Trump Super PAC Chair Suggests Japanese Internment Camps Are Precedent For Muslim Refugees [VIDEO]

Business Insider reports:

Megyn Kelly admonished a supporter of Donald Trump who invoked Japanese internment camps as precedent for a proposed registry of Muslims. On Fox News’s “The Kelly File” program on Wednesday night, Carl Higbie, a former Navy SEAL and spokesman and co-chair of Great America PAC for Donald Trump, argued in favor of the registry, which he compared to World War II-era Japanese internment camps.

Policy advisers to President-elect Donald Trump are reportedly considering creating a registry of immigrants who come to the United States from Muslim countries, Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, who reportedly is a “key member of Trump’s transition team,” told Reuters on Tuesday.

“We did it during World War II with Japanese, which you know, call it what you will, may be wrong,” Higbie said, eliciting a sharp response from Kelly. “You know better than to suggest that,” Kelly said. “That’s the kind of stuff that gets people scared, Carl.”

“I’m just saying there is precedent for it,” Higbie replied. “You can’t be citing Japanese internment camps for anything the President-elect is going to do,” Kelly fired back in a raised voice.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    Dear Megyn Kelly, why the fuck are you surprised? You helped build this and now you’re shocked, shocked at this. Screw you, you’re just worried about your rep. WE have to worry about ourselves being slaughtered while people like you drink champagne and whine about how hard it is to beat into people’s heads that they’re the master race.

  • Joe in PA

    “You know better than to suggest that,” Kelly said. “That’s the kind of stuff that gets people scared, Carl.”

    So, let me get this right blondie….what he said is wrong because it gets people ‘scared’. Not because IT IS FUCKING WRONG, but because it ‘scares’ people.

    Fuck you very much.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      They want minority people to be like the cows in a meat packing company, being calmly led to the slaughter.

      • MBear

        …or slavery

        • Acronym Jim

          both, if history is any judge.

    • Treant

      I want to petition for a lifting of the ban on the c* word just in the one singular case of Kellyanne Conjob.

      • Joe in PA

        Well, as much as I would agree…I think the floodgates would be open if you did. ;( I’m thinking Anne Coulter would be at the top of my list, but then she’d take that as a compliment. 🙁

      • Oh’behr

        Well, the Australians do a bang up job using the c word. I don’t know why we could use it for Trump and company and the deplorables (especially the men who voted for Trump).

        Also if you want to see something totally different, look up (google):
        australian promotional tourism cu nt.

        https://www.indy100.com/article/cu-in-the-nt-tourism-poster-australia-marketing-7402816

        • Treant

          That’s perhaps a bit too far for a tourism bureau, but that having been said? It wouldn’t stop me from going if I wanted to!

    • crewman

      Trump ran a campaign based on fear. He bad-mouthed this country non-stop. He undermined our democracy and threatened many, many people. But now that they have power, no one else should rain on their parade.

    • Gerry Fisher

      I would bet that Trump voters and people like Megyn actually don’t believe that this is a possibility. They think this is all tough talk, hyperbole. They think they can reign in their most passionate yahoos (“we can control him”). But what they’re talking about actually can’t happen, here, right? RIGHT?! (Think again. We’re on that road right now.)

      • Amanda B. Rekendwith

        The snowball has started rolling down the hill.

        • John Kusters

          “The avalanche has already started; it is too late for the pebbles to vote…”

          https://youtu.be/g1GF4Gnb-D0

          • Orly

            Kosh really knew how to turn a phrase.

            “And so it begins…” is another one that frequently comes to mind these days.

      • kareemachan

        Well, to be honest, I didn’t think trumpie could happen.

        But then, I didn’t think the Bundyites would get off scott-free, either. I think I need to quit laughing at hese honyocks and treat them more seriously. I just didn’t think I needed to….

        🙁

        • CJAS

          So, what’s the lesson we’ve learned? My I suggest that when people of color present evidence of how intrinsic, universal racial antipathy and white privilege are we believe it.

          • kareemachan

            I already did, honest.

          • CJAS

            My comment was purely rhetorical–not specifically directed at you.

      • wmforr

        I’m sure hard core Trumpeters would think it was a good idea and add, “We shoodda left the Japs in the camps! Do you know the damn Japs waterboarded our soldiers? Animals!”

