Obama: I Could Have Won A Third Term

Yes, easily. Via Politico:

President Barack Obama still believes in the message of hope and change he campaigned on in 2008, so much so that he suggested Monday it could have delivered him a third term — if such a thing were possible.

“I am confident in this vision because I’m confident that if I — if I had run again and articulated it, I think I could’ve mobilized a majority of the American people to rally behind it,” Obama told his former senior adviser, David Axelrod, on the “Axe Files” podcast published Monday.

“I know that in conversations that I’ve had with people around the country, even some people who disagreed with me, they would say the vision, the direction that you point towards is the right one.”

  • bkmn

    Please don’t go Mr. President.

  • Oikos

    And this too is the fault of conservatives, who so hated FDR that they pushed for the 22nd amendment.

    Conservatives: against anything that doesn’t benefit them personally. Greed and party over country.

    • Friday

      One reason I’ve never been for these term limits, getting *constructive* things done takes longer than one term, and ‘not having to worry about re-election’ has its problems during any bad guys’ second terms.

      • TuuxKabin

        I’ve always been under the impression ‘term limits’ is brought about in the voting booth. Vote ’em out, or keep ’em in.

        • Kate

          Gerrymandering can make that near impossible. Term limits are a good thing.

        • Friday

          In general, they work against competence. Idiots repeating slogans and pandering are easy to replace: real statesmen aren’t. Arguably you end up with a Jesse Helms or Boss Hogg for decades without term limits but more often it works against actually having the best people.

      • Prixator

        The counter to that is all of the time and attention that gets spent by most elected officials to fundraise for their next election – and to appease all of their previous donors. Little time is left to actually do the job, fairly (i.e representing their constituents instead of their donors), that they were elected to do.

        • Friday

          *That,* I think, needs to be changed, regardless. If term limits helped there, it wouldn’t be a constant election season as it is.

          • Prixator

            The simplest solution is for the government (the taxpayers) to finance elections and ban most other contributions (bribes). Could’ve happened previously, but now the fully bought politicians would never approve of such a thing! (They eventually get wealthy off of it, too. Sadly, not many idealists get into politics, anymore.)

    • Goodboy

      Do we have any great Republican leaders we can look back on with Pride? Lincoln doesn’t count since he really was a democrat.

      • Droz

        Modern Democrat.

      • Oikos

        No. None at all.

        • Silver Badger

          Not even FDR?

          • Palmer

            FDR was a Democrat, Theodore was a Republican.

          • Silver Badger

            I don’t quite understand you post. Could you please educate me?

          • Goodboy

            What are you. The obtuse troll today?

          • Silver Badger

            Yes. obtuse is my middle name. I missed the word Republican in the original post. Unfortunately, age only brings age. Wisdom seldom enters into to the equation.

          • Silver Badger

            Thank you for your kind reply. As I have told others, I missed the word Republican in the original post.

          • Oikos

            He asked about republican leaders, not Dems.

          • Silver Badger

            I missed that the first time around. Must clean my glasses.

      • Chucktech

        Eisenhower at least got the Interstate Highway system started, but “look back on with pride?” No.

        • Silver Badger

          I have often remarked that President Obama was the greatest President of the Century.

          • Chucktech

            Well……………….THIS century, the comparison is with Moron Bush. Talk about your sublime and ridiculous.

        • Goodboy

          So did Hitler. Kidding.

      • Jeffg166

        Teddy Roosevelt broke up the trusts, started the FDA, national parks.

        • Goodboy

          How come Republicans don’t hold him up as their role model then? Oh wait. The facts explain it.

    • canoebum

      They’re against a lot of things that could benefit them personally as well. Clean air and water for starters. Safe food. Safe work environments. Educated citizens. Healthy neighbors.

      • Oikos

        Soshalism.

      • faith.rodrigue

        He’s a great man and will definitely be missed next year.

        RECORD unemployment numbers, legalized gay marriage, 5% growth, best year for jobs since 1999, consumer confidence up, deficit down 60% in 2014, gas prices low, health insurance cheaper than ever ($85/month), car insurance cheaper than ever ($25/month from Insurance Panda), the 1% starting to be taxed more… all while republicans bleated about Benghazi took pointless votes to repeal the ACA, and did nothing for anybody except the top one percent.

