New York Times Endorses Hillary Clinton

From the editorial board of the New York Times:

Hillary Clinton would be the first woman nominated by a major party. She served as a senator from a major state (New York) and as secretary of state — not to mention her experience on the national stage as first lady with her brilliant and flawed husband, President Bill Clinton. The Times editorial board has endorsed her three times for federal office — twice for Senate and once in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary — and is doing so again with confidence and enthusiasm.

Mrs. Clinton’s main opponent, Senator Bernie Sanders, a self-described Democratic Socialist, has proved to be more formidable than most people, including Mrs. Clinton, anticipated. He has brought income inequality and the lingering pain of the middle class to center stage and pushed Mrs. Clinton a bit more to the left than she might have gone on economic issues. Mr. Sanders has also surfaced important foreign policy questions, including the need for greater restraint in the use of military force.

In the end, though, Mr. Sanders does not have the breadth of experience or policy ideas that Mrs. Clinton offers. His boldest proposals — to break up the banks and to start all over on health care reform with a Medicare-for-all system — have earned him support among alienated middle-class voters and young people. But his plans for achieving them aren’t realistic, while Mrs. Clinton has very good, and achievable, proposals in both areas.

On the Republican side the Times has endorsed….John Kasich.

  • LonelyLiberal

    That’s a very nice endorsement.

    The Des Moines Register poll is due out at 5:45 PM this evening, and also a Seltzer poll at some point. Those’ll be about the last before Monday’s caucus.

    • gaylib

      I think that’s the same poll. I’m guessing it will show HIllary with about a 5 point lead, up a little from the last one that showed her ahead by 2. That poll showed that Bernie’s support had remained steady, while her support had weakened a bit. I’m betting those doubters will come back home in the end though. I’m going to go ahead and predict Hillary +5 on Monday too.

      • LonelyLiberal

        Could be, I’m not sure–but the numbers should make that plain!

        My personal prediction is Hillary +2 on Monday, with a few more delegates than one might expect. The weather will keep college students from going home to caucus, which will concentrate Sanders’ support–and dilute the delegate count a bit.

        • gaylib

          Sounds like you understand the process a little better than me. But +2 is still a win!

          • LonelyLiberal

            It’s really easy. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/23/heres-how-the-iowa-caucuses-work/

            Win the precinct, win the delegates for it.

            It’s entirely possible to kill it in the center city areas, taking those delegates (and a percentage win in Iowa as a whole), but lose the delegate count by a fair amount because your support was too concentrated and your opponent dominated the suburban and rural areas. They have far fewer votes per precinct, but there are far more of them.

          • Lazycrockett

            Plus don’t forget that O’Malley’s 3 percent will go to Hillary when they are released.

          • LonelyLiberal

            Nate’s saying about 5.5%, and there may be some precincts in which O’Malley passes the threshold.

          • Lazycrockett

            Really? Nate thinks that in some places O’Malley is gonna hit 15%? Wow good for him.

          • LonelyLiberal

            Maybe. 🙂 In some very rural precincts, if 1 each show up for Sanders, O’Malley, and Clinton, that’s a third of the vote for every candidate.

            Will he get any delegates? We’ll see. Very few, if any.

          • Lazycrockett

            Yeah I keep forgetting that some places may only have 7 people in the room.

          • Joe knows who I am.

            What I’m hearing is, is that O’Malley’s folks are heading to Bernie.

          • Tigernan Quinn

            From a voice inside your head.

          • Joe knows who I am.

            Whatever you want to believe. We’ll see what happens at Caucus time.

          • Potus8

            You think? I saw a Register editor yesterday predicting O’Malley’s folks will break 60/40 for Bernie. If he wants to stay relevant in the Party, he should advise his folks to go HRC as 2nd choice. After Iowa, he won’t have a play left.

        • Can college students caucus in the towns where they go to college? When I went to college (in California), that’s where I was registered to vote.

          • LonelyLiberal

            To my knowledge, yes. The Sanders campaign has been urging them to go caucus in their hometowns (if inside Iowa), so it seems they can do either.

            That seems odd to me, but there it is.

          • Potus8

            But they do have to be Iowa residents, yes? Even as college students? If their official residence, license, etc are out of state, they cannot vote instate, can they?

          • LonelyLiberal

            I have absolutely no idea; I went to college in-state to home myself, so never had this problem!

    • Wayne

      A nice endorsement indeed to pick up this weekend.

    • danolgb

      Interesting read about the over-zealousness of the Bernie supporters and how the campaign has been apologizing for them. Seems they’re realizing their supporters are a problem.
      http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/the-bernie-bros?utm_term=.lqMlpg98DK#.doV20KZgWP

      • LonelyLiberal

        I think it’s too late for that. Entire online communities are wastelands of self-congratulating Bernie Bros at the moment.

        When you run an “outsider” campaign, don’t be too surprised if your followers, on average, tend to be both outsiders and purists. They’re kind of the hipsters of the political landscape.

        • Outsider? Who are you people?

          • lymis

            Hey. Bernie is running as an outsider, make no mistake. That’s rather independent of the question of whether he actually is one.

          • Sigh. Remember when gay people were progressive?

          • hiker_sf

            That is a myth. There were and are progressive gays, but apart from LGBT issues, most are self-centered, narcissistic and lack empathy for others. Hence Hillary.

          • Roy Biv

            Hillary voted 95% with Bernie.

            “lacking empathy” is solely under the purview of Trump and Cruz, not Hillary.

          • Joe knows who I am.

            I couldn’t have said it better. With today’s gays, Stonewall would’ve never, ever happened.

          • Kind of like how feminism wanes and then has a new wave. Today’s gays wouldn’t be who they are without Stonewall, and probably wouldn’t mount their own, but don’t need to either. And hopefully won’t. But it is a little paradoxy.

          • Jafafa Hots

            The one thing I’ve learned over the years is the only expectation you can have of people that they won’t fail to live up to is that everyone will fail to live up to your expectations.

          • RKitty01

            so are you just homophobic or self-loathing?

          • Tigernan Quinn

            Go find a mirror.

        • bkmn

          I’m not sure you can call someone who has been in the Senate as long as Bernie has an “outsider”. Non-establishment might be more apropos.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        I’ve been suspicious for a while now of some (not all, of course) of those who claim to be Bernie supporters online. I think some Republican trolls are impersonating Bernie supporters, trying desperately to create conflict among Democrats.

        • danolgb

          Some might, unfortunately I have seen plenty people I know in real life engaging in such behavior.

        • Joe knows who I am.

          That is one thing I’ve been saying for the past six months and yet it’s “Bernie supporters this, and Bernie supporters that”.

          I’m a Bernie supporter and I will continue to be a supporter throughout but, I am a voter and my vote counts too. I don’t trust Hillary, you’re welcome to. Some of the Hillary people have been just as ridiculous and yet, I know in my heart and head that they aren’t all, that radical. And many aren’t even Hillary supporters so, why paint them all with the same brush just to push your candidate?

          EDITED for punctuation and clarity.

          • Tigernan Quinn

            Thanks so much for your permission to have my own views. I stopped read at that moment.

      • DonMN763

        When Clinton is the nominee, I can seriously envision the BernieBros turning to Trump.

        • ChaCubed

          Who knows? Right? It’s a crazy election.

