Haters Scream Over Trump’s Obergefell Statement

Last night Donald Trump bizarrely declared that Obergefell v Hodges is “settled law” – but Roe v Wade is somehow not. As you can see, hate group leaders are furious. Right wing commentator Rod Dreher says the hate groups should surrender on same-sex marriage and focus on other ways of destroying LGBT civil rights. From his column today in the American Conservative:

I did not support Obergefell, I believe the legal scholars who say it’s poorly reasoned, and I would be pleased to see it overturned. But Obergefell is a decision that’s widely supported in our culture, and will be gaining higher levels of support as the elderly die. I see no reason to waste political capital attempting to reverse it. (Note well that a reversal would only mean each state gets to decide its own marriage law. Most states would pass same-sex marriage at once, and those that didn’t would get there within a decade.)

It’s far, far more sensible for a Trump administration and conservative activists to put their attention on protecting religious liberty in an Obergefell world, both through laws and by confirming judges, especially Supreme Court justices, who have a strong sense that religious schools and institutions must not be discriminated against for practicing their faith with regard to marriage, family, and sexual expression.

This is where a reasonable compromise can be achieved. It’s not going to thrill either religious conservatives or LGBT activists, but it’s something we can live with. Plus, it will be a great thing if the Trump administration ends the federal government’s Title IX crusade, especially on the trans front. Those issues are the ones for conservatives to hold the new president’s feet to the fire on, not the overturning of Obergefell.

Note that Dreher completely ignores the federal benefits granted by Obergefell.set4

  • What Trump personally thinks about same-sex marriage will be irrelevant once he installs hard-right judges.

    • BobSF_94117

      What he thinks is that he can fool us. He knows damn well the judges he’ll appoint will “return marriage to the states” and end SSM in half the country.

      • Gustav2

        Like he said regarding abortion being sent back to the states. “They can just go to another state.”

        • That denies Federal protections and benefits even as simple as filing taxes. That’s not the solution.

          • j.martindale

            Well, that is the whole point. The right wing needs to have a minority they can discriminate against.

          • GayOldLady

            Well, we’ve been a pretty reliable whipping boy for the majority of my life. But they’ll go after Roe first, still they’ll need more than the replacement of Scalia to overturn Roe.

          • TheJudgement

            Dang, you would think they would have enough. How long is that list?

          • JCF

            Depends whether Windsor is overturned (obviously, that the RWNJ ‘phobes’ goal)

      • GayOldLady

        There were 35 States that recognized Marriage Equality before Obergefell. The problem is that many of those states recognized Marriage Equality not by referendum, but by Federal Court action. My question is: If Obergefell is overturned by SCOTUS, would that also negate the Federal Court rulings in those States thus nullifying Marriage Equality in those States?

        • lymis

          First, it’s a big if.

          But second, it would depend on both what the actual text of the ruling was (the reasons for overturning a previous SCOTUS ruling) and what the basis of those state rulings were.

          By definition, any case ruling before Obergefell didn’t rely on Obergefell, but likely Lawrence or Windsor or even an analysis of the 10th or 14th amendments, or the specific requirements of the state Constitution.

          Unless the new Court declared affirmatively that same-sex marriage is inherently unconstitutional, it’s wildly unlikely that overturning Obergefell would void those other rulings.

          And depending on how they worded the ruling, it’s possible that they could allow states to make some decisions, but not to completely bar a whole class of people from the institution.

          • MDixon34

            To me they really need to look at Loving v. Virginia when SCOTUS ruled that all states must recognize inter-racial marriage, that effectively took control of marriage away from the states and gave it to the feds in my opinion.

    • Scott MB

      Hold on, remember if he does appoint a conservative judge to SCOTUS we are just back to the same make up as with Scolia. We are no better or worse off.

      The only issue we will run into is if RBG can’t make it another four years. However, even then they can’t just wipe up some case and ride it to SCOTUS to overturn SSM. They need a case that is unlike Obergefell with completely different arguments and evidence. It is like the prosecution getting a not guilty verdict. They can’t bring the same charges for the same crime against the defendant. There must be extremely new evidence, proof that the judge mishandled the case, jury tampering by the defendent, etc. in order to get past double jeopardy. This is almost impossible. It is the same way here, the anti marriage equality people must find some case that so far reaches anything they have used in Obergefell to get SCOTUS to hear it let alone overturn it. With the current make up, even with another conservative judge appointed, it won’t happen. If RBG doesn’t make it then we have something to worry about. But if she can pull three years out then the Dems can pull what the Repubs did about a SCOTUS appointment in a Presidents lame duck year. What’s good for the goose is good for the racist.

      • lymis

        All true. And with only one new Justice, it’s likely to be the way it plays out.

        However, remember that it’s pretty inevitable that they’ll get at least one RFRA case before them sooner rather than later. A sufficiently partisan, ideologically driven Court could use that as the wedge to declare Obergefell (and Windsor, and even Lawrence) to be too sweeping because they fail to adequately protect the religious sensibilities of the poor put-upon Christian majorities.

        I’d love to say that can’t happen, but at this point, nothing awful is impossible.

        • Scott MB

          Even with a RFRA case before SCOTUS with the current make up it is unlikely to go their way. RFRA is nothing more than trying to pass a law that protects the First Amendment, something that doesn’t need protection. You don’t need a law to protect the Constitution, the supreme law of the US. Religious freedom is already one of the two most protected things in this country, even more than the right to bear arms, so it would be redundant to pass a law to protect a law.

          Not saying that shit can’t happen, but I am still at least a little more optimistic. Yes there are a lot of “IFs” here, but there have been a lot of “IFs” for our communities throughout history and look where we are today. I am 47 and never thought I would see marriage equality in my lifetime. I am just trying to look at the bright side while understanding that there are storm clouds on the horizon.

      • buttle

        “But if she can pull three years out then the Dems can pull what the Repubs did”

        IF RBG and Kennedy and Breyer all stay healthy. And IF you win the senate in 2018. And then IF you win the white house in 2020. There are way too many IFS. It looks grim.

        • MDixon34

          Warren/Newsom 2020!! (or other way around I’ll be happy with)

      • tristram

        That’s a lot of good and valid thinking which gets us nowhere. RBG, Kennedy and Breyer, none of them young, ALL need to stay healthy and sane for 4 years at least – more likely 8 years. The Dems have no chance of taking the Senate in 2018 – they have to defend twice as many seats as the GOP, many of them in red states. And I don’t think you appreciate the magnitude of what just happened. The Republicans rightists now control the entire federal government and the vast majority of states. They are not afraid to use the power that gives them. Just look at Wisconsin. Dems had it in Hillary’s column all along and had counted on Feingold taking Johnson’s Senate seat. No way. Scott Walker decimated the unions, restricted voting in minority areas, neutered the universities and attracted a massive Koch-funded misinformation campaign. They will export that nationwide and there’s no reason to think it won’t succeed in every state that doesn’t touch salt water- maybe excepting Illinois.
        And the right never brought Roe back to SCOTUS because they had not lined up the votes there, not because they couldn’t find the right case. Rest assured they have multiple cases – probably based on state legislation – sitting in a folder waiting for the balance on SCOTUS to shift. At which point they will file in a friendly district in a friendly circuit and be off to the races.

