OOPS: Breitbart Readership Plummets By 50%

Politico reports:

Breitbart, the alt-right news site whose executive chairman Steve Bannon was pushed out in January after feuding with President Donald Trump, has lost about half its readership according to comScore, raising questions about its future. The site dropped from 15 million unique visitors in October, per comScore, to 13.7 million in November, 9.9 million in December, 8.5 million in January and 7.8 million in February.

Its comScore figure for January was down 51 percent from the same month a year earlier, and the February number was down 49 percent from 2017. Last month was the site’s least trafficked since February 2015, four months before Donald Trump declared his candidacy for president.

There are several potential causes for Breitbart’s troubles, including changes to Facebook’s newsfeed algorithm, amped up investment in digital by Fox News, and the shifting status of Bannon. Breitbart’s decline in traffic comes at the same time that its advertising base has been decimated by a boycott campaign. Its number of direct advertisers has been slashed from around 250 at the beginning of 2017 to just 17 now, according to the advertising consulting firm, MediaRadar.

  • Gustav2

    I blame Milo’s leaving. /s

    • Wisterley

      With Milo gone the gays won’t be checking it out any more. Which is a pity because the Mercers really like the gays because they’re such first adopters. Well, Rebekah likes the gays, Robert thinks they’re gross.

      • Gustav2

        And they lost a number of Milo’s fanboys, who were, like, totally str8.

        • Bambino

          After one beer or 2 beer straight?

          • Gustav2

            Only one beer is necessary if you wear the correct uniform. * wink wink*

          • pj

            straight to the gay bar

          • Bambino

            Nah, these str8 guys will only do it with guys when they pretend to be drunk or asleep without the lights on or making up excuses of wives/girl friends were out of town.

        • Wisterley

          Totally. Because what str8 man doesn’t like tips on hair-bleaching and accessorizing with pearls?

          • Reality.Bites

            Marcus Bachmann.

            Already has all he needs.

      • Nowhereman

        I really hope that the Mercers are brought down to earth.

        • Wisterley

          And that Rebekah can find a stylist to help with her forehead.

    • Bambino

      I’m sure he already claimed that in his speech in some location that he was not invited.

  • Joe in PA

    So will Bannon start crowing about this?

    • SkokieGuy- Helen Wheels

      Intentional? Find ways to reduce traffic (such as ordering a halt to the bots, assuming that they pump up traffic), devalue the site and then Bannon (or Trump minions) buy it outright for fire-sale prices?

  • SkokieGuy- Helen Wheels

    What about the bots in the comments? Doesn’t that register as a click on the website and count as a viewer?

    • Tulle Christensen

      That was my guess, that the Russian bots are on Spring Break

      • Bambino

        The Russian bots are overwhelm by Google spams.

    • Reality.Bites

      I don’t know – I suppose Joe would, what with the Google-bots with the car obsession.

  • Lizard
  • gaycuckhubby

    I’m assuming Bannon joining Trump and then Trump firing Bannon and distancing himself from Bannon created a rift. let’s hope that carries onto the entire GOP

  • blackstar

    I bet they did Nazi that.

  • Bluto
  • TJ

    It would probably be even lower, but people love to point and laugh.

  • PickyPecker
  • I remember when I was a small child, maybe age 5 or so, I saw a copy of Life magazine on the coffee table. It was about the Governor of some state (I think Arkansas) chaining himself to the front door of a school to prevent a little Black girl from going there. There was a mob of angry white folks, with signs shouting at the child, and she was being escorted by US Marshalls. The lips of these protestors were curled back to spit out their sins onto the child, who was only a little older than me at the time. Their eyes were wild with rage, they appeared demonic to me.

    I was kind of shocked. I asked my mom what this was, what was happening. She tried to explain things to me on an intellectual level, history of the Civil War and all of that. I asked her if those pictures were taken during the Civil War. She said, “No honey, that was only a few years before you were born.”

    I was shocked. I still am shocked. I don’t think I’ve ever fully reconciled that.

    Someday, a small child will read about the times we live in today and ask his mother the same kinds of questions I asked mine that day. None of this will make any more sense then than what I saw in that magazine made sense to me at the time.

    Some days I just wish I could take a shower and wash the sins of my country off my soul.