        HRC or Bernie will keep it up. Any Republican left in the race will screw it up. Vote smart, America!

        • Oikos

          Vote smart? The election is over.

          • GayOldLady

            The last 3 sentences of “faith.rodrigue” comment are VERY confusing. It’s as if he/she missed the election.

          • Oikos

            I thought the same. Unless you’ve been in a coma for the last month, you would know that.

          • Stogiebear

            This is an Insurance Panda spam.

        • Robincho

          The election was, um, last month. Comment smart, faith…

          • Silver Badger

            How long did it take bush II to destroy the healthy economy Clinton I bequeathed?

          • Kate

            Not very long, and Obama continued the destruction.

            HRC should have ran with Bill as VP, and promised to step down day 1. He was horrible for gays, but great for jobs, debt, and the economy.

          • Silver Badger

            I disagree with you about President Obama.

          • Kate

            I can respect that.

            I understand why people on the left liked him, and I share some of his current positions. ObamaCare did a lot of damage to people with jobs, and so has trade.

            I don’t know if I would have voted for him as the lesser evil vs. Trump, but I absolutely couldn’t vote for Hillary. One of the highest duties of any president is to handle classified information properly.

          • fluffi3

            and blacks to with his tough crime initiative.

          • Kate

            Indeed. The “tough on crime” approach has done far more harm to people of color than to white people, but it’s helped set precedent that has destroyed incredible numbers of lives.

            Federal sentencing guidelines are horrible, as is the idea that we should model a criminal “justice” system after baseball (three strikes).

            I watched someone get life in prison for stealing a bathmat from an apartment I lived in. An entire life taken, for a crime in which there was no physical harm to anyone, and the monetary cost was negligible. It should have been a few hours of community service, not a life ending situation.

          • Diogenes Onionpants

            Bill as VP? Only problem (besides nepotism, corruption & shameless attempt to craft a family dynasty) would be, you know, the constitution.

          • Kate

            Possibly. There’s some debate in the matter.

            Basically, the constitution states that nobody shall be elected more than twice, and that nobody who is constitutionally ineligible to be president shall be Vice President.

            Bill is eligible to be president, he’s just not permitted to be elected. If he were to become the president because Hillary stepped down, there is a case to be made that it would be legal.

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/19/AR2006101901572.html

          • Diogenes Onionpants

            That’s a really intriguing argument, but the Post got one detail wrong. (A detail in any case relevant only in the world of hypothesis that we’re engaging with, and moot ever since the selection of Kaine.)

            In their penultimate paragraph, they state that Bill Clinton has not weighed in on the issue. But in fact he has, in a televised interview preceding (I think) the 2004 election. He said then that his “unitary” reading of the constitution had led him to conclude that he was ineligible to run as VP under the 12th Amendment; by inference, he considers himself ineligible for the presidency under the 22nd. Even if legal scholars construct a narrow reading of the 22nd by which he could assume office through succession from VP, it would have been impossible in practical terms to walk back that claim.

          • Kate

            Speaking purely hypothetically, it would have been hard for him to walk that back, but he might have been able to play the “desperate times” argument. It would have hurt him a bit, but his approval ratings are undoubtedly better than hers.

            He could also walk it back by deferring to a higher legal authority. If a SCOTUS justice (for example) were to weigh in, he could claim higher authority. It would cross some lines, certainly, but RBG already made some comments on Trump that did.

            It would have been an interesting matchup, as would Bernie vs Trump.

          • Oikos

            But she could save you a ton on your Panda car insurance.

        • Oikos
          • Robincho

            Can this be the faith we DON’T need to keep, baby?…

          • Dwight Williamson

            I think the only thing here is Obamas ego. If he had fired the FBI director when he stepped over the line TWICE, we would have a Democratic president elect. The junior senator from Illinois seems to want to skate out of office as Mr. Teflon. I supported Hillary in 08, but voted for Obama twice on faith she would get her turn. I honestly don’t think he did all he could behind the scenes to help her. Biden and Sanders were of very little help. Just to be fair is it heresy, not to support a black man and 14-16% of LGBT voted Trump over Clinton?

