COSTA RICA: Court’s Ruling For Same-Sex Marriage Vaults Evangelical To Front-Runner In Presidential Race

The Associated Press reports:

An international court ruling saying Costa Rica should allow same-sex marriage has upended the Central American nation’s presidential race, turning an evangelical candidate who opposes it from an also-ran with just 2 percent in the polls into the leading contender in Sunday’s vote.

Following last month’s decision by the Inter-American Court of Human Rights, Fabricio Alvarado, a 43-year-old journalist with a prominent career as a preacher and Christian singer, vaulted to 16.9 percent in a survey published Jan. 31 by the University of Costa Rica’s Center for Research in Political Sciences, or CIEP.

Alvarado’s nearest rivals were Antonio Alvarez of the National Liberation Party with 12.4 percent, and Carlos Alvarado — no relation — of the governing Citizens’ Action Party with 10.6 percent. If no candidate tops 40 percent in the vote, the first two finishers advance to a runoff scheduled for April 1.

The same poll showed that just over two-thirds of Costa Ricans oppose the court’s ruling, which also tells the country to grant same-sex couples rights such as the ability to adopt children and receive inheritances and other benefits from their partners.

  • PickyPecker
  • bkmn

    He’s an Evangelical, he must be screwing on the side. Dig Costa Rica, dig!

    • TominDC

      Yeah, but what are the chances that the “people of god” there would care about the skeletons in his closet?

      I doubt Costa Rican evangelicals are any less hypocritical than US evangelicals.

  • Michael R
  • Boreal

    Disappointing. I always thought CR was fairly progressive.

    • JaniceInToronto

      Well, there goes Costa Rican bananas from my shopping list.

      I suppose I’ll look for Ecuadorian ones. There seems to be lots here.

      • TuuxKabin

        I join and support your decision.

        • Snarkaholic

          Likewise.

          • TuuxKabin

            Thanks. What’s that you’re choppin’ there? Carrots?

          • Snarkaholic

            Yes.

      • AmeriCanadian

        Other than fiber and a few essential nutrients such as potassium, they’re mostly starchy sugar. I gave them up a long time ago.

      • Steve Smith

        Pineapples too. A lot come from CR.

  • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

    Disappointing. So much for any vacation plans to CR. Lots of other choices in Latin America where gay rights are supported by the law AND by the people

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN
    • GayOldLady

      What does the bible say about a husband who isn’t a virgin? Let me guess, NOTHING!!!!! First it was Eve then Delilah and Jezebel and few less notables. Women..absolutely the reason for everything wrong man has ever done.

      • AmeriCanadian

        Well…women are essentially left out of being condemned in the bible for lesbianism. So there’s that. /s

        • GayOldLady

          Still most of christianity interprets those OT passages as referring to any same gender sexual interaction. Even when we’re not specifically named we’re guilty. 🙂

          • customartist

            The ignorance of the Religious-Right

          • greenmanTN

            Well y’all did eat the forbidden fruit after all. Eve didn’t have to eat it, but NOOO, she just had to have it!

            Considering the fruit came from the Tree of Knowledge I’m personally on #TeamEve and #TeamSatan on this one.

          • Silver Badger

            She coerced Adam to eat of the forbidden fruit. If he had refused, we’d still be in the garden of Eden and Adam would be on his third wife.

          • greenmanTN

            A trophy wife named Pam, a former flight attendant, who isn’t very smart but is really really sweet?

          • McSwagg

            You forgot to mention her big silicone bazungas.

          • Uncle Mark

            Wouldn’t Adam have run out of McRibs by then, or was he just a rib-makin’ machine? GREAT….Now, I have a hankering for BBQing some ribs.

          • Silver Badger

            Lilith was made of the same clay as was Adam. Eve came from a rib. Pam came from a different body part yet.

          • Silver Badger

            The secret’s in the sauce.

          • greenmanTN

            Or his husband, Steve.

          • McSwagg

            All this time I thought his husband was named Yves.

          • Uncle Mark

            “Forbidden Fruit.” That’s my porn name.

          • Librarykid

            Thus the twin goals of most religions: keep people stupid and fear women in general and smart women in particular.

          • Dazzer

            Same bloody story throughout history: a woman goes off her diet for just one moment and she spends the rest of eternity being pilloried for it.

          • greenmanTN

            Does this fig leaf make me look fat?

          • GayOldLady

            If that damn apple proved nothing else it proved how petty and malicious their god is. I ate a banana that my mother forbid me to eat and all I got was a good whipping.

