Southern Baptists Turn On Ben Carson

Via the Washington Post:

Southern Baptists find themselves in the midst of another political controversy over the upcoming appearance — now canceled — of Ben Carson at their Pastors’ Conference. Carson is a celebrated neurosurgeon, conservative commentator and likely presidential candidate. A number of Baptist pastors, especially those affiliated with Baptist21, spoke out against Carson’s appearance. Their concerns were primarily that Carson, as a Seventh-Day Adventist, presumably holds doctrines that fit uneasily with evangelical theology. Carson has also made statements about Muslims, Jews and Christians all being “God’s children,” perhaps implying that there are multiple paths to God. Hosting Carson and other Republican candidates, the critics said, continues to convey the impression that the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) is “in bed with the Republican Party,” as Baptist21 put it. Leaders of the Pastors’ Conference “mutually agreed” with Carson that he would withdraw.

When Ben Carson isn’t fundie enough for the fundies…I don’t even know how to finish this sentence.

  • Boy Elvis

    Well, Carson is black, and the Southern Baptist Convention is…the Southern Baptist Convention. Sick as it is, this math makes perfect sense to me.

  • Blake Mason

    They just keep reinventing ways to say that a man is black.

  • “When Ben Carson isn’t fundie enough for the fundies…”

    They’d eat their own but they can’t stand the mutual bad taste they’d leave in each other’s mouths.

  • stuckinthewoods

    He dis-appeared. He was craptured.

  • Gustav2

    Not their particular brand of fundie. Seventh-Day Adventists are cray cray in a very different way.

    • ZhyKitty

      Yep. Southern Baptists do not consider 7th day-ers to be Christians (like they teach about Catholics). They taught us, growing up, that that was a cult, not Christianity, and that they all go to hell.

      • Doug105

        Part of the reason I think It never got a hold on my mind, the willful hate caused doubts even when I was very young.

        • SockMikey

          Not to mention being gay and having to be subjected to the verbal persecution nonsense growing up in a fundy environment.

          • Doug105

            Yes, but I started hating church long before I was that self-aware.

      • The same with Mormons. A little less so for some of the other denominations, but even then it depended on who was speaking. I was taught as a child that when the rapture came most churches would still be full the following Sunday morning.

        • Mark

          I s’pect they will all be full…..folks just sitting there waiting to fly away…..singing hymns…waiting…a couple more hymns…waiting….

        • Octoberfurst

          Fundie types are very particular about who is a Christian and who isn’t. When I was growing up fundie I was told that Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Seventh-Day Adventists and liberal protestants weren’t REAL Christians and were all destined to hell. It was so nice being part of an elite group that God favored. ~snark~

      • Chucktech

        God, how fucking tired. Every fucking body goes to hell.

        • Mark

          Wait till you’re 70 – then you will know for sure your body has already been through hell….and back again.

      • I just posted as to how Southern Baptists aren’t entitled to call themselves Christian, either!

        Back when I was in Catholic elementary school, we were taught that all Protestants were heretics.

        • MDB

          When did that change ???? (perhaps the harshness of the language/attitudes or actions against us Prosties, but not the official position of the Holy See.)

          • My elementary school experience started pre-Vatican II. Vatican II ushered in a relatively brief period of ecumenism, when the RCC acknowledged that Protestants have at least a part of “The Truth.”

            Sometimes, one still gets a bit of an ecumenical vibe from one RCC prelate or another, and sometimes they’ll still rant about having the sole monopoly on “Truth.”

            In my early teens, I even managed to seek out additional material to respond to anti-Catholic, including a book called The Question Box, and a series of WWII-era trade-size paperbacks called Radio Replies (written by Fathers Rumble and Carty, if I remember correctly) to help enable me to argue the “One True Faith” position better. It was enough for me to entrap poor Jehovah Witnesses for hours when they would come around on a hot Sunday with glasses of ice water and theological discussion.

            By my mid-teens I realized that the RCC actually did not have a monopoly on Truth. But I did manage 3 years in a seminary . . .

          • OMG – I just googled Radio Replies, and they’re actually online!


            and it seems like there is a 5th volume (I distinctly remember four in the set).

        • Yup, it was a mortal sin to even look at, let alone, enter, a protestant church because that was whoring after false gods. To admire it was to actually worship said false gods and you were instantly and irrevocably condemned to hell.

          Or so my fundamentalistically-Catholic mother informed me when I was studying architecture.

