NEW YORK CITY: Video Appears To Support Defense Claim Of Bullied Gay Student Charged With Murder

Andy Humm reports at Gay City News:

A brief cell-phone video captures a harrowing September 27, 2017 assault on gay student Abel Cedeno in his Bronx high school class by Matthew McCree, joined by his friend Ariane Laboy, as Cedeno defends himself with a knife, fatally wounding McCree and slashing Laboy.

McCree, in a white T-shirt, can be seen charging across the classroom and pummeling Cedeno, in a pink shirt, with his fists, and Laboy joining in the fray, as well, while students are screaming in horror. As the nine-second video concludes, McCree is still standing and an adult in a red shirt has pulled Cedeno away.

Attorneys for Cedeno, Christopher R. Lynn and Robert J. Feldman, are calling for the manslaughter charges against Cedeno to be dropped in light of this evidence, which backs up what Cedeno told the grand jury as well as what student witnesses told the police.

Hit the link for much more. Cedeno is currently free on the bail that was provided by local gay men. The family of the dead student is suing the city of New York for $25 million.

  • Judas Peckerwood

    Take note, bullies.

    • ted-

      Trump!

  • bkmn

    Looking to cash in on their dead, malicious son.

    • Todd20036

      Well, they could always sell the body on the black market.

      • Silver Badger

        Parts is parts.

    • RaygunsGoZap

      Where’s GreenmanTN when you need a grip of tee-shirts to make a statement?

  • JWC

    you hit a dog with a stick only so many time and he will retaliate in self defense Its natural

    • Todd20036

      Too bad that didn’t work out so well against Huckabee Jr, or even with Mittens.

      • Prost Seattle

        I thought you meant Sarah Huckabee. And the stick was the ugly stick. But then I thought, ‘No, that is an uncharitable thought.’

        Eff it, she was beaten with that stick.

        • Scott Carpenter

          Stick, hell. It was the whole damned tree.

    • leastyebejudged

      Except that it often does the opposite. You end up with a whole class of timid, docile, frightened dogs that are too scared and too scarred to leave the cage even when the door is open. People can be the same way.

  • Treant

    I withheld opinion on the case as I had too little data. That just changed.

    Give Mr. Cedeno a nice gold medal and a cash prize. The parents of the dead kid? Lose the lawsuit, please, and don’t put me on the jury. I’d laugh your greedy asses out of court.

    • Jay George

      No doubt they are the ones who broke that kid in the first place.

      • Treant

        That seems very highly probable as I’ve noted it in many cases.

      • nocadrummer

        I’m waiting for the explanation that the bullies were “really good God-fearing boys” or “good Christians”. You know damned well, that would be the defense if they were white. And the boy defending himself would be locked up faster than a jackrabbit can f_ck.

    • Prost Seattle

      Maybe Mr. Cedeno can counter sue for emotional distress.

      • RaygunsGoZap

        Yup. Sue the dead kids folks!

  • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

    Haha!

  • Phil2u

    well, well, well . . .

  • another_steve

    A jury will have to decide.

    If a jury determines he was justified in believing – had reasonable cause to believe – that his life was in imminent danger, then he had every right to use lethal force to defend himself.

    • I think ALL charges should be dropped based on what the video shows. He was clearly acting in self defense and should not be subjected to a trial. If the defendant as a gay male is sent to prison for even a few days –even on a much lesser plea bargain – his life will be placed in jeopardy since so much publicity has been generated in this case in New York. He should not have to go through any trial.

      • another_steve

        Possibly.

        Me, I have zero moral/ethical issues with killing in self-defense where my or a loved one’s life is in genuine jeopardy.

        Zero.

    • Tomcat

      Use the same argument that Travon,s killer used. It will be hard to say one guilty and the other did the right thing. I would have done the same thing if I were him. The difference here is Travon’s killer went looking for trouble.

    • leastyebejudged

      I wonder how many times they told him they were gonna kill him.

      It’s little details like this I’d like to see come out in a court room, details the dead kids parents just ignore.

  • Tempus Fuggit

    If anyone needs me, I’ll be over here being shallow: Cedeno’s lawyer is hawt.

    • Ninja0980

      There is ahem..video of him out there called Real Couples 3 from Hot Older Male.

      • Todd20036

        You people are trite and shallow indeed.
        *hairtoss*

        • Treant

          You couldn’t find it free online?

          • Ninja0980

            There are places you can get it (cough cough Redtube) but you didn’t hear that from me.
            Fun fact is I have a friend that knows one of the other couples in this film, who may be the only ones out of that series they did that are still together.

      • Tempus Fuggit

        »scribbles notes to self«

    • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

      His office is in the Fire Island Pines

      • Tempus Fuggit

        Eh? Sorry, I don’t get it.

  • Treant

    OT: Hey, PickyPecker! Thanks for the advice on the plant light! I’ve ordered LED strips in red, blue, and white to build my own.

    Four red strips, one blue, one white (I hate the purple plant lights and plants actually do benefit from wide-spectrum light as well from recent studies). 12 watts of LED.

    • PickyPecker

      Great! I’m betting you will see a difference in plant growth/performance prior to getting things outside.

      • Treant

        At least on the initial sprouting rack and interior plants.

        But I do have 5 meters of red LEDs I could theoretically piggyback onto the growing rack downstairs…

        • PickyPecker

          Never enough, in my experience.

