Liberty Counsel: We’re Like Holocaust Victims

Last month the Liberty Counsel lost its defamation lawsuit against the charity rating organization GuideStar, which had marked them as a hate group using information provided by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Liberty Counsel president Mat Staver is out this week with a typically insane characterization of GuideStar’s move.

Kyle Mantyla reports at Right Wing Watch:

Staver complained that GuideStar has gone from “a neutral entity” to a left-wing “political activist organization” under its president, Jacob Harold.

“Because of his liberal political activism, he decided to partner with the SPLC and slap these labels on [organizations],” Staver said. “You have to ask yourself, why did he do it? Why was he trying to do it? What was his motivation? It’s very clear what his motivation was. His motivation in terms of what he said, what they did, how they did it is to harm these nonprofits, to put, essentially, if you will, a Star of David on them like the Nazis did to the Jews. Wanted to isolate them, identify them, and ultimately economically boycott them.”

GuideStar has since removed its hate group designations, citing, in part, “threats to their personal safety.”

  • Will Parkinson

    Of course, he mentions nothing about murder.

  • bkmn
  • Boreal

    Yes, you being called out for your actual hate is exactly like the genocide of millions of people.

    • swimboy

      Remember the good old days when Mat and his buddies used to see it as a badge of honor to be on SPLC’s hate list?

      • Todd20036

        Until they realized people weren’t donating as much to a hate group

    • JP

      Anyone who uses a comparison like that shows how little you understand of real persecution.

    • JT

      They’re beyond sickening sacks of shit.

  • Todd20036

    Then feel free to climb in the ovens and turn them on.

    We won’t stop you.

    • Mark Née Fuzz

      In fact, I’ll hold the door as he climbs in.

    • Uncle Mark

      Be sure to tell him that you saw a wad of donations in there waaaay in the back

  • Travis Morrow

    No, Holocaust victims are like Holocaust victims. You are the Liberty Counsel. Are Trump’s cognitive problems spreading?

  • Refugay

    “If you will.” No, I won’t.

  • The_Wretched

    “GuideStar has since removed its hate group designations, citing, in part, “threats to their personal safety.””

    That would be the conservative christian terrorists. Again.

  • AtticusP
  • clay

    Is Mat Staver the only human stupid enough to fund-raise by touting his failed lawsuits and by bitching about the past even when he got what he wanted?

    • The_Wretched

      He’s personally a multiple millionaire from his grift.

      • clay

        I wonder how much he made as “Liberty” “University”s online Dean of their online Law school?

  • sfjohn

    POOR, poor hateful snowflake ‘victims’

  • Mark Née Fuzz

    I really thought he’d be a holocaust denier.

  • Joe in PA

    I stopped at: Last month the Liberty Counsel lost….

    • clay

      It’s a nice stopping point.

  • Boreal
    • popebuck1

      Their business model isn’t about winning cases – it’s all about fundraising. If they won their cases, they’d be out of business.

      • Boreal

        We know that but their rube donors don’t.

        • David Walker

          …and Mat isn’t about to tell them any different.

      • clay

        Christianity– a religion by victims for victims, even if they’re not victims.

        • StudioTodd

          Well, you know what Jesus said in the bible: “Blessed are the idiots, the easily led, the gullible. For they shall always be losers, which is sort of like being winners, except for the losing.”

          • “You’ll get your reward in Heaven when you die. Make sure you’re buried with your baptismal certificate.”

        • Galvestonian

          You’re right … more right than you think – study early Christianity – that’s one of the reasons why Christianity succeeded – Christians always persecuted, always the victim even when they weren’t.

    • 2patricius2

      “So don’t lose any sleep while you wait.”

  • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

    If only he and his ilk could be traded for the real victims.

  • Matt

    It’s funny how these people don’t like being identified for what they are. Like they’re insulted that we noticed or something.

    He reminds me of Todd Starnes, though – keep your kids away from him.

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

      too young. But I was always in favor of him in the VP slot, to keep young blood in the pipeline

      • Gustav2

        Or running to get his name out there nationally for a later run.