  • Silver Badger

    I wonder how well the “Registry” and associated camps will work without the support of most of the country. My guess is, not very well.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Unfortunately, about half will support it or just calmly drink their beers with self-satisfaction while their fellow citizens get hurt. And the angrifying thing is that if/when camps are created and shut down, the supporters will try to hide to hide in the shadows and say “I was a mighty hero who disapproved of this shit” or “Jeebus forgives me so you should forgive me for wanting you guys dead, too.”

      Fuck that. People like that should be reminded over and over again that they chose Trump BECAUSE they wanted this to happen.

      • Stephen Elliot Phillips

        They wont care. Trust me.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          True but it annoys them immensely to be mocked as hypocrites.

      • kareemachan

        Also, I lived in a house built by a Japanese family about the turn of the century (1900, not 2000). They were rounded up and sent to a camp and somehow, miraculously, their house AND their very profitable business ended up being owned by some white dude.

        I’m sure things like that make trumpie’s mouth water, and his sycophants.

        • JD

          That is generally what happened…massive transfer of property and businesses at bargain basement prices … an army cot & blanket per person, guard towers and fences

      • Octoberfurst

        Those of us who won’t stand by and let this happen will have to fight the other half who will think this is just fine and dandy. “Gotta doo sumthin’ about them Mooslim’s ya know.” And don’t think that Muslims will be the only ones on the list. I am sure those on the Religious Right would just love to see anti-gay laws enacted again. “Put them queers in jail!” Yeah we are in for a fun 4 yrs.

        • B Snow

          We’re not letting it happen again. We know history, and we will not let it be repeated.

  • Treant
    • DaddyRay

      His nickname will be President Zero

      • Mark

        Well dang. I was just getting comfortable with President Naught.

        • kareemachan

          President He Who Shall Not Be Named Cuz He Makes Me Throw Up in My Mouth

      • CT Guy

        I thought his nickname was “President Pussy-grabber”

  • Rick

    Oh look, they’re already talking about the camps. That didn’t take long.

  • Joe in PA

    “You can’t be citing Japanese internment camps for anything the President-elect is going to do,” ….

    Ah, yes he can, and he should. That’s exactly what the President elect is doing.

    Go promote your book toots.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I wish that her signings were full of people who tell her “Thanks for delivering us to fascists, news bimbo!”

  • Treant

    Sidenote: Please send this to the electoral college folks in all the red states. We definitely want them to know what they’re voting for.

    • Chucktech

      Blah, Blah, blah, they can’t hear you…

      • Treant

        I know, but look how well the Nuremberg defense has worked in the past… 🙂

        • Chucktech

          Yeah, maybe in the waaay distant future, there will be some accounting, if not rectification.

  • Chucktech

    “If that means having people who are not protected by our Constitution having some sort of registry…

    Jesus Fucking Christ. Apparently, this shithead doesn’t understand that any foreigner who enters legally into this country can go straight from the airport to any gun store and arm themselves to the teeth because they are covered by the 2nd Amendment (as well as the rest of the Constitution).

    • lymis

      There ARE no people in this country who are not protected by the Constitution. These people need to get clear on that.

      • Dagoril

        Trump wants to change that. And it won’t stop with just Muslims.

      • Chucktech

        Yeah, but first you have to get past “Nu, UUUHHH, the constitushun is just fer ‘Murikins!!111!!!”

        • CJAS

          For white Americans. For straight, white Americans. For Republican, straight, white Americans.

  • zhera

    So there are still people in this world who thinks the internment camps were a good idea? WOW.

    And what about the Constitution, Higbie? Getting locked up for being from a muslim country (quickly expanded to all muslims, citizens or not)… preeeeeetty sure there’s no amendment for that.

    • MBear

      It seems to me that in practice, the American government systems, from local through federal, can enact anything that might be (or even glaringly be) un-constitutional. The law or practice goes into effect…then spends years in courts while lawyers get rich trying to overturn it…all while people suffer and perhaps die.

    • boatboy_srq

      Welcome to the source of Tentherism: the conviction that all amendments after the 10th are illegitimate and usurp state and local powers, as a convenient excuse for preventing women and Those People© from obtaining power.

      • zhera

        But it’s the 1. Amendment that protects people from this…

        • boatboy_srq

          Don’t confuse them with numbers.

