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This story is all over Teabagistan today and is yet another example of why I so rarely report on alleged anti-gay hate crimes. So fucking infuriating.

  • Oh good god. Two awful women. And accusing the neighbor of it? Ugh.

    • Gigi

      That’s the worst part, accusing their neighbor.

      • I assume there was already a good bit of tension there if they expected the story to stick at all, but still. Come the fuck on.

      • Six Pins Delores

        Bad yes, but not the worst part. These two scumbags used the plight of real victims to line their purse with cash. I’d suggest they be shunned but surely no one would want to have anything to do with them in the first place.

  • Gustav2

    THIS needs to stop. Not helpful.

    • bambinoitaliano

      Three steps forward and two and a half steps backward.

      • barracks9

        Not quite a cha-cha…

        • bambinoitaliano

          For these women it’s char-char.

  • JoeMyGod

    As I’ve told readers that have tipped me to similar “crimes” – several years ago I instituted a general rule that there must be video or uninvolved witnesses. I can’t think of any other way to handle it.

    • bambinoitaliano

      This kind of fraud does take away the opportunity of actual victims of bigotry to tell their stories.

    • Rob

      Honestly, that’s my policy when I hear these stories too. When I was in college, there was a big brouhaha about a anti-gay slurs posted on a gay student’s dorm room door. The school canceled classes for an assembly about tolerance. It came out later that the student posted the sign himself in part because he couldn’t deal with being gay. At my law school, a black student said he was wrongfully detained by police just for walking down the street. He wrote an article about it in the school’s newspaper. After the police did an internal investigation, he admitted that he made the whole story up. And we all remember the rape story that fell apart at UVa last fall.

      Obviously, abuses like these really do happen. But people also lie. All kinds of people lie. Even people that would be our ideological allies.

      • bambinoitaliano

        The story about the boy who cry wolf stood the test of time.

        • Shy Guy

          This is my favourite retelling of that story:
          http://oglaf.com/wolf/

          • StSean

            i LOVE oglaf!

          • forcebear

            So…the guy with the crossbow identifies as a wolf? 😉

    • Ninja0980

      It’s a shame it has to be that way.

    • StraightGrandmother

      I agree. I got burned (no pun intended) one time believing a graffiti smear story and from then on I always reserve judgment until after a police investigation. Even ones where they claim to have been beat up I hold back a little bit unless there is substantial evidence beyond simply what the ” victim” said happened.

    • canoebum

      This story will be repeated many times on the floors of the House and Senate during any debate on the the Equality Act. A real disservice to the community, as well as a crime. That said, it’s doubtful the whole truth has come out yet. Many people are found guilty in a court when in fact they are not guilty. Did the couple confess, or are they sticking with their story?

      • forcebear

        Also, this was a civil trial, so the decision was made based on the preponderance of the evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt. That is, the jury thought it was more likely than not that the Stuttes set the fire themselves.

        In the verdict, the jury specifically concluded the insurer had proved by what’s known as a preponderance of the evidence standard that the Stuttes torched their house in Vonore, Tenn.

        The Stuttes have not been charged in the house arson. The status of their lawsuit against Millsaps was not immediately clear.

        http://www.knoxnews.com/news/watchful-eye/jury-rejects-hate-crime-claim-by-vonore-couple-in-house-fire-lawsuit_11706002

    • Gerry Fisher

      That and “wait a few weeks.” Most of these scams are uncovered very quickly. (This one looks like an exception.)

  • prjoe

    They ARE shameless. I would have called them worse.

  • Gigi

    So gays can be as stupid and deceitful as straights. Who knew?

    • Lakeview Bob

      Exactly. There is too much hand wringing here. Gays can be and sometimes are criminal. The big problem here is the stupid reaction from haters. You can’t use one example of anti social or criminal behavior to brand all gay people. To do so only demonstrates your hate and bigotry towards gay people and your desperate need to prove yourself.

      • OdieDenCO

        Holding one example up as indicative of the behavior of the whole is the definition of Bigotry!

    • barracks9

      The key difference for me is that we actually call out our own for their shitty, duplicitous, criminal behavior, instead of rallying the “He/She repented and that’s between gawd and them” wagons.

    • lymis

      The other big point is that when straight people do this sort of crap they are individually seen as evil and held up as exceptions to the norm, but when gay people do it they are held up as evidence that all of us are evil.