    • Salton

      I think you mean George Wallace, governor of Alabama.

      • Jon Doh

        The other Arkansas.

        • Tulle Christensen

          I always thought Arkansas was the other Alabama

          • Jon Doh

            Tomato tomahto

      • Craig Howell

        Faubus did it first, in ’57. Wallace did it later, in ’62, I believe, after getting elected governor with a promise that he would never be “out-segged” again.

      • That seems right, by the time frame.

    • Mark McGovern
      • kareemachan

        “All I want for Christmas is a clean white school”?!”

        Holy effing merde….

      • That and other images like it were the stuff of my childhood nightmares

      • teeveedub

        Anytime someone uses the phrase “states rights,” we should remember what it has been used to attempt to justify in the past and, similarly, we should be suspicious of what it is being used to justify in the present.

    • ChrisMorley

      Orval Eugene Faubus, (Dixie Dem), governor of Arkansas, at Little Rock Central High School, 1957.

      https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/central-high-school-integrated

      It was also shocking to watch on British TV news, cinema newsreels and see in our papers.

      Those were the days when it was film cameras and the footage was rushed to the airport for transatlantic shipping.

      • BobSF_94117

        His parents must have been fans of Dickens.

      • ChrisMorley

        He defied a unanimous decision of the U.S. Supreme Court made in the 1954 case Brown v. Board of Education.
        https://alchetron.com/Orval-Faubus
        http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/governor-orval-faubus-d-appears-on-tv-everett.jpg

      • Nowhereman

        I grew up partially in the Bush in Alaska in the 50s. We got the newsreels at the movie theater along with the double feature and the cartoons. I remember when we got cable TV in the downtown area–my mom would take me over to her sister’s house where we children could cluster around the little black and white set and watch the Mickey Mouse Club. It was a big deal! At home we had AM radio and all the serials–Johnny Dollar, The Lone Ranger and all.

        • ZRAinSWVA

          I remember those days…we got two TV stations, three if you ventured outside and turned the antenna just right…

    • ColdCountry

      It never makes sense to young children, because young children haven’t been taught to hate, yet. No one is born hating.

      • Unbordered American

        No but we are born with a natural instinct to fear and fear is what leads to hatred.

        • ColdCountry

          And instinct to fear what we perceive as a threat, but also with the curiosity, in most cases, to find out what new and different things are. I think that’s where the teaching and parenting come in. If a child’s curiosity is squelched, then they are more likely to fear what they don’t understand.

      • Nowhereman

        Exactly. It’s like that song from South Pacific, “Carefully Taught”.

      • Robincho

        “You have to be carefully taught.” — Oscar Hammerstein, South Pacific

    • Nowhereman

      I grew up during the Civil Rights Era and the Vietnam war. It really left a mark and made me who I am today. I’ve never been able to understand how people can hate others just for the way they are born, whether based on race, sex or sexuality.

      • Its hard for me to imagine how anyone who was shaped during that time can be left unmarked by it.

    • Salton

      Since I emigrated from France to the Washington, D.C., area in 1969, I was only aware of George Wallace and didn’t realize that Orval Faubus of Arkansas had done the same thing before him.

      • Racism is the Original Sin of the United States. Our tendency is to repeat it, unconsciously, throughout history.

    • bearLvrFL

      Related to this is a realization I made while watching “Bowling for Columbine,” which contains a cartoon in the middle of the film that makes a very compelling argument that Americans are and always have been a fearful people. Until then, I thought we were many questionable things, but I hadn’t realized how so much of our politics, policy, conventional wisdom, and even our entertainment is based in fear. When we stoke our own fear, we look for a scapegoat, and then we react violently. We rationalize, then, that we are “protecting ourselves” as we savage others. We’ve done it again and again and again throughout our history.

  • BeaverTales

    50% of Breitbart readers will be in denial, no matter what….

    • Tulle Christensen

      Why are they swimming in a river in Egypt?

      • Karl Dubhe

        To feed the crocodiles and the hippos.

    • evanedwards

      The other 50% will deny they are in denial.

    • Bambino

      They are “Stormy” their feet in “Daniels”. I.E. too busy fapping to the porn star and neglected their rightful duty to visit.

  • Blake Jordan

    Russian trolls/bots busy elsewhere?

  • Chris H.

