FLORIDA: Republicans Advance Bills To Arm Teachers

The Miami Herald reports:

Facing anguished relatives and classmates of shooting victims, two House and Senate committees advanced legislation Tuesday to create a new statewide program to put armed teachers in classrooms — over the vocal opposition of teachers, parents and many Parkland residents.

In the House, the Appropriations Committee voted along party lines to approve the measure to train teachers to carry guns in class under the direction of local law enforcement — if superintendents or the school board approve. The Senate Appropriations Committee approved a similar bill, but required that both the sheriff and school district officials in a county agree to the program before it can be adopted.

The $67 million “school marshal” program is the most controversial aspect of HB 18-06 and SPB 7026, the nearly matching legislation crafted by lawmakers to respond to the killing of 17 students and teachers at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland on Feb. 14. The bills also impose a three-day waiting period for gun purchases, raise the age to buy a gun from 18 to 21 and give police more power to seize guns from people who threaten themselves or others.

Gov. Rick Scott has said that he opposes arming teachers, but so far he hasn’t made any public threat to veto the bills should they win final approval. The “school marshal” program is the brainchild of GOP state Rep. Jose Oliva (photo above.) Republicans hold overwhelming majorities in both Florida chambers.

  • olandp

    God damn, what a bunch of fucking morons.

    • Mikey

      I believe it’s spelled “Republicans”.

      • Anastasia Beaverhousen

        Alternate spelling, “Deplorables”

        • Acronym Jim


          • Snarkaholic


        • Dave F.


  • Rex

    Why is it that those elected to be the voice of the people are deaf to the voice of the people?

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Because they’re whores to oligarchs, who later reward them.

      • Rex

        Second question: Do they have a conscience, and if so, how do they sleep at night?

        • Dave B


          • Acronym Jim


        • Acronym Jim


          Money & Power.

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          Yes, as human beings they have a conscience.

          They just sell them to the highest bidder.

        • Bambino

          Refer to the pic of the bone spur cadet carrying an umbrella ascending to Air Force One leaving his child and wife behind.

  • Halou

    No doubt all their own kids go to private/home school and thus don’t have to endure shit like this throughout their early years?

  • SkokieGuy / May attempt snark

    $67 million dollar program – but the teachers will no doubt still be buying paper and pencils out of their own pocket. And Trump’s new tax scam eliminates any tax deduction for it.

    The good news is that this is simply Spank Bank material for Trump cultists. Because of the “if superintendents or the school board approve” stipulation, it will never happen. Teachers are against it, because apparently, most teachers are sane.

    • Halou

      Teachers already have enough work to get stressed out over, tooling them up not only increases that stress but gives them a means of acting on it, should it ever boil over.

  • Longpole

    I keep wondering what will happen when an “Armed Teacher” fires at the shooter and accidentally hits a child?
    Bullets can bounce off the wall and hit an unintended target. This will result in lawsuits.

    • Halou

      And when one “good guy with a gun” starts blasting off at anybody and everybody, another “good guy with a gun” will do likewise, then another, and so on.

      In the NRA’s dreamworld all a person would need to do to cause a massacre is throw some firecrackers in a crowded area and hit the deck.

      • Jon Doh

        Let’s test that theory at a large gun show.

    • Collateral damage. The kid should have prayed harder.

    • DesertSun59

      The police force in this nation has a ~30% accuracy rating for ALL POLICE who carry weapons. And those are the people the ‘most trained’ on how to use them.

      Teachers will have far less accuracy. Arming them assures them that they will be the first targeted and the first to harm others, not kill a person packing a weapon of war.

      • olandp

        But I see documentaries all the time where the good guy is in a gunfight with a pistol and kills all the bad guys with assault rifles, and the good guy never gets shot. Has to be true, I saw it on TV.

        • Longpole

          Yep, and this is all part of the “Businessman for President” and “Guns for Everyone” wet dream of the republican party we are dealing with.

    • northern_neighbour

      That already happened today or nearly happened involving a armed teacher in Northern Georgia. Right on cue ….

  • AmeriCanadian

    Do Republicans still send their children to public schools? They really are OK with having their children being taught by what will basically be an armed guard?

    • Dagoril

      Republicans who could afford it abandoned public schools the moment they were integrated.

  • Anastasia Beaverhousen

    Hey, how’s about you advance a bill to have you carry guns and drop all the security for the Florida house and senate?

