Trump Trails Generic Dem By 8 Points In 2020 Poll

Politico reports:

President Donald Trump’s new campaign manager has his work cut out for him. A week after naming Brad Parscale to run his reelection effort, Trump is 8 points behind a generic Democratic candidate, 44 percent to 36 percent, according to a new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll. Nearly one in five voters, 19 percent, are undecided.

Male voters are evenly split: 42 percent would vote for Trump, and 42 percent would back the Democratic candidate. Among female voters, the Democrat has a 15-point lead, 46 percent to 31 percent.

Other indicators also suggest Trump is in perilous shape at this early stage. The president’s approval rating in the new poll is 43 percent, down from 46 percent last week. And Democrats’ lead on the generic congressional ballot is up to 7 points, 44 percent to 37 percent.

  • mikeinftl

    Will he run his campaign from a jail cell?

    • Todd20036

      He might

  • fuow

    My party needs to have a discussion about why so many white, cis-gendered, heterosexual men vote rethug. Seriously, it’s not a healthy situation.
    Then again, based on many of the comments leading up to the 2016 elections here, quite a few non-cis gendered, non-heterosexual men appear to be voting against their own interests, too.

    • Todd20036

      White privilege. It’s real, and a lot of white people don’t want to give it up

      • Paul Ohbehr L

        Sadly. Though I’m glad in my immediate family. Me (male, white, gay, plus my Mom and two sisters) it’s not a problem. Not that I’m standing up on a pedestal. I still have to examine where I need to work on my white privilege other than voting.

      • fuow

        Then maybe we need to have a serious discussion about why the myth exists that we Democrats wish to ‘take’ this ‘privilege’ from them.

        • ZRAinSWVA

          Yes, but that’s difficult ’cause the Dems support all those welfare queens and other useless POC who are given free handouts by the Gubinment just to buy der votes. Or something.

          Messaging. We need to wrest that narrative away from the Rethugs and have counter arguments ready for every BS thing they say.

      • fuow

        I don’t deny it. I do, think, however, we need to examine just exactly how it has come to be that so many believe we are their enemies.

  • james1200
    • David L. Caster

      Minimally take the House. Put the House inquiry back on the rails, and set the record straight in all respects. Demolish and expose as many as possible GOP lies and distortions.

  • Bluto
  • Bryan

    So Parscale comes in as his numbers trail in Parsecs…clever

  • Do Something Nice

    Sadly, there aren’t any generic Democrats to run against him.

    Oh, and the Democrats who voted to neuter Dodd Frank are part of the problem.

  • StraightGrandmother

    I hope whoever is the Democratic Candidate they run a really viscous, dirty, campaign against him. Screw the high road, he hasn’t earned it. Like I wish Hillary would have turned around and shouted at him during the debates, “Get out of my space quit STALKING ME!”

    • SkokieGuy -Irving Snorkelstein

      This x 1,000. We run weaksauce ads like “candidate X is too extreme” as opposed to actual hard hitting facts. Hell, campaign ads simply made up of video clips of Trump contradicting himself. Rachel’s tote board of people who have left the Administration, some of Trump’s actual tweets. And Trump’s grab guns – due process later should be on saturation runs in the Southern states.

    • jeffg166

      Then she would have been paranoid or over sensitive. The right will rationalize anything. Donald is a flawed vessel of god don’t you know.

    • Devon Rodriguez

      Hilary was confident that common sense would prevail but as Voltaire said….

      Far too many people and TV networks were HOOKED on the show that is Donald Trump but just like a circus that comes into town there is always vermin and shit to clean up after the tent comes down…

    • ian

      That is a problem with the Dems/DNC. They never seem able to go for the jugular, or go for the “kill”. I’m more often than not disappointed in their ads for being so “nice”. They use ad agencies and focus groups and the results seem neutered. trump and his associates has given them a goldmine to use against the GOP. Will the DNC take advantage of it? Probably not.

    • B Snow

      I saw photos of after the election, glasses, no makeup. I wish she’d campaigned like that. She might have won.

