Austin Ruse To Scott Lively: You Can’t Sit With Us

Scott Lively is livid at fellow hate group leader Austin Ruse for “distancing himself” from the “boogeyman” that Lively has become. From Lively’s site:

When I first started reading Austin’s article I was pleased and excited. I thought finally one of the “titans” of the pro-family movement was going to come to my defense. But as I read on I realized that the whole article was designed to distance the “mainstream” movement from me because now that the “gays” have turned me into their ultimate “boogeyman” they’re trying to hurt the mainstream groups by suggesting they might somehow be associated with me. Marxist strategist Saul Alinsky taught his followers to 1) pick a target to be the symbol of their opposition, 2) freeze the target in place through unceasing propaganda, and 3) publicly destroy the target to set an example to those who oppose them. I’ve somehow become that target: the sacrificial scapegoat of the LGBT movement. And, short of a miracle of God, I will be publicly destroyed, if not through the “Crimes Against Humanity” lawsuit then by some other means. If we have learned nothing else about the agitators of the modern LGBT movement, we know they are as relentless and implacable as their ancient counterparts in Sodom, who would not desist from their siege of Lot’s home even though they were struck blind by God. I’ve done nothing to warrant being ostracized by fellow Christians like Austin. I’ve never advocated hate or violence against anyone. The accusations in the lawsuit and on the “gay” blogosphere are false. The facts I’ve exposed about the “gay” movement and history in my writings are true. I’m not a wild-eyed crazy like the late Fred Phelps. The only justification Austin and his associates have for shunning me is that I make them uncomfortable, and my plain-speaking gets in the way of their public relations schemes.

Here’s some of what Lively is screaming about:

Scott Lively apparently is an ordained minister, like Al Sharpton, though, like Sharpton, it isn’t entirely clear whether he, in fact, pastors. But that is irrelevant when you’re going for the trifecta; anti-gay, Christian, pastor. Who is Scott Lively? He has bummed around the pro-family movement for many years but has never really been accepted by the mainstream groups. I am told he does not work well with others. One major pro-family figure told me that Lively is just as happy attacking other pro-family people as he is going after the LGBTs. [Good As You blogger Jeremy] Hooper’s piece mentions that Lively was present at the Moscow planning meeting of the World Congress of Families and concludes that Lively had now been accepted by the likes of Alliance Defending Freedom, and Focus on the Family. What Hooper does not know and what has not been reported until now is that Lively’s presence at that meeting came as a surprise to many of the Americans present and that they strongly suggested that Lively not be invited back, which he wasn’t. He went on to found his own international group that hasn’t even made a ripple. It is odd to me that the gays make such a big deal about Lively because I have been active in international pro-family circles for going on twenty years and I had barely heard of him. I had never met him until he showed up at the Moscow planning meeting and I have never seen him since.

Delicious, delicious, delicious.

  • MattM


    • Paula

      Yep! He can’t sit at the cool kids table.

  • bambinoitaliano

    The haters are having the case of gay fatigue?

    • Michael Rush

      feathers are falling out of their boas . it’s that serious .

    • StraightGrandmother


    • BudClark

      “If YOU’RE tired of hearing about homophobia, IMAGINE what it’s like for those of us who have to LIVE with it every damn day!”

  • Mike C

    Saulalinsky, Saulalinsky, Saulalinsky!

    • Judas Peckerwood

      Seriously, I’m guessing that 99 out of 100 progressives couldn’t even tell you who Alinsky was. Yet the wingnuts seem to think that we all have a personal shrine to him in our homes or something.

      • Jamie_Johnson

        Move over Aqua Buddha, there’s a new shrine in town!

      • teeveedub

        Are you telling me that you don’t? Mine is nestled snugly in the Karl Marx grotto, right next to the abortionist pavilion.

        • 2karmanot

          Hello brother!

      • 2karmanot

        Well, some of us do. He is enshrined on my ‘gottcha’ altar between Karl Marx and Anus Rand.

      • wmforr

        Quick: Who is Michael Swift?

        spoiler ahead

        Why, Michael Swift is the founder of the homofascist movement of which we are all a part. He wrote the infamous Homosexual Manifesto, which we recite at all our Conspiracy meetings:

        “We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us….”

        • Oh hell, I have trouble just dealing with working and taking care of the house and yard!