          • jerry

            Genesis doesn’t actually say the serpent was Satan, that was just a later xtian interpretation. And it was actually their god who lied (touching the fruit will kill you) and the serpent who told the truth (won’t kill you, will give you knowledge). That’s why, for millennia, the serpent was the symbol for knowledge… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2fb756f307bef5387edb58ecc8356bca331baed17cf6005f287d215c41c8b4e1.png

          • Robincho

            Ah, la caducée!…

      • skyweaver

        Men also are apparently opted out of extensive public debate about their reproductive anatomies and how they should be legally controlled

        • AmeriCanadian

          Where’s the outrage of the religious “right” when ED drugs like Viagra and Cialis are covered by health plans? I have yet to see any opt out clauses for those drugs.

          • Librarykid

            Patriarchy explains a lot.

          • skyweaver

            Oh because that addresses a “health” problem. A defense which is ignored when women make it for birth control (which does other things for health reasons other than prevent pregnancy)

        • GayOldLady

          Weird how they worked that out, isn’t it?

      • Silver Badger

        Of course. You don’t expect us to assume blame for anything. Now get back up on you pedestal. It makes you an easier target. :-). It appears the average straight man does not really like women. Go figure.

        • GayOldLady

          I know, it’s mystifying.

      • greenmanTN

        Go back even further than that and Jewish mysticism gives us Lilith, Adam’s first wife, who was banished because she refused to submit to him, considered herself equal. That’s where the name Lilith Fair came from, and why Frasier’s dry, acerbic and ball-busting wife was named Lilith.

        Lilith was banished and later was characterized as a demon, who did things like steal and kill children.

        You uppity women and your lady business! 😉

        • Silver Badger

          The version I read said “she did not sow, nor did she reap”. I took it to mean she was a lazy party girl. Your version makes more sense.

          • greenmanTN

            Lilith was made from the same dirt as Adam, thus was equal. Eve was made from Adam’s rib, thus was “of him” and subservient.

            Fun fact: I forget the exact percentage, but a shocking number of Evangelicals, when asked, thought men have one fewer rib than women because of the Adam & Eve thing.

          • Lars Littlefield

            Odd fact: I’ve got 13 pairs of ribs. An occurrence that is not so uncommon in humans . . . that is, if I actually am human.

          • greenmanTN

            The jury is still out. 😉

          • Acronym Jim

            I had read somewhere that the legend of Lilith was created to resolve the discrepancies between chapters 1 and 2 of Genesis. I Chapter one, they are both created at the same time, in Chapter two, you get the story of the rib.

          • greenmanTN

            I helped a friend with his student film, a really embarrassingly bad thing I last saw almost 30 years ago. It was about the book of Genesis. For the Noah story we portrayed God as a malicious child pouring water into an ant farm.

            I’m a long time heathen, lost my faith during an argument on whether Jesus could beat up Superman with. an asshole neighbor kid. I was supporting Jesus, yelling “Jesus is REAL, Superman isn’t!” then suddenly realizing I had no more evidence for Jesus’ existence than he did for Superman.

            The story about how I later got baptized by accident is really pretty funny.

          • jerry

            No, Lilith, Adam, and most of Genesis were created from far older Sumerian stories. The Hebrews didn’t start writing anything down until around 500 BC, after they got out of captivity in Babylon, where they evidently also had access to the libraries.

        • Uncle Mark

          Hell, if Eden was paradise, then why was Lilith supposed to submit to anyone? Clearly, this was only supposed to be paradise for Adam.

        • Andymac3

          So Eden was really Adams man cave with a Hooters bar, it finally makes sense.

          • greenmanTN

            And God said, “Let there be bodacious ta-tas, and there were.

          • JCF

            Works for me! 😉

          • greenmanTN

            True story. My freshman year of college I was assigned a roommate who who started talking, along with his friends, about all the poon-tang and bodacious ta-tas they were going to score. I immediately knew this set-up wasn’t going to work so I went to the dorm supervisor and said so, told him I wasn’t planning on being there much anyway, and I was assigned to be the roommate of a Chinese exchange student NOBODY wanted to room with because he cooked funky stuff in his room and had packed all his belongings in mothballs for some bizarre reason. The room reeked of mothballs! I mostly lived at my 30 year old boyfriend’s apartment.

            I look back on stuff like that and am amazed at how bold I was. For a very shy guy I could be very direct when I needed to be. This room assignment isn’t going to work, I’m planning to spend most of my time at a “friend’s” place anyway, and you need to fix this. My parents were confused when they called the dorm payphone number and no one had any idea who I was.

        • GayOldLady

          We’re such bitches

  • Friday’s_cat

    Fabricio?
    Sounds like an apt moniker for a Christian Scamvangelist.

