WEST VIRGINIA: Woman Dragged Out Of Fracking Bill Hearing After Listing Big Oil Donations To Reps [VIDEO]

Common Dreams reports:

Lissa Lucas traveled the 100 miles from her home in Cairo, West Virginia to the state capitol in Charleston Friday to testify against an oil and gas industry sponsored bill (HB 4268) that would allow companies to drill on minority mineral owners’ land without their consent.

Lucas began to testify to the House Judiciary Committee, but a few minutes in, her microphone was turned off. And Lucas was dragged out of the room. Lucas is running for the House of Delegates from Ritchie County, which has been overrun by the fracking industry.

“As I tried to give my remarks at the public hearing this morning on HB 4268 in defense of our constitutional property rights, I got dragged out of House chambers,” Lucas said. “Why? Because I was listing out who has been donating to Delegates on the Judiciary Committee.”

  • Halou

    What a shithole country America has become.

    • fuow

      Yup, and there’s a simple reason for it:
      The assholes vote. Sane people, don’t.
      Oh, and before anyone starts beating that horse carcass or claiming that all gay men do vote, check the facts. Barely 1/3 of eligible voters on the left bothered to vote in 2016 – and that includes the smarmy-pants ‘lefties’ who threw away their chance to stop Trump on the ‘Greens’ to ‘teach us Democrats a lesson’.
      For years and years and years, now, many of us on the left have said our rights as gay people were not anchored firmly and we had to keep on fighting. The lectures (many even on this blog!) were sullen and clear: Move on, we won, everything is cool.
      Yeah, right.

      • JackFknTwist

        And some of us said that complacency is a cancer.

        • fuow

          Too true. Sadly.
          Worse, this is not a new thing. I recollect clearly the nastiness thrown at those of us who were out and loud in ACT-UP! back in the day. We were ‘rocking the boat’. We were ‘impeding’ the behind-the-scenes efforts to promote the general acceptance of gay men.
          Was actually told that! Multiple times! Never by a man who was HiV positive or had Aids, though.
          I lost my first husband to that vile disease. I lost virtually my entire set of friends and nearly all acquaintances in San Francisco to Aids. To tell me that ‘our rights are now granted, time to move on’ was a red flag before Trump. Today, it makes me even more furious.
          That so many younger gay men actually don’t grasp the danger they are in is frustrating.

          • Mark McGovern

            You are so right on these counts. But what to do as the landscape changes? HIV becomes a blip on the Grindr screen; a reason to rule in or out a meet up. Bars, where people actually meet in groups and share experiences, give way to solitary technology based communication. A gay guy could simply add HIV to filter criteria and never even meet an HIV positive person, secure in their technology; safeguarded by PREP.

          • ChrisMorley

            Using a HIV filter is NOT a smart strategy to stay negative for guys who have tested to confirm they don’t have HIV.
            Filter-Shunning out-positive guys is simply an act of ignorance and fear.
            Anyone of the Grindr men who don’t reveal they have HIV or who think they are negative, may well have it without being diagnosed as HIV positive and have a very high viral load.

            Avoiding someone who knows that they are HIV-positive is a false strategy for staying negative.
            The science is overwhelmingly clear: if someone is undetectable, meaning the amount of virus in the blood is so low it can’t be detected, it’s virtually impossible for the virus to be transmitted. Undetectable = Uninfectious.

            Furthermore, there are still plenty of very effective options for protecting yourself from HIV, such as condoms, pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP), or post-exposure prophylaxis (PEP) if you don’t want to rely on the undetectable status of someone else.


          • Mark McGovern

            Yeah I know all that, and agree 100%. I was just speaking to the challenge Fuow’s post identified.

          • ChrisMorley

            Cool and many other’s don’t and this is for those.

          • Mark McGovern

            Good point.

            On another, and somewhat related matter, I wonder what the mean age would be of those of us who read this blog?

          • JP


          • Mark McGovern

            Yeah you are probably right. I wish there was a way to turn more of the younger on to this site. There’s a lot they could both learn and contribute.

          • JP

            Maybe if Joe kicks it up and spoon feeds them with naked celebrities, more social media subjects or adds a Rupaul drag race section… Younger people are just not into politics and certainly not active voters. It’s always been that way.

            Of coarse if their lives were on the line like the 80’s that would all change.

