Trump Threatens Tax On European Union Cars

The Hill reports:

President Trump threatened a new tax on cars imported from the European Union on Saturday, in response to threats of retaliation against new U.S. tariffs.

The European Union said Friday it was weighing potential tariffs against a wide range of U.S. goods, in response to Trump’s announcement that the U.S. would impose tariffs of 25 percent on imported steel and 10 percent on imported Aluminum.

European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said the governmental body would consider imposing tariffs on three famous American products, including “on Harley-Davidson, on bourbon and on blue jeans — Levi’s.”

  • another_steve

    Sedate the man.

    Someone please sedate him.

    • thatotherjean

      Medical coma? It wouldn’t help him, but it would benefit the rest of us. Oh . . . that would leave us with Pence. Never mind–save it for a real emergency.

  • Pollos Hermanos

    Move those 401k funds around folks.

    Trump is going to gut your retirement.

    • UrsusArctos 🐻

      Tell me. One of my stocks with the best performance history has been Brown-Forman (BF.A), makers of Jack Daniels. :/

      • Pollos Hermanos

        I drink Jim Beam. Move over to that 🙂

        • UrsusArctos 🐻

          All US whiskey is going to be hit with counter-tariffs, so that won’t help their stock value either. *sigh*
          I guess we’ll just have to drink more to make up for the export drops. Fortunately(?) the 45* administration encourages that.

  • Do Something Nice

    If only we had a tax on European brides.

    • #DJTK5F

      Is that a euphemism for Russian whores?

      Will he slap a tax on Russian hooker pee?

      • Todd Allis

        Pretty sure the reference is to Melania and Ivanka. I mean, Ivana.

        • stanhope

          Please leave “don’t get mad, get everything” Ivana out of this. I ain’t mad at Ivana. She got rid of donald before he got fat and got enough money for an endless supply of hot, horny pool boys and personal trainers. Melania is the suffering chick.

          • Strepsi

            she is, though, by literally all accounts, a horrible human being.

          • Cattleya1

            Nobody nice would have married The Donald to begin with.

          • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

            She birthed Don Jr., Ivanka and Eric. Vile woman, loathsome offspring.

          • NMNative

            She’s bought and paid for. He’ll dump her for a new model as soon as he’s tired of her. No sympathy here, she knew what she was getting into.

      • April

        I think it’s more about Slovenian gold diggers.

      • stanhope

        No sister..Slovenia…stay woke!

      • Strepsi

        Russian hookers, and Slovenian whores.

    • JT

      Or hookers** (Eastern European models).

      • Ron

        6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

    • Bambino

      Cost more for prostitutes. Vaccination, delousing and rabies shot adds up.

    • stanhope

      That was priceless! LOL more than i can say about melania. Ivana for first lady!

    • Nic Peterson

      Go to Europe, buy a broad.

      • Brine1

        LOL!!!! Do you mind if I use?

    • Devon Rodriguez

      Trump’s new tariff action against US allies is all part of Russia’s plan for the US using Trump – disintegrate the US from Europe and its allies so it no longer can act as a counterweight to Russia as it rebuilds the former USSR. In truth Trump does not have a plan that does not benefit and/or strengthen Russia.

      I dare you to come up with one piece of domestic and/or international legislation that Trump has been touting that does not benefit Russia?

      Need to use the federal courts to put an immediate stop to Trump’s tariff actions, as they have no basis in national security at all, and actually undermine US national security by breaking down the relationship between the US and its allies. Court action will force Congressional approval where cooler heads will prevail and input from those who are not under the thumb of Russia.

      Need to step up the Mueller investigation to indict Trump on Conspiracy Against the United States, Obstruction of Justice, and Money Laundering / Tax Evasion, which will instantly cause him to be a lameduck president until he resigns or is forced out. We can’t wait around to see any more of the Russian plan using Trump, as the tip of the iceberg with the Trump tariffs against allies tells us all we need to know.

      • Do Something Nice

        Seeing “Russia” in everything is a disease among us progressives and it erodes our credibility and may erode efforts to indict/impeach him.

        This may or may not have anything to do with Russia, but there is no point to speculating about it until there is actual proof or, minimally, SOME circumstantial evidence.

        According to just about every expert in the world, these tariffs are absolutely horrible. Trump talked about them early in the campaign in order to win support from the steel belt (or rust belt) workers. Below is a link to an article that is a good look at what he was talking about earlier in the year.

        https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/07/made-in-america/534339/

        • lymis

          Seeing Russia in everything is indeed a problem, especially with a group of people that seems perfectly capable of being corrupt all on their own.

          But seeing Russia in nothing is a big part of what got us into this trouble, and if we don’t get our heads out of our collective asses, they’ll continue to play us for fools.

  • MikeBx2

    The longer this goes on, his six bankruptcies become easier to understand.

    • Buford

      Trump making up those 25% and 10% tariff numbers on the spot… and the resulting market tumble… should have been an impeachable offense.

      • lymis

        If not impeachable, (requiring “high crimes and misdemeanors”), then at least a 25th Amendment situation (unable to perform the duties of the job.)

    • Nowhereman

      Yup–and I’m predicting that we will be in a deep recession within a year, and in the Second Great Depression not long after that if these fucking idiots retain their stranglehold on us. As usual, democrats pull the economy out of the ditch and get it back on the road again with the republicans kicking and screaming the whole way. And then when they get back in control by lying, cheating and stealing, they get high on their own fumes and put us in the ditch again. I think this time they have set the record for destroying our economy and trashing our civil rights. It’s only been a little over a year.

  • another_steve

    What’s with the weird capitalized words in his tweets? “Tax.” “Cars.” In the middle of a sentence.

    Did orange boyfriend flunk out of English class?

    • UrsusArctos 🐻

      His Deutsche Roots are showing.

  • HanyBaal

    PutinFluffer phase 1 mess with election
    Phase 2 mess with economy

  • PickyPecker

    Do it, then, you gutless fat orange fuck.
    http://switchandshift.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/28.jpeg

  • Michael

    He’s doing exactly what Putin wants him to do, sow discord and distrust with our allies in an effort to isolate the U.S. What does Vladdie have on him?

    • Lizard

      Trump has been after Putin’s approval for years. All Putin would have to do is pretend to vaguely like him.

      • Jamie_Johnson

        Or call the $billions in loans various Russian banks have made to Trump, and his house of cards would collapse.

    • Todd20036

      Nothing. Not a damned thing. Trump just needed some easy money and someone to tell him how great he is.

    • Cattleya1

      When you ask yourself who benefits from Twitler’s imbecilic rants, the answer always seems to be Putin. I do not think this is paranoia on my part.

  • PickyPecker
  • Lazycrockett
    • Lazycrockett

      Still needs to be signed though.

      • Lazycrockett
      • The Florida House will not adopt it. Still the Parkland kids effort is just getting started. This is going to be a major issue in November.

        • Marion Hammer will make sure no gun restriction bills pass. She has Florida tied up with both money and the power to sink any politician who dares oppose her.

          • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

            Any Republican politician at least.

          • A few things to consider. Florida has direct referendum. That is why we have a very liberal medical marijuana law on the books now — there are clinics all over. I am sure there will be some direct initiatives by November to vote on. I think the tide is turning right now here, but I live in the democratic liberal part of the state near Parkland – South Palm Beach County. The Governorship has been close for the past two elections (Rick Scott was barely elected twice and he can’t run again). This issue could put a Democratic Governor back in office.

          • justmeeeee

            Nice thought, except that the Florida Democratic Party is the epitome of ineptitude. Let’s see if they can manage to fuck this one up.

          • Also Florida Governor Rick Scott (who probably is running for the Senate against Dem Bill Nelson) has already come out against her and the NRA on several key gun control issues — much to the shock of everyone. She seems to be reeling — if you hear on tv she seems like she is ready to drop dead actually :).

          • RaygunsGoZap

            God I hope so. She’s a monster and it’s too bad she didn’t die before she could export her pro-murder laws to the rest of the country.

          • Nowhereman

            I dare say I will do a happy dance when that happens. It’s not fair that people like her get to live to a ripe old age while their policies cause the deaths of children in their schools.

          • RaygunsGoZap

            Hopefully, the kids understand they’ll need to confront her specifically.

            Marion Hammer is the architect of murder in the US. And should be hounded and shamed and never move freely in public with out very legal and non-threatening protests.

            Her office is in a street-facing strip mall and she lives in a house on a street. Protestors should be at both places.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      While it didn’t pass, I don’t think I’m wrong about the intent….
      https://twitter.com/sirlthr69/status/970012358901977088

    • LGBTQ folks keep a watch on the ultra right wing fools to rally against any infringement of our rights. I’m this vein, I think it’s time we started to keep tabs on the NRA so as to flood the governors and politicians with emails and calls against voting in these gun right laws.

  • JCF

    FYI, security analyst bear Kevin Baron on MSNBC now!

  • Phil

    What about the “european” cars made in the US?

    • clay

      No more cheap steel and aluminum for them!

  • Henry Auvil

    The United States is now being led by a person who is clearly insane. I didn’t ever think we’d get this far, but we have. Does this moron think that Germans, living in the country that manufactures Mercedes, Audi and BMW, want to drive Ford Escorts?

    • UrsusArctos 🐻

      To say nothing of the Mercedes/BMWs made in the US that are going to stop selling as the price jumps. The ONLY good news is that those plants are in the Deep South (AL/SC)

      • Nowhereman

        I know, right? Gee, it’s as if he and the republicans don’t think this shit through… But sadly, that just means that successful blue states will have to send them more red state welfare money while we listen to them whine about those elite Hollywood liberals. I am so sick of this shit that I could spit!

      • Uncle Mark

        Trump’s former advisor cashed out of the aluminum & steel market a week before Trump announced his tariff. One has to wonder if this advisor took advantage of his weak-minded friend in offering this advice or (more likely) Trump is somehow getting a cut on this action.

        Given Combover Caligula’s greed & pride, it appears he is more than willing to ignite a trade war and crash the economy to enrich himself and his “friends.”

        • Cattleya1

          I like ‘Combover Caligula’!

    • Stev84

      Ford is a bad example. It designed cars specifically for the German market since the 1930s.
      And the Escort was first built in Britain and Germany. The American Escort is really a different car with the same name

      • BobSF_94117

        You’d think Trump would make an exception and allow completely unfettered trade in escorts.

    • lymis

      Buick makes the 4th best-selling car in China.

      Or did, if this idiocy is allowed to proceed.

  • MonochromeMouse

    American cars don’t sell well because they are all shitty cars, not because the EU is ripping us off.

    • another_steve

      Well I hate to say it, but I agree with you. I’ve owned American and I’ve owned Japanese (Honda).

      Anyone who has owned both will understand.

      • Uncle Mark

        Most of my family own Hondas now. It started with my little sister owning one right out of college (approx 30 years ago), and then her husband switched over, my parents, my other sister & hubby. Me…I’m still in love with the Fusion.

        • another_steve

          Before my current CR-V, I owned a Honda Civic.

          Want to know for how many years I owned that Civic?

          (Prepare yourself.)

          25.

          • Lizard

            My Honda is 10 this year and drives like the day I bought it (granted it was pre-owned, but only two years old). I plan to drive it for many more years.

    • The new Chevy Impala won Consumer Reports as the top car in its class. Ford Fusion is also highly rated. American cars are no longer shitty at their price points. They are competitive again (for the money). But since so many parts are interchangeable between manufacturers much of this is marketing and assembly.

      • Lizard

        American cars only won the top spot in two categories in 2017, though, out of ten. Foreign cars are still whupping their asses as a whole.

        • Yeah but they are no longer ALL dogs. It is nice to have some winners! LOL.

          • Lizard

            They don’t all suck anymore! Uh….’Murica?

            Still, though, if Drumpf extends this to Asian companies too he’ll have to pry my cold dead fingers off the steering wheel of my Honda.

          • My last car before my current one (I bought my Mom’s Camry from her — she had almost no miles on it) was a Saturn Aura. It was a total POS. I wanted to buy American to be a good patriot. I know the feeling. Although it was made in Tennessee (a German Opal made in the USA) nothing fit together. It would be hard for me to buy American again.

          • Lizard

            I just like my manual transmission. It’s fun to drive and super cheap to maintain.

      • Mike Solo

        The Ford Fusion is a EU design, the Mondeo, but was debuted in the US first. That’s why it came with small turbo engines and manual transmissions were offered. The Focus is also a Euro design, as is the Fiesta.

      • another_steve

        My husband owns a high-end Chevy. I own a Honda CR-V. The differences are palpable. Everything from the sound of the engines running to the dashboard artistry to the precision feel of the dials when you turn them.

        I’d prefer to buy American, but I’m a fairy and demand the best.

      • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

        You trust CR?

        • Yeah I do actually. To be honest most of their recommendations have paid out on things like house paint and washing machines over the years– especially when they recommend to not buy expensive new technology. Not always though.

          • netxtown

            I don’t know if they recommend it – but, for me, there is only ONE house paint – benny moore. Won’t even consider anything else since i did a stint as a contractor up in Denver.

      • netxtown

        I started with a Pontiac, then an Olds. After the Navy i went Datsun, then Toyota – and now and forever more, Nissan. i would rather support one Japanese truck manufacturer than 450 US auto mechanics.

      • Friday’s_cat

        Consumer reports is a joke. 4cyl Dodge regular maintenance (oil change etc) until 90K then remove plastic cover and replace timing belt. Japanese 4cyl regular maint plus remove top half of engine intake manifold, throttle body, cam cover to adjust the vale lash and replace spark plugs. repeatedly.

      • Paula

        I’ve heard that but, I think I will stick with my VW.

    • #DJTK5F

      Kiss my Tesla.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada
    • kanehau

      Julian Assange: AKA Putins Penis.

    • Uncle Mark

      Regarding your first tweet, frankly, like many despots, I think Dear Leader would be fine if the rest of the world cut us off…as long as he gets to sit on top of the shit-pile, here.

      As for your second one, for which I dearly love, unfortunately that’s a “parody” account that I once fell for myself. The a-hole says that it’s all about “triggering liberals.” Although, I did raise the question with him, as to what message he was conveying, being a “parody” account supporting a parody President.

    • Dazzer

      Believe it or not, recently Ecuador tried to publicly shame the UK into letting Assange go free.

      Two things:
      i) after Brexit, there’s no way we can be any more embarassed
      ii) If we had to put Assange in prison it’d cost British taxpayers money. While in the ecuadorian embassy, it costs them money (and we Brits need every damn penny we can save at the moment).

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Fair points. Though sooner or later, Ecuador is going to have to toss him to the curb. The question then becomes, who grabs him first?

  • Tomcat

    This guy has no clue how to run a business or a country.

    • kanehau

      He thinks bankruptcy is a business model.

  • Patrick

    It’s been 15 minutes
    what side of the issue at hand do you think
    the “Great Communicator” has taken?

    • UrsusArctos 🐻

      Yep! Never underestimate idiots because they’re so damned ingenious.

      • Nowhereman

        Genius, ingenious, disingenuous–words no longer have meaning in the Era of Trump.

    • Judas Peckerwood

      President Dunning–Kruger

    • Todd20036

      And his followers…

    • Nowhereman

      Well to be fair, he said that he’s a stable genius. Frankly, horses have more sense. Trump is more of a horse’s ass.

    • Christopher
      • Robincho

        a lot

  • bkmn
  • Steve Smith

    Some complications may arise. Most car manufacturers are now multinational, with parts and assembly in different countries and usually are merged pan-national companies ( e.g.Fiat Chrysler. Jeeps are Italian now.) The mega rich who have put this gormless idiot in place are now beginning to reap the results. How long before the donors to the GOP start to make suitable noises to get rid of him before catastrophe strikes?

    • marshlc

      I would be very surprised if his ear is not being whispered in today, at the golf course.

  • Lizard

    Surely the “great businessman president” knows at least 30% of cars made by Germany-based companies are manufactured in the US. Surely…

    • Chucktech

      Go ahead. Call him Shirley.

      • Lizard

        I prefer to call him “fucking idiot,” personally.

        • I was curious — what is that in Slovenian? I am sure Melania calls him this whenever they get together these days.
          “prekleti idiot” Idiot remains the same.

    • Tomcat

      He don’t like them because Germany insist on Union representation at their plants.

  • Democrats need to watch how they postion themselves with any “trade war”. It is going to be very difficult to retake the presidency without the “rust belt” states of
    Pennsylvania (which is a 50/50 rust belt state – the Western Part is)
    Michigan
    Wisconsin
    — and it would be nice to retake Iowa and Ohio.
    In addition, Florida is an “echo” state due to all the retirees from the rust belt on the West Coast of Florida
    ——————–
    If Trump continues to postion himself as the Messiah/Saviour of former manufacturing workers who lost their cushy factory jobs to NAFTA/Europe and the evil intellectual free traders (you all know the Michael Moore drill) by setting up tariffs and other bs. voodoo economic stuff like this he is going to win reelection in 2020. I said it before — underestimate Trump at your own risk. (NOTE – I know of course tariffs are destructive, Dems just have to watch how they postion themselves on this).

    • UrsusArctos 🐻

      A “Trade War” will kill ag exports from IA, and those folks KNOW it. The Rust Belt may like protectionism, but the AgBelt knows better.

      • Honest question — why do you think Iowa had such a big (I believe 10 point) movement from Obama to Trump? What was the one issue that triggered this — I thought it was a Michael Moore state with manufacturing also.

        • UrsusArctos 🐻

          From what I heard from IA friends it was religion and general Clinton hatred. Seems IA is becoming more like KS by the day. It’s always been there (see Rep Steve King), but now it’s more open.

          • netxtown

            Everytime i see that name – Steve King – I have this image of a 2×4 of a turd with corn all up in it….

    • April

      Trump may gain the Rust Belt states with these tariffs but he will be at real risk in the farm states. They depend at sending their crops outside of the U.S. to stay in business.

      • So Kansas, Nebraska, and the Dakotas will vote Blue? Actually Texas could — but that is growth of the latino vote. Still, strange things are coming in American politics in the next 8 years.

      • bzrd

        and baby Huey is not picking daddy’s crops

  • April

    Farmers who voted for Trump, don’t blame the Dems when you can’t export your crops when the full-blown trade war hits.

  • Michael McReavy

    The situation reminds me of that song, Waist Deep in the Big Muddy (and the big fool says to push on).

  • safari
    • Dazzer

      OK. I cried.

  • Isn’t this ride fun?
    Whee!!!!

    • thatotherjean

      It’s one of my major life rules: Anything that makes you want to throw up is not fun.

  • The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership agreement had been under negotiation for years during the Obama administration and would’ve eliminated nearly all tariffs between the US and EU member countries. Including US automobiles.

    Due to the complexity of the agreement and a number of controversies, negotiations went on for roughly five years but were getting closer. It was predicted to have created millions of jobs, potentially.

    Then America had the 2016 election. And Donald canceled any further negotiation efforts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_Trade_and_Investment_Partnership

    • safari

      Meanwhile the TPP ship has sailed with other nations on board.

      • Yep. And that’s the thing: Donald just wants to issue threats and punishments. He doesn’t actually want to negotiate about anything because he has no fucking clue how to actually close a deal. To him, if anybody gets anything they wanted, he lost utterly—no compromises—which when combined with his volatility and untrustworthiness makes it impossible to negotiate with him in good faith.

        • safari

          So he’s a perfect figure head for the modern GOP.

      • Hue-Man

        New name: Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership, following agreement in principle.

        CPTPP

        Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam.

    • Tomcat

      Now Trump wants back in it.

      • No, he doesn’t. He wants a trade war. Donald hates agreements because nothing gets destroyed and other people don’t “lose”.

    • William

      Many Europeans were against the TTIP because it allowed American food containing ingredients that are banned or limited under EU laws.

      • Hence why negotiations were ongoing.

      • Dazzer

        There was also another – absolutely MASSIVE – consideration in TTIP.

        It would have allowed American insurance corporations into the European health markets – and there was absolutely no way in hell that was going to happen.

        TTIP was killed by the EU after enormous objections to it from the European populace.

        It was perceived to be something that was giving far too much power to American corporations without enough regulatory oversight.

        During the Brexit campaign in the UK, one of the biggest arguments used against the EU was that it might allow TTIP (which was anathema to the left wing in all countries).

        Of course, since Brexit, the UK is desperately scrabbling around for any trade agreements it can reach after Brexit and it’s probably going to end up with the shitty end of a TTIP agreement that’s American exploitation of the British market – including the NHS – on super steroids.

  • safari

    Can one man cause a depression?

    Stay tuned.

    • Tomcat

      Lets hope NOT!!!!!

    • Yes. Mental health professionals have reported a large increase in people coming in for depression, anxiety, stress and other mood problems.

      If you truly are becoming depressed and have the option, seek help. Also periodic “no news breaks” are highly recommended.

      • Lizard

        I think safari meant an economic depression.

        • Oh, that too. Yes, he potentially could, unless the plutocrats realize what he’s doing and intervene.

          Honestly, while it is entirely possible to make money in a downward market, I can’t imagine the billionaire class is happy with this particular development.

          • UrsusArctos 🐻

            It is possible for SMART people (with cash) to make money in a downturn. A LOT of the 0.1% are rich on paper and leveraged within an inch of their lives. A downturn will gut their assets too.

          • Especially those like Carl Icahn who have their ear to the White House grounds for investment-affecting tip-offs.

          • Nowhereman

            It would be nice it THEY are the ones to take the brunt of it this time. Wall street will be cluttered with the bodies of former billionaires taking the easy way out and jumping.

          • Scott Carpenter

            I’m more worried about inflation. The value of holdings goes up, while the value of debts goes down. That’s always a win for plutocrats, and (I believe, with no evidence, so I guess it’s faith) the actual reason behind the when and how of the tax bill.
            If they can keep Hair Furor from screwing it up, they’ll be sitting pretty.

          • Cattleya1

            Then let them do something about him. It is a lead pipe cinch all of us ‘little people’ have no power over him.

        • Nowhereman

          That too. And that will be really REALLY depressing. I think it’s possible for him to do that within 2 years.

      • William

        My doc had no explanation for why my hair turned white and started falling out over the course of a month.

        • Cattleya1

          Sounds like Acute Traumatic tRumpulation to me!

      • Nowhereman

        I’ve been trying to do that–less news, more music. I can’t look away entirely though. Things are moving too quickly. I’m limiting which shows I watch. I never miss Rachel or Joy. They help me make sense of it all and that makes me feel more optimistic. AM Joy comes on at 6 AM here in Nowhere, Alaska, and I set my alarm.

      • shellback

        My heart goes out to our host who HAS to keep abreast of the news and be subjected to the imbecile every day.

      • bzrd

        I say those who can, post more kitten and dog fun

    • stevenj

      One man, it seems of late, has been able to move the stock market down just by spewing bile.

    • Sure, if he manages to start an unnecessary nuclear war with North Korea that explodes out of control. Why not?

    • Nowhereman

      I think that our whole country is suffering from CTSD. Current Traumatic Stress Disorder.

    • Todd20036

      Not quite. But when you have an entire political party that is reduced to rubber stamping him no matter how stupid he is, and that party is in the majority, then yeah.

    • I’ve been in a profound funk since Wednesday, November 9, 2016. Gained 40 pounds. Does that count as a depression?

      • Dazzer

        Either you’re depressed or you’re sensibly putting on the pounds so you can survive the coming apocalypse better than all the skinny people.

  • UrsusArctos 🐻

    How many sequels does Idiocracy have?

    • TexasBoy

      At least as many sequels and reboots as Planet of the Apes.

      • safari

        *snap*

      • Here’s hoping it doesn’t go the route of the Spiderman origin story, because I don’t think I could stand to witness the 2016 election and its aftermath as some kind of Lovecraftian nightmare “Groundhog Day.”

        (*checks off the mixed three different cultural metaphors in the same comment stretch-goal for today*)

        • Reality.Bites

          The recent reboot doesn’t retell the origin in real time yet again.