      • stuckinthewoods

        But straight people are the majority. It seems to me that when a member of a minority is guilty, that guilt is ascribed to their minority rather than themselves individually. This allows the guilt ascriber not in that minority to find himself above that.
        I notice that in other things as well, like the news that someone is ill….the initial reaction can be that somehow another facet of their life might have been causative…”whew, and I don’t have that, so..”

      • TreGibbs

        Exactly – if this was a straight couple the headline would simply say “couple”. But “shameless” and “lesbian” must be added, implying a generalization of an entire group.

      • Veylon

        This is one of the key parts of refusing to see someone as a individual person and treat them solely as a representative as a group.

    • Marc

      Equality!

      Snark aside, there *are* very real hate crimes against LGBTs. The fake crimes like this one don’t help our cause, and in fact weakens the perceived need for LGBT protections.

    • Joe Shaw

      Just plain stupid. God.

    • Gerry Fisher

      I *hate* when that happens.

    • RoFaWh

      Don’t we all already know not to leave our wallets out when “entertaining”?

  • bambinoitaliano

    It just highlight the corruption is in the genes of human. The pizza maker, the florist, the baker, and the mechanic, the county clerk, the AG of Texas, Marco Rubio. These lesbians are just part of the statistics on the undesirable people in a society as a whole. Money makes people go against their moral principles as we read on this site everyday.

    • Lakeview Bob

      Exactly.

    • Ginger Snap

      I’m glad I don’t have money anymore.

  • bambinoitaliano

    Remind me of a lesbian waitress who wrote anti gay remark on a receipt to benefit from crowd funding not too long ago.

  • Mark

    Sounds like both of them will have a new ‘house’ complete with a bunk, a toilet, and three meals a day. I guess at the end of the day, we’re not immune to Darwin awards either. And I had such high hopes…..

    • zhera

      Sorry, Mark. I’m afraid you’re all human, just like the rest of us. 🙂

      • Mark

        Ugh. I only wanted to be gay……

  • Scott Carpenter

    Sorry, I still reserve judgement. Maybe they did burn down their house, and maybe this was an example of a court getting it wrong. It could be either, and without knowing one way or the other, I don’t feel comfortable anywhere but on top of this fence.

    • Reality.Bites

      Actually it seems you’re the one leaping to judgement – you’re deciding there’s no evidence without even bothering to read the actual news story that’s two clicks away.

      http://www.knoxnews.com/news/watchful-eye/jury-rejects-hate-crime-claim-by-vonore-couple-in-house-fire-lawsuit_11706002

      In that lawsuit, the Stuttes alleged Millsaps “repeatedly threatened the lives of the Stuttes” and “specifically and repeatedly threatened to burn the Stuttes’ house.”

      The Stuttes claimed in the lawsuit that Millsaps, a month before the fire, said to them: “Do you know what is better than one dead queer? Two dead queers.”

      Millsaps denied any role in the fire and has not been charged despite extensive probes by the FBI, the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation and local arson investigators, according to Millsaps’ attorney, Lewis Kinnard.

      The Missouri-based insurer refused to pay the Stuttes’ fire claim and concluded after its own probe, which included a polygraph examination that Millsaps passed, the Stuttes were not fire victims but fire bugs.

      The jury heard five days of testimony before Senior U.S. District Judge Leon Jordan’s before returning its verdict.

      • I think that first paragraph just put me in a mind warp. That made *no* sense.

        O_o

  • Michael Rush

    there must have been good evidence that they did this themselves , but i can’t see it anywhere .

    • johncAtl

      The picture of the word queers painted on the garage looks suspicious to me. The spray painting is done too neatly. And it appears it was painted on the side of the garage that faced the house, where someone inside the house could have seen it being done.

  • Phil

    There’s bound to be a few bad apples in any bushel.

  • bryan

    Evidently the woman who said that she received an anti gay note on her front door complaining about rainbow-colored garden lamps in her yard, and then had a gofundme account set up.. was also a hoax. / Anyone that does this is aiding anti gay bigotry. Shameful.

  • WKT20

    So what they did was wrong. For every stupid thing any gay person does there are statistically speaking at least 95 straight people doing something just as despicable. I don’t understand what’s so “fucking infuriating” about this other than that the actions of two women in Hickville, TN are somehow supposed to represent the moral failings of all LGBT folks. I refuse to be shamed because Teabaggers have nothing better to present as evidence of why queer folks should be despised and relegated to second-class citizenship.

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Exactly!

    • pablo

      It’s worse than when straight people do it because the next time there’s a real hate crime, it won’t be believed.