          • Tor

            You’d better fucking get out there and fulfill your homo-duties. The Gaystapo is watching.

        • 2karmanot

          Dahmmmn, I’m exhausted!

        • Jack M.

          Step 1: Find a satirical piece published in 1987 in a local radical gay rag with a tiny circulation.

          Step 2: Pretend that it’s serious. Never mention that it says in the introduction that it is satire. Don’t mention that “Swift” is a pseudonym which was intended to evoke the famous satirist. Try not to quote the zaniest parts about how the US government will be abolished and replaced by gay poets or how beautiful men will be grown in laboratories.

          Step 3: Get Rep. William Dannemeyer to enter the piece into the Congressional Record, which members of Congress do routinely for everything from birthday wishes to recipes to newspaper clippings.

          Step 4: Spend the next 30 years telling everyone that the piece is an admission by a gay activist of the true gay agenda, and that even Congress knows about it because it is in the Congressional Record!

          Step 5: Act very offended when people doubt your love of gay people.

          • Mike in NC

            And of course, have as an addendum a copy of “After The Ball”, which one of my friends dismissed way back when as “assimilationist dreck”.

    • 2karmanot

      He can see Sara from his house!

  • jc

    File this under the “infighting is delicious” category.

  • oikos

    There seems to be a holding pattern of internecine warfare in repug and bible thumper circles since since the SCOTUS ruling. Here’s to hoping it continues.

    • This gif is strangely mesmerizing.

      • Chucktech

        Yeah, it’s kinda like, “I could do that…”

        • 2karmanot

          Oh yes, could just climb inside and eat my way out.

      • I’m putting on the pounds just watching it.

    • Rambie

      What goes around comes around. The circular firing squad is getting better and better.

    • Kissmagrits

      You’ll know this going somewhere when Christianists begin firebombing each other’s nabbertwackles (a tip of the hat toTommy Smothers).

  • StraightGrandmother

    Hey, I am liking this part,
    “And, short of a miracle of God, I will be publicly destroyed, if not
    through the “Crimes Against Humanity” lawsuit then by some other means.”

    Hmm DISCOVERY in that Uganda lawsuit is going on right now and has been for a few months now. Oh-Oh Scott, are you starting to feel the walls close in on you? Hope you like drinking water out of a tin cup.

    • There does seem to be a good amount of panic in there. Shockingly, when you’re directly involved with putting people to death because they were born a certain way, that’s generally considered a bad thing.

      • Gest2016

        Panic? I hope this reaches all the way to Rick Warren, who has also been exporting toxic homophobia and advocating draconian laws to persecute gays. There is blood on SO many “religious” hands here and Scott Lively is just the tip of the iceberg. I think now that we have so much “free time” on our hands after Obergefel, its time to really nail the psychopaths who continue to use religion to promote genocide. Can anybody say, “No more tax exemption for Saddleback Church”?????

        • ZhyKitty

          Or any church.
          We could solve half the world’s problems if we stripped the wealth of the Catholic Church alone and had honest people to channel it all into where it needs to go….but ah…there’s the rub.

          • Lee Rowan

            The Catholic Church is, at the moment, doing good work on the environment and economics. They still suck at sex, but they always have. Better to TAX US churches – tax any money not used for the actual care of those in need.

    • Langalf

      Strange thought: do they actually even make tin cups anymore? Probably not, aluminum is cheaper. Another classic image down-the-drain.

      • Octavio

        Yup. They still make tin cups. Most of them have “Boy Scouts of America” stamped on them. 🙂

        • Langalf

          Octavio, I looked it up, and I’m disappointed. the Boy Scout “Vintage Tin Cup” is made of stainless steel.

          • Octavio

            ‘Tis a tragedy as is most of life.

      • canoebum

        For modern outdoor use, stainless steel is the preferred material among those of us who like our things to be durable. Enameled steel is good, too, and has the advantage of being available in colors. I don’t drink from plastic cups, not even boiled pond water.

        • ZhyKitty

          Those are beautiful! My dollhouse has those exact same plates and bowls in blue!
          (A nearly lifelong hobby is working on and perfecting my 18th century dollhouse. The gorgeous heavy cast iron wood burning stove – well, the whole kitchen, really – is my favorite part!)