          • jimbo65

            Yes. Thankfully, and it’s all the better for it.

          • Yet you just have to know that deep down, given the success of Homecoming, the studio execs are saying, “Okay, we FINALLY nailed #2. Time for the prequel!”

    • safari

      The original Planet of the Apes series had three after Earth blew up.

  • BeaverTales

    European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said the governmental body would consider imposing tariffs on three famous American products, including “on Harley-Davidson, on bourbon and on blue jeans — Levi’s.”

    Harleys are assembled in Missouri, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania
    Levis are assembled in North Carolina
    Bourbon is made in Kentucky and a very tiny amount in Tennessee

    These items are mostly made in the Trump states from materials imported from elsewhere (except Bourbon)….fewer sales in the EU will harm Trump’s base more than anyone else.

    • safari

      Wisconsin is home to Harley <– Paul Ryan
      Burbon <– Mitch McConnell
      Levi Headquarters is in SF <– Nancy Pelosi

      • BeaverTales

        The corporate HQ of Levis is in SF, but the US manufacturing jobs are in NC. Levis corporate HQ jobs don’t constitute a large part of the CA economy. Motorcycles and Bourbon will hurt WI, MO PA and KY

        • William

          Most Levi’s jeans are made outside the US. The last major manufacturing plant was in San Antonio. It closed in 1990. Only one line is made in North Carolina.

        • Gretchen

          Parts for Harley Davidson along with almost every auto make are made in Tennessee at my husband’s place of employment. His campus of plants alone has over 2,000 employees. There are components of the products they manufacture and assemble made all over the world. East Tennessee has two of these campuses, and the one near me is the county’s largest employer. Cutbacks will depress the entire area just as it did in 2008-2009. This is scary shit to know he is playing with our lives.

      • In other words, the world is saying, “Please fucking deal with your imbecile now, while you still can.”

    • stevenj

      While Levi’s still has it’s corporate headquarters in SF no clothing has actually been made in SF since 2002. This link from Levi’s website shows where their products are made. I did not see NC on the list, maybe that has changed. Very little on this Dec 2017 list is made in the US.

      http://levistrauss.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Levi-Strauss-Co-Factory-List-December-2017.pdf

      • CraigNJ

        All of my Levi’s say Made in Mexico

        • Dazzer

          All the Levis sold in the EU say “Made in the USA”.

          Not sure what bits of them are made in the US, but that’s what the labels say over here.

  • Tomcat

    The US should save lots on money on power soon as we can use windpower from the great wind machine trump.

  • Cackalaquiano

    And the European automakers can just close up shop in South Carolina and Alabama and whatever other Trump-loving hellholes they want to inflict pain on.

    • Tomcat

      And Tennessee.

  • Tom G

    Guess he’ll be backing down again. Looking like a douche again.

    • Tomcat

      Thank heaven he has dementia and won’t remember what he said by Monday.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Another down day on Monday.
    The ghost of Smoot-Hawley will be prowling Wall Street.
    Someone needs to gag the fool.

    • Tomcat

      Let him hang himself with congress, they need to get the big picture.

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        But my little nest egg can only take so much shrinkage!!

        • Tomcat

          I know, best congress gets the word real soon.

  • teedofftaxpayer

    Dumb shit doesn’t know when to STFU.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    The fool has seen he can move the market with these ill-considered tweet storms.
    I wonder how many of his billionaire pals get a heads up first, so they can sell or short the affected stocks. How much does he make in kickbacks?

    • Tomcat

      I am sure Mueller is watching who sells and when. Easy to follow that stuff.

      • UrsusArctos 🐻

        Laws are for “the Little People”, dontcha know? /snark

  • So, in all of history, is there any president who’s been worse than this idiot?

  • Natty Enquirer

    Oh goody, a trade war. Just what Dumb Don wanted.

  • Treant

    Needs more duct tape.

    Over the mouth.

    • Lizard

      No, thumbs.

  • ClevelandJim

    Someone needs to unplug the Hoover that cheeto is operating in.

  • another_steve

    I haven’t sent the Evil Eye to Trump in a while. It’s time.

    This is a very potent Old World curse. My paternal great-grandmother sent it to her cousin in Latvia. He became impotent and his entire line died off.

    If there are children in the vicinity of your computer or hand-held device, please ask them to leave the area.

    Here goes.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4c187c2e782fc6ebebe2abc8a918064e617de279e0d3a2195973bd29a349a9c6.jpg

    • safari

      Your paternal great-grandmother must have been really pissed off.

      • another_steve

        Don’t ask.

    • thatotherjean

      Sic ’em, Steve!

  • netxtown

    would somebody please buy this fucking moron a bag of plastic soldiers so he can play war out in the rose garden….

  • Reality.Bites

    How many cars are imported from the EU?

    The hardest hit may be the 1% in their high-end Rolls, Porsches and Jags.

    Not to mention all those people who are now going to have to work at home for g00g| for six weeks now to afford their Land Rover.

    • Stev84

      The ones consumed in numbers are built in the US

    • bzrd

      bot says they got a raise, only three weeks for the Land Rover
      you know, the dumps tax bill

    • JackFknTwist

      Rich people want BMWs and Mercedes; Europeans do not want American Fords ot General Motors RAMs………we don’t like gas guzzlers……..gas over here is expensive so we need small efficient fuel saving cars.

  • DaddyRay

    Obama saved the Auto Industry just to have Trump kill it

  • Sam_Handwich

    o/t

    we made it home from Ptown! most of the cape lost power, including us around 8 last night. was a cool adventure!!

    • DaddyRay

      Glad you are home safe – stay warm

    • MusicBear88

      Last year during Bear Week a transformer blew up down in Wellfleet and Ptown was without power for a couple of hours. I didn’t know why people were complaining; the whole town could have just turned into the Dick Dock…

  • Lazycrockett
    • DaddyRay

      I am curious about why he did it but I also don’t want to encourage any copy cats

      • RaygunsGoZap

        If people are going to shoot themselves, in front of Donald’s White House is a fine place by me.

        • bzrd

          but better the dump is there rather than at mar-a-lardo

    • bkmn

      Was it someone who voted for him that now really regrets not listening to his sane cousins?

  • Nowhereman

    Gawd he is incredibly stupid.

  • jimbo65

    JFC, this man is unhinged. If Hillary had won, to this day he may not have conceded. Would have been a much saner world.

    • He planned not to. As has been clear from multiple sources now, including Michael Wolff’s book, the plan was this:

      – Lose as narrowly as possible
      – Bark loudly that the election had been stolen from him
      – Launch Trump TV with the back of the Mercers and Roger Ailes
      – Broadcast a steady stream of democracy-undermining propaganda
      – Keep on grifting and conning, and depend on Republicans in Congress to ensure his treason was never investigated

  • boobert

    Someone please get him some fast food! https://twitter.com/boobert54/status/970021768483270661

    • PickyPecker

      I always wonder if the orange digleberry ever sees actual real response tweets to his rantings. More likely his turd-sitters filter things and only feed him responses that are good for his fee-fees.

      • boobert

        I think he can’t stand it and looks at responses. That’s why the tweets keep getting more outrageous.

      • thatotherjean

        I wonder if he’s still getting his binder of nothing but good news, twice a day. That much good news must be getting harder and harder to find.

        • bkmn

          Well, Fox is real good at manufacturing it.

  • andrew

    I do think that there is not a level playing field in our trade with the EU. I don’t know what the best answer to that is, but there damn sure needs to be one.

    • BobSF_94117

      A level playing field? In what ways is it not level? Their regulations are greater. Their costs are higher. Their access to raw materials is lower. WE HAVE the advantage. It’s not Europe’s fault American corporations moved all their production to China.

      • Lars Littlefield

        !!!!!THIS!!!!!

  • 604brian

    I really thought that the US was all about free market? let the buyers decide and all.. and then again it’s a joke that the US calls itself the land of the free and freedom for all.

  • Christopher Street

    He won’t do any of these things, he’s trying to distract from the Russia investigation.

    • BobSF_94117

      Of course he’ll do them.

  • DutchGuy

    Price is not the only reason why EU buyers may not be interested in USA-made cars…

  • Sam_Handwich

    march comes in like a lion, etc and so forth

    https://twitter.com/pcavlin/status/970022963486523393

  • safari
    • Lizard

      FSM bless Emergency Kittens.

  • boobert
  • Parque_Hundido

    Trump is a self-extinguishing dumpster fire. Is he poring fuel on himself because he wants it to end faster?

    • safari

      I think this is all he knows.

  • boobert
  • ArchiLaw

    I’m not sure whether he means the BMWs from South Carolina or . . .

  • safari
    • coram nobis

      The Silence of the Damned.

    • Blake J Butler

      Fuck your silence. Action is what is appreciated and needed. To hell with the governors request.

      That happened on valentines day, we are now in March, that time is way overdue to try to have a moment of silence for Parkland.

    • thatotherjean

      Flaming hypocrisy. Vote ’em out!

    • Sam_Handwich

      21-17

  • boobert
    • coram nobis

      Sudden thought: how much hamburger beef does the U.S. import?

      • Lars Littlefield

        Nearly 14 percent of U.S. beef and variety meat production was exported in 2014. so, more than that?

        • coram nobis

          A lot of deforested land in Central and South America for hamburger beef, even so.

    • another_steve

      I occasionally do McDonald’s in the summertime, when I’ve been working in the yard, sweating like a pig and am severely sodium-deprived.

      So I go to my neighborhood McDonald’s, order two “Filet-O-Fishes” (note the sarcastic/sardonic quote marks) and…presto…my sodium level is back to standards.

      • boobert

        I grew up on fast food and I go more that I should. I have evolved to somewhat better choices like Moe’s and Smashburger’s . Our mcdonald’s was torn down and they’re building a new one on the same spot. It was pretty gross and disgusting, but sometimes you just gotta have their fries !

      • Dazzer

        As I have grown older, I go to Macdonalds more often.

        Mostly, though, it’s because I can use their toilets for free and when you get older you need to pee more.

        I buy a £1 burger once every three times I go, so I estimate I pay my contribution to the cleaning costs – which seems about fair.

        • another_steve

          Your posts are always golden, Dazzer, because they’re so non-bullshit real.

          Of course. Their toilets.

          I have Old Man’s Prostate Disease. I can’t be in a car for more than 30 minutes without stopping somewhere to pee.

          Ooh! A McDonald’s! Stop here, hon!

        • Robincho

          A pint’s a pound, the world around…

          • Snarkaholic

            Actually, the British (Imperial) pint is 20 oz. and, therefore, weighs 1.25 pounds.

      • Lizard

        I’ll admit to being a sucker for their smoothies. It’s perfect after a really hot day in summer.

    • Lars Littlefield

      This is going to put a big dent in GM’s upper end Buicks and Ford’s new Lincoln Continentals. The Chinese can’t get enough of them. A full 1/3 of all Continentals built this year were expected to be sold in Jina.

      • boobert

        Buick already builds a few models in China.

  • JWC

    O/T Does the US observe Pink Shirt Day??

    • Sam_Handwich

      what’s that? i have no pink shirts

      • JWC

        It’s an anti bullying movement google it

        • bkmn

          If it wasn’t a thing here already you know it would not become one under Hair Furor

          • JWC

            started by a guy I believe from Halifax been going on for a few years

          • JWC

            do it in spite of Hair Furor

    • safari

      I’ve never heard of it.

  • EdA

    I wonder if this idiocy will affect the 9,000 Volkswagens a month produced in Chattanooga…. VW already has not been happy about the Right to Fuck-over Workers policy of the state of Tennessee.

  • Blake J Butler

    Ok remind me again do his sons and daughters have luxury cars from Germany, Italy, Britain, etc. ?

    Or the wealthy conservatives that drive luxury made european cars from countries that are a part of the EU ?

  • Paula

    C’MON, 82nd Airborne, 1st Armored Division, US Fleet Command, you know what to do. Drain the swamp.

    • another_steve

      Man and I frequently frequent D.C. We live roughly midway between Baltimore and the District and have friends in both cities.

      I really don’t want to have to step over bodies on Pennsylvania Avenue in the vicinity of the White House.

      I mean… I have a delicate disposition and besides – I don’t want Republican remains staining my shoes and pants.

  • SoCalGal20

    So I’ve been at a Mom’s Demand meeting (there were about 200 there!). I see Trump is throwing a tantrum this morning over people not liking his tariffs.

    Also, David Hogg’s twitter game is A+.

    https://twitter.com/davidhogg111/status/969993941343875072?s=21

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/969991653393039361?s=21

    • and a 5 minute turnaround, to boot.
      Well Done, David.

  • geoffalnutt

    Putin wants to isolate the US from the rest of the world..to become “everyone’s enemy.” That’s Trump’s job. At this rate we’ll soon lose our current allies. Watch what he does.

  • worstcultever

    Every day this asshole remains alive the universe can just go fuck itself.

    /Julia Sugarbaker mode

  • Blake J Butler
    • worstcultever

      Now THAT is a toe bean showoff!

    • another_steve

      I’ve been a caregiver for cats for much of my adult life. And trust me, that’s a long time.

      They’re very seductive creatures. They woo you in. They cast a spell over you.

      And then they eat your brain and turn you into a zombie slave.

  • bkmn
    • JT

      The yokels may have meant “impulsive” but “compulsive” fits Drumpf too.

      • brined2

        well, Hillary did turn to the bottle for comfort

        • JT

          Wrong again.

        • Lars Littlefield

          What planet of sick minded people do you come from again? You think it’s cool to just make up shit to see if will stick?
          Excuse me, “House cleaning. emotional cripple cleanup on aisle three, please. Bring HAZMAT suits.”

          • Lizard

            When all else fails, accuse the person you hate of alcoholism, I guess.

            God, they must hate that Hillary is alive, well, and still has a decent sense of humor.

          • Todd20036

            … and not in jail, and not under investigation.

          • Cattleya1

            Block the creep – I did months ago and my life is better. I can tell from the replies what he must have said.

        • Dazzer

          Using bottled Mexican hot sauce to make food spicier is not a recognised medical or addiction problem.

          As I’ve regularly counselled you: Troll better, not more.

        • Lizard

          Oh, fuck off.

          • Brine1

            Zhende ma

    • Todd20036

      Love the redneck tans.

  • Lauchlan Bernard-Christopher M

    Speaking from Europe , Go right ahead p45 what do you export that we want? Chlorinated chicken? Antibiotic tainted beef ?

    • safari

      How about amonia-treated turkey?

      • Dazzer

        You are joking about turkey that’s treated like that aren’t you?

        Please tell me you’re joking.

        • safari

          I bought some packaged sliced turkey once. I seem to remember it being treated with amonia. Certainly some of our ground beef products are.

          • Lars Littlefield

            Almost all ground meats are.

        • Lars Littlefield

          He is not. All of the chemicals mentioned above are standard in processing meats in the USA. Next time you are tempted to buy a bag of frozen shrimp, smell it. Ammonia is routinely used to halt the decomposition.

          • Dazzer

            My jaw has just hit the floor. I’m not joking.

            I’m horrified.

          • Lars Littlefield

            Shall we now discuss the allowable percent of fecal material in commercially prepared ground beef? https://nypost.com/2015/08/24/your-ground-beef-is-probably-contaminated-by-poop/

          • Dazzer

            Oh Jesus Christ, Lars.

            I’ve eaten hamburgers in America!

            I know feel pig sick from ten years ago.

            Can I sue for latent salmonella?

  • safari
    • so wait.
      yep, that makes total sense.

    • worstcultever

      “Child marriage” my ass. It’s the legal selling of tween girls.

    • Clive Johnson

      Conservatism is depraved, generally speaking.

      • brined2
        • Clive Johnson

          I can also find academic research showing the opposite.

          What matters much more is whether the conservative outlook on the world does a better job at two key things: 1. Enhancing human well-being, 2. Embracing the truth about any particular matter and able to construct a complex and accurate view of the world in light of what we know.

          I submit there’s little evidence in support of either of the above propositions.

    • another_steve

      When they introduce a bill to forbid sex with livestock, sparks will fly.

    • Harveyrabbit
    • Lars Littlefield

      Kentucky: the derp derpity derp state.

  • Of course his teabagger base who are all idiots will cheer this crap. We are so fucked. Fuck everyone who voted for Trump. Actually fuck everyone eligible who didn’t vote for Hillary to stop this madness. Fuck all y’all.

  • UrsusArctos 🐻

    Out of curiosity how much steel is in an AR-15 or Glock? At least the arms industry is taking one for Team 45*. The good news there is that some deplorables may get priced out of the market.
    Autos/Oil/White Goods/Aviation/Shipbuilding/Ag are all going to get slammed and they’re red state mainstays.
    Sadly the port of New Orleans is a YUGE bulk Ag/Industrial export port which will get kneecapped as well.

    • yea.
      but her emails…

      • another_steve

        …and she almost fainted getting into the car.

        • and she has…
          well..
          she has a vagina.

          • another_steve

            A vagina that touched the black guy.

  • Ninja0980

    Putin is very pleased right now.

  • Paula

    They won’t be happy until we are all in something like this. Nobody will be able to travel more than 50 miles from home. Those people have too much freedom.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e172172ce202abde628d13d855617a7e8945fc88b4df32555491373223ebe22e.jpg

    • worstcultever

      The Europeans were still doing it with way more style even in the 50s

      (’57 BMW Isetta)
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/635cff6bb9bbb4b3685f472b717b524d3316484ea0769ab228cd1f6be5862543.png

      • Lars Littlefield

        Except if yo had a head on collision, if you weren’t dead you still couldn’t get out of the car because the only door was the entire front of the car.

        • Dazzer

          To be fair, if you were in a collision while in one of those cars, you tended to bounce off the other car and tumble around.

          There were very few fatalities in those cars. It’s one of those weird facts.

          • Lars Littlefield

            My high school had one that the cheerleaders used for whipping up “school spirit.” A blank would be fired and then a kid in the Isetta would chase around another kid on the football field dressed in the opposing teams colors. We all watched as our boy miscalculated, flipped and had to be pulled out of the smashed Isetta by the police and fire departments. Wasn’t pretty. But it got him out of having to serve in Vietnam. So, there’s that.

        • thatotherjean

          Then there is–or rather was, even though I still drive one–the VW Beetle. Bill Cosby (ptui!) did a really funny bit on its peculiarities, including the memorable line, “You have a head-on collision with a dog, you lose!” He was not wrong.

    • Treant

      I want to take that home and feed it until it grows up to be a big car.

    • Tomcat

      Doubles as your coffin in an accident.

    • Friday

      Though that is actually kind of adorable. 🙂 “What are we gonna do with all these extra earth-mover cabs?” *sticking one on golf cart.*

  • Karl Dubhe

    I don’t think he understands how ‘wars’ work. If you attack someone, they’re going to strike back. Does he really not get that?

    Silly me, of course not. Probably thinks life’s a video game…

    • another_steve

      Pundits are saying there’s a good chance Trump’s crony confidants will get to him and say things like, “Donny baby…You know tariffs will affect your and Ivanka’s bottom lines in A, B and C…don’t you?”

      And Donny will think it over and it’ll never happen.

      • Karl Dubhe

        I’m not sure trump can think…

  • safari
    • ok…breathe, get ready…
      HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!
      The Stupid burns soooo much!!!
      SO MUCH WINNING!

    • JT

      That’s what happens when you have Preznit Dumpfuck Drumpf.

    • BobSF_94117

      Again, why the “iconic” US businesses? Why not target industries, like Trump is? I suppose it’s all about getting people’s attention. Sigh.

      • Friday

        It’s perceived, not wrongly, that Americans on both sides overemphasize vehicles and stuff when raw materials and shipping costs are too abstract for a lot of people to bother thinking about.

  • Kevin Andrews

    More of the idiocy of the Shitgibbon.

  • Mark_in_MN

    Why does the president have any power to impose or change tariffs on his own will? Why wouldn’t this require Congress to act?

    • Lars Littlefield

      Oh, you. Askin’ sensible question again. Don’t you realize this is just a smoke squirrel so the country doesn’t focus on his misdeeds with Russia?

  • brined2
    • Friday

      No.

  • worstcultever

    Pooty’s to-do list

    – destroy the USA – check

    – destroy the West & all alliances – check

    Guess he can go to Disneyland now

  • JT
    • another_steve

      Lol! I just made a zombie-related funny – before seeing this.

      I am truly prescient. 😉

      • UrsusArctos 🐻

        You truly do have PMS ESP! *grin*

        • another_steve

          LMAO! I do have a knack for foreseeing the future.

          I met my husband when I was still a twink and he was a 1970s porn-quality mustached hunk who was into twinks.

          So I said to myself at the time, “I sense this will work” – and here we are, about to celebrate our 44th anniversary together. 😉

          • UrsusArctos 🐻

            We’re right behind you at 39 years into our life sentences.

          • another_steve

            Love to you, UrsusArctos.

            Congrats! 😉

          • TampaDink

            Mazel tov to you….and congrats to him.

  • Tomcat

    Keep it up asshole and no foreigner will buy any American product made in America.

  • SoCalGal20

    Luckily, I learned at Mom’s Demand today that there are non-government entities doing gun violence research. UC Davis started a violence prevention program as part of the Public Health school.

    https://twitter.com/theplumlinegs/status/969941077531734021?s=21

  • worstcultever

    OT – y’know, I’d really like to be a fly on the wall sometime when Harry and William talk about their mum

    https://twitter.com/historylvrsclub/status/970021274469756929

    • Lazycrockett

      The Smithsonian Channel is doing a whole day on QE2

      • worstcultever

        Must say my QE2 fandom is fairly through the roof anymore

    • TampaDink

      I hope that they both remember her with love & admiration for her kindness & charitable works. I know that is how I remember her, even though, obviously, I never met her.

  • Scout
    • Treant

      Hey, even the left has trouble with reading and understanding the actual real-life Constitution. Ignoring that the Second exists is one problem. Not bothering with the entirety and implications of the Fourteenth is another.

    • Um, slavery? The vote restricted to white male landowners? C’mon, it’s not even difficult to find the imperfections.

  • Friday

    What a dumbass. Apparently he doesn’t know how many Fords the gals drive in the UK, among other things. The EU mostly doesn’t want our *big* cars because if they want big ones they can have the BMW, etc, and most just don’t. If we make what they *want* we do OK. He’s just unaware of how actually globalized manufacturing is, thanks in part to Republican policies as well as the fact half the companies out there have bought or sold each other at least once in recent decades. 🙂

    What he’s doing is screwing up the fact that they actually sell a decent number of Mustangs now that some meet specs over there, and a bunch of Harleys, mostly as high-margin goods for enthusiasts with some bucks. And that’s just on his thing abotu not understanding *car stuff.* Screwing up all the industry and manufacturing and trade and all the jobs involved *here* with his tarriffs, not to mention screwing consumers everywhere, well, that’s orders of magnitude dumber.

    • another_steve

      “He’s just unaware of how actually globalized manufacturing is…”

      So true.

      Some pundits are saying that Trump’s confidants are, as we speak, calling him at the golf resort – and that this dream “tariff war” of his will soon go away.

    • coram nobis

      Yes, and even if we do make foreign-name cars (Toyota, VW, etc.) in the US, the subassemblies and parts may very well come from overseas, especially the electronics. A trade war would cause price spikes — and production bottlenecks.

    • worstcultever

      I remember seeing various interesting downsized Ford models in Belgium, e.g., nothing like USA market Fords

      • Lars Littlefield

        Fun fact: The Ford Focus was built in Argentina and Brazil a whole four years before being introduced to the USA. They practiced on South America first. And a major portion of Ford’s trucks are built just south of where Trump wants his BIG WALL. The fucking asshole.

      • Stev84

        Ford Europe has designed its own cars for a long, long time. In that aspect it’s almost its own company

      • Friday

        Yeah, they do even smaller ones over there than we see. Smaller streets, more expensive gas, and all.

