Christian College President Compares Gays To ISIS

Oklahoma Wesleyan president Everett Piper is getting a lot of attention for an op-ed he wrote for the far-right Washington Times. An excerpt:

I recommend this simple exercise: Go to any article in any magazine or website that argues for “conversations” about sexual morality and simply replace the acronym of the day with another set of letters. For example, every time you see LGBTQ in an article, simply replace those letters with ISIS. Change nothing else. Do this throughout the entire column in question.

In doing this, something will quickly become quite obvious. Sentences will emerge such as these: “Love is love and ISIS has the right to love who they want to love.” “The ISIS community simply wants to be accepted and affirmed.” “What right does anyone have to refuse to bake a cake for an ISIS wedding?”

As such absurdities jump off the page, hopefully it becomes clear how absolutely ridiculous our culture’s game of sexual politics has become. In this brave new world of hyphens and acronyms, we paint ourselves into a corner of “tolerance” where we must affirm the proclivities of anyone who “identifies” as ISIS just as much as we do all who identify as LGBTQ. After all, in both cases it could be easily argued, “that’s just who they are.”

Piper, you will be shocked to learn, is pushing an Oklahoma bill which would make it legal to discriminate against LGBT citizens.

  • HomerTh

    Replace ISIS with Christian…

    • Do Something Nice

      No need – in the extreme, they are the same.

    • April

      Replace KKK with fundamentalist Christian…

    • Blackfork


    • The Milkman

      That would be a much more direct comparison.

    • Sashineb

      Yeah, especially when they follow the teachings in a book that is full of violence: “Cursed be he who does the Lord’s work remissly, cursed be he who holds back his sword from BLOOD.” (Jeremiah 48:10)

  • You want ISIS comparisons asshole? LOOK IN THE MIRROR.

    • Halou

      The only difference is that Y’all Qaeda and such would want to convince us to kill ourselves behind closed doors, they “love” us that much and are no doubt squeamish at the thought of bloodying their own hands by it.

      ISIS militants just straight up kill the people they hate. No lies about how much they love their victims and no hesitation when it comes to doing the deed. ISIS are, at the very least, honest religious fanatics.

      • Steven in Texas

        Brilliantly stated.

    • Steven in Texas

      I uptick you to infinity!

  • misterjack

    Ugh. Christ stains.

  • DaddyRay
  • John Perry

    I recommend this simple exercise: Go to any article in any magazine or website that argues for “conversations” about sexual morality and simply replace the acronym of the day with another set of letters. For example, every time you see LGBTQ in an article, simply replace those letters with CHRISTIANS.

    In doing this, something will quickly become quite obvious. Sentences will emerge such as these: “Love is love and CHRISTIANS have the right to love who they want to love.” “The CHRISTIAN community simply wants to be accepted and affirmed.” “What right does anyone have to refuse to bake a cake for a CHRISTIAN wedding?”

    As such absurdities jump off the page, hopefully it becomes clear how absolutely ridiculous our culture’s game of sexual politics has become.

  • Halou

    Slight difference. The LGBT community doesn’t throw LGBT people off buildings.

    • DaddyRay

      Exactly – the only thing we have in common is that we are the targets of these religious zealots

    • Correct. However, the LGBT community does throw fabulous parties. And in the eye’s of the community from Footloose, which one is worse?

  • DaddyRay

    “hyphens and acronyms”

    next he will be attacking punctuation and adjectives

    • safari

      Punctuation is the elites way of constraining thoughts. Donald has done away with them.

      • Hue-Man


    • Makoto

      Don’t get him started on Arabic numerals…

    • Acronym Jim

      Diacritics make him positively apoplectic.

    • Amanda B. Rekendwith

      He’ll be helping his uncle jack off a horse??

  • Gustav2

    At the heart of John Wesley’s sermons and writings, along with his brother Charles, is to be Christ-like, living a holy life with an emphasis of loving your neighbor as yourself.

    What’s the name of the school again?

    • CB


      • Gustav2

        That and the Constitution doesn’t give a damn about their particular religion. It is neutral on religion, but is compelled to make sure citizens are treated equally.