          • fuow

            Good question. I think there’s probably a double hump – baby boomers and the youngest millennials and younger.

          • KevInPDX


          • I’d just add “never knowingly meet” since many people don’t know they’re HIV positive, and other choose not to be public about their status.

          • Mark McGovern

            Yup. Absolutely correct.

          • Ranger One

            When it came down, it came like tsunami comes. But we swam to the surface, not because we were superior, but due only to the vagaries of a chance. Many survivors say the same. And on social media; it’s not social, it is anti-social. Real faces are social, and they are the only way to restore the dignity we need.

          • Mark McGovern

            Right on. This is why I am a huge proponent for marching, which social media can help make happen in huge numbers.

          • Ranger One

            “Social media” does, have a facile way. Any connection to others is a quality connection. And I don’t think its full power is yet released.

          • fuow

            Which is all not necessarily a bad thing, of course. What to do, though? Good question. A big part of the problem is that my party is the one and only alternative to Trump and the rethuglican christers. It’s not exactly a party one votes ‘for’ so much as a party which receives the votes ‘against’ the rethugs.

          • Ranger One

            It was a hopeful wish, that the storms had passed. You can’t fault a group with stars in their eyes. But they were just that. And let me give you a short, tight lesson on bitter. It doesn’t work ~ for anyone.

          • fuow

            No, bitter does not. But voting does. I’ve been active in the Democratic party since the early 1970’s. Not out of love, I’m from the furthest left of the German political system.
            But out of necessity. Now, we have tried the ‘make nice’ approach to non-voters on the left and it got us a 1/3 turn-out in 2016. Being angry is absolutely necessary. The young gay men who don’t vote or waste their votes do make me furious. I have my nose broken, my ribs staved in to secure their right to live as they are. When one of them tells me it’s all cool and I just am fighting the old battles we ‘won’ long ago, it frightens me. This is precisely how Germany looked in 1928.

          • Ranger One

            It is not “making nice.” It is an appeal to better angels. So never again disparage work of other, and warriors will sometimes refuse to stand down.

          • Helen Damnation™

            Go high my motherfuckin’ ass. Sorry Michelle, it’s fightin’ time.

          • JackFknTwist

            Such sadness and pain after all these years. My sympathies to you on your loss. Time is a slow healer.

            I remember every newspaper every day with dreaded losses and terrifying language of “full blown Aids” and “opportunistic infections”…..as if they were giving them away in a summer sale. I still have ACT UP T shirts from demonstrations in Sydney 1988…..by coincidence St. Vincent’s in Sydney was another scene of the crime – locus delicti – as I call it.

            Six years ago I bought a T shirt in Provincetown, something about two dads and their kid.
            I meant to get them framed together, just to remind my self from time to time, that death shall not weary them nor the years condemn, to show we are new with new achievements , to show that time, ACT UP, the militancy of ‘the gays’ has achieved spectacular results in medical and scientific research, from a base where the CDC did not want to know about Aids, to a point of break-through medicine and control of that horror.

            No one has forgotten the boys in New York, nor the Quilt, nor our friends.

          • Helen Damnation™

            Would you happen to remember a San Francisco drag queen from Puerto Rico, called “Coco Vega”?

          • fuow

            Sounds familiar. Seems like she did something or other on Geary/Divisadero?

          • Helen Damnation™

            S/he was once part of the Cockettes, but got kicked out, more than once, for her crazy behavior. Crazy Puerto Riccan junkie would do anything for heroin. ANYTHING. As a matter of fact, he helped my former roommate and a few other folks rob me… just remembered that little fact.

          • Keroleen

            I’m so sorry for your loss. The sentiments of your final two paragraphs can also be used in reference to young women who feel similarly regarding access to birth control and reproductive health in general. Even though I’m pretty much past that age myself, all these ‘personhood at conception’ bills are scaring the wits out of me.

        • JCF

          I know for fucking sure I will no longer accept lectures by the regular here who said I was fear-mongering in 2016 by posting this image:


          • JackFknTwist

            I’m lost.

          • fuow

            Damn right you shouldn’t!

    • JCF

      Shhh! Don’t alert the operators of the shit extraction industry!

  • another_steve

    Set the lion loose on those delegates on the Judiciary Committee.

    • Wolves are the answer to everything.
      Balance ecosystems with a shortage of predators? Wolves.
      Legislators on the take from Big Oil? Wolves.