          What I’ve seen on-line is three types of Bernie supporters:
          – people who are vehemently anti-Hillary, and attack everyone who isn’t anti-Hillary with such bile and nastiness, it makes me HOPE they are rightwing trolls;
          – people who want Bernie to win, but will vote for Hillary, if she wins, to stop a Republican from getting back into the White House and nominating Supreme Court Justices; and
          – Bernie-or-no-one-ers who will go back to not voting, or voting for the Green Party candidate, or they’ll write-in Bernie.

    • GayOldLady

      RCP published 2 Iowa polls yesterday. The PPP poll had Hillary +8, The Gravis poll had Hillary +11.

    • ErikDC

      The Des Moines Register poll is the Seltzer poll.

  • MikeBx2

    I support Clinton and I hope once the nominating is complete I can get back some lost enthusiasm. This whole process is too long and exhausting.

  • Leo

    Even with the Clinton Foundation donation coverage they did, this was all but inevitable. Most of the Bernie-ites I know despise the Times anyways.

  • DaddyRay

    I am still firmly behind Hillary for the primary and of course will support whomever is selected. I like Bernie and agree he has been valuable in bringing the debate back more to the left.
    No matter which Democratic candidate wins the Primary I will be very happy with – our side has much more to offer than anyone in the GOP clown car.

  • another_steve

    Alienation — disenchantment — are not good reasons for picking a candidate.

    Donald Trump is capitalizing on the alienation and disenchantment of his followers.

    As is Bernie Sanders.

    • gaylib

      I don’t think as many Democrats are alienated as Bernie and his supporters imagine. Obama is overwhelmingly popular with Dems. This is not a change election for most of us.

      • another_steve

        Thank you.

        Barack Obama is a good man and a fine President. Imperfect, like every President has been. Like every human being is.

        If Hillary were to extend his legacy through her tenure as President, I’d be fine with that.

        • lymis

          And most of the “flaws” in the Obama administration were largely because of the complete intransigence of the Republicans in Congress. If Congress had been willing to actually to its job, work toward mutual goals, and fine tune things so that any flaws were ironed out, I think the Obama administration could well have been one of the best in US history.

        • bill weber

          He’s a war criminal, and a right-winger on corporate power.

      • Steven Leahy

        I agree with you that BO has done a nice job in the face of a LOT of adversity, and has been a great president. That doesn’t mean we should just accept status quo and not aspire to move forward and progress towards greater things.

        • Friday

          I don’t think keeping on with a strategy that’s moving us forward better than …About anything I can remember in my lifetime counts as ‘status quo’ just cause it’s not as ‘revolutionary’ as some might wish for.

        • skeptical_inquirer

          I also like Barack Obama who did a lot of stuff despite extreme obstructionism from the GOP. I just get tired of Democrats constantly being on the defensive and not being the ones to frame the issues. I need them to refuse to accept the GOP’s definitions of things and poop on the GOP’s constant theft of words like freedom, patriotism, and Constitution.

    • Steven Leahy

      With Trump, yes, he’s being an opportunist. With Sanders, no, I don’t agree it is “capitalizing” – he just has a different vision that many of us support, and he’s passionate and really BELIEVES in that vision. Trump HAS no vision, and neither do most of his followers. Not even comparable situations between Trump and Sanders supporters.

      • another_steve

        I see distressing similarities in the messages of both Trump and Sanders.

        “America is broken. The American economic system is broken. The professional politicians in bed with Wall Street are responsible. The entrenched “THEY” are responsible. The selfish, evil THEY.”

        Same message.

        Quite disturbing.

        • Friday

          Well, except blaming minorities and gay people for what Wall Street bankers and speculators and the Republican politicians that *actually did the deregulation to make it possible did, …is different from blaming the people that, err, actually did that stuff.

          One is scapegoating and hatemongering: The other’s… Actually looking at …what actually happens.

          • Bill_Perdue

            Deregulation came form Democrats and your Republican brothers and sisters. You’ve probably heard of Bill Clinton. He championed and gleefully (looking forward to all those speaking fees) signed the two Republican deregulation bills that caused the crash of 2007-08. You and your Republican brothers and sisters wrecked the economy. Democrats voted for both overwhelmingly, as did your Republican brothers and sisters.

            First was the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act or the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 which repealed the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933 that prevented the consolidation of commercial banks, investment banks, securities firms, and insurance companies. Then he fought for and signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 which permitted predatory lenders to issue financial products known as over-the-counter derivatives. Clinton championed and signed both which unleashed predatory lenders, caused the housing boom, which went bust which caused the current Clinton depression and caused mass layoffs and the financial crisis. (Some from Wiki).

            BS voted for the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000.

            https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/106-1999/h570

            https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/106-2000/h540

          • Friday

            ‘Blame both parties’ doesn’t get less transparent when you do it that way, either. Not today, Bill.

          • Bill_Perdue

            What I said was clear.

            Both parties are tools of the rich. Both were committed to deregulation. Pretending that only Republicans were involved is dishonest. Look at the votes.

          • Friday

            It’s the ones that happened *since* that matter, especially since things actually did bloody well crash from *even more* deregulation and even *less* enforcement of what there even was.

          • Bill_Perdue

            Those two bills created the current long Depression. Nothing else matters. Both were the work of Democrats and Republicans. Read the votes.

          • Bill_Perdue

            Nothing happened afterwards that was even remotely close to the destructiveness caused by you Democrats and your Republican brothers and sisters.

          • Friday

            Actually I’m a Green, to the extent there is such a thing in my state, and I can see you’re full of it. 🙂

          • Bill_Perdue

            You support Democrats and you lie, pretending that they aren’t as culpable as Repubolicans.

          • Friday

            The fact that you come here and troll as if ‘both parties are the same’ on an *LGBT rights* board shows who’s ‘pretending’ here. 🙂 Why don’t you go find something constructive to do?

          • Bill_Perdue

            Why don’t you answer with facts and data instead of lame personal attacks. It’s becasue that’s all you’ve got.
            Both parties are the same. You and your Republican brothers and sisters rejected ENDA.

          • Friday

            Yap, yap, yap.

          • Bill_Perdue

            Still dumbfounded I see. That’s to be expected.

          • Friday

            You seem confused about how many times you’ve said this BS and been refuted before.

          • Bill_Perdue

            I’ve never been refuted and just as in this thread, I’ve proven that people like you are liars when you pretend that Republicans are just as bad as Democrats.

            I see you have a short attention span so here it is again.

            Your lie “and the Republican politicians that *actually did the deregulation to make it possible did, …is different from blaming the people that, err, actually did that stuff.”

            The truth. “Deregulation came from Democrats and your Republican brothers and sisters. You’ve probably heard of Bill Clinton. He championed and gleefully (looking forward to all those speaking fees) signed the two Republican deregulation bills that caused the crash of 2007-08. You and your Republican brothers and sisters wrecked the economy. Democrats voted for both overwhelmingly, as did your Republican brothers and sisters.

            First was the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act or the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 which repealed the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933 that prevented the consolidation of commercial banks, investment banks, securities firms, and insurance companies. Then he fought for and signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 which permitted predatory lenders to issue financial products known as over-the-counter derivatives. Clinton championed and signed both which unleashed predatory lenders, caused the housing boom, which went bust which caused the current Clinton depression and caused mass layoffs and the financial crisis. (Some from Wiki).

            BS voted for the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000.

            https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/106-1999/h570

            https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/106-2000/h540

          • leastyebejudged

            Thanks for following the money, so few people can be bothered with the facts.