          And don’t forget that while the Constitution outlines the requirements for voting and for holding office, it doesn’t outline minimum standards not being considered a person (it took the 13th-15th amendments to start that process), so if only PEOPLE are protected and Those People© aren’t actually PEOPLE then the protections don’t apply.

  • The_Wretched

    AHS: USA

    Is this just one guy being stupid or are they keeping the outrange train going to cover up the shitshow that is the transition as well as their early legislative plans?

    The media and citizenry is going into shell-shock.

    • Treant

      Shell-shock. However, they should realize (and don’t) that people with PTSD start reacting out of all proportion with events. Eventually one thing, no matter how small, will set them off and things are going to get ugly for the administration.

      • Todd20036

        Going to get…?

  • greenmanTN

    Sweet holy fuck. Yeah, because Japanese Internment Camps were such a shining example of America at its best, and something we should strive for.

    I invite him to read George Takei’s account of his family being rounded up and put in a camp.

    When the best you can say is “At least we didn’t put them in ovens!” You are in very scary territory.

    • Todd20036

      Especially when they probably would put us into ovens, if it came to that.

      • Steverino

        Singing “Jesus loves me…”

  • Oh’behr

    Sure, everything old in Trump Amerikkka is new again.Sigh, we’re fuckkked.

  • Stephen Elliot Phillips

    Why dont we just take all the assets of “undesirable people”, houses, cars, bank accounts and give all those goodies to the unfortunate and downtrodden real americans.
    Hitler knew how to please the common volk.

    • greenmanTN

      Don’t forget the gold tooth fillings!

    • Chucktech

      Just as we did to the Japanese before we put them in the camps.

      • Todd20036

        I repeat. This is what will get me to flee. Internment camps for Muslims will be only the beginning.

        Next will be us.

        And you know they want to kill us

    • zhera

      That is EXACTLY how it’s being played. A meme I saw the other day:

      “We should help our own veterans before we help refugees from elsewhere.”

      Pitting two vulnerable groups against each other to excuse that you can’t support both (in reality none are supported), instead of going after the big fish, as in the 0.1%.

      And the gullible morons who only care about themselves eat it up like a greasy BigMac.

      • NancyP

        Well, I agree that in a limited world, disabled vets ought to be helped before refugees. But this is supposed to be a wealthy “Christian” country – help both! (In reality, even vets are likely to get less help simply because of the increasing number of non-white vets out there.)

        • B Snow

          And ya know, we could kill two birds with one stone — give vets jobs helping immigrants settle in the US. Some of them may even have some experience with the refugees’ countries of origin.

  • crewman

    I wonder if they have ever read the Constitution. Amendment 1:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    • zhera

      BUT BUT BUT that’s to protect christianity only! Save Jeeziz! Donate now!

    • lymis

      Sadly, there are people who will, in all seriousness, tell you that anything other than Christianity is not a real religion and is therefore not protected by the Constitution.

  • BobSF_94117

    Shorter Kelly: “Don’t talk about scary stuff… you might give people the impression that Trump is a bad president-elect!”

    As for the comparison, he’s quite right. Their plans are similar to the stain of internment camps.

    • Todd20036

      Except at least for the Chinese Americans, they didn’t use ovens.
      For Muslims/gays/etc, they just might

      • MBear

        I’m sure Monsanto has something more efficient in store…perhaps a chemical that will melt us into fertilizer or food for those who are not in the 1% and destined for a lifetime of servitude to their wealthy overlords

        • kareemachan

          Soylent….red white and blue?

      • BobSF_94117

        The internment camps were for Japanese-Americans. Which isn’t to say the Chinese weren’t also treated badly in a Trump-inspiring way, but that was the previous century.

        [edit] The Chinese Exclusion Act wasn’t repealed until 1943, so it spanned two centuries. [/edit]

  • BobSF_94117

    Not to do their work for them, but a registry was in place from 2001 to 2011, when the powers that be decided it was redundant and wasteful. Trump’s “revolution” — registry, fences, etc. — is just going to be what Obama was already doing, but with a nasty snarl, cuz it makes his doofus supporters feel good.

  • jimbo65

    At this point an asteroid should hit us and wipe the slate clean. If this is what the world is coming to, I’m not sure I want to be in it.