  • SkokieGuy / May attempt snark

    “I’m a Teacher Who Went Through Firearm Training – And it was an absurd disaster.”


  • Uncle Mark

    Whaaaat?!! No Kevlar-lined school uniforms, too? No RPGs for the lunch ladies? No mortars for janitors? Liberal pussies

  • Boreal

    So for that commenter (on this site) last week admonishing me for calling out the stupidity of Florida voters, with the false claim that calling them out was somehow proof that I didn’t care about dead kids, these are the fucknuts that Florida voters put in office. Florida voters, you built this.

    • HandyAndy

      Florida has three very real voting problems, and I’m saying this as a resident of South Florida…

      First, note how I identified myself as a South Florida resident. That is because one of the major problems is North Florida. Really, anything above I-4 is the deepest part of the Deep South. Gun nuts, militias, white supremacists, Teabaggers, Evangelicals, Fundies, Republicans, etc. have infested the northern part of the state. I was driving through the state to visit family one time, and during a rest break, saw a woman with a ridiculous religious quote on a t-shirt attributed to George Washington. I thought to myself at the time that it didn’t sound like something Washington would say, and later confirmed it on Snopes that it was something that the Tea Party invented and passed around. In short, there’s a reason why the state capitol is in the northern part of the state.

      The second issue is in South Florida, and it is that an overwhelming percentage of the Cuban immigrant population votes Republican. No amount of logic or discussion that this political affiliation is counter-productive to their own best interests will sway them either. The reason for voting Republican is that they hate the Castros, and the view the Republicans as the antithesis of Castro.

      Third is also in South Florida, and that is the large percentage of the very old retirees who also vote Republican.

      So, that’s how the rest of us get stuck with an overwhelming Republican state government.

      • Hank

        Hopefully, the younger generation of Cubans are beginning to see the differences, that their parents and Grandparents have refused to see.
        Also, I am hoping, with the recent influx of Puerto Ricans in the Orlando/Tampa region, they will be voting Democratic, after, the way the island has been mistreated.
        I would NOT live in FL, which is the Deep South, were it not for the SE corner, where I also live!!!

        • HandyAndy

          Right, I think we have maybe another decade before Florida can finally flip back to a solid blue state instead of a toss-up. It’s really the elder Cuban population who experienced and fled Castro who are the die-hard Republicans. The younger generation of Cuban-Americans born here are already beginning to reject the politics of their elders. We’ll always have North Florida, and the old, white Republican retirees pulling us to the right, but should be able to turn the tide relatively soon.

      • Boreal

        Well this commenter tried to make the false claim that calling out FL was somehow an affront to dead kids, when in fact not calling out FL is.

        • HandyAndy

          I get it. Florida is a state figuratively torn in two, as the politics varies so dramatically between one half of the state and the other. Sometimes those of us in South Florida can feel like the political prisoners to the policies of the North. Sort of a reverse civil war situation, isn’t it? It is no wonder that these South Florida students went to Tallahassee in the North to try to make their voices heard to the state politicians.

      • Kenster999

        That’s a very thoughtful explanation. Thanks from a Californian who was not familiar with the details (i.e., me!).

      • JCF

        Isn’t it true that younger, 2nd-3rd generation Cuban-Americans are drifting away from the Rethugs? Also: all the post-Maria Puerto Ricans who have moved to Florida! Hope for the (near?) future, HandyAndy!

    • Gerry Fisher

      The husband and I will be (South) Florida voters in a few months. We’ll do our part and use our voices for change.

      • Hank

        Let me know, when you get here!!!

  • KCMC

    Won’t get anywhere when school districts insurers respond.
    School liability dropped / not feasible $$$$$

  • shellback

    To quote Vicente Fox: “What the fuck is wrong with you?”

    • Phil in Colorado

      Exactly! And has anyone even brought up what happens when you have a school who has NO teachers willing to carry when this takes effect?

      • shellback

        I’m sure it’s considered a minor detail. The republican brain-trust will have a very workable solution – as they always do. HAHAHA I kill me sometimes.

      • tomfromthenews

        Exactly. As a retired teacher (I’m in CO too!), every former colleague I’ve chatted with who is still teaching says they would flatly refuse to ever carry a concealed weapon in a school.

        • David Walker

          Can that be a negotiable part of the teachers’ contract? And I mean that for either party. Can teachers put that “we will not carry” or “we will not be forced to carry” into the contract? It seems like part of the working conditions. By the same token, I can see school boards, at least around here, insisting that if the teachers know how to use guns, they will be forced to carry.