  • Anastasia Beaverhousen

    I’m heading there in April for work..may have to rethink extending my stay.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      There is ( or at least used to be ) a fantastic gay hotel in San Jose.

  • JT

    Religion tends to corrupt. Absolutist religion corrupts absolutely.

  • Mikey

    for a country where 79% of the GDP is “services” (a very large part of which is tourism), this is going to turn around and bite them in the ass.
    They are already having some trouble controlling their country’s debt.
    Oh, but that’s right… god will provide.

    • Boreal

      Yup, always been on my list to visit but not if this guy wins.

      • Mikey

        I hope InGen reconsiders the location for Jurassic Park.

      • TuuxKabin

        Wouldn’t go anyway, ever. Heard too many and read too many incidents as FUOW writes. Maybe paradise, but so is hell to some.

      • Steverino

        Hubby has wanted to go there for quite awhile, I proposed we go there to celebrate his 70th birthday (about a year from now). Scoped out a gay-owned resort on the Pacific side with rave reviews, reminiscent of Island House in Key West. Haven’t made reservations yet (it is still too soon), but may need to reconsider. Of course the anti-gay rumblings in Indonesia started heating up months before we flew to Bali a year and a half ago to visit an ex-pat friend of ours, and that gave us pause, but we went anyway. No incidents, but I doubt we will go there again. If he’s up for a long flight, maybe I could talk him into going to Gay Mardi Gras in Sydney next year, instead.

  • hoover2001

    Religion’s a hell of a drug.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      It will kill ya !

  • SoCalVet

    my husband and I stayed at the four seasons in CR. After we walked to our hotel room together, I watched 4 gardeners talking about us from the window above, motioning towards us, and take out machetes and mimed stabbing us in the guts. The managers at the four seasons were sorry, but didn’t really care that much. I guess it was acceptable. I’m never going back. I have a friend who went there several years ago and contracted some type of bacteria that attacked the myelin in her nerves, and she came back on a medical transport, completely paralyzed from the neck down. She remains paralyzed in a nursing home, almost dead in her mid 50’s.

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      That’s scary as hell.

      • SoCalVet

        It sounds like I have something against CR, but I don’t, I’m just reporting the truth, sad and scary as it is. I would like to think the best of CR.

        • Reality.Bites
        • Librarykid

          It is a good place to grow pineapples.

        • Todd20036

          the biggest problem wasn’t even the bigots, but the apathy of the others

        • Robincho

          They gots them some SERIOUS viruses, bacteria and bacilli down there. I’m a grown-ass man, standing slightly north of 6’4″, and tipping the scales 39 pounds south of Dumpy’s “239”. Never in my
          life have I felt more as if I’d been mown down with a scythe.

          Still, before all of that shit, I DID drink all the likker in Costa Rikker…

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Was there years ago and everything was fantastic.

      Not sure if the jesus freaks have invaded since to make that same trip now impossible.

      • SoCalVet

        no it was probably just my luck! course, the bacteria thing….I don’t think I would go swimming much.

    • TuuxKabin

      Not the first time I’ve read about such an incident. My first put off was how wildly popular it became, then the evangelicals shoving the mormons out, then homophobic incidents like you experienced.

    • TominDC

      That is appalling. I hope you contacted the head office and told them exactly what happened.

      • SoCalVet

        I didn’t contact the main four seasons….and we left the very next day, cancelling all other plans. I did make a police report with a translator and got a written copy.

    • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

      Let’s not forget that there are many places in Latin America where gay rights are widely supported by the people. Disappointing that CR may not be among them. That said, isolated incidents can happen anywhere (not saying yours was just cautioning against anecdotal evidence)

      • TuuxKabin

        So many cultures embraced it as healers. Then xitianity.

      • Chris Gardner

        We should only spend our dollars where we are welcomed.

      • SoCalVet

        I agree it is anecdotal evidence, I was just expecting the opposite…haven’t had it happen elsewhere…but could have been a fluke, I admit. Definitely just two stories in a sea of good reports I’ve heard from there. Lots of friends went and enjoyed.

        • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

          I didnt mean to come off as argumentative. And the article Joe posted is not anecdotal. I just wanted to remind people there are lots of other places in Latin America where we are welcomed.

          • SoCalVet

            Me either. I totally agree with you. 🙂 But you do have to be careful everywhere, of course.

    • Librarykid

      Remember shit hole countries like this when making travel plans. Fuck ’em; let them stay in their religion-induced ignorance and poverty.

    • jonfromcalifornia

      There goes my plans to retire in CR.

  • Scout
    • ChrisMorley

      It’s the UK’s Guardian again, with dastardly investigative journalism

  • MikeBx2

    Elect him and then he can pray away all of CR’s problems. Good plan.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Love that country.

