? I’d take one for the MN Republican Majority Legislature too. Since they both never get anything done in legislation but w’h’ining which causes a lot of red ink anyway.

    • KCMC
    • kaydenpat

      She took a photo of the Black stewardess and the passenger who got her seat who appears to be of color. I assume that she wants her followers to threaten them. She’s a disgusting person. She gets worse with age.

    • jerry

      But it wasn’t even the seat that her ass was sitting in, it was the empty seat next to her she always books so that there won’t have to be anyone next to her.

      • Kruhn

        If that is so, then she voided the ticket per the Delta Contact of Carriage. She should’ve read Rule 100 and Rule 115. The latter prohibits Fictitious Booking and deals with overbooking. That flight was pretty full and was probably overbooked so her entitled ass lost her buffer from other people.

    • Kruhn

      You should’ve seen the reaction of right wingers. Does anyone know what type of plane she was flying? If it’s a smaller regional jet, she could’ve been ordered to move because there was a weight imbalance in the plane. Looking at the picture from her Twitter tirade it was either a 737 or a A-320 series.

  • Ninja0980

    More of that Christian love we’ve heard so much about.

  • Boreal
  • TuuxKabin
  • what a cutie! and good for SK, for protecting the celebrants from the xtian haters.

    it’s a fascinating subject, if you’re into the study of religions. SK of course was not xtian until americans went over there and had a pointless war that helped split the country and keep it that way. it’s really sick and wrong, that so many Koreans were forced into either xtian belief, to prove they deserved the support of westerners, or into worship of a crazy leader, so they could have food in the north. but SK xtians are the worst for a reason, and America is to blame for that. just sayin.

    • Kruhn

      Actually it seems that Christianity came to Korea in the 17th Century.

  • ceeenbee

    Interesting that the hate signs are in English. No doubt sent to South Korea by resident assholes like brian brown and tony perKKKins.

    brian probably just recycled them from his fabulously successful “march for marriage” which drew 10’s of people to protest.

    • kaydenpat

      They can’t win here, so they’re trying out their hate overseas.

    • Oh’behr in Minnesota

      I’m surprised the signs aren’t in Ugandan. Left over from Scott Lively’s protest and being recycled by Father PooPoo.

  • bambinoitaliano

    Rather than embrace their own, these haters subscribe to the age-old racially motivated doctrine meant to subjugate and enslave its subjects. For centuries these predators of humanity penetrated the underprivileged segments of the world in the guise of providing assistant to those in need. Instead they are preying on the vulnerability of the weak leaving them no alternative but to subscript to a cure all fictional construction in what amount to be the oldest comic book.

  • DesertSun59

    Never forget how this works, folks. Of the thousands of counter protesters a good 3-10% of them are regularly on Grindr or equivalent.

  • JT

    Homosexuality is Sin!

    You must be doing it wrong.

  • Boreal
  • Boreal
  • Raising_Rlyeh

    Yes, the traditionally Taoist/Confucian/Buddhist Korea should return to a religion forced upon them by missionaries.

    • Kruhn

      Taoism and Confucianism can be as intolerant as Christianity.

  • cleos_mom

    Thanks, Joe, for the post’s headline not reading “Fake Christian Protesters”. There is no magic afoot that miraculously transforms people into Rolex-for-sale-in-the-parking-lot knockoffs the instant they become even remotely embarrassing.

    As for the NALT churches, they’re in danger of their vocal cords suffering atrophy from their lack of use since January 20, 2017. “Fake” would be redundant in these cases.

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN

    Pride marches around the world this year seem to be stronger, even more unified, and with a younger generation out in force. There is hope.

    • jerry

      The DC march was great, with an estimated 200-250k people. And NYC pride was great as usual. What I don’t understand about NYC Pride is, who can actually watch the entire parade? This year it started at 11 am and I think it was still going at 9 pm.

      • Westcoast88

        The estimate for yesterday’s San Diego pride parade was over 200,000 spectators.

        • jerry

          I keep think about going to San Diego Pride…just haven’t made it yet. My next adventure is going back to Southern Decadence in New Orleans over Labor Day.

  • kaydenpat

    “Homosexuality No”. What a compelling argument. **rolls eyes”

    • JCF

      “Homosexuality No”.

      Maybe it’s in the French sense, as a question? [Where “No?” means “Yes!” ;-/]

  • SilasMarner

    Tell those christianers to go fuck off!

  • Ken M

    Anybody else notice the protest signs are in English? Huh?

    • Baltimatt

      Yes.

    • Stev84

      South Korean Christians have been taught and poisoned by American missionaries. That’s why they are so hateful and violent in the first place.

  • Kruhn

    I was reading {well listening as an audio periodical) the British magazine The Economist a couple of weeks ago when Taiwan became the first Asian country to adopt marriage equality. After cheering the development, it was trying to predict who would be next in Asia. The article argued that the chances of marriage equality passing in an Asian country has a correlation with three factors:
    .

    • Gigi

      And…?

      • Kruhn

        I’m finishing the post. I hit “send” too quickly. Come back in about 15 minutes.

        • Gigi

          Did you delete your original comment?