        • marshlc

          In my Catholic childhood – I was born in 57 – the attitude towards Protestants was sorta like the attitude toward your neighbour’s mentally challenged little brother – mildly contemptuous condescension.

      • SockMikey


        You’re absolutely correct.

        I remember specifically sermons from SBC’s that talked about Catholic Baptism was heathen because it was not immersion in water.

        And the praying to idols – Saints (Statues/Candles) being a big no-no.

        I happily rejected my SBC upbringing as total B.S. many years ago.

        • MDB

          Mikey, I’m happy you were able to safely? walk away from the craziness.
          I have often wondered if they have ever inserted their brains long enough to consider that nearly every branch of Christianity has practiced the non-swimming rites of baptism for over 2000 years (with a few exceptions where builders built fabulous ancient fonts in Europe) – and that the Anabaptists did not INVENT Baptism. They were radicals, got all uppity and changed the meaning of the damn word ! During the 16th-century Reformation in Europe, the Protestant Anabaptist, or Christian Brethren, movement flourished in Germany, Austria, the Netherlands and other countries. The basic belief of the Anabaptists was in adult baptism, but they also supported the separation of church and state and voluntary church membership.

          I’m not sure they would recognize the crazy fundamentalists of today as their spawn, but then again they were radicals, then and now !!!

      • Marides48

        Does that mean that a Baptist baker can refuse to bake a wedding cake for a Catholic couple?
        This can get way too confusing.

        • TrollopeReader

          The Southern Baptist wouldn’t …the Northern Baptist might?

    • MDB

      I’ve always wondered what was in the water in Battle Creek, Michigan with Ellen White, the Kellogg’s and that whole group of SDA founders. They were all, totally NUUTTZZZ !!

  • Clearly, Dr. Carson has no choice but to prove that he IS in fact crazy enough for that crowd.

    I expect he will be publicly condemning us to hell at any moment…

  • another_steve

    “…perhaps implying that there are multiple paths to God.”

    Oh no!!! Not “multiple paths”!!! Not that!!!

    It’s either my way or the highway, bud. 😉

    • Boy Elvis

      And it wasn’t that long ago when the SBC was telling us that heaven was segregated.

      • Back Door Play

        Not only that, but Blacks had to go into heaven through the service entrance.

        • another_steve

          I sometimes get my institutional religion mishegases mixed up — but wasn’t it the Mormons who had real issues with black people being clergy or getting to heaven or something?

          • hdtex

            They weren’t allowed to be ordained into the “priesthood” which every man/ boy above the age of 14 is expected to do. That is until 1978 when the “prophet” had a “revelation” that just happened to coincide with the IRS threatening to revoke their tax-exempt status.

          • another_steve

            “…that just happened to coincide with the IRS threatening to revoke their tax-exempt status.”


            The Lord works in strange and mysterious ways, surely.

          • Stev84

            They also wanted to expand into countries where their racism wouldn’t have been so popular.

          • Reality.Bites

            Nothing to do with the IRS and the church. Had to do with university sports and teams refusing to play against BYU and overseas evangelism.

            After all, EVERY church practices open discrimination against other religions. The IRS would have no cause whatsoever to revoke the tax exempt status of a church for racial discrimination when sexual and religious discrimination are inherent.

          • Oh Glurry!

            Why can’t it be both? (It was both.)

            Southern Baptists hate everybody: Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Blacks, Gays… name it, they hate it.

            If they can’t hate you, you ain’t been born yet.

          • Stev84

            They also have a severe hate for women.

    • Stev84

      The highway to hell

      • Todd20036

        Love that song by AC/DC

  • Sam_Handwich

    why are his eyes always shut?

    • David Walker

      He’s imagining all the guys naked.

      • MDB

        Can’t you just imagine – Carson being busted with some pretty blond rent boy ? (you know, just helping him with all of that campaign luggage.)

        • David Walker

          I’m betting he has LOTS of baggage, too.

    • Gene Perry

      His mind is closed so why not also his eyes …

    • MDB

      Have others noticed how MANY SDA’s require glasses, despite their so-called healthy diets ?? They may live longer because they aren’t permitted to touch their nasty bits, and don’t drink, only eat fruits, nuts and veggies, and do not take pharmaceuticals, but WTH kind of life is that anyway ???
      It is of little wonder Carson’s such an unhappy, fiesty, ornery ‘ole cuss. I mean even the good Lord ate his fish, made and drank wine, and had a physician on his staff of 12, and had a temper that he did not hide when he was angered beyond even his patience.