      • northern_neighbour

        Wolves are good all right but Lions eat more so-called “Christian” wrongdoers in the legislature per capita.

        But yeah, both are good in this situation. Send in the big predators!

        • another_steve

          Overkill. (Forgive the pun.)

          Coat the legislators with tuna fish oil and let my Maine Coon at ’em.

          • fuow

            Nah, they’d poison the pretty pussy.

        • fuow

          Unfortunately, Caligula left them out overnight, they caught their deaths of cold and that was the end of that. I distinctly remember warning him about that….

  • Gerry Fisher

    Hold a presser! I hope you persist, girl.

  • Dave B

    I think the Barbra Streisand effect should kick in.

    • another_steve

      Trump is a master at that.

      His tweets – pathetic attempts to hide the truth – keep the various scandals alive forever.

    • Paula

      I guess that I am not Gay enough. What is the Barbara Streisand effect?

      • David Walker

        This is from the Urban Dictionary:
        The Streisand effect is a primarily online phenomenon in which an attempt to censor or remove a piece of information has the opposite effect and instead drags attention
        (Like telling the kids not to put beans in their ears, so they put beans in their ears.)

        • perversatile

          When my mom was a little girl, she had to go to the emergency room to have an orange seed removed from her nose. Same reason.

      • Dave B

        Barbra Streisand, whose 2003 attempt to suppress photographs of her residence in Malibu, California, inadvertently drew further public attention to it.

        The Streisand effect is the phenomenon whereby an attempt to hide, remove, or censor a piece of information has the unintended consequence of publicizing the information more widely, usually facilitated by the Internet. It is an example of psychological reactance, wherein once people are aware that some information is being kept from them, their motivation to access and spread it is increased.[1]

  • Acronym Jim

    If the assholes had the courage of their convictions, they’d be fine with her pointing out campaign donations that ultimately lead to supposed “job creation.”

    Instead, by their actions, they merely confirm they are fully in the pockets of the oil and gas industries and don’t give a shit about their constituents.

    • canoebum

      But the GOP keeps telling us all donations are fine as long as there is transparency. How could they possibly object to her stating the obvious?

      • Makoto

        Transparency is great! So long as it can be used to attack others, just not as a general thing, of course. That might cost the GOTP some donors or seats. But if transparency is more like a one way mirror, only working when it’s useful to them, they absolutely love it.

    • prixator

      And, really, would we be hearing about this if they hadn’t forcibly stopped her from reading her list? The Streisand effect strikes again!

  • Billanddogs

    This is Trump’s world

    • pj

      hes the only one who thinks that

  • kareemachan

    Honey, if you need money for legal fees, I will definitely donate.

    • Berdawn Hutchinson

      Just give it directly to her campaign! and to Paula Jean Swearengin–she is running for Senate and they campaign together in that part of the state

  • doninkansas

    I hope all the local news folks are interviewing here and taking copious notes, then skewer the committee and any other state politicians who are on the take.

    • zhera

      Get her on the Rachael Maddow Show.

      • FAEN

        Yes. And on every news show that is middle of the road to left!

      • CanuckDon

        Ellen Degeneres and Oprah too…..and the View!

  • liondon#iamnotatraitor

    …but she persisted.

  • zhera

    “…would allow companies to drill on minority mineral owners’ land without their consent.”

    Umm, excuse me? Property rights aren’t a thing anymore? And what does “minority mineral owners’ land” mean?

    US legislators, bought and paid for by the oil industry.

    • Karl Dubhe

      Some property owners also own the stuff under the surface, that allows you to ban someone from mining on your land. Other land titles only cover what’s on the surface, which allows other people to buy the stuff under your surface land.

      If you say, no to the drilling company in the latter case, they’ll just rent access from your neighbour and then drill from there. It’s not just oil, it also allows the mining companies to buy coal, gold, silver, iron…

      • zhera

        – but it says ‘drill ON…’, not under

        – if the land titles don’t include the owner rights to under-surface then that’s pretty clear, no need for a new law on that, is there?

        • fuow

          Slightly off-topic, but not really. An acquaintance inherited a ranch not too far from us. Oil company wrote him a letter explaining that they had the mineral rights and were going to frack away.
          He checked the deed, turned out it he did have the mineral rights (unusual in Wyoming) and had to sue. They lost, he won and is now raking in enormous profits every month.
          The arrogance of the fossil fuel industry is boundless.

