ONTARIO: Attorney General Reviews Request For Inquiry On Police Inaction On Serial Killer Of Gay Men

CBC News reports:

Ontario’s attorney general is reviewing a request from Toronto Mayor John Tory for a public inquiry into how police handle missing persons files, including the cases of men who have disappeared from the city’s Gay Village. Attorney General Yasir Naqvi responded to Tory’s call in a brief email statement Thursday morning.

In it, he expressed his condolences to the friends and families of alleged victims of accused serial killer Bruce McArthur, who is charged in the deaths of six men, most of whom disappeared from the Gay Village or nearby areas. Naqvi also expressed condolences to the city’s residents and Toronto’s LGBT community, calling the six deaths “deeply troubling.

“We recognize that there are many unanswered questions,” Naqvi went on. “We are reviewing the request to call a public inquiry and will be maintaining an open dialogue with the city of Toronto on next steps following the conclusion of any criminal proceedings.”

Also from CBC News:

Reports that McArthur may have been interviewed years before his arrest have fueled suspicions of police inaction in Toronto’s LGBT community. “This is not surprising,” said prominent local activist Nicki Ward.

“It was well known that McArthur was dating one of the victims,” she said. “It would be amazing if [police] had not interviewed such a person of interest.” Ward went on to call an earlier McArthur interview “the best-kept secret” in Toronto’s tight-knit LGBT community.

While Toronto police began investigating the disappearances in 2012, the force has been criticized for dismissing the community’s concerns about a possible serial killer. Detectives have since used that term to describe the 66-year-old self-employed landscaper, who was arrested in January and now faces six charges of first-degree murder.

  • another_steve

    Oh please…someone…something nice now.

    Kittens cuddling. Human infants gurgling.

    Something.

    Please.

  • MT YVR

    This has been disturbing my husband and I a lot. It rings old bells of discrimination and neglect from police departments up here. We’re hoping we’re seeing things through a lens of our history and it’s something else… but. (shrug)

    Seriously. We really, honestly hope it’s incompetence. And that’s terrible.

    • Treant

      Given the police chief’s deflection? It’s discrimination and neglect.

      One very interesting quote from a movie when the police finally came knocking, “What? He finally killed somebody who mattered?”

      • JT

        Too bad they all can’t be inwardly as good as this guy is outwardly.
        http://img.sharetv.com/shows/characters/large/19-2_ca_2014.ben_chartier.jpg

        • Treant

          I have been Very Bad and I Must Be Punished to the Full Extent of the Law.

          Strip Searching will be Required.

          • MT YVR

            (distant snaaaaap of nitrile rubber glove)

      • MT YVR

        We’re bitter old queens so we’re pretty sure it’s a dick move. But we’re hoping. Because it’d be nice to be proven wrong.

        Well ok it wouldn’t. It’d be a miracle. We’re always right. And by we I mean me. 😛

        • Treant

          One look at the expression on the chief’s face was more than enough to convince me. It was, “How fucking dare you question me?” along with, “You fags better go away or…damn, the media’s watching.”

          • MT YVR

            Which is bringing back some lovely, lovely memories. (eyeroll)

          • Treant

            I always found that the more vicious and phobic they were, the more their dick was straining against their zipper wanting to come out and meet some guy’s gums.

    • Do Something Nice

      Nobody is talking about how during pride, ‘the gays’ chose the police over Black Lives Matter because ‘the cops are our friends.’

      • MT YVR

        I knew that’d come up.

        For myself? I get not having police all over the place. But in Vancouver THAT history also continued on to the point where there are now a lot of openly gay officers. Everyone worked hard to get that inclusion and the right to be part of the police force. For myself I want to be sensitive to BLM but I really dislike the rhetoric that hit the media that implied they said “Us or them”. When framed a certain way (which the media did) it made it seem like people in uniform had no right if/as a gay person to be proud of that.

        It still hasn’t hit media out here at least that that is not what their statement was/is. Their message is far more moderate and considered. And more “just… don’t have them every five feet with assault rifles, mkay?”