    And who are the 17 advertisers that are still left on that cesspool? Jim Baker’s Slop bucket type ads I assume.

    Edit: Just browsed over to Breitbart (in a private brower window of course) and I saw an ad for Judicial Watch calling an end to illegal immigration and AMAC, a right wing version of AARP.

  • blackstar
    • Clive Johnson

      ‘But breitbart keeps tellin’ me ’bout these illegals causin’ crime! Fake news from the liberal media!’

    • Todd20036

      Thy all have dead/crazy eyes. I’m not certain of the existence of souls, but if they do exist, I sure as hell see them there.

    • Kruhn

      Yeah. They’re murderers, Rapists, Drug Dealers. And yeah! Some might be good people. Of course they all get mulligans because they’re of the approved skin color.

  • Cipher

    Who are the 17 direct advertisers?

    • Chris H.

      I just went over there and a few of the ads I got was one for Judicial Watch calling for an end to illegal immigration and another one for AMAC. Looks like some right wing version of AARP.

      • Cipher

        Thanks for doing the dirty research. Purell for your mouse hand now?

      • saucetin

        Yikes. i read that as “Judicidal Watch.” Shivery.

  • ccc

    %50 – 1 since one of it fellow white terrorists just blew himself up in Austin.

  • Rex

    Thoughts and prayers, Steve, thoughts and prayers.

  • safari
    • Tulle Christensen

      Ready. Set. Go may the googling begin

      • Gustav2

        With pics of him in a mosque, BBQing small children. etc.

    • safari
      • Cipher

        “home-schooled growing up”. Mmmm-hmmmm.

        • Gustav2

          That is the first indication of being raised as a terrorist.

      • Gustav2

        “but he’s thinking of taking some time to figure out what he wants to do….maybe a mission trip.”

      • Tulle Christensen

        Pflugerville? There is a town in the US spelled Pflugerville, who knew

        • Joe in PA

          You’ve obviously never been to Pennsylvania.

          • Tulle Christensen

            I drove through Philly once on the way from DC to NYC. but yes that would have been it

          • Chris H.

            I still giggle when I drive by a sign with Intercourse on it. Of course we have a town called Buttzville.

          • clay

            Intercourse, Blue Ball, Bear Town, and King of Prussia are all within a day-trip route.

          • Joe in PA

            Bird in Hand is my favorite…also close by.

          • kiprian

            Southern NY has Sodom Crossroads

          • Craig Howell

            And there’s a just plain Sodom in PA, or at least there used to be. The only vestige is the historic Sodom Schoolhouse, which I have visited.

          • medaka

            I remember places where everyone seemed to be named Stotlzfus.

          • Joe in PA

            True.

          • kareemachan

            I’ve been to Intercourse, PA….

          • KeiFFer

            But I’ve never been to me?

          • yes b’y
        • clay

          There are a lot of German-Americans in central Texas.

          • BobSF_94117

            German place names were once very, very common all across the country. In a lot of places, they were changed on account of WWII.

            [edit] A lot better than getting rounded up and sent to internment camps [/edit]

      • johncAtl

        Hmmm — home schooled.

  • Talisman

    Like Scalia, Breitbart is still dead.

  • Wonder how many of those ‘unique’ visits were Russians.

    • GayOldLady

      I wonder how many of those ‘unique’ visits weren’t Russians.

      • Nowhereman

        I can’t remember if it was Facebook or Twitter, but the Trumpsters were whining when the bots got flushed out and the Trumpsters woke up to find that they had lost most of their “followers”. Cracked me up. Most telling, they complained about losing thousands of followers, but declined to say how many they had left.

        • GayOldLady

          It was Twitter if I remember correctly. I wondered at the time why they would want bots as followers. Apparently all they care about are the numbers, even if they’re not real people.

  • Jon Doh

    They weren’t reading it anyway, just looking at the pictures.

  • Friday’s_cat

    Hateful bigots taking their custom elsewhere?

    • M Jackson

      I would actually think they’re headed to more extreme sites.

  • Joe in PA

    O/T…six inches so far…and the heavy stuff is supposed to start around noon. Oy.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ffe92162bb77eb86e0dc482019985844061677f52405d43df4ca33a2463226c1.jpg

    • safari

      I hope you have something warm to cuddle with.