          • Ginger Snap

            I love that you are a dollhouse remodler and collector.

          • ZhyKitty

            Oh yes. I love dollhouses. I love everything about them.
            However jaded I ever became, I somehow managed to keep the child-like wonder and fascination with dolls and dollhouses. A few years ago, before my hands were as eaten up as they are now, you should have seen the elaborate period piece wigs I designed and made for my Hedi Ott dollhouse dolls….and the beautiful dresses, dressing gowns, and nightgowns I made.
            It’s like drag, but on a miniature level!
            There’s a baby in the house…20 years ago, when my hands were young, I sewed her christening gown and bonnet by hand. All to scale. The smallest work I’ve ever done…even under the magnifying glass, it was hard to do…
            Of course, all the bed hangings, quilts, draperies, throw pillows…it’s all my work.
            Sadly, I can’t do the teeny tiny detail work anymore… my hands just can’t… but I’ve saved all the unfinished pieces, hoping that someday maybe a Granddaughter or Grandson will come along who shares my passion for it all…..

          • Ginger Snap

            It must be amazing.

          • ZhyKitty

            I would like to think so.
            I love it so much….but we love anything that we put years of work into, right? lol

          • Tor

            Dear ZhyKitty, You have an 18th century dollhouse. Hoodathunk? The depth of your personality grows constantly.

          • ZhyKitty

            I should clarify, lest you picture something of greater value than it has. When we were little girls, our father made these dollhouses for us. One for me, and one for my twin.
            My dollhouse is very Gone With The Wind, (1860-ish), a look I’ve been enchanted with since I first saw the film as a small girl, though it is not a copy of Tara, just a house in the Plantation style which would fit in that time period.
            My twin sister’s dollhouse is different from mine. She was very much in love with The Nutcracker, so her house is built in the style of, and over time was decorated as an imagining of Clara’s house. More specifically, it is set/decorated to look as the house did on the night of the party made famous by the ballet.
            The houses were taller than we were when he made them, and even now, emptied, they are so large that it takes a grown man to move one.
            Someday, generations from now, they may be of actual investment-like monetary value to our descendants, but I hope both of them will stay in the family and always be cherished by a boy or a girl who falls in love with them the way we did.
            They’re not really toys… though we did play with them when we were children, as what was in them to begin with was not expensive collected pieces and handmade pieces as they evolved to be later on..
            They were initially created for us to play with, but Daddy had hopes that we would be interested in hobbying – as it was something we could do together when we were bigger, which is what ended up happening. : )

            So…to be clear, it’s not as if I own something of antique value which has existed since the 1800’s – and I didn’t mean to be misleading. I should have said so in my first post – but it IS a house in which I have invested myself and my talents since I was very young. For years, when we were making good money, we both invested in buying beautiful dolls and furnishings, but it has been many years since I’ve put any real money in mine (for I no longer can afford the hobby),and even longer for my sister (her daughter inherited hers upon her death) who eventually saw hers as finished sometime in our early 30’s.
            By the time we were that age, our main focus was on the dolls and the costumes for them, as we’d pretty much finished collecting furniture and items…though a few choice things that added detail would be come across from time to time…and someday perhaps a talented Grandchild will add even more. : )

          • Steve Teeter

            That’s awesome, my dear.

          • ZhyKitty

            Thank you. : )
            I bet there is more than one man here who, when he was a boy, would have treasured such a thing.
            It’s nice to know that in the future, little boys will be allowed such things, and not kept from them. It’s a wonderful way to express creativity.

          • Steve Teeter

            Oh, but little boys do have such things. They’re called model train sets, and you can take the decoration and modelling as far as you want. Many grown men never stop.

          • Tor

            I think I understood you meant 18th-century-style. But still it is a surprise that you have that interest – it added another dimension to my idea of who you are. I am also enamored of the fact that you hand-made most of the items and clothing. I think it’s just wonderful. Monetary value of something like this is meaningless.

        • Silver Badger

          Nice to see a change from blue.

    • Octavio

      More like drinking cholera-laden dirty water out of a crack piece of plastic bottle.

      • 2karmanot

        Love the visuals. Throw in some dirty martyr rags soaked with tears and I’m in!