  • Welcome to TeaBagistan

    New TeaParty internet jargon shorthand: “tb/dl” (too black /didn’t listen)

  • justmeeeee

    If those baptists think they are the one’s getting into heaven, I will introduce them to Sister Mary Theresita who will set them straight!

    • What a Day of Rejoicing

      Nice Baptist ladies don’t consort with Catholic whores. (The men, yes.)

  • David From Canada

    He should return to Uncle Ben’s rice.

  • LovesIrony

    When Ben Carson isn’t fundie enough for the fundies, it’s funny

  • He is just not “fundamental” enough. White being the most fundamental requirement.

    • Stev84

      He certainly isn’t much fun, but I’d say he is mental enough

  • A Big Sarcastic Fairy!

    It’s fun to watch all the infighting. 🙂

    • Gustav2

      It is fun, because they don’t agree on shit, but are always saying, “Christians believe…”

      • Goodboy

        Except for the gay parts. They’ll even join with the Muslims over that. Enemy of my enemy and all.

      • They all speak as if their own narrow interpretations are the standard ones and everyone else is some sort of outlier. Even the use by the SBC of “Evangelicals” implies that there is more agreement among Evangelicals than there actually is.

  • bryan

    When Ben Carson isn’t fundie enough for the fundies, it’s time for a new reality show… ‘christian survivor’ : where two teams of christians fight for the prize of being crowned the ‘truest’ christian. Games include selling your matyrdom complex, washing a prostitutes feet, without getting turned on, and talking in tongues, whilst eating donuts.

    • Paula

      Guns! Guns must be involved in their contest. Last one standing is the winner type of thing.

    • Mark

      Oh. Oh. Oh! And the losers get nailed to a cross!!

      • MDB

        Upside-down and on a windswept gravel road outside of Laramie. If a Baptist white contestant loses to a black contestant, the white loser gets lynched in Lynchburg,VA, on the campus of Liberty University. (I’m open to other suggestions.)

      • D. J.

        Lion wrestling was eliminated?
        I always thought that for ‘Muricuns, they should use Cougars and Bobcats.
        The snake salvation folks don’t use Cobras and Mambas. They stick with ‘Murikun Rattlers and Copperheads.

  • BobSF_94117

    the impression that the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) is “in bed with the Republican Party,”

    Well, that’s just silly. It’s not in the bed, it’s strapped into a sling above the bed.

    In fairness, I should point out they do switch places from time to time.

    • And the lube of choice is Christco™. 110% pure and sanity free.

      • Mawm

        Stogiebear, you are on fire today.

  • kanehau

    “When Ben Carson isn’t fundie enough for the fundies…” It is time for the rapture.

  • LovesIrony

    janet porter and ben dine at the cactus nursery

    • Gustav2

      Besides the anti-gay, they can’t talk about anything.

  • BobSF_94117

    It’s it weird that the WashPo doesn’t clearly indicate that that’s an opinion piece and not a news article?

    (Or did I miss something?)

  • Todd20036

    Remember, they were quite forgiving with RMoney’s Mormonism. But then RMoney was white.

    • Blinded By the White

      It’s not so much that they were okay with Romney’s Mormonism. But paradoxically, they could look past Romney’s Mormonism more easily than they could look past Christian Obama’s blackness. In fact, they had to convince themselves, despite all evidence to the contrary, that Obama was secretly Mozzzzzlem.

      • Reality.Bites

        And I think they were only OK with it once no one was left

        • Chucktech

          They had no choice but to be “OK” with it. It was either him or the colored guy. Yeah, they muttered under their breath, “we’re ok with it…”

    • RJ Tremor

      There was a bit of questioning, in this house with my parents, and the radio programs that tended to be listened to here.

    • Geary

      No, the SBC believes that Mormons are going to hell, along with most Catholics, most Eastern Orthodox Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, athiests and anyone else that doesn’t parrot the empty GOP political rhetoric that the SBC calls religion.

      How anyone in this day and age that wasn’t born into the SBC cult would want to join it is beyond me. I grew up in it and even as a kid I didn’t find it believable.

      The only true believers I know of in my family today are those who are older and have suffered deaths and losses that make them want to believe in a heaven where they will be able to see their loved ones.

      • MDB

        Aw hell, they also include we pagan Episcopalians, the apostate Presb-y-terians (especially ‘cuz of the PC-USA’s new acceptance of M.E.) The Methodists will soon be permanently added to the SBC’s hate list where they can keep company with us and with the ELCA, UCC, etc., etc. It must be exhausting for them – keeping track of everyone they hate !!!!!