          • Chuck in NYC

            Yup. And how much of the profits goes to the guys who do the hard work and how much goes to the fat cats sitting in the home office?

    • OdieDenCO

      6 out of 10 of your neighbors say yes to allow access to the minerals under the neighborhood, 4 out of 10 are the minority

      • zhera

        Aah, ok Thanks! I thought for a moment that this was a racial issue.

        • Berdawn Hutchinson

          “forced pooling” is how they justify it

        • clay

          Hardly, in West Virginia.

    • Steve Smith

      The conservatives did the same thing in Britain You have absolutely NO rights if a company wants to frack, even under your own house.

      • zhera


  • Jerry Kott

    Again, this is how it is done. People are unwilling to step outside their comfort zone for more than a nano second to speak truth to power. It takes more to speak truth to power., It takes more than clicking “send”.
    I believe Women have the Power to lead this charge.

    • Berdawn Hutchinson

      cool! donate to her campaign and to Paula Jean Swearengin who is running for Senate against Joe Manchin!

    • CanuckDon

      Women do have that power. Men are competitive beasts and when another man confronts them, it becomes a battle and challenge to outdo each other (just read the comments on any do-it-yourself home reno video on Youtube).

      But men in general don’t feel they have to outdo women because their egos tell them they’re already superior. Women have the power to knock that horseshit away pretty damn quick and leave them defeated and bewildered.

      • Jerry Kott

        Recently my partner and I watched “My trip down the Pink Carpet” the story of Leslie Jordan performed by him. What was interesting was he talks about being part of a Mens Group. For some reason he was pushed to joint a men’s group dominated by Heterosexual men. He shared how he saw a side of these men that are not often shared. As I recall, he stated that he walked away feeling sorry for them as to how fuck up straight men really are.
        It doesn’t take much for women to win in the power exchange. Women have the POWER, Men only have the Authority. Knowing the difference is the key.

    • Helen Damnation™

      They sure did in Alabama, mostly black women too!

  • Leo
    • Halou

      Why? Is America not divided enough already? Or will Daddy Vladimir not be happy until a civil war breaks out?

      • fuow

        I’ll take the second choice. The only people more stupid than the trumpanzies are those gay men who don’t vote at all.

        • FAEN

          I’m not sure who are worse-the Vichy Gays or the Complacent Gays who don’t vote because ‘both parties are the same’.

    • OdieDenCO
      • William

        What a putz.

        • pj

          like anybody noticed or cared

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Take a butt!

      • perversatile

        Miss Manners sends terse greetings and wishes to inquire,
        Were you two assholes raised in a barn?
        Mike’s mother, I’m particularly vexed at you, as guest, be it in someone’s country and/or home, such a pompous display of vainglorious preening is absolutely unacceptable. You should know better than that. Bad Pences. One more piece of bad theatre such as this, you’ll be lucky to receive an invitation to a Tupperware party.
        In grace and style, go that extra mile.
        Judith Manners

        • ohbear1957

          Perfection, perversatile, sheer perfection! You’ve written the best possible comment on the “Bad Pences.”

          • perversatile

            You are very kind, though the thanks really should go to Miss Manners, those are all her words, (except for assholes) just not exactly as she would have used them.
            Syntax is a Hell of a thing.

    • SoCalGal20

      Of course he is. Trump thrives on chaos. It feeds his insatiable ego.

  • BlindBill

    And the article did not publish the full list of donations to politicians from the oil and gas corps …. wasted opportunity.

  • five

    I wished she would have punched those disgusting bloated grub worms in their stomachs. They’d explode like bags of pus.

  • fuow

    Still think elections don’t matter?

    • FAEN

      But her emails 🙄!

  • Boreal
  • Blake J Butler
  • Cuberly Deux

    Hats off to Lucas!

  • Michael

    Sniveling cowards. If you can’t own up to the donations you’ve taken, don’t take them.

    • FAEN

      That is not the GONP way.

    • netxtown

      I think Mr. Chairman got her shut down before she got to him….

  • Jefe5084

    Ahhh, yeah. Fascism and theocracy. Plus Kakistocracy. Shit.