        Not every D pays as much attention as we do.

      • Lazycrockett

        I don’t think 43 will be 45 in 2020 is too young. I think that’s a sweet spot generation wise.

  • Bambino

    When you are dead and your skin is being use to make lamp shade and when the survived families speaks of your plight shall you compare asshole!

  • gaycuckhubby
    • Lazycrockett

      Poland is really flirting with Authoritarianism.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        “flirting”?

        “Sir, what are you doing with that cock in your mouth??”
        “Just flirting.”

    • William

      The Polish government always blames atrocities committed by Poles as being done by a “few bad apples”. It’s like their official apologist used to work for a fraternity.

  • JDS

    No, no you are not you vile assholes.

  • Rex

    Get off the cross, Mat, someone else needs the wood.

  • It’s really simple–if you don’t want to be labeled as a hate group, then stop acting like one.

    And for clarification–is the issue here that Guidestar has caved and stopped using the label hate group because supporters of hate groups threatened their staff’s personal safety? So the hate groups are rewarded for acting like hate groups?

  • Friday

    As the Christian Right aligns more and more with actual fascists and Nazis, they of course have to flip the narrative about how ‘martyred’ they are by reporting on what they actually say and do.

  • Boreal
  • Lars Littlefield

    More militant christian terrorism. Prove me wrong.

  • Tomcat

    Yes, I see how all christians are being marched into the death chambers by the millions. Thoughts and prayers to you.

    • bzrd

      better send some tots and pears, too
      get hungry on those long train rides

  • TimCA

    O/T:

    Another member of our community has been arrested in Turkey.

    “Ali Erol, a prominent Turkish LGBTQ activist, was arrested and detained in his home in Ankara on Friday, Feb. 2, according to human rights observers.”

    http://www.metroweekly.com/2018/02/prominent-lgbtq-activist-turkey-arrested-home-ankara/

  • Natty Enquirer
  • Tomcat

    Quick, hide in the attic for the next ten years.

  • The_Wretched

    OT: watching the DOW on teh side here. Yoyos bounce less.

    • DaddyRay

      Donnie is probably calling all of his friends trying to get them to buy to keep it afloat

      • The_Wretched

        The commodity chairs already do that on their own. Always have but even they have limits.

        • DaddyRay

          Well one thing is for sure, Donnie isn’t using his own money

          • bzrd

            right
            “bought” coins

      • safari

        That’s what the Chinese government did with its fledgling stock market, IIRC.

      • The_Wretched

        I’m not sure I buy it. It is a colorable argument, however. I think it’s just as likely that he’s tap-danced and circumstances just happened to work out a certain way.

      • Stubenville

        Seriously? At this point Cheetolini still has friends?

        • DaddyRay

          Da Comrade

        • PeterC

          As long as he keeps Congress giving them each a Billion or
          Two.

    • safari

      I’m thinking it ends the day neutral.

      • The_Wretched

        That would be the best outcome. Slightly lower would be ok too.

        it remains to be seen if we’re just returning to volatility being the norm or if this is an uneven bubble pop.

        • safari

          If I cared enough, I’d look at the volatility indices.

      • Stubenville

        My crystal ball says a 2% spread max.

  • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

    Can we please make this a reality for them so for once they’d be telling the truth?

  • Lazycrockett

    These folks must be so glad there isn’t a commandment bout Not Whining.

    • Smokey

      Not sure it would matter. They have a poor record of following the existing ones.

  • Gustav2

    Liberty Counsel and the FRC are not political activist organizations!

  • Mickey Bitsko
    • zhera

      !!!

      It’s not the Star of David, Mat, it’s a swastika. Own it!

  • popebuck1

    Because if there’s one thing you associate with Holocaust victims, it’s “sending death threats to charities.”

  • Pollos Hermanos

    I wonder if Mat Staver can see all of Orlando from that cross he’s nailed himself to.

  • HZ81

    Except for the living and breathing part, he’s so right.

    What a vile POS.

  • Ben in Oakland

    “Wanted to isolate them, identify them, and ultimately economically boycott them.”
    but not put you in death camps, asshole. Just marginalize you like you want to do to everyone who doesn’t share your theocratic agenda.