  • margaretpoa

    Only 8? That means that almost half of the country isn’t done being abysmally stupid and batshit crazy yet.

    • SkokieGuy -Irving Snorkelstein

      That was my first thought. Its THIS close? Really?

      • fuow

        Yup, but I’m sure one of the dear children will be along soon to explain that it’s merely anecdotal.

      • Todd20036

        True, but this is a national poll.

        Actually, 8 points is HUGE in a poll like this.

        • Rambie

          Real 8 or Grindr 8?

          • B Snow

            Disqus REALLY needs an LOL button…..

    • Nic Peterson

      A turnip should be able to pull those kinds of numbers.

      • margaretpoa

        A turnip is.

    • Rambie

      That was my first thought too! “WTF, only 8?!”

  • DesertSun59

    The sad part, of course, is that he’s trailing by only 8 points. All he needs is a war to immediately shoot up from -8 to +20.

  • Tulle Christensen

    So has Mr. Generic declared his candidacy yet?

  • kareemachan


  • Gustav2

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    • The Milkman

      The Drexel Theatre, and the yummy Italian restaurant right next to it, are some of the things I miss the most about Columbus!

      • Gustav2

        Giuseppe’s Ritrovo?

        Or the hole in the wall connected to the theater? The Radio Cafe has closed.

        • The Milkman

          YES! Giuseppe’s Ritrovo. Those little spinach pinwheels were so lovely.

  • greenmanTN

    Trump trails a shiny path wherever he goes. I bet if you sprinkle salt on him he melts.

  • Paul Ohbehr L

    I’m still pissed (sorry, no Trump pun) about the Democratic people who freaked out about Franken* while Trump (and other actual sexual abusers to) remain in public political office. I won’t vote for these Democratic people in 2020. That you can count on especially as I caucus in Minnesota and vote in 2020.

    * (Minnesota’s US Democratic Senator who left his Minnesota US Senate Seat).

    • greenmanTN

      I know how you feel. Believe me, I do. But don’t shoot yourself in the foot.

      What happened to Franken was complete bullshit, but the issues at play here are bigger than that, don’t get bogged down in the minutia.

      What is at stake is too important for that.

      • Paul Ohbehr L

        True, thank you. I won’t allow another Trump win, however.

        • greenmanTN

          I wasn’t kidding when I said I get it.

  • mickey

    Well I doubt Dump is worried he knows Putin and the Republicans will do their part again

  • SoCalGal20


    Meanwhile, the idiots over at the DCCC should be ridiculed and mocked from now until midterms for their dumbass stunt in TX-07 that rightfully blew up in their face.

    • fuow

      Speaking as a yellow-dog who has been active in my party for many, many decades: The DCCC has reached new lows. Unfortunately, so few people join us, we get stuck with such tom-fool idiots.

  • Gerry Fisher

    >Nearly one in five voters, 19 percent, are undecided.

    “Hmmm. A non-con-artist-and-traitor versus a con artist and traitor. Gee, I just can’t DECIDE!” (Jeez, America, get it together.)

  • BartmanLA

    Just waiting for the orange furor to wake up and declare this and any poll showing him behind to be “fake news” like that invalidates any actual facts that are reported. I’m just guessing here, but maybe his handlers will stroke his ego and keep telling him he’s the best president in history just to keep him from saying something to the press or in public. Just a guess. The closer we get to November and the Mid-Terms he’s going to ramp up the attacks and claims he isn’t being treated fairly by the MSM and that no one can run this country better than he can.

    • Paul Ohbehr L

      Or gosh forbid, that he manages to do something stupid which somehow gives him an upper hand again for (or to) his followers. As some people fear, if he went to another war (one example).

  • Butch

    Who are the idiots in the 43 percent that support him? Based on what? And who on earth is stupid enough to think he should be re-elected? Does someone have that poster handy – one in three Trump supporters is just as stupid as the other two?

  • aagold76 .

    that’s kind of sad that it’s only 8 points….didn’t Hillary lead by 8 points a couple times in 16? Once the candidate becomes clear- Fox, etc will hammer them so hard, they’ll lose 4-5 points.