    • OdieDenCO

      it’s a trifecta of shit

      • fuow

        Trifecta and Trump. Both start with ‘T’. Makes sense.
        Torture, Terror, Terrible, Traumatic, Tense, Troubling….

      • Stogiebear

        The Cacastocracy, also known as the Excretacracy.

  • BeaverTales

    Alaska, Wyoming and North Dakota have the same issues as West Virginia…oil can buy lots of political poontang. Neverending bribery scandals it seems…

    All of them are at risk for recession because due to a lack of good infrastructure investment and educational spending by money hungry repugs, they tend to be one trick ponies with nothing to fall back on once oil profits evaporate.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Also, even if our solar industry stagnates, the rest of the world wants to go clean. Also, once people get that solar saves them money in the long run, more people will do it anyway. The only reason i haven’t gone solar is because I am a renter.

      • Michael White

        I live in N. Indiana near lake Michigan and we have soooo many days with clouds. Drive 10 miles in either direction and you are in sun.

        • basedonfact

          There are panels that do not need direct sunlight. daylight even with clouds is enough. Direct sunlight will produce MORE energy but solar is viable even in places that rarely get direct sunlight.

          Solar is used successfully even in places like Hartford, CT where they average 283 days a year without direct sunlight.

          • Michael White

            Thanks. I did not know. I was sure there had been advances since I looked into it awhile ago.

          • fuow

            Oh, yes – the big breakthrough was by a group of scientists in their 70’s and 80’s working in Arizona about 17 years ago.

    • Matt Williams

      Hey, they’re not ‘one trick ponies’. They alway have the coal industry to fall back on. /s

    • Hunter M

      But … but … but ….. Trump is going to save their jobs. He said so. /s

  • dcurlee

    Keep fighting. To me what they did was silenced her freedom of speech….and they should be fined for it. I guess that has become the evil in our country….to speak out the truth

    • David Walker

      Just as it is now legal and commonplace to have water you can cook with… that is, water you can put a match to and it bursts into flames. And PA is hardly getting any money from the companies who are responsible. PA is a fucked up mess, but the whole fracking shit is just shameless.

  • William

    My, what a sensitive bunch. Shouldn’t they be proud to have their donors named publicly?

  • Natty Enquirer
  • SoCalGal20

    Lissa Lucas is running for WV House! Go support her campaign!


    • Gretchen

      I read her website pretty much in its entirety. She definitely isn’t advertising that she’s a Dem. That’s not a problem necessarily, but it seemed almost like it was buried. I had to LOOK for a party affiliation. I couldn’t really tell even from her policy positions. She seems reasonable and willing to work with both sides, so that’s probably enough to know she isn’t a Republican, but she doesn’t seem very supportive of Democrats either. I’m impressed by her actions in standing up against money in politics, but I’m ambivalent about her candidacy. I don’t know if she has a primary opponent or what her district obstacles might be, so this may be the perfect position for her to take to win, but overall she seems rather conservative.

      • Kruhn

        She’s running in West Virginia where Democrat is a curse word. Problem is that’ll come to haunt her like it did against McConnell’s opponent. I agree with your point, but I also know why they run scared.

      • SoCalGal20

        She’s running in WV she’s not going to be (or advertise) as a far left progressive. She’s focusing on local issues much like Danica Roem did.

        • Gretchen

          I wouldn’t expect her to be far left. I was just surprised that her About Me section seemed almost embarrassed to admit that she’s a Dem. I don’t have a dog in the fight since it’s a state office. I just thought it was interesting that she seemed to be reluctant to identify as a Dem.

  • FAEN

    Yeah, not a Nazi tactic at all! #Maga # Shithole 🙄

  • The_Wretched

    That’s their Sargent at Arms?!

  • Mike

    Hey Bill Maher, if you want to bitch about pussywillows stifling free speech, try looking at the right for a change. Their offenses, like this one, are infinitely worse than a bunch of college kids shouting down nazis.

    • American Patriot

      Fuck Maher

    • JP

      Huh? I’ve never not heard Maher talking about the wrongs of the right.

    • Ninja0980

      Bill has become unwatchable, he truly has.

  • kareemachan

    Do these idiots even realize that this puts the spotlight even MORE on them then if they didn’t respond?

    • Hunter M

      They are republicans, they don’t get irony or understand polls.