        • Hell, they even hate the other SBCs on every fucking street corner down here in Dallas. 7-11 doesn’t stand a chance of opening any new franchises because of the infestations of 17th Baptist God-in-the-Box.

  • Wow. They eat their own. Well, they chew them up and spit them out.

    This is the first time I’ve known a Southern Baptist not to swallow.

    • Todd20036

      To be fair, so do we, but we usually just eat one or two parts of the body, and many of us swallow.

      Just saying.

      • Larry Ft Pierce

        Little birdies?

    • Mawm

      Good correction. Eating implies there is some nutritional value to process however small.

  • Merv99

    Southern Baptists and Seventh Day Adventist… I forget, which are the Shiites and which are the Sunnis?

    • Veylon

      The Southern Baptists are the Salafists and the Seventh Day Adventists are the Sufis.

  • SFBruce

    One thing those outside evangelical Protestantism may not realize is there are a lot of sects who believe in a “literal” reading of the Bible. Now it sounds like that would settle a lot of controversy, but it doesn’t simply because there are many, many different and conflicting ideas about that that “literal” meaning is. So if you stray from the conviction of one particular sect, in this case Southern Baptists, you’re apostate, and therefore, either not a true Christian, or, at best, one who’s seriously misguided.

    • Mawm

      I came up with a logic problem for fundamentalists years ago. It involves the fact that one word can have multiple meanings which are both valid. Take for instance, “stoning.” Stoning can mean to throw rocks at a person until they die, but it can also mean getting someone high.
      Why can’t I use the latter meaning when I read the bible? Both meanings are valid. If a person says, “No, you must use the first.”, doesn’t that imply that they “interpreted” the meaning for themselves? Isn’t that against the rules?

      • Getting high, as in being lifted up, as in being crucified?

    • It’s not simply a matter of interpretation (and of faulty translation) — the Bible contradicts itself all over the place.

  • TreGibbs

    Well according to Ben’s own logic, he is only 3/5th’s of a person.

  • Cyril

    I keep waiting for a GOP candidate that stays clear of religion and other social issues – oh wait that would make him a democrat!

    • Mawm

      No, that would make them a Log Cabin Republican.

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    “Carson has also made statements about Muslims, Jews and Christians all being “God’s children,” perhaps implying that there are multiple paths to God.”

    Yeah, because that is exactly what that means. It doesn’t mean the obvious; that people were created by god and if true would thus be “god’s children.”

    • Goodboy

      No those other godless heathens are from satan I tell ya!

  • 2patricius2

    As others have already pointed out: Ben Carson is black. The Southern Baptist Convention was initially formed as a racist group. Sounds like he is considered by them to be “too inclusive.” The SBC’s god is not inclusive.

    • Once An Accident….

      In addition to “Traditional Marriage”, the SBC also supports “Traditional Racism” it would seem.

      • Stev84

        The SBC was founded solely to continue defending slavery after the Baptists became abolitionist. Later they defended segregation. They are racists through and through.

  • KnownDonorDad

    Southern Baptists turning on a black man? No! That just can’t be true!

  • Justin

    This kind of thing always reminds me of an old Emo Williams schtick

  • Ninja0980

    This will be just the first of many to turn on him.
    His usefulness as the black man who called out Obama is coming to an end.

  • Cyril

    Those finicky baptist… have to learn which groups to hate in the correct order.

  • RJ Tremor

    Bolded area is, for all intents and purposes, THEIR propaganda speaking, seeing as ALL are God’s children, saved or otherwise. They’re just twisting things in a way to make him look bad in a way that seems legit for their sheep, rather than all the legit ways he’s bad that we already know of.

  • Mike in Texas

    How long until they start killing each other off in the name of “deeply held religious belief”?

    • JW Swift

      …and then we’d differ from the Middle East, how, exactly?

      • Reality.Bites

        Way easier to get a good bacon cheeseburger.

        • JW Swift

          And off in the distance is the faint but distinct sound of a “rim shot.”

          • Reality.Bites

            I confess I was rather proud of that one although in retrospect it was rather sitcommy.

          • JW Swift

            I rather liked it, actually.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      I hope they start with each other first, before turning their homicidal attentions to us.