          • I don’t think it would have been that easy Dwight. Just one deciding factor? looks to me it was a perfect storm – so to speak – with help from (and I am not in any way shape or form a conspiracy theorist) Putin/Russia. The morning of November 9th my intuition was popping like crazy and it it was telling me something was fishy…and not in Denmark

          • Dwight Williamson

            I hold Comey up as the single factor most responsible for Hillary not being president today.
            You destroy early voting in Florida and North Carolina, game over!

          • Kate

            If he had fired the FBI director, there would have been a lot of blowback. It would have (rightly) looked a lot like a coverup.

          • TuuxKabin

            The ‘Panda car insurance’ tip you off?

          • Oikos

            Just part of ‘her’ trail of deception. 😉

          • karmanot

            Obama at his best is better than Roosevelt at his worst and we won’t be seeing that high level of governance for generations to come.

          • Kate

            Fortunately.

          • Skimming through “faith’s” comments it seems that he/she/it goes back and forth depending on the website I guess whether or not to be a Trump supporter/detractor or an Obama supporter/detractor…or “faith” is really Eve, Sybil or Tara?

          • Oikos

            I didn’t delve to far into the mind of the gorgon.

        • Bill_Perdue

          Obama did zip to legalize marriage, he refused to fight to repeal DOMA and he stopped ENDA.

          • Kate

            I hate Obama as much as the next gal, but he did deliberately have the department of justice argue against DOMA.

            He did a lot of bad things, but that one he got right and deserves credit for.

          • Bill_Perdue

            He supported DOMA for years in the courts and later changed to lay the groundwork to trawl for votes and beg for money in 2012.

          • Kate

            That may be, but he still pushed the justice department to fight against it instead of for it.

            His motives may have been horrible, but it was the right thing to do, way too late.

            Equal protection under the law, is the law.

          • Bill_Perdue

            He supported DOMA and DADT until he needed votes and money. He ensured the passage of prop 8.

        • Bill_Perdue

          The Democrats recovery is a cruel hoax.

          The BLS monthly jobs report –always chock full of useful information about the state of the working class—was released last Friday as the election campaign enters the final month. It was kind of lost in the shuffle between Hurricane Matthew and new outrage about the misogynist Republican nominee. That was just fine with his Democrat opponent.

          BLS says, “The unemployment rate, at 5.0 percent, and the number of unemployed persons, at 7.9 million, changed little in September. Both measures have shown little movement, on net, since August of last year.”

          That’s the “official” unemployment stat. But also reported, there are an additional 1.8 million long-term jobless now designated as only “marginally attached to the workforce” and another 5.9 million are listed as “involuntary part-time”—both numbers essentially unchanged. Combined as the “real” unemployment, these three measures show a job creation that has become stalled—hardly keeping up with new first-time job seekers–while leaving behind 15.6 million who want full-time jobs but can’t find one.

          Most job growth, both in September and year to date, was in business services-ytd 582,000; health care-ytd 445,000; eating and drinking establishments-ytd 300,000; and retail sales added 317,000 jobs so far in 2016. To be sure, these industries have some well compensated professionals and technicians–but the majority of these new jobs are low wage, many part-time.

          A lot more could be expected—especially after a record year of auto sales and a rebound in housing. The old vaunted “Middle Class” still exists on a much smaller scale but the dream of younger generations to join it—or middle aged workers to rejoin after being pushed out–is still elusive after seven + years of “recovery.”

          In the last WIR, I wrote about how the Middle Class has been in a long decline through automation and cybermation. During the Great Recession, bosses also successfully reduced labor costs through outsourcing, job combinations, and big concessions in union contracts. While this enhanced profits in production, at the same time it reduced the purchasing power of many workers. Readers outside the USA may be shocked by some numbers associated with this contraction.