        • Ninja0980

          Indeed, WI is a solid red state now and the Democratic party like in so many other states has been reduced to nothing.

          • jonfromcalifornia

            Which is why I have included it in my list of states to avoid supporting financially by buying anything from them.

          • Diamond Mike

            It isn’t so much a red state as it is a White State, afraid of everyone else. Be proud! Wear your hood and robes with dignity! Welcome to Trump’s AmeriKKKa.

  • Todd20036

    If you think I feel reassured by Trump’s happy talk, well, remember the Pope Frankie’s happy talk on gay rights? Sure you do.

    • olandp

      Oh? Is The Advocate making Don the Con Man of the Year this year? /s

      • Todd20036

        Would it surprise you if they actually do that?

        • People still read The Advocate?

          • Todd20036

            A few quislings, I’d wager. My guess is that they have a full bulk prescription clients and ad revenue.

            But if the recycle bins are any indication, no one in my building reads that rag.

          • I read it in the 90s and then they went glossy and it because “Gay People Magazine”. No depth and nothing I hadn’t already read elsewhere. I can’t believe they haven’t folded by now.

          • Todd20036

            Me neither, especially since they already made the most anti gay bastards Advocates of the Year.

            I’ve no use for them.

          • wmforr

            I stopped my subscription once I realize I had to hunt for the political articles among the glossy ads for ugly, overpriced clothes I wouldn’t be caught dead in and the majority of gay people couldn’t afford. They kept sending it to me for three or four years (since they needed the numbers to price their ads), but finally gave up.
            Ah, me! It used to be run by angry firebrands.

          • Mrs. Councillor Nugent

            It’s still published?

          • Todd20036

            Yes. That, I am certain of.

          • Menergy

            yeah, somehow I got subscribed or gifted or something with free hard copy subscriptions to “The Advocate” and”Out” – both arrive in the mail together in a white opaque vinyl wrapping. Definitely recycle bin worthy.

          • Frostbite

            Magazines surivie by advertising and there are plenty of booze, cologne, and clothing ads to push at the LGBT populace.

        • olandp

          Not at all.

    • Jeffrey

      The Pope is no different than Don the Con. He doesnt quite know how to do the job so he tries to say something to placate everyone. Deep down the pope doesn’t mind gay people, he has close gay friends. Same can be said for Donald, Im sure. However, they both sold their souls for what they thought would be the Dream Job. Catholics are supposed to love the Pope no matter what. Donald should have ran for Pope instead.

      • Jay Silversmith

        “the pope has close gay friends.” You mean all the priests??

        • Jeffrey

          Yup

        • wmforr

          No, the married gay couple from Argentina who visited him the same day the Right foisted Kim Davis on him.

      • jonfromcalifornia

        Is that why the Pope is slowly replacing the ultraconservative US Conference of Catholic Bishops with more moderate Bishops like Cupich?

  • Gustav2

    I can’t tell you how pleased I am Rod Dreher can live with state sponsored discrimination against my husband and I. I just can’t.

    • Ernest Endevor

      I know, it’s thrilling that he can be so magnanimous.

      • Todd20036

        I, for one, and looking forward to our new ant overlords….

        • Uncle Mark

          Me too !! I’m getting my big stomping boots to welcome them

      • Gustav2

        It’s thrilling that he and religious institutions can be so magnanimous while reaching into our wallets for tax dollars, but deny us access.

    • BobSF_94117

      Rod Dreher has been a lying asshole for decades. He’d be glad if sodomy laws were still on the books.

      • doninkansas

        They are in Kansas and our asshole governor left them there because he hopes the Supreme Court ruling will be overturned and the state of Kansas will be ready!

    • Uncle Mark

      At least Rod Dreher recognizes your marriage now; he just doesn’t recognize us as equal citizens or human beings. Funny, I feel the exact same way about him and his group of hateful mental defectives.

      • Gustav2

        It is legal, but he has to decide how legal it really is.

        It is like we are felons on probation.

  • CPT_Doom

    Why did anyone on the right think a thrice-married sexual predator would care about their social issues. He’s making noises about abortion, of course, because he explicitly used that to gain the evangelical vote, but I doubt he really cares about that either. After all, if abortion is outlawed here, he’ll have to spend more $$ to send his and his sons’ whores out of the country for their abortions.

    • clay

      Abortion will more quickly/likely be a state-level issue. Women in states where Trump won will more likely lose access, whereas many of the blue states have state-level protections already in place.

      • Todd20036

        And will get a lot of additional business from red state clients… until Trump makes it a felony for women to cross state borders to get an abortion

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          I’m actually pretty angry about how many “My abortion is the only holy abortion” women there obviously are. Sure, they gloat now until they’re the one who needs it or their daughter/sister is. But right after the procedure, many of them will be back in church flapping their lips about whores/jezebels who kill innocent babies in their holy wombs and should be punished with hellfire.

          • Todd20036

            That won’t happen anymore. They’ll die in back alleyways along with any other woman who needs an abortion in a red state.

            And if the RWNJs have their way, even an ectopic pregnancy won’t be a valid excuse to have an abortion.

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            It seems dying or having a friend/family member die is the only way to prove something to them.

          • Todd20036

            Maybe. But not always. “God’s Will” trumps even family relationships.

      • Have you seen the huge stretch of red states out west? How will poor women in most of the country (geographically speaking) get to a clinic? They’ll do something dangerous and drastic instead. Rich people can just fly to Canada but poor women will be in a horrible situation.

        • Todd20036

          And no one will care, even if these women voted from Trump

        • clay

          Yes, they will. And their older neighbors will have voted to do that to them. And I have no doubt that the “religious freedom” acts will allow pharmacists and other medical practitioners to deny service to women (and gay men).

          • tristram

            To the extent any of those things now depend on federal funding, the states that want to protect them will have to fund them, too. And it’s not 2 to 4 years – it’s 4 years guaranteed and most likely 8. And at the end of 8 years of GOP control in Washington and in 70% of the state capitals, Trump’s prediction of ‘rigged elections’ will be absolutely accurate. The GOP has all the levers of power and no compunction about using them.

          • clay

            Probably why Obama has selected gerrymandering as the big issue he’s going to work on come January.

        • fuow

          Yup. Pity they voted for him. The ones who least can afford it will be the ones to suffer the most.

          • Bj Lincoln

            I personally don’t have any pity for a woman who voted for him.