          Did you happen to get ahold of some of the new Catharathus r. ‘Mega Bloom Orchid Halo’ seeds? I got about 60% germ rate on them and am looking forward to offering them this year. 2017 AAS Winner – 3″ blossoms!!
          https://all-americaselections.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Vinca-mega-bloom-Orchid-halo-4.jpg

          • olandp

            That is a Vinca. Do they call it “orchid” because of the color? Vinca spread like crazy here to the point I consider them a nuisance.

          • PickyPecker

            Yes, is an annual form of Vinca and not usually invasive. and yes, the color is called ‘orchid’….we’ll see what it really looks like as it goes into blossom a bit later. Always hard to trust photos.

          • Gustav2

            I first got the hubby to buy them because I call the annual form “Impatiens that don’t need as much water.”

          • olandp

            I even put into out contract with the landscaper, “No Vinca”.

          • PickyPecker

            Yes, perennial vinca can get way out of hand.

  • matthewrettenmund

    I wasn’t 100% sure about this case, but did not like the dead student’s mother asserting her child was no bully, no way, no how. That looks empty now and I am hoping Abel prevails.

    • leastyebejudged

      They ganged up on him and beat him, and did it believing they’d get away with it, again.

      And they did it in a classroom.

      Frankly, I’d like to see all the attackers dead, and their idiot parents jailed.

  • Ninja0980

    I’m sorry a life was lost but actions have consequences.
    Abel had every right to defend himself from his tormentors looking to harm him and the fact one of them lost his life is on them, not him.

    • another_steve

      Tread carefully there, my friend.

      We’re denizens of civilization, not of the jungle.

      • Judas Peckerwood

        Using deadly force in self-defense from an immediate serious physical threat is completely legitimate. You can kill someone with a punch, too, you know — was he just supposed to sit there and take it?

        • another_steve

          We live in a nation of laws. Of juries. Not of “feel good” actions. A nation of law and legal definition.

          A jury – hearing and having access to all the details – will have to decide whether killing in self-defense was warranted in this case.

          • edrex

            sure, but i hope attention is given to salient context, namely that an adolescent was bullied and physically assaulted repeatedly before taking action that proved to be deadly. his age is not irrelevant either as adolescents are likely to be impulsive in general, and those who have experienced bullying tend to be more likely to have some executive functioning delays. (one could argue that the bully bears much of the burden as he was instrumental in creating a foe who might use deadly force. sort of a tragic lesson in interdependent co-arising.)

          • another_steve

            I too hope that the ultimate outcome of this case is heightened awareness concerning the insidiousness of bullying.

          • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

            Maybe if we called it ‘assault,’ instead of marginalizing it as ‘bullying,’ people would pay closer attention.

          • THANK YOU!
            Even those here on JMG who suffered from harassment and physical and verbal assault continue to use terms like “bullying” and “picked on”. I wasn’t “bullied” or “picked on” I was harassed almost on a daily basis beginning in elementary school right through high school. I was verbally assaulted frequently and threatened with physical assault on more than one occasion.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Bingo!!!

          • PRW

            The more sophisticated sort of bully is well aware of the insidiousness of bullying.

          • It Takes a Village, People

            #OFAT

          • TuuxKabin

            ¯_(ツ)_/¯
            There aren’t any definitions tagged with #ofat yet.

            Can you add them? Thanks.

          • RaygunsGoZap

            I googled it and One Factor at a Time was the best result….

          • TuuxKabin

            Got it. Thanks.

          • Robert K Wright

            Again, you are a fucking idiot. A “law” doesn’t help you when you’re being beaten down. A “jury” doesn’t help you when you’re being beaten down. Defending yourself from imminent harm does. Here’s hoping you never have to make the choice between your life and the “law”.

          • Chris Gardner

            I think the intent has to be looked at as well. If the kid says that he was just trying to get the perpetrator to back off and stop hitting him, I think most juries could understand it was self-defense. I also think the video showing him getting beaten by multiple people will also help.

          • sword

            Make sure the door to the cattle car is closed when the Trump train hauls you away to the ‘re-education camp’.

          • PRW

            Where is that nation, as it doesn’t sound much like the country that NYC is in?

        • Todd20036

          Right now, those “laws” are being used to justify discrimination against LBGTs.

          Those “laws” can be used to send us to concentration camps.

          You know about concentration camps, right?

          • Judas Peckerwood

            Huh? I assume you were responding to someone else.

        • leastyebejudged

          According to the apologists here, yes, he was supposed to just be a gentle little lamb victim, like many of these asshats here, just sit and cry and wait till someone helps him.

          Wait for the help that never comes, and BE the dead mourned little symbol for a pathetic moment of apologism and passivism.

          • sword

            Oh…you mean a typical Democratic member of Congress?

        • juanjo54

          I agree that one has a legal right to defend oneself. I know this can confuse some people but will try to explain the law at play here. Any killing is essentially a homicide. However it can be justified. This is why when a cop kills someone there is an inquiry into the events surrounding the incident and a decision is made as to whether it was a justifiable killing. Likewise here, this young man has committed a homicide and while I disagree with the decision to consider filing charges, the fact is the young man has a solid defense – he was protecting himself from an unprovoked attack.