          Disturbing Math
          The average work hours per week for private sector “nonsupervisory and production employees”—that includes the majority of the working class—was only 33.5. The average hourly wage for the same category rose 5 cents to 21.68. That works out to an average annual wage of 37,766.
          http://kclabor.org/wordpress/?p=943

          From KC Labor http://kclabor.org/wordpress/

          Trump will be just as bad.

        • karmanot

          Whaaaa? Rip Van Rodrigue? Did ya know Dump won the election?

        • Nasty Girl Brianna

          Oh yay, another Insurance Panda copy/paste spam.

        • Kate

          “Record unemployment numbers”

          … unemployed (but not counted), and underemployed at record levels, hence Michigan going blue and Trump winning.

          “Legalized gay marriage”

          He does deserve credit for this one, though at the start of his term he was opposed to it. I’m glad he “evolved” in the second term.

          “Best year for jobs”

          Yeah, not really.

          “Deficit down 60%”

          … from his record high levels.

          “Health insurance cheaper than ever”

          If you are poor enough to qualify for subsidies. It’s record high for many, many Americans. Most plans now have ridiculous deductibles, so it doesn’t actually provide any value, and in 10% of the country, there is only one insurance company that meets the ObamaCare requirements, and if you don’t use it, you get fined.

          “Vote smart, America!”

          We did.

          • Diogenes Onionpants

            Overall increase in insurance costs has slowed dramatically under Obamacare. There are variables that affect local markets, but virtually all of the people experiencing huge leaps in rates are in states whose republican governors have deliberately refused expansion and refused to set up state exchanges, relying on federal exchanges.

            Hillary had plans to expand the age of Medicare eligibility to 50, bringing in a healthier pool of Medicare patients and setting the path towards universal healthcare.

            Trump has promoted to HHS secretary a man who has proposed turning Medicare into a coupon system for the elderly to get reimbursements for care purchased on the individual market.

            If that’s an issue you care about, you did not think it through.

      • Buford

        Being born with a complete lack of empathy is what steers people toward conservatism. They see no value in any process or policy that does not directly benefit them right now, and it doesn’t matter that others need them or that they, themselves, may need them in the future.

        Miranda rights… habeas corpus… laws against warrantless searches… legal abortions… gay marriage rights… Medicare/Medicaid… unemployment insurance… food stamps… all of those things should be permanently eliminated because they, personally, don’t see any direct benefit from them at this moment in time.

    • Ninja0980

      Yup, conservatives have been hurting this country ever since its founding, with that being one of the worst things they’ve done.

    • ericxdc

      Well, to be fair, they’d still be running Reagan as president if the Constitution allowed them to.

      • Oikos

        True, but he would have had to step down when they couldn’t hide the Alzheimers anymore, so we still would have had shrub 1.

    • fuow

      Unfortunately, they vote. Too many of us don’t.

  • Goodboy

    That would be nice but I’m not sure of anything anymore. The system is just too rigged and broken right now.

    • Bill_Perdue

      That’s what Trump says said.

      • Kate

        He was right. The fact that the “best” anyone could come up were Trump and Hillary says a lot.

  • CatApostrophe

    DON’T LEAVE US!!!!!!!

  • OBAMA 2020!!
    OBAMA 2020!!
    OBAMA 2020!!

    Maybe Michelle? Her lips say “No” but her eyes say “I’ll think about it.”

  • Matt

    It sucks that it’s too late to even try. Idiot conservatives will never be allowed to acknowledge (even if they wanted to) how Obama saved this country from the near-ruin caused by the GOP.

  • pablo

    A third term? But I thought we were all nazis now because an unpopular candidate ran a bad campaign.

  • Silver Badger

    I would have certainly voted for President Obama’s third term.

    • Tiger Quinn

      How nice.

      • Chucktech

        Stop it. You would have, too.

        • Silver Badger

          Thank you for your support. Fortunately, I have had President Obama’s example to show me how to deal with those who disagree with me. Even so, you have to have a pretty thick skin to post here. Especially if you don’t agree with some folks.