          • Ninja0980

            Neither do I.
            They’ll deserve what they get.

          • JCF

            I think some may have “invincible ignorance”: have been raised/married into a patriarchal/FUX bubble. Yes, I pity them.

          • wmforr

            Whatever he does, there’s going to be a lot of buyers’ remorse in the next four years. We know he’s not going to “bring the jobs back” unless he can convince his Republican Congress to put massive financial support into infrastructure. They’ll stymie him on that one, and in 2020 he’ll run on, “Uh, four years wasn’t enough to keep my promises… but give me four more, and I’ll really, really get it done.” Typical politician.

        • ColdCountry

          It’s the poorest women in the poorest states who will suffer most, you’re right.

          • wmforr

            For many “go to another state” is not a financial option.

          • ColdCountry

            Many of the red states are so large, it’d be almost impossible for some to even go to a different part of the state. As they have to do now in some places.

    • wmforr

      Trump, one may have noticed, cares not about any of the issues. The best way for the sane legislators to manipulate him is to stroke his ego. If he really believed coming out for marriage equality would make him a hero and cause the entire country to applaud him, he’d do it.

  • Michael Abbett

    He’s already stabbing them in the back. I’m feeling slightly more amused daily by this and less anxious.

    • So… you think the hard-right judges Trump picks to overturn Roe vs. Wade won’t also overturn Obergefell?

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I’m not laughing unless Trump puts Garland on the bench THEN I’ll laugh.

        • Todd20036

          I’m not laughing until Trump is impeached. Then you can BET I’ll laugh

          • Dazzer

            He’s never going to be impeached by a Republican House and Senate.

          • Todd20036

            He will be if be inconveniences his overlords too much.

            Not saying that would be better for us, but it sure as hell would be amusing.

          • Chicago joe

            Gone by 2019….one way or another

      • Michael Abbett

        That’s a long road. In the meantime, if they go right out of the gate focusing on all of this social agenda crap then the people who supposedly put him in office for financial reasons, the rural poor, are going to get less and less from him as their issues sit on some back burner. Every president has to pick his battles, and I think Roe and Obergefell appear more difficult and long-term than Trump’s four years, if he even lasts that long, which I predict he won’t. He looks like he’d rather be anywhere else than in that office right now.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          The GOP never cared about the rural poor and the rural poor just don’t seem to notice that they don’t care.

          Trump will then be replaced by Pence who is a viper’s nest of social conservative beliefs.

          • Michael Abbett

            And how well did that work for him in Indiana? Corporations aren’t about to let their best and brightest employees be pushed aside. They can’t function. There are a lot of people from India here on work visas where my husband works in the IT field in jobs that they couldn’t fill with locals and they’re all terrified they’re going to get their work visas canceled, calling home and wondering what to do. There aren’t enough skilled people now to fill the tech jobs in a lot of places. I was here while Pence’s RFRA thing was played out and Salesforce.com and many others were very close to pulling out. The CEO of Angie’s List, a Republican, considered running against Pence for governor over it. The business community hated him for costing them conventions, new employees, etc. Eventually Pence will hit the same wall with corporate America in Washington that he did in Indiana. He might be VP now, but he’s still a fool who doesn’t learn from his mistakes, and is too provincial to understand how things really work.

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            That’s the problem. Pence is a stubborn fool who’ll continually to roil the waters. Also, it seems the corporate wing of the GOP seems to be losing its pull because the base is REALLY against immigrant workers and the GOP politicians are kowtowing to the base because that’s where the votes are.

            Unless corporations also withdraw contributions for down ballot GOPers and are willing to boycott red states for making their hiring a lot harder, then the politicians won’t change their behavior in fear of losing votes.

          • Michael Abbett

            When the migrant workers are run out and the base starts having to pay $15 a pound for tomatoes and there’s no one to do their gardening or serve them a meal in a restaurant or change their sheets they’ll understand how this economy works. They’re more than willing to bitch about immigrants now but don’t want to take the low-paying jobs some of them perform and can’t in most cases do the skilled labor that some of the rest perform. They are sitting there expecting the factory and coal jobs they used to have to just magically-deliciously return with a livable wage. That’s fantasy land.

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            I think a few red states actually ran out workers to the point crops were left rotting in the field and they still vote red. The stupidity is stubborn. I bet even the farmers whose crops rotted still voted red. In one case, one state decided to use prison labor.

        • fuow

          I hope you’re right. I think President Obama sat him down and told him the whole, complete, unvarnished truth and it scared him shitless.
          Which it should.

      • kanehau

        That would be difficult at best since there are now millions of married gay couples. To undo that would be a logistics nightmare. (Not that they won’t try)

    • j.martindale

      Wait for the SCOTUS appointment before you get happy about any of this. The President isn’t the one who makes the decision about what is settled law. The court does. His advisers said to lie about his point of view. Then appoint someone who overturns the law.

      • Michael Abbett

        Oh, I’m not happy, but I’m finding the hand-wringing on the right rather amusing. It’s as if they weren’t paying attention to his flip-flops at all during the last year and a half. They’re all pretty puffed up about this big victory of theirs right now, but when the wealth gets redistributed even more to the rich and they get nothing, plus lose their healthcare, food stamps, medicare and the manufacturing and coal jobs don’t come back, there will be hell toupee.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          The GOP voting base don’t seem to really notice. They just keep voting GOP anyway. Many of the worst states for living there still keep voting in GOPers anyway. They lost everything because of the GOP, often their land is contaminated to the point people get sick and die, and they STILL vote GOP.

        • j.martindale

          You would think, wouldn’t you. Except that Faux News will spin every failure into a success, or if not a success, someone else’s fault. And the gullible right wing will fucking eat it up! They have been doing that for decades. The Iraq War and the recession and ISIS all were the fault of the Democrats. We are in the worst crime wave in American History despite the fact that statistics say just the opposite. The Obama administration has been an economic disaster, despite the fact that we have record high stock prices, low fuel prices and low unemployment. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. The sheeple think Rethugs are going to protect them, and they are already planning on dismantling the entire social safety net.

          • Todd20036

            Yup. Katrina was the fault of Obama, even though he wasn’t in office.

            9/11 was the fault of Bill Clinton

            W had nothing to do with the economy imploding in 2008

            Etc.

          • Bill_Perdue

            Dixiecrat B Clinton promoted the Republicans NAFTA and their deregulation acts of 1999 and 2000. Those acts and the loss of union jobs and the housing boom that created economic chaos are the direct and major cause of the economic failure that began in 2007-08 and which continues to this day in the form of income inequality, low wages and attacks on unions.

            The proof is overwhelming. The Democrats recovery is a cruel hoax.

            The BLS monthly jobs report –always chock full of useful information about the state of the working class—was released last Friday as the election campaign enters the final month. It was kind of lost in the shuffle between Hurricane Matthew and new outrage about the misogynist Republican nominee. That was just fine with his Democrat opponent.