            The way we handle those futures contracts is a critical part of our economic structure. There’s no excuse for not being aware of the issue, and there’s no excuse for the public giving everyone involved a pass.

          • Bill_Perdue

            People are learning about the destructiveness of the Democrats and Republicans and learning very quickly. Compared to independents, they’re minority parties.

          • marshlc

            Friday, I’d upvote this 100 times if I could.

        • Steven Leahy

          Those messages are unfortunately TRUE.

          • another_steve

            No. I disagree. America isn’t “broken.” The American system works.

            There are terrible terrible problems in American society, for sure. Poverty. Crime. Hate. Good and honorable politicians do what they can to address those problems.

            Come November, Americans need to elect to office politicians who are committed to working on the problems, and to throw the hell out those who are not / have not been committed to that.

          • Steven Leahy

            I think it IS broken. We have horrible and increasing levels of economic and soil inequality, rampant gun violence, and a fragile and weak social safety net. We have a nation increasingly controlled by not only the sub-1% but religionists and right wing extremists. Average people in the US deal with issues that don’t exist on the same scale in most of the rest of the west. Unfortunately we’re brainwashed for both to THINK we have the best system, though reality and those pesky stats prove that to be untrue.

          • skeptical_inquirer

            I remember an article that points out that the entire GOP platform is completely incoherent. It’s anti-government but loves to fund cops and the military. It’s against regulation unless it’s forcing women to jump through a zillion hoops to get a medical procedure. Yet this is a national party that is a serious contender for the Presidency and has a majority in both legislative chambers. A country that hasn’t banished them to fringe status is broken.

          • Friday

            Of course there’s different levels of broken, too. Getting certain monkeywrenches, (and the monkeys that threw them) out of the works might show we’re not so ‘beyond repair’ as some people mean by ‘broken.’

          • Bill_Perdue

            The lies are wearing thin. The number of people who bother to vote is in freefall.

          • skeptical_inquirer

            No, America is broken or at least a good chunk of it is. We have a very strong anti-intellectual streak that manifests itself in people who pride themselves on being ignorant of science and facts. We have morons who keep screaming that mass murders are false flag events, that it’s OK for cops to beat/kill unarmed people of color for non-violent crimes, and high-level politicians hanging with religious freaks who openly want LGBT to be miserable/dead and for women to have no say-so in whether or not she reproduces or not.

            Not only that but we have a think tank industry funded by Kochs and their friends who have managed to convince Americans that global warming/climate change doesn’t exist or if it does, it’s A-OK.

            As much as I loathe the Trumpeteers, I know a lot of them are behaving this way because they too have been screwed by income inequality/insecurity even if they can’t seem to figure who’s REALLY screwing them over. (I’m not dismissing their very real racism and authoritarian streak, I’m just saying economic concerns makes their behavior worse.)

          • another_steve

            What we have, I think, is:

            (1) The sad remnants of our slavery heritage. People forget that slavery ended not so long ago here in the states.

            Much of Donald Trump’s “popularity,” for example, derives from white resentment. The presence of a black man in the White House has merely drawn much of the lingering resentment to the surface.

            (2) The toxic dominance of institutional religion (not the spiritual impulse — which most of the world’s inhabitants experience in one way or the other — but institutional religion) in American society.

            Everything from global warming denial to misogyny to homophobic legislators. Institutional religion is responsible for 75 percent of the injustice and inequality in American society.

            In my opinion.

          • Steven Leahy

            don’t forget the vast amount of economic inequality, which arguably drives many of our social issues, and the 1% controlling everything and buying elections.

          • Todd20036

            Except the 1% represent only 1% of the votes. You too many others bamboozled into thinking the 1% needs the extra tax credits because someday, THEY could become the 1%.

            Another problem is that a lot of poorer people don’t genuinely believe they are poor.

            “Oh those social programs are for moochers. And I am no moocher!” he said as he cashed his SNAP coupons.

            So they would vote against programs that would actually help themselves.

          • Steven Leahy

            Disagree. I believe poor people do believe they’re poor, and that number is growing with each passing year. The 1% may only have 1% of the votes, but they have a hugely disproportionate share of influence in all things in our society, including elections, due to their ability to buy politicians and political outcomes. The playing field is nowhere close to equal, and to suggest it is is extremely naive.

          • skeptical_inquirer

            I have to agree with Todd in that I think he’s talking about the crab in the bucket syndrome where people would rather drag others down than see them be better off. It’s sick and self-defeating but people seem happy to suffer as long as they think some other group they hate is suffering MORE.

          • Todd20036

            That was where I am getting at.

            It’s the only reason I can think of that anyone in the economic bottom 50% would even consider voting republican for representatives and mayors and school boards… and presidents.

          • skeptical_inquirer

            Agreed. It’s like how so many protesters outside an abortion clinic have the gall to go into the clinic they protested and demand one. Because they still think that they can do the very same thing other people do and still think that their abortion is the only holy abortion THEN go back to protesting the clinic that can’t freaking out her to her bitchy church friends.

          • danolgb

            It’s the pessimism of the Bernie and the Trump supporters. They both believe the country is absolutely terrible and they think enough people believe it that they can get their respective revolutions. The issue with their thinking it both sides have polar opposite beliefs in what the problem is and therefore they’d have to fight for those of us in the middle who aren’t so pessimistic and both sides are doing much better alienating us than wooing us. I must admit, a Bernie-Trump debate would be entertaining, but I hope we don’t get that far.

          • FreeCandyVanDriver

            But this country /is/ broken.

            We pay more than 2x as much *per capita* than the next country (Canada) for healthcare and we’re somewhere between 35’th and 40’th (depending who you ask) in results.

            There is a coming crisis with student debt, and the only people who don’t see this as a problem have their heads buried in the sand, or they have a vested interest in having students in debt at usurious interest rates (especially since they’re government backed loans).

            We have spent trillions on military adventurism. Imagine what even a fraction of that being spent on infrastructure would do for the GDP, you know, *us*.

            To pretend that pointing out things that need fixing is “pessimism” is completely misunderstanding reality, at best.

          • Circ09

            The problem is that Democrats only ever focus on Presidential elections. Change can’t happen until National Democrats get a plan for taking back seats in local and State elections. And convince the populace of Democratic voters that off-year elections are just as important.

          • another_steve

            Yes. And the Democratic Party needs to come up with a new southern strategy — to regain control of those states it lost as a result of the civil rights progress of the 1960s.

            I’m not sure how you communicate, in a winning way, with the white supremacists in that part of the country, but the Dems gotta find a way.

          • FreeCandyVanDriver

            >I’m not sure how you communicate, in a winning way, with the white supremacists in that part of the country, but the Dems gotta find a way.

            You don’t do it by embracing their racism, or coddling their beliefs in any way. You don’t compromise what is right with what is wrong. You don’t meet evil “half-way”. That’s how we got so far fucking right of center that common-sense Eisenhower Democratic Socialism looks like craziness – the ratchet effect.

            I’m a Dem most of the time, and if the racists can’t get with the program, we don’t fuckin’ need ’em.

          • another_steve

            Well, I don’t like racists anymore than you do, but we’ve got to get them to stop electing Republicans as their governors.

            Lots of terrible things — minority voter suppression, anti-LGBT state legislation, etc. — come about in part as a result of there being Republican governors.