      • WKT20

        If there’s anything worse about it, it’s that LGBT people are not thought of as individuals but as a demographic. The fault in that has nothing to do with gay people who do wrong, but in those who would lump all of us together, and use the worst examples to vilify us all.

        • zhera

          Your problem is that you’re using logic. Out there, in the big, scary jungle, people will refuse such logic.
          A minority group will always be characterized by its worst individuals because they are the most visible. And it gives the haters an excuse to hate.

          • Dreaming Vertebrate

            Sad, but plenty of evidence this is true.

          • Reality.Bites

            And there’s absolutely nothing we can do about it except remember that the haters already hate and don’t need an excuse.

  • Reality.Bites

    One could as easily claim they did it not because they’re lesbians, but because people from Tennessee are inherently dishonest. Or people with two first names (that one I’d actually buy).

  • gaymex

    Imagine how their accused neighbor must feel toward gays. These two lesbians need the book thrown at them. They hurt their neighbor and they hurt our struggle. Pieces of Shit.

    • Stev84

      He probably doesn’t feel insulted if it was so easy to believe that he did it. For him to be a credible attacker, he can’t have been too nice to them.

      • Reality.Bites

        Well apparently no one did believe it. The insurance company refused to pay.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Blaming the entire LGBT community for the despicable crime of these two bad apples, is just another illustration of the fallacy of association, a logical error beyond the comprehension of most of TeaBagistan.
    “An association fallacy is an inductive informal fallacy of the type hasty generalization or red herring which asserts that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another, merely by an irrelevant association.”

    • Kissmagrits

      Just run this one through the Fox News sausage factory and it’ll squeeze out the other end looking all
      “Fair and Balanced”. Or maybe O’Reilly can force this into his “War on Christmas” narrative.

  • rextrek1

    yeah, cause’ there has Never been any unscrupulous heterosexuals who try to RIP off the system? (end sarcasm)

  • Sam_Handwich

    what’s the prevailing consensus in teabagistan…..was the couple not getting enough dick?

  • Ninja0980

    These two have made it harder for real victims of hate crimes to come forward and given ammo to our enemies.
    I hope the book is thrown at them.

    • Reality.Bites

      It happened in 2010. If criminal charges were going to be filed, I imagine it would have been done long ago.

    • JT

      Assuming the decision is correct and they have done this, this is one case of misrepresentation, compared with the numerous real cases. Of course, the homophobes will try to deny that.

    • Kissmagrits

      Shades of Tawana Brawley and Rev. Sharpton. Didn’t slow him down much, though.

  • TJay229

    Now we’ll have real hate crimes get labeled as “frauds”, “conartist” and “liars” by the stupid actions of these bimbos & “sicko’s” from the folks that lump all gay men actions alongside pedophile Terry Bean.

    Can we just have a easy rest of the year, please.

  • JustSayin’

    As damaging as teahaters will try to paint this against us, it is actually more proof that lgbt people are exactly the same as straight people. Yep we have a bunch of fools, liars, and criminals…..they just happen to have more based on sheer population.

    The guilty women deserve any punishment they get if the police press arson charges. Though a jury trial about insurance requires a lower level of proof than a criminal trial does.

  • MonochromeMouse

    the interesting thing about these faked hate crimes is it’s almost always a gay conservative that’s responsible, but of course the conservative ‘news’ sites always leave that part out

  • Frank Dash

    I remember this case, and I also remember those of us who accused them of fraud. Gay people need to cast a skeptical eye on such claims, Often there are blatant red flags, but we choose to ignore them because it fits with our own take on reality.

  • KQCA

    Lump ’em with “anything for a buck…as long as I don’t have to get up early, roll up my sleeves, and sweat,” which makes them no different than a lot of horrible people found in all walks of life.

  • Dean

    This is why we can’t have nice things.

  • Kissmagrits

    Grifters come from all backgrounds.

    I worked for gay owners of an electronics repair agency in the middle ’70s. They cheated suppliers, customers and their own employees. Both died over twenty years ago – one of AIDS and the other, hazarding a guess now, probably choked on hubris.

  • Roy Biv

    Not to be inflammatory but are there instances of gay men doing this? I’m sure there is.

    It’s just that this story, the one with homophobic receipt a couple of years all seemed to include lesbians…=p

  • Merv99

    Besides this one, there was also the case of the young Utah man working in his family’s pizza shop who claimed there were multiple hate crimes directed at him, during which he was knocked out, was forced to drink bleach, had messages carved in his arms, and an attempt to burn his bedroom while he was in it. Joe wisely ignored it. The “victim” admitted a few weeks later that he faked everything. Even before his admission, the claims were so over the top that they seemed fishy, yet much of the gay press still reported it uncritically.