            BLS says, “The unemployment rate, at 5.0 percent, and the number of unemployed persons, at 7.9 million, changed little in September. Both measures have shown little movement, on net, since August of last year.”

            That’s the “official” unemployment stat. But also reported, there are an additional 1.8 million long-term jobless now designated as only “marginally attached to the workforce” and another 5.9 million are listed as “involuntary part-time”—both numbers essentially unchanged. Combined as the “real” unemployment, these three measures show a job creation that has become stalled—hardly keeping up with new first-time job seekers–while leaving behind 15.6 million who want full-time jobs but can’t find one. http://kclabor.org/wordpress/?p=943

            From KC Labor http://kclabor.org/wordpress/

          • j.martindale

            Fuck yourself, asshole. I am not in the mood for idiots.

          • Dazzer

            Just ignore or block him. I trolled the fuck out of him yesterday and this is just his way trying to start Round 2.

            Don’t get angry. Just remember he’s a sad old man and this is the only way he knows of communicating with people.

            He’s damaged and this is why he has no friends – he has no idea of how to communicate with people.

          • Bill_Perdue

            The voice of the UKIP squeals it’s hatred for the left.

          • Bill_Perdue

            Learn to red, dixiecrat.

          • The Return of Traxley

            Right. My neighbor insists that crime is epidemic. More people are sponging off welfare than ever before. There are no jobs. Healthcare was more affordable and easier to get before Obamacare — pre-existing conditions didn’t disqualify people from getting it.

            I’m still reeling from my talk with him. I can’t get over how hurt I feel.

        • fuow

          Yes, and they deserve it. The rest of us, not so much.
          Except for the gay men who either stayed home, voted third party or for Trump.
          They deserve everything coming down the corridor. In spades.

  • clay

    “Plus, it will be a great thing if the Trump administration ends the federal government’s Title IX crusade,”

    Title IX is not limited to women’s access to sports programs, but applies to all educational opportunities. This would open up Trump’s Fordham to return to male-only education. Title IX applies to women’s education being interrupted/ limited by sexual assault and harassment, so no more Cleary Act reporting or federal protections on campus or on-campus housing, unless the state or college steps in with their own protections.

    • Gustav2

      Well, maybe they be old fashioned religious institutions and refuse any of our tax dollars.

      • Are you kidding? No one loves gorging and the federal trough more than social conservatives. They only resent federal aid going to non-white people.

        • Gustav2

          And they don’t understand the conservative argument that once you receive tax dollars ALL citizens have access. Once a business opens its doors to the public, that means ALL the public.

  • geoffalnutt

    I want it to get funny. It’s not…yet. – at all.

    • Todd20036

      I make jokes as a coping mechanism. Feel free to do the same when you are ready

      • vorpal

        I alternate between hopelessness and irreverently joking about it because those are the only ways I know how to deal with my loss of faith in humanity. I feel like I don’t even know how to human any more. 😿

        • Todd20036

          Yeah. There’s a reason I’m looking into escape routes.

          I’m fortunate enough to live in a blue area, so if the red states pass draconian laws, I’ll at least live in a place where I have some protection.

          But if the government starts cracking down on schools and universities, and Muslims start being forced into ghettos, then I’ll use my Jew card and run to Israel.

          Beats the camps.

  • we’re still here

    I doubt Trump supporters know or care who Brian Brown, Tony Perkins, and Bryan Fischer are. They are only just learning who Bannon is. All they know is that they voted for that guy from the Apprentice who promised to make them rich.

    • joe ho

      and make them feel superior to brown people.

    • clay

      That appears to half of Trump’s voters, but less than half of his supporters.

      • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

        Yup. The deplorable half.

  • boatboy_srq

    I love how the Reichwing Old Guard thinks they can control tRump.

    • Todd20036

      They don’t have to. Trump will just rubber stamp shit, not because he is under their control, but because he is too lazy to give a damn

      • doninkansas

        Didn’t one of his kids say something to the effect that his dad sees himself as the president of the company (USA) and will function as one, with Pence as his CEO who will take care of all the day to day things for him, just bringing him the papers to sign making things legal?

  • Texndoc

    Trump is just going to be the Henry Blake to Pence’s Radar.

    Radar : (shoves paper in front of the Commander) “Here sign this.”
    Signs. Radar walks out. Henry phones him.
    Henry: “Radar, what did I just sign?”

  • Mike in Texas

    Trump is taking the Pontius Pilate position.

    • Gustav2

      Well, the germaphobe Trump does often wash his hands.

  • clay

    OT: How big will he spin his Rumpledthinskin hair?

  • BobSF_94117

    Oh, lord. It’s all part of the plan. Trump saying “it’s settle law” serves only to reduce opposition to him. IT MEANS NOTHING.

    Brian Brown et al. are just playing their roles in the theater.

    Next up: SEE!!! from the Log Cabin-ettes.

  • joe ho

    Shouldn’t forget we’re in the full blown post-truth era now. What was said can be unsaid in the same sentence.

    • glass

      Some comedian said, in the last few days, that trump can have one position at the beginning of a sentence and completely change it by the end of the sentence.

  • Normally I’d get at least some Schadenfreude when the wingnuts are all worked up like this, but no. Tomorrow he’ll flip or flop to a different position. This is the biggest shitshow of my life. I can’t believe people voted for this ass-clown.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      I can’t get much joy out of this either. Trump will be punished but the GOP will get off scott free AGAIN.

    • j.martindale

      Sure. He will say shit like “settled law,” then appoint a SCOTUS judge who will say it isn’t settled law. Then the right wing crazies get everything they want, and he gets a pass from the gays for his liberality. No, there is nothing to be happy about.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I don’t get how fucking calm some people are. It’s one thing to be numb and go “we’re doomed” (I totally get that) but the happy-happy joy-joy people aggravate the hell out of me.

    • fuow

      I can – and I warned against it from the beginning. Got a lot of shit for being a Debbie-Downer about it, too.
      Wish I’d been wrong, wrong, thrice wrong about the levels of gay men turning out.

      • Ninja0980

        Sad to say but others failed to turn out even more then us.
        We can’t win elections solely by ourselves and the other people we needed let us down.. simple as that.

        • fuow

          Yup – they did. I focus on gay men because that makes me impermeable against the PC-Nazis who, the moment a white, gay man speaks up plunge in and protest that I have no right to speak for anyone who isn’t a ginger with freckles, green eyes and a rotten disposition. Oh, and at least 6’3″.
          But, yes – the groups threatened by Trump and his minions should stand with us just as we must stand with them. Didn’t happen. A part of me (the rotten disposition part) wishes them all the horrors they’re now in for. That’s just the child in me. Realistically, we on the left have to learn to pull together even though we are all of the firm conviction that our way is the ‘only’ way. It’s how the rethugs won this election – many can’t stand Trump, but he’s got that ‘R’ behind him, that’s all that mattered. We can’t even get people to work together to protect the weakest and most subject to physical violence amongst us, our transgender brothers and sisters.