    • Chucktech

      It DOES, in fact, sound like poor ol’ Scott’s having a moment of doubt and weakness and vulnerability… Must suck for him…

      • Gene

        indeed! But, to be told you are toxic by Austin Ruse…ewwww…
        THAT is the definition of “no one in the lunchroom will sit with me and I have to tie pork chops on my pants to get the dogs to play with me”

        • Christopher

          “Sorry, I can’t play with you anymore. Your mom’s check bounced. From now on tell the bitch I want cash!”

    • Pollos Hermanos

      Anyone know if Martin Ssempa has answered his subpoena yet?

      • StraightGrandmother

        I know, isn’t that great that they found out he is an American citizen & subject to a subpena?
        If he doesn’t agree to a deposition and discovery he will lose his American Citizenship I would think. He is naturalized I believe having married an American woman.

      • SsssssssBOOM!

      • BudClark

        Probably couldn’t find his lavender crayon.

    • Jude Newton

      Publicly destroyed…. Unlike the gays in Uganda Lively outed and were publicly killed. Poor baby.

    • kaydenpat

      His paranoia is delicious. How many LGBTs have been destroyed by his hate mongering — especially in foreign countries? His karma is coming back to get him.

  • olandp

    Me thinks the lady doth protest too much.

  • TommyTune

    Perhaps not that many others in the “pro-family” (read: gay-hating) circles don’t know about Lively, but that hasn’t stopped his outsized influence on the continent of Africa, sowing more seeds of hatred than Johnny Appleseed did apple seeds, all of which have borne an abundance of bitter fruit.

    • BudClark

      “The weed of crime bears bitter fruit.

      The Shadow knows.”

  • ColdCountry

    Couldn’t happen to a “nicer” guy.

  • Capritaur

    Yet he wants to distance himself from the “wild-eyed crazy” Fred Phelps. How cute.

    • TampaDink

      This upsets me. I’d like for them to be even more alike… least in one very special way.

      • Tor

        I understand….

      • Capritaur

        That would be letting him off way too easy. I hope he gets what’s coming for him and what should have come to Phelps combined.

        • TampaDink

          Either or both would be fine with me. ☺

      • In case Lievly has forgotten that special scripture I’ll begin it for him: “It is appointed unto man once __ ___….”

        • TampaDink

          A really sweet passage. ☺

      • BudClark

        Um, deceased, perhaps?


      This is gonna be good. Fred Phelps may be dead but he just pissed off the Phelps Clan.

      • Reality.Bites

        They disowned Phred before he died for not being crazy enough, so they probably won’t care about him being called crazy.

        • robirob

          They also had to cast him out, because (based on their belief) only the ones who are pure will be raptured body and soul. It would have looked very suspicious if the corpse of the leader of the group does not rise up to heaven for all the followers to see.

          • Reality.Bites

            Surely other members have died before him, no?

          • robirob

            They could explain away followers not being pure enough, but when their very own leader and founder of the cult isn’t pure enough that must give some followers reason to pause and ask themselves why they even bother?

    • Eric in Oakland

      “I’m not a wild-eyed crazy like the late Fred Phelps.”

      My irony meter broke when I read that.

      • RaygunsGoZap

        I thought: “Well, yes, Fred was honest about who he was and what he was doing! Also, Fred wasn’t gay!”

      • 2karmanot

        True that, my hysterical o’meter broke its fast hand.

      • BudClark


    • IamM

      Yeah. And he’s overly confident about which of the two out crazies the other.

    • Silver Badger

      Easier now that Phred has passed on.

  • TampaDink

    “And, short of a miracle of God, I will be publicly destroyed, if not through the “Crimes Against Humanity” lawsuit then by some other means.” Sniff.

    • zhera

      *sniff* It’s so beautiful!

      • Michael Rush

        … someone pick me up some kleenex if your’re headed that way .

      • BudClark

        I’m picturing an icon with him naked, shot through with arrows like Saint Sebastian.

    • ScottJL

      He says that like it’s a bad thing.

    • Chris Baker

      Oh the martyrdom. In fact, it seems as if no one has ever heard of him. He’s probably more well known by gays than by the anti-gay movement,
      Except as a footnote in some propaganda pieces by FOTF.

    • wmforr

      Do I hear thunderous applause in the background?

      • TampaDink

        The smell of the greasepaint, the roar of the crowd.

        • Steve Teeter

          I thought it was the other way around.