        In Canada it’s a slightly different, though no less fraught, relationship. It really bugged me that none of the actual players involved (representatives from Pride or BLM) were really, truly represented in the presenting of the issue in our cities. They made it sound like every POC’s experience was the same, every city was the same and every force was the same. And honestly? The whole “you’re with us or you’re a racist white gay guy” thing that got shoved in (which… again… was not what they said but it certainly was implied in news stories)? Kinda a dick move.

        • Do Something Nice

          But nothing was more dickish than white gay men complaining about BLM wanting to ruin “their” parade and not even considering the issues that POC face with law enforcement.

          I don’t buy that ‘both sides’ were equally to blame.

          • MT YVR

            I’m… not sure, honestly, about your point here. I feel like this is a bait to a rant and I’m not interested in engaging. I gave you my take and yours… seems to be sitting there, next to it and I don’t know how to relate it to anything I said. Other than a lot of anger and a lot of “white gays are dicks”. Which frankly I’m pretty fucking tired of listening to up here in Canada when it’s usually presented under the guise of all POC have universal, singular, experiences in life and somehow that crosses all borders and conversations.

            Which pretty much is a horrible disservice to all the actual issues in each community locale.

  • William

    Somebody thought he was ‘killing all the right people’.

  • SoCalGal20

    OT but a lovely story from the march in Selma the other day.

    https://twitter.com/cnn/status/971638497902780416?s=21

    • WNY

      What if Stormy forwarded some of tRump’s sexts, pics, and/or videos to one of her girlfriends during the affair? She could have shared them with friends long before any of this NDA business was initiated. They would not be bound by that NDA. My sister’s bff has sent her unsolicited dick pics of her recent conquests a couple times before my sister told her to stop.

      • William

        Her lawyer probably has copies of everything, in case Trump went back on the deal.

        Give my phone number to your sister’s bff.

      • RaygunsGoZap

        She did discuss the affair with at least one woman who I saw interviewed on TV. Not Drake. The woman couldn’t offer any salacious details only that Stephanie revealed and commented on her affair with Trump many times before he became a candidate.

  • Treant

    I’m sure they’ll get right on that. The head dude already said it was the fags’ fault for not helping out with their crack training and investigative skills or some such garbage.

    Of course, take it far enough and, that being Canada, somebody probably will get right on that. It’ll just take a while.

  • BeaverTales

    This is the way the PoPo treated gay male and trans rape victims when I was in my twink years. Ignore them and hope the complaintants are too embarrassed or scared to seek help. Being dead was almost as good, but was an inconvenience because an actual police report was required..

    • Lazycrockett

      It also works the other way, it wasn’t that long ago when the gay community was very leery of the police and rarely got them involved in things.

      • MT YVR

        When I came out I was told not to ever, under any circumstances, contact the police if I could help it. “If they find out you’re gay, that’s the end of it.”

        • Lazycrockett

          Boystown and the Chicago Police force started an outreach program in the 90’s.

          • MT YVR

            This was the mid-90s Vancouver. There were noises but… we knew.

            When we were robbed in the early 2000s… we waited hours for anyone to show up. We’d woken up to someone in our bedroom with a flashlight grabbing stuff. Chased him out. HOURS. When we were chased down a street in front of our apartment during daylight hours by two trucks filled with men screaming they’d “kill you fucking faggots” it took almost 3 hours for the police to respond.

            Those were minor.

            They made noises but so many people I knew had experiences where the response to violence or discrimination was pointed disinterest.

          • Karl Dubhe

            Hmmm, so that explains the behaviour of the Vancouver police when I had to contact them in the 1990s.

            (on edit, about theft not violence.)

    • Try being a lesbian. The cops in three cities I’ve lived in have literally threatened to kill me. I will never forget one Dyke March I went to, where they pulled out guns and told us to get off the street.

      Straight people hate gay men, but they hate lesbians more. Especially those of us who choose not to breed.

      • Canadian Observer

        Does being in a bar raided by police carrying fucking submachine guns qualify for me the silver or bronze?

  • safari

    O/T: NPR’s All Things Considered just did a segment on Stormy Daniels and called out Sarah for being the first to actually admit that he is directly involved in her lawsuit. Until the words “won in the President’s favor” came out of her mouth, nothing official linked him to the non disclosure agreement. It is glorious.