          • FreeCandyVanDriver

            There is nothing you can do, except wait for them to fucking die already. You can’t “fix” a racist’s brain. Really, you can’t. They have abandoned reason for thinking with their lizard-brain, effectively giving themselves lobotomies. Actual lobotomies would not make a hill-of-beans’ difference.

            It’s why I will never move to a red state. Ever. Rhode Island (I have moved further north) was racist enough for me, TYVM, and I heard all of it for 40-some-odd-years and they ain’t goin’ away until they’re 6-feet under. Using facts to attempt to change the mind of a racist is like arguing with a flat-earther or young-earth-creationist, which I’ve done. You push them as far as they can go, and they snap back to their same bullshit position.

            Thomas Paine had it correctly when he said it’s like administering medicine to the dead.

            The generation of racist old coots with nothing better to do than yammer on talk-radio call-in shows need to die first before anything good happens.

          • another_steve

            Lol. We both appreciate the glory and power of the Life Expectancy Tables.

            Join me in this brief song of praise, FreeCandy:

            All glory and power is thine, O beneficent Life Expectancy Tables.

          • skeptical_inquirer

            Democrats need to cultivate politicians like baseball cultivate players. Baseball has minor leagues and if there is a player good enough they push him to the major leagues. The Democratic party needs to do more farming of that kind, push people they like into the arena, cultivate & train them and have them go after even extremely hard seats in gerrymandered districts because at the very least people need to know they can check A box even if it’s nigh impossible said candidate can win. It’s frustrating not to even have a box.

        • Except that Sanders wants to help the disenfranchised and Trump doesn’t give a shit. They’re opposites.

      • Friday

        Even so, Sanders still has a key problem in that he’s doing quite well especially for a “far Left” outsider… bur there may be only so much support that’s there for him to *get,* especially for the general election: the Right is using him as a pretext to try attacking Hillary from the *left,* ….but if he did get nominated, you know they haven’t yet strung together the words ‘Jewish Socialist’ yet, and you’d be naive to think the Republicans aren’t past the point of even pretending to be above the bashing of non-Christians.

        • Steven Leahy

          Well, many evangelicals are in love with Israel and the notion of anything Jewish. I don’t think his Jewishness will hurt him there. I DO think the socialist label, and the brainwashing done to so many ignorant, especially white conservative voters, will hurt him.

          • Friday

            Actually the Evangelical ‘love for Israel’ doesn’t actually extend to love for anything Jewish, they just want the state of Israel to start a wr so they can bring about the end of the world so their Jesus will kill all the Jews that don’t convert by then. Besides, all they have to do is say ‘Jewish Atheist’ or just ‘Atheist’ for the same effect. Maybe even more.

          • Steven Leahy

            I am around evangelicals all the time in my travels, and I never hear the slightest amount of anti-Semitism among them. I DO hear a lot of hatred of muslims. Sorry, I just think we’re way past Archie Bunker-style anti-Semitism in this country.

          • Friday

            Being in the South presently, let’s say I’m not so sure about a lot of states.

          • lymis

            Just like Romney temporarily caused die-hard anti-Mormons to suddenly decide Mormons are Christians after all, or at least Christian enough, a Sanders nomination would be more than enough for the same people to suddenly decide that Jewishness and Israel don’t go together.

            After all, they don’t support Israel because it’s Jewish. They support Israel because they see it as the Christian Holy Land.

          • marshlc

            Oh, they’re in love with the “notion” of anything Jewish, but actual American Jews? Not so much, I think.

    • Yeah we just need to keep things status quo because that’s worked out so fucking well.

      • gaylib

        actually, i think Barack Obama has been doing a pretty damn fine job as president, thank you very much.

        • He did OK but Hillary is more conservative.

      • Friday

        Kind of important to point out that Hillary does *not* represent ‘status quo,’ ….that’s quite disingenuous, actually. If we’re talking about real change, whoever wins, we need the legislature and down-ballot offices, not sulking Bernie supporters saying ‘Nothing will change now,’ ….cause then it will. For the suddenly-nightmarishly worse, actually.

        Despite intransigent obstruction and a lot of BS, Obama’s gotten tons of real progress made with his agenda, …even if Hillary just consolidates that legacy for a term, especially with enough support in the legislature, that’s still making major progress.

        As they say in chess, “See the whole board.”

    • bill weber

      If they can address the root causes of your A&D, they are.

  • Texndoc

    They endorsed Kasich on the other side. I’m not one who wants Trump to go the distance just to be beaten, I want him out early as possible, with his TV show gone, his brand name ruined. All the more humiliation for the bigot. And the earlier he’s rejected the more it’s going to blow up in his face.

    • Gustav2

      The NYT and WaPo love them some Kasich because they remember how he was as a congressman, not as the Christianist he became after his parents death. Too bad he can’t win our state, Ohio, if there is a good Democratic GOTV.

      • Friday

        Frankly, he’s just as bad on policy and position, and being less of an insult to intelligence and national dignity while talking about it would at other times in history actually make him the most dangerous. But it seems ‘Off the deep end’ is a requirement for the GOP nomination now.

        • Gustav2

          A more polite piece of shit

    • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

      An NYT endorsement of Kasich is the last nail in his political coffin.

      • Gustav2

        It really is too bad, I would have loved seeing him defeated in Ohio.

  • Larry

    Hillary will pick Huma for VP. How much you wanna bet?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60m9PhVPMYM

    • DaddyRay

      Huma will most likely continue to be Hillary’s Chief of Staff which requires a really powerful alley. I don’t think Huma would be interested in the VP position.

      • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

        To be chief of staff in the White House, Huma would also have to divorce “Carlos Danger.”

        • DaddyRay

          LOL

        • Circ09

          Why? She seems to have survived so far with him tethered to her boot.

    • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

      She can’t. Huma is from NY also. Both POTUS and VP cannot be from the same state. Remember how quickly Cheney picked up sticks and moved to Wyoming when he decided he was the best pick for VP? I think Julian Castro will get the nod.

      • LonelyLiberal

        Julian Castro is also my current bet. There are one or two others on the short list, but Castro definitely shores up some of Clinton’s weaknesses, and brings Texas into play and requires that the Republicans spend some resources defending it.

        • Jonty Coppersmith

          Texas is not going to be in play.

    • teeveedub

      I never realized one could pack so much stupidity into such a short video.

      • DaddyRay

        It is also pretty sexist droning on and on about how any red blooded male would be happy around Huma.

    • TuuxKabin

      Who, what sexist, is doing the narrative?

    • Larry

      Guys, place your bets.

      • LonelyLiberal

        Gentlemen’s bet on Castro.

      • DaddyRay

        Ask yourself if you would have ever made such comments about a male Presidential candidate

        • Larry

          Focus is on Hillary, Daddy. Place your bet Daddy.

          • DaddyRay

            My bet is on Hillary picking a VP that will pick up votes in the south. Julian Castro is my bet. He is a strong progressive from Texas and would also be an asset for the Hispanic vote.

            All you got is Huma is hot and Hillary really likes her because she lights up around her.

          • Steven Leahy

            I never even heard of Huma. Agree, HRC needs to be much more strategic in her choice. Some disagree but I also like Corey Booker as a VP choice for either Dem candidate. Don’t know much about Castro but I do think bringing a Hispanic candidate into the fold would be smart.

          • DaddyRay

            I really like Corey Booker but I don’t think he brings much with the south. Possibly Booker would get a cabinet post.