          • TampaDink

            I think that they are interchangeable.

  • i truly hope he gets a prison sentence.

    • vorpal

      Unfortunately, he won’t. The Alien Tort Statute under which he’s being tried, I believe, only allows for civil cases.

      • boourns 🙁

        • Chucktech

          As long as it impoverishes and destroys him, I’m fine with that.

      • BudClark

        UNLESS they turn up something CRIMINAL in DISCOVER.

        Let us pray.

  • vorpal

    “Hey, Ugandans! Homosexuals are all either child molesters out to rape your children into homosexual enslavement, or they’re ultra-masculine psychopaths as evidenced by their leadership of the Nazi party, and they want nothing more than to kill you and subvert every facet of your way of life!”

    “But hey, no… I’m not advocating hate or violence against anyone! Just watch those disgusting soulless homosexual scum and throw them in prison for life or kill them – in nonviolent ways! It’s the most loving thing you can do for them!”

    “You can’t trust them! But nosiree, don’t hate them or treat them with violence!”

    • vorpal

      “(Oh, and they eat tha poo-poo!)”

  • LovesIrony

    too bigoted for the bigots? They can all eat shit.

    • vorpal

      When this happens, is it bigot-bigotry or bigotry-try?
      (I’ll tell you what it is: fucking hilarious!)

      • LovesIrony


        • BudClark

          They do that too.

          Then they eat them.

    • BudClark

      Now y’all fine white gentlemens stop y’ur fightin’ an’ have another slice of Miss Minnie’s special pie.

      With whipped cream.

  • StraightGrandmother

    I think this is fascinating intel from Austin Ruse. Who knew?
    So who is paying fro Scott Lively’s lawyers then I wonder if not Alliance Defending freedom?

    And again Austin Ruse brings up Jeremy Hooper, it seems like he has a fixation on Jer.
    I forget how this started, does anybody remember? Jer must have written something about him, oh wait, I think it goes back to when Austin Ruse got kicked off of the org, “Cath (something). It probably goes back to when Austin Ruse said something like some college administrators of religious schools should be shot (it was similar to this).
    If I am not mistaken the org Austin got kicked off of is listed as a certified Hate Group by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC). He sure has a thing for Jeremy Hooper.

    I can’t remember has he gone after JMG also? I think he has.

    • BAMinRI

      Austin was subbing for Sandy Rios’ on her American Family Association radio show, when he said (IIRC) that liberal college profs should be taken out and shot. AFA decided they couldn’t deal with the bad resulting PR, and banned Ruse from ever hosting again on AFA. That’s my recollection of the incident.

      Please correct me if I got any part of this wrong.

      • StraightGrandmother

        That part I think you have right. But additionally Austin Ruse used to have a Board of Directors seat at some Catholic org, Catho (something) and after he said that on American Family Radio he also lost that Board seat. If I am not mistaken he was one of the original founders of that Catho org too.

    • Remember, that’s because Austin had been trolling on Jeremy’s page in the past. We gave him a good collective seeing-to about 6 months ago. I’m thinking you were probably part of it.

  • Ladies and Gentleman!
    Mr Crimes Against Humanity himself is here with us today!
    Please make room or better yet distance, cause you know it makes the heart grow fonder and all that…
    Tickets to 3rd world countries needing the fear of God being redistributed in a lively manner, no refunds.

    • Steve Teeter

      Distance: The only thing the rich are willing to allow the poor to have, and keep.
      — Ambrose Bierce

  • David L. Caster

    It’s not as if these so-called “family” groups have been following that Saul Alinsky plan to the letter or anything. Nosiree, lily white and squeaky clean the lot of them. And of course, Scott Deadly would never do that either.


    • wmforr

      But from the looks if this little tiff, it should be called the Dysfunctional Family Movement.


    Circular firing squads are fun to watch.

  • zhera

    The facts I’ve exposed about the “gay” movement and history in my writings are true

    Sure, Vilely. Sure.

    I guess he’s getting less in donations now?

    • it really makes me wonder. who does he think the scare quotes work for, anymore? “gay” is, well. totally real. a thing. most people have noticed. some people don’t like us, sure, but it’s not like we’re unicorns (well, most of us aren’t, anyway).

      but what, is this the third grade? a girl scout troop? putting scare quotes around the word gay is like writing to the President… in crayon. whatever the fuck ” ” around the word gay is supposed to mean in his own mind, it means nothing to people who know the sun rises in the east, the sky is blue, and gay people exist. no matter how much he may not like it.