          I should point out that one of the main attorneys involved in this case is an acquaintance of mine and he has said from the start that this kid would not be convicted on the evidence in this case. Most attorneys are not so assertive in the early stages of a case as he has been in this one and he is a very good attorney. Not at all given to flights of hyperbole.

      • Robert K Wright

        Seriously? What a stupid fucking comment. Defending yourself has been a staple of American Democracy. Civilized people defend themselves. I suppose you’d rather the young man just lay there and be beaten to death. You are a fucking idiot. Don’t care what you reply with, you are an idiot.

        • RaygunsGoZap

          10 years here and today I can’t read anymore of her shit. Somebody is so into their character that they’ll say anything.

          • TuuxKabin

            It’s the beefeaters, her iv is in.

        • Chris Gardner

          Hi, is this the police? Yeah, a guy just burst into my home and is beating my wife senseless. I have a gun but will wait for the police to arrive. – said no one ever.

      • canoebum

        Where was civilization when Abel was being beaten and tormented?

        • leastyebejudged

          I’ll tell you fucking where, smoking a cigarette in the fucking teachers lounge is where.

          • It Takes a Village, People

            When I was in school, back in the last century, it was routine for teachers to rough up unruly students. And if you complained to your parents, your parents would hit you for being a baby. And if you got bullied, your parents would find a way to blame you and leave it up to you to resolve it.

          • leastyebejudged

            Last century, I had teachers look the other way in HS when people SPAT on you. Couple years back I read an article about how one teacher I had in particular that was so fucking awful had received all sorts of accolades for her amazing work. She watched this kid SPIT on me and didn’t do a fucking thing. I’ll never forget it. Every time I see a teacher get an award now I think of her.

          • It Takes a Village, People

            One of those teachers in my circle (he hit me once BTW) was arrested for molesting female students. #KARMA

          • AC

            your parents sound like assholes

          • It Takes a Village, People

            Correct. Seemed normal to me at the time. Plus, I knew other kids who had it much, much worse.

        • another_steve

          A valid and excellent question.

          Where indeed.

        • It Takes a Village, People

          Those who did the beating and tormenting thought they were defending civilization by destroying the Other. They may have been brutes, but they may very well have had a philosophy.

          • canoebum

            Doubtful. More likely an exercise in power, instilling fear to inflate their own feelings of superiority. I suspect those who were inflicting the torture have no philosophy (or even know what it means). This was simply violence for the shear joy of it. An adrenaline rush, nothing more.

      • leastyebejudged

        “Establishment fall down and go boom”.

        If civilization fails people egregiously and consistently, it deserves to end. These are the steaks.

        • stakes.

          • leastyebejudged

            I was hungry when I wrote that.

      • It Takes a Village, People

        Please explain that to the attackers. The knife is a product of civilization.

        • another_steve

          I must not descend into my enemy’s pit.

          Please say this with me: I must not descend into my enemy’s pit.

          • It Takes a Village, People

            Survival comes before principle.

          • another_steve

            Me, I’m a “quality of life” guy.

            I’d rather be dead than share the ethical construct of my enemy.

          • It Takes a Village, People

            I’ll come to your funeral! 🙂

          • Joseph Miceli

            I’ll send flowers . Me …I’ll fight .

      • JCF

        You’re both right. We all have the RIGHT to self-defense. I CHOOSE —inasmuch as I can at that moment!—to exert mine non-violently. [I also reserve the right to call the cops, though pretty much by definition, non-violence ends at that point.]

        • another_steve

          I’m a 100 percent advocate of the right to self-defend – by lethal means, if necessary – where life and limb are genuinely threatened.

          This is the way of nature.

          All living things – from bacteria to human beings – self-defend.

          • JCF

            Nature, “red in tooth and claw.”

            The great thing about being sentient, is that we can choose to evolve beyond our animal natures. And that’s my choice.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d81cea04fdd128bda6d6dbb85bde86a9f74085ae4c338e1ca44a3c472b61bab5.jpg

          • another_steve

            No. We shouldn’t rue our natures, JCF. What we should do imo is drop all pretense and ego-lust and return to our natural, uncorrupted state – something spiritual leaders of all stripes have urged over the millennia.

            When we do so, we understand that we’re better off living in peaceful harmony with one another and tending to our loved ones – rather than being enemies.

            Philosophical Daoists refer to this, metaphorically, as the return to the “uncarved block.”

      • juanjo54

        I agree that we should not act like beasts in the jungle but that is not what the video shows nor what the testimony of witnesses shows. These bullies attacked him and this was not the first time. They had repeatedly threatened him with severe bodily harm and even death. He defended himself and did not seek them out. This is on the assailants and he has a good self defense argument.

        • another_steve

          If a jury decides he had reasonable cause to fear for his life, his use of a lethal weapon will be found to have been acceptable.

  • Todd20036

    And now I am grateful for all the capabilities we have of videotaping each other.
    Without the video, it would have been a he said/she said sort of thing.
    With the video, it’s self defense.

    • leastyebejudged

      Without the video people will simply believe their own bias. Well, they still do that now regardless of the video, but at least now you can talk endlessly about all the ways to interpret video.

      There were witnesses present that back up the video.

  • Ninja0980

    O/T but I know who that kid’s lawyer is.
    No knock on him but I wonder how long it will be before the state or someone from the bully’s family brings up his past to discredit him and thus his client?