      • fuow

        Nope, unfortunately, however – they do know how to vote.
        Something we are horrid at.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    On the plus side it outed these corrupt Fascist.
    On the down side a bunch of inbred rubes are probably thinking Trump! Trump! Trump! and Fuck that Bitch! as she was being dragged out not realizing they’re next.

    I’m amazed at how rapidly our decline is happening.

  • PhallicMetaphor

    Glad to see her dragged out finally someone standing up for rich white men.

  • Chuck in NYC

    You can bet MSNBC and other outlets are trying to get her to come on national television and tell her story. The local a**holes in WV may have shut off her mic in the hearing but she’s about to get a bigger one.

    • CanuckDon

      Your comment has me smiling big-time! Those sniveling old men in WV haven’t a clue what they just ignited.

    • Pucks yer Mackd

      It is WV! We have nothing here. Coal is long gone thankfully and despite trumps promised that tricked the dumb fucks around me to vote for him. Our millionaire governor flipped parties the second trump grabbed him by the you know.

      If this even makes it to a large network, it will be forgotten the moment the first commercial comes on.

  • safari

    Two lumps of white flesh appeared to drag her away.

  • Mark

    This is an oligarchy, pure and simple.

    • Snownova

      More like Plutocracy.

  • CJAS

    She could have gotten around the excuse used to slience her by listing the amounts giving without specific names, since she made her point.

    • Ham

      And we wouldn’t be talking about her today.

      • CJAS

        You could be right. I hadn’t thought about it that way. She made the point that they were bought, that is the story for me. Not that she was stopped. Upon further reflection, even if she had made that adjustment, they likely still would have stopped her speaking.

  • Hank

    Baking a “Wedding Cake” is “Freedom of Speech”

    Talking to your House of Delegates is NOT Freedom of Speech!!!


  • American Patriot

    I donated to her campaign after reading about this on Rawstory.com

  • MoonlightUnkindledOne

    Hey WV voters who thought your Orange One was going to give you back coal jobs, I hope you choke on that damn coal, cause you fucked us all.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Land of Free and the Home of the Brave?

    I see in the way of Freedom here, but Bravery, oh yes, it is still there. Well done Madam, now everyone else, take note. Go to every meeting, challenge the oligarchs, shame them publicly,

    The disheartening part of all this? That security guards and cops are “just following orders”….they’ll pay for that in the long run.

  • leastyebejudged

    Look at her… this is how it’s done.

    And these criminals, these thugs putting their hands on her….

  • JWC

    one word would be “SHAMEFULl” Not one of west Virginia’s Judiciary committees better moments

  • Tomcat

    When it comes to mining and oil exploration West Virginia has no competition for most corrupt state.

    • fuow

      True, but we here in Wyoming are doing our best to sink to their level.

  • Pat Padrnos

    As upsetting as it must have been for her to be removed from her presentation – I applaud her effort. And – now it is national news. Good work dear lady!!!

  • Friday

    Seems to me the halls of West Virginia government have gotten pretty overtly fascist lately.

  • Ninja0980

    So much for free speech eh?

  • Professor Barnhardt
  • ColdCountry

    Hm. If it was a point of order not to call people out personally, then could she not have said how much went to what percentage of the members of the committee? I applaud her attempt, but she could perhaps have gone about it in a way that they could not have stopped her. Until she hit the time limit, that is. I hope she wins her election, and I hope she gets a first class strategist to work with her.

    • But they didn’t mention that fact until she started calling them out. Ms. Lucas has the goods on these folks. She needs to find someone who will help her to fund a newspaper add outlining all the dirty oil money.

      • ColdCountry

        It was not in the rules of speaking? They let you know the time limit in advance, I would think they publicize all the rules. And if they didn’t, I would think it would be on them to let her speak. But we are talking about old rich white men.

        And yes, she needs to win!

  • Del Sam
  • Georgia Conroy

    “The bill Ms. Lucas spoke out against, House Bill 4268, would permit companies to drill on private land after obtaining the consent of 75 percent of the landowners. Current law requires that companies obtain approval from all the affected landowners, allowing any individual to prevent drilling.” Which is a distinctly big difference. –quote is from the NYTimes

  • mark99k

    Their actions have just delivered this story — which might otherwise have evaporated — to the front pages. What is it old white Republicans that gives them so little understanding of how events are communicated.

  • She looked like such a vicious hoodlum. Clearly a threat.