  • glass

    The only American that won this election is Donald Trump. He did whatever he had to in order to win. He only cares about what he can get out of being president. All the racist white bigots and gullible republicans/christians are going to get fucked really really hard, and WITHOUT lube.

    Trump is a con man who only wants fame and money, no one else matters to him, not even his family.

    Trump sold America a used car that doesn’t have an engine. And if you keep following him, he will take the transmission out as well.

  • Phil

    Realistically, you now have many married same-sex couples. It’s a bell that can’t be un-rung. Trump (who I did not vote for) is ok with Obergefell. It’s the only gig these foam-at-the-mouth phobes have going on. They’re grifters who prey on the blue haired set for money. Life goes on for the rest of us.

    • fuow

      Oh, gods, how adorable you are. And where does princess live? Just the name of the gated community, dahlin’. We don’t need or want to know more.

      • Phil

        Actually, I live in Rockford, IL. Rust belt. One of the highest crime rates in the state.

        Last month the house across the street and one down the street was torched in the middle of the night. I also am a retired corrections officer. Stereotype much?

  • Just a bit OT, but The Beast has managed to piss off China, too…

    From The Guardian….
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/14/china-threatens-to-cut-sales-of-iphones-and-us-cars-if-naive-trump-pursues-trade-war

  • Do Something Nice

    OT but not really OT:

    “Among other things, we need to come to terms, right now, with the terrifying reality that the Trump election empowers the worst of his supporters, who will try to make racism and homophobia and misogyny an acceptable part of the political discourse. And all of us, all of us, need to be ready to challenge that on every level.

    Trumpism will creep up on us. Universities will be attacked for “political correctness.” Workplace harassment policies will come under assault. Little bits of bigotry, disguised as more Locker Room Talk, will appear in public discourse.

    It won’t necessarily be overt, although some of it will. It’s going to be a slow, painful drip of horror in the way we treat each other – and we are going to have to be eternally vigilant. We have to love and support each other – and not give a micron over to the worst instincts of the worst supporters of the new president” –Tim Redmond

    http://48hills.org/2016/11/13/defending-san-francisco-values/

    • Why is that presented in the future tense. We’re already past that point. Trump said out loud what Romney and McCain said in dog whistles (and probably didn’t mean anyway). Is anyone reading this who doesn’t know someone who’s been threatened since the election? The racist threats are exploding and will get worse after the inauguration.

    • Jeffg166

      Being an old white guy I’m aware I’m getting the fish eye from people at bus stops. I can read their faces. They wonder if I voted for him. It’s going to be a long four years.

      • Dazzer

        Wear a safety pin or a BLM badge.

        • djcoastermark

          I have been hearing, and am intrigued, lately by the safety pin trend. I know what it stands for but can you please tell me more? such as how one wold wear it, is it any safety pin, are there certain colors etc? Is it catching on here in the US?

          • GayOldLady

            Yep…..It’s catching on. It is a safety pin and you wear it on your lapel or somewhere on your shirt. It’s a signal to anymore who is the target of bigotry or intimidation that you are ready to stand with them.

          • Dazzer

            see GOL’s response below. She knows more than me 🙂

          • djcoastermark

            Thank you. Reading the history was an eye opener, and the what to do link is quite helpful. I might add, It is sad we here in the US are even having to contemplate doing something like this.

          • You’re welcome! I can’t believe that it has become acceptable to be an open racist again. I thought those terrible dark days were over. Hopefully this cloud has a silver lining to finally get Americans talking about race and equality for all.

      • clay

        . . . the black woman standing apart from the buzz-headed white guy at the convenience store this morning . . .

      • fuow

        Yeah, I’ve a few real friends in their seventies and eighties who are already commenting on the same thing. One (first time he’s ever voted Democratic in his life) has taken to wearing his Hillary button again.

      • The Return of Traxley

        I hear you.

        Every time I see a couple of young dudes wearing Mossy Oak camo and chin beards and baseball caps getting out of a lifted pickup truck, I instinctively tense up.

        Potentially half the folks I run into might have voted for him. I am suspicious bordering on paranoid.

        • fuow

          It ain’t paranoia when it’s true.

      • Treant

        Wear a safety pin. I consider it not only “safe space” notification (which is a bit of a cop out as my powers are certainly very limited) but also notification that I didn’t vote for the bastard.

        • Jeffg166

          I think I like the idea of a “I didn’t for for the bastard.” button better.

          • Treant

            I’m sure you can get one made cheaply. Or just wait, somebody will come out with one.

    • fuow

      Of course, if gay men had bothered to vote – together with young women – this could have been avoided.
      But, heh – it’s more important to ‘vote your conscience’ and teach the Democratic Party a lesson. Yup. U-Huh.
      Congratulations. Welcome back to the world guys like us who lived through the seventies and Aids holocaust survived. You brought it on yourselves.

      • Bill_Perdue

        Large segments of the population are not going to be voting for parties led by racists, union busters and warmongers.

        While Trump is busy shredding the Republicans radicals are deserting the Democrats.

        • fuow

          Obviously. Then again, even Stalin was willing to work with the West and honour his commitments to them to protect the Rodina.
          Think about that for a bit, please.

          • Bill_Perdue

            Trotsky was correct. Stalinism is the syphilis of the workers movement.

            Actually leftists have been saying that or something like for since the late 1920’s.

        • Raising_Rlyeh

          Yes, because the businessman who fucked over workers is going to be so friendly to unions.

          • Bill_Perdue

            No, like H Clinton, Trump is a union buster.

            Yes, millions were radicalized by the campaign and rejected by both parties of racist, anti-worker and pro war right wing parties.

      • Do Something Nice

        Uh, I voted for Clinton, who ran a pretty awful campaign and had a lot of dirty tricks played against her.

  • Wesinoregon

    Toni is going to have the sadz today.

    • Phil

      He should be used to it by now. He seems to have had them his whole life, crabbed out, constipated, bleak existence that it’s been.

  • BobSF_94117

    I spent years commenting on Dreher’s site and have been banned for the last two. I’m “not arguing in good faith” you see, because I point out his lies with links back to past posts.

    When Rod Dreher wants to, he can say reasonable things. What he really supports are the worst of the RFRA laws, granting anyone and everyone the right to ignore laws if their “religious convictions” oppose them. Businesses, individuals, state govts. Anyone.

    • Todd20036

      It’s what the RWNJs want to get passed into law. And they just might do so. My guess is the blue states will not have such laws, but anyone who cannot escape a red state is going to be seriously screwed.