    • Treant

      And by acknowledging the agreement and speaking about it, she may very well have rendered it even more null and void than it was from Cohen opening his huge mouth.

      • Got that right. The ONLY thing they should’ve been saying is, “We can’t comment on that.” Over and over.

        Frankly, I think it’s past time for Stormy’s friends to spill what she told them, before the agreement was inked.

        • Treant

          While of prurient interest, it really doesn’t have any political significance. His base won’t care. The Evangelicals will speak loudly about forgiveness or something, and his approval won’t erode.

          Even if it were impeachable, Congress won’t–and probably not even the Dems. Too many of them have interesting little peccadilloes that could so easily slip out in the media…

          • True, but it upsets Donald and causes even more chaos in the WH, and that pleases me.

          • MT YVR

            You are eee-vile and awful.

            I like you. May I sit next to you? 😛

          • Any time.

          • Treant

            Good point. This may cost Sarah her job, which I don’t mourn.

            But consider that things have gotten much worse since Sarah came on board. The only way to go is sleazier. Dumber. More oppositional defiant disorerly. 🙂

            But seriously, we’re talking this guy.

            https://www.featurepics.com/StockImage/20100702/sleazy-man-stock-picture-1603217.jpg

          • If Sarah gets the boot, I honestly expect to see Mooch behind the podium again.

          • Nowhereman

            But but he can snap his fingers and the top 10 people in public communications would come clamoring for that job!! Oh right, he thought that Mooch was the greatest ever…

          • RaygunsGoZap

            ME TOO!

          • Marty Pavelka

            I though the WH recently banned Mooch from the premises. They’d hire him back? Aw, hell, I guess anything’s possible at this point.

          • Uncle Mark

            Well, they’ve been hinting at bring the Mooch back. I suspect that Donnie has forgotten what an attention-whore he is. If he’s brought back, he will be gone in a month.

          • Treant

            He could be like the White House Yoyo.

            It’s weird but…looking at the photo of the sleazy guy above? If he drops the act, restyles his hair, and smiles sweetly, I’d be all over that.

          • hdtex
          • Treant

            Come now. Neaten him up, dress him right, redo his hair, and you could snuggle in the chest fur.

          • hdtex

            Oh honey NOOOOOOOOO!!!!! You’d need to start with industrial strength degreaser, and it doesn’t get better from there…

          • Treant

            Oh, girl. I totally make soap. Slather him down with a nice lauric-acid based soap (coconut base, in other words), and he’ll clean right up.

            I never said my taste in men wasn’t fairly random. There are tons of not classically attractive men who left me feeling a whole hell of a lot better about themselves. Also rather tired and down a quart or two.

            And some classic beauties who wondered why I wasn’t interested at all, point in fact.

          • William

            A month? Aren’t you the optimist.

          • Nowhereman

            Well, that’s longer than he lasted the first time…

          • Strepsi

            the Mooch!

          • Ninja0980

            I love how your mind works.

          • safari

            My goal is to have his name attached to shamelessness and eventual poverty for all history. I want his name to be spoken of with the scorn reserved for Nero.

          • Within a generation, I want there to be as many people bearing the surname ‘Trump’ as there are ‘Hitlers’ still in Germany and Austria.

          • Friday

            Since it’s a made-up name from ‘Drumph,’ there probably aren’t many as it is.

          • Nowhereman

            Trump means Fart across the Pond.

          • robindaybird

            I ran across a poor woman who had to tell people she’s not related to Donald in any shape or form due to her surname

          • Treant

            Already there, love. Already there. 🙂

          • Uncle Mark

            At least Nero knew how to jam on a fiddle. Trump has no skills…and thank gawds we don’t have to see him in a toga

          • Uncle Mark

            Actually, Trump’s support from Evangelicals as eroded away from 80% to 63%. It’s not as much as it should be, but when you’re polling in the 30s, every voter counts. The longer Stormy (and others) drag this out, keeping this in the face of Evangelicals daily, the harder it is for them to deny the fact that they are supporting a pig, who does not share their values. It may never disenfranchise more than 50%, but every percent will hurt Trump’s weakening support.