    • Lars Littlefield

      The plus side is Fix It Again Tony cars imported by FIAT wouldn’t be breaking down on our broken freeways as much. Little compensation for having an asshole as a president, but hey.

    • thatotherjean

      Donnie doesn’t understand much. Globalized manufacturing of autos is certainly within the realm of things about which he does not have the first clue. This tariff is based on his temper tantrum about something completely unrelated, anyway. Steel and aluminum were just the first things that came into his agitated mind. What could possibly go wrong?

  • EDinMCO

    Anybody want to wager when Russia will become our largest trading partner?

    • safari

      Illinois has a larger economy.

      • SoCalGal20

        As does CA!

        • well, CA is gonna fall in line once trump removes ICE.
          *eye roll*

          • SoCalGal20

            I’ll throw a party if ICE leaves.

      • worstcultever

        Dump and his Russo-Pukes will take care of little things like that

  • SoCalGal20

    Europe and others should just cut the US off until we vote in a sane President and Congress. Don’t come here on vacation, don’t buy our stuff.

    • worstcultever

      Srsly. And they should just come out and say exactly that.

    • stevenj

      From Jan 2018 US News and World Report:

      “The most recent data from the National Travel and Tourism Office shows inbound visitors to the U.S. dropped to 41 million in 2017, a 4 percent decrease from 2016, and travel spending dipped around 3 percent. NBC News reports that decline has cost the nation about $4.6 billion in lost spending and 40,000 jobs.”

  • safari
    • safari
      • coram nobis

        What the hell does he mean by that?

        • SoCalGal20

          He’s responding to this tweet from Junior.

          https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/969918871355478016?s=20

          • JT

            Unparalleled insofar as they’re too moderate for such a villainous character.

          • UrsusArctos 🐻

            Maybe there IS a parallel in French history. Mme Guillotine speaks ‘Murkin English, I’m sure.

        • DreadPikathulhu

          A quote that claims that the attacks on Trump and his family are “unparalleled in American history!”

          • Natty Enquirer

            Because President Trump is unparalleled in American history. Lucky us.

      • Dazzer

        He’s sort of right.

        But the only reason US media is being mocked is because they’re not holding Trump or his government to account.

        American journalists used to be considered something to be emulated. But there’s no such thing as a sensible or rational American journalist any more (well, there are great journalists in America – but they don’t cover politics any more).

    • coram nobis

      Nothing good will come of that.

    • worstcultever

      Can you imagine the usual lighthearted political satire/ribbing in this climate of pure insanity? I can’t.

    • Cuberly Deux

      Thought he was at mar-a-grifto.

      • safari

        He and Melania arrived at the grift palace at 4PM yesterday.
        He and Meliana left the grift palace at 1:30 today.
        Your tax dollars at work.

        • Cuberly Deux

          Just long enough to pick up his rusky marching orders? Did anyone check on the yachts in the neighborhood?

  • coram nobis
    • worstcultever

      Hope John Oliver wins

    • Dazzer

      In real terms, the Italian elections aren’t going to have much effect beyond the Italian borders.

      Based on decades and decades of experience, everyone expects the Italians to fuck up.

      The Italians always fuck up. They invaded Ethiopia and lost, for fuck’s sake.

      • coram nobis

        Their wines and cuisine are excellent — and they have high-speed rail, and those trains do run on time.

    • UrsusArctos 🐻

      It’s Italy, there’ll be another government in 6 months.

      • coram nobis

        Yes. The line in Italy is that a government is like a bikini: no one knows what’s keeping it up, and everybody hopes that it falls.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    One reason the EU was formed – was to create an economic power sufficiently large so it need not roll-over whenever the US snapped its fingers. Wonder if it has dawned on any of the rabid Brexiteers (who will soon be reduced to a small economy all alone on the global stage) just how much they have screwed the pooch.

    • Every single one of them who thought they might retire to a nice villa in Spain, Italy, or southern France, needing no visa or residency permit to do so.

      Now they will. And they won’t get them.

    • worstcultever

      Why does everything remind me of pre-WW1 anymore. Just pure idiocy and hubris anywhere you look.

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        The Dotard either does not, or cannot read.
        That’s why he blindly stumbles into and repeats every single error that can be found in the history books.

        • thatotherjean

          Neither will he listen to anybody else, because he’s always convinced that he’s the smartest, most knowledgeable person in the room.

      • Karl Dubhe

        You’ve read history? 🙁

      • thatotherjean

        Think of Trump as Wilhelm II, but not as intelligent. He has all the bombast and bluster and utter faith in his own (terrible) ideas, though.

    • Dazzer

      In all seriousness, the Brexiteers have realised nothing.

      I know I look like I look like an angry Remainer, but Brexit has become a death cult.

      Its supporters are incapable of offering any reason why Brexit makes economic sense, but they have absolute belief in the most glutinous glob of scroungers, charlatans, mouth-breathers, window-lickers and mountebanks that’s ever been assembled on the British political stage.

      • safari

        I recognize those people here in the US.

      • UrsusArctos 🐻

        ‘sOK. in the “New Allies” 45* will be the “Modern Winston Churchill” and defend all us Anglo-Saxons. /snark, but fleeing anyway because I’m sure there’s a beating due in there.

        • Dazzer

          I hope you can hear my hollow laugh over there 🙂

      • greenmanTN

        Window-lickers is a new one to me. I’ll have to add it to my stash. Thanks! 😁

      • Amanda B. Rekendwith

        Mountebanks is a new one for me.
        Didn’t Gloria’s parents, The Upsons, live in Montebank?

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
    • Phil2u

      L O L. She ain’t got no panties on!

    • TuuxKabin

      Drugs. Helluva thing.

    • another_steve

      Lol! Quite wonderful. Thanks. 😉

      You can’t do that with a cat, however.

      If you tried, the cat would bite your scrotum off.

    • worstcultever

      Lol – I’ll see your merengue pooch and raise you a fun Grease pooch

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqbVbPvlDoM

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        The Pooch is a better dancer than the young Travolta.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        Ha ha that’s fantastic

      • I imagine retirement life in Sun City Arizona is full of talent shows like Carolyn Scott and Rookie but not as entertaining — with lots of old Republican voters who really dig Sheriff Joe Arpaio to argue politics with.

  • Makoto

    Trade wars are easy to win!
    You just go with the MAD strategy.

    Not an acronym or anything. I just mean mad. He’s angry and insane. Lashes out randomly at anything moving or shiny, then his spokescritters have to try to pick up the pieces later, while the GOTP keeps hoping nothing too terrible happens before they can dismantle the social safety net and get rid of abortion and protect guns and such. You know, the important stuff.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    OT: Some good old-fashioned economic sanctions
    Advertisers Bolt From InfoWars YouTube Channel, Say They Had No Idea Ads Were Running There
    https://www.mediaite.com/online/advertisers-bolt-from-infowars-youtube-channel-say-they-had-no-idea-ads-were-running-there/

    Among those who had their ads placed on the InfoWars channel but have now suspended advertising with Jones are Nike, Acer, Honey, Alibaba, OneFamily and Moen. All but Alibaba told CNN they were unaware they were advertising on the channel.

    • bkmn

      Someone should start an advertising booking agency that would allow companies to avoid putting ads on extremist websites, or at least the companies booking the ad buys should be able to screen where they are going.

    • Cuberly Deux

      Sorta the fascinating thing about this is all CNN did was ask if advertisers knew their ads appeared on the Infowars youtube channels.

      Then they all panicked and started calling youtube asking WTF?

      Inadvertent activist journalism?…lol….

      • SoCalGal20

        I wonder if Sleeping Giants and Grab Your Wallet will start incorporating YouTube advertising into their effective boycotts.

        • Cuberly Deux

          Ha! If they do, Jones is waaaaaaaay fucked….lol…

          • Dreaming Vertebrate

            Perhaps they could be encouraged.
            {Snicker}

          • Cuberly Deux

            Heh….shaming via twitter sure has turned into a very effective protest tool.

    • Ninja0980

      Let’s hope it continues.

  • bkmn
    • JT

      Teaches middle school? How did she ever get out of middle school?

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Trump has emboldened all these deplorable creatures.
      I hope they fire her. No student should be subjected to monsters like her.

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        PS: And once again we see a white supremacist whose own genetic endowment appears nothing to crow about…AT…ALL.

      • SoCalGal20

        We also need to be diligent about who we employ in places like schools and call out and expose as many of these people as we can.

        • Dreaming Vertebrate

          I’m sure Trump thinks she’s a fine teacher and even finer Nazi. She’ll be one of the first trained to fire an assault rifle and goose-step around the school corridors.

    • Boreal

      Fire that kunt’s ass.

    • Cuberly Deux

      That is one fugly white nationalist.

      • She looks like a cross between Bucky Beaver and a young Helen Thomas.

    • Ninja0980

      One of the fine people Trump and Republicans whom Republicans want to arm in schools.

    • UrsusArctos 🐻

      Sorry, she’s not all that “white” looking to me. Some of my WASP family is so white, they’re almost translucent. She has some “heritage problems” that might interfere with her “White Nationalist” ideas. Cases like her is why http://resistancegenealogy.com sprang up. /snark

  • Halou

    You have time to impose financial penalties against the EU. So I just have to ask, how are the sanctions against Russia coming along?

  • boobert

    What a fucking waste of money ! They went to fl last night so he could play golf, and now it’s back to dc for a press dinner where they make fun of him. I hope they give it to him but good! Let him storm out like a baby. When the fuck is congress and the press going to grow a pair and stop this nonsense?

    • thatotherjean

      I thought he was going to skip that, because he’s such a poor sport. Or is this a different dinner?

  • RJ Bone

    “Massive”

    Is someone going to tell this smeghead to stop associating everything with the lies about his dick? Anyone?

    • another_steve

      Lol. “Smeghead”

      “Red Dwarf” – a brilliant British comedy series from whence the term derives – is yet another example of the Brits’ conquest of comedy TV.

      The Brits may have lost their empire, but they still reign supreme when it comes to TV comedy.

      • JohnJay

        And I am unanimous in that!

      • RJ Bone

        I loved Red Dwarf – I didn’t get much past the first few seasons because I was under a rock and in a shitty relationship :/

        I need to go through the whole thing – I loved the comedy 😀

      • boobert

        I love the british shows ! Allo allo, Waiting for god, Last of the summer wine, and they’re playing a new one about a guy that runs a store that’s pretty good.

        • another_steve

          Here in the states, we’ve had some classic TV comedy series: “I Love Lucy.” “The Andy Griffith Show.” “All in the Family.” And others.

          But they’re the exceptions.

          British sitcom is state of the art. Has been for many many years.

    • Jared does not have any smegma. He is cleancut.

      • Dazzer

        Proof?

        another_steve will cut a bitch until proof is provided.

  • Halou

    EU nations should nationalise any and all Trump branded assets and sell them off to the lowest bidder.

    • LesbianTippingHabits


      Sorry, but the auctioning government would have to pay someone to take them off their hands.

      Sad !

    • Boreal

      The problem is he probably doesn’t own them, they belong to creditors so it won’t hurt dump. Scum like him love to privatize profits and socialize losses.

    • UrsusArctos 🐻

      The EU COULD revoke all his copyrights, trademarks, IP rights, and then make anything 45* public domain, just sayin’

  • Cuberly Deux

    Trump grifts at mar-a-grifto, millionaires and billionaires looking to accrue more and more and more…….and a charity set up after the tragic shooting of Philando Castile pays off the student school lunch debt for the entire district.

    “Philando Castile charity pays off entire school districts student lunch debt”

    “Philando Feeds The Children, a charity run by Metro State University educator Pam Fergus, delivered a $35,000 check to the St. Paul, Minnesota public school system this week, CNN reports, wiping out the lunch debts of all students in the district’s 56 schools.”

    “That means that no parent of the 37,000 kids who eat meals at school need worry about how to pay that overdue debt,” read a post on the fundraiser’s website.”

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/376592-philando-castile-charity-pays-off-entire-school-districts

    • SoCalGal20

      Awwww, that’s awesome. What a great gift to provide in his name.

  • Halou

    “we will simply apply a Tax on their Cars”

    Which is better, BMW or Lada?

    • JT

      My Lamborghini had better be ready before this goes into effect.

      • coram nobis

        There’s also Alfa Romeo and Fiat. What will the Northern League have to say about that to their voters? Especially in Turin?

        They export a fair number of Cinquecento cars to the US. What will Cinque Stelle say?

  • Mike__in_Houston

    In other words, “Nyah-nyah-nya-NYAH-nyah.” God, what an idiot.

    • Halou

      Nyet!

  • JWC

    O/T and again today “let’s all throw Jarod under the bus, under the bus, under the bus Oh let’s all throw Jarod under the bus On a Monday morning

    • Natty Enquirer

      What do we do with a flattened Jared,
      What do we do with a flattened Jared …

      • Dreaming Vertebrate

        Put him in the bed with the captain’s daughter

        Put him in the bed with the captain’s daughter

        Put him in the bed with the captain’s daughter

        Early in the morning

        • coram nobis

          Hey, hey, his debts are rising
          Hey, hey, his debts are rising
          Hey, hey, his debts are rising
          Early in the morning

          Put him in the East Wing until he’s dee-vorced
          Put him in the East Wing until he’s dee-vorced
          Put him in the East Wing until he’s dee-vorced
          Early in the morning

          • Dreaming Vertebrate

            Hey, hey, Mueller is probing
            Hey, hey, Mueller is probing
            Hey, hey, Mueller is probing
            Early in the morning

            Put him in prison with the other traitors
            Put him in prison with the other traitors
            Put him in prison with the other traitors
            Early in the morning

          • Dazzer

            I’m in awe of all you fellows on this thread.

            I’ve been singing along – and it all scans beautifully.

            You can really, properly sing that song.

            WTG sexy creative men. Another super reason why I love this place and its commentators.

          • Snarkaholic

            Who’s that knocking at my door?
            Who’s that knocking at my door?
            Who’s that knocking at my door? asked the shyster Jared.
            Open the door, you treasonous whore! said Barnacle Steve the Sailor
            And I’ll chain you to my basement floor! said Barnacle Steve the Sailor
            I don’t want to let you in!
            I don’t want to let you in!
            I don’t want to let you in! said the shyster Jared.
            I’ll pick the lock with me ten-foot cock! said Barnacle Steve the Sailor
            I’ll pick the lock with me ten-foot cock! said Barnacle Steve the Sailor
            Are we going to the dance?
            Are we going to the dance?
            Are we going to the dance? asked the shyster Jared
            To hell with the dance, and down with your pants! said Barnacle Steve the Sailor
            To hell with the dance, and down with your pants! said Barnacle Steve the Sailor
            etc.

        • Canadian Observer

          I didn’t realize Another_Steve’s dad was in the navy

      • JWC

        a garden paving stone??

  • another_steve

    And of course, there’s Anita Baker.

    A musical genius in our day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlA7-QS1NnA

    • Cuberly Deux

      I’m gonna get slapped for this but I liked her voice and songs much better than Whitney’s. Baker has such a distinctive mellowed voice.

      • another_steve

        I mentioned this in a prior JMG comment of mine – a long time ago, though.

        Whitney Houston is buried in the same Westfield, New Jersey cemetery where my husband and I have burial plots waiting for us (wait they will – for a very long time, if we can arrange it).

        We joke to friends that 30 years from now, when the cemetery gate is locked at night – girl and we are gonna party.

        Party hardy. 😉

        • coram nobis

          Maybe the best collection of musicians is at Père Lachaise cemetery in Paris. Jim Morrison, Edith Piaf, Franz Liszt — hey, you could have a pretty good rock group just with them.

          • Dazzer

            Yeah. But it really stinks though – and the amount of vomit, empty bottle and fag-ends you have to clear out around Jim Morrison’s grave would take the best part of a month.

          • coram nobis

            He could still do the vocals with Mlle. Piaf and do guitar, though he may have a hangover for another century.

          • another_steve

            My husband is a Jim Morrison freak. We have all the “Doors” albums, as well as Morrison’s book of poetry.

            People sometimes forget Morrison was a poet as well as an accomplished musician.

            When we were in Paris in the early-80s, we paid homage to Morrison at his grave site at Père Lachaise. At the time, as you approached the section of the cemetery where his grave site was located, you’d see red arrows painted on nearby tombstones, pointing in the direction of his grave with the annotation “Jim” painted over the arrow.

            Yes, it was a desecration of those other tombstones, but it was part of the…experience…at the time.

            This was a long time ago now.

            I assume the cemetery has taken steps to forbid that sort of thing.

  • bkmn
    • worstcultever

      nice bubbles

      (stepping aside for the inevitable penis food comments)

    • JT
      • Boreal

        Go Gus!

        • JT

          Come, Gus!

      • Ninja0980

        Practice makes perfect.

      • TuuxKabin

        Looks like a green newt, lying across that thing.

      • Lizard

        I find this way hotter than I probably should.

        0.0

        …just a few more cycles. I’ll stop watching after a few more cycles…

        • safari

          It’s that little glance around and kiss that gets me into it. Then that tongue.

          • Lizard

            It’s the lowered eyelids for me.

      • BobSF_94117

        That’s just vulllllllllgrrrrrrr

      • Cuberly Deux

        If I didn’t know any better I’d say he’s done that before.

    • Sam_Handwich
      • safari

        I disagree.

      • another_steve

        Sam, ham is treif (Yiddish: non-kosher). Our imaginary god forbids it.

        A hot dog, on the other hand, is ambiguous. We don’t question what’s in it.

        What we don’t know can’t hurt us.

    • mad-dog

      Ketchup. Heresy!

  • SoCalGal20

    Way to go Texas!!!! They smashed the early voting record and more than twice as many Dems voted early than they did in 2014. In some counties more Dems voted early than in 2016! More Rs also voted but not in the same percentage surge as Dems.

    https://twitter.com/justinjm1/status/970060093550145537?s=21

    • bkmn

      It was such an improvement that the Governor sent out a letter

      http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/375727-texas-governor-warns-of-dems-strong-early-voting

      • SoCalGal20
        • Dazzer

          Thank you. I love it when you provide a follow-up to a news post.

          I have no idea how you manage to be on top of all the news, but I really appreciate it.

          🙂

          • SoCalGal20

            Glad to help! I don’t always follow up as much as I would like bacause I get busy or other things come along.

            Here’s a very informative thread on the TX early vote compared to 2014 and 2016, with easy-to-read graphs and comparisons. TX Rs must be freaking out a bit.

            https://twitter.com/mcpli/status/970028501855363075?s=21

          • TuuxKabin

            You’re FAIR is appreciated. Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting. Thanks again.

          • SoCalGal20

            And thank you! I do try. 🙂

          • Dazzer

            Oh man. I love the fact that the women here are so brilliant.

            I know this doesn’t work in heterosexual society, but I find it an absolute privilege and blessing when a woman here gives me a headache because she makes me think.

            Getting to know lesbians and women in general is one of the absolute best things in the world about being gay.

            Thank you, yet again.

          • SoCalGal20

            Awwwww you sweet talker! I love getting to converse and share and exchange thoughts and info with my LGBTQ brothers and sisters and allies that hang out here at JMG. It’s a true pleasure.

      • Nychta

        He’s getting scared, huh? From the article: “Abbott sent an email to supporters asking for donations and warning that Democratic enthusiasm in Texas could lead to results that mirror the party’s victories in special elections across the country.”

    • JackFknTwist

      That is good news …..I hope the momentum can be maintained.

      • SoCalGal20

        It will be interesting to see how same day voting turns out.

    • SoCalGal20

      From the article in the above tweet.

      In 2014, Republican participation outpaced Democratic participation — 365,423 voters to 226,730. This year, participation in Democratic primaries outstripped participation in Republican primaries — 465,245 to 420,329.

      • TuuxKabin

        I hope it bodes well for Beto.

        • SoCalGal20

          I’m sure Beto has the Dem nom for Senator wrapped up. I do wonder if his run has helped drive early voter turnout for Dems.

          The real race will start after the primaries on Tuesday.

          • TuuxKabin

            Thanks. Sending him a lil’ love note tonight.

          • JackFknTwist

            I’ve just read that article on Beto O’Rourke………it is a potentially cataclysmic confrontation with Cruze, if Beto gets the nomination on the 6th …….and of course if there is a tsunami for the Demos. maybe we will see off that weasel Cruze.

          • TuuxKabin

            A misguided cruze missile.

          • JackFknTwist

            I hope it’s guided to his black heart……he has no soul.

          • TuuxKabin

            Soul of death. Just looks warmed over death on the outside.

          • SoCalGal20

            That would be a beautiful thing. I hope the Dems turn out on Tuesday. They already turned out in a huge way in early voting.

          • TuuxKabin

            He’s all over the state, all the time. He’s the energizer blue bunny.

          • JackFknTwist

            This is really heart warming news.
            I hope the Republicans will waste a lot of their money on the most hated person in the Senate……and lose.

          • TuuxKabin

            Beto IS heartwarming. Easy to find his web page. Love his name, Beto, male Latino names, Roberto, Alberto, Humberto, Rigoberto, and so on are usually called Beto. I think he’s Robert.

          • JackFknTwist

            This is what I read…..link below.

            And let me make the most shallow comment :
            He is incredibly hot in this pic in the article !

            https://www.theringer.com/2018/2/28/16898726/beto-orourke-ted-cruz-texas-senate-race-2018-midterm-elections

          • TuuxKabin

            Hon’, the truth isn’t shallow. He’s one of my ideas of a dream boat. Well rounded guy, plays in a band as well. Kinda guy I’d gladly hold a beer for. I like that he and a fellow congresscritter rented a car and drove back to DC because of flight cancellations, and held way, taking turns, on FaceBook to talk to constituents. He’s a young rare breed.

          • JackFknTwist

            Yes, my type exactly……. has much wider interests than just the gay world, is passionate about politics, and is engaged with the world of getting something done !

          • TuuxKabin

            my take on him as well. I mistakenly omitted that it was another congresscritter, from across the aisle he rented the car with and drove to DC from SW Texas. Good on, and for the both them. I read a daily message from his campaign manager, where they are in the state, where they ate. What he addressed to what community and we give a couple of times a month to him. He’s down to earth. Good upbringing, obviously, plus his own character development. Wish we had someone like him in NYC or state. Danny O’Donnell, Rosie’s brother is our state assembly person, lives and has his office just around the corner. Gay as well. Helps a lot of local/neighborhood groups with sorting out matters. Our congressman, Jerald Nadler, good, nearly progressive rep who keeps us informed. Some days. Hope. Others. Not so much. I truly think we’re going to wake up to a ruined state of affairs at this rate. You’re in . . . the UK? Or Ireland? Pardon my pigeon holing, but I think you mentioned your location once.

          • Paula

            Yeah, he’s a Gringo boy that grew up here.

          • SoCalGal20

            He is! He has or plans to visit all 275 (? – I don’t remember the exact number) counties in TX! Also, he gives me a Bobby Kennedy sort of vibe.

          • TuuxKabin

            Yes. That vim and vigah, toothy smile. He’s a winner in a lot of areas. He’s Irish-Mexican American? Beto. Have many a cousin, Beto. Nice guys.

        • Paula

          Well, I voted for him on Wednesday. There were 5 or 6 people running. I had never heard of any of the other people.
          One of my daughters voted for him, too.

          • TuuxKabin

            Thanks. Good to read that.

    • BobSF_94117

      Early voting for what election?

      • TuuxKabin

        mid term election. chance cruz may become a lobbyist.

        • BobSF_94117

          Voting in March for an election in November? That’s insane.

          Oh, it’s for the primary for November. Never mind.

          • sadoldguy

            Primaries.

          • TuuxKabin

            Not my idea.

          • TuuxKabin

            I did/didn’t.

  • Bill Haffey

    We need to put a tariff on Trump products made in foreign nations. Oh what am I thinking Europe should put an export tax on those products. Imagine how fast #45 would change his mind.

  • JackFknTwist

    Let me speak for Europe :
    “Fuck you, Trump…..you are a petulant turd.”