    • Jonty Coppersmith

      I could almost swear there was something in their book about not bearing false witness against others too. I don’t think there was any mention of it being ok if you think you’re lying for Jesus.

  • misterjack
    • DesertSun59

      The only descriptor missing from the description of the Judeo-Christian deity is ‘genocidal maniac’.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    AM really losing patience with these people!

    • Todd20036

      I’m past that point. There was someone in the WaPo comment board who was getting bent out of shape with the “leftists” fascination with bathroom bills.
      I got angry, I said that it’s the RWNJs who are obsessed with transgendered genitalia. All they want to do is pee. The left didn’t make ANY bathroom bills. That was all on the right.
      He actually backed down

  • Mike

    The right wing wackos and the churchy lunatics are consistent. When they make an accusation against the boogeyman, they are projecting their own ugliness.

    The thing that separates American evangelicals and Islamic extremists is the (rapidly eroding) American tradition of civility, and some beheadings. But philosophically, they are on the same page.

  • Rex

    Just remember, when you replace LGBTQ with ISIS, you replace our savvy snark and fabulous outfits, because if you don’t you’ll get an ISIS member in drag shouting YASS QUEEN and it just won’t give you the proper mental picture.

  • Kevin Andrews

    Another Christ-O-Fascist howling from the fly-over States where Monsanto & Fracking have poisoned their brains and left them totally devoid of any resemblance to the teaching of their professed prophet or their Buy-Bull.
    I couldn’t care less what mythology these vile sub-humans adhere (or claim to adhere) to in their petty, bigoted and toxic death-worshiping cults.
    What I do care about is their inflated sense of entitlement and attitude of being just a little bit morally superior while paying tithes for lies.
    Long past time to tax the Church and be done with these delusional liars, grifters and snake-oil salesmen.

  • BeaverTales

    Can someone explain the difference between Christians and Christianists to me again? When I replace one word with the other, I get similar sentences as he gets replacing LGBTQ with ISIS..

    I see no difference between Christianists and ISIS at all. Both will destroy everything and everyone to make their god happy. Both love guns and money, and both hate gays.

    • Paul

      I think Christians are the ones that vote with their feet if they don’t agree with their church’s stance on issues.

      As opposed to getting all pissy and whining about being lumped in with Y’all Queda.

      • BeaverTales

        How do crackpots get to lead Christian colleges if not for Christians ignoring Christianists? Blindly giving to an alma mater that is becoming increasingly political on social issues of no concern to them is as bad as giving to a political church.

        “Charity” given to churches is a great way to avoid campaign contribution limits….and taxes as well. The GOP Christianists have been well aware of this fact for decades. Christians unaware of this fact are knowingly sticking their heads in the sand, just like they did when the Nazis were taking over Germany in 1937. Next thing they knew they were invading Poland and France while singing “Seig Heil” to a Christianist insecure short guy with a twitchy moustache and his mistress.

        • Paul

          Reminds me of that Atlantic article about white people who voted for Trump but claimed not to be racist. The fact they voted for somone whose platform was racist didn’t seem to faze them.

  • Pucks yer Mackd

    This can be applied to bible and christian hate I mean love speeches!

  • evanedwards

    Just replace the word ‘Christian’ with ‘Pedophile’. Turnabout is fair play.

    • Reality.Bites

      Replace pedophile with Everett Piper and the word isn’t turnabout, it’s accuracy.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    He should spend his time worrying about this instead :

    • DaddyRay


    • Paul

      I’m sure Peter Thiel is stocking up as we speak.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      People should just stick to moisturizers and mud masks.

  • CB

    Some I going to go out on a limb here and guess that intellectual rigor isn’t part of the school’s curriculum.

  • April

    *sigh* More insanity from my state…

  • Pucks yer Mackd

    My life is not much different from a heterosexual person. I come home say hello to my husband and the dogs. I do yard work and house work then go to bed. Even in bed I do the same! I am too tired for sex, me too, I love you and back up at 4am! Lol

  • worstcultever

    Just another bullshit-spew in the last gasp of these vicious, ridiculous, grifting charlatans.