            On a happier note, the Evangelical support and identity with Trump has disenfranchised many from their hypocritical cult.

          • Treant

            Yet my cousin–who I avoid at most costs except for three times yearly when I spend holidays with her parents and revolving around the room to try to stay away from her–states that God has told her that Trump is saved and has been forgiven.

            (I told her to see a fuckin’ shrink, which didn’t end well, but there you go).

            Per the poll yesterday, among stated likely voters, Dumpy is likely to get 46%. Let that sink in for a while because it still hasn’t with me.

            Nearly half. Enough, mind you, for a devastating loss in the popular vote and, if Russia is not working that day, even the EC. But nearly half.

          • marshlc

            News coming out about a recent abortion he’s paid for might do it. Especially if he bullied a woman into it.

          • ceeenbee

            It makes a difference because every time he speaks we can put up what he says right next to a tiny, shriveled dick pic of him. That would be glorious.

          • Treant

            I just threw up in my mouth a little.

          • William

            The photo will make a lovely Christmas Card for all those ‘certain’ friends and relatives.

          • William

            If Trump’s tiny member becomes an international joke, he’s going off the deep end. Dragged out in leg irons, dosed to the gills with Haldol will be the end of his White House days.

          • Treant

            My bet is that the Republicans dose him there, prop him up and…just like since day one…his handlers do the actual “governing,” what little they bother doing in between thefts.

          • William

            Oh, they do a Reagan.

        • William

          Lawrence O’Donnell pointed out that despite Trump’s infamous lack of self control, he hasn’t said one word about Stormi Daniels.

          • Gregory B

            Yet… tomorrow is another day…

          • William

            Trump has attacked the people who are investigating him.

            He doesn’t say boo about a piece of ass? She’s got something on him.

        • Nowhereman

          And if Stormy loses her law suit, maybe she can scare up the money to buy out the NDA. I’m sure she could make it back with a couple of books and interviews.g

    • Uncle Mark

      I suspect that the Fucking Moron yesterday was going over the Stormy Daniels information with Sarah…and being the incessant braggart, felt the need to allege that the arbitration was won in his favor. Of course this stuck in Sarah’s head, as her job is to spin and promote the president. MOOOOPS.

      • Treant

        M’ooops. Mooooobs. Both apply to him.

      • Judas Peckerwood

        MOOOOPS

        What is “Who invaded Spain in the 8th century?”

        • northern_neighbour

          …p…q….’R’ …. moooops!, thus just a little typo, praise Allah!

          She just drifted a little from the mandate of her Moorings…

    • Lazycrockett

      and the beat goes on.

    • ceeenbee

      I think it’s time for Larry Flynt, or someone else who has promised, to make good on that promise and pay Stormy whatever it takes to get hold of the texts and [shudder] pics of the shitgibbon.

    • Nowhereman

      And who are we to quibble? He only hires the very very best people…

    • hdtex
    • Canadian Observer

      How could she help herself? SO MUCH WINNING!!

    • billbear1961

      Sex and the President

      Porn star Stormy Daniels (in reality, Stephanie Clifford), has filed a lawsuit asking a judge to declare her “hush-money deal” with Donald Trump null and void. She is prepared to return the $130,000 she got for signing it. The lawsuit is 28 pages long and is full of interesting details. Before getting into those details, it is worth noting that Daniels’ lawyer, Michael Avenatti, has provided two reasons why the judge should cancel the agreement:

      Trump didn’t actually sign the document (his lawyer did, though)
      The agreement states that neither party shall discuss the existence of the agreement, and Trump’s lawyer did

      The agreement contains an arbitration clause, so the judge has to first determine if the courts even have jurisdiction or the dispute should go to arbitration.

      Now, some of the details. First, Daniels clearly states that she had an “intimate relationship” with Trump, starting in 2006 at Lake Tahoe and continuing into 2007, when the two had a “meeting” at the Beverly Hills Hotel in Los Angeles. Trump has denied that the relationship existed and probably would not like to be put on the witness stand under oath to answer questions about it.