    • thatotherjean

      You are speaking for somewhat more than half of the US, as well.

  • sfbob

    What a dumbass! European cars sell so well in the US because they’re better than what we make. The only decently made cars produced here are the ones that are actually European or Japanese but are assembled in the US.

    Something tells me Trump will find little support for his proposal.

  • canoebum

    All those Trumpanzees in the South, where most of the European car makers manufacture their cars sold in the US, are going to reap the stupidity of casting a vote for this walking, tweeting calamity. They asked for it, they got it.

    • Ninja0980

      Sad to say but I wouldn’t hold my breath on that.

      • Cuberly Deux

        I don’t know if cause and effect even register on those moron’s brainz.

  • Henry Auvil

    What an idiot.

  • Cuberly Deux

    This is just a sample, big global auto is freaking out right now. What are the chances of new facilities being built now?

    This was just announce in January of this year:
    “It’s official: Toyota-Mazda announce Alabama factory”

    “U.S. Sen. Doug Jones also released a statement, calling the decision to locate in Huntsville “a testament to Northern Alabama’s exceptional advanced manufacturing workforce and further proof that choosing common ground over divisiveness will drive business to our state.”

    (Expected to bring over 4k jobs to Alabama)

    http://www.al.com/business/index.ssf/2018/01/its_official_toyota-mazda_anno.html

    “Hyundai warns tariffs may jeopardize U.S. production”

    Hyundai Motor Co. warned it may rethink how many vehicles it builds in the U.S., joining the world’s largest automakers in speaking out against U.S. President Donald Trump’s crackdown on steel and aluminum imports.

    “Changes to the existing tariff structure could negatively impact our current U.S. production and further expansion,” Hyundai spokesman Jim Trainor said in an email. “Imposing tariffs on steel could increase production costs, which could lead to higher prices for U.S. consumers, and, potentially, decreased demand.”

    • Lizard

      There are small towns that depends entirely on auto plants. There’s a town in my state (can’t remember which one exactly) that is economically dependent on a Kia plant. If that plant closes, they’re pretty much fucked. Trump is an idiot and this is going to hurt his supporters most if the manufacturers decide to pull their plants.

      • Cuberly Deux

        I can believe it.

        Been clicking around just checking out foreign auto manufacturers with facilities in the US, dang, they have a huge footprint here.

        Even though sales have dipped they still export a lot of those vehicles. Found this,

        “BMW’s Spartanburg County plant remains nation’s top auto exporter in 2017”

        “For a fourth consecutive year, Spartanburg County-based BMW Manufacturing Co. was the nation’s largest automotive exporter in 2017. Its total exports for the year were valued at $8.76 billion.”

        https://upstatebusinessjournal.com/bmws-spartanburg-county-plant-remains-nations-top-auto-exporter-2017/

        • UrsusArctos 🐻

          Since the BMW plant there has been a string of auto plants built along the “Fall Line” across the south. For the most part they are along a line where the Piedmont plateau and Appalachians falls to the coastal plain. Textile mills located there from New England last century then moved offshore at the end of the century.
          Now automakers have moved into or near those mill towns.
          BMW/SC, Volvo/SC, Mercedes/SC, VW/TN, Kia/GA, Mercedes/AL, Hyundai/AL, Nissan/AL, Nissan/MS, Toyota/MS.

          • Cuberly Deux

            In OH and IN too. So many of them.

            If the GOP lets donnie get away with this…..oh well, I’m sure they’re more concerned with government enforced pregnancy to term laws to even give a shit.

      • UrsusArctos 🐻

        West Point, GA has a Kia plant. When textiles left, West Point all but died. I expect there to be some blowback on this even from 45* supporters because they have been here before.

    • JT

      Dumbfuck rednecks vote for Drumpf/Rethugs and do themselves in. Fucking morons.

      • Gretchen

        Not just themselves. They hurt all of us.

        • Nychta

          That’s one reason we get so infuriated.

      • Cuberly Deux

        Oh, even when the jobs start evaporating they’ll still blame Obama.

        • JT

          “Obama took our jobs away because he forced Trump to do that tar if thing.”

          • Cuberly Deux

            ThEm glOb-el-IstS DeMoKrEtz Tek ER JeRbS!

    • Nychta

      No worries. Bringing back coal will more than make up for it. /s

      • Cuberly Deux

        Ha!

        You get black lung, and you get black lung, everyone gets black lung!

    • SoCalGal20

      Dems need to make this a message. It’s simple. Your manufacturing jobs are threatened by an idiotic President who doesn’t know how trade works or that these companies produce their cars and goods IN THE US and the Republican Congress who rubberstamps everything he does or tuns a blind eye.

      Just start running wall-to-wall ads in these states that manufacture cars and in agricultural states.

      • Cuberly Deux

        Why do I have the feeling that some of these southern auto workers are staunch anti-globalists, as they’re benefiting from jobs through relative free open trade.

        For the dems to take this on I honestly wonder if they’d have to break it down to some pretty minimal talking-points. Yeah, globalism has it’s problems but it’s also transformed a huge swath of the south that had been moribund for decades.

  • Pete Wascher

    here we go!

  • Lazycrockett
    • Ross

      Every day I am delighted with all the bad news about Trump. Truly, I relish in the bad news even though I am horrified at the same time.

      And this often reminds me of what the last year+ would have been like with Hillary in the White House. For, I am 100% confident that the mainstream media would be endlessly attacking her. And, of course, over nothing. We would STILL be hearing about her fucking emails. The GOP Congress would, I am certain, be having yet another Banghazi hearing or impeachment hearings. The NYT would be having front page stories about X! and Y! and Z! (and all these stories would, of course, later be debunked, but the damage would have been done.)

      So, I am often aware that while I am daily horrified by Trump and the GOP, I am grateful to be spared the CONSTANT anti-Hillary crap if she were in the White House. Indeed, I was dreading this all during her campaign. Instead, I get the joy of constant anti-Trump stories. But these stories are based on something real.

      • bkmn

        We really need to put pressure on the media the way the right does. We need to ask, ask, ask, ask and point out, point out, point out until the major networks and newpapers stop having different standards for Dems vs Republicans.

        • safari

          Moving forward will be hard. We’re in a hyper news cycle. I have no idea how we’re going to slow down. The next administration is going to be beaten to death over very small things because of what we’re going through now.

      • Wisterley

        I couldn’t agree more. I keep thinking that by now we’d have had how many impeachment votes, and the nation at a standstill. The only upside is that the State dept and the other government departments wouldn’t have undergone the same sabotage and our diplomatic outreach would still be in place.

        • Ross

          Agreed.

          And Trump, no doubt, would be having endless LOCK HER UP rallies and CONSTANTLY screaming that the election had been rigged against him.

          I was incredibly enthusiastic about a President Hillary, and looked forward to her implementing the policies outlined during her campaign. In just one example, her environmental plans were dazzling, and VASTLY superior to what Bernie had detailed.

          But, I am 100% certain that the media would have denied her credit for everything. No matter how much better things got, the media would have been fixated on every made-up “scandal” created by the right.

          At least this we have been spared.

          • Wisterley

            All the millions that the GOP spent knocking her down worked. Plus, since most reporters vote Democratic, they are terrified of being thought biased and so…

      • thatotherjean

        True. With Hillary, the Republican Congress and the Press would have been making mountains out of molehills. Instead, they are trying, with less and less success, to make molehills out of mountains. Meanwhile, Trump and his cronies wreck the country.

      • Amanda B. Rekendwith

        I think you really get to see the real person in defeat.
        And more than once, she has been defeated in roles or situations.
        But she keeps on plugging. And is gracious, to boot.
        I hope she has lots of moments to laugh in her life…she has earned that joy,

  • Wuulf

    Trade wars are good and so easy to win. Yeah right.

  • SoCalGal20
  • safari
  • Bonobo

    Could it be there are so many EU cars in America is that they make a better car? Just wondering?

    • Ben in Oakland

      I haven’t bought an American made car in 26 years.

  • Steven B
    • another_steve

      Wait, wait… Is the implication there is that Jones is queer?

      The very thought just turned me straight.

      • Ben in Oakland

        Didn’t see yours as I wrote mine. Greatly Perverted minds think alike.

        • another_steve

          Lol. No problem, my friend. I often do that.

          I think I’m spewing out something really original and sordid, only to find that someone else beat me to it.

      • clay

        No worries, it’s more that he was trying to set his editor up as gay, not necessarily that Jones would want to have sex with a Jew.

        Yep, you read that right, his sexual harassment of his video editor was predicated on his religious harassment of his video editor, just as his sexual harassment of his office assistant was based on his racist attitude about her.

    • Ben in Oakland

      Thanks a lot. The thought of Alex Jones and gay sex has turned me heterosexual, and thoroughly so.

    • boobert

      He reminds me of an old queen from years ago that we called continental connie ! lol

      • stevenj

        Actually he sorta resembles Sean Spicer with brown Mr Clairol. Or Hannah Hallsnatcher.

    • worstcultever

      The real news would be if this POS *wasn’t* into gay porn or belittling black women just cuz he could.

      • Gretchen

        I know better than to read comments anywhere but here. What was I thinking?

  • safari
    • bkmn

      And it will get worse before it gets better

      • safari

        The article notes people in the white house are saying that themselves.

    • brined2

      it seems that charges against Flynn may be dropped. The others are facing charges unrelated to Trump

      • Tulle Christensen

        cite?

        • Ross

          brined2 never cites credible sources.

  • bkmn

    Just saw this in the comments at TPM on their Roy Moore begging story.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e24e56c756365ff12e53d91f4d565e73e60b98659660895d79e662b0fe3b2eb6.jpg

    • Scout

      bravo

    • safari

      What is fantastic is that major papers like WaPo are running the story Moore’s money beg.

    • Cuberly Deux

      His money beg sure is vague on details or having a sense of emergency.

      To your post, sure seems like he wants to maintain the lifestyle he’s become accustomed to.

  • brined2

    higher taxes are good. All socialist governments do it

  • gaymex1

    Just tell me it ain’t so.

    • safari

      Trump was a transfer student to U Penn after daddy bribed them. He graduated from there, but wasn’t a student of Wharton’s MBA program, just an undergraduate.

      • gaymex1

        I didn’t know that, but wherever he went must be totally ashamed of the education he obviously didn’t receive.

      • bkmn

        To get a masters you have to apply yourself. Can anyone imagine Trump working hard for something?

        • brined2

          he’s got billions in wealth

          • Ross

            Oh????????

            We only have his word for it.

            But when an author wrote a book about Trump, and stated that Trump’s wealth was $150-$250M, Trump sued.

            And lost. Why? Because Trump was unable to prove the author wrong.

            Trump appealed.

            And lost again. Why? Because he was STILL unable to prove the author wrong.

    • brined2

      wait for the result before you pass judgment

      • gaymex1

        There is a long history of trade wars not working out well.

        • brined2

          I agree with you totally. However, I think this is Trump angling for a better deal.

          • gaymex1

            Actually I understand that part of negotiation, but in his case it just comes off as more blowhard bullying. Policy is best not tweeted while taking a dump in a golden toilet.

          • brined2

            it’s his style. We’ll see if he’s successful. He did get Boeing to drop $1.3 billion from the cost of two AF1s

          • BobSF_94117

            Yeah, right. $1.3B “saved”. Oddly, no one can point to where those fantasy discounts appear.

          • houstonray

            A quick check of the facts shows that when he tweeted about the outrageous costs, it was “projected” to be $4billion but could go up to $5billion. However the orders hadn’t been finalized. They were basing it on inflation adjusted costs for the other planes originally.

            So he tweeted about how that was so high, cancel the order….

            Turns out once the final costs were actually invoiced, the two planes will cost $3.7billion. SO he took the “projected” costs and when the actual final amount came in, claimed credit for saving $1.3billion.

            Typical…he claims credit for something he had nothing to do with…

          • gaymex1

            I may be mistaken, but I think he will soon have to walk all this crap back.

          • Ross

            Oh????????

            Please provide a link to a credible source confirming what you wrote.

            Note the operative word: credible.

            I’m waiting….

      • gaymex1

        I think I’ve already given the pres more of a benefit of the doubt than he has ever deserved.
        But, you’re right, we’ll see.

    • MaryJOGrady

      Wharton is the University of Pennsylvania’s graduate school of business. #45 somehow got an undergraduate degree in business from the University of Pennsylvania. He did not do graduate work in any subject. Any time he claims to have studied at Wharton, he is lying.

  • BeaverTales

    Mr. Trump has long seized on what he perceives as the unfair barriers that American automakers face in exporting their cars, noting that many Mercedes-Benzes can be seen on the streets of New York but few Chevrolets on the streets of European cities.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/03/us/politics/trump-european-cars-tariff-trade.html

    I just decided to buy a Mercedes Sprinter van because it is the only car on the market that can be modified to my preferred specifications for my disability. I’ve never owned a Mercedes, but have heard good things about them.

    I’ve owned Toyota, Chevrolets,Fords and Jeeps(Fiat Chrysler), but they had lots of problems….Toyotas more so lately, but back in the 80s they were the best car for the money. Not sure if that’s still true. Perhaps the difference is in the perception of quality?

    • Cuberly Deux

      The recalls on toyotas as of late have been increasing. Unfortunate, I used to really like them, but now I’m leaning more towards Subaru. If I could I’d get a Forrester, a friend of mine bought one last year and it’s so well built.

      • BeaverTales

        I’d rather not get a German car after their pollutant measuring computer chips were intentionally tampered with to give false emissions data in the US market. Mercedes Benz had to recall 3 million vehicles because of it. Unfortunately I need lots of specially built disability related technology because I’m turning into a cyborg. 🙁

        • Cuberly Deux

          Yeah, I remember that, so sad VW Y& Mercedes pulled such a vile fast one.

          I can see why you’d like that model though. Access looks much easier.

  • worstcultever

    Hey movie aficionados – remember “The Bad Seed”?

    Well, we’re living in the real-life sequel. Turns out nobody ever stopped little Rhoda, and she became president of the USA.

  • BobSF_94117

    If you want to understand why the U.S. has a trade deficit with Europe, go to Mar-a-Lago. Then go to a luxury resort in Europe.

    • worstcultever

      Wait! Mara Lardo has the *best* hot dogs, plastic caviar sporks, and tarnished, greasy-fingerprint-laden silver service evah!

  • gaycuckhubby
    • safari

      There is a reason. Donald was throwing a tantrum.

  • Henry Auvil

    Bush 2 was dumb, but he had professional handlers. Nixon was a corrupt paranoid but he had intelligence and experience in governing. Trump is an idiot. Have we ever been in a situation like this before? I think not..

    • brined2

      Bush 2 scored higher grades at Yale than Obama did at Harvard

      • Tulle Christensen

        cite? as far as I know neither released their University transcripts

        • sadoldguy

          trump fans don’t need citations, they got faith.
          /s

          • BobSF_94117

            Nah, they got orders.

          • sadoldguy

            AND ELECTROLYTES!

          • Lars Littlefield

            And small dicks. At least in my experience.

      • Lakeview Bob

        Prove it or don’t make ridiculous comments.

        • Tulle Christensen

          Why go with provable facts when you can just pull shit out of your ass?

      • matrem

        Wow, you actually typed that. Meth must be a hell of a drug.

      • Henry Auvil

        Obama was elected by his peers as President of the Harvard Law Review. Bush 2 was a cheerleader at Yale.

        • Brine1

          First Law Review president to have never been published. First Law Review president selected for diversity rather that academics.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Whats up with two profiles?

          • Tulle Christensen

            How many accounts did Putin have you sign up for?

          • Henry Auvil

            Profiled in the NY Times as the first African-American to win that honor, which led to his publishing contract to write the memoir “Dreams From My Father”. Your move, braindead.

          • Obama won a mess of scholarship money. Like, the Bigly kind. Only idiots don’t understand this fact. I don’t even like him, but I was at Chicago when he was and I know what he got.
            More than I did, and I got a lot. His money funded his place at other schools; his wife (who I know) is the main reason why he ended up at Chicago.

          • Henry Auvil

            Who is paying you? Putin or the Trump reelection fund? I don’t care, because I’m done with this thread, and you are either an idiot or a russian bot who got into the wrong website. People on here are intelligent and savvy. You’re wasting Putin’s rubles, asshole.

          • Riiiight. Look, troll I own this blog. No one here knows who you are. Go back to Russia and let the adults talk, m’kay?

          • gaycuckhubby

            Lol. I used to get called a troll all the time here for some pretty moderate stances. this guy is ruining it for me

          • brined2

            Obama’s autobiography was written by Bill Ayers, a guy from the block and small c communist

          • gaycuckhubby

            Btw, any evidence to back up your original claim?

          • Tulle Christensen

            Yea, I am still waiting for Bush’s and Obama’s grades

          • Henry Auvil

            Did you somehow get lost on your search for Brietbart or infowars? You are in the wrong place troll.

          • Rascal

            BeGone Troll

          • gaycuckhubby

            I’m fine with people not agreeing with me. But show us where you get your info

          • sadoldguy

            It is a trump fan, no info involved, just shit stirring.

          • Bryan

            It doesn’t even have an original name. It can’t be creative. Must be paid by the Cyrillic. Time to think of a new name is time spent not trolling for Putridump.

          • Lars Littlefield

            Crickets. I hear crickets. How about you gaychuckyhubby? Those are definitely crickets.

          • gaycuckhubby

            I hear The Magnetic Fields “69 Love Songs”
            That album should have gotten more attention. An unapologetically queer and exubarant and morose album

          • stevenj

            He is a troll. I’ve blocked him but he has a second “brine” account now which I am going to block pronto. Multiplying like a trojan horse virus.

          • clay

            Bush 43 wasn’t even eligible for the Law Review office. Maybe Obama’s candidacy was weak, but at least it existed.

      • Tulle Christensen

        Dude put up or shut up. post link to Bush’s and Obama’s grades

      • Lars Littlefield

        Oh yeah? Obama has a bigger dick. Neener, neener, neener.

        • Tulle Christensen

          Have you seen more than I have?

        • Brine1

          I’m sure. Those people are gifted.

          • MaryJOGrady

            Lilli von Schtupp certainly thought so.

  • Scout
    • clay

      When people say they don’t believe that Trump would, or that Trump needed foreign assistance, remind them that the Trump campaign has already been found to have solicited foreign funding, twice after it was told to stop it.

  • Cuberly Deux

    DOH! I was going to mention this yesterday. I know some JMGers are vid game players sooo00000 get ready for another SQURREL issue…..

    Trump’s summit on video game violence. This is a HUGE evangelical pet issue. Interestingly, no video game companies have been invited, in fact they had no idea about it.

    I’d wager that attendees are going to be predominately southern reps and sens, throw in a few evangelical preachers of course. Maybe even dominionist DeVos. Though, it may not even happen, after the drama of this past week, they may just let it go. The tariff drama sure seems to be what’s taking over all attention right now.

    “Video game companies unaware of Trump’s summit on video game violence”
    “The meeting is supposed to take place next week”

    “At an official briefing yesterday, Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders announced that the president planned to meet next week with leaders from the video game industry “to see what they can do on that front.”

    “This came as news to many of the biggest companies in the video game industry, which not only had no plans to attend the summit, but were unaware it was taking place. Representatives of several major game companies reached by The Verge were caught off-guard by the announcement, and we were unable to locate anyone in the industry who had been contacted or said they would be willing to attend. The Entertainment Software Association, an industry group that represents companies including Microsoft, Electronic Arts, Nintendo, Sony Interactive Entertainment, Capcom, Square Enix, Ubisoft, and Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, responded with a statement that both denied knowledge of the meeting and pushed back against its premise.”

    https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/2/17071586/trump-video-game-violence-summit-esa-gun-control

    • clay

      You should include the Sec. of Health and Human Services, Kellyanne Conway, and the Dir. of the CDC on that invitees list, but other than that . . . yeah.

      • Cuberly Deux

        lol…why do I have the feeling they’d shun most governmental agencies from attendance.

    • bkmn

      So another thing Trump pulled out of his ass, like tariffs.

      • Cuberly Deux

        This plays to the NRA and evangelicals so it isn’t really a surprise. If the conference actually happens it’d only be from a push by the NRA and evangelicals. They’re desperate for excuses for violence and godlessness.

  • Tempus Fuggit

    We’re gonna bring back the ’57 Chevrolet! No burdensome, job-killing seatbelts. Real (LEADED) gasoline. It’s gonna be beautiful, the best! #maga

  • SoCalGal20

    Another TX early vote post. This twitter thread is really great and informative. It has easy-to-read graphs showing the differences in voting by Dems and Rs compared to 2014 and 2016. Lots of great trends for Dems, not so much for Rs. We have to wait to see how same day voting turnout is on Tuesday but if Dem enthusiasm is as high as for early voting Rs will be freaking out.

    https://twitter.com/mcpli/status/970028501855363075?s=21

    • worstcultever

      SCG, thanks always for your indefatigable informativeness!

    • BobSF_94117

      I guess the comparison he’s making is mid-terms to mid-terms, cuz otherwise, it’s pretty depressing. If a year of Trump doesn’t bring out a lot more voters than the complacent 2016 elections, we’re doomed.

  • StevenMN

    What’s this asshole going to do about European brands like BMW, Mercedes and others that have manufacturing plants in the US. They’re on US soil, paying US taxes and paying US employees

    • worstcultever

      At some point it will be the captains of industry who demand this toddler and his toddler shitshow be given the hook.

      • Lars Littlefield

        True. For all of Trump’s bragging about what a great businessman he is, he doesn’t oversee the manufacture of anything except bullshit.

        • stevenj

          Add to that list lawsuits and bankruptcies.

    • thatotherjean

      I doubt that he thought that far. I doubt that he thought at all.

  • Lars Littlefield

    OT: Marital Bliss Destruction Averted at DEFCON 3.08, 3.09, 4.0 . . . .

    It’s important to know that Luis and I have never argued or been remotely upset with one another. Yeah, I know. It’s not normal. That said . . . . .

    I was hanging with the chickens discussing their various future roles in my universe when I heard Luis yelling from the back porch. I shortened our life coaching conference to see what was happening. I discovered Luis in a dark mood. Darker than I had ever seen before.

    “We need a new big screen TV,” he scowled. The POS we bought last year is dead.” he growled.

    I checked the connections. I even took an AMP meter to check the cables. Everything seemed in order. But he was right. The TV was dead. Our DirecTV Genie receiver was a workin’ great. But the TV? Not a pixel to be seen. I tore down the system, disconnecting everything and putting it securely back together. Nothing.

    Luis was fuming. I got us a couple of beers and sat him down.

    “What kind of new TV would you like us to buy? There’s enough time to drive into town and buy a new one.”

    He mulled it over and then told me a 105″ Class 105S9 Curved 4K UHD Smart TV was nice. I calmly said that a $111,499 TV was nice, but not in our current budget. I asked, “What else do you think might be good?”

    “And 80 inch samsung?” he asked.

    So, we located a TV online for sale in Moab that we could afford. We put our coats on and got ready to shut up the house while we would be gone. I flipped on a light switch in the den and we headed out the door. Before we had locked up the house we heard music and cheering. The TV we bought last year had magically come back to life.

    It seems while we were on our trip last weekend the Begay Sisters, the cutest little couple of Navajo maidens you’ve ever seen and who are always in a state of giggle, had unplugged the TV while cleaning and plugged it back into an outlet controlled by a light switch. Whoops.

    Luis is happily locked into watching Club León vs. Pumas de la U.N.A.M. He’s so butch when he watches Primera Divissión Fúbol. 😉

    • Tulle Christensen

      Steps to take with a device that is not working

      1) Make sure it is plugged in
      2) Make sure outlet has power
      3) Check connections
      4) Check power supply

      • Lars Littlefield

        Well, at least I now know that we have one outlet in the den that is controlled by a light switch. None of the others are. I’ve just finished checking. 🙂

        • JT

          There often is one in a room that doesn’t have an overhead light.