    No Evangelicals anywhere near office please!

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Wait the ballot will read :

    _ Alvarado

    _Alvarado

    _ Alvarez

    Confuse!

    • Hue-Man

      2020 will be so much easier in USA
      TRUMP

  • AmeriCanadian

    Are Costa Ricans jealous that they didn’t make the shithole country list?

  • SoCalGal20

    Joe Kennedy is on Joy’s show right now!

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Hope she asks him why he is against medical & recreational MJ

      • TuuxKabin

        Probably associates it with the harder stuff his family’s been caught up in. Tho mostly alcohol, he’s not separating the two?

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          Someone said he takes big Pharma $

          • TuuxKabin

            Well, there ya’ go. Sigh. While big phama takes our $.

      • GayOldLady

        He needs to educate himself. This won’t fly with most Dems.

  • Gustav2

    Let’s not be over confident.

    “Democrats lead by 14 points among likely voters in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll, a result reported previously. But that reflects a vast 38-point Democratic lead in districts already held by Democratic members of Congress. In districts the Republican Party holds, by contrast, it’s a tight 45% to 51% Democratic vs. Republican contest.”

    “The Democrats’ lead in their districts, 64% to 26%, marks the extent of potential Democratic overvoting in areas where they’re already in control – which partly reflects a Democratic concentration in urban areas, and possibly also gerrymandering of district lines.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/strength-party-strongholds-key-midterm-outcomes-poll/story?id=52795264

    • Halou

      Gerrymandering is so much fun.

    • joe ho

      There’s a good chance the millennial voters will be more mobilized in 2018. They hate Trump 3:1. So polling, based on past turnout, may be underestimating the anti-GOP vote.

  • Harveyrabbit

    OT: What’s up with the back of tRump’s head/hair??

    https://twitter.com/gtorres25/status/959643649893195776

  • Stogiebear

    Fabricio Alvarado looks like a pedophile. Now, I’m not saying that FABRICIO ALVARADO IS A PEDOPHILE, or that FABRICIO ALVARADO IS A CHILD MOLESTER, or even that FABRICIO ALVARADO IS A KIDDIE FUCKER. But I sure as hell am saying he looks like any or all of the above.

  • Halou

    I don’t think he’d do very well in any runoffs. Firstly he is hardly a candidate people thought of before, with about 2% of the polling results. And secondly he is a one issue wonk. I’d hope that other candidates in any runoff can pull in people who prioritise other policy issues.

    • Beto

      Like the credit downgrade? Costa Rica economy is in a serious bind after several financial outlets like Standard & Poor’s downgraded the country’s credit confidence for potential foreign inversions this year, an already another downgrade from the last year. This fiscal year is in danger since there’s no signal of how to finance at least 50% of the country’s financial budget which by the way a big chunk comes from financial markets (i.e. foreign investment). Too bad for the ‘ticos’ since this country was a beacon of political and financial stability in Latin America.

  • Gerry Fisher

    Every time we get a tiny bit of breathing room, there’s a backlash. It’s wearying. [sigh]

  • bkmn
    • AmeriCanadian

      Borrowing money to give to the wealthy. Perfectly normal.

      • customartist

        Typical standard Republican M.O.

        • bkmn

          And Paul Ryan is gearing up to use the coming deficit as an excuse to cut every safety net program he can, so he can get a bigger bonus from the Kochs

    • customartist

      National Debt no longer matters to Republicans.
      Let’s just make the rich richer, so they can in turn make Republican Politicians even richer, all on the backs of our grandchildren

      • AmeriCanadian

        The end result will eventually be hyperinflation followed by economic collapse. But hey…history, it’s not like we can learn anything from it.

        • Librarykid

          Not when you are paid to ignore it like gutting Glass Steagall.

      • bkmn

        It will matter to them again, as soon as a Dem is in charge.

      • Librarykid

        The deficits only matter when we have Democrats in control of at least one of the branches and who want to do something to help the less well off. The GOP should all burn in hell.

    • Christopher

      Remember to punch any Republican who claims that they’re the fiscally responsible party.

    • SoCalGal20

      Winning!

    • MBear

      The domicraps and their spend spend spend. Trump is a biznuss men! He’ll put is reich! Murrikkka! /s

    • DaddyRay

      They will recoup that when they dismantle Medicare

    • BJORN RAGNVALDR

      The deplorables wanted him to run the country like a business. He is running it like his businesses…into the ground.

      • DaddyRay

        He is running it just like any other Trump business – problem is the US can’t declare bankruptcy and walk away

        • BJORN RAGNVALDR

          I don’t think he’s thought it that far ahead, the US can’t declare bankruptcy but he can walk away, if he isn’t walked away before then.