      Second, Daniels asserts that Trump aggressively tried to silence her in order to win the election. That would make the hush money a(n illegal) campaign contribution, since it was money spent (and not reported) with the intention of influencing the election.

      Third, and most important, the agreement, which is included in the legal filing verbatim, specifically forbids Daniels from “selling, transferring, licensing, publicly disseminating and/or exploiting the images and property…” Images? What images? Did/does Daniels have relevant “images” (technically known as “dirty pictures”) relating to Trump? Is the whole point of her lawsuit, possibly with the return of the $130,000, to allow her to “exploit” said images? Is she betting that some publication might pay her more than $130,000 for the images? The agreement also gives Trump the right to create “derivative works” from said images. Might Daniels want to nullify the agreement so that she could create “derivative works?” Given her profession, one potential derivative work might be a DVD, in which she played herself and some actor (Alec Baldwin comes to mind) played Trump, reenacting some of the history. Sales of such a DVD could possibly bring in more than $130,000. If Daniels is serious about her lawsuit, Justice Anthony Kennedy is not going to be a happy camper when he gets to make the final call, as usual.

      It would appear, incidentally, that Daniels was preparing to violate the non-disclosure agreement and to let the chips fall where they may, with the result that an attorney (Lawrence S. Rosen) representing Donald Trump’s attorney (Michael Cohen) managed to secure a temporary restraining order against the porn star last week. Since there is little doubt at this point about the extramarital affair, it’s clear that Daniels has something or knows something that Team Trump really does not want to see the light of day.

      http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2018/Senate/Maps/Mar08.html#item-7

  • Tawreos

    How many not only his victims, but victims in general would be alive today if the police took complaints from a minority community seriously?

  • Hue-Man

    Ironically, Chief Saunders apologized in 2016 for Toronto police action in the Toronto bathhouse raids of 1981 – the serial killer was probably hard at work as the apology was being given!

    On Feb. 4, 1981, the Toronto gay community, like many
    communities, was somewhat fractured, with many disparate voices and
    factions offering opinions on how to advance their issues.

    But the next night marked a pivotal moment in galvanizing the community — when
    police officers armed with crowbars and sledgehammers raided four city
    bathhouses and arrested more than 250 gay men.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/bathhouse-raids-toronto-police-gay-community-arrests-apology-1.3645926

  • Ninja0980

    As I’ve said before, if pretty blonde women were the ones vanishing, the police department would have been all over this.

    • Treant

      And it’d be Natalee Holloway all over on all channels 24-7-365. They even did a movie about her to the point that I didn’t have to look up the spelling of her first name.

      https://youtu.be/SNVj59B_sLE

  • MikeBx2
    • RaygunsGoZap

      I’m shocked she hasn’t had her nose done. Also, her boobs make her eyes look small! LOL. Get a makeup artist.

  • bkmn
    • Treant

      Well, duh. That’s why they call it the Interior secretary. Nice office doors!

      (I’ll be here all week. Try your waiter and tip the veal).

    • WNY

      Was it a Stormy Daniels payoff “door”?

    • jimbo65

      Oh FFS, Aaron Schock’s Downton Abbey renovations seem tame in comparison to the non stop grift of this guy, Dr. Stabbey, Pruitt et al..

  • O/T Here is Donald at a sleazy Vegas sex club called ‘The Act’ in 2013.
    https://twitter.com/KeithLeBlanc63/status/971773517325881345

    The Act was no ordinary nightclub. Since March, it had been the target of undercover surveillance by the Nevada Gaming Con­trol Board and investigators for the club’s landlord — the Palazzo, which was owned by GOP megadonor Sheldon Adelson — after complaints about its performances. The club featured seminude women performing simulated sex acts of bestiality and grotesque sadomasochism — skits that a few months later would prompt a Nevada state judge to issue an injunction barring any more of its “lewd” and “offensive” performances. Among the club’s regular acts cited by the judge was one called “Hot for Teacher,” in which naked college girls simulate urinating on a professor. In another act, two women disrobe and then “one female stands over the other female and simulates urinating while the other female catches the urine in two wine glasses.” (The Act shut down after the judge’s ruling. There is no public record of which skits were performed the night Trump was present.)