    • Friday

      And *then* the Christianists want to put LGBT people and others in camps.

  • safari

    Poor Nazis

  • Blake J Butler
  • Stubenville

    No, you’re more like a bratty child who didn’t get their way.

  • DaddyRay

    Being a Nazi is a lifestyle choice

  • boobert

    Then let’s use him for medical experiments to see why he’s so stupid.

  • Tomcat
  • Gregory B

    What an insult to Holocaust survivors.

  • Fifth-and-a-Half Element

    What say you, Ms. Franklin?

    https://youtu.be/yPW5JDZolu4

  • BJORN RAGNVALDR
  • Droz

    It’s more “carve a swastika in the forehead” than “star of David” patch

    https://youtu.be/iF5NW94K51A

  • Gustav2

    When they start pinning pink triangles on you don’t give us a call.

  • Uncle Mark

    Staver, are your assets being seized? Are you being herded into concentration camps, or gas chambers or ovens? NO?!! Then SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU GODDAM HYBERBOLA-SPEWING DRAMA QUEEN !!

    • Friday

      They try and deceive people about who they are donating parts of their paychecks to. They are all on a crusade against the SPLC because if people know about what they do, they’d lose a lot of funding from the unsuspecting, not to mention from CEOs that don’t want to deal with the outcry.

  • marshlc

    GuideStar has since removed its hate group designations, citing, in part, “threats to their personal safety.”

    I guess I’m just naive, but it seems to me that threatening the personal safety of a rating organization is something a hate group would do.

    • Nowhereman

      And if we had a functioning justice system, those making the threats would be the ones living in fear of being arrested.

    • BobSF_94117

      Uh, abdication of responsibility there, GuideStar.

  • Nowhereman

    It’s really not a secret, Mat. You guys are a hate group. You would like to put people like me in prison, or throw me off a tall building, or rile up a bunch of your followers to beat me to death. So pull up your big boy panties and get a grip, snowflake.

  • Lee Grupsmith-Pedersen

    Striped pajamas or it never happened, Matt.

  • Uncle Mark

    “….like the Nazis did to the Jews. Wanted to isolate them, identify them, and ultimately economically boycott them.” Funny, isn’t this what the Liberty Council has sought to do to the LGBT at every opportunity? They really are clueless and incapable of introspection. Is it any wonder they lose every case they fight in the courts?

    • Friday

      Uh, ‘ultimately’ the Nazis did more than ‘economically boycott’ the exact people, gay people included, that these Christianists hate.

      • Uncle Mark

        Well, we all know where Staver’s plan to isolate the LGBT will ultimately lead…even if Staver doesn’t. History too often repeats itself.

  • JP

    I remember when they all were first labeled as hate group and were honored by it. Not so great now you shithead.

  • Mike Knife
  • MBear

    That’s just obscene

  • FAEN

    This mother fucker did NOT just compare himself and his cronies to the millions of men, women and children who were tortured and killed by the Nazis right?

    FUCK he makes my blood boil!!!!

    • The_Wretched

      He’s with the people who think they get to dictate morality as well. And call anyone who isn’t on their team immoral.

  • 2patricius2

    Like Nazis saying that they were the real Holocaust victims. Revolting. Mass murder. Genocide. And these pathetic haters are saying they are like the millions of Jews and others who were murdered, simply because they have been called out for their hate.

  • JWC

    poor ole Matt just go away

  • another_steve

    We get frustrated and angry.

    Staver laughs all the way to the bank.

  • DaveMiller135

    Mat, this is the context in which you might reasonably mention a single activity your organization undertook that wasn’t about undermining the rights of gay people.

    Anything? Bueller? Bueller?

  • Tread

    Jesus, these hate groups are such whiny-ass titty babies. “Waaaah! We should be free to hate who and how we want to without anyone saying anything back!!!”

  • misterjack

    With arguments like this, no WONDER he can’t win a case.

  • Michael

    To compare yourself to the victims of the Nazi’s when you’re actually the modern day Nazi is just obnoxious.