          • Lars Littlefield

            I think it’s a trick played on us by bored electricians.

          • BobSF_94117

            Nah, the trick is the plugs by the nightstands in the bedroom. Lamps light up when you flick the switch on your way into the bedroom. But later that night, when you’re all snug in bed and dozy, you have to choose to turn off the lamp (and risk confusion the next evening) or climb out of your warm bed to hit the wall switch.

            That clapper thing isn’t as silly an option as the commercials would have you think…

          • Scott Carpenter

            My bedroom has the same thing, but I’ve beaten it.
            “Hey Google, could you turn the lights off?” makes everything nice and dark. Philips Hue and Google Home.

          • Lars Littlefield

            Note to self: Buy several clappers.

          • Cattleya1

            2/3 of the outlets in my house are connected to light switches – and after 18 yers, I still forget which ones they are. Not to mention, all the switches which I have no clue what they do.

        • Restarting worked for me today.

          • safari

            In this internet-of-things age, when my router goes down, my outlet hubs and light bulbs hum away, trying to reconnect. It’s odd to live in the future.

    • TrollopeReader

      yep.

    • Hue-Man

      My (CRT) TV started acting up last week – an orange flash of light on the screen followed by shutdown. I said “That’s odd”, waited a few minutes, then turned on the TV, and there was light (and sound). This happened a few more times and I had this sinking feeling that the end of my TV was nigh.

      It then struck me that the TV will soon be 15 years old and has never displayed even the most minor ailment. I doubt I will say the same about its successor; we now expect our electronics to see an early grave.

      I don’t look forward to shopping for a new TV, knowing that most models are designed to spy on viewers to gather more data for our digital overlords in their pursuit of even greater profits.

      • Bryan

        You just get used to mentioning a company in the teevee’s presence only to see an ad by them you’ve never seen before ever a week later. It’s barely even freaky anymore.

      • safari

        My Vizio had spying turned on by default. It’d capture a few pixels every so often and use that to determine what I was watching. I turned it off — after a few complaints from it. Or at least I think I turned it off. I’d ask Alexa, but i feel she’s listening to me type right now.

    • SoCalGal20

      I love your slice-of-life stories. 🙂

    • stevenj

      Luis and I have similar taste in dream tvs.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Luis and I have similar taste in tv watching

        • JCF

          One glass of Cabernet down, JCF thinks: “Wait, you’re ALL married to guys named Luis?” ;-X

    • fuzzybits

      Never argued???!!!

      • Lars Littlefield

        Never There is no point. So, why?

    • Cuberly Deux

      Why do you insist on informing us that life still goes on in the midst of trumpian catastrophe!!!!!!?!?!?!?!

      I am soooooo kidding, I loved every word of your post. Life goes on, and in the most familiarly practiced ways of comfort.

      Give Luis a hug, ya’ll are so lucky. 😉

    • Cattleya1

      I stand in awe of people who can fix things… I don’t have a mechanical or electrical cell in my body. I make a great phone call, though.

    • Talisman

      Are you sure the maidens plugged in wrong? Luis might have been playing you for an upgrade 😛

    • Amanda B. Rekendwith

      Hahaha. Good one.
      Thanks, OBAMA!!

  • Lazycrockett
    • gaycuckhubby

      Obvi a joke. But still unsettling

      • TrollopeReader

        as Sarah would say, “he was joking, don’t you guys know a joke?” …but then adds ” the tweet speaks for itself” ….

      • BobSF_94117

        Who makes jokes about the rise of a dynastic autocracy in China?

      • Dazzer

        I’m interested – not looking to set you up.

        Why do you think that’s a joke?

        • gaycuckhubby

          I think it was his attempt at self deprecation

          • thatotherjean

            I think you’re way too optimistic.

        • thatotherjean

          Because the alternative is too horrible to contemplate.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Yep. This too

      • SoCalGal20

        I doubt it’s a joke. Trump has long admired dictators.

      • DaddyRay

        Jokes always have a grain of truth otherwise he wouldn’t have even thought to say it

        • JCF

          Agreed. Joking about dictatorship is a sign of sliding towards dictatorship.

        • bzrd

          my mom always would say, “Many a truth is spoken in jest.”
          As a psychologist, she would have had a lot to say about the dump

    • Karl Dubhe

      That’s really not something you joke about when you’re the leader of a democracy. Unless that ‘democracy’ is in South America, and sells lots of bananas.

    • MikeBx2

      I wish Obama had “joked” out loud about this more often. GOP heads exploded because they imagined he wanted to be President for life. Some would’ve had an actual stroke if he had said it.

      • boatboy_srq

        I still think that if Obama had come out in favor of regular respiration and hydration, and against oral consumption of bleach, the US wingnut problem would have been permanently reduced by at least 10%.

    • Bryan

      To save time I’ll phrase it – Raise your hand only if you’re actually surprised by this.

    • worstcultever

      This country still has no idea what it’s dealing with, depths-of-evil-wise. When we finally wake up, everything we knew will be a smoking ruin.

  • TrollopeReader
    • gaycuckhubby

      Holy shit! Stay safe

    • fuzzybits

      Stay safe and dry.

    • worstcultever

      I’ve always been attracted to forbidding, powerful, desolate seascapes – maybe cuz of their sheer power to shut up my busy brain

      • safari

        I blame my mother’s love of the Dark Shadows TV show.

        • worstcultever

          🙂

    • TrollopeReader

      probably blowing a solid 40-50 mph right out of the North .. I’ve walked in worse … but still …..oh, and somewhere in town yesterday there was a gust of 93 mph !!

  • fuzzybits
  • Lazycrockett
    • Tulle Christensen

      Well he was really busy depositing his new NRA check

      • Talisman

        There was a foam party that night.

      • sadoldguy

        More likely rubio just doesn’t care about a bunch of dead kids.

    • Natty Enquirer

      That was little of him.

    • worstcultever

      What condolences could he offer? He’s on the guns’ side.

      • TampaDink

        He could…and probably eventually will, express his heartfelt feelings of the ammo that gave it’s life to take out 17 human beings. That poor ammo will never shoot off again.

        • Jean-Marc in Canada

          I can see it now:

          “My fellow citizens, today we remember the sacrifice made by the 62gr Fusion .223 rounds at Parkland…and now, LET US PREY”

          • TampaDink

            “Amen. Praise the lard & pass me the collection plate.” Marco Rubles Yo

    • BobSF_94117

      I actually prefer politicians who don’t exploit victims. Keep your condolences and pass some laws.

    • greenmanTN

      He probably did call to check on the condition of the gun though.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Well, he is a republican and the poor thing is only 15.

        • TampaDink

          In republican circles, that means she’s been old enough to fuck for several years.

          • Talisman

            But only women.

          • TampaDink

            Only women….publicly.

    • ohbear1957

      He phones only if the victim was in utero at the time of the shooting.

  • Talisman

    I’ve been thinking about buying a new car…maybe sooner than later.

    • TrollopeReader

      oh no worries….. Wilbur said it was a minor cost to can of soda or beer, ..and since cars are made of 34,000 soda/beer cans, and 12.293 cans of soup … you’ll be fine …an extra $9.23, +/- ….

    • peterparker

      My Tesla is made in America and the best car I’ve ever driven.

      • Talisman

        I can’t afford the 30K USD for a Tesla. And I need something that doesn’t need charging. I can’t upgrade my electrical situation to accommodate the car, and neither can my family (who live over 300 miles away, which is the outer range of most electric vehicles).

        So, yeah, at best I can get a hybrid, but I’m pretty much going to have to get a traditional car.

  • JT

    So that’s what happened to the vodka.
    https://i.imgur.com/JNM9fb3.gif

    • -M-

      turnt.

    • Lazycrockett

      Whats up with the ears?

      • JohnJay

        I know with pugs, as puppies… people who show and want to have the ideal triangular stiff ears… will tape them into that form. As they grow over the next weeks/months… they will grow to stay that way. Otherwise, they can fold/crease into what is called a rose ear.

      • JT

        Probably the victim of ear cropping, unfortunately.

        • fuzzybits

          Disgusting.

        • JCF

          No it’s not cropping.

          • JT

            Are they your dogs?

          • JCF

            No.

      • TrollopeReader

        it’s a goatling !!

      • worstcultever

        Humans suck and can’t let animals, even animal friends, just be what/who they are without doing bullshit to them for stupidity reasons

      • JCF

        They’re pinned. To train the ears to stand up (pretty standard for some breeds, like German Shepherds and Dobermans). Whatever you think of this, it’s NOT cropping (which is an abomination).

    • BJORN RAGNVALDR

      I think those are Anastasia Beaverhausens new rescues.

  • Wow we got some trolls tonight! Fun indeed.

  • Scout
    • TampaDink

      In the words of Kathy Griffin….”Holy Fuckballs!!!”

    • Treant

      A “joke” is not impeachable and it’s really not at all wise to make that mistake. First Amendment, people. It applies even to a complete idiot.

      If he makes any move toward working in that direction, then yes, it’s time.

      • gaycuckhubby

        That guy is an idiot. He’s nothing but clickbait. If Hillary won he would be on the other side

      • lymis

        It’s past time. But not for that reason.

    • safari

      Obama “joked” about a third term once via a comedian.

      The right shat themselves.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Wtf? This guy needs to stop.

    • fuzzybits
    • JohnJay

      Unfortunately, I wish he’d said something disparaging of his base. Like
      “They really are dumb, you know. You can put anything over on them. Look at the tax plan. They think they’re getting something great. But it’s really us (his billionaire friends) who got the prize. And the evangies! They’re just nuts with all that Jesus crap.”

      We really need something like the Romney 47% speech… but more like I described above.

      • sadoldguy

        trump fans would not care.
        It is a cult.

        • JohnJay

          I bet if he was overheard saying he wasn’t afraid of hell, because he really isn’t sure there IS a God. I bet that would cause a dent in his numbers.

          • TampaDink

            I wouldn’t be so sure. Evilgelicals have brushed off his 2 divorces, affairs & pussy grabbing comments. They’d probably just as easily forgive him for “blasphemy”.

          • David Walker

            I want it to be on TV after one of his bouts with rube oratory.
            A person can wish…
            https://youtu.be/ez5cTYL4paA?t=2m39s

          • TampaDink

            This person can & does wish for a great many, unfortunate things happening to McDonald Twitler.

          • lymis

            I agree. They’d just spin it somehow.

    • gaycuckhubby

      This will be such a non-story

    • Maybe alternative we’ll alternative give alternative that alternative a alternative shot alternative some alternative day alternative

      That’s how SHS and the other one (KC) will spin it.

  • sadoldguy

    My prediction*:
    All this tariff and tax talk will come to nothing, like most of his “great ideas”, he likes the attention and commotion caused but doesn’t care about the underlying issue and won’t follow through.

    * My accuracy is less than coin flipping.

    • JWC

      Remeber his “no transgender”in the military

    • worstcultever

      Possibly the most astute comment on the whole matter.

      • BJORN RAGNVALDR

        The third martini has kicked in.
        😎😚

    • another_steve

      I’ve been hearing that same prediction from others.

      Any and every day that the media are obsessed with something other than Mueller and Russiagate is a winner for Trump and his fellow criminals. Doesn’t matter what the “other” obsession is.

      As long as it’s not Mueller and Russiagate.

    • safari

      I think this may go through unilaterally because he is using his ability to claim national defense issues as the reason for the tariff. The power to do so is already granted by Congress.

    • fuzzybits

      I imagine him after something like this happens hiding in a room alone and “trying” to skip.

  • JWC
    • safari

      Beautiful.

    • fuzzybits

      Looks like some capri wearing going on.

      • safari

        Can we take a moment and look at the man on the far right… who seems to be blocking part of the ocean?

        • You sir, are one true homosexual.
          Bravo!!

        • Bryan

          Once it hath been seen, it canneth not be unseen. Who would want to tho.

        • JT

          He’s just excited to be participating in this manly event.

        • Sam_Handwich

          what’s the guy in the middle doing?

          • safari

            Same thing the man to his right is?

          • JT

            It’s a pissing contest between him and the guy on the end.

      • JCF

        I’m guessing biker shorts.

  • safari

    Any thoughts on the newly opened discussion on masculinity? The Michael Ian Black letter referenced in the tweet’d column below is here: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/03/opinion/sunday/boys-men-masculinity.html

    https://twitter.com/thenation/status/970071097159888896

    • gaycuckhubby

      I read Blacks tweet storm on the subject. I thought it was brilliant

      • worstcultever

        I’m a fan of MIB and also his excellent podcast. Somebody had to start this discussion, and he’s done a very careful and empathetic job.

    • JT

      Keep your fucking hands off my masculinity.

      • safari

        I don’t think anyone is coming for it. But Michael Ian Black’s initial comments (and letter) on the subject ask about what is it that makes our boys broken — enough to commit mass murder. Part of the problem, he states, is that the language simply doesn’t exist to discuss their problems. Women, he notes, have had decades worth of study and discussions and, by many metrics, now achieve more than their male counterparts. The article above is trying to extend that comment, but in a particular direction. MIB’s initial comment is the seed from which a lot, I hope, is produced.

        • JT

          My comment was not about his article but rather the one in The Nation.

        • JT

          I think there is room for discussion and the people it can most benefit are heterosexual men. But some of the current crop of feminists could benefit from it also, as I indicate above in a reply to Treant, who quite adeptly indicates some of the ways they go off the rails.

    • another_steve

      Two thoughts:

      (1) “Racism” is best described as the inappropriate/nonessential reading of race into things and topics where it doesn’t belong; and

      (2) Nothing at all wrong or undesirable with traits we define as “masculine.” Nothing at all wrong or undesirable with traits we define as “feminine.” Both, all, are perfectly human.

      If society would allow it, all human beings would fully exhibit both and all.

    • Treant

      Meh. It’s pop psychology’s union with an attempt to impose a gender-wide inferiority complex in a not very good three-way with the more toxic end of the feminist philosophy.

      It’ll die, hopefully painfully, poleaxed on its own errors and transmitted hopelessness.

      • safari

        You don’t think masculinity in general needs words?

        • Treant

          It has them, insofar as English has words for finely-delineated emotional states (mostly, it doesn’t, but neither does any language).

          Oh-so-subtly, the concept of getting rid of masculinity (so subtle it’s right there in the headline) in favor of…well, there’s really only one other current set of definitions…is painfully obvious.

          I don’t define as female, but also don’t tend to define my interests as either male or female as they’re all masculine–I’m the one doing them in this case. And I’ll sit for about two seconds while being told how “broken” I am.

          That’s a cult technique from way back.

          • JT

            The Nation article is dripping with this nonsense. If the same kind of thing were attempted by a male about “femininity”, it would be mercilessly attacked and viewed with horror.

            The trouble with this kind of thing is that there actually is room for a productive conversation about the subject. Heterosexual men could benefit tremendously from partaking is such a conversation with gay men. But that doesn’t happen as much as it should. Instead, when this topic is brought up, post-modernist feminists co-opt the conversation with incredible arrogance, and often the very people who could most benefit from a productive conversation, namely heterosexual men, simply get more of the same kind of nonsense that produces the questioning in the first place.

            The current crop of feminists really do need to avoid language like “males are broken” or “we need to get rid of masculinity” or “toxic masculinity”. That type of language is counterproductive and results from a mindless acceptance of some very dubious theory. This “theory” usually has a ridiculously mistaken historical element to it. Notice the nonsense about “masculinity” being constructed in the last few hundred years. The author of The Nation article advances this completely uncritically and uses the supposed authority of a book she claims is “seminal” (LOL). Clearly it’s a very bad seed, if it really is one.

          • Treant

            ^^^ This. My general point as always, but you said it much better than I do.

            But then again, I have no patience with radical feminists and simply punch their “men are toxic and broken” cards before permanently blocking them. I’m not above a little taunting, either.

            I also find the historic element disquieting and inaccurate, to say the least. If anything, the concept of gender differential in terms of employment and law has been eroding in the last few hundred years, faster than it has even before that.

            And so on and so on, but anybody who would benefit from reading what we wrote has already blocked us in a huff, so… 🙂

  • Michael R
    • safari

      ZB 😀

    • worstcultever

      My ZB fix, complete with tail perfection!

      thank you *off to die now*

      • Cuberly Deux

        Don’t die.

        We’ll get through this….

      • Amanda B. Rekendwith

        ZB’s joy is palpable in the tail wag.

    • Natty Enquirer

      I hope that veterinary science will one day find a way to remove that spherical growth from her mouth.

    • Cuberly Deux

      ZeeBz!

  • Blake J Butler
    • Um.
      Fucking good luck with that bullshit.
      (why the fuck won’t my wish come true?!)

    • Friday’s_cat

      Remember how republicans had their knickers in a twist cause Obama was going to do that?

    • Hue-Man
    • David Walker

      Well, why not? He’s already emulating the shoot now, ask questions later terrorist dictator in the Philippines, so why not this? He might face a little more push-back, but he knows we’d all go for it eventually, right? He needs to give up golf and hang out at a target range.

    • djcoastermark

      I have a feeling t rump already thinks he is just about there as dick tater for life. He believes that the 2020 elections will cement that thought. At the rate he’s going, maybe he really is president, for the rest of his and only his life.

      • worstcultever

        He’s torn up every law and norm from day one in spectacular fashion with zero pushback, why would he have any reason to stop, or think there is any limit?

        • TampaDink

          Once you’ve begun wiping your ass with the Constitution, Charmin never feels as good.

          • safari

            Paul Ryan’s tongue comes to mind.

          • TampaDink

            Yes….but then you have to wait for him to stop quoting Ayn Rand & shut the fuck up to lick your shitter.

          • safari

            You make a good point.

          • TampaDink

            Not very often…but every now & then.

          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            Oh my gawd….I hate it when I get a talker describing what their gonna do to that pretty thang before just getting to it! The things I put up with. Well, at least it ain’t a republican down there.

            EDIT: …..but I digress….

          • TampaDink

            Avoid allowing any republicans anywhere near your genitals. It will not end well, you’ll be unfulfilled & they’ll spend the night crying & imagining new ways to encourage their elected representatives to make your life harder….and not in a good way.

    • jimbo65

      That’s what worries me. That this asshole will try a coup and try to suspend the election. Conspiracy nuttery I know. It’s the same thing they accused Obama of thinking about doing. However, I can totally see this nut bag trying it.

      • Blake J Butler

        Actually, i was thinking that he’ll have a big fit when Mueller gets enough evidence against him, he resigns or goes to jail refusing to resign, and tweeting that his followers start a civil war because their president was “unlawfully” put away

        • TampaDink

          And, although his fan base is, at best 30% of the adults in the country, they are rabid, with nothing to lose…because they are, for the most part poor. So that is a deep concern for me too.

          • KnownDonorDad

            What at least some of the 30%ers must know, deep down, is that civil war is miserable. From Antietam to Vicksburg, no one stopping to think it over for a moment wants a rehash of that.

          • sadoldguy

            Unfortunately, his base is made up of non-thinkers.

          • TampaDink

            ^^^THIS!^^^

          • TampaDink

            Those people are not the type to stop & think it over…hell, they’re not the type to stop…or think.

          • thatotherjean

            Whatever his base does or does not think, they are no match for tanks, drones, and trained soldiers. I can’t see the Armed Forces siding with Trump, if it ever came to that.

          • TampaDink

            I hope that you are right. I worry because he’s somehow managed to draw in some career military minds into his “cabinet”.

          • thatotherjean

            Fortunately, they all seem to realize he’s nuts.

          • TampaDink

            Yet some of them continue to work with & not against him.

          • thatotherjean

            For some of them, he may be a nut, but he’s THEIR nut–which is somehow better than the other party’s sane person.

    • thrunch

      Everyone MUST vote democratic up and down the ticket this fall. Our democracy is only safe when we vote for people who want democracy. Listen to that recording … his 1% wealthy friends and sycophants scream and applaud their approval of the idea! We need democratic state legislators so we can get an amendment to rescind Citizens United and take the country back from the wealthy 1%.

  • Friday’s_cat

    Trump on auto tariffs: “No more Yugos flooding the streets of America!”

  • safari
    • worstcultever

      Most important/interesting story in the nation currently, natch it’s barely being covered

    • safari

      It should be noted that the pay raise is only one issue. A primary concern is their health benefits.

      • safari

        ‘murika: a states’ worth of teachers must strike for affordable healthcare.

  • fuzzybits
    • gaymex1

      Since I’ve been there, I could almost laugh…but not quite.

      • David Walker

        There was nothing more that I wanted to be than an English teacher; whether American lit or English lit, didn’t matter. I was going to be the best teacher the world had ever known. And then I couldn’t get hired. Now I don’t know how long I would have lasted. Teachers are an amazing breed of humans.

        • gaymex1

          I can certainly remember my exceptional teachers…I was really lucky. There were many.
          Sorry you couldn’t get hired. I think (I know) you would have been fantastic. Your posts here attest to that.

          • David Walker

            Thanks, gaymex, but I think I would have called it quits when my job became teaching the tests…being forced by the administration and school board to do that so the school district could get more money. It’s not that I’m incorruptible, but that strikes as being so far from teaching that it wouldn’t be worth it.

          • gaymex1

            I’m with you there. I just wanted to teach them to think for themselves and to learn how to ferret out information on their own. I never would have been good at teaching for tests.
            I gotta admit that I do miss the vitality of youngsters and their simple joy in exploring the world around them. I had to give it up…just not enough pay to get by.

  • gothambear

    He really is heading us into a global trade war which could create another depression…time to put everything into cash…

    • houstonray

      Wish hubby and I could do that with our 401k’s. Ugh.

    • gaymex1

      …and then what? We did that last week. I’d rather sit with cash for awhile, but the question then becomes which currency is least likely to collapse if Trump starts a trade war. Nothing is simple, but I’d rather miss out on the possibility of gains and preserve capital. It’s hard to recoup at my age. Timing is difficult, but things just seem too heady. I already suffer from loss of sleep over Trump. I don’t need to be wiped out on top of it.

  • Blake J Butler
  • Lazycrockett

    NEW
    SNL
    NBC

    • jimbo65

      Thanks. Was wondering about that. Let’s see if they can find some humor out of the goldmine of wtfs this week.

  • safari

    I haven’t seen this yet, but I’m going to start watching it. If you ever want to know more about Flint’s past, I strongly suggest Michael Moore’s “Roger and Me”, which documents the decline of Flint in the mid-80s. Flint wasn’t always this way. I found a book, once, that was about Flint being the model American city as written in the 1960s. It was held up as the pinnacle of the middle class and ended with a bright note looking toward the future that never was.
    https://twitter.com/ASafariOfMine/status/970112220200923137

    • LosFelizGuy

      Roger and Me was an eye-opener for me, IIRC. The evictions, oy vey. So horrible.

  • coram nobis

    Putting the car tax before the horse, and maybe we’ll need the horse again.

    • safari

      Nah. We’ll just switch to a subscription self-driving service.

  • Sam_Handwich
  • Blake J Butler
    • Lazycrockett

      The debate was tonight and Lamb is setting himself up as a very very very conservative democrat ,who doesn’t believe in medicaid for all or any type of gun reform. Which I guess makes sense in the district he is running in.

      • jimbo65

        So sounds like if Manchin loses and he wins, then it’ll just be a swap out of DINOS

        • Blake J Butler

          I hate Manchin, but no one else but him can win in that state. With the way the climate is, either fishing for a conservative democrat, or its a fully blown trump republican, I’d rather have a conservative democrat instead of evan jenkins or a shelly capito, which she gets passed over as a rockefeller republican which is laughable. He’s not 100 percent useless, but when it comes time for the votes and the party needs to be united in the senate on big drama type bills he does tend to, and i emphasize on that word tends to, tends to vote in alignment with the party on some occasions.

          His reasoning is different for the reason why he votes in alignment with the party but like i said he’s not completely useless. I’d trade out my reps for a conservative democrat right about now.

          • Ninja0980

            Agreed.