    • Treant

      I’m sure they’ll try…but that seems like there’s a high probability of backfire there.

      • Miji

        Outing the lawyer for umm, freelance work, (pro boner?) seems like it may hurt your case if you are trying to prove your son is not an anti-gay bully.

      • leastyebejudged

        You’re sure ? Then you’re not familiar with US law, only way “they’d try” is if they want a mistrial. It’s irrelevant and prejudicial and grounds for people to loose licenses/be disbarred.

    • Judas Peckerwood

      The attorney’s past is irrelevant to the case and would not be allowed to be entered as any kind of evidence.

  • peterparker

    I’m confused. It says McCree, in a white shirt, charges across the classroom toward Cedeno, in a pink shirt. But the only charging across the classroom that I see is at the very beginning of the video, and the person doing the charging is in a pink shirt.

    • Ann Kah

      Nope, I don’t see that. The kid in the pink shirt, fleeing the other two, is largely obscured by the attackers.

    • The_Wretched

      I had to watch it several times. The apparent movement of pink is the camera panning to the left. Once we can see all 3 boys, the pink is moving backwards defensively (not something you can do after a charge) and the 1st white shirt is arm extended in a punch. Not a position of meeting a charge but in launching an attack. It’s after that punch that 2nd white shirt joins in.
      Pink shirt doesn’t return an attack until he’s backed up several feet.

      For the prosecution, i’d ask when and where the knife appeared. For the defense, I’d point out it’s 2 on 1 and the gay guy is a lot smaller than the other two as well as the timing of who went first.

      There is an affirmative duty at law to only do as much as you need to. If the pink shirt only stabbed a few times, that would go towards reasonable defense.

      EDIT – interesting side note, the anti-gay side in the comment section here is essentially always low post count. The regulars vary somewhat in their views but tend toward pro-gay (surprise!). The low post count drive bys, however, are anti-gay, false equivalence and other wise pearl clutching.

  • Blake J Butler

    She’s in a tough battle for reelection. Of course she would say this.

    https://twitter.com/vademocrats/status/960970761027686401

  • Bluto

    What is it the conservatives cry? Oh yes, STAND YOUR GROUND.

  • Leo
    • leastyebejudged

      Captain Obvious.

  • greenmanTN

    Is that the same lawyer Robert Feldman who did some work in porn? Just asking. Hey, I’ve admitted I have a certain fondness for the Red Sea Pedestrians. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/540521a55289f6b272d93a3c9814a2334e8fcc447811e813cd41d3471cf66f80.jpg

    • Ninja0980

      Yes.

    • Treant

      Well. Well. Well. Isn’t he a beauty?

      • Ninja0980

        His ex is too.

        • Treant

          And I see from the video he’s a pretty dominant oral top.

          Be still my heart.

  • Michael

    They got EXACTLY what they deserved.

  • Gigi

    I was mercilessly bullied as a kid by a boy who was a few grades ahead of me. He’d wait for me every day after school and follow me home, calling me names and tripping me. He pushed my into oncoming traffic once and I was hit by a car. I told a teacher and the principal and was told that because it didn’t happen on school property they couldn’t help me. I told my dad, he told me to man up. One day I saw him waiting for me at the bottom on the front stairs to the school and I snapped. I flung my body at him a few steps down and hit him with my full weight, knocking him over. As soon as I landed on him I grabbed his head and slammed it into the floor, over and over. When a teacher pulled me off of him, he was unconscious. I thought he was dead and freaked out. I can remember people whispering and staring at me, shocked that I was capable of such a thing. The principal said I should have come to him. Teachers said the same thing. “Why didn’t you tell me?” My dad said he was proud of me. I didn’t feel proud, but that kid stayed far away from me after that. Most of the kids did, which was fine by me.

    • Gigi you just made half of the readers of this blog get up and take showers. I’ve always admired those shoulders in your profile photo.

    • Treant

      I was horribly bullied in school to the point that I don’t have a lot of memories of it, actually.

      • GeneInSJ

        Same here. I barely remember high school.

    • greenmanTN

      1. I’m so sorry that happened to you, Gigi. (I was a bullied kid too.)

      2. Good for you!

    • The_Wretched

      I moved a lot and was bullied. A couple of them got me with random 1 shots. The persistent types lost every fight they had with me. I never lost control to the point of a KO on them though.

    • Ben in Oakland

      I had much the same experience. I was always the bullied kid. One day, this guy started on me at lunch. He continued as we entered our classroom together. I snapped, jammed him in between the pencil sharpener and the wall, and beat the crap out of him.

      Three sweet pieces of revenge.

      Several kids told me he deserved it.

      The next day, he came up to me and told me that his mother said I had to pay for his ripped shirt. I laughed in his face.

      He never tried that again.

    • rextrek1

      1977 – 10th grade – shop class…a kid same age but a bit smaller/tougher…who hung around with a bigger kid…were in my class and would always say shit to me to torment me…so I always made it a point to be 1st out when bell rang…….well, on this one day…just as the bell rang and I sprung out the door – this kid, and the bigger one were right behind me……..he knocked my books outa my hand and pushed me….I SNAPPED……jumped on him with full force..started pummeling him…..his larger friend walked away…and just when I was about to Punch his face with all my might — a senior grabbed my arm and said letm go…which I did — that’s the last time he ever laid a hand on me…….as his bigger friend called him a pussy all the way down the hall…..