          • Kruhn

            Florida will just decide to abolish teacher unions, like Wisconsin did.

          • tomfromthenews

            No, I can’t imagine a teacher who refuses to be armed to be denied a job over it. Especially if there’s union muscle behind the teacher.

          • David Walker

            Thanks for the reply.

          • Nic Peterson

            In a right to work state?

      • Chris Baker

        Or when a student steals the teacher’s gun.

        The only teacher I see carrying a gun is the [slightly unhinged] ex-military PE teacher. Will the principal have veto power over the decision?

      • Vista-Cruiser

        THAT’S a big problem. I’m worried that those teachers would simply be fired and replaced by gung-ho paramilitary types. That would turn schools into right-wing indoctrination centers, long a goal of the Republican Party.

        • Randy503

          hahaha! I share your concern, but let’s be real. None of the right wingers would EVER be a teacher! The pay is too low, you have to deal with children all day, you have to actually know a subject matter AND be able to teach it. You have to pay for basics out of your own pocket. You would have a union to cover you. You would have to counsel parents, students, and then deal with the clueless administration.

          No right winger I know would put up with a tenth of what teachers put up with, just to indoctrinate a new generation. They would more likely start their own charter school or home school, which is still a hell of a lot of work, but at least there they can beat the kids and get away with it.

          • Judas Peckerwood

            What they’ll do is just privatize the public school system. Then the GOP will suddenly make education funding a priority in order to line the pockets of their corporate cronies, including the gun industry, which will be arming all the new “teachers”.

    • Kruhn

      Sure, because an armed camp with bullets flying everywhere is what we need in this day and age. Even whores have limits to what they’ll stoop to to please a john. Florida Republicans and their national ilk are worse than prostitutes to their NRA masters.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    What I loathe about the 2nd Amendment garbage is this: we’ve actually repealed an Amendment. We prohibited booze with the 18th, found out it was screwing up society then repealed it with the 21st. So seriously, fuck this idea that it can’t be modified or changed.

    • Joseph Miceli

      Every single Amendment besides the Second comes with limits and stipulations and modifications….but to suggest that the Second Amendment is not absolute means that you spit on the FLAG and hate Mom’s apple pie. (I do, mine is better…but I digress.)
      America needs to uphold the whole Constitution, not just the Second Amendment.

  • liondon#iamnotatraitor

    Corporate America…fuck you!

  • Butch

    You want to be the person standing there with a gun when the SWAT team busts in?

    • Rex

      Do you want to be the black male teacher on his way to work with a gun when he’s pulled over by police?

      • olandp

        Oh please. This is Florida. Do you actually think they would arm black teachers? Shirley U. Geste.

        • Rex

          I never Geste, and don’t call me Shirley.

      • Bambino

        They never care about the white victims of terrorism, I doubt there care about black teachers arming. They will get shot by the police and gloss over as per usual.

  • Uncle Mark

    The only way to stop a bad kid with a gun is a good kid with a gun. Arm the Honor Students !! /s

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    What I loathe about Dumpster voters is their insistence that any criticism or wrist slap is a fine excuse for them to double down on something even if it’s wrong/mean/insane.

    • Uncle Mark

      It’s because you “eleeeetes” make them feel “dum.”

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I wish I was elite. I’m saving up to buy a used car.

  • Michael

    No longer will shooters have to bring the guns to school.

  • Acronym Jim

    Taking this to its logical conclusion, imagine your grocery checker being armed; imagine your hospital doctor & nurses being armed, imagine open-carry “cast members” patrolling Disney parks & resorts.

    • Longpole

      The gun manufacturers will get rich selling all those guns and then retire to New Zealand when all hell breaks loose.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    NO ! This bad idea won’t work & won’t stand.

  • Frostbite

    “Yay! More guns!” said no decent person ever..

  • bkmn

    Because cops never leave their weapon alone in bathrooms.

  • Leo
    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      If only that was literal.

    • Andymac3

      Is she going to talk him to death with her monotone voice and botox facial expressions?

  • Dagoril

    Well Florida, you voted for these morons. Now you get to live in the nightmare world they create for you.