          • Steven Leahy

            I don’t think Castro would help in the south at all other than maybe Texas, but then, swinging Texas would make all the difference in the election. Without Texas, the republicans don’t have a chance. It’s like dems not winning California. TX and CA are the make or break big nuts.

          • Circ09

            Castro won’t help in Texas. The cities (he was mayor of San Antonio) already vote Democrat. It is the other areas that decide Texas and Castro has no pull in those areas. Besides, most in those areas will not vote for a Clinton -period – or a self-styled Democratic Socialist. So Texas is a complete non-starter this election cycle no matter what.

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            True, but if the nominee is Cruz it would be delicious to see him have to run around the cities in Texas to make sure his state is carried as Castro visits the cities and shines his gorgeous pearly whites, with those dark and stormy eyes, and waves of gleaming hair….
            what were we talking about again?

          • Homo Erectus

            Yes, but – 50% of the eligible Texan voters are women, and a lot of them are not happy with the republican treatment of women’s rights issues. I suspect they will turn out the vote for Hillary without regard for her VP pick.

          • Circ09

            Nope. Those women didn’t turn out for the last elections here in Texas when women’s rights issues were front and center. We now have a trifecta of awful with Abbott, Paxton & Patrick. They are not going to turn out for a Clinton either. Keep dreaming things will improve by about 2025 if young people finally decide to start voting.

          • Homo Erectus

            (Sigh) “In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve” – Alexis Charles Henri Clerel de Tocqueville

          • Homo Erectus

            The 3rd largest state after CA and TX is Florida The Latino population here is Youge and very well informed.

          • Circ09

            Don’t know Huma? You never heard about the poor put-upon wife of the “tally-whacker poser”(my Dad’s name for disgraced former Rep. Anthony Weiner)?

          • Oscarlating Wildely

            Agreed. Castro. They’ll try to paint his as young and naïve. And then he’ll smile.

    • FloBear

      Wow, Larry, very persuasive. You must have quite the deep, analytical mind. Truly a deep, deep thinker. Now go finish your homework.

      • Larry

        FloBear….Analytical and pragmatic? I’m lazy. You do the homework.

    • another_steve

      No way will Huma be it.

      In the general election, the Republicans will vigorously try to peddle their “Hillary is a lesbian” meme. No way is Hillary going to have a female running mate.

      As are others here, I’m betting on Julian Castro.

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        Well, I’m betting I’d like to be *on* Julian Castro, does that count?

        • another_steve

          Well, hon, it certainly wouldn’t hurt — having a cutie in that position.

          (“Hurt.” “In that position.” Heh.)

    • Homo Erectus

      Is this from “the third horse of the apocalypse”?

  • gaylib

    I’m guessing they didn’t ask MoDo her opinion.

    • GayOldLady

      Poor MoDo…..Her Hillary hatred is so overwhelming she hasn’t an objective bone in her body. She’ll probably have a stroke should Hillary become POTUS.

    • BlueberriesForMe

      I’m sure she’ll be giving it multiple times in the months to come.

  • Andy King

    I prefer Bernie, but I’ve always said (and will continue to say) that voting for and supporting the eventual Democratic nominee is the most important thing. The presidency, congress, and supreme court are too important to our nation to allow conservatives to hold control over them. If/when Hillary is the eventual nominee, it will not be a hard vote to cast.

    • Steven Leahy

      It’ll feel a mite bit painful but not enough to not do it 🙂

    • wc1e

      Luckily I live in CA so I don’t have to.

      • lymis

        You mean like all the people who knew that they didn’t need to get out and vote against Prop 8?

        • wc1e

          Oh don’t worry, Ill be voting. Just not for her.

  • Hip Byroads

    Of course they do. Warmongers tend to endorse other warmongers. Like attracts like.

  • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

    Huma would also have to divorce “Carlos Danger” beforehand

  • Steven Leahy

    Sadly, even with his faults, Kasich is the only sane one among the republican candidates and the only republican who could be remotely tolerable as president. I don’t get why his support is always so low.

    • DaddyRay

      Because the current Republican Party are filled with whack jobs

    • BearEyes

      sane is only relative this year. He has his own water system lead problem he keeps ignoring and he’s a rabid xtianist when you strip the veneer. I don’t consider that tolerable. Just a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

    • lymis

      “I don’t get why his support is always so low.”

      Because he is the only sane one among the Republican candidates, in a cycle where the Republicans have made if clear that “sane” is not what they’re looking for?

    • Todd20036

      Think Huntsman. Tea baggers don’t like pragmatism

  • Sam_Handwich

    just passing this along for a laugh….

    https://twitter.com/AP/status/693486827026644994

    • LonelyLiberal

      BWAHAHAHAHAHA

      (gasp for air)

      HAHAHAHAHAHA

    • DaddyRay

      Glutton for punishment – that family really is into torture

      • BearEyes

        I see what you did there.

    • Sam_Handwich

      there’s already 4 other declared GOP candidates …. no declared Dems yet

      https://ballotpedia.org/Wyoming%27s_At-Large_Congressional_District

      i don’t see her getting any traction after what she tried to do to Enzi

    • skeptical_inquirer

      Is she’s just picking random states to run in now?

      • Sam_Handwich

        no, that’s where the family is from. her father held that House seat

    • BobSF_94117

      I wish the GOP establishment in that state would send these carpetbaggers back East.

    • BlueberriesForMe

      Must be a smaller “leap” than the Senate. I hope Wyoming disses her again.

  • Mark Glenn

    Shocked

  • SoCalVet

    I can’t even imagine how wonderful it would be to elect a female President. Also, how much the conservative mens’ clubs’ heads would explode. It’s my major dream right now…I just hope it can become a reality.

    • Steven Leahy

      Even though I like Sanders better, I agree with you, we’re past due for a female president. A little less testosterone in the decision making might not be a bad thing. Barack was one of few male exceptions to this.

      • skeptical_inquirer

        I think you mean estrogen.

        • Steven Leahy

          I meant to add “less”, I will fix it. 🙂

      • bill weber

        How about a GOOD female president?

        Apparently testosterone is not required to bomb, bomb, bomb. Just watch HRC if she makes it.

    • GayOldLady

      Women make up over half of the population and we’re underrepresented in Government and in Business Management. It’s really shameful when you have a 535 member congress and only 104 women, 76 Democrats and 28 Republicans, are members of that body. It wasn’t even a century ago that we couldn’t vote, and in many places couldn’t own real property. It’s long past time for a woman to be elected POTUS and Hillary is the best prepared PERSON/Candidate for the job.

      • Steven Leahy

        TOTALLY agree with everything you’ve said (other than Hillary being the best candidate, LOL). And the marginalization of women in any non-western societies is even worse, and often conveniently gets swept under the rug and ignored.

      • BobSF_94117

        I just wish we could skip the first woman president and her inevitable need to prove how tough she is…

        • GayOldLady

          Is Hillary trying to prove she’s tough?

          • Friday

            Well, I thinks she’s got nothing to ‘prove’ there, but she sure was *showing* it at the last town hall meeting. That’s OK, though, that’s what she needs to be doing now. 🙂

          • GayOldLady

            When Hillary endured 11 hours of ridiculous grilling from the Republicans at the Benghazi hearing, there was no way anyone could deny that she is tough, and she doesn’t have to do anything to “prove” it. She’s a fighter and being “tough” isn’t something that she just pulls out and dances around during a campaign. When people use that trying to be “tough” language I’m always suspicious that they’re presenting “tough” as a non-feminine characteristic, when in fact some of the toughest people I’ve known in my life have been women. Being “tough” is a gender neutral characteristic and any attempt to neuter Hillary or to imply that she’s masculine by calling her “tough” or a “feminazi” or any of the other things that some say about her, won’t slip under my radar.