          • MBear

            I don’t agree

          • Silver Badger

            That is your right and privilege as an American. The nice thing is that you didn’t feel the need to be nasty about it.

          • MBear

            I was masturbating when I posted that.

          • Silver Badger

            Pix or it didn’t happen!

          • Gerry Fisher

            My kinda bear!

        • TuuxKabin

          She still carrying on? Poor thing, musta got a lot of coal yesterday.

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          Don’t know what he said, this time- but he is literally the only person I have had to block.
          Except for Mary’s roommate.

          • Silver Badger

            You are a better man than I. I finally had all of the Bill Perdue I could take.

          • Bill_Perdue

            More coward you.

        • Tiger Quinn

          No, I mean to be kept abreast of his personal life.

  • olandp

    This is the difference between Democrats and republicans. The two two-term Democratic Presidents in my lifetime have left office with high approval, while the three Republican two-term Presidents leave office with very very low approval, if not outright disgrace.

    • Goodboy

      Yeah, who knew that being warmongers and liars also made bad politicians.

      • bzrd

        and put us in deep doodoo debt

    • Chucktech

      Look at what Democratic presidents have done and/or how popular they are? Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and now, Obama? Rock stars, all, and giving back to our nation once they leave (will leave) office.

      But Reagan? Brain dead before he left. Poppy Bush? Nothing. Moron Bush? Paintings that even Gramma Moses would have put out to the curb.

      • Oikos

        Gramma Moses would have burned those things.

        • Amanda B. Rekendwith

          Or left them in a basket floating in the reeds.

      • Gerry Fisher

        I’m not sure we would have placed Carter in “rock star” status as he left office. He became more impressive after he’d been out of office a while; he works better as a free agent, IMO.

  • Chucktech

    And Scalia’s seat wold remain vacant for four years.

    Actually, I hope that’s exactly how Scalia’s seat remains.

  • Bill_Perdue

    He’s wrong.

    It was his politics and his betrayals that sent millions into the camp of eligible-non voters. Almost half of eligible voters boycotted the elections. http://www.electproject.org/2016g

    He ended the chances for socialized medicine for more than a decade and turned over the health care industry to bankster insurance and profit gouging pharmaceutical privately held companies. Trump is going to do the same thing.

    He inherited three wars in Iraq, Palestine and Afghanistan, continued them and added six more, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria and Pakistan, in the process murdering tens of thousands of civilians and many more GIs. He sent US troops into Africa to support right wing governments and suppress insurrections. Trump will be just as bad.

    He tortured and jailed Chelsea Manning and continues to ignore the more than one hundred thousand decent people who demand her release. http://time.com/4597422/chelsea-manning-petition-white-house/

    He began his regime as a committed bigot who ensured the passage of California’s Prop 8 and similar measures in Arizona and Florida and whose DoJ defended DOMA and DADT in court using bigoted language. He refused to fight to repeal the Clinton’s DOMA even when Democrats controlled the WH and both houses of Congress and stopped ENDA dead in its tracks. His rebranding, like that of H Clintons, had its roots in the need to raise money and in vote grubbing instead of in any real interest in the lives and needs of the LGBTQ communities. Trump is also a bigot.

    Obama didn’t lift a finger to order the federal arrest and prosecution of killer cops and neither will Trump as they continue their pogrom against people of color. His racist policies forced many out of their homes by ignoring pleas for assistance during the housing crisis caused by Bill Clintons championing and his signature on NAFTA and the deregulation bills of 1999 and 2000. His racist policies led to the deportation of over two and a half million immigrant workers, destroying they lives and livelihood. Trump is also a racist.

    Obama ordered the racist and extra legal murders of Arab and muslim citizens like Ahmed Farouq, Adam Gadahn, Anwar al-Aulaqi, Samir Khan, ‘Abd al-Rahman Anwar al-Aulaqi and Jude Mohammed. One was a sixteen-year-old boy from Denver Colorado. Trump is going use the same excuses and the same laws to do the same thing but then Democrats will accuse him of being a fascist, and not just another Obama.

    Obama filled his cabinet and other economic posts with banksters – so will Trump.