      My mother lives in Florida. All I have to do is get sick during a visit, and I could be turned away from a hospital once they find out I’m on HIV meds.

    • fuow

      Yeah, been there, done that. He bounced me a few years back with the comment I was one of the most intelligent people to ever comment and thus one of the most dangerous.
      I think she’s a major self-loathing fag and that’s at the root of her tremendous hatred of gays. The again, her hate-on for female transgender people is off the charts.

  • kanehau

    Hey Brian… if you want to get anywhere in the new Trump World Order – you should change your name from Brown to White.

    • Todd20036

      “Orange”

  • StillALiberal

    The difference between the Dehrer stealth position and the Brown/Fischer zero-sum game position is that Dehrer is “smart” enough to understand that a totally in-your-face attitude will provoke a massive backlash amongst not just LGBTs and straight allies but also many others. Forcible divorce/annulment of up to a million people creates many “human interest” stories that the media will cover time and time again. The ability of Christianists to play the victim will disappear when people see that only same sex couples are the ones suffering and this will expose the theocratic agenda to people with their head in the sand up to now. Dehrer is playing the long game – Brown/Fischer can only see the short term – All are scum of course.

  • fuow

    Yeah, and Bush#43 ran things, not Darth Cheney.
    We’re still in big trouble, especially our transgender brothers and sisters. We need to make sure we win 2018 to prevent further gerrymandering – we’ve lost 35 state governments now. How bad does it have to get before gay men wake up?

    • How bad does it have to get to wake up the majority of the American population? Was the campaign to long and the voters just gave up? Or did the polls lull folks into thinking they didn’t need to go and vote for HRC, because she was on her way to a gold star win?

      • clay

        Remember, the majority the American population did NOT vote for him, nor even the majority of voters in the recent election.

        • Jerry Kott

          You can only imagine the fury if the shoe were on the other foot!

          • Mike__in_Houston

            Shit. The right-wingers would be out there *demanding* that Trump be installed as president.

          • JCF

            SRSLY. If Hillary had won the EC, and lost the popular vote, she would have already appointed Ivanka to her Cabinet by now!

        • True, but with our government not being a direct vote, it really didn’t matter if she received more votes….sigh. Not a fan of the electoral college.

        • fuow

          True, but it’s of no immediate value.

      • Ninja0980

        A combination of all those things IMO.

  • gaymex1

    It’s a little late, but I wish my parents had been on a vacation in Canada when I was born.

  • Jerry Kott

    What LGBT Civil Rights?

    • Todd20036

      The right to marry anyone of the opposite gender you want

  • Bill

    In every case since the dawn of time, religion ruins every person it touches.

    Worse, it leaves the ruined believing they are superior to the intelligent.

    • And are given the “god given right” to kill whomever they wish.

  • So, Trump-a-palousa is already walking back everything he stumped on during the endless summer of politics? The wall has become a fence, same sex marriage is safe, abortion is out, Obamacare is staying…. Well then republicans, sounds like y’all bought a pig in a poke, yeah?

  • Jeffrey

    After a horrifying week with the knowledge that Trump will be POTUS, its been fun watching him walk back most of the major issues he ran on. Fascinating! I told my husband last night that if this keeps up he will be more liberal than Hillary by the time he actually is sworn in.

    • Todd20036

      He’ll appoint haters to high places. Moreover, he’ll rubber stamp bigoted legislation

      • Jeffrey

        Of course he will. He will appoint whoever they tell him to because he is an “outsider” in DC and will literally let the oil and banking industries help him figure out who would be good supreme court justices.

        • Todd20036

          That’s I’d be ok with. The banking industry would put forth LBGT rights, because anti LBGT laws will not make for good business.

          Not that they’d help the environment any, but they’d be the best of poor choices.

          It’s religious nuts telling him who to appoint is what worries me.

          • Jeffrey

            Yes, Im in banking and that is true. Money will trump religion, no pun intended.

  • TimCA

    Oh gay hating bigots, stop the screaming. Once the right wing “constitutionalist” SCOTUS nominee is revealed by Trump’s team, I’m sure you’ll be happy.

    People who believe that the gay haters that make up Trump’s advisors will let anyone committed to upholding civil rights (gay or otherwise) anywhere near that court need to have their heads examined…….speaking of Fisher, LaBarbera etc.

  • Bill_Perdue

    That has something to do with this: “The results, released Wednesday, are based on tracking interviews conducted throughout 2015 and 2016. By Gallup’s estimates, there are now about 491,000 same-sex marriages in the U.S., up from roughly 368,000 a year ago.” and the determined struggle of the LGBTQ communities against Bill Clintons DOMA. ht https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/25ade82925b692fbdc723dd8099f122265a5f86c1d1adad4c6ecdf0acead0ca8.png tp://www.cbsnews.com/news/same-sex-marriages-us-supreme-court-ruling-estimate/

    • Paula

      Great factual post, Bill. I didn’t know what the numbers were currently.

      • Bill_Perdue

        Facts are good.

  • OhNo,Sweetie

    He can wave his upside-down rainbow flag all over the place, but we know who the enemy is.

    • Jerry Kott

      Wasn’t there writing on the flag he was given to hold. So the fool who wrote on the flag wasn’t family or pretending to be. Trump is a pandering snake and it will be all exposed. The scales will tip where his supporters will soon be his worse nightmare.

      Hate is all his supporters have. When you take their Hate away, they have nothing.

      • OhNo,Sweetie

        The guy handed him the flag all folded up. It was a total joke.

  • Steve Smith

    Fact is, Trump knows that American companies need customers. American companies, by and large, are supportive of gay rights, women’ rights and non-discrimination policies, because those positions allow them good PR and the access they need to foreign markets. Your economy needs to export. I expect these businesses will be quite happy with a bit of repatriation of illegal immigrants but not at all happy with policies which make the USA look like its being run by the Taliban, albeit an christianist Taliban. So an immediate return to the 1950’s is as yet I feel not on the cards. So I think the evangelicals might be in for a disappointment for a while to come, by which time a substantial number of them might, hopefully, be dead. Just keep on fighting.

  • Blackfork

    “…it’s something we can live with”?
    Let’s try living with a TAX on churches and religious organizations that want direct interference and permanent presence in government?

  • GayOldLady

    In order for Obergefell to be overturned someone, some group would have to demonstrate “standing or locus standi is the term for the ability of a party to demonstrate to the court sufficient connection to and harm from the law or action challenged to support that party’s participation in the case”

    I’m not being naive about this, I know Marriage Equality is in danger, but replacing Scalia isn’t enough to overturn Obergefell. We still have 5 judges that ruled in favor of Obergefell. My biggest concern is the age of 3 of those Justices and their ability to work another 4 years. I also think the business community at large is against overturning Obergefell. If Obergefell is overturned you might see a migration of LGBT people to States where their marriages are recognized because an overturn would be the clearest signal yet that we’re in REAL danger in Red States. And not just in danger of losing our marriages, but in danger of losing our freedom to live our lives openly and honestly.