  • StraightGrandmother

    pssst Scott, They’re just not that into you.

  • StraightGrandmother

    I must add though, isn’t Austin Ruse starting to sound a little like Trump?
    The attacking.

  • John Ruff

    I’d still like to face fuck the sh$t outta Scott’s sexy bearded mouth! Mmmm, open wide baby! Take it all and don’t gag!

    • Chucktech

      Hell, he just might like it…

    • Mike__in_Houston

      Maybe he’ll soon be getting plenty of practice but, to be fair, that photo of him is much more flattering than most I’ve seen. Be careful what you wish for…

      • Reality.Bites

        No, he’s not been charged with a criminal offence.

    • wmforr

      Now that is perverted.

      • BudClark

        Perversion! Yum! If his arse is as hairy as his face, we can spit-roast him!

      • John Ruff

        Yeah baby. I’d love to hear him choke and gag.

  • Roger
  • bkmn

    Ruse wants to distance himself from Lively while they decide how to proceed after the SCOTUS marriage decision. They need to decide what kind of “religious” freedom bills they can draft and pass out to their suckers without Lively having access to any of their plans which could come out in his trial.

  • BeaverTales

    I’m not a wild-eyed crazy like the late Fred Phelps.

    OMG. You’ve got to be kidding me.

    • 2karmanot

      The eyebrow done raised!

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Ruse versus Lively?
    Sorry, wouldn’t sit with either of these toxic, putrefying slime molds.

  • his mind is still stuck in the decades that alinsky was alive and writing.

  • James

    I’ve somehow become a target of LGBT-rights supporters. BUT WHY?!

    • BudClark

      Because you are an asshole the size of the Holland Tunnel, and smell WORSE.

  • goofy_joe

    You know that horrible 3-step plan you laid out? Seems to be you’ve been doing that with us for your entire public career. Sucks, don’t it?

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Hey Snotty, as your ‘good book’ says: as you sow, so shall you reap……and you’ve sown a lot of hatred, so deal with it.

  • “The only justification Austin and his associates have for shunning me is that I make them uncomfortable” – in general, i don’t choose to associate with people who make me uncomfortable – and especially if my association with them is connected with activism or public relations. i could suggest to mr. lively that they are “just not that into him” ,but i fear the cultural allusion may be too recent for him to pick up on.

  • So first off Austin Ruse said that he only Meet lively once and that he hasn’t seen him since and Scott Lively says that “our few encounters have been cordial and respectful.” So which is it, one of them is lying about the number of times they have interacted.

    Beyond that the split between the “mainstream” groups and the smaller anti-gay groups has been around for a while now and flares up whenever the b-list activists don’t stay in their place. MassResistance is another example of a B-list organization that gets shunned by the “mainstream” groups

    • Which one’s lying? The one who says they’ve only done it once. Every single time….

    • grada3784

      You know you can’t tell those darned straights apart from one another. Especially the haters.

  • MDB

    One angry old white bigot pissed at another old angry white bigot !!! Heavens ta’ murgatroyd !!!

  • D. J.

    When another crazy monster declares you’re a crazy monster, you are a crazy monster.

  • Octavio

    Gotta love it when two perfect ass holes fight it out in the cosmic muck. This tid bit has made my day.

  • leo77

    “Titans” of the pro-family movement. (eye roll)

    Ruse is nothing, but a holy roller hack who’s only priority is to advance the influence the Roman Catholic church. What family anywhere is better off because of the policies Ruse has advanced. Opposing abortion, birth control and the gays is not pro-family.

  • 2karmanot

    Oh dear Sistah Wawa has the victim, martyr sadz.

  • Queequeg

    The gays did not turn him into a boogeyman, he did that all by himself by instigating the Uganda “kill the gays” bill. Don’t look for trouble if you can’t deal with the fallout.

  • wmforr

    Is it sinful of me to get a thrill watching them rip each other to shreds, now that their pool of donors is rapidly shrinking?

    • Tor

      According to them it is a sin for you to merely exist. The rest is just fun.