    • Tulle Christensen

      I did not vote for any of the them, my rep is a Dem

  • canoebum

    Inevitably, some angry kid will punch out his teacher (it happens), grab the gun and start shooting at other teachers, students and staff. The idea of putting guns into schools gets the award for The Most Stupid Idea in many a decade.

    • Gerry Fisher

      There was a news story the other day about a police officer giving a talk in a grade school, a third grader managing to pull the trigger of his gun which was holstered, and the bullet shot into the floor.

      • canoebum

        Guns and schools don’t mix. Period. This notion of arming teachers is insane.

  • redevil

    This is just stupid and I don’t see how any of this will help solve a mass shooting in a school let alone any of the shootings that happened outside schools… say at the Pulse nightclub or FLL airport. It’s all a distraction so we don’t have to fix the actual problem.

    • Dagoril

      The GOP *wants* more school massacres. That’s their goal. I’m guessing they want to destroy public schools so for profit and religious schools take over.

      • D. J.

        ^^^This^^^ planned by Erik Prince, presented by Betsy DeVos, executed by Marion Hammer.

  • SkokieGuy / May attempt snark

    This is chilling:

    “The Oath Keepers militia group on Monday issued an official “call to action” asking their members to serve as voluntary armed guards at U.S. schools, in order to intervene in the event of a mass shooting.

    But the group doesn’t seem to think much of some of the students they say they want to protect.

    During a meandering Monday night webinar held by the far-right, anti-government group, the gun writer David Codrea referred to Emma González and David Hogg, survivors of the Valentine’s Day school shooting in Parkland, Florida as “the enemy.”


  • Joseph Miceli

    That Jose Oliva sure is a hot piece of ass. Oops! I didn’t mean to be disrespectful, Rep. Oliva. I just figured you wouldn’t mind since you spread that pretty ass for the NRA. If I had enough money, I’m sure you’d do it for me too.

  • Karl Dubhe

    To solve the problem of death caused by drinking and driving, we’re going to make sure that everyone drives drunk. That way, everyone will drive more carefully and the death toll will drop.

    If that fails, we’ll come up with something worse.

    /Drunk Drivers of Insanity.

    • olandp

      When the inevitable does happen, a teacher snaps and shoots his/her students, then the NRA will call for arming students.

      MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) only works if the parties are sane.

  • Todd20036

    The teachers don’t want this. The parents don’t want this. The fucking governor says he doesn’t want this

    We need a blue wave this 2018

    Republicans cannot govern. At all

    • Bride of Trump

      If you know any Millennials encourage them to vote.

    • If Democrats at all levels of government do not make significant gains this November, I will have lost any hope for this country.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      The problem is that so many creepy weirdos wants forced birth, prayers in school and white privilege more than they want safe children.

    • Hank

      Do not believe, for one moment, that if this comes across his desk Skeletor will refuse to sign it!!! He wants to beat Bill Nelson for the Senate this year!!!

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    Good morning JMG-ers.

    I managed to stay away from all TV and internet for several days and am just now catching up with all the Trump/GOP/NRA news. It’s kind of like having a couple days off from working at an asylum and then going back in.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Um…. this is the ad that is showing up next to JMG for me right now.


      • ColdCountry

        I’m getting pleas to urge Trump to stand up and not cave to gun control. I think the ad placement is driven by the subject matter of the posts, not what side that post is on.

    • Bambino

      An insane asylum where there are no medication of any form of therapy being distribute among the patients.

      • David Walker

        aka The Snake Pit.

  • Mike C

    Let’s not dance around what this is about: Next time someone uses a machine gun to shoot up a school the Republicans can blame the “unarmed teachers” for it.

  • Dan Weagraff

    If there are so many people with Guns in a school…how will the swat team know who is the shooter and who is the teacher? Hello? I guess more people need to die before sane logic comes into play here.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    Also, let’s keep pointing out how hypocritical and shitty it is for forced birthers to pretend they’re pro-life when they never march and scream for shit that saves people who walk & talk. Every time they go “da bebies, da bebies,” they need to be told “Shut the fuck up unless you’re willing to give a shit about school shootings!”

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
  • medaka

    These fucking shitbags should just Leave the Capitol.


  • GayOldLady

    Arming teachers is a horrible idea and the notion that the FL legislature advanced this bill proves they haven’t thought it through.

    1. There will be students who are brazen, angry or mean enough to attempt to disarm a teacher. When that happens, and it will, it will end with a teacher killing a student, a student killing a teacher or the student killing the teacher and others in the classroom/school.