    • Bj Lincoln

      According to what I saw on a ticker this morning, Stephen Hawking said humans will not make it another 1000 years. I don’t know in what context and I am going to look it up but I will take his word for it.

      • Amanda B. Rekendwith

        Most days I think 10 months is a stretch.

        • Amanda B. Rekendwith

          But maybe I’m being optimistic!

      • B Snow

        I don’t like to think about it, and I don’t even have kids. When you consider all the species that have gone extinct before us, you realize it’s just a matter of time.

    • Amanda B. Rekendwith
  • Bj Lincoln

    So Drumpf and Co. haven’t read the rules for vetting people who want to enter. IF they had, they would see that it is already stringent and time consuming taking up to 2 years. We are NOT just letting anyone in with no system of checks like the GOP wants us to believe.
    It’s not just scary, it’s WRONG!

    • IamM

      What’s scary is RethugliCons still aren’t being held accountable even for lying and being evil much less for being wrong or stupid.

    • They don’t care. Got to keep the racist base happy.

  • SoCalGal20

    Well that didn’t take long for somebody to suggest!

  • ETownCanuck

    “Hmmm….I wonder where else there might be a registry of names…perhaps a list of same-sex couples who just got married….won’t that come in handy for our camps?”
    This was the only thing that gave me pause for thought when my husband and I married. What if someday that official record was used against us?

    • kareemachan

      Well, I’m sure obese Fart-face in KY – Kim whats-her-name – would be glad to help out with that.

  • boatboy_srq

    There are “precedents” for torture, ethnic cleansing, prosecution of witchcraft, mass executions and many more despicable actions. There’s even a precedent for taking one’s governments and literally throwing it out a window (the Defenestration of Prague, 1618). Precedents are not the policy sinecure Higbie thinks.

  • Charlie

    those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it?

    • B Snow

      Except substitute “looking forward to” instead of “doomed” for the Deplorables.

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  • Acronym Jim

    “I’m just saying there is precedent for it,” Higbie replied. “You can’t be citing Japanese internment camps for anything the President-elect is going to do,” Kelly fired back in a raised voice.”

    No Megyn, that’s YOUR job.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    First off, that was hardly an admonishment, more like a slap on the wrist. Can’t wait to see her reaction when he suggests there’s a German precedent for gassing prisoners. She might actually show real concern.

    On another note, he’s a former Navy Seal….what does that say about the current membership of the U.S. Military? Talk about terrifying.

  • Mike Knife

    Japanese Internment Camps Are Precedent For Muslim Refugees, are concentration camps like Hitler had in Nazi Germany, and so it begins, the rounding up of minorities to put in camps, first they came for the Muslims, then the homosexuals and then……………..

  • No! NO! NO!

    Oh good god, what have the American people gone and done when they voted for that fermented shit Trump?

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      Given this, Bannon, comments by others in his transition team and news that confirms Russia was involved with the Trump win, one has to wonder if the Electoral College would not, in fact, step in. Doubtful of course, but still, it’s a nice thought.

  • Gene Perry

    “I’m not a racist bigot, but I think internment camps are a great idea” … gee, these Trump supporters are swell!

  • “I’m just saying there is precedent for it. And it doesn’t matter if it’s a precedent that turns people’s stomachs.”

    That tell us all we need to know.

  • DN

    Took until the last second of the video for a moment of sanity… “you… get the protections… once you come here….”

  • Clive Johnson

    For the past two years on Breitbart (about as long as I’ve been visiting the site) all I’ve seen there is over the top hatred for Muslims. All Muslims are just like the most extreme Muslims, so the non-thought goes. (I don’t know how many times I’ve tried to correct this poor thinking but it doesn’t matter.) I’ve seen numerous calls for genocide against Muslims by these good, Godly, Christian conservatives.

    If these idiots decide to act in any significant way on their hatred and fear the rest of us must act. I don’t know what that point is, and reasonable people will disagree on it, but we can’t let our darkest impulses keep repeating themselves without consequence.