    As the Act’s scantily clad dancers gyrated in front of them late that night, Emin, Goldstone, Culpo and the rest toasted Trump’s birthday. (He had turned 67 the day before.) Trump remained focused on Emin and their future partnership. “When it comes to doing business in Russia, it’s very hard to find people in there you can trust,” he told the young pop singer, according to Goldstone. “We’re going to have a great relationship.”

    The next night, toward the end of the Miss USA broadcast, Trump hit the stage to announce that the Miss Universe pageant would be held the coming November in Russia. In front of the audi­ence, the Agalarovs and Trump signed the contract for the event. Trump declared, “This will be one of the biggest and most beautiful Miss Universe events ever.” On the red carpet earlier that evening, Trump had hailed Emin and Aras Agalarov: “These are the most powerful people in all of Russia, the richest men in Russia.”

    Two days later Trump expressed his desire on Twitter to become Putin’s “new best friend.” Emin quickly responded with his own tweet: “Mr. @realDonaldTrump anyone you meet becomes your best friend — so I’m sure Mr. Putin will not be an exception in Moscow.”

    Donald was there at the club in June 2013. It would be shut down four months later for issues related to the acts being performed there.

    We’re talking Las Vegas, Nevada. This club was deemed too lewd and offensive for Vegas!

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/miss-universe-moscow-trumps-beauty-contest-spawned-business-deal-russians-bond-putin-100026386.html?soc_src=community&soc_trk=tw

    • hdtex

      That was in the Mother Jones article linked here earlier.

    • Refugay

      Eww. Just eww.

    • billbear1961

      Have you all heard about this today?

      Trump Got a Letter from Putin

      From Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin’s War on America and the Election of Donald Trump, a new book by Michael Isikoff and David Corn:

      Trump was finally on his way in Russia. And shortly after the Miss Universe event, Agalarov’s daughter showed up at the Miss Universe office in New York City bearing a gift for Trump from Putin. It was a black lacquered box. Inside was a sealed letter from the Russian autocrat. What the letter said has never been revealed.

      https://politicalwire.com/2018/03/08/trump-gets-letter/

    • Treant

      You say “sleazy” like it’s a bad thing.

    • billbear1961

      Republican family values! Party of God!

      “He is sent by the Lord!!!”–Evangelicals

  • SoCalVet

    I drove across the entire country…it’s not the promised land some make it out to be…

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      Promised land? No. Land that has promise? yes.

      • SoCalVet

        yes…especially the western part for me. The east and the central…checked off the list! 🙂

  • MBear

    Are they still blaming it on the community?

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      Yeah, when I heard Saunders make that remark I was seething and yes, there are still some on the force and some in one particular political party who hold that we are to blame. Care to guess which party? Here’s a hint, Rob Ford’s brother is running to become leader of it.

      • MBear

        Ugh.

      • Sashineb

        Didn’t we have enough hell when the Fords were turning Council meetings into a circus act? Yet there are idiots that think he will do a better job than Wynne.

  • Mike

    I have been following this for some time now…All I can say is it’s typical behavior by authorities everywhere.. .I have been trying to migrate to Canada for for few years now….

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    Reminds me of everything I read about Milwaukee police and their handling of Dahmer related murders. Two police officers, who later went on to head the department, actually returned a victim to Dahmer.

    “On May 27, neighbors called the police to report seeing a naked and bleeding boy run from Mr. Dahmer’s apartment building. After interviewing Mr. Dahmer, Officer Gabrish and two fellow officers accepted his explanation that the youth was an adult and his lover and that the boy was drunk. The officers went with Mr. Dahmer and the boy to Mr. Dahmer’s apartment. The other officers were also suspended. ”

    The cops also entered the apartment.

    “Intoxicated Asian, naked male,” one officer said, with laughter audible. “Was returned to his sober boyfriend. My partner is going to get deloused at the station,” the officer said, with more laughter.

    The Milwaukee Journal, citing sources familiar with the Police Department’s internal investigation, said Dahmer told police that he killed the 14-year-old boy as soon as the officers left.