    • greenmanTN

      FWIW, I stood up for myself in a different way. My English teacher made a comment in class about “that fag Boy George.” I wasn’t a huge Culture Club fan but thought “fag” was way over the line and I was pissed. So I drew a caricature of him as Boy George, silkscreened it onto t-shirts, and sold them. A few years ago I was cleaning out my mother’s barn and found the silkscreen. (One of them anyway, it was actually in 4 colors.) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6aadc2a113e9f0bcabac44b1a166ea661a8028e5d2eb634074529480801a0450.jpg

      Never piss off someone who knows how to print t-shirts. 😁

      • edrex

        i like you more and more.

      • Artsy

        Awesome!

      • metrored

        That is AMAZING! How did the school respond?

        • greenmanTN

          They were… not happy, but I was about to graduate anyway, and his wife was my art teacher, I made them at school, and she knew what I was doing (though not why) so there wasn’t a lot they could do about it. I was so disconnected from school at that point I didn’t even buy a yearbook, but there’s a picture in it of me wearing the shirt and him choking me. He was considered a “cool teacher” at the time, but the “fag” thing pissed me off.

          The funniest/weirdest comment I got was from my social studies teacher, who said “I thought you were a communist!” because I made a tidy little profit from selling the shirts.

          I was a bullied kid and not everything that happened was as rosy as that, but that’s the one where I stood up (in a subversive way) and got away with it.

      • Chris Gardner

        As someone who is also from Tennessee, you had me at, “cleaning out my mother’s barn.” 🙂

      • iambu

        Awesome.

    • Todd20036

      As bad as the kid was, I’m more appalled at the school. I would have said, I DID go to you first and you said nothing.
      SO I took justice into my own hands. Got it?

    • Mike C.

      I just wanna give you a hug!

      • Todd20036

        While naked. And covered in oil.
        You filthy slut.
        Well, you’re thinking about it now!

        • Lindoro Almaviva

          why does it have to be oily, why not soapy?

    • JP

      I got lucky. First day of high school i ended up sitting in front of the star football player in biolog7 class, 4th period. He made it clear that if I helped him on homework, id never be touched by any bullies. I was protected all 4 years lol. Ironically, i ended up in a 5byr relationship with a bully. Guess I didnt dodge it.

    • Nic Peterson

      I understand completely. I endured years of bullying and escaped as soon as I could. In my mid twenties I learned that one of my tormentors had passed away of an undisclosed infection. ( we all know what kinds of undisclosed infections may have killed 25 year old men in South Florida during the late 80s ) The news of his passing didn’t phase me at the time but 25 years later, it occurs to me that often times we hurt our own most often.

      • Joseph Miceli

        That’s the one thing that gives me pause and all of the stories of bullying . We have the victims of bullying and then we have the bullies who might just be trying to deflect from the fact that they’re gay . It is a sad situation all around .

        • Nic Peterson

          We allow ourselves to be separated from our own and must prove ourselves worthy of the herd. I don’t think this part of growing up has changed.

    • JDS

      Good for you.

    • metrored

      They always ask, ‘why didn’t you come to me?’ as if they would have done anything. That’s what my vice-principal asked me when I was sent to his office after ramming a kid into a wall in sixth grade after years of bullying. I asked him what he would have done and he didn’t have an answer so he let me go without a punishment.

      • mark99k

        All that “why didn’t you say something” horseshit is almost more infuriating than the bullying itself. But I think we’re past the point of giving a fuck about school administrators’ excuses. And while we all know the trend of bullied kids taking things into their own hands may be a rocky, risky path, if it’s effective in even a few cases, it’ll get onto those bitches’ radars (and the media), and their inaction will be seen as the indefensible selfishness that it is.

        In my case, my bully was harassing another kid who was locked inside a parked car when a peculiar event transpired that ended up throwing him (the bully) onto the pavement. He hit his head and went into a coma. That was 1968. As of my last info (early 1980s) he was still vegetative, and all I can say is fuck yeah.

    • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

      I’m a ‘me too’ here. After I stuck this kid who bullied me every damn day with a nail file, teachers and vice principal were all “you should have said something.”

      I did. They ignored me, so I handled it my way. BTW, the bully never bothered me again.

    • Kevin

      Back in High School, my friend— a girl— started pressuring me to become her boyfriend. When it became clear I was avoiding that topic, she began hurling “fag” at me almost every day for the next few years.

      I recently ran across her Facebook profile and it turns out she’s now happily married to another woman. I sent her a quick message to say hello and we’ll hopefully reconnect as friends at some point.

      She might even be reading this now.

    • Joe in PA

      That’s awful.

      Like so many others…I have a similar tale. Except this was my older brother and my younger brother tag teaming. I finally snapped one day and started whaling on my younger brother (I truly did not know I had it in me). Of course big brother stepped in at that point and stopped me. Motherfuckers. Who the fuck does that?

      I wish I could give you a hug.

      • Gigi

        Thanks. How’s your relationship with your brothers today?

        • Joe in PA

          As with all families: it’s complicated.

          I guess I would have to say it is pretty good although I don’t speak with my younger brother much. He has issues of his own. My older brother and I are on pretty good terms at this point although he was always a handful growing up.