    • SoCalGal20

      I think that poll leans right

      • fuow

        I hope so, rather doubt it, though.

        • bobbleobble

          Well their lead for generic Democrat in the midterms is way below what other polling companies have been coming up with so it’s a distinct possibility. Morning Consult have also been giving Trump a much better approval rating than anywhere else other than Rasmussen.

      • TominDC

        Morning Consult presidential approval polls have been reporting higher approval rates than most other polls. Not as high as the notoriously right-leaning Rasmussen polls, but they definitely skew slightly to the right.

        • SoCalGal20

          Thanks. Just comparing it to some other poll numbers it seemed more right leaning.

    • bobbleobble

      People who watch Fox News and engage with conservative media are never going to vote for a Democrat anyway. It’s not there that you need to worry about, it’s what comes up on Facebook and Twitter etc. that is the real worry.

  • ColdCountry

    Remember the polls before the election?

    • greenmanTN

      Others have said it and I don’t think they are wrong. Russian interference in our last election didn’t stop at Wikileaks, Comey, and online bots. Why stop there? At the very least they hacked voter rolls and may have hacked voting machines in a few key states.

      Polls only count when they predict an accurate, unadulterated view of an accurate unencumbered vote by actual people given free will to vote.

      • David L. Caster

        Log that last part out.

        • greenmanTN


          • David L. Caster

            It’s going to be an uphill battle to restore the “unencumbered vote by actual people given free will to vote”. Polls are not actual votes of the people anyway so the disconnect between what they show and the results of an election are tenuous at best.

  • FAEN

    Means nothing if we don’t stop Russian interference.

  • VodkaAndPolitics


    • Tom Furgas

      Shows how fucking stupid the American electorate is. And/or how pervasive the Russian meddling truly is.

    • The_Wretched

      As Obama said about Fox News – if I watched fox news, I’d be sure to hate that Obama guy.

  • Todd20036

    The elections are 6 months away. DOn’t get complacent.

  • Mark McGovern

    I’m amazed its only 8 points. How crazy is America?

    • David L. Caster

      Really crazy. Completely bonkers.

  • Rex

    How sad when you’re losing to an unnamed generic person. Bland McNothing is better than Trump.

  • Boreal

    ‘The president’s approval rating in the new poll is 43 percent.’

    That it could be this high tells me this country is fucked.

  • BobSF_94117

    What the fuck is wrong with people?

  • Mike C

    After all THIS that’s too close for comfort.

    • another_steve

      Thank you. I find those poll results absolutely terrifying.

      After a year of horror and rampant criminality originating in the White House, only an eight-point spread?

  • andrew

    In a sane world it would be more than 80 points.

  • mikemmiv

    Didn’t America see these kind of numbers in the lead up to the last pres election…? and look what happened…

    • Ross

      …when Russia stole the votes for their man.


      For years, the manufacturers of voting machines have been saying that the machines are safe because they are not connected to the Internet. But closer examination shows that the machines and the voting system as a whole are still very vulnerable. Many voting machines are indeed not connected to the Internet, but they contain internal telephone modems so they can call city and county election centers and report their results. These modems use the telephone system—often the cellular telephone system—and that makes them just as vulnerable to Russian or other hacking as if they were on the Internet.

      Why? First of all, if there is a modem used to call out, it is possible that a hacker could also find a way to call in, log onto the voting machine (which after all, is just a computer with a touch screen, like a big iPad). Manufacturers say this can’t be done, but most experts don’t agree. A hacker who logged in could change totals without any fear of being detected. In fact, even if a hacker didn’t change anything but simply caused a message to appear on the screen (or somewhere it could be found) reading: “Greetings from Boris Botski,” it would wreak havoc by making it clear that a (Russian) hacker got in, thus undermining faith in the election, even if nothing were changed.