    • Justin

      Perhaps. Come sit by me.

  • StraightGrandmother

    Okay so I just went and read the full article on Austin Ruse’s site. I read a good deal of the comments including AR commenting in comments, and I dunno, this just doesn’t pass the smell test.

    We know Discovery is going on right now in the Uganda Court Case. I dunno I am getting the sense that this article by Austin Ruse could be a cover your ass attempt because of documents found on Scott Lively OR even Documents found on American/Ugandan Martin Ssempa files. There must be docs that lead from Lively/Ssempa to other American anti LGBT groups. And this article by Austin Ruse is an attempt to put distance between Lively & other American LGBT groups Austin Ruse likes.

    After reading the Austin Ruse article this simply doesn’t pass the smell test to me. There is something behind why this article was written, I just don’t see it as random. Must be a CYA article if not for Austin Ruse for somebody else he likes. Must have something to do with that court case and Discovery.

    Remember about 2/3 weeks ago Joe ran an article that Porno Pete was having a joint fundraiser for him & Lively?

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      *1000! Something sure stinks, and there is definitely some ulterior motive here.

    • Tor

      You are very shrewd, SG. I think you may be on to something.

  • Marides48

    “I’m not a wild-eyed crazy like the late Fred Phelps”
    But ya are Blanche!!!

  • Cuberly

    Yeesh, Ruse’s whole haughty article is rather groan worthy. But he does mention how Lively doesn’t play well with other “family” activists.

    If you scroll down the comments on the article Lively writes a loooooooog reply where he basically proves Ruse’s point.

    I realize the bible bubble insulates it’s practishioners from any form of self reflection let alone accountability. Here’s Ruse’s claim as to the reason for his involvement as anti-lgbt crusader.

    “Some times people ask me why I “obsess” over the LGBT issue. I tell them
    I’d rather talk about practically anything else. I tell them that we
    did not start this argument. We are only responding.”

    Then, reading the comments over there, wow, yeah, they’re just “responding”, pretty vile hateful shit. Lively/Ruse two sides to the same plug nickle.

  • anne marie in philly

    yeah, we really need a tag for “they eat themselves”. bwhahahahahahaha!

  • Keep an eye on which usually has an editorial bitching about LGBT issues at least every other day.

  • Bill T.

    Bye, Felicia.

  • Ginger Snap

    Even shit doesn’t like shit at their dinner table.

  • joe ho
  • John T

    I assume that this “barely heard of him” talk is just catty infighting, but I’d really like to believe it’s true that Scott Lively has no influence. I don’t enjoy having boogeymen just for the sake of having boogeymen. However, I will likely continue to hold a lifelong grudge against him because of his involvement with the OCA and Oregon’s Measure 9 in 1992, which I took very personally. I will never forgive or forget Scott Lively.

    • Reality.Bites

      It’s seemed clear to me for quite some time that Lively, Porno Pete and Eugene have not really had anything to do with the main anti-gay industry, the first two because they’re batshit crazy, and the latter because he’s just a grifter collecting money who never actually does anything. Obviously none of them accomplish anything anymore, but Gene just sits on his growing pile of money.

    • Tor

      Lively may have very little influence in the US. But what about Uganda? Big fish in a small pond, and all that.

  • Bj Lincoln

    It’s pretty bad when the loser table doesn’t want you.

  • dcurlee

    It’s sinfully delicious

  • Megatron Man

    ♫ I have always wanted to have a neighbor just like you,
    I’ve always wanted to live in a neighborhood with you.

    ♫ So let’s make the most of this beautiful day,
    Since we’re together, we might as well say,
    Would you be mine? Could you be mine?
    Won’t you be my neighbor?

    ♫ Won’t you please, won’t you please,
    Please won’t you be my neighbor?

  • Princess Lardass

    “Marxist strategist Saul Alinsky taught his followers to 1) pick a target to be the symbol of their opposition, 2) freeze the target in place through unceasing propaganda, and 3) publicly destroy the target to set an example to those who oppose them. I’ve somehow become that target.”

    The irony is fucking PRICELESS!

  • BillTheCat50

    ohhhh SNAP! That’s gotta sting, eh Scotty?

  • robirob

    “He went on to found his own international group that hasn’t even made a
    ripple. It is odd to me that the gays make such a big deal about Lively
    because I have been active in international pro-family circles for going
    on twenty years and I had barely heard of him.”