          I think the thing that set me off at the time was the fact that I thought my younger brother was kind of on my side. We were much closer in age, but when they ganged up…it was just too much and I exploded in rage. I still vividly remember jumping on his back, hitting him with everything I had. Like you…i didn’t feel proud…just sort of relieved.

          I’ve been reading the stories here and kinda getting emotional. Guess 40 or 50 years later…it still hurts. Stupid kids.

          • Gigi

            Sounds a lot like my family. The stories have been hitting me as well. Started with the news story of the kid who was bullied, which brought my memory out. Then so many of you shared your stories as well. That’s what I love about this place. JMG really is a family!

          • Joe in PA

            🙂 And like all families, there is some bickering here and there. 🙂

    • fuow

      Good for you. The only time I couldn’t defend myself as a teenager was when my parents were out of the country on a family emergency and I was left with a mistakenly trusted neighbor. Bitch let the school put me in the nut house for what today would be called conversion therapy.
      My parents got me out as soon as possible, but it left me with a hatred for psychologists who torture gays that is boundless. When I came into family money, I used it to track down my torturers. One, sadly, had Alzheimer’s and was beyond reach. Another, though, was in a clinic, dying of lung-cancer. I visited. Every day. Family thought I was a ‘dear patient’ whom he had ‘helped’. I read him every single passage of the Bible about what awaited him in Hell. With copious amounts of Dante (oh, the benefits of a classical education). Lying there, no longer able to speak and more than a bit spaced out, only his eyes showed the terror he was experiencing. Sadly, he died the third night.
      I pissed on his grave, sent flowers to the funeral of the Alzheimer’s ‘victim’ with a delightful card and a pleasant message:
      Ut vos nunquam in pace (which is not the best Latin but it made it past the ushers and up onto the coffin, so don’t bitch, dahlinks).
      I fully support any gay or transgender child who defends against an attacker, be it physical or a conversion ‘therapist’ with deadly force. Torture would be even more appropriate, but one can’t have everything.

    • Joseph Miceli

      Good. I’m sorry you had to go through that that little son of a bitch got what he deserved . It is better to be alone than to be a tortured but no child should have to go through either . Let’s hope the world is changed .

  • Blake J Butler

    Barbara is caught in a web of lies. Democratic opponents to Barbara:

    We’re coming to get you Barbara!

    https://twitter.com/abcworldnews/status/960967286298329088

    • Her constituents in Northern Virginia who rely on federal government paychecks- or people who shop and go to restaurants after receiving them — kinda expect her to say this.

    • clay

      “You can say what you want, we’re not getting support from the Democrats on this legislation,” the president replied. . . about a bill co-sponsored by more than 25 Democrats? Or is tRump proposing an entirely new (as of yet un-drafted and not introduced) bill?

  • VodkaAndPolitics

    Hey Now! There are very very fine people on both sides. 🤦🏻‍♂️

  • Blake J Butler

    Claire is out raising him campaigning all over the state.

    https://twitter.com/christopherave/status/960971667760648194

    • What is it about Missouri and hot douchebaggy male Republicans – like adulterer and blackmailer newly elected governor, former Navy Seal (kinda) Eric “biceps” Greitens?
      https://youtu.be/7kUo131NFSw

      • Blake J Butler

        He was a DINO that was convinced to run as a republican puppet. He deserves everything coming to him.

        • The guy was a perfect future Republican Vice President — movie star handsome, smart, socially moderate (and Jewish which would be good for blue states and winning places like Florida and Pennsylvania), good military record — the only problem is that he is a sex maniac and blackmailed his lady friend. A typical Republican.

        • Dreaming Vertebrate

          Hey!

          • Blake J Butler

            Different Dino dreaming vertebrate.

      • olandp

        So, it wasn’t improper to have an affair?

    • Ninja0980

      Never forget that “moderate” John Danforth used his clout to get Clarence Thomas onto SCOTUS, in part by convincing other Republicans such as Nancy Kassebaum (back when Kansas had decent people) who were on the fence to vote yes, a vote she made clear was due to that and one she regretted.
      The fact he is pushing this asshole is just another reminder that most “moderate” Republicans are still pieces of shit.

  • BeaverTales

    The Bronx is by far the toughest borough to grow up in. I lived there with my BF at the time (2001). He was a high school teacher. Dealing with the poverty, the gangs and the social issues (aka incarcerated family members, broken families). There were always conflicts among the different ethnic groups that took up more of his day than the lessons did. Even back then, they had to pass metal detectors in order to enter the school. The other boroughs were supposedly not nearly as bad.

    If you read the article, McCree’s mother (like most clueless parents) is in total denial about her kid’s gang membership. The parents in the Bronx often were terrible, were often too young, and disengaged from the school system, but very demanding in that they expected teachers to raise their kids for them.

    It’s a horrible place to be a kid, and the kids typically wind up raising themselves. After they graduate, many wind up pregnant, in jail, or working a dead end job. It was a depressing and stressful year for us, especially after 9/11. We wound up leaving NYC with our relationship in tatters.

    • It’s coming back though. Redevelopment in the Bronx is a big thing now.
      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/03/realestate/the-bronx-is-building.html

      • TuuxKabin

        It’s called gentrification.

        • leastyebejudged

          Yup. Money changes everything. Except poverty, for some reason people with money can’t figure out a way to make poverty as obsolete as landlines.

          • Dazzer

            ?