      A second problem is that some voting machines call city or county offices on the cellular network. For administrators, this is much easier since they don’t have to connect a landline to each machine, of which there could be dozens in a big polling place. Here, a hacker with a large-enough budget and a fair amount of expertise (think: the Russian government, not some 400-pound kid sitting on his bed), could erect a fake cellular station near selected polling places. When the voting machines turned on their modems to call home, the calls would be picked up by the fake cell towers rather than the real ones. The software in those towers could modify results before forwarding them to the place they were supposed to go. Needless to say, the manufacturers pooh-pooh this idea, but experts are far from sure.

      Third, once all the polling places have reported up one level, the totals typically get sent to county and state elections centers. Those computers are most definitely on the Internet, and could be penetrated and malware placed on them that could alter results.

      • The_Wretched

        a yup. That’s why we need voter verified paper receipts and post election audits.

  • thatotherjean

    Trump trails a generic Democrat by only 8 points? What the hell is wrong with American voters? What does Trump have to do to lose votes?

    • David L. Caster

      Don’t ask. He would try it.

    • Ben in Oakland

      Just what I said above.

      • thatotherjean

        Great minds, and all that. From the direction I was reading posts, I didn’t see yours until after I had posted. Sorry about that.

        • Ben in Oakland

          Well, my feelings are hurt. You can compensate me by either sending Ryan Reynolds to me when my husband isn’t home, or a lot of money when he is.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Very good news, but still worrisome. Until it’s solidly double digits…and even then, don’t falter. Remember….

  • hdtex
  • Ben in Oakland

    Good news. Or bad news. Or no news.

    Take your pick.

  • The_Wretched

    It’s not enough. Go Vote! Register all your friends.

  • BeaverTales

    In an idiocracy, all you have to do is promise everyone a tax break that lasts maybe a year or so and promise to put Jesus in every bedroom in America. Scandals are just a bonus feature these days.

  • 2patricius2

    Only 8 points? We have a long way to go. Hopefully he will be in prison by then.

  • Randy503

    “Lock him/her up!”

  • Dana Chilton

    politico/morning star polls consistently skew GOP/conservative. Politico and Rasmussen are the only polls that show Trump with an above 40% approval rate.

  • HandsomeMrToad

    This was true in 2016. Remember, all the polls had Hillary winning. What’s the score in the swing states? Which side has more intensity? States like Pennsylvania and Ohio LOVE the steel tariffs.

    (Full disclosure: I am not a Trump-supporter. I disagree with almost everything he is doing. But there is no benefit from deluding ourselves. We are in deep doo-doo and likely to get hammered again in 2020.)

  • Tom Bestor

    I’ve seen polls before. They let me down. Trumplethinkskin’s supporters don’t participate in polls to as great a degree. I want votes!

  • JWC

    Do NOT rest on your laurels The BLUE WAVE is NOT a given there is still the unknown Putin card to be played

  • 1980Gardener

    8%???? That is less of a margin than I would have expected.

    • Friday

      Politico polls seem to be like that.

    • TominDC

      Eight percent margin in the popular vote would translate into a landslide victory in terms of electoral votes.

      For reference, Obama won the 2008 popular vote by 7.3%, and he won the electoral college 365-173.

      • 1980Gardener

        Yes, I know, it would be, but given my reading of the national mood, i expected different numbers. I guess I don’t know a diverse enough number of my fellow Americans…

  • ian

    All well and good, yet I worry the DNC will be their usual ineffective selves and manage some how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. So far they seem content to sit on their hands and assume a “Blue Wave” will carry them to power. They sat by and assumed Hillary would win because trump is so awful. A lot of us did, and it was obviously a huge error, and I don’t see the DNC has learned from that. It’s business as usual.

  • Tomcat

    Is that with or without Russia’s help?

  • Robert Anthony

    46 and 43 percent approval rating???? How?

    • Friday


  • Max_1
  • I don’t find these numbers as optimistic as Politico does.

  • colo303

    He was also behind the polls in October 2016.

  • Why does that even matter given he fixes his elections?

  • Rocco

    That’s all?!? Hopefully Mr. Muller will have removed him long before then. I find it shocking that the margin is that small. I know people hate this expression, but we will get the government we deserve…Russian cheating notwithstanding.

  • James


  • KnownDonorDad

    Dear Democrats,
    Please don’t snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

  • JCF