          • SoCalVet

            she doesn’t need to.

          • GayOldLady

            Ditto that!!!!

          • Homo Erectus

            Tough without the testosterone. A saner leader than any of the republican yayhoos.

          • GayOldLady

            My sentiments, exactly!!

          • BobSF_94117

            I hope she will not succumb to the urge/need to “prove” anything. But you know there’ll be pressure to do so in any military crisis.

        • Friday

          Think she’s already proved *that* long ago.

      • Friday

        That’s what that is. I actually backed Obama over her when they were in the primaries, well, cause policies and other factors that made him the guy for then. Now really *she’s* the one for the tasks facing us, if you asked me. Not that I got anything but love for Bernie there.

      • Ish

        I’m sure the people of Libya and Iraq are really happy that a human with a vagina is responsible for the deaths of thousands and thousands of their countrymates.

        • GayOldLady

          You’re so indoctrinated to hate Hillary that you will blame her for every thing that’s gone wrong on the planet since the day she was born. Yes, she is a feminist, and has spent her entire life working for the causes of women and girls. I know you’re frightened by a woman POTUS, but you need to get over it.

          • Ish

            It’s not my fault if you are in massive denial about her actual record. She treated gay and lesbian Americans like shit for decades, and then moved on to be among those responsible for the bombing of untold Libyan and Iraqi women (and men and children). These are not issues of indoctrination, these are actual, documentable facts. Her feminism is a lie. True feminists do not write off the women of Africa and the Middle East. Margaret Thatcher’s murderous rule was not an advancement for women, and neither will be Hillary Clinton’s.

            Your presumption I am somehow frightened by a female POTUS is hilariously ludicrous. Though I am frightened by any corrupt politician with his or her hand on the buttons of doomsday. As you should be.

          • GayOldLady

            I’m not going to bother to give you a list of the things she has accomplished as SOS or as a Senator for the causes of women and girls, you know what she’s done and if you don’t it’s because you don’t care to know. But your anti-Hillary propaganda BS is old, so hookup with Perdue and you two can vote for “None of the Above” or the Communist Party or whoever it is that you think can live up to your notion of how this country should be run. In the meantime I’m voting for Hillary and if Bernie should win the nomination I’ll vote for him. So dredge on troll

          • Ish

            So in other words, Libyan and Iraqi women are not even important enough for you to acknowledge. Expendable, I guess. With other actual facts.

          • GayOldLady

            I’m assuming you’re blaming every member of the U.S. Congress and the U.S. government for the deaths of Libyan and Iraqi women, right? The “Authorization for the use of Military force” was just that an authorization. Only POTUS can start a military action, and he can start it with or without the Congress. See: Vietnam. And Libya’s losses of life are because of a Civil war. Arming a faction of Rebels is what Government do when their interests in the region are at stake. Still Hillary isn’t POTUS, only POTUS can give the order to Arm another group.No matter what she did or didn’t do you would blame her because that’s what you do!!! Why aren’t you here talking up your own Communist Candidate instead of trying to undermine Democrats? Dredge on TROLL!!!

          • GayOldLady

            You really need to stop what basically boils down to hating the United States. This isn’t a perfect country by any stretch, but it’s been the country that’s saved other countries from despots on numerous occasions. I’m sure there are countries that are much more aligned with your political views and I wonder why you waste your energy on America when obviously most Americans do not agree with you. You can’t make the USA into what you want it to be by coming to a Gay blog and arguing with an Old Woman, is that why you’re so BITTER?

          • Ish

            Omg you are hilarious

          • GayOldLady

            You and a couple of other “none of the above” commenters never have anything positive to say about anything. You come to this blog to gripe, complain, ridicule and condemn. Whatever or whoever you support in this campaign you should spend your time working for them instead of wasting your time whining about the candidates you don’t like. There’s nothing constructive in your obsession with hating, you need to move on.

          • Bill_Perdue

            You on the other hand have plenty of positive things to say about border racism (you voted for Obama so you must like it) mounting poverty (if you like the Clintons you hate working people) and wars of aggression like those caused by the Clintons, the Bushes and Obama.

            That’s indecent.

            Look at the graph below. Scores of millions are moving on, deserting you and your Republican sisters and brothers. That’s a good thing.

          • Ish

            Donald trump says he could shoot someone in the face and still get votes and people like you cluck cluck, yet Mrs. Clinton can literally be responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians and people like you cheer her on. Tell me who is more cynical and unconstructive? You might choose to hear and see no evil but that never ends well.

          • GayOldLady

            I’m not going to address your absurd accusations against Hillary. You and your pal Perdue need to concentrate on getting your Communist Workers Party candidate elected because everyone knows that’s who the American people really want to vote for. From this point forward I will not address you or respond to your taunts.

          • bill weber

            It’s a country that’s trashed the rest of the world’s nations, and slaughtered a sizable chunk of their populations, for 70 years.

            “Love the country, hate the state”

          • GayOldLady

            Hmmmm!!! This country has interfered far to much in the affairs of other countries, especially the Middle East, but you think this “State” has done nothing for the rest of the world? I notice that you don’t go back to WWI or WWII, you just conveniently move past that period and overlook the fact that this “State” helped to rebuild Europe after WWII. You forget that this “State” is the primary reason for the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the USSR neither of which would have happened without the economic and military pressures applied consistently by this “State” after WWII. You also overlook this “State” long standing assistance to many 3rd world countries, providing financial and human assistance in the fight against famine, disease, civil war and natural disasters, because none of that fits your narrative. You have nothing but criticism, but you enjoy the freedom to criticize without fear of reproach because you live in this “State”. You’re no different than Perdue or ISH, and the 3 of you could well be the Trinity (3 in 1) because you often, not so coincidentally, show up in defense of each other. I’m an old woman and you’re a waste of my time so like your other 2 personas I will no longer engage in conversation with you. Dredge on troll.

          • Ish

            What facts that I am presenting are bs?

          • Bill_Perdue

            She’s started out as a Goldwater Girl and ended up a right centrist and a Dixiecrat. No feminism there. You can’t be for feminism and oppose a decent minimum wage for working women.

            “I was a [Barry] Goldwater Girl” as a teenager,” she recalled. “But…after leaving Main South [High School], I went to Wellesley [College], still a Republican, but [with] a different kind of attitude….and then gradually over time in college and [Yale] law school I evolved my own political beliefs, which frankly are in some ways neither easily defined, they’re not dogmatically Republican, dogmatically Democrat, [not] easily defined as liberal or conservative…” http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/01/29/quotations-from-madame-hillary/

            “U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said on Tuesday at two campaign stops in Iowa that she would like to raise the federal minimum wage to $12 an hour from the current $7.25.

            Clinton has said repeatedly she wants to raise wages for working Americans, including by raising the minimum hourly wage, but she has rarely named a specific figure.”http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-raise-federal-minimum-wage-to-12-per-hour_us_56394247e4b0411d306eca12

    • Sportin’ Life

      Choosing based on which gender is allegedly more upsetting to conservatives. You’re quite a deep thinker, citizen! Way to go!