    2. There will be a teacher who reacts poorly to a situation and shoots a student either on purpose or accidentally. It’s already challenging enough for teachers who have to deal with angry, defiant or disruptive students. Deliberately arming teachers in stressful situations will only create more chaos.

    3. There will be a teacher who isn’t mentally stable and shoots another teacher or a student in an act of rage or passion.

    4. An armed teacher will accidentally kill innocent student/students while engaging in a shootout with an armed school intruder or an intruder the teacher believes to be armed and dangerous

    These are inevitable outcomes. They will happen if you arm teachers, it’s just a matter of time. Introducing more guns into schools is like attacking a house fire by dousing it in gasoline, it’s exacerbating the problem.

    • Dagoril

      If too much gun mayhem continues in public schools, religious and private schools would be the benefactors. The GOP isn’t so cynical that it would promote the massacre of thousands of children to forward their agenda though…are they??

      • zhera

        I’ve had the same thought, and my answer is yes, they are absolutely that cynical.

      • David Walker

        When the Secretary of Education is all about school vouchers and private/Jeebus schools, I’d say it’s a possibility.

    • ZRAinSWVA

      And how many deaths do we hear about where the gun accidentally discharges? For goodness sake, our fire marshal shot himself in the leg while sitting outside the gun store where he was loading bullet’s he’d just bought.

      • GayOldLady

        Another to add to the list.

      • Chicago joe

        Did he die?

    • Clive Johnson

      Excellent points, but in all seriousness I think that the level of thought required to see the truth of your statements eludes the great majority of the GOP.

    • ColdCountry

      And the teachers who don’t want that gun in their homes, so it remains locked up at school. At least, they’d be quite certain it was locked safely away, you know, so no kid could ever get their hands on it. Or they take it home and… well… accidents happen.

    • April

      From what I have read most insurers will not offer coverage if there are school staff packing guns. This means the liability to a school district could be millions if someone hits a innocent kid with a stray bullet. School boards need to be reminded having guns in the school could bankrupt them.

    • Dean Vick

      I agree 100% with you, this is crazy. Have these legislators totally forgotten the personalities of teacher that taught them, I have not and that scares me.

  • Rex

    Why is a good looking morally bankrupt man in the Florida house and not in bed at my house?

  • Gigi

    MEMO TO GOP: Arming teachers = more gun sales = more campaign donations. – The NRA

  • TexasBoy
  • worstcultever

    Still not getting it, I see. Even when hit with a goddamned asteroid.


    Also, prepare to find another part-time grifty job, cuz WOKE voters are gonna kick your asses out of this one.

  • Will Parkinson

    Florida Republicans to Teachers, Students, and Parents.

    ‘Fuck you,’ that’s why.

  • joe ho

    Good test for the students. Can they really get young people to vote in a disciplined, meaningful way?

  • Blackfork

    And one of these days, after teachers become armed, one of them who is slightly unhinged, for whatever reason, is gonna start the morning by shooting up the kids in his/her classroom. Where do Republicans go after that?

    • worstcultever

      Well, duh – arm the kids.

      • RJ Bone

        Basically. And the volunteers.

        • worstcultever

          And the passers-by. And the streetlights. And the storm sewers. And the wildlife. And the sky.

          • RJ Bone

            Meanwhile, at the school drop off zone…

            Whoa Phil! Why are you carrying three rifles?

            “It was buy one, get two free! Gunz make me safe! More gunz, more safe! Hyuck! ‘Murica!” *Shoots into the sky while foaming at the mouth*

          • Clive Johnson

            ‘My church had a gun raffle Sunday! Fuck yeah! The Lord is good!’

    • Ninja0980

      Already happened in Alabama where a professor who found out she was going to be denied tenure decided she would kill the entire biology department in revenge.
      She killed four and wounded three and didn’t kill more solely because her gun jammed.
      That was over eight years ago and it’s just a matter of time before another teacher who finds out he/she is going to get canned will react in such a manner.
      And the only response from Republicans will be to arm even more people.

  • Clive Johnson

    The only variable that explains the frequency of mass shootings is the number of guns

    Therefore, conservatives can’t produce a rational response since this would require that they understand what evidence means, and have the intellectual maturity to recognize that sometimes you have to abandon a prior belief based on it.

    Other psychological factors stand in the way as well: Becoming smart about guns would mean agreeing with ‘the libs’, but this would require conservatives to swallow their authoritarian pride.