    Obama did nothing real to increase jobs – the rich did that and on their terms – low wages and zero benefits – terms that Obama ensured. Jobs remain scarce and low paid. Real unemployment remains high as does the figure of those too discouraged to look for work.

    Obama busted the UAW, forcing it to accept tiered wages, fewer benefits and no strike pledges.

    Obama successfully gutted Medicare and tried to gut Social Security but was turned back by a massive outcry by workers, seniors and unions.

    Obama did a good job for his owners by suppressing wages, waging wars of aggression and ignoring the civil rights of people of color, women and the LGBTQ communities. Trump will continue those policies.

    • Tiger Quinn

      And?

      • Bill_Perdue

        Thanks for being unwilling to defend your politics because you and your Republican allies are political toast.

        Sayonara.

      • ericxdc

        don’t try to engage. it’s pointless, really.

        • Bill_Perdue

          Yep. You scabs always lose.

          • ericxdc

            Go to hell, bill. Just go to hell.

          • Bill_Perdue

            You lose again, scab.

      • Kate

        And “can’t we just drone him” Clinton would have been more of the same.

  • Tiger Quinn

    Yet another issue that I feel the Dems just sat on their asses about – because god knows the conservatives are definitely going to try to extend Pence’s term to a third.

  • JellyDonut

    He may be remembered as the last American president

    • Oikos

      If only. I bet she would win in a landslide.

      • Chucktech

        Can you imagine the torrent of racism and misogyny flooding out of the bowels of Basketville, Deplorabania?

        • GayOldLady

          Yes I can because I live in Basketville, Deplorabania.

          • TuuxKabin

            Hand Picked Basketville?

            Good mornin’ GOL. OXO

          • GayOldLady

            Good morning honey. Hope you had a good one yesterday. XO.

          • TuuxKabin

            Twas low key. We filled up on appetizers so dinner is today, which is fine, stretch the joy a bit. Betcha’ the grandkids are still smiling from their day with the two youse yesterday. Decided, for today at least to take this approach to the day(s):

            https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/43/9c/82/439c821ab869ae8d1ca2736c5a91a09b.jpg

          • GayOldLady

            Love it!!! That’s the right approach. And the kids were wonderful. I spent the entire day videoing them opening presents and playing with their toys. I’m a bit worn out today. Still in my pj’s. It will take me a couple of days to recuperate. 🙂

          • TuuxKabin

            Sweet. It is a great day for the wee ones! Stay in those jammies, warm slippers, and legs up on a foot stool! Good day for it. Happy first day Kwanzaa as well!

          • GayOldLady

            Happy whatever day it is to you too!

          • Silver Badger

            It is fun watching Basketville heads explode. Messy, but fun!

    • Silver Badger

      She did say she didn’t have the patience to be President.

    • worstcultever

      I would never want her to go through the abuse. Just look at what’s been thrown at Hillz over the decades, and she’s not even black. (Though a fellow vagina-haver – the ultimate scary evil.) Anyway I just love Michelle and I hope she kicks ass whatever she does in the future. She has been a magnificent FLOTUS.

    • Lazycrockett

      She has no desire or the right attitude, and that’s a good thing, to run for political office.

    • Gerry Fisher

      I love her. And, no, please, no more dynasties.

  • Mark

    The ugly hope is a people’s revolt.
    One ugly reality is staying.
    The other is leaving.

  • I know it is too late but DAMN it would have been AWESOME…

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DGVWkbXdc7Y/hqdefault.jpg

    • Bill_Perdue

      I support the release Chelsea Manning.

      • Kate

        Hear, hear. Her and Assange.

        Transparency should not be punished.

  • geoffalnutt

    Putin had to make sure he is gone for good. We’ll see.

  • worstcultever

    Ok, so let’s run this through the rightwing corporate media megaphone – and an hour from now he’ll be an even more scary commie black kenyan muslim president, and thank god we have a fine white american president again

  • The deplorables actually have a better life because of Obama’s policy. They had health insurance, more job opportunities, and a slow increase in wages. Now they’ve elected a person who promise to take it all away. Frankly the deserve it when Trump shits on them. If they’re willing to harm themselves just because other people’s lives are improving, then I have no sympathy for them. None.