    • hiker_sf

      Yes and no. Remember Margaret Thatcher.

      • Oscarlating Wildely

        Remember Margaret Thatcher.
        Oh no, please, let’s not. Fortunately, throwing the water on her finally did its job. As the saying goes, mention only good about the dead. Good, she’s dead.

      • Homo Erectus

        Yup, and Indira Gandhi and Golda Meir.
        “We do not rejoice in victories. We rejoice when a new kind of cotton is grown and when strawberries bloom in Israel.”

  • for people like me, this is sort of funny. who looks worse? i’m sorry, but if we’re talking about people who endorse each other b/c that’s supposed to matter, yeah. whatever.

    the old grey whore sold her soul a while ago. some of us remember the boosh administration, and the times’ role in all that. i’m sure HRC is happy to have a “heavy hitter” on her side, but for me? it’s like saying she got the LCR endorsement. liars and the people who pay them to lie so they can make money don’t impress me.

    sometimes i think candidates should ask “please don’t engage in endorsements.” it’d be nice if a candidate said out lout that voters should just make up their own minds.

    • DaddyRay

      Nobody ever remembers endorsements.
      The only one I remember was Colin Powell endorsing Obama but that was only because it pissed off the GOP so much – it didn’t have any impact on who I was voting for.

      That being said it was enjoyable to cancel my Chicago Tribune subscription (which I was going to do anyways) and blame it on their endorsement of Bruce Rauner.

      • Capritaur

        I don’t think endorsements sway votes, but they are important nonetheless. For one, endorsements energize the base and affirm their values, but more importantly, they legitimize campaigns. The Sanders campaign would have been in big trouble if it did not receive some big endorsements. In this regard, it’s very similar to power struggles in the courts of old, where the word of mouth of who has whose back matters just as much as any overt material support. It’s funny how politicking hasn’t really changed that much, even in democratic societies.

    • gaylib

      I know you are probably sincere, but it just sounds like sour grapes.

      • i know you’re the resident HRC cheerleader around here, so only one: no, you missed my point. i don’t respect the times. to me, an endorsement from the times is like the endorsement from Mordor. she’s proud of it. she claims not to know why people like me would be horrified to read, “the New York Times endorses CD for president.” omg i would have to spend so much time explaining to my honest, decent friends why i did nothing to deserve that, and why i never asked for it, and why it was a lie.

        but that’s not what she feels. she feels good, i assume, that a major paper which is one of the major players in a bunch of really evil stuff says she should be president. ach, that’s just a little scary. but she’s your candidate, and i respect your right to defend her.

        • gaylib

          you don’t know who the fuck I am.

          • leastyebejudged

            LOL

  • Sam_Handwich

    FYI

    Ann Selzer will be discussing the final Des Moines Register poll, which will be released later today….

    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/01/27/final-iowa-poll-before-caucuses-released-saturday/79411100/

  • Hillary’s pockets run deep.

    • leastyebejudged

      With evil organizations money.

  • From Robert Riech:

    As Bernie surges, the Democratic establishment is having conniptions. The editorial boards and columnists of the Washington Post and New York Times are increasing their attacks on Bernie while endorsing Hillary. Democratic members of Congress, governors, and mayors are endorsing Hillary. Executives of major corporations and Wall Street are increasing their donations to Hillary’s super PACs (and letting Democratic politicians and the top editors of major media they mustn’t allow Bernie to become the nominee).

    Yet all this appears to be backfiring, for one simple reason: Formal endorsements and other displays of establishment support for Hillary and attacks on Bernie are proving Bernie’s point that he threatens the moneyed interests that have gained increasing influence over much of Congress and the mainstream media. And that the only way to reverse the vicious cycle of wealth and power that’s undermining American democracy and distributing most economic gains to the top is through a movement to wrest control back from the moneyed interests.

    • gaylib

      Bernie isn’t surging anywhere except your pants.

      • People keep saying that. I think you are trying to convince yourselves.

      • justmeeeee

        skeered, ain’t ya?

      • DaddyRay

        Please play nice – leave the in-fighting for the GOP Clown Car

        • Todd20036

          I thought they were writing porn….

      • LonelyLiberal

        http://cookpolitical.com/story/9179

        He does face significant challenges with delegates. A not-stunning victory in Iowa comes with some problems…Iowa’s very white, and the Dems are reasonably liberal.

        Where’d I put that article…oh, here it is.

        http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-happens-if-bernie-sanders-wins-iowa/

        Only VT and NH are more compatible territory for Sanders, with Massachusetts, Oregon, Utah, and Connecticut being reasonably comparable.

  • Octavio

    Oh my heck! Doesn’t the NYTimes know what a corrupt, deceitful, money hoarding criminal Hillary is and that she’ll be indicted the minute she tries to step foot in the White House? What about her criminal record? What about Benghazi? What about all of the people she and Bill had murdered and disappeared? What about how she’s just a shill for Wall Street and big banks? WHAT ABOUT MONICA! MONICA! MONICA! MONICA! MONICA! MONICA! MONICA! MONICA! MONICA!
    LOL! 🙂

    • lymis

      You mean Monica Benghazi, right? The one with all the questionable emails?

      • jsolar13

        Is it wrong that I kind of want there to be a drag queen named Monica Benghazi now?

        • Todd20036

          Yes, but given what I’ve done/said, I’m in no way to judge!

    • Homo Erectus

      You forgot Whitewatergate.

  • Tim&EarlSince1976

    No NYT credit for her humane voice proclaiming equality for us millions not born heterosexual?

  • Can we just skip to November and vote for her, please?

    • DaddyRay

      Personally I want to enjoy every last moment we have with President Obama.

      • Well, yeah, there’s that.

        • DaddyRay

          I remember all too well how I couldn’t wait for W to leave office

          • We used to watch tv while eating dinner, but gave up the practice because Bush gave us indigestion. That, plus having to occasionally clean food off the screen.

      • danolgb

        I can’t wait to see what parting shot Obama has after the election. I hope there’s a pardon for Tim DeChristopher and Chelsea Manning. I would have added Snowden to my list, but he’s a coward in my mind fleeing to Russia.

    • FreeCandyVanDriver

      Can’t we just make the people who want to shove HRC down our throats and crown her Queen *shut up*?

  • justmeeeee

    And furthermore, ya buncha fuckin’ morons, it’s her fuckin’ turn!!!! Don’t you get it????? Do you think she stayed married to that lying, cheating, liar-cheater for all those years for nothin’????? It’s her fucking turn!!!!!

  • skeptical_inquirer

    This is for Hillary supporters. Does Bernie Sanders have a point about Wall Street & campaign finance reform or not? If Hillary gets the nom, will you push her NOT to drift rightwards on these issues? These are not small issues. I saw houses on sale crash to half their value then go unsold for a long time because of the bubble described in The Big Short. While I remain employed with a roof over my head during that time, it still irks the hell out of me that heads didn’t roll.

    Even this endorsement notes that Bernie’s participation in this process has pushed her leftward.

    • LonelyLiberal

      Yes, he has an excellent point about WS & campaign finance reform and we really do need to take care of both.

    • Steven Leahy

      I’ve watched a lot of documentaries on this. After the S&L crisis, over 1,000 people were arrested for their roles in that. Virtually NO one was arrested and held accountable after the 2008 crash, aided and abetted by banks, traders and ratings agencies all colluding to rip off the American citizen for financial gain. There has been NO real reform. It’s beyond sickening.