          • Kruhn

            I did and reposted as a fresh one.

  • OCW
  • Gigi

    “You can safely assume you’ve created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.” — Anne Lamott

    • Gianni

      That is a terrific quote. Gotta keep it!

  • Tor

    Note that the news article quotes the negative Christanist message, not the positive gay message.

  • Kruhn

    A bit OT as mostly it’s been the usual and quite welcome “We’re queer. we’re here, deal with it” argument I’ve seen in this thread, I’d like to bring a more analytical take on the issue in Asia.

    I was reading {well listening as an audio periodical) the British magazine The Economist a couple of weeks ago when Taiwan became the first Asian country to adopt marriage equality. After cheering the development, it was trying to predict who would be next in Asia. The article argued that in a continent with a wide array of attitudes towards the LGBT community, the chances of marriage equality passing in an Asian country has a correlation with three factors:

    1. Strong civic freedoms and civil society, and vibrant democracy.

    2. Degree of social openness and acceptance towards LGBT communities.

    3. Degree of religious tolerance, or how aggressive is the religious opposition towards deviations of what is considered the “sexual norms”.

    For example, Afghanistan barely has a civil society or even civic institutions, its social norms are, shall we say, archaic, and their clerics are fiercely homophobic. Thailand, while socially accepting of gays is governed by a military junta that has stifled civil society and democratic norms.

    Taiwan scored strong in two out of three areas:

    1. It has been a vibrant (sometimes rowdy as seen in those videos of brawls in the Taiwanese Parliament) democracy and its civil society.is considered by many Asia’s most vibrant.

    2. Since the establishment of democracy in the 1980s Taiwanese have become more tolerant about LGBT rights. Chi Chia-wei, who was one of the strongest backers of marriage equality in Taiwan, came out to his family in 1975 and publicly in 1986 when the country was still under martial law. He was arrested and jailed because he publicly came out. Three decades later after spending time in jail for being gay Mr. Chi can legally get married in Taiwan and about half support it with another quarter not caring either way.

    Taiwan faced a strong opposition from the religious groups, but President Tsai Ing-wen, who used support of marriage equality as a plank in her campaign, despite not aggressively following it until the Taiwanese Supreme Court ruled on the issue and forced the matter to Parliament.

    So how does South Korea measure up in the quest towards being the second Asian country to adopt marriage equality. Like Taiwan, South Korea has had a vibrant democratic institutions since the 1980s, alternating parties peacefully and dealing with a corrupt President using the political processes instead of the military.

    South Korea also has a vibrant civil society. If you want proof, look at our friend Billbear’s daily “get your asses off the computer and go out and protest” screed with pictures of thousands upon thousands marching in Seoul demanding the impeachment of then President Park. Young people overwhelmingly consider gay rights human rights.

    The problem is that their elders, and South Korea is an aging society are very conservative. Christian groups as seen in Joe’s post are still vocal in South Korea in their opposition and the state not completely respectful of gay rights.

    While civilian law in South Korea protects the LGBT community from discrimination, the military is deeply opposed to gays serving, despite the fact that contrary to the United States, the South Korean armed forces still use conscription. In fact the military can bring gay soldiers up on charges of “reciprocal rape” and sentence them for up to two years in prison. in fact, human rights groups are accusing the South Korean army with conducting a witch hunt against gays as more than 30 have been investigated this year.

    Finally, the new President Moon Jae-in, which the article mentions as being progressive in most other issues, stated in a debate that he is opposed to marriage equality. I’m wondering if his opposition is real or more like a strategic stance, waiting like Obama and even Tsai for the right series of circumstances to arise and then quietly push on the issue.

    So there you have it. It seems that on LGBT issues, South Korea is stuck in some ways in the 1980s and in other ways is in the 21st Century.

    Her’e’s the article, just in case you want to read it. https://www.economist.com/news/asia/21723883-hong-kong-looks-promising-one-country-asia-has-embraced-same-sex-marriage-wheres-next

    • cleos_mom

      For example, Afghanistan barely has a civil society or even civic institutions, its social norms are, shall we say, archaic, and their clerics are fiercely homophobic

      “Traditional culture.”

      “Strong on family.”

    • Stev84

      A huge issue across many countries is the cultural importance of family, which comes in part from Confucianism. Children are expected to obey their parents in all matters. And they are expected to get married and produce grandchildren. Being gay gets in the way of that.

      • Kruhn

        That’s why other factors can mitigate these traditionalist views as it happened in Taiwan, could happen in South Korea, or perhaps Singapore or Hong Kong, the other possible candidates to soon push for marriage equality.

  • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

    Yay LGBTQ Korea! How were you ever able take over the entire country? Congratulations!!!

    예이 LGBTQ 한국! 당신은 어떻게 전국을 점령 할 수 있었습니까? 치하!!!

  • andrew

    Hats off to the 85,000 South Koreans who demonstrated for justice and equality in their nation.

  • JCF

    I love my people even more than I LOATHE Christianists (of course, as is usual in the non-Western world, their Christianists result almost directly from U.S. Christianists).

  • Commentator8

    I’m over counter protesters at PRIDE