  • Gene Perry

    How dare you. You ignorant back-water redneck asshole. (and those are my politest words) How dare you compare yourself to the Holocaust victims.

  • RainbowPhoenix

    Strange, I don’t think I’ve ever heard of any of you being systematically murdered.

    • Talisman

      There was that one time the security guard at FRC headquarters was grazed by a bullet.

      • RainbowPhoenix

        Which was immediately and universally condemned by every gay rights organization. Whereas it’s like pulling teeth to get this bigots to say that they condemn the frequent hate crimes against us.

  • Ninja0980

    Were you murdered or put into camps?
    If not, then shut the fuck up.

  • BearEyes

    we’ll keep throwing lies and shit against the wall. something will eventually stick.

  • jmax

    “…ultimately economically boycott them.”
    No, Mat, ultimately they murdered the Jews. When that starts happening to you poor, put-upon and persecuted haters, then get back to us.

    • clay

      . . . and now we know, boys and girls, the extent of Mat Staver’s belief in the Holocaust.

      • MaryJOGrady

        Great point.

      • jmax

        “The Holocaust – The Ultimate Economic Boycott!”

  • BobSF_94117

    We should go full Nazi on them and make them wear dollar signs on their sleeves.

    • Uncle Mark

      I’m thinking a cross with a dollar-sign

      • jmax

        In green.

    • OdieDenCO

      tattoo it on their head or hand. they sold out to the beast let them wear the mark

  • Uncle Mark

    They don’t want their hate to be called “hate;” they want it called “religion.”

  • KnownDonorDad

    Send them to live in an attic in ISIS territory for a while.

    • jmax

      Wow. Even I don’t hate ISIS that much 🙂

      • KnownDonorDad

        “For the love of Allah, take them back!”

  • Silver Badger

    What an absolute crock of shit. Don’t like being referred to as a hate group? Stop being one.

  • greenmanTN

    I’m not going to dignify that with a response.

    Well, OK, I lied.

    “He’s in the attic!”

  • MusicBear88

    Are you dead in large numbers and burned in mass graves? No? You’re not Holocaust victims.

  • joe ho

    California judge sides with Christian baker: you don’t have to bake that gay wedding cake.

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/02/06/forcing-bakers-to-make-gay-wedding-cakes-violates-free-speech-california-judge-rules

    Just wait until SCOTUS makes this the law of the land.

    • CB

      I didn’t realize that it was The Blaze when I clicked over. Wow are there some hateful, barely literate people there.

    • Sleeper Girl
    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      I’ve said it before and I’ll repeat it again, I have no issue with a bakery refusing to bake a wedding for gays, but I insist that such businesses publicly post their “limitations” with prominent signage so that consumers know exactly what kind of business their patronizing. After all, if their so Star Spangled certain about their convictions, surely telling the world they don’t serve “those people” shouldn’t be an issue. Funny thing is, I suspect if they were required to do that, they’d balk.

      • joe ho

        I disagree. People had no problem posting No Coloreds Here. We’re past those days. Public accommodation laws need to be respected.

        • Jean-Marc in Canada

          I agree with the principle of your statement, I’m merely pointing out that if the courts are going to side with these assholes, they should at least be forced to own their bullshit publicly.

  • andrew

    How utterly shameful it is for them, with their little court battle, to compare themselves with the Jews in Nazi Germany. It’s like a guy with a tiny acne pimple comparing his troubles with someone with late stage ovarian cancer.

    • -M-

      No. It’s Bigots, who got called bigots for being bigots, comparing themselves to people who were murdered by similar bigots.

  • MonochromeMouse

    Oh Matt, honey, the guys in the black suits with the skulls, eagles, and lightning bolts on them weren’t victims, you’re getting your words mixed up again.

  • David

    When the far-right needs to stoop to this level of crazy, you know we’re wining.

    We won; they lost.

    Sure, they may win another small battle or two, but they know that they’ve lost the war

  • David

    With a freak-out like this, it can only mean that yet another one of thier leaders was caught fucking underage boys…again.