      • Joe in PA
        • GayOldLady

          He has it made, no need to mess that up for your comfort.

          • Joe in PA

            Indeed, he is a cat after all. 🙂 Did you notice one foot hanging out…trying to stay cool or something. 🙂 Rotten cat. 🙂

          • GayOldLady

            Yep…..love that foot out hanging out. He might give you some attention later on or he may not, depends on what he needs from you. I have 2 cats and they’re both rotten, but I love em’

          • Joe in PA

            How are you two doing with your loss? I hope I didn’t bring up a tough topic…but I’ve been thinking of you. This may sound strange, but try to enjoy your time w/o the little one. It has to be a relief for her ordeal to be over. Ugh, I’m terrible at this. 🙁 I mean well. 😉

          • kareemachan

            It is HARD to comfort sometimes. I’ve been on the giving and receiving end of it, and both are effing hard. Most people know you mean well.

          • GayOldLady

            Thanks for thinking of us. We’re doing ok and we are adjusting to life after Bella. It will be 2 weeks Thursday and the first week was very difficult and sad, although we were distracted by visiting our daughter in Lexington and getting to see and spend time with her dogs. Every day it gets better and it is a relief for it to be over. As you know Bella was sick for quite a while. She had congestive heart failure and she was on 3 meds, twice a day to treat that condition for nearly 3 years. When the episodes began that eventual led to us putting her to sleep they appeared to be seizures, we tried everything we could to treat the condition. We tried anti-seizure meds, flexiril and even Neurontin. She’d seem better for a few days then she’d have another more terrible episode until the last episode, which was unbearable to watch and was terrifying for her, pushed us to make the decision to put her to sleep. The vet encouraged our decision because he knew we had tried everything. She was losing weight and was down to 4.5 lbs, which is tough on mini breed whose maximum weight was never more than 6.5lbs. She was totally incapacitated at the end, but it was still heartbreaking having to say goodbye. Still, knowing that she won’t suffer any more is comforting. The Vet believed she had a brain tumor, but he advised against scans because we’d have to put her to sleep to accomplish it and there was nothing to gain because she was too old and weak for any sort of surgery. I’m at peace with our decision and Darlin and I are looking forward to our Florida trip knowing that even though our co-pilot won’t be with us in body she will always be with us in spirit.

          • teeveedub

            ❤❤❤

          • Joe in PA

            Damn onions.

          • ZRAinSWVA

            Difficult decision, I know. {{{hugs}}} from someone who shares your pain.

          • GayOldLady

            Thank you ZRA

          • yes b’y
          • GayOldLady

            Thank you

          • JCF

            {{{GOL}}}

          • GayOldLady

            Thanks JCF

          • Gustav2

            As if that was ever a consideration.

        • johncAtl

          Turn the heater off. He’ll come looking for you soon enough.

    • Bj Lincoln

      It just started here so not much yet. Lots of ice from yesterday though.

    • Friday’s_cat

      PA 441 disaster yesterday at Chiques Hill. Ambulance responding to wreck stranded at top because one big ice slide to bottom.

    • Gustav2

      We didn’t get enough or it wasn’t cold long enough for the few inches to accumulate on the streets or sidewalks,

    • Snarkaholic

      Only rain here in A.C. so far…even though the forecast says snow from now until 11 pm. If the temperature holds at the current 37F., we might escape most of it.
      May your fridge be full and your snow shovel remain dusty.

    • ColdCountry

      What a pretty yard! LOVE the barn. Ours is supposed to start tonight, and they’re only predicting up to four inches. And we know how accurate they can be. Of course, we still have about eight inches left from the last two storms, so…. Oh, well. Someday!

      • Joe in PA

        Thank you. The building you see is actually a wagon shed. The barn is across the street and not visible. We don’t have a “wagon” so the building is used for our car. 🙂 And right now the lower part is full of snow! We don’t have doors yet and the snow blows in like crazy. Oh well. And yes, someday! Hang in there.

        • kareemachan

          I know about “some day”… 😉

        • ColdCountry

          I love the old houses and farm buildings, but they sure take a lot of upkeep. I had to spend more fixing my barn last year than my mother spent buying the buildings and 30 acres in ’75. It just breaks my heart to see all the old barns, and some houses, in the area falling to bits.