    • Kate

      I lost my insurance due to ObamaCare. So did several of my employees. It made it too expensive, and we paid too well for subsidies.

  • AtticusP

    He would have won a third term handily. If only it were possible.

    The unlimited wealth of the Koch brothers and Richard Mellon Scaife and other right wing ideologues have funded a decades-long effort to destroy both of the Clintons. They have finally succeeded and, as a result, have given us the most unqualified person ever to hold the office of president.

    Thanks a bunch, rich entitled assholes.

    After the hope of the last eight years, it’s a damned shame that it’s come to this.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Why is it that these billionaires are not treated like societal pariahs? Or at least with the same kind of contempt the Kardashians get even though I have to say that the Kardashians do a whole lot less harm to society.

      • JW Swift

        Because the Trump voters all want to BE those people.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          And how are they going to do that? Most of the super rich are born into it and Trump voters refuse to move, get more education or actually do anything that’ll increase their chances of that happening. Then they die wondering why they’re not in a mansion.

          • JW Swift

            They haven’t thought that far ahead. They just KNOW, however, that it will never happen if their taxes keep going to welfare moms and free health care for immigrants, or something.

    • Bill_Perdue

      Yours is the party of the rich.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/23f9a4a3427739b44936b6d041081968d99b921e6d2756e5dec694c742c7ccd8.jpg Clinton Spends Most of Her Time with the Ultra-Wealthy
      New York Times:
      “Mr. Trump has pointed to Mrs. Clinton’s noticeably scant schedule of campaign events this summer to suggest she has been hiding from the public. But Mrs. Clinton has been more than accessible to those who reside in some of the country’s most moneyed enclaves and are willing to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to see her. In the last two weeks of August, Mrs. Clinton raked in roughly $50 million at 22 fund-raising events, averaging around $150,000 an hour, according to a New York Times tally.”
      Via Teagan Goddards Political Wire

      • ErikDC

        Yours is a party of one with no hope of doing any good for anyone ever.

        • Bill_Perdue

          Wrong, as usual.

          Socialists are winning the fight for a better minimum wage.

          We’re for the release of Chelsea Manning, victim of your party’s anti-trans bigotry and warmongering.

          We’re for unions, you’re a scab in a party of scabs.

          We’re for federal indictments of killer cops, you’re not.

      • Gerry Fisher

        It isn’t so much the money flowing. It’s more important to watch into whose pockets it’s flowing. It’s not as if H. Clinton put that campaign money into her personal bank account.

        • Bill_Perdue

          The Clintons got rich from speaking engagements.

          Not all bribes are for personal uses. Most are to insure the loyalty of candidates to the rich and that encapsulates the Clintons politics in a nutshell.

  • houstonray

    Some Republicans and the crazies on the Right spent the first four year term saying he was going to take over and install himself as a permanent President. Then in the second term I kept seeing articles about how he would take over, suspend the election, declare some kind of National emergency and start a third term.

    And now here we are.

    Please Mr. President, do whatever it is they were afraid of you doing and have a third term. I’m good with that!

    • worstcultever

      Hell to the yes. I also used to fear military coups. Now I’d welcome one like my favorite warm fuzzy slippers.

      • ErikDC

        A military coup would still be bad, very bad.

        • Gerry Fisher

          Agreed. Not the way to go. (One of Obama’s strengths is Playing the Long Game, understanding how an action can reverberate and shape things for years to come. He’s sooo be opposed to an impulsive, temporary, “feel good” action like this.)

  • Natty Enquirer

    Term limits only benefit the party out of power. The people should have their choice for as long as they want it.

    • Todd20036

      Except that didn’t work out so well. The people chose Hillary Clinton

      • Kate

        It’s a good thing the people don’t choose the president, then. The states do, and they hardily chose Trump.

  • worstcultever

    The reason there’s no third terms is because the American people loved Franklin Delano Roosevelt so much, for improving their lives and nation in general, that they kept electing him, and the pukes hated the idea SO MUCH of a competent, beloved president improving people’s lives that they amended the constitution to stop it.