  • Stubenville

    “It was ghastly, simply ghastly!”

    Gloria Upton

  • ceeenbee

    Yes matty, because making it difficult for your hate group to discriminate freely is just like millions of people who were exterminated for no other reason than their religion, sexual identity, physical or mental handicap.

    god! What an asshole.

  • You’re still alive, bitchass.

  • teedofftaxpayer

    This guy is a pathetic POS. There is no other description for him.

  • dbishop75

    People always ask me how can I be more supportive of those that practice Islam instead of those that practice Christianity. It’s simple. Islamic radicals will simply kill me if they feel my life violates their religion. Christians, on the other hand, will make every day of your life miserable with denying services, rights, and the ability to make a living for oneself – all the while telling you that it’s all your choice.

    I’d rather die than live a life of pure theological hell.

  • Piet

    Okay. I’m sitting here trying to figure out which part of Staver’s claim offends me more: “put a Star of David on them”, which is so clearly a dog whistle to his anti-Semitic audience, or comparing his plight with that of Holocaust victims.

  • TheManicMechanic

    Uh, call us when your dead, emaciated, tortured bodies are being bulldozered into mass graves, then we’ll talk. Eventually.

  • boatboy_srq

    So, they’ve all been rounded up, tattooed and branded, and shuffled off to FEMA camps for orderly disposal….

    …what? They’re roaming freely? They’ve not even interrupted their broadcasting?

    Oh.

  • boatboy_srq

    Something tells me Staver is confusing the Star of David (used by Nazis to identify Jews) with the Mark of the Beast that his group sports.

  • RaygunsGoZap

    « And ultimately economically boycott them… »

    Yes, idiot, that was the ultimate goal.

  • -M-

    The name is GuideStar, their motive was to inform people about the charities & ‘charities’ asking for their money so they can make informed decisions about which to support based on things like how they align with their values and how much of the money is eaten up by administration.

    And no a rating of an organization in a rating book by a private company that no one has to pay attention to is nothing like people being forced to wear a designation in public.

  • JCF

    “Liberty Counsel: We’re Like Holocaust Victims Perpetrator-Wannabes”: FIFY.

  • anne marie in philly

    OH FFS YOU ARE NOT! are you in prison? are you being murdered on a daily basis? are you having horrible experiments performed on your body? are you starving? NO? THEN STFU!

  • Halou

    “…like the Nazis did to the Jews. Wanted to isolate them, identify them, and ultimately economically boycott them.”

    Nothing like a little bit of holocaust denial before bedtime, eh? Something tells me the Nazis went a bit beyond economic boycotts.

  • wmforr

    Sorry, but I am reading George Soros’ father’s first-hand account of the holocaust as seen by a Jew in Budapest. To hear anything other than mass slaughter compared to the holocaust turns my stomach. Yeah, and comparing affordable health care to slavery, ditto.

  • GanymedeRenard

    Oh, just STFU, you drama queen! You know you could stamp a pink triangle on us queers to send us to the Sachsenhausen camp if you could! Never forget!!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b592b19efb8f31640d636c0b63f13be8589150385304ac0fb4edabd901591b4d.jpg

  • And the RWNJs call us snowflake.

    What a waste of skin he is.

  • Jack

    It hit me a few weeks ago that “grammar nazi” and “spelling nazi” have softened the impact of the word “Nazi.” Now Staver is broadcasting that the Nazi’s “ultimate” aim and the reason for requiring the Yellow Star of David be worn was for “economic boycott”!!!!

    Wow.

    Ultimate = final. The Final Solution was NOT an economic boycott.

  • agcons

    No you fucking are NOT like Holocaust victims, you stupid scum-sucking crawler. You’re ALIVE.

  • Pip

    I’m sure there are some folks that could show them exactly how much they aren’t. What a fucking ahole.

  • adamj2013

    Is economically boycotting them the same as gassing them, because that’s what ultimately happened to the Jews.

  • JT

    Liberty Counsel: We’re Like Holocaust Victims

    Victimisers, more like.

  • Jon

    Let me know when they start gassing Mat as I’d like to view the live stream.