          • DaddyRay

            True, he can walk away but we get stuck with the bill and have to rebuild after another GOP caused catastrophe

        • David L. Caster

          Well, the US could declare bankruptcy if it wanted to plunge the country and likely the world into a giant depression. All US currency would be essentially worthless. All government programs that provide financial services and relief to citizens would cease to operate. A cascade of other shutdowns of government entities would follow. The US banking system would probably collapse.

          • Kruhn

            The US can default, sovereign debt cannot be taken to bankruptcy. A US sovereign debt default would cause a new Great Depression that would destroy the world’s economy.

            Alexander Hamilton is doing the jitterbug in his grave at the sight of what succeeding generations did to the “full faith and credit” he painstakingly built 230+ years ago .

          • David L. Caster

            Yeah, I know. It would be bad.

    • greenmanTN

      But Republicans are the fiscally responsible party vs the tax and spend Democrats.

      That cliché is one the ones that piss me off most. They fuck it up, we fix it, yet somehow they are credited with being fiscally responsible.

      • MBear

        It’s only propaganda. The ignorant masses are used to a steady diet of it. It’s like fresh meat to a starving beast

      • Librarykid

        At least it’s tax and spend as opposed to cut taxes and spend which is not fiscally responsible.

      • jerry

        That, and “run the government like a business”. How many businesses would purposely cut a huge percent of their revenue, and then expect those cuts would lead to larger revenues in future years?

    • Tomcat

      But we will borrow from Russia now,,not China.

  • Boreal

    OT:
    More corporate greed. This time fucking over our fellow citizens in the Virgin Islands.

    Home Depot destroys 1 million pounds of supplies in wake of hurricane
    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/2-investigates/home-depot-destroys-1-million-pounds-of-supplies-in-wake-of-hurricane/691725218

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Despicable. Will not set foot in that store ever again.

      • Lars Littlefield

        But . . . but . . . it’s only that one Home Depot in the Virgin Islands. Not ALL Home Depots are bad, /s

        • Jerry Kott

          From what I read recently that the founder of Home Depot stated about the Democrats, many of who work for the organization, I won’t shop there. In fact we shop at Lowes.

          • BobSF_94117

            Lowe’s donates to the GOP. The HD CEO retired over a decade ago. One chain scored high on gay-rights. It isn’t Lowes…

          • Silver Badger

            Ace?

          • BobSF_94117

            No, HD. Ace is a franchise-based company. I suspect the bulk of local owners are GOP.

          • Silver Badger

            Depends on the franchise.

          • Jerry Kott

            In my neck of the woods, there are 2 choices. It is the lesser of evils. But the founder of HD made his comment recently.

          • BobSF_94117

            Lowes is not the lesser of two evils. They’re worse than HD on many levels, including gay-related ones. The HD founder is just that a FORMER CEO, no longer associated with the company (except that he owns stock, I’m sure).

          • johncAtl

            He doesn’t own enough stock any longer that he shows up in SEC filings.

          • BobSF_94117

            Probably why he felt so free to run his mouth on national TV. I wonder if he resents the company.

          • Jerry Kott

            thanks, I will write that down somewhere.

      • Tomcat

        Me either, but not just for that. they love trump.

    • BobSF_94117

      That article has a lot of distortion, first and foremost this:

      About 90 percent of the buildings on the U.S. Virgin Islands were destroyed or damaged

      Yes, it’s true but only if you include everything down to minor damage.

      Having HD closed was a real pain, but the article is still unfair, and HD certainly didn’t act out of greed. That said, they could have alleviated a lot of misery by letting people have construction materials rather than destroying them. I’m sure the decision to close and not let people in even to salvage was based entirely on liability. The store is almost finished — only a couple aisles still closed. They’ve essentially replaced everything except the giant shelving racks, which were stripped down to the steel and cleaned. (The bigger of the two K-Marts was stripped down to the cement and steel shell, not even the linoleum floor was kept. It won’t open for months — the pharmacy is open and they’re selling appliances in the “lobby” area where check-out used to be.)

      In general, I was very disappointed with the big-box stores and their response to the twin storms. I think part of the problem is that whatever corporate plans they have for damage to a store are based on a typical situation where there are other HDs and other undamaged competitors within a reasonable driving distance. That doesn’t work on an island.

      One locally owned company let people in even though a good portion of their roof was gone. The other competitors to HD were open

      • Boreal

        Bullshit. the people of the island support this store. It was the very fucking least they could do to give away the supplies and write them off. I hope the people of the VIs boycott them.

        • BobSF_94117

          I beg your pardon? Bullshit what? I said I was very disappointed. A lot of people were, especially at the destruction of material.