            There is no way in hell that landmines are obsolete.

            I hope I’m not coming across as obnoxious, but I don’t understand your reference.

          • Randy Left Brooklyn

            telephone land Lines.

    • leastyebejudged

      This sounds uncannily like a lot of rural america.

    • kareemachan
  • kareemachan

    Your bully kid is dead. Hey, make some $$$$ off of him!

    • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

      Do you really think mommykins gives two hoots about her dead offspring? First off, I assure you she has others, and none of them would ever provide her with the $25m payday that she sees here. The City will probably settle in the $7/10m range, which will keep her in Kools and Hennessy for the foreseeable future. And yeah, I too grew up in the Bronx.

  • TJay229

    I fully support the actions of this young gay man, just as i fully supported the actions of El-Amin (The Black man who Beat the White “mouthy” gay man with a chair).

    Both victims should have known better than to hit someone first.

  • Joseph Miceli

    Oh gee. What bad manners. Didn’t Cedano know he was supposed to kill HIMSELF, not the bully? Isn’t that how it usually works?
    Fuck these people. For once one of ours fights back and though I’m sorry the other kid got killed I think it is a small loss. He’s 15 and violently attacking another kid because he’s gay. Maybe his parents should have done a better job with him.
    Here’s to hoping Cedano gets off scott free.

  • MT YVR

    When discussing things like social justice there’s this idea of “tone argument” that people try to randomly derail conversations into. And it always makes me shake my head. Because in essence is says : no matter how bad things get YOU don’t get to be upset about it.

    When stories like this come out it’s apparently impossible not to police it with that same set of arguments.

    So at what point does a gay person have the right to not take shit anymore and in what specific scenario is it ok for them to defend themselves as a valid, real, worthy human being? Like the thousands of stories last year about people who were straight and/or white and/or male who were able to “resort to violence” in a way that not only does the law of the land support but the culture approves?

    If for once some one could give me that I’d be truly thrilled to stop thinking, when I see these stories: “Well, sucks that we don’t all just lie there and take it, doesn’t it?”

    We hold certain groups to such standards that no one else has to live up to. Gay? Well, be hit and beat. “A better person” would… not hit back, not resort to swearing, not get upset… they’d… what? Exactly? Every other person minus that label of gay? We’d fucking CHEER as they slapped the ever living shit out of the people.

    Women, black, whatever… it’s lovely as shit to sit here and debate whether or not it’s appropriate responses and what they should have done. Now, since that wank is done can we talk about how that’s nowhere near the same conversation for almost anyone else?

    • leastyebejudged

      I want this to go to trial and it come out just how many times and in what classes he’d been assaulted in, and what was done about it.

      It’s too bad we’ve such a culture of ignoring problems until they involve felonies and the prison industrial complex.

  • ErikDC

    I think this case should still go to trial.

    • fuow

      Why?

      • ErikDC

        I don’t find the video to be definitive. I would be undecided on manslaughter if I was on the jury and that was the only piece of evidence presented. It doesn’t support dropping charges.

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    “The family of the dead student is suing the city of New York for $25 million.”

    And on what grounds? Your son attacked another student repeatedly. Obviously trying to get attention away from their parenting.

    • Gianni

      And the smell of money.

    • MBear

      Bullies learn it at home

    • leastyebejudged

      There are cops and metal detectors everywhere and some kid still manged to get a knife in and kill him.

      They have a decent case. They’ll probably win millions.

      And despite this, nothing will change in the school system or the cultures that created the problem.

      It’s ironic, had a tiny fraction of what it all ends up costing society, the taxpayer, etcetera been invested in the kids living in urban poverty this could have been avoided entirely. But no, we’ll learn nothing from this one either.

      • PeedeResistance

        A homophobic bigot of a gang member who viciously attacked a smaller kid with the help of an accomplice? Yeah, they’ve got a great case. The defense is called jury nullification, and it works, and in this case it should work.

        • leastyebejudged

          Jury nullification is a right wing wet dream nowadays.

          Good thing they don’t let those freaks on juries.

          • PeedeResistance

            LOL

  • JDS

    I was bullied a bit in Middle school, till I stood up to the kid. In High school, same situation until I became taller and bigger than the oppressor.

  • Pip

    Mixed feelings on the use of lethal force, but honestly… when are we allowed to finally fight back? Sorry he didn’t just lie down and take his beating (yet again) like we’re expected to do. Sorry he didn’t go home and kill himself like we’re expected to do. When are we allowed to defend ourselves? Because once they’ve killed us it’s a little too late. I was lucky in school. I fought back enough that I had a reputation of someone not to pick at. But I know of many kids who didn’t have that and the miserable lives they lived. Lives that were a few times cut short by their own hands.

    So yea, when is it okay for us to finally stand up and stop taking the abuses?

    • Silver Badger

      Damn right it’s ok. Time and past time we defended ourselves. He didn’t use lethal force until he had to.

    • Bambino

      If I am in the same situation, rest assure I will take down at least one attacker along with me to hell and back. Self defense is not murder. People get shot for less offense. If homophobe, Nazi or terrorist coming at me they better be ready to be taken out.

    • leastyebejudged

      Well I’d point out that you should ask for help first before you go stabbing people to death from teachers and administra haha, hahaha, hahahahahahahaha, sorry, I tried….