    You know who has no time for this masturbatory tooth fairy hate nonsense industrial complex? The Parkland kids. The overwhelming majority of kids in general.

    (And ISIS – srsly? Hasn’t this overpriced haircut gotten the memo that it’s MS13 now?)

    • Reality.Bites

      You mean they weren’t destroyed 30 days after Trump took office?

  • Boreal

    What do heterosexuals in incestuous relationships have to do with gay people?

    • worstcultever

      Absolutely nothing. Except preacher money, somehow.

    • zhera

      OBVIOUSLY it’s the gheys’ fault. Duh. Their icky buttsecks causes virtuous straight people to turn away from Gawd and the Woolly Spirits.

      Ya know?

    • witch


  • netxtown

    oh lard. I see it this way. kansas is the butthole of the US. Texas be the balls. Which leaves oklahoma as the taint….and there taint a damned thing there.

    • Steven in Texas

      Well its only because Oklahoma SUCKS so hard that keeps Texas from sliding off the continent into the gulf.

      • netxtown

        if only they would blow instead! lol

  • For a little context, Methodists are currently holding meetings nationwide to address how they are going to word their lbgt policy going forward. Their last big conference decided to table the issue and wait for the bishops to make a recommendation. Now the bishops are listening in preparation for that. So this comment, at least in part, is a reaction to that. The denomination has a national reputation for being moderate to liberal but they have very right-wing factions.

  • Boreal

    Anyone else still having disqus issues? I have to click on the D icon everytime I refresh the page because it says I’m not logged in and then open my disqus account to view comments made when I get an alert.

    • johncAtl

      That’s kind of been the behavior on my iPhone for weeks. On my laptop it’s just been the usual chase the upvote button while the page scrolls on its own.

    • -M-

      Yes, it no longer keeps me logged in from page to page.

      • Boreal

        Same here.

  • gaycuckhubby

    I woke my husband up with a blowjob this morning.
    maybe this afternoon I’ll throw someone off a building or cut off their head or kill an entire village
    All in a days work for us gays

    • greenmanTN

      The Gay Agenda, it’s so hard to fit it all in, what with paying bills, grocery shopping and stuff.

      Ruining civilization is hard!

  • j.martindale

    WTF? I am trying to parse this out, and have come to the conclusion the man is feeble brained. What he appears to say is consider the argument that “Gays are born with their sexual orientation.” He then has you imagine the sentence “ISIS is born with their sexual orientation.” You select the group “ISIS” because, like “LGBT,” it is an acronym. And, voila, the sentence now makes no sense. That demonstrates that the arguments of LGBT people are invalid. HUH? And finally, slippery slope– pedophilia, necrophilia and incest. See?

    No, I don’t see. But I will say that I taught at a Methodist College years ago, and if the Methodists are making fools like this guy Presidents of their colleges, they are dumber than he is.

  • greenmanTN

    Someone remind me, when was the last time a group of gays beheaded someone?

    I can’t say I’ve never been tempted, mostly by assholes like this.

    • Steven in Texas

      Well Honey, how about Halloween! You know that’s our most precious holiday.
      We always have a few headless bodies and head cut off around the hood. (OUCH, as I reread that it occurs it could be lower and ghastly painful.)

      Oh sorry you meant in the real world……

      • greenmanTN

        Don’t get me started on Halloween. I love it. But I made my own costumes despite not having any sewing skills. The last time I attempted a costume it shrank in the hot dye so I went as jailbait!

  • Todd20036

    Replace GOP with Nazi. It’s not much of a stretch anymore.

    • Reality.Bites

      Yeah, but then you have to deal with the lawsuits from the Nazis.

      • Todd20036

        LOL Even Nazis are appalled at Trump. That would be hilarious.

    • The_Wretched

      Piper could be trying to do their projection trick of taking all accusations about them and projecting them out. We compare them to Nazis; they compare us to ISIS. And then they miss the point that the GOP policies match Nazi policies whereas gays aren’t using captured girls as trophies for military victories.

  • Snarkaholic

    As straight as a circle.

  • Michael

    These assh*les don’t quite get if you gave ISIS an option to throw either a gay man or an Evangelical off a building they’d be buying the gay man dinner after that Evangelical learned first hand how gravity actually works.