    It would also mean the mental realization that yet another conservative absolutist position, another belief-as-fetish-object, would have to give way to change. ‘Why do things always have to move left?’ is the universal whine of the right-winger, stemming from a whole structure of imaginary grievances that are super sensitive to giving up any ground.

    I’m convinced that we’re dealing with an infantilized political movement for whom, at least in a number of cases, doing the minimally intelligent and ethical thing is a psychologically very threatening prospect.

  • Trust the Republicans to come up with a stupid response to a crisis.

    I wonder how many teachers will be shot by law enforcement responding to an active shooter situation.

  • mikeinftl

    What possibly could go wrong there?

  • DesertSun59

    Let’s be clear. The NRA represents a tiny minority of gun owners and
    a MINUSCULE number of registered voters. They are a minority voice in
    this discussion. But because they’ve already purchased key Republicans
    their voice is artificially magnified.

    This is how a culture degenerates. This is how to lose visitors to that state.

    • AmeriCanadian

      But money is speech, so we’ve been told.

  • D. J.

    Will they name it “The Marion Hammer Florida School Child Murder Act”? At best Hammer is a dangerous, deranged sociopath who has earned a fortune off the murder and misery of others

    • worstcultever

      Time to end her career too. Emma Gonzales et al are on it.

  • Joe in PA

    And in related news (sorta), Congress voted to use taxpayer funds for bulletproof vests and other goodies for themselves. Nice.


    • worstcultever

      Once again, so cynically vile, if you put it in a work of fiction it would be rejected by publishers as too beyond all belief.

  • Bluto
  • worstcultever

    And among the dumbest aspects of this sheer nonsense, is the notion that these gun spree-massacres happen only in schools! Hello? Vegas? TX church? CO theater? Everywhere and anywhere?

    • Ninja0980

      That and the notion people who will likely end up killing themselves afterwards are going to scared off by the notion they could encounter someone armed.

  • rextrek

    This country is so LOST…….a good 3rd of Our Nation are basically (1930’s German Citizens) Dumbasses, Enablers of a Disgusting VILE POS scumbag….. I HATE TRUMP SUPPORTERS……as far as Im concerned THEY ARE TRASH

    • Clive Johnson

      About 18 months ago and before my view was that there were people in this country with whom I disagreed.

      Now, I realize that they want a radically different world than I do. Instinctively and morally their ideal society is a banana republic, but they’re not educated or intelligent enough, nor developed enough psychologically and morally, to see that this is the necessary outcome of their view of the world. Functionally, they crave living in a gutter, and want all of us to join them there.

  • Paula

    Let these idiots be stupid. Very few teachers will volunteer to be armed in the classroom.
    A law that is unenforceable.

    • zhera

      Ah, but the next step is to force the teachers.

    • Gil

      When are the ” training ‘ programs to be held ? Have to be weekends . Who is going to give up weekends for this shit ? Teachers are busy after school doing personal chores like anybody else….and grading papers, etc. No training after school…I feel sorry for teachers

  • zhera

    So now it’s going to be up to the local school boards? Yeah, that’ll turn out just great!

    I can’t help but think that this is another part in the agenda of destroying public schools. Force the teachers to arm themselves or find a job at a private school. In the end, public schools won’t have enough teachers or students to keep open.

    • Ninja0980

      An added bonus for the Republicans.

  • dogdadny
  • dogdadny
    • Clive Johnson

      That’s awesome. I hope it sticks. AR-Rubio.

    • andrew

      Marco is very expensive. The NRA has paid him $3,303,355.00 for his services.

  • dogdadny
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  • Gustav2
    • Jefe5084

      When I was in elementary school, the nuns were armed with 12 inch rulers, is all. This is ridiculous.

  • j.martindale

    If they pass this baloney, you can expect the first accidental shooting of school children by teachers momentarily.

    • ted-

      I expect nothing less.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    They really don’t care about the lives of children, do they? The public, teachers, students, even the police say it’s a daft idea as do many veterans and yet, here you are Florida. At what point do people wake up to reality? I’d ask what it would take, but apparently dead children isn’t enough so….

    • Ninja0980

      For the people that believe the 2nd amendment trumps everything, nothing will wake them up.

  • dcurlee

    How in the hell do they think they can force teachers to carry firearms. Republicans have lost what little minds they had left

  • ted-

    Imagine a black teacher holding a gun when the cops arrive….