  • Octavio

    I’m so confused! Back in grad school (U.T., Austin) we folklore students would go to a different christain church every Sunday to enjoy the music. The Black Baptists and the weird “out there” black evangelical churches always has the best choirs. I liked the fervor with which those choirs wailed gospel music. Regardless of my no faith in the baby jeebus, I always left those Sunday gatherings feeling happy. Obviously, times have changed. 🙁

  • The sissies have won!

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Those virulent babtistnazis are bullying Ben Carson!
    Quick! Set up a GoFundMe page!!
    Lawd have mercy on this poor persecuted Christian.

  • TampaZeke

    Yet the Southern Baptists don’t mind sucking the dick of the Angel Moroni while they’re marching arm in arm with the Mormons against all things gay.

    • MDB

      Arm-in-arm with Morons on one side, and their (temporary) Catlick’ (friends) on the other, just as long as it’s us eevill gehs they’re pissed off at.

  • Paula

    They are eating their own kind. This is getting good!

    • D. J.

      I wish they would eat faster.

  • LonelyLiberal

    Of course. Black. And not that high yeller black that they can pretend to tolerate, this guy is really, really black.

    If it weren’t this, it would be something else.

  • franklinb23
  • Queequeg

    I love it when they turn on each other. More vicious than “Game of Thrones”.

    • Mawm

      I’m waiting for the head crushing scene.

  • Cuberly


    • William

      Brand wars.

  • anne marie in philly


  • Richard Rush

    I’m tempted to say it’s fun to watch religious believers arguing over whose ‘absolute truth’ is true, but the reality is that for thousands of years such arguing has frequently led to violence, including killing.

  • MikeBx2

    So. Baptists said almost exactly the same about Mormonism until it was a choice between the black man with the Muslim sounding name and a white LDS rich guy. Then suddenly Jesus loved him some Mormons. Infighting is funny, indeed.

  • geoffalnutt

    It may be that he’s a Fundie while being black. Yes?

  • Herald

    They are concerned about this?

    Hosting Carson and other Republican
    candidates, the critics said, continues to convey the impression that
    the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) is “in bed with the Republican

    That is a fore gone fact, especailly if the Republican is white then they can even tolerate Mormons and Catholics, as in Romney and Santorum.

  • Macbill

    It’s the Brand of Batshit-Crazy that is important.

    “To cross the streams would be bad.”

  • HZ81

    This crazy bitch can’t even keep the crazies interested, and I bet they’re completely unaware that Ben’s business manager is a closet case.

  • TheManicMechanic

    The problem here is Jesus comes in too many flavors. Some people like seven day adventures, some are batpissed. An adult would say they will take away all of it until you children can behave.

    • Mark

      But, Jeebus still don’t come in black. Maybe brown. Better white…but absolutely not black. No way….

  • Mark

    I really like that “one path” hooey. Of course, the one path is the path THEY’re on! Everybody else took a wrong turn back at that 30 points intersection.

    However, usually those SB are in a constant state of denial.

    “No! I don’t go to casinos! You didn’t see me. I didn’t see you. We were never here.”

    You just gotta count them little fishies on the cars in the parking garage…

    • William

      Yep, they are on the path.

  • grada3784

    Hosting Carson and other Republican candidates, the critics said, continues to convey the impression that the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) is “in bed with the Republican Party,” as Baptist21 put it.

    Almost, Baptist 21. Hosting Carson and other Republican candidates conveys the impression that the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) is “ a group of whores serving the Republican Party”. I just wonder if there is a grouping of seven hills near their headquarters.

    My apologies to hard working sex workers.

    • Reality.Bites

      I thought the Republican Party was a group of whores serving the Southern Baptist Convention

  • If we define “Christian” as meaning “adhering to the Nicene Creed as adopted in 325 CE” – then Southern Baptists are not Christian. The following is from an official Southern Baptist source:

    In some groups, statements of belief have the same authority as Scripture. We call this creedalism. Baptists also make statements of belief, but all of them are revisable in light of Scripture. The Bible is the final word.

    Because of this distinction, we are generally more comfortable with the word “confession.” Still, we are “creedal” in the sense that we believe certain things, express those beliefs and order our institutions accordingly. There have always been Baptist limits. And within these limits, there have always been Baptist preferences.

    Now, as a recovering Roman Catholic and current U/U, I’ve never been strictly Christian, either. First, the RCC changed the Nicene Creed by adding the Filioque and thus left the Orthodox churches as the last Christian bastion while abandoning Christianity for a heretical view as to the nature of God (something that even mainline Protestant churches also fail at). And then, as a U/U, I’m not “creedal” at all, and kind of “post-Christian.”