    To me that sounds like Austin Ruse is pulling rank and seniority. He’s basicall telling Lively “Bitch, this is MY corner!”. I think it’s more about Ruse making sure that his steady money flow from donations doesn’t suffer from some of it finding its way into Lively’s pockets.

  • Jim

    Two skunks say each other stinks. Hmmm.

  • Guess

    Literally the definition of a Lively debate.

  • nkd

    So Lively is whining that ( in his imagination) people are going to treat him exactly as he treated them. And somehow that’s not fair.

  • Alencon

    Actually, yeah, you are a wide-eyed crazy like the late Fred Phelps. That’s why no one wants to play with you.

  • Halou

    Couldn’t have happened to a nice person, I’m sure.

  • Michael Hampton

    Poor Scott. Even other anti-gay bigots don’t like him.

  • ExGayTherapyKills

    Scott Lively is a sick evil man who needs to be put away for a very long time.

  • Bill T.

    So the rattlesnake won’t let the scorpion sit next to him. Venom is venom. Poison is poison.

  • Jack M.

    Best Scott Lively post was in 2010 after the repeal of DADT. His prediction: The presence of open gays would drive heterosexual Christian men out of the military. As the number of homosexuals increased, they would conspire to actively pressure Christian heteros to leave. Secret cabals of gay officers would conspire to promote their own while driving out Christians. As the military quietly is taken over by homosexuals, who as we all know are Nazis, the US would be vulnerable to a coup d’etat. Eventually, the vast US nuclear arsenal will be in the hands of homosexuals, who can use it to force homosexuality on the entire world.

    He’s not crazy, y’all!

    • Steve Teeter

      What nuclear arsenal? 60 Minutes pointed out that the whole system is being run with crumbling technology dating back to the 1960s. We’d be lucky to fire a missile if we wanted to.

  • rusty57

    “I’ve “somehow” become that target…of the LGBT movement.”

    No “somehow” about it Scotty. You’ve agitated for our extermination.
    Tick-tock motherfucker.

  • 2amor

    As Joe says, infighting is sooooo fun!

  • D. J.

    Now he decides to clutch his pearls?

    • BudClark

      More like anal beads … LARGE anal beads.

  • Sporkfighter


  • DumbHairyApe

    “I’ve done nothing to warrant being ostracized by fellow Christians like Austin. I’ve never advocated hate or violence against anyone.”

    Mr. Lively, When you advocate ideas and offer speech that invites and incites others to hate and do harm to others, you are just as guilty of doing that harm yourself…if not even more culpable. One person with a rock may hurt one other person- but hate-filled words motivated by bigotry and fed with ignorance and outright lies can hurt a LOT more than one person. You are not so stupid as to not know the consequences of your hate-filled words. If god is love, he surely cannot dwell within you.

    • BudClark

      “I’ve never advocated hate or violence against anyone.”

      That, girls and buoys, is a lie straight from the pit of hell.

      He has advocated for the MURDER of GLBTQAI people, both here and abroad.

      “Thou shalt not bear false witness” IS one of the Ten Really Serious No-Nos, is it not?

      • Steve Teeter

        Jesus said if you lust in your heart you are as guilty of adultery as those who have done it. Lively lusts for violence against gays in his heart. He is guilty.

  • Justin

    How awful for the poor dear.

  • Mark

    In that crowd, once you hit the swirly vortex of the drain – it’s every grifting asshole for himself.

  • Tom Chicago

    couldn’t happen to a nicer guy!

  • Michael David Barber Moghul

    I hope lively is hanged.

  • Nathaniel Grubbs

    “I’m not a wild-eyed crazy like the late Fred Phelps”

    Isn’t he now doing to Phelps what he accuses LGBT people and “pro-family” leaders of doing to him? There is always someone out there crazier than you are, and most people are satisfied to say “At least I am not as crazy as he is.” It seems even Lively has someone who’s “crazy” he doesn’t want to emulate.

  • Lee Rowan

    Ho-hum. He manages to work in Communism AND Sodom in one paragraph. Quite a feat. Trouble is, sexual orientation isn’t Marxist and the crime of Sodom was selfishness and egotism. Sounds a lot like this gang of cannibals…