    • Anastasia Beaverhousen

      Hey, call us when you are at 3 or 4 feet and all of us in Upstate NY will send over a shovel.

    • Marc: The Social Gadfly

      Whew! Where’s the Trigger warning label? For a nanaosecond I was transported back to rural Indiana County, PA! 😱

    • Prost Seattle

      Breathe deep, I know you can take six inches.

    • KeiFFer

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8a15bcea0892bfe8ea71358634b523bdd8946184087874d8e49b0e91477b74e4.png

      Similarly here at 11 AM but then we’re practically neighbors I’ve deduced.

      The left side of this triptych is taken through the screen from an upstairs bathroom overlooking the upper deck out to the back yard so don’t adjust your TVs. In the middle you can get an idea of the quantity so far from the heap on the table on the lower deck. On the right as you peer out the dining room doors to the side of the property you can see some snowflakes contrasting with the large tree; it belies the quantity of snowfall we’re currently experiencing.

    • Harley

      See? No global warming here. Move along. /s

    • yes b’y

      Nice spot you have there Joe.

    • prixator

      Are you on a hill, or have I had too much to drink? (Gorgeous property, though!)

      • Joe in PA

        LOL…yea we are on a hill. Almost the entire property 50 acres is on a hill. 🙁 The good news is that we never have rain buildup.

  • Bj Lincoln

    Awwwwww What a damn shame.

  • blackstar
    • Joe in PA

      Not sure how this is news…isn’t that what they were hired to do?

  • Tor

    And who are the 17 remaining advertisers?

    • Friday’s_cat

      Pointy Hoods R Us?
      Burning Cross Supply Co?
      Tiki Torches LTD?

      • Boreal

        ACME Penile Enhancement.

      • Michael R

        SiliconWives.com

    • TheSeer

      Hobby Lobby?

      • Tor

        Probbylobby.

  • John

    That’s what happens when the Russian troll farms lose interest in you. I’m sure Breitbart will find some new Russian “friends” in time for the mid-terms.

  • John Davenport
  • Clive Johnson

    Huh, maybe this means there’s a limit to the commercial efficacy of hyping up imaginary grievances and phantasmal threats from people different than you.

  • Ray Page

    Breitbart fans can read? Who knew?

    • Tulle Christensen

      They use google translate to translate the site to Russian

  • Devon Rodriguez

    Breitbart, Daily Caller, Fox News and Drudge Report are the sewer of the media where rats go to convene and mate…

    • kareemachan

      Once in a while I visit Mediaite out of curiosity. Weirdest mix of liberals, repugs, and a lotta trollettes there.

      Yeah, I know it’s wrong to troll the trollettes, but sometimes I just gotta….

    • Snarkaholic

      …and covfefe and hate…

  • John Davenport

    They’re FASCISTS, you know, Politico, like the white supremacists you refuse to call out (that you call “nationalists”), that you cover up for and refuse to expose as the RACISTS they are, racists whose mendacious, irrational, and hateful views are profoundly undemocratic, Politico! You aren’t “fair and impartial”! Covering up the ugly truth for liars and fanatics is a profoundly BIASED act, you snivelling, complicit SCOUNDRELS!

  • Bambino

    Could those numbers be boosted by auto bots all the while like google spams attached themselves to real visitors?

  • Boreal
    • Michael R

      still dead ?

      • Boreal

        As dead as Francisco Franco.

      • John Davenport

        Like Franco!

  • blackstar
  • anne marie in philly

    bwhahahahahahaha! LOSERS! terrorist organization!

  • Michael R
    • Leo

      Hmm. Don’t know if I’m allowed to say that he looks…normal.

      Normal is subjective I guess.

      • johncAtl

        He was home schooled. There’s no way he was normal.

        • Now, now… I’ve met secular home school students who were very interesting, well-rounded and decent young people. All the religious home schoolers I’ve met, however, were totally scary freakazoids.

          • BobSF_94117

            There was a guy back in my dorm in the mid 1970s. He was home-schooled, which was fairly unusual in those days. He was a big lefty, pot-smoking, rule-breaking, long-haired hippie. Aced everything without even going to class. Very nice guy, to boot. Day after graduation, Eric showed up, hair cut down to a military length, said his goodbyes to all his [edit] stunned [/edit] friends, and went to work for the CIA.