      • Blake J Butler

        The thing is though, if he wins he wins, if he loses, with the map for the 18th, it would be extremely hard for him to win with the fairer map since the 18th would become more republican than it already is. But the 14th district is more less republican with the new map and it may make more sense for him to try again in November for the 14th district, where most of the previous 18th district was anyway. But because of the way the lines are now drawn, it may be more easier for him to win in the 14th.

      • safari

        Someday I want an electorate of usual republican voters to be ready to hear the message “are you hurt enough yet?”

    • JT

      Ms. McCoy is ignorant and moronic.

    • thatotherjean

      Too soon old and too late smart, this lady.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Treant

      And “Widening of Inquiry” implies that no charges against the inner cabal are forthcoming in the near future.

      • Lazycrockett

        Well Mueller can probe anything he finds in the on going investigation. This Jared/Qatar could just have been recently discovered and is being looked into and has nothing to do with Russian collusion part.

        • Treant

          Data so far indicates that Mueller won’t charge the Asswipe in Chief when he admits to directly obstructing government in his own Twitter and TV appearances.

          Also, as usual, this is leaking right after a terrible news week for Herr Diktator. Just enough to keep you from picking up the pitchforks.

      • Ross

        You have little confidence in the Mueller investigation.

        I have a lot of confidence.

        Only time will prove one of us correct.

        • Treant

          Near-zero. So far it’s been smoke and mirrors with only two even tangential people charged.

          • Ross

            Mueller has been on the job less than a year.

            I never expected him to round up the whole corrupt regime STAT.

          • Treant

            Mueller’s been collecting that sweet government paycheck for a year. We’ll be saying two years next February. Data does not indicate he’s anywhere near completion, and there’s no way he’s going to be amending charges.

            As noted, except for efficiency, a complete farce and a real investigation tend to look the same. You have to look and see what isn’t happening to tell the difference.

          • bkmn

            Developing a case that is likely to bring a conviction takes time, especially when there are as many people involved as there are in this. I think he will get Trump and his inner circle. I hope it will also bring down the NRA, Teavangelicals, several large banks, several Russians who now live in the US, most of Trump’s cabinet and some of his wealthy donors.

          • Ross

            Mueller was appointed May 17, 2017.

            His investigation is less than a year old.

          • Treant

            Enough. You win, it’s all just flowers and rainbows out there in Mueller land and he’s gonna charge Trump and get him out of the White House.

            I’d quote Alexander Pope, but…

    • safari

      We break stories now at 9 on a Saturday.

      How far we’ve come.

      • David Walker

        People caught on about the Friday night news dumps.

    • sadoldguy

      If someone is willing to associate with trump, it is likely they are scammers, grifters, cheats, lairs, dishonest, naive or stupid.

    • DoctorDJ
  • safari

    Personal O/T: I have a *lot* to do tomorrow, but I’m staying in. I want to make a meatless dish but don’t feel like pasta or soup. Any thoughts about something I could make ahead for the week that isn’t one of those and doesn’t have meat?

    • coram nobis

      Eggplant pasta? Or maybe caponata?

      • safari

        I’ve never tried caponata. I did just have eggplant lasagna this week, though.

        • coram nobis

          Sicilian dish. Eggplant, tomatoes, capers, green (Castelveltrano, preferable) olives, parsley. Recipes online. It can serve as a vegetable course, a side dish, a main entree. It’s also good served cold on toast as a spread or appetizer.

          • coram nobis

            PS. And no pasta.

    • jimbo65

      Spinach Lasagna rollups?

      • safari

        I’m trying to avoid pasta just ’cause I’m sick of it. But thank you.

    • Treant

      Call out for Chinese delivery, call it a done deal.

    • Sam_Handwich

      quiche

      • TampaDink

        Mushroom crust quiche.

    • gaycuckhubby

      A gratin? Potato or squash

      • safari

        I have never succeeded in making a gratin that I found satisfying as a meal.

        • gaycuckhubby

          Hmmm… yeah, better as.a side

          • safari

            You are making me think casserole, though.

          • misterjack

            Moussaka, sort of a Greek lasagne, made with layers of vegetables instead of pasta. It traditionally has ground lamb in the red sauce, but I often sub mushrooms, instead.

    • gaycuckhubby

      I had a great eggplant “lasagna” recently with eggplant layers in place of noodles

    • gaycuckhubby

      Polenta stuffed peppers (pablanos?) Rice
      Marinara or Cream Sauce

      • TuuxKabin

        POblanos. Po.

        • gaycuckhubby

          Right you are!

          • TuuxKabin

            And you to, to be eatin’ ’em. Gawd, they’re good.

    • David Walker

      When I was a kid, there were…how shall I say?…lean times and not much in the way of food. I didn’t realize it then, of course, because we always had something on the dinner table. One of mother’s favorite creations (and mine, truth be known) was a large bowl with Saltines, warm milk, and just a dab of butter, served with a side of kidney or lima beans. Not a Julia Child creation, but it worked.

      • safari

        Never underestimate saltines. They provide one of the things often missing: delightful texture.

        • TuuxKabin

          Good for acid reflux as well. The bicarbonate soda soothes.

          • gaymex1

            I guess it’s too late to jump start the stove (and hubby) with chile rellenos–yum, poblanos stuffed with cheese then rolled in an egg batter and deep fried. Reflux redux. Damn I’m hungry now.

          • safari

            I’m aiming for your suggestion.

          • gaymex1

            Buen provecho. They are so good.

          • gaymex1

            Buen Provecho.

          • TuuxKabin

            la señora, as we like to call her, pushes a shopping cart of Coleman coolers. On some days she has chili relleno. There’s no taste like ’em. We almost can do them as well at home, since it’s the polano flavor that is the thrill. I wonder if she’s out this late. Nite nite.

          • gaymex1

            You are lucky to have la senora so close.
            Please tell her that her cart will be our first stop if we ever make it to NYC–after saying hello to you guys.
            Poblano with a little char…unbelievable flavor.

          • TuuxKabin

            She’d be thrilled to serve you. She’s industrious and knows where to sell. At construction sites. Many Mexicans and Latin Americans work there. In bad weather she sets up just inside an out of order phone booth with a beach umbrella attached. We were afraid for her, she was probably laying low when ICE was ramping up their raids, may they all die the death of Herod. Next time we see her, we’ll pass a message along to her. Provecho!

          • gaymex1

            Just got back from Merida a while ago and feel beat–Had to make a Costco and Home Depot run–or I would have responded earlier. I could use a wonderful relleno from La Senora…had to settle for a slice of pizza from Costco. Not bad and I was happy to devour it. The streets were so quiet in el centro. almost surreal…then we found them all…COSTCO. There was barely room to turn around. Anyway, home now sipping an alcohol free frozen limeade. Delicious.
            Have a good evening and enjoy life as best you can in the Age of Trump. Resist.

          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            My grandmother used to crumble saltines in buttermilk and eat with a spoon every night before bed.

          • safari

            Warm or cold?

          • TuuxKabin

            Sounds perfect for a bedtime snack. On grocery list. Thanks.

        • TampaDink

          My long suffering spousal unit introduced me to something he created out of necessity in college, Cracker salad. It began for him as the basic iceberg lettuce & tomato offering that his college cafeteria claimed as a salad bar. He added crumbled saltines & mayo (since they diluted all of their salad dressings 50/50 with water.) He still enjoys it…35 yrs. after college.

        • My grandma could get 11 blintz leafs out of one egg and some flour. She would fill them with potato and onion, or some leftover cheese that was around, or anything leftover – so good. Very inexpensive. When you make the pancakes (blintz) use a clean metal or teflon nonstick pan – and quickly make the pancakes. RECIPE i found —
          https://idahopotato.com/recipes/grandma-roses-idaho-potato-blintzes

      • TuuxKabin

        One of my favorite crackers! Saltines work wonders.

      • gaymex1

        Many years ago I had a friend who bragged about being able to make a decent meal from almost nothing. I still remember canned tomato sauce that he crumbled saltines in and topped with whatever cheese he had in the fridge. It really wasn’t bad and it kept us going between paychecks.

    • worstcultever

      I’m in a sick-of-eating, also fuck-cooking mode at the moment. Solution at present is those hard-boiled, peeled, reddy-to-eat eggs they sell at the supermarket. Must say I’d seen those things forever and wondered what on earth weirdo would buy them, but oh well there you go. Packed with nutritional brilliance/instant sustenance till I care about cooking again.

    • Cackalaquiano

      Black bean salsa: black beans, salsa verde, some tomatoes, sauteed bell peppers, corn, salt and pepper to taste. Eat it with chips, in a tortilla with lettuce and sour cream, fry it with an egg on top for breakfast… lots of ways to eat this for the next few days.

  • worstcultever

    With Joe off wherever all these hours now, I feel the need to send Shelly some scritches. Please join me all Shelly fans.

    • safari

      Also nuzzles.

    • jimbo65

      He does need to give us an update on her and with new pics. Wonder if the cativersary of her adoption is coming up?

  • Lazycrockett
    • Talisman

      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

      ETA: Did not realize he was gay. Another who came out too late, but an amazing actor nonetheless.

      M*A*S*H only really started working for me when the characters of Blake & Burns left the show.

    • bkmn

      It had been so long since I had heard anything about him, so I figured he was in poor health.

      • William

        He made a great guest appearance on Frasier.

        • KnownDonorDad

          His guest appearances were always a treat. Heck, he was a guest on Star Trek: the Next Generation.

        • KnownDonorDad
          • TampaDink

            Thank you for sharing this clip, especially since John Mahoney also died just a month ago.

      • Ninja0980

        You knew it wasn’t good when he missed the 25th anniversary of Beauty and the Beast.

    • KnownDonorDad

      He played the quintessential snob with a heart of gold. Loved Maj. Winchester.

    • David Walker

      His scene watching his Asian musicians being hauled off while playing the music he taught them still gets me…probably the most devastating departure in the final episode. At least for me.

    • M Jackson

      There will also aways be his gorgeous narration at the beginning of Disney’s “Beauty And The Beast”.

    • Ninja0980

      RIP David.

    • DoctorDJ

      I’ve felt this way, here in the state of Trumplandia, since Nov. 9, 2016:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPVfLmkRFKI

      …and bladder CA is a shitty way to go.

  • JCF

    FUCKING POS: closet case Ryan Anderson is currently on CSPAN2 dissing Trans people! >:-(

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c0f71f43c3718db3f1d3c6b6e493423602721c81af597cf4854144f131eaab0e.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e36b92db4af96de9396124531d9824ef7a74e06986721c8a3adcbd0f8a65c648.jpg

    OK, time to contact CSPAN. Putting this bigot on: whose genius idea was this???

    • safari

      Who is Ryan Anderson and what is his issue?

      • bkmn

        closet case Catholic boy who is in his 30’s, never married, yet thinks he is an authority on marriage, gay people and many other subjects

        • BJORN RAGNVALDR

          ‘Catholic’ would have saved you some keystrokes.

          • safari

            I was once thought to be catholic. I said, truthfully, I was baptized Presbyterian. The response was instant, “I thought you were all dead.”

      • JCF
      • Sam_Handwich

        she’s got more issues than cosmo

      • Talisman

        Check out the Slowly Boiled Frog blog….he is often featured there…he apparently has a degree in music & philosophy, and thinks that makes himself an expert on marriage, gender, and sexuality issues.

        • safari

          One can always take their own biases and turn them into their own logic.

          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            I will be quoting you in RL without credit, just so ya now, thats great.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Asshole

    • JCF

      Here’s the contact info: [email protected] Email them to complain!

      • gaycuckhubby

        It’s like bringing David Duke on to discuss race relations

      • JCF

        People on Twitter: PLEASE sound off here! https://twitter.com/BookTV/status/970094034650877952

        • KnownDonorDad

          “offers his thoughts on the transgender movement and public policy on gender identity”

          Let me take a wild guess: not in favor?

          • JCF

            It’s all the same crap of 50 years ago: “how bad parents turn their kids gay”…only now it’s Trans.

          • safari

            Even a crazy libertarian should promote people just being themselves.

          • KnownDonorDad
          • sadoldguy

            The feeling I get from most libertarians is that they approve of all the awful stuff the republicans do, they just don’t want to be responsible for defending it.

          • JCF

            “Locker rooms WAAAAAH!”

          • JCF

            “Safety concerns! Perverts will ‘use gender ID policies’. Now quoting TERFs.

        • JCF

          Trashing anti-conversion laws. “They’re suing us, Wahhh!”

        • JCF

          Where are you all on Twitter? Please! Two out of three comments are approving of this asshole!

          • M Jackson

            I was just there JCF giving CSPAN a resounding “fuck you”. Thanks for sending me there.

          • JCF

            Huh, why am I not seeing it? [Twitter, moderated? O_o] Just the same 3 comments: two positive (towards Anderson), one negative.

          • M Jackson
          • JCF

            Am still confused why this doesn’t show up on the CSPAN twitter [But thanks]

    • JCF

      This bullshit is taking place AT the Heritage Foundation. Do ya think there will be any critical questions? /s

      Sycophant Q 1…

      • JCF

        “Compassion” = ***segregation*** into single-occupancy restrooms. “We can’t allow you into the bathrooms YOU feel comfortable in”. FUCKER!!!

        • JCF

          Responding to a question re “women who use the men’s bathroom when there are long lines”, he says “we’re not looking to police bathrooms”…

          …this just after he said “We can’t allow you to use the bathroom you feel comfortable in”. Got it? Bathroom policing ONLY for Trans people!

      • JCF

        Lies, lies and MORE LIES re gender confirmation surgery. “No sexual function”

        • gaycuckhubby

          Well that’s just bullshit

      • JCF

        Now trying to glom onto MeToo! Argh, sending HATE rays at this mofo POS!!!

    • gaycuckhubby

      I feel for you, JCF. It’s infuriating to me to see this. I can’t imagine how sickening it is for someone with a trans identity.

      Much love to you tonight. you are one of my favorite people on here 😊

      Your kindness and compassion and understanding shine through your comments

      • JCF

        Thanks, cucky. Much appreciated. I just stumbled on this BS, scrolling through channels. It’s cast a foulness over my evening. >:-/

    • JCF

      It’s finally over. How many lives were damaged by this shit? I can imagine parents of newly-out Trans youth saw it, and thought “Well….”

      • gaycuckhubby

        And this is why trans representation in media is important. Give this parents a chance to see authentic trans lives and authentic trans voices. To dispell some of this fear-mongering

        • JCF

          I just watched my recording of the premier of “Good Girls”. On the one hand: reeeeeally not my kind of show (the background music, the dumb laughs, the way our central characters are idiots: yeah, rob a grocery store—there will be no problems!)

          On the other: the youngest (of the 3 women, Mae Whitman) has a genderqueer child (called “Sadie” and “daughter”: presumably female-bodied, but I’m not sure how the child IDs). Speaking of representation (damn, if I could have seen something like this 40 years ago!)

  • blackstar
  • Nychta

    Stepped away from 24/7 madness to watch Netherlanders enjoy frozen canals. Brought back memories of skating and skiing when I lived in Wisconsin, especially cross country skiing on a railroad embankment bordering a marsh near my apartment.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/03/ice-skaters-amsterdam-frozen-canals-europe-freeze-storm

  • fuzzybits
  • houstonray

    OT: Watching the finale of Blue Planet II and the focus is on how much plastic is in our oceans. Stunning and infuriating.

    • Sam_Handwich

      hubs was pissed off he got a paper straw in his drink in Ptown the other night until i explained the problem

      • safari

        Paper straws are a thing? I ask since I like straws.

        • Sam_Handwich

          yeah, it was pretty thick, maybe wax coated. but it’s not the type of thing you leave sitting for hours on end in liquid, they tend to start to fall apart. maybe there are better versions out there

      • Treant

        “Honey, you suck my dick. Deal with a slightly inconvenient straw.”

        • safari

          Once upon a time I was at the big gay midwestern conference of undergraduates in Columbus. (My twin was there, too. And I was dying of something. My fever broke just before the story, and my boyfriend at the time complained that I drenched him.) Anyway, it was before RuPaul’s keynote. We were in a “Snow Emergency” and the highways were being closed. We were sitting in a venue that required folding chairs and had a wooden floor: a gym perhaps? Arena? Anyway, the young twinks (two years younger than I) were having a fevered discussion. “What is felching?”. In the end they turned and asked: does it require straws?

          What could I say to such youthful ignorance?

          • safari

            Edit: Not rimming. Felching. A darker question.

          • Lazycrockett

            I think every young gayling has a reaction when they find out what felching is or snowballing for that matter.

          • safari

            My mother, after seeing “Stepmom” requested my brother or I look it up. I don’t think we ever returned an answer.

          • safari

            (It being snowballing)

          • gaycuckhubby

            Pro tip. Don’t play cards against humanities with your inlaws unless you want to answer some really uncomfortable questions. On the upshot you’ll learn that straight people and gay people aren’t all that different, they are some kinky motherfuckers too

          • safari

            My twin and I want to use it to deconstruct our entire family in front of one another.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Lol

          • gaycuckhubby

            Oh boy! That changes things!
            Maybe straws are involved. Lol

          • safari

            (It took me a moment to rewind the tape. I just knew “straws” and “anal” were where my memory starts.)

          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            That being said, I’d go with a paper straw, never thought of using a straw………

          • Treant

            I suppose you could use a straw but…

            OK, now I’m slightly nauseated.

          • safari

            A gentleman who is now *restricted* who I *restricted* asked: “What kind of prep does that take?”

          • houstonray

            I think I just threw up a little in my mouth….

          • safari

            You’re right. Why wouldn’t one use a tongue?

          • David Walker

            “Yes. And use chocolate for lube.”

        • Reality.Bites

          Isn’t that what dicks are?

    • safari

      George Carlin suggests we are here to produce plastic. Then mother nature will kill us.

      That said, geologists have found that, as of 1950s, we are creating our own layer in geologic time.

      • Treant

        That latter statement is always true of any age and any species. 🙂

        I’m not so sure about the former. So far, bacteria are happily degrading oils, PCBs*, dioxin*, and polyester. Given time, one may very well evolve to consume each type of plastic. There’s energy locked in them there polymers…

        * PCBs and dioxin are produced in nature in small amounts; dioxin most notably when chloroflorates are exposed to very high heat.

    • fuzzybits

      A lot of people don’t love their mother.

    • Treant

      Us home cosmetics and soap and lotions people are even discontinuing plastic glitter since it causes problems. We’re now using eco-glitter, made from rayon so it’ll decay pretty easily and won’t clog oceans.

      I’d already switched to mica long ago; mica sinks, is native to the environment by the tera-ton, and isn’t harmful.

      • houstonray

        Awesome!!! Thanks for this info…

        • Treant

          You’ll also want to avoid anything advertised as containing “micro-beads” or the like. More natural things like oatmeal and whatnot are great, though less often used as they have a definite expiration date…

      • safari

        The Great Lakes environment is damaged by plastic beads. There is a great movement to restrict them since we can’t get them out of our water.

    • worstcultever

      No words are sufficient to the horror of humans and especially the plastic.

      Then again several recent articles I’ve seen (mostly Guardian) show some real awareness/urgency and beginnings of pushback. As usual, the kids.

    • Natty Enquirer

      I worry about it every time I pull the plastic throwaway plug from my milk carton. Seems they all have them now. I remember when paper milk cartons were just paper.

    • Cuberly Deux

      There’s a small well established market in Piedmont that actually offers olde style milk, ie; in reusable glass bottles.

      You buy the milk from the market, when finished bring the jugs back to the store and they’re washed and reused.

      I just learned about this late last year and I was stunned. A relic from the past that was so smart so clean and so waste free, except for that cardboard disk that stops the bottles of course, but still.

      I REALLY wish there was a push for this paradigm again. Reusing containers vs tossing away.

  • blackstar
  • blackstar
  • DaddyRay

    Rented “Three Billboards” – Lovin it

    • I didn’t know it was out already, thanks for the advice!

    • M Jackson

      Every time Francis Mcdormand opened her mouth the audience in the theater erupted vocally —“whoa! She did NOT just say that!”
      I said it was like “Get Out” for white people.

    • Sam_Handwich
      • safari

        Never enough BillBear

    • Nychta

      Saw it last week with a friend. We went to a theater. My friend walked out for a bit just before the fire-bombing scene. He said the story was too dark for him and he needed a break. I didn’t need a break.

      To me the story was about the consuming power and eventual futility of anger. My favorite character was the sheriff.

    • gaycuckhubby

      I watched the shape of water the other night. So good

      • Snarkaholic

        Did he really eat a kitty?

        • JCF

          Yes. Just one though—Giles, the gay neighbor, has several. Later, Fish Dude comes to understand that cats are pets, not food, and is shown petting one of the other cats.

      • JCF

        It’s my pick for Best Pic (and the Sacramentan in me has a soft spot for “Lady Bird”).

        I haven’t see “Three Billboards”: nothing about it appeals (though I respect FMcD).

        Have seen (besides Shape, and Lady Bird) Get Out, The Post, Call Me. Still want to see Phantom Thread. Have hemmed and hawed re Dunkirk. No interest in Darkest Hour.

        Didn’t care for Get Out (made no sense), or Call Me (don’t know what I was expecting, but it wasn’t that). Just my 2c.

        Liked The Post, but it’s not particularly inspired. And same, truthfully, w/ Lady Bird.

        Shape is it.

        • gaycuckhubby

          I still have to see 3 Billboards and The Post. I really likd Get Out, but I’m not sure about a best picture nominee. I didn’t like Call Me By Your Name. (Partly for the casting)
          In God’s Own Country was good, I was hoping it would get nominated for best foreign picture

          • JCF

            Casting: that they cast a 30 year old (who, IMO, looks 35) to play a 24 year old, and a 20 year old (who could probably pass for 15-16) to play a 17 year old? To MY eyes, the *look* is problematic.

            …but I knew that going in. That wasn’t what bothered me. It was the disjointedness of the script. I’ve seen a Guadagnino film before (really liked “I Am Love”—though also because I saw it w/ a dying friend, and it moved us both), and I just don’t remember it being so choppy.

            But mainly for this scene:

            No, not the peach! THAT was a good scene. No, it’s where Oliver tells Elio, “grow up, I’ll see you tonight”…

            …and then Elio goes and bangs his girlfriend? What the frelling fuck?! I just HATED the little creep there. WTF did that girl do to deserve to be treated like some kind of fluffer? Gay men treating women like shit, BTW, is *one* of the worst stereotypes about them. Way to reaffirm that, storytellers! [I don’t know if that scene’s in the book or not. I have heard “Oliver eats the peach” though! ;-X]

    • worstcultever

      I know I’ll like that one too – also would still like to see Lady Bird (half the viewers seem to say meh, nothing happens, but I bet I’d like it)

      Anyway – GET OUT – BEST PICTURE, PERIOD

      • JCF

        It’s a well-done coming of age story. The acting is wonderful.

        But look…SACRAMENTO! 😉

        One “only a native would go ‘Huh?'” moment: when Lady Bird and Julie are down by the river (good ol’ iconic Tower Bridge!). Sun on the horizon—we’re led to think they’ve been out all night. It’s dawn.

        But hey, the camera is looking WEST (The sillouette of Ziggurat building in West Sacramento). That’s not dawn…it’s sunset! 😎

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e30d057432c8dd68acc9f6762fa6bfb2f2818ce20290132cf81cf52308964ce5.jpg

    • Cuberly Deux

      Francis McDormand can do no wrong….lol…well, except for that Transformer movie…bleh…lol….

    • Stev84

      I saw the trailer for that during another movie. So unexpected. Everyone laughed.

  • Blake J Butler
    • safari

      He truly is America’s Sweetheart.

      • BJORN RAGNVALDR

        And his Mom sounds like a hoot, too.

        • DoctorDJ

          Wise woman…

    • MikeBx2

      Sound advice. 😉

  • OT- everyone saw David and Cameron on Bill Maher last night?
    https://youtu.be/jcsKMie6M94

    • safari

      I… worry… *click*

      • Those kids are fearless. Everyone here in Broward/Palm Beach is worried about them, and very proud.