  • NancyP

    Be skeptical about your sources – the Daily Mail is a highly conservative newspaper, the town in Tennessee is undoubtedly like any other Bible Belt small town, plenty of people who hate gays, the insurance companies are trying to avoid paying out, and the civil courts (preponderance of evidence ie 51%, not beyond the shadow of a doubt, as in criminal court) are not necessarily going to be fair to LGBT people. Note that the couple has not been charged for a criminal offense – they could be charged for arson and fraud, but they haven’t been charged. You just know that any minority is likely to be charged if there is any useful evidence. So the evidence is pretty shaky. BOTTOM LINE: we don’t know whether this is a hate crime or a fraud.

    • Steven Leahy

      Good points

  • Blake Jordan

    Every time someone fakes being a victim, it makes more difficult for real victims to talk about / report it!

    F these two!!!

  • Ray Butlers

    It doesn’t really matter if it was a hoax. Politically, at least. They hate us anyway. It doesn’t matter whether we’re all good or not.

    Further, we don’t, as a group, have to “perform” or show that we’re worthy in order to get our rights. That’s why they are called rights, not privileges. Rights are not earned. They are inherent. Those who would use dishonest gays against all gays are awful people acting in bad faith. We certainly don’t revoke the rights of straight white men when one of them gets caught committing a crime.

  • David From Canada

    I read a true story of a straight woman who claimed her house had been badly vandalized. The insurance company sent a detective over to check it out. He saw, among other things, that ” Fuck Me” had been spray painted on the wall. He concluded that a male would have used “Fuck You”, and that she had written “Fuck Me” herself as well as all the other debris. The insurance company ruled that she had to pay for all the redecorating herself.

    • Steven Leahy

      DOH!

  • John T

    I think hate crimes laws should come with a “crying-wolf” clause: people who falsely report hate crimes should be punished as if they had committed a hate crime themselves. Every time someone cries wolf like this is diminishes the credibility of every other person who has actually been the victim of homophobic violence. It decreases the likelihood of these victims getting a thorough investigation and the perpetrators from being prosecuted and convicted.

    • Tor

      I doubt Tennessee has actual hate crime laws, but I agree with your premise.

  • TheManicMechanic

    Fraud knows no sexual orientation. Imagine that!

  • Ginger Snap

    There are awful people everywhere. The problem is the right thinks they are perfect because of “god.” Straights do this shit too for money.

    • Schlukitz

      Yes, but Gode “forgives them” because straights are his preferred and chosen people. LOL

  • i suppose this is actual “news.” for a change! usually any headline that begins “two lesbians…” turns my stomach, as normally that aspect of the story is not at all relevant. here, it is. so there’s that.

    but i can’t help but think, as i used to work in insurance, that the same media ignores the dozens, possibly hundreds of similar stories about straight couples doing the same thing across america daily. now, if that straight couple were black or latino, sure! then the headline would read “black people fake Klan attack for insurance money.”

    but white people who commit insurance fraud, white straight people? yeah, when was the last time you read about that.

    • Schlukitz

      Well, we gays are supposed to “take the high road”, “be better than that”, and “set an example”. *snort*

      Turns out, we are just human too, just like everyone else.

  • jakeinlove

    Reminds me of those 80’s Drug PSAs.

    “We learned it from watching you!” 😉

  • Schlukitz

    Are they “shameless” because they are lesbians or insurance frauds?

  • Bob Black

    Because no heterosexual has EVER committed insurance fraud…

  • Ogre Magi

    Faking hate crimes is one of the most rotten things someone can do

  • Gregory In Seattle

    If it had been a white, Christian and straight couple committing fraud by blaming a brown skinned Muslim couple three doors down, you know that these same TP commentators would be staunchly defending the arsonists and screeching about how the judicial system is smearing them.

  • Michael

    Besides the fact that this is despicable, you really don’t want to mess with insurance companies. They don’t play. I know, I worked for one.

  • TampaDink

    I’m so glad that this story has Teabagistan blowing up today, especially since the crime occurred almost 5 years ago.

    • Steven Leahy

      THANK you LOL I was trying to connect that too

      • TampaDink

        There aren’t enough breaking scandals that directly involve respected LGBT folks, so they dig up whatever dirt they can…no matter how far back or how deep into the dumpster they must dive.

  • JCF

    So you’re saying that LGBTs also have certified slimebags among ’em? Who knew?