    Real Christianity (in accordance with my Humpty-Dumpty-ish definition of it, of course, which it the only acceptable definition) in the U.S. is only among the small minority of Orthodox Christians. On the other hand, does it really matter?

    • The Orthodox in America don’t exactly have a good track record as far as gay rights are concerned.

      • You are certainly right about that! But my purely arbitrary definition of “Christian” is based on the uniformity of theology that was desired by the Emperor Constantine when he took the warring factions of bishops and sat them down in Nicaea to hammer things out – and the result was hotly contested, as many of the bishops preferred a different sort of treatment of Jesus than the resulting Orthodoxy.

        It’s not a suggestion that any form of Christianity is a good thing, or that any kind pf “Christian” is Christian in the sense of “following the teachings of Jesus.”

        (And for that matter, even trying to discern possiblegenuine teachings from afterthoughts in which words were put into Yeshua’s mouth is a matter for theological disagreement.)

        • Nuff Said

          I thought the Baptists traced their sect back to John the Baptist. Not that I ever gave any weight to the argument.

          (Seriously, a baptist told me this long, long ago. It was their argument against the historicity of the Catholic and Orthodox sects.)

  • William

    We knew this would happen, just not the hour or the day.

  • BlueberriesForMe

    Caption this picture:

    Me : Ben, I’m thinking of a number between 1 and 4.
    Ben: I know it. I know! 18!
    Me : (sigh)


  • zhera

    You’re just not christian enough for them, Ben! Tough shit.

  • TrollopeReader

    Hmmm, I thought the SBC was being a bit more “open” with new leadership, up-to-date (ie early 20th c) views, and the like. My bad.

  • Geary

    Hah! He’s as hell-bound as the rest of us according to the Southern Baptist Convention.

  • TrollopeReader

    Somewhat off (but mostly on) topic …also via TPM Livewire: “Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) was criticized by Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) and South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley (R) for “hiding behind Jesus to expand Medicaid” according to a report in The Atlantic.

    The two Republican governors confronted Kasich at a donor forum hosted by the Koch brothers in Palm Springs.”

    See, if you use Jesus to actually, um, help people, Republicans will begin to eat other Republicans.

    • IamM

      Two first generation Indian-Americans telling the white guy, from their own political party, that he’s not Republican enough to be a ‘real American Christian’.

  • Secure

    Southern Baptists: everyone on this planet is going to burn in hell….except for us!

  • Ben in Oakland

    Oh, joe, this sentence is so easy to finish.

    When Ben Carson isn’t fundamentalist enough for the fundamentalists, it’s because he takes the fun out of both fundamentalism, leaving just da mentalism, and he takes the fun out of the fundament.

    Look it up.

  • Michael

    Could skin color have anything to do with a “church” which once openly supported slavery and segregation not wanting militant anti-gay activist Carson to speak?

  • ian

    Well, if there are any speakers who do not meet their doctrinaire standards, or if the crowd and speakers looks like an aryan meetup, I’ll assume he was really given the boot because of his race.

  • Marides48

    When the USA becomes a “Christian” nation, will all the different denominations of that religion, fight among themselves to decide which of them will prevail?

    • Of course.

    • Reality.Bites

      Not saying yes and not saying no. Just saying I’ve invested a lot in popcorn commodity futures.

  • Jude Newton

    SBC being in bed with the Republican Party is an abomination.
    Zeus 14:2.5

  • JCF

    Seventh-Day Adventists don’t eat meat. Considering THE Southern Baptist sacrament is probably barbeque, there were always going to be problems w/ Carson!

  • David

    Wingnut cannibalism is fun to watch – and even more enjoyable to laugh at.

  • Jim

    I’ve always thought that the fundies hate themselves more than they hate us. We’re a diversion from their internecine jihad. With the demise of the anti-gay movement upon us, these sewer rats will go back to chewing on each other.

  • Homo Erectus

    A number of Baptist pastors, especially those affiliated with Baptist21, spoke out against Carson’s appearance – “uh, he appears to be black”.

    • That’s only half a joke: churches are the last real bastion of absolute segregation in the USA because no external authority is allowed to meddle with their prejudices or constitution.

  • 2guysnamedjoe

    Infighting is funny, but the collateral damage can be ugly.

  • EscherEnigma

    So every time a speaker gets dis-invited to a school, there’s a whole hubub about oppression and censorship and freedom of speech. I expect to hear hubub over Carson being dis-invited shortly.