          • Lars Littlefield

            Sounds like one of my roommates from college who did something similar. He was privately schooled at home by professional educators. After university he joined Ringling Brothers Circus for two years and from there he joined the CIA. After that he completely dropped off the map until four years ago. He now lives in Asuncion, Paraguay.

          • Reality.Bites

            Chris Colfer was homeschooled for a year because of bullying.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        I believe the word mundane would best describe his appearance. Not normal, just ordinary…which makes it all the more frightening.

      • thatotherjean

        Most mass murderers and serial killers look pretty normal, really. It would be so much easier if murderous people looked different from the rest of us, but they don’t.

  • Uncle Mark

    It’s only fitting that Breitbart follow its founder to the grave. (Alas, where will Gorka work when it’s gone?)

  • Sam_Handwich

    SCOTUS opinions coming soon

    maybe Masterpiece?

  • Longpole

    Of course the readership is down.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dcea77657826942813f589934f36615b522e79ff8b3b68eb1f5ce824a56d14ae.jpg
    Now that the Hillary/ Obama scare is over with.

  • “Breitbart… has lost about half its readership according to comScore”

    You know what this means? It means the casual fascists have probably abandoned Breitbart and the only ones left filling their comments sections are the purest distillation of hateful right wing batshittery known to man. I would suggest some psych grad student should study them, but I have a feeling it’d be like Madame Curie and radium: You might learn something useful from it, but you’d no doubt be destroyed by the exposure.

  • Half the Breitbart message-boards are progressive trolls gloating. There’s a LOT of Trump hate on there.

    • Lakeview Bob

      I wish they would unblock me so that I can join in the fun.

  • Lars Littlefield

    This is good to know. Someone (not me) needs to paste these little facts all over the comment sections of Breitbart. I would volunteer if I didn’t have to give my laptop a complete hours long decontamination afterward.

  • Lindoro Almaviva

    AND it could not happen to a more deserving bunch

  • JackNasty

    Did the Russian bots stop hitting Breitbart? Or are hits from Russian bots the only so-called readers Breitbart still has?

  • Nowhereman

    Well, when you flush out all the Russian bots, there’s just not many readers left. Actually, I’m surprised that Trump supporters can read at all.

  • Reasonoverhate

    Guess I better stop popping in over there to see what the nuts are saying!

  • Barry William Teske

    And the rats abandon ship.
    For another one, somewhere…
    Heads up people!

    (Holds ring to the sky…)
    Meerkat power ON!

  • kaydenpat

    Glad to hear that they such few advertisers. Good.

  • RJ Tremor

    Die die die! Death by attrition.

  • KevInPDX

    HA HA! F’ers!

  • Kevin Andrews

    Americans are waking up to the Israeli Hasbara inspired Breightbart lying propaganda rag. These vile and disgusting propagandists have no place in the United States and Breightbart’s demise an act of God.
    Couldn’t happen to a more deserving collection of the scum of the Earth, Fascists, Christ-O-Fascists and Nazi trash.
    Now when Faux Spews is done in we may restore our Fairness Doctrine and begin having truth delivered through our media rather than the lies of this kind of gilded feces. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e3c6fff99ef11b600fc4295fa00a5b016a0b1cc5443010c34f8cb029cea7f231.png

  • IDavid

    Truly the most vicious web site in existence.

  • bearLvrFL

    The Mercers are onto bigger and “better” things.

  • KnownDonorDad

    Did they scrub the Russian bots?

  • KnownDonorDad
    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      The word “unhinged” comes to mind.

      • KnownDonorDad

        Yeah – at that point, he had to be heavy into the drugs.

  • John Ammons

    And yet Breitbart claimed to have over 33 million readers in 2016 during the campaign. Breitbart’s Facebook page is vicious. If you dare disagree with any of those piece of garbage there, you will be ganged up on, vilified and even threatened in person or over the phone.

  • Priya Lynn

    Sweet!

  • TheSeer

    Failing Breitbart News. Sad.

  • JCF

    Readership drop 50% insufficient!

  • The last person leaving, turn out the lights.

  • DumbHairyApe

    GOOD.

  • wds

    DIdn’t losing Mercer money have an effect as well? … I seem to remember them losing Rebecca’s support … SMH