          If you saw the store, you’d understand why they would have had concerns about liability. If they had assessed the situation right away, after Irma, they might have come up with a plan to clear out what they could from the safer sections of the store. But who would have done that? The staff was all stuck at home under curfew, like everyone else. For days. Then trying to find fuel and food and water, like everyone else. Then Maria hit. Repeat above. By that time, mold had taken hold and the store was dangerous. (I went to K-Mart when they opened a portion of the store to try and clear out some inventory a few weeks after Maria. Even after two weeks of cleaning, your throat would close when you entered the store, just from all the spores in the air.)

          People also forget that the inventory of useful items — plywood, plastic, batteries — was all sold before the storms hit. If HD failed at anything it was in not responding to the demand for plastic and wood and GENERATORS sooner than they did. They could have shipped down hundreds of containers of the stuff once the port was working again and sold it all in the parking lot.

          • Silver Badger

            Your post’s sound like first person observations. It is hard to change minds that do not want to be changed. Besides, Home Depot and Lowe’s are both basically evil, so it is easy to believe the worst.

          • BobSF_94117

            They are first-person. I live here.

          • Silver Badger

            Very cool. I’d live on a tropical island if it wasn’t for hurricanes. Same thing with California and earthquakes and the deep south and bigots. Obviously, I am spoiled by living in Colorado. I try to pretend I live on an island by seldom leaving the 5 mile radius of my home.

          • johncAtl

            In what way is Home Depot evil?

          • Silver Badger

            Employment practices mainly. Too many temporary workers and not enough full time with benefits workers. They are very corporate. The anti union meetings put me off too. I admit I have worked in worse places.

          • johncAtl

            That’s the state of the retail industry these days.

          • Boreal

            I’m totally uninterested in their liability versus doing the right thing.

          • MBear

            Until the roof caves in on some people and then everyone points and screams, “OMLOG! You let them go into a bldg you knew was unsafe!!!”

          • Boreal

            They have a parking lot. They could have cleared out the building (which I’m sure they had to do anyway) and let people take what was salvageable and had them sign a waiver.

        • BobSF_94117

          Oh, and they’re not going to boycott. I went yesterday and the place was packed, probably because people heard they’d mostly reopened the whole store. Only a couple aisles and the garden dept are closed. Side note: HATE the new check-out configuration.

      • johncAtl

        WSB has long been known as the news station in Atlanta where “if it bleeds, it leads.” They sensationalize everything.

        • BobSF_94117

          I was wondering. Atlanta is home to a large portion of the St. Thomian diaspora. Hard to understand how the station could get away with such a distorted view.

          • johncAtl

            If the cameraman filming that reporter had swung around you would be looking at the HD corporate headquarters. I’m sure they positioned their truck, at a busy time of day, so it would attract attention from the corporate office

    • Tomcat

      What do you bet they shipped the products out and faked the destruction of t6he product.

  • greenmanTN

    If you’re happy and you know it, it’s a sin!

    • customartist

      lol

  • Lars Littlefield

    But . . . but . . . not all evilgelical christians are bad. Just the bad ones. /s

  • Jerry Kott

    Then Boycott visiting Costa Rica.

  • Friday

    Evangelicals have been going into Central America trying to trash it and vulture off the suffering for a long time, now.

    • edrex

      evangelicals are the trump of religion: every thing they touch turns to shit.

    • Kruhn

      The Catholic Church has also helped too.

  • bkmn
    • DaddyRay

      I predict the first state dinner to be with Russia

      • bkmn

        Burned steaks or cheeseburgers?

        • DaddyRay

          Everything will be imported from Russia

          • customartist

            Whores from Rotchacockhov

        • DaddyRay

          Some special Tea for opponents

      • Karl Dubhe

        I think they’d be wise enough to avoid that.

        The first state dinner is likely to be with a smaller nation than Russia; perhaps Puerto Rico? 🙂

        • Tomcat

          You give them way too much credit for smarts.

          • Karl Dubhe

            The Russians or Trump? 😀

          • Tomcat

            Are they not the same????

        • UrsusArctos 🐻

          Paper towels as “parting gifts”? Nah, it’ll be either Nambia or Covfefe.

      • Tomcat

        I predict trump starts a McDonalds franchise in the Whiteyhouse.

      • Hue-Man

        White House: Trump to host Macron at first state dinner
        https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-emmanuel-macron-state-dinner-washington/

        April iirc.

        • jimbo65

          Oh good. Poor Macron will be treated to more of 45’s leering of his wife.

          • J Ascher

            She should wear a burka for the occasion!

    • customartist

      Rose McGowan?