    • Jerry Kott

      I have been to the Battle Front and the enemies of full Equality will circle the wagons even tighter than they have. We have let them Write/Right the Rules to this game. Speak Up and Out. Truth and reality is their worst enemy. The only Power they have is the Power we give them.

      They hate noise, make lots of it! In the words of MLK- agitate, agitate,……….. Trump hates agitation!

    • Scott MB

      Completely agree, I made the same argument in another comment, however without the awesome legalese. Getting a case before SCOTUS to overturn Obergfell is going to be almost impossible. Look at Roe.v Wade, there have been no new cases brought because there is nothing new to argue. They can’t cry Jeebus and poof SCOTUS will rehear decided law.

      • fuow

        It may not be so difficult – Chief Justice Roberts isn’t as wedded to stare decisis as early Justices. We’re in real trouble.

      • tristram

        That’s just not so. They have total control of multiple states that would pass/enact legislation in 24 hours (think HB-2) designed to raise a question that SCOTUS could use to reverse Obergefell – and Windsor as well. I’m sure the ADM and Heritage folks have everything teed up to go the minute Trump’s second nominee is sworn in. That assumes that Robert’s will go along – and in the new world order I expect he will.

    • fuow

      Totally right. Remind me again, all you A-List Fags who couldn’t be bothered to vote how ‘they’re all the same’?

  • Richard B

    The religious bigots are still out there, still hate us, and want to use every tool they can to make us miserable 2nd class citizens in our country.

  • MonochromeMouse

    “This is where a reasonable compromise can be achieved.” There’s no such thing as “reasonable compromise” when it comes to civil rights, it’s all or nothing, and if it’s nothing expect the oppressed to rise up against the oppressor.

  • LLDEM

    DT was great friends with Joan Rivers who was a great friend to the gay community. Maybe he’ll channel her compassion when it comes to our community. Not placing any bets though.

  • KentDean

    Stepping back a little and watching: “Never interrupt your enemy when he is busy making a mistake.”

  • Mike Knife

    Trump is a two face snake and a fear monger.

  • justmeeeee

    What they don’t realize is that he’s probably not going to go after abortion either. Hell, his pockets are likely a few dollars lighter due to funding a few of those himself.

  • Acronym Jim

    I take satisfaction that Brian Brown is probably feeling like Charlie Brown trying to kick a football.

    • Maggie 4NoH8

      I’d take more satisfaction knowing he felt like Joan of Arc.

  • Bj Lincoln

    I don’t believe a thing Drumpf says one way or the other. He is a puppet for the RWNJ’s he just put in charge of…..everything. Our only hope is if all the Dems grow a pair and become the obstructionists the GOP has been for the last 8 years.

  • Cosmo Tupper

    It’s like this. Trump can utter whatever he wants to but his actions to instill a far-right Supreme Court Justice say otherwise. Once that Justice is there, then the President will have no say in the matter. The lawsuits will begin again and as soon as it hits the SCOTUS, it will be done and over. Our lives will revert to being marginalized, our rights will be destroyed and we will be left clamoring to survive – financially, emotionally and literally! I wish nothing but the worse for this sub-human cretin!

    • Reality.Bites

      What lawsuit? Who is going to sue and on what grounds?

      To get marriage back in the Court, a state needs to pass a new law defying Obergefel.

      • Yann

        There is plenty of State that will be please to be able to challenge Obergefell in court.

  • Dirk Prophet

    The very first thing Donald say about anything is more likely to be what he truly thinks.

  • Secure

    If they overturn it, the racists will then want Loving struck down.

    • Falconlights

      I never thought about that. But you’re right. This is a nightmare that you can’t wake from.

    • Maggie 4NoH8

      WILL want??? I suspect they already do… and plotting the way to that as well.

  • kirtanloorii

    Well, if those people are mad, I suppose I can’t be too mad. It does feel good to hear them scream.

  • Silver Badger

    If he doesn’t tow the line the right wing will assassinate Trump. Bet on it.

  • The Milkman

    Overturning Obergefell isn’t the only way to combat marriage equality. With more right-wing religious supremacists on the court, it’s very possible that they’ll validate these odious RFRA laws. That would put the legal rights associated with same sex marriages in a very tenuous position, depending on the state in which you live.

    • Halou

      Bigots are going to treat marriage equality the same way as they treat abortion.
      Sure, it is legal and you can technically get one, but due to petty regulations it is impossible for anyone in the state to provide the service. Whether it is by finding out how far away each place is from a school then passing a restriction meaning you can’t offer the service anywhere within that same distance of a school. Whether it is adding employment & education history requirements that mean nobody in the state is qualified to do the job even though they clearly are. Whether it is saying the corridors and parking spaces have to be a certain width. Whether it is a law that requires inaccurate church propaganda be given to anyone who walks in the door. Whether it is using state and federal tax revenues to subsidize competing service providers that actually don’t provide the service people are looking for.

      https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/17/1e/52/171e52c5faf93c0ce3134a69526310b6.jpg

    • KnownDonorDad

      What gives me hope is that there are so few cake martyrs, even with SSM legal in all 50 states. If there were some huge, widespread outrage by business owners and county clerks who didn’t want to deal with gay people that would be one thing, but look at the backlash to things like HB2, which (hopefully) seems to have knocked Pat McCrory out of the governorship in North Carolina. Vigilance is absolutely necessary, of course (let’s see if FADA gets anywhere, for example), but I feel there’s some grounds for optimism.

      • Reality.Bites

        They can pass what they like, but most small business owners are still going to be more interested in making a living than making a stand.

      • The Milkman

        I hope you’re right.

  • Paula

    COming soon to a port city near you:
    Abortion Cruises. Ship will take women out to international waters to have the procedure performed. Our attentive staff will care for you on your cruise of recuperation.
    Sign up today. Leaving every Friday morning from a pier near you!!

    • EweTaw

      That’s actually a really good idea. I 1972 I drove a friend to the SLC Intl. airport where she climbed aboard a quick flight to San Francisco to have her uterus vacuumed. Then she left the SF clinic to climb back on a return flight where I picked her up, took her home and fed her rocky road ice cream. She would have done much better on a seven day cruise in waters among the Bahamas and Virgin Islands.

      • Sounds like fun.

      • Jon Doh

        Virgin Islands?

        • EweTaw

          Sure. Why not? You’d prefer the Bloody Menstrual Flow islands?

          • Jon Doh

            Well there went lunch.

      • JCF

        That’s what they already run in Poland.