  • coram nobis

    It’s sad to say that in a strict legal sense, the precedent is there. Two WWII Supreme Court cases, Hirabayashi v. U.S., 320 U.S. 81 (1943) and Korematsu v. U.S., 323 U.S. 214 (1944) ruled, in essence, the U.S. can detain U.S. nationals in wartime, on a racial or other basis, in the name of national security. The latter case did raise a strict-scrutiny criterion, but that an emergency can meet that test.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korematsu_v._United_States

    The Supreme Court has never really overruled them. In the 1980s there was a lower-court case, Hirabayashi v. U.S., 828 F.2d 591 (9th Cir., 1987), which ruled that the cases were in error (FDR’s lawyers in essence lied to the Court), but that was the 9th Circuit, and a lower court can discredit a higher court but not overturn them. The Guantánamo cases, later on, were convoluted but did little to change the idea that the U.S. government could round up people on the by pleading wartime necessity, strict scrutiny met by an assertion like “”The very fact that no sabotage has taken place to date is a disturbing and confirming indication that such action will be taken.” (fn. 3/15, Korematsu)

    To overrule these cases, you’d need a new set of plaintiffs, people who have been freshly rounded up, and somehow get it to a Court that would hear them. Their lawyers would find the Korematsu dissents helpful (Frank Murphy may have coined the word “racism”), but it’s up to a Court with whoever is sitting there at the time.

    Sorry, but there it is.

    • coram nobis

      Two dissents:

      https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/323/214/case.html

      This exclusion of “all persons of Japanese ancestry, both alien and non-alien,” from the Pacific Coast area on a plea of military necessity in the absence of martial law ought not to be approved. Such exclusion goes over “the very brink of constitutional power,” and falls into the ugly abyss of racism …

      Being an obvious racial discrimination, the order deprives all those within its scope of the equal protection of the laws as guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment. It further deprives these individuals of their constitutional rights to live and work where they will, to establish a home where they choose and to move about freely. In excommunicating them without benefit of hearings, this order also deprives them of all their constitutional rights to procedural due process.
      — Murphy, J. dissenting, Korematsu

      But once a judicial opinion rationalizes such an order to show that it conforms to the Constitution, or rather rationalizes the Constitution to show that the Constitution sanctions such an order, the Court for all time has validated the principle of racial discrimination in criminal procedure and of transplanting American citizens. The principle then lies about like a loaded weapon, ready for the hand of any authority that can bring forward a plausible claim of an urgent need.

      Of course, the existence of a military power resting on force, so vagrant, so centralized, so necessarily heedless of the individual, is an inherent threat to liberty. But I would not lead people to rely on this Court for a review that seems to me wholly delusive. The military reasonableness of these orders can only be determined by military superiors. If the people ever let command of the war power fall into irresponsible and unscrupulous hands, the courts wield no power equal to its restraint.
      — Robert Jackson, J., dissenting, Korematsu

  • T-Batwoman

    I get that Kelly is a right wing shill but it almost seems like she is getting sick of it as well. . . . .I am probably wrong, I dunno.

  • coram nobis

    Whatever it’s worth, James Clapper has just resigned and will leave at the end of Obama’s tenure.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/17/james-clapper-resigns-director-national-intelligence

    He did lie at least once in Congressional hearings, denying that NSA collected data on millions of Americans (see article), so maybe he’d better get away from US jurisdiction before Jan. 20, or he could be up on charges.

  • DesertSun59

    I DARE Carl Higbie to say that to George Takei’s face.

  • Will Parkinson

    Ooh, I suddenly became an atheist Muslim. Where do I sign up?

  • greenmanTN

    I’ve already commented on the politics of this,but WTF is up with Megyn’s top with the little shoulder cut-outs? Is she scheduled to a appear in a 1980s Pat Benatar video afterward and doesn’t have time to change?

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      I had a similar thought

  • NO MORE GOP!

    Filth.

  • NOW she’s worried about making people scared??

  • Richard

    Its only the beginning folks…….. There’s going to be a lot of people in America that will be sorry they voted for Trump, but by then it will be way too late.

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not
    speak out–Because I was not a Socialist.
    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out–
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not
    speak out– Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me–and there was no one left to speak for me.


    Martin Niemoller

  • Orly

    Well, there’s precedent for owning slaves too. Are you suggesting we do that as well?

    Come on Kelly, when are you going to figure out what these people actually are.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Oh she knows exactly what they are and she is fine with it.

  • JCF

    I just can’t decide sometimes, re Rethugs: are they more Evil? Or more Ignorant?

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      one leads to the other