      • Ninja0980

        Don’t we all.
        Especially since there are peers with different viewpoints that the right are quickly propping up.

    • safari

      *sigh* They will take down David.

    • Lazycrockett

      I do recommend Overtime over at youtube. It was good lastnight.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        They impressed to be sure,though I do confess Cameron’s tea sipping attempt was a bit cringe worthy. What I really liked was when they decided to go toe to toe with the adults, going so far as to blurt out “Fucked” a couple of times. Articulate, bold and fearless, exactly what America needs in the age of NRA/Trump. Best quote: “They work for us, we don’t work for them”

    • bzrd

      Thank you, Eddi
      I don’t have a TV
      These kids are so articulate, smart and impressive.

  • Blake J Butler

    Eh. I feel sad that trump came before the right to choose, would save a lot of headache and heartaches right about now.

    Only a fucking dumbass would call for the death penalty for opioids, especially him since that would wipe out a sizable portion of his base , especially in states that he won that are whiter than mayonnaise.

    https://twitter.com/politico/status/970134750261366784

    • safari

      I don’t care why he said it.

      Drug use is a result of a much broader problem. For users it is not a default position. Studies show that drug use is a *symptom* of isolation.

      • Blake J Butler

        This is from the same man that is initiating trade wars because “he’ll win” he and the people he surrounds himself with do not want to examine the underlying factors that lead to opioid addiction.

      • safari

        (Edited: Clarity)

      • jimbo65

        His whole idea of going after dealers to abate the opioid epidemic is batshit crazy. Just totally misses the point of big pharma’s role in the crisis .

        • sadoldguy

          Looks like they are doing something without harming profits. Win – win.

    • Lazycrockett

      So we are putting the CEO’s of the pharmaceutical Industry to death??

    • SoCalGal20

      Worked for the Philippines, why not!! /s

  • Blake J Butler

    How old is this picture. I just found it and i’m not sure if this is very recent, or before he solds his “values” to become a dotard.

    And Donna, that bitch needs to be kicked to the unemployment line away from the DNC. She had her picture made smiling with David Clark Jr. (AKA Uncle Ruckus), in the lobby of a trump property, she’s associating with the enemy, while she also tried to sell a book of lies trying to ruin Democratic races last year.

    https://twitter.com/TheRickyDavila/status/970028512966070277

    • safari

      I have no idea what is going on here.

      • Donna Brazile – who crapped all over Hillary as the former head of the DNC by saying that she rigged the nomination against Bernie (which even if it were true was said in a way that came across as a cheap shot to sell her book) is in a photo with Scaramucci, the prick who even Trump threw out of his Staff as communication director after only a few days. It is a nauseating photo — is it photoshopped? I can’t believe it is real.

        • bzrd

          the scare has lizard skin on

        • Blake J Butler

          She did have her picture taken with David Clark Jr. in the lobby of a property, the name of the building was wiped across the elevator picture. It was a trump property where the picture was taken.

          https://cdn1.ijr.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/clarke_brazile_2-e1510177895869.jpg

          • Oh man, he is horrible! He is nasty even to black people. He is simply a disgusting bigoted asshole. How could she????

          • Blake J Butler

            Exactly, and the name of the building is scrubbed across the elevator if you find the original tweet from David Clarke, you can make it out what it spells.

            She did this, while promoting the book, and what really turned me off of her.

          • SoCalGal20

            And that was AFTER her book came out.

        • Blake J Butler

          So which is why i am inclined to believe that at some point she had her picture made with Scarmucci.

        • Blake J Butler

          I think i may know, was she on Maher with Scarmucci early this year or last year ?

        • Wisterley

          It looks like it’s backstage somewhere.

    • Sam_Handwich

      what’s with his reptilian outfit?

      • ohbear1957

        What outfit??? He’s molting That’s genuine, authentic mooch-skin.

      • Wisterley

        Looks like a make-up cover to sto[ powder getting on your jacket. maybe they’re backstage getting ready for a TV spot.

    • Friday’s_cat

      Didn’t she run Al Gore’s campaign (into the ground?)

  • SDG

    Who is the moron, advising this idiot?

    • sadoldguy

      Geniuses don’t need advice.

    • Sam_Handwich

      Donald J Trump

    • MikeBx2

      “I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain” -Donald Trump

  • fuzzybits
    • DaddyRay

      I hope Hope goes to Mueller

      • Treant

        Given that she’s supposedly extremely loyal, I wonder.

        On the other hand: Mueller: “Hope, honey, we’re talking in with the lesbians prison. And no makeup. And a shaved head.”

        “Donald called the Russians on the following dates…”

    • Cuberly Deux

      HA!

  • jpinphx

    Moron….. “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”. He keeps threatening everyone with these tariffs…guess what… they’ll get together and slap us with one then people will care.

    • BJORN RAGNVALDR

      His supporters have proven that nothing, no matter how immoral or vile, will sway them away from him, period. While the calliope belches out it’s circus tune, Pence stacks the courts with most vile of conservative dominionists, until that work is done, they will willingly dance to their own demise.

  • Charles Nelson

    The Chinese Communist Party effectively declared President Xi, President for life. Our Glorious Leader said he thought that was great and that the US should try that also!!!!
    I am now waiting for the Repugs to set fire to the Capitol and blame the Florida high school students and other anti-gun, Llberul, Marxist radicals.

    • TampaDink

      I’m afraid that the repugs might be all too happy to roll over, play dead & let McDonald declare himself emperor. Look at how many of them he has picked on over the years who will gladly do whatever he asks them to do?

      • sadoldguy

        As long as they can rake in the profits, they don’t mind a little public humiliation.
        And as long as republicans ‘support’ the biblical stuff, the fans will support them (to their own detriment).

        • TampaDink

          Our only hope is that there are always at least a dozen of them who aspire to run for the presidency. If they are faced with that never being a possibility, until hair furor finally dies, they might revolt. Then again, they are revolting to begin with, so who knows?

          • sadoldguy

            Being revolting is a selling point to trump fans.
            Decency will never sway trump fans.

    • DavidAZ
  • fuzzybits
  • Blake J Butler
    • safari

      And healthcare?

      • Blake J Butler

        My guess is probably not.

    • SoCalGal20

      LMFAO

    • Ninja0980

      Wonder how fast they’ll fix this.

    • JCF

      The accident is the achievement.

  • Hue-Man

    Noah Reid is currently sitting in the number one spot on the iTunes Canada
    Soundtrack Chart, for his cover of the 1989 hit Tina Turner single,
    “Simply The Best.”

    https://twitter.com/SchittsCreek/status/969716484774625280

  • emjayay

    Levi’s aren’t made in the US any more as far as I know.

  • MikeBx2
  • Sam_Handwich
    • sadoldguy

      It means trump’s lips were moving, nothing more.

  • Cuberly Deux

    I’ve had Matt Dillahunty playing in the background while working today. (sigh) Such a hot atheist bear…lol….this episode really popped out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pygo0JBK3xA

    • djcoastermark

      Listened to this, and it’s very good. Thanks.

      • Cuberly Deux

        He’s one of the best thinkers I know. Very grounded and always open for a discussion.

        • djcoastermark

          Yes, very logical. I need to check him out. Especially in light of next week when hubs’ mother is coming down to stay with us for a week. She’s a bit of a religious nut, converted to baptist, but she recently remarried. Remarried to a preacher. He is joining her on this stay. Oh dear lard this is going to be a bit awkward to say the least.

          • Cuberly Deux

            Oh wow, well, that may be a situation where it’s best to go with what’s most comfortable vs inviting confrontation. But, if the preacher whips out his bible….well, yeesh, that decision between taking the hit and letting it go unaddressed or, engaging. But, the minute you engage……well.

            Reminds me when I visited my mother when she was still alive. For the most part we had a truce. But, on occasion she’d well…..she sometimes went off the rails. Which, the only way I could deal was to remove myself from the conversation by exiting. I’d head off to run an errand or go upstairs for a pretend nap.

            Funny thing was when I came back after a break she was quite personable, and we’d go about our biz as if it never happened.

            Confrontation as choice, and sometimes alternatives to confrontation have unintended results. And, I’m the first to admit, it fucking sucks monumental ass that we’re consistently dealt the role of being the damn adult in the room.

          • greenmanTN

            My brother and mother had a very complicated relationship. When he visited her he always stayed at a hotel and if she visited him her got her a hotel room. When my ex and I went to visit him in L.A., he told my ex he didn’t like the way he talked to me (he was emotionally abusive) and he was not welcome in his home. I stayed and he went to a hotel.

            It’s the nuclear option, but if it gets really bad with the preacher man, it IS an option. But stand up for yourself and don’t let him browbeat you or push you around just to “keep the peace.” It’s not keeping the peace if it’s tearing you up, it’s letting them get away with it.

  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/GideonResnick/status/969993040810135557
    Will they even care in Oklahoma though?

    • Cuberly Deux

      Well, considering 24/7 earthquakes for years from injecting fracking waste water has left them confounded that they should actually address a profound problem.

      I don’t hold much hope.

  • safari

    With no confirmation, InfoWars is claiming a third strike from YouTube.

  • DaddyRay
    • Ninja0980

      Yup and if you value purity more then anything else, you’re just as vile as Trump folks.

    • JCF

      God, a lot of Bros & Bots (is there a difference anymore?) on that thread. Keep the pressure on!

      Kick the traitorous Thugs OUT! democrats.org

  • DaddyRay
    • William

      He went to Jared.

  • Lazycrockett

    snl

  • DaddyRay

    So is it a new SNL tonight?

    • Hue-Man

      Yes

      • DaddyRay

        They have so much material to work with from the last couple of weeks – wonder what they will use

        • sadoldguy

          Once upon a time, we had a news media to inform the public about what was happing in the world.

          • coram nobis

            “Everything is changing. People are taking their comedians seriously and the politicians as a joke.”
            — Will Rogers (d. 1935)

  • Lazycrockett
    • sadoldguy

      A bunch of free speech crybabies complaining about being held responsible for their speech.

    • DoctorDJ

      You poor dears.

  • DaddyRay

    Impeachment Porn – I would pay for that

    • safari

      Personally, I’m on a vintage ’70s kick myself.

      • DaddyRay

        So Nixon?

        • safari

          Bareback with men of regular body. Though I like shorter hair.

        • Sam_Handwich

          Archibald Cocks

        • coram nobis

          Martha Mitchell.

  • houstonray

    “A gateway touch”. BWAHAHAHA!

  • Lazycrockett

    Fuck you Pam.

    • Reality.Bites

      Coming home tonight I noticed (at minimum) 3 Range Rovers or Land Rovers in my building’s garage.

      Evidently I’m living in a nest of spammers!

  • Sam_Handwich
  • Lazycrockett

    Baldwin is hitting it tonight.

  • sadoldguy

    Who falls for this crap?

    • Fafnir the thurifer

      Flagged as spam

  • gaycuckhubby

    WaffleHouse at 2am!!!! Lol

    • DaddyRay

      I think we have to be careful of West Coast Spoilers

      • Lazycrockett

        sorry but I had too, it was too good of a line.

        • DaddyRay

          I know – it really takes some of the fun out sharing

      • Hue-Man

        Seattle NBC has SNL starting at 8:29 PST (11:29 EST)

        • DaddyRay

          Oh so we can speak freely?

      • houstonray

        I thought it was live everywhere now?

    • Lazycrockett

      “Managers taking money out of the cash register to pay the Russian mob!”

    • safari

      I’ll watch the clip in the morning. I’m making pancakes.

  • houstonray

    Man, SNL cold open is knocking it out of the park tonight….

  • Ninja0980

    Angry tweets from Trump in 3,2,1…

    • houstonray

      Directed toward “Alex”….

  • Lazycrockett

    pairs with a sausage biscuit!

  • Lazycrockett
    • Witnessing scores of kids cowering in closets texting goodbye messages to their parents and crying for their classmates at funerals will do that.

  • Lazycrockett

    Wait “The Grabbies”?????????? oh boy

    • Lazycrockett

      Guess no one at SNL knows bout gay porn awards.

  • safari
  • worstcultever

    Don’t have tv so no SNL. But our national situation is beyond satire help or relief.

    Can’t enjoy any of it anymore – Seth Meyers, Colbert, etc – there’s no comedy to be had

  • safari
    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Pity. They should.

  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/KyleKashuv/status/970114452170428416
    Get ready to see more of this kid, as he is quickly emerging as the darling of the right since the Parkland shooting.
    If nothing else, one could point out to him that the NRA opposes each and every one of the things he has been talking about on Faux and elsewhere and him going to D.C. won’t change that.
    Also, when I say I worry about Dave and Cameron, this is what I’m taking about.
    This kid and a couple of the parents who lost their children in the shooting are clearly on the other side and they can’t be dismissed as easily by the kids we’ve come to know and love.
    They best be prepared for that.

    • Lazycrockett

      Please like Drumpf was making the call?????? JFC.

      • Ninja0980

        What gets me is the fact some of the stuff he is proposing will be fought tooth and nail for by the NRA, just as it has in the past.
        And making the mentally ill scapegoats for sociopaths and other bad guys/gals drives me nuts.

    • SoCalGal20

      I don’t watch Faux so I probably won’t be seeing much of that kid.

    • It is a Rorschach test, if you are already predisposed to think David and Cameron are “crisis actors” you will believe anything. I doubt Kyle will do much damage. Trump refused to go to the open house in Broward County even though he could have — it is very close to Mar-a-Lago, Rubio had the presence and personal honour of showing up — as David pointed out. And Cameron thanked Rubio for having the guts to show up at the meeting, even though he grilled him during the questioning. David had the right to hang up on Trump, and he was preparing for a funeral. Plus David and Cameron are way cuter then Kyle – which teens would prefer watching Kyle over them or Emma for that matter?

    • zhera

      “One should not disrespect the office…”

      Tell that to Donnie Two Scoops!

    • Out of the 4,183 likes about 4,000 are instantaneous Russian bots – seriously – according to one article I read. They are appearing on just about every promoted post up there by the far right against the Parkland kids.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    I honestly wonder what other craptacular celebrity is going to win the next batch of GOP primaries if/when Dump gets kicked out. I have no hope the fucking GOP base can learn.

    • Ninja0980

      Kansas is proof of that.
      They vote in far right Republicans who fuck everything up, then replace them with moderates before voting in the crazies again.
      Drives a few of the family members I have living there nuts.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        It’s like they can’t seem to get that to keep things clean, they have to keep cleaning it. They can’t just keep inviting the dirtbags in and then be mad they have to vote in the cleaners again.

        • Ninja0980

          Been going that way for a long time.
          Former Republican Bill Graves used to joke that he had two political opponents in Kansas, Democrats and social conservatives.

    • worstcultever

      The republican party must be destroyed in order for the human race to proceed.

      This is why I am pessimistic about the human race proceeding.

    • Treant

      Ted Nugent.

      I’d include a smiley, but I’m not at all sure I’m kidding. I think he might be a bridge too far for more of the right, and there’s a faint off chance that the Russians won’t be flipping votes by that time.

      • Ninja0980

        Sad to say but if you see what is trending on Twitter right now, you’ll see that for many people, triggering liberals matter more then anything else.

        • Treant

          This is why I ignore Twibbler, or whatever it is.

          • Ninja0980

            I only go on to follow pornstars, nothing else.

          • gaycuckhubby

            I must say it’s great for that. And lots of them are happy to chat with you as long as you’re not rude and pushy

        • gaycuckhubby

          Well, part of the reason is because we’re so easily triggered.:)

  • netxtown

    the big imbalance is due to the never ending sucking sound coming from your fucking face.

  • Barry William Teske

    Oh look!

    The current President of the United States of America, #45, does not want its people, to know that creating divisions leads to highly illegal personal profits.

    So, instead, he shows them.

  • Lazycrockett

    I didn’t see this……………..

    https://twitter.com/CREWcrew/status/967557303925985281

  • ETownCanuck

    But..but..RICH people drive BMW’s and Mercedes…that’s just GHASTLY…

  • gaycuckhubby

    Hilary Knight on SNL!!
    🏒🏅

  • Blake J Butler
    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      They should never have had the ads on his freaky channel in the first place. Also I’ve seen a ton of Youtubers pissed they get demonetized and punished for much, much less.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Ninja0980

      That would the The Family Foundation, the Focus On the Family/Family Research Council linked hate group.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      The religious right need to be roasted on their insistence that parents have the right to abandon them to creepy adults to abuse whenever they please as long as marriage is involved.

      • MaryJOGrady

        They believe that children are their parents’ property just as a wife is her husband’s property.
        Back in the day, conservative religious Americans, including many Roman Catholics, opposed child labor laws on that grounds.
        It’s written right there in their Bronze Age nomads’ guide to life.

    • JCF

      Roy Moore: Big Thumbs Up! (but where?)

    • M Jackson

      Why does the “family foundation” have ANY power over a vote in Kentucky? Why? I know the answer, I just have to ask why.
      Regardless, the people of KY have to accept the fact that they voted for inclusion for their vested interest in Biblical child-marriage pedophilia.

      • Ninja0980

        Because they can get their voters to the polls and our side can’t, that’s why.

        • gaycuckhubby

          Same with the NRA. People mistakenly think the NRA buys lawmakers with donations. They don’t, those lawmakers could easily pick up the same amount of money from anti-gun groups. The NRAs power comes from its base and influence and ability to turn out voters.

          • Ninja0980

            Until our side turns out in greater numbers, especially during midterms, that will continue to happen.

    • Cuberly Deux

      It’s basically women as property being upheld by a fringe. A fringe that deserves no place in civilized society.

    • Edmund Allin

      16 or 17 isn’t that young, really, with parental consent.

  • JCF

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTDkbPiwf7U

    “Son, I want you to know that it’s OK to be gay. Also, congrats on bagging Armie Hammer your first time out of the gate!”

  • gaycuckhubby

    Lol… the construction guys skit was cute

  • DaddyRay

    SNL just doesn’t do if for me any more

    • johncAtl

      I think I gave up on them 20 years ago.

      • TuuxKabin

        30, probably more.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    OT: Devin Nunes is a cry baby of the worst order. He complained about Colbert mocking his memo.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nunes-on-colbert-danger_us_5a9b5d71e4b089ec353af434

    “Colbert managed to crack a smile from stone-faced Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) when he asked him if he was “jealous” that Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) gets to work with Nunes.

    “This is the danger that we have in this country,” Nunes said when Fox News’ Neil Cavuto asked how he felt about the jokes.

    “The left controls not only the universities in this country, but they also control Hollywood in this country, and the mainstream media, so conservatives in this country are under attack … they attack people who are trying to get to the truth,” the head of the House Intelligence Committee added.”

    • Lazycrockett

      umm Don’t Be A Russian Agent.

    • -M-

      Yeah …that’s what happened. 👀🙄

    • DaddyRay

      Traitors tend to get mocked Devin

      • EdA

        Actually traitors tend to get shot … or the electric chair. But I’d be ok with lethal injection. Even as administered by the former slave states of the Confederacy.

    • Treant

      “The left,” “The Jews,” pick a bogeyman.

    • Ben in Oakland

      You really have to wonder if they believe what comes out of their pie holes. Its hard to decide which is worse– they believe it, or they don’t.

    • BJORN RAGNVALDR

      Counter attack, you are under counter attack from the institutions of higher learning and artistry because you lack intelligence or artistry in your complicity.

    • Ninja0980

      You can always retire if you don’t like it Devin.

      • Cuberly Deux

        Yeah, but the chance of the Nunes, russian mink, crisco, rubber shorts, weasel fisting, clydesdale bukkake kompromat coming out, has him scared shitless.

        • Bryan

          That raises way way too many disturbing questions I’m way too sleepy (and sane) to even begin to WANT to understand. Especially whatever’s happening with the weasel and the clydesdale and his constipation (or would shitless be diarrhea?) that…. that can just be a piece of absolute historical fact that I feel completely comfortable never knowing the full details of. I’m not sure my head wouldn’t explode and I just got the damn thing back the way I like it. D’yaknow the price on a new skull, hair, and partial brain matter? What, do I LOOK like I’m made of shady connections to back alley windowless van surgery folks? Because I’m not. Not after that one time. They replaced my delivery with my rolodex. Anyway I’m here to say I am not made out of embossed paper.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Hope you got some sleep

  • Lazycrockett
    • DaddyRay

      Didn’t even know that was tonight

    • boobert

      Hey melanoma, you in danger girl !

    • DaddyRay

      – On his son-in-law, Jared Kushner: “We were late tonight because Jared could not get through security.”

      – On attorney general Jeff Sessions: “I offered him a ride over and he recused himself. What are you going to do?”

      – On vice-president Mike Pence: “I really am proud to call him the apprentice. But lately he’s showing a particularly keen interest in the news these days. He is asking ‘has he been impeached yet?’ I don’t like that.”

      – On former chief strategist Steve Bannon: “That guy leaked more than the Titanic.”

      – On The New York Times: “I’m a New York icon. You’re a New York icon. And the only difference is I still own my buildings.”

      • William

        What a fucking moron.

      • johncAtl

        I want to say unbelievable. But it seems I say it every day now regarding Trump.

      • gaycuckhubby

        The last one was actually kind of funny

      • coram nobis

        “I was born in Dusseldorf and that is why they call me Rolf.”

  • gaycuckhubby
  • Ninja0980
  • Ninja0980

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BfYrbrXgX6n/?hl=en&taken-by=thedapperzookeeper
    Senator Doug Jones son Carson.
    I’m craving a little beef now…

  • ChrisMorley

    REPORTED and FLAGGED

    Fake Name Job Scams

    Today the Fake car is just “a top of the range Car

    https://kopywritingkourse.com/wp-content/uploads/how-to-scam-people-for-money.png

  • DaddyRay
    • We take all the Trump corruption so nonchalantly now- his family is running the Presidency as a giant for-profit business with kickbacks and graft and sellouts to foreign governments and no can do anything about it. It is a disgrace.

      • DaddyRay

        With any other Presidency this would be non-stop news. Trump is counting on outrage fatigue

    • boobert

      This is not the first time the moron has manipulated the market. Every time he tweets for or agaist a company someone makes money. It’s a game for him , and he likely tells people “watch this” . I really hope Mueller is paying attention.

      • Don’t get your hopes up. Mueller is Fitzmas.

      • canoebum

        He does more than say “watch this”; he says, “pay me for this”, and they do. The kickbacks are laundered through offshore shell companies.

    • coram nobis

      SEC Rule 10b-5 used to cover this kind of insider trading.

  • Cuberly Deux

    Please tell me the cold open wasn’t mean’t to be a news report. It was comedy, right? Like the humor was uh….um.

    Oh fuck…..

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Cuberly Deux

      Expectations of ceremonial norms in the era of trump. Talk about a demolished tragedy of routine.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f9a090d266047c9aca97f6bade2f802da38ae3cbb756255293c739a8b234a7ff.jpg

      • Treant

        Yeah, it’s like something outta Dickens or something…

        🙂

        • Cuberly Deux

          Minus the tricky brit names for characters of course.

          But Trump is brit slang for fart, so maybe that tradition is intact.

        • coram nobis

          A drag version of Great Expectations?

          • greenmanTN

            Maybe “A Tale of Two Countries.”

            Ah, who are we kidding? The US doesn’t deserve a Dickens title. “Fuckwits On Ice” is more like it.

          • Treant

            It requires only a rotting wedding cake.

    • Dazzer

      ???

      Who needs to learn to breathe?

      I don’t understand.

      • greenmanTN

        I think what he’s saying is that the reporter’s stance, “Any reporter who went to this event should retire!” as if being there means they are complicit, is a bit over the top, hysterical and, well, breathless.

        I can kind of see the point. Would it have been better if no reporters were there to give an account and all we had to rely on were the reports of attendees who were there as participants? Apparently the rules forbid any recording devices, audio or video, so reporters are the only (presumably honest) witnesses.