    • Ben in Oakland

      The dead ones.

    • Harveyrabbit

      Ted Nugent, Kid Rock, Chachi, Kirk Cameron, Steven Segal… a few others. Can you imagine a worse dinner party? McDonald’s, well done B- grade steaks and ketchup, lots and lots of ketchup.

      • bkmn

        I wonder if Nugent will shit himself.

        • Dazzer

          “if”?

  • Tomcat

    OT the memo turned out to be less than a nothing burger, it turned out to be a FOXBURGER.

  • Slippy_World
  • 1980Gardener

    This is a good example of the dangers of relying upon the courts to impose rights.

    Acceptance doesn’t come from legal rights; it comes from public support.

    • GanymedeRenard

      Sorry, rights aren’t “imposed” – either you have them or you don’t. Courts only recognize them.

      • 1980Gardener

        Semantics. Recognize something that doesn’t yet exist?

        • GanymedeRenard

          No, that’s not how it works. Rights pre-exist you. Again, courts only recognize them. That’s precisely the reason why the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was written.

          • 1980Gardener

            I wonder what right i have now that i don’t even realize yet…

          • GanymedeRenard

            That’s up for the courts to recognize.

          • 1980Gardener

            Well, if the right already exists, why can’t you tell me what those rights are?

          • GanymedeRenard

            Am I a judge?

          • 1980Gardener

            I don’t know if you are or not.

            I assume you aren’t, or else you would have the secret book of rights that you have but that the government won’t grant you just yet…

          • GanymedeRenard

            My dear, there isn’t such a “secret book of rights”. But you may want to start by reading the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the U.S. Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence, the French Déclaration des Droit de l’Homme et du Citoyen, etc.

            You may also want to learn about human rights and civil rights, or individual rights and group rights.

            You may also want to educate yourself in the areas of deontology, axiology, teleology, and philosophy of law.

            Your ignorance shows and quite frankly I have no time or patience to teach you what Google can.

          • 1980Gardener

            But those simply tell me what rights I have now – none of them tell me which rights exist now but are simply not recognized yet.

          • GanymedeRenard

            Which is why courts have to recognize rights based on concrete cases that will set precedents for future jurisprudence. It’s not really that hard to understand, really.

          • 1980Gardener

            It is quite hard to understand.

            If the rights exist now as you claim, then why delay in recognizing them?

          • GanymedeRenard

            Because people fight to get their rights recognized when said rights are deemed “controversial” (abolition of slavery, women’t vote, etc.) by the majority or by the group(s) in power at a given time! It’s really not hard to understand.

            On the other hand, you seem to lack the basic understanding of how the branches of the government function under the rule of law in a free, democratic society. My work is done here. Have a nice day.

          • 1980Gardener

            That wasn’t an answer.

          • GanymedeRenard

            That wasn’t the answer you wanted to hear. Sorry. Have a nice day.

          • 1980Gardener

            do you see how absurd your argument is?

            – rights exist now
            – no one knows what they are, other than judges
            – judges keep those rights away from people until some future time, because???
            – only if you force the issue will a judge give you the rights you had all along.

          • GanymedeRenard

            Gee, you’re dense, aren’t you?

            Not absurd at all.

            – Rights exist now, whether judges recognize them or not. Everyone is born with an intrinsic, inalienable human dignity that entitles them to be treated equally before the law. For example, everyone is born with the inherent right to be free, thus no one can own another human being as property – yet those in a position of power used to deny this self-evident truth and judges had to intervene to recognize said truth.

            – Based on certain legal instruments agreed upon by the consensus of the free nations, everybody has a reference of the basic rights they have. There are human rights, and there are civil rights – the latter tend to keep expanding. Are you being willfully ignorant or just a dimwit here?

            – Judges don’t keep anything away from anyone. They merely recognize the human or civil legal entitlements that a person or group is due so justice can be achieved.

            – It’s not that you force an issue. You fight for your rights to be recognized when society at large denies them. Legislation and courts are the way to do this.

            It’s really that simple.

            Please don’t bother to answer. HAVE. A. NICE. DAY. Got it?

          • fuow

            The one to stop trying to lecture people who have actually experienced physical violence because they are gay or transgender? That’s a right you might try exercising.

          • 1980Gardener

            Please don’t label any sharing of an opinion that does not conform to your own as a “lecture”

          • fuow

            Then don’t lecture. Which you were doing. I know passive-aggressive when I read it.

    • MBear

      I dont give a fk if people accept me or not. Deny me my rights tho? No

      I dont need to prove my value.

      • 1980Gardener

        I’m surprised by that sentiment.