      • skeptical_inquirer

        There hasn’t even been any sort of social shunning of these guys. Even Ted Cruz is openly hated by members of his own party.

        • Steven Leahy

          Agree. I hear so many people bitching about Bernie ranting on and on about this. In my opinion, this government-sanctioned, wall street driven, economic raping and plundering of this country is THE #1 reason behind most of our issues.

          • Friday

            Of course just because the plundering was *wrong* doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, that’s how they have been holding the economy hostage since Dubya post-dated a big fat check to them on the way out of office. One of the elephants in the room is that the bad guys *already got* a ton of money and power and that can’t just be ignored/blamed away so simply.

          • Max_1

            ^^^ THIS ^^^

    • Max_1

      I hope we’re all paying attention.

      The crash started under Bush.
      Obama inherited this baby.
      Heads didn’t roll under either Administration.
      BOTH Presidents own it!

      • leastyebejudged

        SHHHHH, we don’t talk about that here !

  • [Bernie] has brought income inequality and the lingering pain of the middle class to center stage and pushed Mrs. Clinton a bit more to the left than she might have gone on economic issues. Mr. Sanders has also surfaced important foreign policy questions, including the need for greater restraint

    Oh Bernie, you are a very bad, bad bad bad man. Come over here so the NYTimes Editorial board can give you a big ol’ spanking because NYT editors, being no fools, know exactly where their bread is buttered….and so does St. Hillary.

    Yes, NYT…unlike other “Revolutionaries” who were elected to office like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, JFK or Barack, the LGBT-loving magic negro, Bernie the Socialist just isn’t going to work out so well for us. … Hilary is clearly a much more “realistic” choice….because The Trump Kabuki Show is simply way too embarrassing. C’mon guys lets face it… the whole income equality schtick is just way too overrated…we’ve got our hands in the cookie jar of happiness…and we cant ever head back to those quaint and socially retarded pre-1980s financial laws that required disclosure and socially responsible behavior.

    • Friday

      Uh, what? Starting with exactly how is drawing Hillary to the left *bad?*

      • Jonty Coppersmith

        I think that was snark?

      • Hilary doesn’t want to be drawn to the left, y’all. But whatever it takes to keep the natives from getting too restless.

        Don’t you people know how badly the whole “social issues” schtick plays in Peoria and Little Rock? We can only play that human rights card in places where the demand for economic diversity and equality requires it.

        • Friday

          Thin.

          • She’s not doing a good job of keeping the “Wall St.” ball, the “Human Rights” ball and the “US Noblesse oblige” balls in the air. Her fake juggling act is a far thinner apparition than any analogy or joke I could ever make.

          • Max_1
  • Bill_Perdue

    Hillary’s bigwig friends are doing a hatchet job on BS.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/01/29/hillarys-corporate-democrats-taking-down-bernie-sanders/

    Infighting is fun.

  • Ish

    Yeah, the NY Times also vigorously supported the invasion of Iraq too.

  • DutchBoy74

    You know I am really disgusted with these establishment blowing off progress as “Too hard” or “unobtainable” or “unelectable”.

    That is NOT what this country is about.

    JFK challenged us to go to moon. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard. Because it is a challenge we are willing to accept.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ateh7hnEnik

    Obama ran on a platform of YES WE CAN. In his SOTU address he laid out another moonshot to cure cancer. Universal single payer health care will remove corporate barriers and withholding of knowledge and research. It will lower costs and unite the health community and this country’s resources to do this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJDyBBGncQc

    Then Hillary and all the establishment try to lay out that Bernie’s proposals are too outlandish and we should settle for less because “NO WE CAN’T”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyT44Vmb0Io

    That is NOT what this country is about.

    • Max_1

      How far we come, baby…
      … “From Yes We Can” to “No We Won’t”.

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    • skeptical_inquirer

      I think you’ve pinpointed what irks me about people grousing that Bernie is too extreme. The Tea Party and the Koch suckers have NO PROBLEM being crazy extreme and because they were relentless and stubborn about getting what they want, they managed to push the Overton window so right that Nixon looks like a flaming liberal.

      The idea that keeping the Overton window where it is now is a victory is wrong.

      • leastyebejudged

        People really ARE conservative at heart.

        They know what needs to be done. They know it would be VERY hard.
        They know shit would have to change, and not superficial change, but real change.
        And it will probably hit them in the pocketbook.

        Give them props for at least being honest about it.

        Democrats aren’t so much different then Republicans after all.

        • skeptical_inquirer

          Actually the current situation hurts us more because overall we spend way more on healthcare but having much less in return than other countries. On top of that most people risk bankruptcy in a way that people in other countries simply don’t face. And if campaign reform and bank reform were done, people would face a system where their voice counted and they would be less likely to bail out assholes who gamble with billions of dollars. I think generally Americans are simply penny wise and pound foolish.

          • leastyebejudged

            That’s what I said.

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  • kladinvt

    Sooprize Sooprize. What a “bold move” by the NYT, I’d never have guessed they would endorse Hillary!

  • Max_1

    Feeling the Bern…

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  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Personally, I do prefer Bernie and should he win the primary, I hope that Hillary supporters vote for him so as to ensure a continued progressive move in the U.S. Conversely, should Hillary pull it out, I hope the same is true. Perfect she isn’t, nobody is, but as I’ve said before, the alternative (as it stands now) is a Republican. Remember that before whining about your candidate not being the choice of the people and choosing not to vote. If you choose to vote by abstaining, you are in effect voting Republican.

    As much as some here want you to believe both parties exactly the same, the fact remains, on many important issues, they are not. Consider also, who will have control of the next choices for SCOTUS. Wisdom is knowing when to be pragmatic as opposed to dogmatic.

    • Max_1

      This election needs to WILL be a Dem. PERIOD!

      The way the balance of power has been stacked by Republicans in the House and Senate through all the gerrymandering they’ve managed to do AND the voter restrictions they have put in place… If a Republican get’s the Office, we’re screwed! None of the GOP candidates are qualified to make rational decisions about governing this Nation.They’re far too beholden to their special interest groups and “Freedom fighter friends” who seek to oppress the LGBT community. I mean, look at Teddy Cruz. He’ll accept money from LGBT people who can appreciate being 2/3rds equal…

      However equal treatment under the law isn’t exclusive to the LGBT community. IN fact, even though we have been an underserved segment of society in regards to equal Rights, we should NOT lose sight of the flip side of Justice or should I say, injustice. The injustice of tanking this Nation’s economy and ruining innocent people’s lives and never being held criminally liable must be accounted. Robber Barons are called just that. And they are continuing to make themselves rich off of screwing us and everyone else around us.

      This is why I’m an advocate for Bernie Sanders.

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  • Ninja0980

    Just a friendly reminder that there are going to be close to a 100 judicial vacancies when the next President takes office.
    Who do we want filling those seats, a Republican or a Democrat?

  • Tigernan Quinn

    I can’t even talk to Bernie supporters anymore. They’re completely off the rails.

  • bill weber

    The NYT and HRC, the team that gave you the Iraq War….

  • J Ascher

    So, Sanders’ decades of experience in Congress don’t count? The old gray lady isn’t on the up and up here.

  • JCF

    http://images.sodahead.com/polls/004409971/754772900_Green_Yes_I_agree_button_300x300_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg

    Heh, ONE of the two endorsees named above will publicize the endorsement!