    • Bj Lincoln

      There was a cruise to Canada from Cleveland to get an ‘illegal’ flu shot when our supply was cut short. Out flu shots are created in another country but the average American can’t go or order from an other country. Big Pharma had a hand in this law so they can continue to rip off the American public. They sell it to other countries at reasonable prices because they won’t pay more for it but Americans don’t have a choice but paying big prices.

    • Yann

      It actually exist (in a less fun way) to help in countries where it is still illegal to have an abortion. http://www.womenonwaves.org/

  • Mike__in_Houston

    Poor Brown, Fischer, LaBarbera and the rest. Their loathing and, dare I say, self-hatred are so strong that they have been blinded to the fact that, on this issue at least, they are being left behind in the dust.

  • Guest

    He supported trans bathroom access one day on the campaign trail, and then the next day at a rally in NC he opposed it. He has so little policy core that none of his positions can be taken as safe bets.

  • ColdCountry

    “The Donald” isn’t my biggest concern, it’s his henchmen that terrify me. I don’t think Trump has too many convictions of his own, but his staff sure does.

    • Falconlights

      Yep. Of his accord, Trump would likely pretty much leave minorities alone. It is “the power behind the throne (or the Oval Office) who aren’t going to leave them alone. The whole right wing cabal behind Trump–Pence, Giuliani, Gingrich, etc.–are completely evil.

  • KQCA

    It’s only 5 days in and Trump has now double-crossed his supporters on 7 primary campaign promises he made to them. They should be livid. But being Trump supporters, they’ll never admit they were duped; that’s what got them …and the rest of us….into this mess.

  • Chris Lion

    I’m enjoying the fact that he ran on all these issues: ending same-sex marriage, locking Hillary up, deporting all the Mexicans… and now seems to be walking it back, much to the surprise and anger of The Deplorables. Watching them get their panties in a bunch makes my day a little brighter…

  • They seem surprised that Trump can’t be taken at his word. How did they miss that?

  • mikeinrkfd

    Brian et al, are feeling a little buyers remorse. Ha!

    • Robert Conner

      Looks like they’re just now finding out what it’s like to do business with The Donald.

  • TheJudgement

    I feel bad for America. Oh wait, I also live here. 😬

  • Robert Conner

    Maybe they should have paid closer attention. Trump hires contractors and then stiffs them. He marries women ’till death do us part’ and then gets a newer model. He does business with OPM–“other peoples’ money.” He hears things, claims he saw things happen that no one can verify. He admits to putting the moves on married women. Trump’s the reductio ad absurdum of American politics as well as business: GET TO “YES” and then do whatever’s convenient. Campaign promises are like insurance policies, reams and reams of fine print.

  • bob

    He’s already conquered the anti gay wackos with his lies. They’re nothing but damaged goods to him. Getting support from lgbt’s is something new, and would be a huge gain for his ego. I’m not falling for any of this nonsense !

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Something tells me if Obergefell we’re somehow reversed, Stonewall would be seen as a picnic compared to what would follow. Tread lightly bigots, you may have won the election, but you’re actually outnumbered.

    • KnownDonorDad

      I’m seeing an interesting trend among my conservative friends. They’re reposting Trump’s statement as proof he’s not anti-LGBT, and the real takeaway is that being anti-LGBT is losing popularity even among the right, especially the younger ones.

      • kevin vincent

        That’s what I been saying being against Obergfell gets him nothing racism seems to be back to the forefront and Homophobia kinda just faded in the background he is by no means an ally but he simply doesn’t care and what did they expect from the thrice married serial cheater?

  • KnownDonorDad

    In the first paragraph, Dreher actually draws a reasonable conclusion: trying to overturn Obergefell is a waste of time, something that Brian, Bryan, Peter et al. don’t get, or at least pretend not to for fundraising purposes. But then his argument is: let’s compromise, we’ll only be able to partially discriminate against you.

  • Michael

    1st off, no wonder Clinton lost. You don’t piss off half of your base and then think they’re just going to jump at the chance to vote for you.

    2ndly, gee, it appears Trump is still the liberal he was before he ran for office.

    The one person who looked to be in the most disbelief Trump was actually the president elect, during Trump and Obama’s 1st meeting, was Trump himself.

    Hopefully Trump is the liberal he’s always been.

    • TheSeer

      The only ideology Donald J. Trump knows is the ideology of Donald J. Trump

  • bob

    I just checked some FB pages like fox and breitbart , and there’s no mention of this! breitbart DID have posts that trump was only accepting $1 for serving as president , and THAT they believe ! We got some really stupid people.

    • Pip

      He said again in his interview that he wouldn’t accept payment for being president, other than the $1 that you’re required to take by law. I didn’t know that there was a law stating that, and am researching on if it’s true. That’s neither here nor there right now. What I want to know, is how it’s supposed to be proven that he’s not getting paid. It’s not like he’ll release his taxes showing the income or lack thereof anyway.

      • bob

        If his taxes ever get released , he’ll be gone !

  • Pip
  • customartist

    Trump said “I support North Carolina” with regards to
    HB2, which bans LGBT citizens from the very court system that we pay for.

    Christo-Facist Pence has taken over the transition team from Christie. Every Anti-LGBT Leader on the planet is hovering around Trump for a position on his Cabinet.

    Bottom line: We are unimportant to Trump’s “success”. He can disregard us and remain generally unaffected. However, he did not specifically say that he would attack us, and so he does not HAVE to. We must remain vocal and remind him of this, and we must reach out to our allies so that we are supported, when out rights become an issue.

  • dcurlee

    Boy their love affair with Trump didn’t last long. He played you dumbasses. I still don’t trust him but at the moment I find this priceless

    • Maggie 4NoH8

      Sister, you and me BOTH! teehee

  • These people are so bizarre. I have no idea what Constitution they’re citing – but it isn’t the one our founders signed. SMH

  • Richard

    Knowing
    the disaster of having even more extreme right wing ideologues on the supreme
    court, the Democrats should filibuster, or put a hold, every nomination sent up
    by trump. It takes 60 votes to end a
    filibuster and the Democrats should not budge an inch. It’s time for the Democrats to take a page
    out of the republican obstruction book and fight fire with fire. Forget the ‘Its time to come together BS,
    republicans only like that when it’s to their favor. What
    it is, is its time for Democrats in the congress to stand their ground and fight !

  • JCF

    While In-fighting IS Funny

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    CONSTANT VIGILANCE is _required_!

  • ElenorRigby
  • Yann

    Pretty sure it’s still on his agenda, having Mike Pence and Steve Bannon at the top of his team will assure that. He is just trying to appear more moderate to calm his more vocal opponent, but like all his more discriminatory rhetoric, he will change his position in 24h.

    Also, even if he don’t care about it since it does nothing for his family, he wont do a thing to stop Pence and the rest of the Republican to try and reverse Obergefell.

  • HeyYouKidsGetOffMyLawn

    Porno Pete, still obsessed as always.

    CLUTCH THOSE PEARLS MARY!