  • The Milkman

    This might go over well with a vocal cohort of Oklahomans, but all it does nationally is provide even more evidence that people who seek communion with their deity need to seek it for themselves without the involvement of self-appointed religious “leaders” like this tool.

  • Clive Johnson

    Replace Piper with unthinking clod.

    • Todd20036

      I’d rather talk with the clod. It probably is a better listener.

  • Acronym Jim

    Just watched “I Tonya.” Even at the start of the movie, Sean Eckhardt proved his claim that he was a “counter-intelligence expert”….at least in the literal sense of the phrase.

    It looks like this college president is giving old Sean a run for his money.

  • Mark McGovern

    Just left this on the Miami (OK) Regional Chamber of Commerce FB (of which Wesleyan College is a proud member):

    “Consider this a complaint. One of your members compared, in an article posted in the Washington Times, the LGBTQ community to ISIS. While I recognize and applaud free speech, that is hate speech -pure and simple. Is it OK for your members to disseminate hate speech?”

    • Dana Stinson

      I did the same. Thanks for the idea.

      • Mark McGovern

        Thanks! At least it’s something rather than just reading about it and being irritated.

  • Acronym Jim

    “In this brave new world of hyphens and acronyms…


  • rcdcr

    It is astounding that with all of life’s opportunities and choices, a man would allow himself to become Everett Piper.

  • Natty Enquirer

    ISIS models a way of thought, a way of life, and a way of faith. It is a place of serious study, honest questions, and critical engagement, all in the context of a liberal arts community that honors the Primacy of ISIS, the Priority of ISIS, the Pursuit of ISIS, and the Practice of ISIS.
    (with no apologies to the Oklahoma Wesleyan University mission statement)

  • Karl Dubhe

    He supports trump.

    He has no right to say anything about terrorism after that.

  • marshlc

    I read that excerpt. It’s structured as if he is making a point, but I’m afraid I can’t see any actual point being made. “If you change the words in a sentence, the sentence no longer makes sense” doesn’t count as an argument, sorry. I can make it all sound even sillier if I substitute in “mice” or “brussels sprouts” – but if I put those words in, I’m no longer talking about LGBT people, so no conclusions about LGBT people can be reached.

    Seems this guy really didn’t get his money’s worth from whatever seminary he went to.

    • Natty Enquirer

      Piper’s argument is fancy dress for naked animus. He hates ISIS, he hates teh gayz, what’s the difference?

  • bearLvrFL

    Someone with such logic deficiencies is chosen to be a university president? Sad.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      It’s an evangelical christian “university”, so logic deficiencies are among the prerequisites for the job.

  • -M-

    What’s this, the Mad-Lib argument?

    Just because you can construct a sentence doesn’t mean it’s true, nor that it’s as true or as logical as similar ones with different subjects, objects, or verbs.

    You can swap the name “Adolf Hitler” for “Abraham Lincoln”, it doesn’t change that Lincoln was the 16th president of the United States and Hitler wasn’t.

    Piper and ISIS want the power to control other people’s lives. LGBT’s want to live freely and equally like everyone else.

    • William

      Even better, anytime someone says “President Trump” replace it with “President Hitler”.

  • Macbill

    Is he implying that a baker shouldn’t bake a cake for Muslims? How about Chinese? Should a baker not bake a cake for Asians?

  • DesertSun59

    Christians sell a product: superiority.

    They prove they have none when they do this.

  • Charlotte Spak

    Feel sorry for the poor deluded fools that pay their hard earned money to go to this grifter’s overpriced clown school.🤪

  • Gayer Than Thou

    Oh, this is a fun game! Take a text that is about a different kind of person altogether, and replace references to that kind of person with a completely different kind of person and then notice how the text sounds ridiculous when it’s taken completely out of context! For example, take Cinderella and replace every reference to “Cinderella” with “Adolf Hitler,” and see how ridiculous it sounds! See? It proves something!

    • Renfield

      I might try that. It sounds kind of funny.

    • William

      ‘Adolph Hitler and the Seven Dwarves’ was one of my favorite books from childhood.