        • TuuxKabin

          thank you for TNsplainin’.

      • TuuxKabin

        me either.

    • SoCalGal20

      On the one hand I’m glad there were reporters there so they could report back on the awful things he said. On the other hand it would have been hilarious if thry canceled because nobody wanted to be in the room with him.

      (Oh and fuck the rules, somebody should have taken audio).

  • coram nobis

    Vladimir is payingg 98$US for just a few works in your basement off a homey cmputer, and you donut have to kno good english granmer. I bought a new Alpo Romeo after making 43938$ this mo. You won’t forgive yourself if you donut come up to my place sometime.

  • MassageBear

    Wake up, GOP! Thanks to Trump, you’re no longer the party of…

    Free Trade
    Family Values
    Law and Order
    Due Process

    You are now only the “Party of Trump.” When he’s gone, you will be too.

  • coram nobis

    Overnight lead story in Guardian:

    Donald Trump has celebrated Xi Jinping’s bid to shepherd China back into an era of one-man dictatorship, suggesting the United States might one day “give that a shot”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/04/donald-trump-praises-xi-jinping-power-grab-give-that-a-shot-china

    Just like he likes the way Duterte approaches drug policy. He’d like to “give that a shot” as well. So far, the Hairy Pumpkin is just a wannabe to these latter-day Francos, but …

  • whollyfool
    • AmeriCanadian

      I would not have done that to my cat but the one in the video appears to enjoy it, coming back for more.

      • whollyfool

        Yes, my cat has claws and knows where I sleep. But that particular cat has hardly slowed down before coming back for more.

    • TuuxKabin

      Some cats have all the fun.

  • justme

    Little Donnie Thinskin thinks the world is still in the 1950’s where American output supplied the world..
    Rude awakening awaits Pennsylvania Ave…

    Crash and burn is on the horizon..

  • Sam_Handwich
    • JT

      And to think that the Orange Idiot is maligning anyone else’s intelligence.

  • Good morning. Who’s awake? And what yall doing on this Sunday Funday?

    • AmeriCanadian

      Top of the morning to you too. Some of us have house cleaning, laundry, and other such chores scheduled for today. 😉 Funday indeed.

      • TuuxKabin

        Next week, or the week after.

      • Yuck. Those chores are no fun.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        Sometimes I wonder why I even bother with those chores. All that work, then 6 months later you have to start all over again.

    • Dazzer

      It’s past midday in London, UK.

      I’ve had a big fried breakfast (eggs, bacon, sausages, tomatoes, mushrooms, onions, baked beans and fried bread). I’ve watched empty- calorie Sunday morning TV and I’m thinking of going back to bed.

      • TuuxKabin

        What’s happening at at the car wash? Or do I have you mistaken for someone else. Apologies, if so.

      • That sounds like a winner too. 6:21am here in New Orleans. Husband and I are sitting in bed with a pipe (heh..), he’s watching TV, I’m studying for an electrical test.

        • TuuxKabin

          How shocking.

        • AmeriCanadian

          Just remember…there’s a reason why the black wire is called “hot”. 😉

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            I thought it was the red one ?

          • TuuxKabin

            Both, just to be safe.

          • AmeriCanadian

            In the U.S. and Canada, red is usually used for three-way (or four-way) wiring. But not necessarily. BTW, the terms used in this field are hilarious. Loads, sockets, three-ways, discharge, blow, circuit, pole, etc. “Electricians do it with the lights on.” 😉

          • TuuxKabin

            Reminds me of,”line in, line out, jack in, jack out.” Lights on. Good. Broad daylight, fine as well.

          • greenmanTN

            My phrase for two bottoms having sex is “two sockets in search of a plug.”

          • Feeders.
            Loads.
            Junction box.
            Pole.
            2 way.
            3 way.
            4 way.

            I’ll be right back. Husband is….well…you know.

          • whollyfool

            It depends on whether you’re doing electronics or working with home electrical systems. It’s the worst call since Franklin decided the direction of electrical current.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            We had an auger on the farm that I had to plug in to get a bucket of corn out. It shocked me every single time. LOL I have been terrified of electrical ever since.

          • whollyfool

            Wow, I guess you would be. Glad you’re here! 🙂

      • Gretchen

        I’m jealous of everything but the mushrooms. You can keep those. It became clear yesterday that one week is the limit of how long I can go without chocolate. The grouse spouse and I shared a miniscule amount of melted chocolate and a fruit plate last night for an obscene number of Weight Watchers points. We are not happy campers.

        • AmeriCanadian

          I can’t go one day without chocolate. The cravings are impossible to ignore. I end up overeating other things because I’m not satisfied. So I discovered 75% dark chocolate bars. I have two squares (100 calories) per day and that generally stops the cravings. I’ve tried the higher concentrations but they begin to resemble unsweetened baking chocolate and I can’t do it.

          P.S. Chocolate flavored vodka doesn’t cut the cravings. 😉

          • Gretchen

            There is a cookie jar of leftover holiday candy on a shelf in my entertainment center that I have ignored for months…until yesterday. There wasn’t anything in it that I particularly liked, so it wasn’t interesting…until yesterday. Now I can’t think of anything except those damn Rolos.

        • TuuxKabin

          We have daily doses of chocolate. Like a lift me upper around here. Good luck with the points.

          • Gretchen

            Thank you. I’m a carb addict which explains the diabetes and need for Weight Watchers. It’s been fun creating new recipes, but the new WW Freestyle program puts a heavy emphasis on eating protein and discourages carbs. It’s a big adjustment for me. I miss bread and dessert. I made a great berry crisp one night that was low points, but it’s just not the same as the real thing.

          • TuuxKabin

            Rather than go on statins, I’ve eliminated a lot of carbs. Drinking a hell of a lot less wine. Smaller portions and eating walnuts, sunflower seeds and almonds for snacks, and fresh fruit before every meal. Lost 13 pounds since Christmas. Berry crisp. Be still my stomach.

          • whollyfool

            I am a carb addict too. I don’t know if you can have it, but the amino acid DLPA really helped me on my first stab at a low carb diet. Unfortunately DLPA interferes with some medicine I’m on now.

          • Gretchen

            I have never heard of it. I will give it a google. Thanks for sharing!

          • whollyfool

            In case you’re interested…. I got that from a book called the Diet Cure. I’m not one to try a lot of weird diets, but I was having to eat about every half hour because of sugar crashes. The book worked well for me until I went on some meds that seem to have messed with my metabolism.

            The other resource I like is NerdFitness.com. I’m mildly mobility limited and in pain pretty often like I think maybe you are; funny how that can really dampen your desire to cook dinner, let alone exercise. 🙂 This site is about exercise and diet. I like the site because they are super geeky like me, but also they emphasize diet over exercise with the phrase “you can’t outrun your fork.” And there are days when that’s nearly literally true, lol.

            Hope it helps. 🙂

          • Gretchen

            Thank you. I need all the help I can get. I say it often, but I am sick and tired of being sick and tired. My goal with this diet is to be able to stop at least one or two medications. If I could get off the diabetes meds entirely that would be beyond wonderful. Appearance isn’t even a concern anymore. I just want to be able to walk to the mailbox without hurting and be able to get through my day without checking my blood sugar. I don’t think that’s too much to ask in life.

          • whollyfool

            Yup, I absolutely hear you. Here’s a link to the preview of that book. https://books.google.com/books?id=bPW0n4DOmcoC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

            A lot of it is tailored to blood sugar. And a lot of it just centers around how to eat a low sugar diet.

            You know, I really wish we had a forum. I don’t like taking up a lot of comment space like this, but I want to get you this info. The people on this site have so much to share other than comments on news of the day. I don’t think it would be that hard to build. Not sure about how much storage goes into keeping a forum up and running.

          • Gretchen

            A forum would be great. The only one I have ever used is forumotion.co.uk. I don’t have any experience building one, but that one is easy to navigate.

          • whollyfool

            I have been tempted, but I realized that Joe would have to sanction it. Especially since the ads would need to move over there too.

        • Dazzer

          Umm.. if you eat good chocolate – that’s 70 per cent cocoa – the calories are pretty small and the effect on you is good.

          I’m not a person for diets any more (the best thing I ever did to lose weight was get a dog), but something I learned was that to lose weight, I paid extra for top quality high-cocoa content chocolate.

          You can use low-fat milk, grate a relatively small (and by that, I mean more than you think you should) amount of top grade chocolate into it, heat into cocoa and drink in the morning.

          It fills you up and tastes good – and although it has fewer calories than you’re probably counting, you feel like you’ve had a great breakfast.

          And you can do it in the evening when you think you need that carbohydrate rush. A cup of proper cocoa does everything you need in terms of feeling filled up. and it tastes better.

          I know this sounds like weirdo advice from an internet stranger, but it works far better than calorie counting and you don’t feel like you’re working when you lose weight.

          • TuuxKabin

            We hover around 82% content. Thanks for the tips. I used to eat it straight up, then wonder why I’d wake up a few hours later, buzzed. Hot milk is a comfort. Spoonful of honey as well. If not cocoa.

          • Dazzer

            Honey!

            Again, that’s a contra-indicative weight loss thing.

            But it works.

            First of all, only eat honey that’s made near you. It builds up your immune system. (I don’t care if anyone believes me on this – it works).

            Secondly, if you can, get natural, nearby honey with honeycomb, it’s great for a treat.

            If you want a treat, get frozen yoghurt or fat-free ice cream.

            Sprinkle a small quarter spoon of chopped nut on it. Add a very small quarter spoon of cocoa. Then heat a heaped desert spoon of honeycomb honey till it’s tepid and pour it over the nuts, cocoa and ice-cream.

            I have absolutely no scientific evidence to back up what I’m saying, but since I started using honeycomb honey as a sweetner I seem to get rid off sugars and carbs and fats far more efficiently.

            As I said, this is just random internet advice. But I’d suggest you try it. If it doesn’t work for you, then at least you get to call me a moron to my face! 🙂

          • TuuxKabin

            Damn. I thought you were calling ME, Honey!

            We’re about to sail forth, hale and hearty to the local farmers’ market where we buy hoNAY, and we buy the pollen to help build resistance to allergies. I used to eat the honey comb in Mexico all the time. Local bee man doesn’t have it. I’ll ask.

            And WTF cares if it’s scientific. If it works for you, me, them, it works. Tried and true.

            Honey is also antiseptic and applied to a cut sels the cut, keeps it clear from infection. Again. Does it work? For us it has.

            We’ve been enjoying goats milk ice cream, coconut milk gelato and green tea ice cream. More easily digested and rich and creamy enough to please what we crave.

            One thing we don’t hold back on is chocolate and level it out at whole portions. No quartering, halving. All or nuttin’ honey. Reports indicate a loss in cocoa plantations due to climate change, so we corner the market when ever we buy. Too precious to not have.

            Pfffffft, moron. Home spun advice from experience is brilliance.

            Now off to the market before the latest cold front comes thru. Craving beets and going for this recipe later.

            https://www.splendidtable.org/story/the-beets-go-on-americas-test-kitchen-reimagines-beet-salad

          • Gretchen

            Thank you for the advice. My dogs would probably be much better behaved if we walked more often. I have mobility issues due to a accident, so it’s really hard to walk them and use my little walker with the wheels and seat. I have taken up using the pool at the gym, and I really like that.

            I honestly think we would probably lose weight just by cooking a healthy dinner at home every night instead of eating out every day. We will probably need to find a way to incorporate a dessert or two each week just to keep from going off the rails. I like your cocoa idea. I may try that.

          • TuuxKabin

            As mentioned to greeenmanTN, give http://www.splendidtable.org a try. They take phone calls as well.

          • Gretchen

            Thank you. That’s an awesome site.

          • TuuxKabin

            I transcribe it for friends, then during the week we compare recipes. Love being a scribe. Like spreading gossip. Keep up the work in the pool. Hope it improves your limitation.

          • whollyfool

            I love them on Thanksgiving.

          • TuuxKabin
          • Dazzer

            UGH!

            I’ve been through that. I fell off a roof and broke my back. And then I had to learn how to walk again.

            In books and on films, they always make learning how to walk again as something heroic and wonderful. And they always have a ‘breakthrough’ moment. The reality is that it hurts like fucking hell and you just have to keep at it to increase your mobility. And even that hurts.

            Just from my experience, losing weight is incredibly important. When I couldn’t walk, I put on weight hourly. I couldn’t believe how fat I got. I wasn’t eating any more, but I could feel my belly getting bigger than my trousers.I could – literally – feel it from day to day. And I wasn’t some slender twink to begin with.

            Home cooking and exercise are the keys.

            If I par-boil new potatoes and fry them in butter with garlic and rosemary and salt and pepper, they’re still going to have fewer calories and taste better than a packet of fries from the local burger bar.

          • Gretchen

            In 2009 I had a fall (regular fall not from a roof) that left me in the hospital for a month, and the hospital cafeteria had particularly good macaroni and cheese. I gained 40 pounds in the hospital alone. Add in another 6 months of being bedridden and on a walker just to go pee, and I gained another 60 pounds. The grouse spouse knew how to cook exactly three meals, and we ate them every night for months. (Bless him for taking care of me. He’s a gem.) I’ve never recovered full use of my leg, and using a cane and walker along with gaining so much weight has put strain on my back and hips. Sometimes I get very tired of hurting so much. There is nothing particularly heroic about day after day of pain and just struggling to function. It’s not like there is any other choice but to keep going.

          • Dazzer

            There’s no nice way of saying this (and I know it all too well from personal experience).

            It’s your own body – you use it or lose it.

            My late partner was clinically obese with Type 2 diabetes.

            When we started living together, I cooked for him so he could lose weight. I loved him as he was, but he needed to lose weight to combat his diabetes and other health issues. (I wasn’t a health Nazi or anything, I just used to cook stuff that’d help bring his cholesterol and fat intake down).

            Then he died.

            The people he worked with told me that he used to have a desk drawer full of chocolate bars and snacks and when he came into work, he used to stuff his face – claiming that it was necessary for his diabetes.

            I loved him (still love him, actually) but he chose to die. That looks cold – but it isn’t.

            Bob was one of the best people in the world bar none. But he chose to die rather than lose even a small amount of weight.

            The only reason I’m telling you this story is so that you understand that it doesn’t take a lot.

          • Gretchen

            I’m so sorry for your loss. I appreciate your concern for my health. You are absolutely right, and we are making changes. I see my husband struggling with his own mobility because of his weight, and I worry. I know in theory he is responsible for his own diet, but the reality is that he eats what I feed him or something from a drive-thru. It may not be my fault that he has gained so much weight, but I haven’t been helping him either.

            I think the final straw for me was when I needed a snapshot of myself a couple weeks ago to try on glasses online. No matter how hard I tried I couldn’t smile. My face is just stuck with a permanent frown line now because of my weight. I don’t even exercise my facial muscles apparently! My face just looked all lopsided and lumpy. It was the first time I have looked directly at myself in a long time, and I didn’t like how unhealthy I looked. Hopefully these positive changes will stick even if the actual diet doesn’t. We are both looking at an early death if we don’t.

          • Ragnar Lothbrok

            Weirdo advice has always been the best advice, in my experience.

          • TuuxKabin

            I’ve always depended on the strangeness of strangers.

      • Wisterley

        That’s the kind of breakfast I used to eat in digs, or in hotel restaurants – with grilled kidney – if such things exist any longer. I always tell Americans about to visit the UK to eat at least one traditional breakfast, two if they’re in Scotland. (I still miss baps.) When I was visiting a few years back I took an old friend out for lunch, he lived in South Ken, and he ate something similar to your breakfast since it was what he was craving and it cost 35 quid. I couldn’t believe it.

        • Dazzer

          Damn Man.

          Next time you’re in London, call me and I’ll cook you both breakfast for free.

          Thirty-five quid for breakfast? Fucking hell, man, they saw him coming.

          • Wisterley

            Well, officially it was lunch – no baked beans – but I found the city astonishingly expensive. I took another friend to have supper in a small Indian restaurant behind Notting Hill Gate – we used to live on Ken Church Street – and it was over 80 pounds for the two of us. No meat, I’m a vegetarian, couple of beers, nice food well served, but even so. Same thing would have cost about a fiver when we lived there.

    • Gretchen

      I’m expecting the lawn care man to come mow for the first time this year, so I plan to spend the morning clearing the yard of any dog toys my crew has slipped out of the house. Fun times.

    • djcoastermark

      Yawn, stretch, mmm, coffee, coffee, coffee. Mornin’. Packing the car up with leftovers from yesterdays garage sale (and other good stuff) and donating it to our local AIDS Charity Thrift Shop.

    • greenmanTN

      I keep vampire hours (I’m naturally nocturnal, always was) and usually sleep from early afternoon to early evening, so I’ve had a fun night of scooping litter pans, cleaning the kitchen, then messing it back up by making Crunchy Asian Noodle Salad. So this is kind of late evening for me, and I was considering making a thick beef stew over egg noodles, this time incorporating a little anchovy, which someone told me was their secret ingredient. Meanwhile, I’ll hang out here and probably read a bit before retiring to my coffin going to bed.

      • Gretchen

        That sounds yummy. I make a crockpot “faux” stroganoff that I serve over egg noodles. It’s a family favorite.

        • greenmanTN

          My first boyfriend taught me a stroganoff recipe with ground beef, cream of chicken soup, mushrooms, and sour cream that I still sometimes make. Sometimes I want that version instead of the “real” one.

          • TuuxKabin

            Those ingredients make me crave tuna casserole.

          • greenmanTN

            I make that too, using those canned fried onions. 😁 But I also recently got a Sous Vide water bath heater so I’ve been playing around with that. I kind of hate the term “foodie” because it implies (to me) food snob, which I’m definitely not.

          • TuuxKabin

            We’re part of a pack of chow hounds. Thirstdays we meet up from time to time to drink and eat out and enjoy ourselves. I still use ‘grazing’ because that’s what we do. A feeding bag would be so much easier.

          • AJ Drew

            It’s a fine line between “foodie” and someone who just has no more available counter space.

          • greenmanTN

            One of my aunts buys food appliances at yard sales and gives them to me for birthdays and Xmas. Who needs a tabletop pizza cooker, I ask you? I think I’m keeping the tabletop rotisserie oven though- it does a good roast chicken. She gets me cast iron stuff too, some of which needs the rust blasted off!

          • TuuxKabin

            You. You. Just you. Thanks.

          • greenmanTN

            I’ll let you know when I finally get around to having my own yard sale. I’ll sell you that pizza cooker CHEAP!

          • TuuxKabin

            I think it’d be worth the trip down.How near is AmTrak?

          • greenmanTN

            Unless you’re a homo hobo riding the rails, about…. 600 miles?

          • TuuxKabin

            Jeeze Louise . . . nearest air stip? Don’t tell me in front of your house, on the road.

          • greenmanTN

            That’s only about 30 minutes away. No jetways though, they roll the stairs to the side of the plane and you walk down.

          • AmeriCanadian

            That recipe has been around for ages, with variations on the soup choice. I make the same one.

          • Gretchen

            Mine uses lean cubes of beef, onion soup mix, cream of mushroom soup, and cream cheese. It’s a nice easy recipe to set and forget and works great for a crowd.

          • AJ Drew

            Your first boyfriend taught you stroganoff? Most guys learn that on their own. Ba-da-ching. !

          • TuuxKabin

            Lawdy.

          • greenmanTN

            I was a teen tramp so I think I taught him a few things.

          • Gretchen

            Weren’t we all…

        • canoebum

          Noodles. Yum.

      • TuuxKabin

        Ever listen to splendid table? American Public Radio I think. Local NPR affiliates carry it at various days and hours.

        https://www.splendidtable.org/

        • greenmanTN

          No, I haven’t, but it looks like a good resource. I like to cook, and do everything from southern favorites to some Asian and European dishes, though as you might imagine exotic ingredients are a little hard to find hereabouts. 😁 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6a6957ceeac4c3ed9e61ac4535d4fb4235049f8a63a7037c0cbf1ce3942c962c.jpg

          There is a small Asian market about 30 minutes away though.

          • TuuxKabin

            Oh that makes me laugh. Everytime. Same in our household. Cooking three meals a day. The ritual. Swapping ingredients. Ideas. And with foods of lots of nations and flags of every color in the neighborhood, who needs to eat out? Braised pork shoulder over tatties, celeriac and carrots for dinner this evening. I listen to the splendid table regularly. 6AM Sunday mornings,since I’m wide awake and serving la B, our cat.

          • SkokieGuy / May attempt snark

            “Tatties?” you made me google. At first it sounded like a cute euphemism for small breasts.

            Perhaps I’m the only one here that didn’t know. If not: its a potato.

          • TuuxKabin

            Ha! A titty a tatty. Thought you meant, ‘giggle’ rather than ‘google.’ Yeah. I forgot, tatties can be chichis, breasts, all that. An Australian used to bake the tatties of life with roast meats. Golden crisp on the outside, and perfection on the inside. Frigo, i.e, refrigerator as well. The Garbos for sanitation collectors. Bunch of fun words that stuck.

          • SkokieGuy / May attempt snark

            The Garbos for sanitation collectors – only when the REALLY want to be left alone.

          • TuuxKabin

            Some of the NYDSNY guys should be left alone. Buncha roofians.

          • SkokieGuy / May attempt snark
          • TuuxKabin

            75’s a good number.

          • Christopher

            We were at Target yesterday, and I saw a woman with curlers in her hair. The pink foam ones!

            I was gobsmacked. We NEVER go near any Walmarts, so I hadn’t seen such a sight since I was a kid.

          • TuuxKabin
          • greenmanTN

            My favorite Walmart cashier was an older woman, 60 if she was a day, who always wore this GIANT blond wig. I’m not kidding, it was bigger than anything you’ve ever seen, even on Dolly Parton! She was very sweet, but people used to just stop and stare in amazement. I always wanted to take a pic but didn’t want to get caught doing it. I think she retired because I haven’t seen her in a while.

            This is the only wig I’ve seen that’s bigger, and it’s in a photo. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/057b142a185c7f68c9e60e5aff548c7bfc788181ace2f305a88fe65d5d75d984.jpg

          • TuuxKabin

            Hair by Mister Softee Ice Cream Truck.

          • Christopher

            I’ll just live vicariously through http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/

            We avoid that place like the plague.

          • TuuxKabin

            We’re fortunate they’re nowhere near here. Not that we’d go, but they have a gravitational pull for oddities into their locations.

          • AmeriCanadian

            I’ve noticed a trend in the last decade or two. Americans dress down when they go out shopping. Seriously.

          • Gretchen

            My sister and I took our grandmother dress shopping several months ago. She wore high heels and a pant suit. My sister and I looked like refugees from the thrift shop in our sneakers and jeans. At least some of it is generational. When Grandma was young a “trip to town” was an event that required full scale dressing up. To me going shopping is a punishment on par with a beating. If I have to go, I want to be comfortable doing it.

          • AmeriCanadian

            I believe it’s generational too. My mother, who was born in 1927, would not leave the house without showering, fixing her hair, putting on makeup, dressing up, etc. I did the same (sans makeup) until probably ten years ago. Now I just throw a baseball cap on and if I’m wearing shoes and clothes, I’m good to go. Marriage does that too you. 😉

          • Gretchen

            My 19th anniversary is approaching. I don’t even own make-up now. I have one dress in case of a funeral, and most of my shoes are sandals or sneakers. It’s good to be married.

          • greenmanTN

            I wear Crocs 2 places. To work in the yard and to Walmart.

          • JT

            Another uncovered butt crack will fit in well.

      • SkokieGuy / May attempt snark

        But I bet you don’t sleep hanging upside down in a cave like Stephen Miller.

        • greenmanTN

          Stephen Miller scares actual vampires! That guy pings my sociopath-dar HARD!

      • whollyfool

        Now the Edward Gorey cutouts make sense….

        • greenmanTN

          They didn’t before?! 😁

          • whollyfool

            😀

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