        Personally, I think acceptance is important. It makes life easier. It ensures the continuation of rights. It ensures the valuing and enforcement of those rights.

        • rubellapox2

          Just respect my rights and all that other stuff is irrelevant..

          • 1980Gardener

            Exactly. And that respect requires at least basic acceptance.

          • fuow

            Nope. It most certainly does not. It requires adherence to the law.
            The christers are never going to abandon their hatred of us – it’s how they define their ‘love’ of their 3in1 god of hatred.
            But, heh – you’re not one of us, are you?

          • 1980Gardener

            “Nope. It most certainly does not. It requires adherence to the law.”

            – And what do you think drives that adherence to the law? Or the enforcement of the law?

            “The christers are never going to abandon their hatred of us – it’s how they define their ‘love’ of their 3in1 god of hatred.”

            – Christians, by the millions, support us. Don’t define the whole by the extreme.

            “But, heh – you’re not one of us, are you?”

            – I have no idea who you are..

        • fuow

          Of course it’s nice to be accepted. Waiting for that would mean neither women nor blacks nor gays would have rights. Nor would the Italians, nor would the Irish.
          We’d all be in the same situation as the transgender are, today.

          • 1980Gardener

            All of those groups only got rights because they were accepted.

            Do you think it was merely a coincidence that SCOTUS changed its mind on same sex marriage at the exact time the American public accepted it?

  • DaddyRay

    White House Plans To Withdraw ‘Conspiracy Theorist And Anti-Science Extremist’ Pick

    Kathleen Hartnett-White’s views on fossil fuels and pollution proved too extreme for even some Republicans.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kathleen-hartnett-white-withdrawal_us_5a766477e4b01ce33eb35a72?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

    • KnownDonorDad

      Must have been a Pence pick.

  • GanymedeRenard

    Hopefully he won’t win. I’d be very disappointed if he did – I have a good opinion about Costa Ricans.
    BTW, you can always thank the U.S. for exporting hatred masquerading as Evangelical Christianity. What’s worse is that its goddamn influence is growing fast in LatAm.

    • Ben in Oakland

      Well, the good news is, it’s fucking over the Romans.

      • GanymedeRenard

        I’m not sure which one is more evil TBH.

        • Ben in Oakland

          I’m very generous, and willing for them to share first prize.

  • Ron Robertson

    Of course, nothing gets people more motivated than the chance to deny other people their rights. Fuck religion.

    • Halou

      Nobody wants to be at the bottom end of society so even if they don’t gain from a certain policy, even if it harms them, so long as someone else is worse off..

  • Ninja0980

    Once again…fuck religion.

  • Charles Nelson

    Just as I vowed not to visit Jamaica…If Alvarado wins…I now vow not to visit Puerto Rico. I have been contacting my Congressional members trying to get more hurricane aid. But if PR says ‘screw you’ to LGBT rights then….’screw you PR’!

    • Treant

      Costa Rica, not Puerto Rico.

    • GanymedeRenard

      Just for the reference, Costa Rica elects presidents (not governors) and isn’t a U.S. territory.

    • rubellapox2

      Puerto Rico and Costa Rica are two entirely different countries..
      You’re confusing the two…

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Aaaaand there’s another country off our list. Shame, because it really is a nice locale. Oh well, their loss.

    • GanymedeRenard

      Oh, don’t be hasty. The candidate hasn’t won yet. 🙂

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        True, but if the polls are to be believed, a solid 2/3rds don’t want us there. Message rec’d.

        • GanymedeRenard

          Well, I for one don’t give much credence to polls anymore – Hillary was supposed to win, and now there’t this. Ugh!

          • fuow

            Then again, folks on the left might be smarter down there than we were up here.

          • GanymedeRenard

            Agreed.

  • Steve Heath

    My many ex-pat American friends in CR tell me the country has made massive economic strides in past 30 years, but also fair to say they are an equal 30+ years behind the more progressive global social curve. Thus patient education and another generation of people enjoying full exposure to the world at large should result in a more rational, balanced country.

  • LesbianTippingHabits


    Be careful what you ask for; you might get it. In addition to this story:

    In 2014, Houston transgender activists and the Houston Equal Rights Ordinance (HERO), followed early in 2016 by Charlotte NC with similar legislation, both explicitly mentioning such topics as locker rooms, shower facilities, and the like.

    It was too much, too quickly, too soon.

    • fuow

      Yeah, those transgender lifeforms, what do they think they are? US Citizens or even human?
      I’ve about had it with you. You’re so fucking callous toward everyone who isn’t to your personal advantage. Republican, much?

  • Sporkfighter
    • I got to see NOFX play an acoustic set once… holy shit that was nearly 20 years ago. Fuck.