    • RaygunsGoZap


  • pj

    they want to sell more guns. its disgusting.

  • Jefe5084

    Those FLA legislators sure waste a lot of time passing stupid shit.

  • LSMC1987

    So, November is pouncing upon us. What is the likelihood of this tone deaf legislation causing a sea change in state elections and fortunes?

    • Hank

      Sadly, despite there being a majority of @ 100,000 MORE Registered Democrats, than Rethuglicans, the “Independents, keep these Asses in control of the State House!!!
      Skeletor will NOT veto this as he wants to Run against Bill Nelson for the Senate in Nov!

      • LSMC1987

        So, In November Florida will have a republican gov and legislature as well as armed teachers?

        • Hank

          Sadly, yes. ☹️

  • D. J.

    Flori-duh – The Gunshine State.

    • Hank

      Where fracking is being pushed MORE than renewable energy!!!

  • Enough! Vote them out!

    • joe ho

      That requires getting liberals to the polls in sufficient numbers. That’s hard to do, except in exceptional circumstances.

      • It Takes a Village, People

        Thanks, Debbie Downer

        • joe ho

          Reality is that liberals don’t vote at the same percentage as conservatives. Otherwise liberals would win almost every election. That’s the really sad part.

  • ColdCountry

    The teachers union should be all over this. The teachers should absolutely refuse to carry, or to teach in a school where other teachers carry. Parents should be all over this as well, as I’m sure some will be. It’s disgusting.

  • Ninja0980

    Where will the money to pay for this come from?

  • CB

    So, let me get this straight: They take away the $200 tax deduction teachers get for buying crayons (!) for their students since there are no supply budgets. And the teachers still buy the stuff anyway. (I have a friend who used her Christmas money to buy stuff for her students.) But, they can find $67 MM to arm teachers.

    We are well and truly fucked.

  • Richard B

    What a stupid asinine thing to propose.
    Here is more proof, republicans are anti-social and cannot govern.
    We must start a movement to go into the streets, wake up the masses, and demand better.
    Though republicans have put obstacles in our way:
    1) voter suppression
    2) gerrymandering
    3) gas lighting & apathy
    Every citizen of the United States has a duty to get registered and be prepared to vote Blue this fall.

  • narutomania

    Just a couple days ago, I write in the comments of one of the posts on This Here Website Thingie that no actual teacher, professor, or school administrator anywhere in the country wants guns in schools.

    And I stand by my comments.

    But now it appears that stupid lawmakers want to push this ridiculous notion forward and even try to make it a law. The stupidity is truly staggering.

  • JWC

    The GOP refuses to acknowledge the elephant in the room This will cost them severely

  • God. Let’s hope the influx of Puerto Rican voters and newly-18 year old voters is enough to help push a blue wave through the legislature, too. (There are 3 vacancies, but not sure what party they were.) All 120 members of the FL House are up every two years. Dems need to flip 40 seats for control. Half of the 40 member Senate are up in November. Dems need to flip six seats (five if we assume one Dem vacancy remains Dem).

  • Vinnie NYC

    Wait for a love triangle between teachers to go astray or a school admin. who’s been put on administrative leave or any other thing that can go horribly awry during school hours between adults…What can go wrong ?

  • Larry L

    Rushed through like a tax cut

  • Ben in Oakland

    Years ago, when I was a probation officer, they were floating a proposition for us to carry guns. Virtually everyone in the department, except a few ex cops, said that there was no way on earth that we would carry guns, and that the administration could probably expect a mass resignation if they tried to make it a reality.

  • rednekokie

    Wouldn’t it be interesting if not a single teacher took them up on it, and refused to pack a gat?

  • TampaDink

    I hate that my fucked up state was first with this bullshit just as they were first to implement “Stand Your Ground”….which has spread like wildfires to many other states. If this goes into law (and with our rethuglican majority, I am sure it will) it will spread to every red state like a bullet.

  • Mrs. Norman Maine

    1. No insurer in their right mind will underwrite insurance for a school district that arms teachers and the first incident will bankrupt the district
    2. There will be dead students. As long as they are poor students of color, not much will happen, but eventually a rich white student will act up, do something dumb, or be caught in the crossfire and the community will explode
    3. The handwriting is on the wall in regarding where majorities in this country are heading. Hanging on to that republican base with grim determination is going to eventually lead to political suicide.