  • Rocco

    If only….

  • joe ho

    Unfortunately under Obama the Democratic party has virtually collapsed at the state and local level. Only about 13 state governments are not controlled by the GOP. That means GOP-friendly constitutional amendments could actually be ratified by the states. Some have accused Obama of being selfish in not concentrating on spreading the wealth.

    • Ninja0980

      They can do that to a degree but a lot of that has to be focused on the fact our base simply doesn’t turn out for midterm elections or find races such as city council, school boards, mayors or state legislatures to be as sexy as races for the U.S. Senate or President.
      Throw in the fact dark money by Republican billionaires can now swamp any race to the point the Democrat running can’t compete and purists on the left who don’t get someone like Bernie isn’t going to win in many races in purple, red and even blue states and you have the reason we are non-existent in many states after the last three elections.

      • William

        Citizens United pushed the election process off a cliff.

  • anne marie in philly

    I wish he could have run; now we are stuck with the dump. 🙁

    • with the dump, in the dump, just one big ol’ trash heap of hate.

      • anne marie in philly

        hi biki; love the avatar!

  • Do Something Nice

    I believe that Obama would have easily trounced Trump. One of Clinton’s deficiencies is that she really isn’t an inspiring speaker and she didn’t seem passionate.

    OTOH, she did win the popular vote by a lot, even if many of those votes were votes against Trump, that has to count for something.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Indeed, but alas, it cannot be so.

  • karmanot

    Hope huh? Obama is delusional.

  • Gerry Fisher

    As much as I’m hating the position we’re in right now, I don’t think it would have been good for him to serve a third term. We need a breather from the racism being spewed in the direction of the White House. I think that, after a break, his legacy will look better and better and better.

  • MusicBear88

    I think that he’s right; he could have won a third term. It’s easier to re-elect an incumbent, he’s been an excellent president, and he has a Y chromosome. I was all for Hillary and still am, but I think the third thing that I listed may have had the most negative impact of all.

    • Kate

      It’s not the Y chromosome that matters. He got the black turnout, and that would have been enough to win.

  • goofy_joe

    I’d have voted for him again, but maybe only one more time. I’m a firm believer in constant change of people in power. That’s why I like the idea of term limits for everyone. Staggered, of course, to keep institutional memory in place, but no one should be a “career politician”.

  • Nasty Girl Brianna

    Let’s see, unemployment is down, the stock market is up, LGBT people can serve in the military, we’ve enjoyed peace and prosperity for the past 8 years. Yes, I can honestly say that he would have won a third term, despite all the racist haters.

    What a contrast the next 4 years are going to be.

    • Kate

      Peace? Obama has continued the perpetual wars. Prosperity? For the 1%, the recovery has been going great.

  • fuow

    He would have had my vote.

  • GlennF

    President Obama has been a good leader of the executive branch of the federal government, but a horrible leader of the Democratic party.

    During 8 years of his presidency, Obama has presided over the decimation of the Democratic party on the federal, state and local levels.

    Instead of creating effective and aggressive strategies with his fellow Dems to fight the recalcitrant rethugs, he instead naively and foolishly sought to compromise with them.

    If Obama is worried and concerned that his accomplishments and legacy as president won’t survive the next 4 to 8 years, he largely has only himself and his advisers to blame.

  • Buford

    I’ll state the obvious… after being deliberately disconnected during the Christmas break, I was once again embarrassed to the point of depression to see this ‘Obama vs. Trump’ story on the cable news shows this morning… mainly because our idiotic news media seems unable to avoid the temptation of bringing in ‘experts’ to argue whether or not Obama could have beaten Trump, hypothetically.

    For Fuck’s sake, focus on the real issue here. Our president-elect is an idiot man-child with impulse control issues who should NOT be tweeting every unvetted thought that pops into his twisted mind. THIS IS NOT NORMAL!!! The media needs to understand that Trump’s behavior, not the moronic/untrue points he’s trying to make, are the real story here.