  • Slams lack of debate over sexuality. Stands against debate over sexuality.

  • aagold76 .

    stop by the school and his twitter pages and say hi- both have them

  • Dana Stinson

    He’s blocked me from Facebook. I consider my life fulfilled.

  • TimJ

    Piper is a goofball, not sure why anyone would send their kid to his little college. Beyond that he is also boring. Every time I’ve him he says the same thing at least five times “humans are the imago dei, not the imago dog!”. He thinks that is a clever line…

  • Paul_in_Dallas

    The makeup of the school’s faculty is exactly what you’d expect.

  • TrollopeReader

    “As such absurdities jump off the page…” well, yes, Mr. Piper, well, yes. You are absurd and dangerous….

  • Hank
  • They’re still railing against gays. Meanwhile their chosen president is battling his porn star fling with whom he cheated on his third wife.

  • JWC

    Does that also work with G O P

  • Chuck in NYC

    Methinks he doth protest too much. His hair is GORgeous.

  • Barry William Teske

    Oh look!
    Nice tan, nice hair, really nice clothes.
    Nice tax free status.
    Is that a Christian thing?

  • pj

    yeah …no. when you refer to us we want you to say each word. gay, lesbian, etc. no fucking shortcuts for you asshole.

  • Ninja0980

    But don’t you dare call us bigots in return!

  • rextrek

    no doubt another one… who IF a Hacker was given half the chance – would Find MANY Interesting things on HIS PC, with strategically placed Lube nearby

  • Richard B

    It always bothers me that some uptight people feel so self important they want to make rules to judge other consenting adults about what they do in the bedroom and demonize them if they don’t follow their made up rules – crazy!.
    Does anyone else feel this way?

    • andrew

      That’s a great quote. Another one is: “Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.” Blaise Pascal 1669

      • Richard B

        I do know that quote and toyed using it, but stuck with the Weinberg one.
        The message is the same – many of our species wants to be ascendant, but many want to keeps falling back to pleasing their superstitions and invisible vengeful gods, the ones with sexual hang ups.

  • Gretchen Dancer

    The SBC is a tax free business plan whose only product is heterosexual women.

  • andrew

    Clearly Christian Fundamentalist and ISIS are interchangeable terms. The only reason that Christian Fundamentalists aren’t exercising Old Testament “justice” is that we still have a legal system in place that prevents them from doing so.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada
  • teedofftaxpayer

    Considering that the gays are ones being bullied and killed by the “Christians” I think this guy has his head up his ass.

  • JCF

    I care less about this Christianist ASSHOLE, than any other public figures (especially politicians!) who may have been associated with him. CALL THEM OUT. Either they condemn and break w/ him, or you TIE THESE FUCKERS to him!!!!

  • JamesR

    Correction: “far-right ” does not cover the Moon Times. It began life as an unregistered foreign lobby, designed to help Ronald Reagan usher in the End of Days with nuclear annihilation, thanks to an incarnation of Jesus Christ no less, Sun Myung Moon. No shit. It is still owned by MOONIES and though they say [they source themselves reporting upon their own paper, owned by a shell company of the Unification Church] that somehow after losing 1.7 BILLION DOLLARS over 33 years it is making a “profit” as of 2015, somehow via their website, that’s a lotta roses. Call it a cult rag, Batshit Today, the Moonie Mouthpiece or at least Moon Times but ‘Conservative’ it is in NO WAY related to regardless of it’s LIES. I’m from DC, and NOBODY buys the Times. Nobody. Perhaps today by Trumpbots or people wanting directions to the pederasty pizza parlour but they count as NOBODY. Their circulation is as fake as (insert Moonie crapola here) Nobody puts it under their parakeet or picks up their beloved dogs’ shit with it. The only redeeming part of this is that this ‘Christian®’ person would be truly shamed if he knew how he was associated with this incredibly bizarre and malignant CULT. If, of course, he were capable of feeling shame.

    Thanks for letting me vent, because: MOONIES!

  • James

    The institution he heads is part of an evengelical church. Calling it a university is a stretch at best.

  • You can’t say that until we start throwing christians off of buildings!