  • Hunter M

    This is Florida we are talking about. It’s America’s insane asylum. Trust me I live here. And these people are fucking crazy. Don’t expect anything rational out of Florida.

  • andrew

    Are they going to arm the teachers with AR-15 assault weapons with bump stocks so that they won’t be outgunned by the potential mass murderers? Will they also provide the teachers with helmets and body armor just like trained law enforcement officers have or are they going to give the teacher a hand gun to keep in his/her desk drawer? This is madness. It is a diversion put up by the NRA and other enablers of mass murderers.

    • MassageBear

      Sent this list of questions to FL Speaker of the House, Jose Oliva (also sent this list to the White House last week but have not received a response–yeah, I’m holding my breath):

      In order to ensure successful passage of HB 18-06 and SPB 7026, I respectfully suggest addressing the following issues:

      1. Who will be allowed to carry the guns in schools (i.e., only personnel on the school district’s payroll or will volunteers be allowed, too)?
      2. How often does a firearm-certified teacher/other have to be re-certified to carry/use firearms?
      3. Will all other teachers/school personnel know who the names of those who are allowed to carry/discharge a firearm?
      4. Will students know or will it be kept a secret so it doesn’t leak to any potential student/former student shooters who try to take out these pseudo SWAT personnel)?
      5. Who pays for the firearm safety/marksmanship training?
      6. What guns will be allowed (will privately-owned guns be allowed for use by volunteers or school staff)?
      7. Who pays for the guns?
      8. Where will the guns be stored when not in use (e.g., stored in gun lockers at the school)?
      9. Will the firearm-certified teacher/other be allowed to take the weapons home? If so, who is responsible for safe storage of a school-district owned gun (e.g., will the school district be required to buy gun lockers for them to have at home)?
      10. Will the firearm-certified teacher/other be required to carry these weapons on school field trips, sports trips, after school events, etc. (if so, will a firearm-certified teacher/other be required to go on all trips or be present at all after school events)?
      11. Will school districts be required to carry liability insurance if a firearm-certified teacher/other injures someone accidentally?
      12. Will parents be required to sign waivers in case a certified-firearm teacher/other accidentally injures or kills their child while defending them or the weapon otherwise accidentally discharges?
      13. Will firearm-certified teachers/others be equipped with Kevlar vests/helmets and be required to take periodic sharp-shooter training?
      14. Will school districts be required to provide security to prevent theft of firearms (from gun lockers)?
      15. What are the repercussions if a firearm is stolen from a firearm-certified teacher/other due to negligence (e.g., they accidentally leave it unattended somewhere)?
      16. What happens if a firearm-certified teacher/other exhibits or is accused of domestic violence in their private life or while on the job? Will they permanently or temporarily lose their gun toting assignment/privilege and who will monitor each person’s status?
      17. Who is responsible if a firearm-certified teacher/other is overcome by one or more students or some one else and their concealed carry firearm is taken from them (and especially if it is then used in the commission of a crime)?
      18. Will these firearm-certified teachers/others be made known to law enforcement personnel (so if the police/FBI or real SWAT show up in response to a shooting, they don’t fire upon everyone on the premises brandishing a gun)? And how will the police/FBI/real SWAT be notified?
      19. How will the police/FBI/real SWAT determine the truth if a school shooter/killer pretends to be one of the firearm-certified teachers/others?
      20. Will these firearm-certified teachers/others be called upon to also be present to protect all church-goers. theater goers, concert goers, mall/store shoppers, and public gatherings where shooters may also try to commit carnage? If so, who will be responsible for scheduling all these personnel to make sure all non-student Americans are protected? Will churches have to be taxed to help defray the cost of the firearm-certified teachers/others to protect their congregations, or do we also have to create pseudo SWAT clergy/parishioners and address all the issues enumerated above?
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  • HappyDance904

    Now teaches can face being ambushed by their students and taking their guns….

  • MassageBear
  • Gianni

    Apparently the inmates are really running the asylum. Wait until the first kid is shot by a teacher who couldn’t take it anymore. Then the fun begins. “Oh, you want to be a teacher? That’s a wonderful calling, but first you have to pass personal weapons training. It’s a required part of getting a teaching license.”

  • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

    This guy looks like both a shitty motivational speaker who charges 300 ameros to “believe in your dreams,” or a coke-abusing time-share sales manager for a half-built “resort” on the site of a former toxic waste dump.