      • ECarpenter

        You’re saying that no teachers noticed the bullying that was going on in front of their faces? That the victim actually had to point it out to them for it to become real?

    • ECarpenter

      It’s an old American principle that when you are attacked you can defend yourself. Too many gay people have been beaten to death in the past, we all need to be ready to defend ourselves. This kid had been driven to carry a knife because his assailants ganged up on him repeatedly. I’m glad he’s not the one who is dead, it could easily have been him dead and his assailants in court.

  • Silver Badger

    Hopefully there is a fund set up for legal fees and college for this brave young man. He defended himself. Good for him. The best thing the State can do is give Mr. Cedano his knife back and teach him how to keep it sharp.

  • Chris Gardner

    It just occurred to me that we ALL should be calling our local school principals, going to board of education committees, etc. and pushing them to protect LGBT and other bullied students. We need to be those adults who stand in the gap to protect these children, especially even now as the other adults fail to do their job. We can help prevent future kids from being bullied as so many of us were in school.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Sorry, but I can’t bring myself to care about the death of such scum, I just can’t. I’m done being told I should feel sympathy for the bully because they may have been bullied at home; at some point, personal responsibility has to be accepted. Sorry, but no tears will be shed for the bug, they will be shed for the young man who was brutalized and defended himself.

    • Bambino

      He had it coming.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        He attacked and his intended victim killed him. One could say he “stood his ground.” Hey, if it can work for a racist scumbag like Zimmerman, why not work for an actual victim of a crime.

    • #DJTK5F

      So you agree with capital punishment?

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        I agree with the removal of vermin.

      • ECarpenter

        I agree with defending yourself against potentially lethal attacks. Too many gay kids have been beaten to death by their peers.

        • bzrd

          the “interrogator” says,” but he’s the only one who brought a knife.” The defense attorney did a great job of pointing out he needed the knife because he was the only one being bullied and maybe for years. Where were the teachers?

      • fuow

        In this case, absolutely.

      • BJORN RAGNVALDR

        This is not a case of capital punishment as administered by the state. This was self defense in a moment of fight or flight, with no room for flight.

  • PeedeResistance

    There is no way NYC should give the opportunistic bitch a dime. Drag her through the courts and find someone to countersue.

  • fuow

    The mother-fuckers who attacked him both deserved to die. Pity, only one did. This young man has done nothing wrong, he should be exonerated, recompensed for his ill-treatment and released.

  • Art

    Maybe we need our own #MeToo equivalent on the bullying many of us suffered in school and the ostracism we suffered from our schools, our ostensible friends, our family, the media, and the public in general. I think most people think it’s pretty much all good now for us and do not realize what we individually and collectively went through on the way here.

    Although I was physically bullied in grade school, the really scarring bullying happened to me in high school. Someone who I thought was my best friend ghosted on me. I wasn’t out to anyone, even him. He subscribed me to Playgirl, applied to colleges using a female version of my name, and ordered pizzas to my house in my name over and over and over. I was not ready to come out and was afraid my other friends and family would figure out what was going on and turn on me, too. More than 30 years later I still don’t really trust my friends not to turn on me and terrorize me with what they know about me. Without thinking, I keep everyone far enough away that I can’t be hurt like that again. If they get too close, I create distance without even realizing it until later.

    • greenmanTN

      It started for me in elementary school. The city had annexed part of the county so suddenly I was in a different school with people I didn’t know, had no history with. My main immediate bully was the son of my teacher, so complaining to her was out the window.

      Did you know that if you put a tack in the eraser of a pencil and rub it really fast back and forth on carpet it will get hot enough to cause a 2nd degree burn on someone’s face? Neither did I until it happened to me. Oh, and if someone stabs you in the arm with a pencil you can still see the mark decades later, but oddly the graphite looks blue under the skin.

      It didnt happen every day, just often enough that I was waiting for it and could hardly concentrate in class because I was too busy tracking everyone in the room, even the people behind me, in case they suddenly became a threat. It had a profound effect on my grades, thus has affected my entire life. I failed 7th grade, despite scores on standardized tests that said I should be thriving in school. When I went to college I had to beg to get in. The admissions officer looked at my SAT scores vs my high school grades and asked “Did you even GO to school?!”

      It truly is a huge problem, especially for LGBT kids, and we don’t take it seriously enough. It breaks my heart every time I see a news story about a gay kid who committed suicide, often in response to bullying. Irrationally I often feel anger toward that kid, want to shake them and yell “Goddamnit, why couldn’t you have just held on?! All this stuff you think is so important, life or death, is temporary. It passes!”

      Insane, I know. It isn’t the kids who kill themselves or self-harm who are the problem.

  • Sporkfighter

    “The family of the dead student is suing the city of New York for $25 million.”

    What did the city do? Did they fail to prevent a bully from attacking another student, thereby failing to prevent a victim from defending himself?

  • PlutoAnimus

    I said it before, and I’ll say it again.

    The kid’s a fucking hero.

  • ETownCanuck

    If this were happening to an adult, there would be criminal charges filed, likely a restraining order, there would be an expectation that the adult would be able to legally defend themselves by any means necessary….not only should it not be any different when it’s a child, but there should be even harsher penalties involved for the bullies, including fines for their parents.

  • edrex

    thanks for the groovy tip, melanie.

  • Ogre Magi

    I hope he goes free