Indonesia Moves To Criminalize All Non-Marital Sex

The Associated Press reports:

Riding a tsunami of moral conservatism and anti-gay prejudice, Indonesia’s Islamic political parties appear on the cusp of a major victory: outlawing all sex outside marriage.

Revisions to Indonesia’s criminal code being considered by Parliament would allow prison sentences of up to five years for sex between unmarried people. Those changes would also criminalize gay sex, the bugbear of Indonesia’s Islamic and secular political parties.

Conservative groups such as the Family Love Alliance believe Indonesia is being overwhelmed by immoral behavior such as sex between unmarried young couples, and in December nearly succeeding in convincing Indonesia’s Constitutional Court to outlaw gay sex and sex outside marriage.

The Islamic parties’ message is perhaps at its most politically potent when aimed at Indonesia’s besieged LGBT minority, which for the past two years has been the target of an escalating campaign of raids, arrests, hateful rhetoric from government officials and vigilante attacks.

Earlier this week Google bowed to Indonesia’s demand to remove a gay dating app from the local version of its online store. Also this week the ultra-conservative province of Aceh ordered all flight attendants to wear headscarves when they fly into the region or face prosecution by religious police.

RELATED: Last year Jakarta police arrested 141 men in a raid on a gay sauna as part of an ongoing attack against LGBT citizens. In December, however, Indonesia’s high court narrowly rejected a petition to criminalize homosexuality outright. Indonesia’s Aceh province instituted sharia law in 2015 and two gay men there were publicly caned last year as a jeering crowd recorded the abuse with their phones. Indonesia is the world’s fourth-most populous nation.

  • Snownova

    Look America, this is what happens when you force countries to give up their colonies!

  • Rex

    Not to worry, that would never happen here. Even though the religious right would love it, we all know the GOP mostly engages in non-marital sex.

    • TheSeer

      Those two things do not exclude themselves. Many GOPers also engage in gay sex while at the same time want to criminalize it.

    • Joseph Miceli

      Remember, you are still a virgin if you save the hole in front for Jesus.

  • Tellersma

    But will they start going after the brothels (horrible places rife with abuses and drugs) that the straight guys go to? Somehow I doubt it…

    • JustDucky

      If they do, they’ll only arrest the women.

      • Karl Dubhe

        And the not so rich tourists.

        The rich ones will be able to bribe the cops at the brothel.

    • Chris Baker

      Just like how anti-sodomy and anti-oral-sex laws were used against straight people in the US…

      /sarcasm

      • Joseph Miceli

        I still don’t see why Christians aren’t stringing divorce lawyers up on lampposts all over the nation and bombing their offices. Oh..that’s right. I forgot that Christian equals “hypocrite.”

  • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

    Posting this from the other thread. These fuckers are such cowards. Lots of good responses that are better than mine. Sorry for OT

    https://twitter.com/Spider_canyon/status/959061419831382016

  • VodkaAndPolitics

    Ironically, Tony Perkins masterbates to the idea of America becoming just like this…

    • DaddyRay

      Because everyone needs to be in a sexless marriage just like him

  • Rebecca Gardner

    Religion poisons everything.

    • 🐾vorpal🐾

      Who wants to bet that ANY heterosexual men will be punished for having non-marital sex?

      Nope. It’ll be women and LGBT people.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        Yup! For women it will even be in the case of rape.

        • 🐾vorpal🐾

          Well, it is their fault, being born with a vagina and all.

          How can we possibly expect a poor heterosexual man to resist his “natural urges?” They are the victims here!

          /angry/s

          • Rebecca Gardner

            True. I even have the audacity to take my vagina with me when I’m out in public or going to work.

          • Octoberfurst

            You hussy!

          • zhera

            I find it most practical to do so. It’s such a hassle to take on and off all the time. Except for blood week. Leaving it at home then would be rather nice…

          • Nychta

            One of my favorite Wanda Sykes pieces (NSFW).
            https://youtu.be/R8FfFwtL91Q

          • kelven

            LOL! “Run by my place and grab my pussy!” Thanks for the chuckle.

          • ted-

            I have that DVD!

          • LhandedCommando

            Lol, Wanda Sykes is hilarious and I <3 her humor, she understands humor.

          • Joseph Miceli

            You do? My Goodness! I’m not even sure what to accessorize that with. 🙂

          • Todd20036

            Can’t you just leave it in the refrigerator like men do with their penises when we go to work?

        • zhera

          I was just going to say that! Get raped, tell the police, get thrown in jail. Because Man Must Rule.

      • You’ve seen this movie before!

      • PlutoAnimus

        “Stick with the Classics”
        –Religious Authorities Everywhere

      • kirby7771

        Same as it ever was.

    • Todd20036

      Some things more literally than others.
      Baptismal water has been found to contain fecal matter.

    • Dana Chilton

      Loved CH

    • Christopher Street

      And religion will destroy everything if we keep letting it run rampant.

    • JCF

      Poisonous belief-systems poison. Liberating belief-systems liberate!

      http://files.ctctcdn.com/766c6672201/27496145-19f4-4b1a-811b-a5e78732abd8.jpg

    • Ore Carmi

      People poison everything. 🙁

  • Sam_Handwich

    i had to google “bugbear”

    • DaddyRay

      That was your risky search of the day

    • Rebecca Gardner

      Me too because I was thinking of a Tardigrade.

    • Acronym Jim

      My department at work went out to lunch last week. The millennial on staff, as brilliant and funny as she is, had not heard of Sharon Stone. I had to tell her do NOT Google Sharon Stone. At least, not at work.

    • Steverino

      I was hoping it isn’t billbear’s brother.

  • rednekokie

    The religious bigots at it again. They are determined to take over the world.

  • misterjack

    Savages.

  • DaddyRay

    So paying a porn star for sex is out … asking for a friend

  • Bambino

    In other words married people are going to fuck around and destroying each others lives with more lies and deceits.

  • Rebecca Gardner
    • 🐾vorpal🐾

      Given how much the neutered cat in my avatar masturbates (he loves to grab a great big teddy bear twice his size, drag it into the room with the most people in it while yowling lasciviously through his clenched mouth, and then proceed to hump it while meowing and meowing until he is done), no wonder we can’t find any evidence of any gods.

  • JohnJay

    Isn’t there some Islamic loophole I remember seeing on some TV report about this:
    A man goes to a brothel, there is someone there who “marries” him to the women he chooses. After an hour, he can divorce her before he leaves. Thus, no sex out of marriage. Allah be fooled.

    Most religions have some type of loophole for restrictive rules. The Jewish Eruv and other ways to circumvent sabbath rules, Catholic Indulgences (which still exist, but are in the form of prayers and no longer money donations) for time off from purgatory, and the ever popular Christian “I’m already saved, and I’m forgiven no matter what I do”.

    • Chris Baker

      Yup, temporary marriages are a thing.
      http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-22354201
      Although Indonesia is largly Sunni, which doesn’t seem to accept that practice.

    • 🐾vorpal🐾

      Sounds like the “backdoor loophole” of Christianity.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAbJI2aQFqI

    • zhera

      “time off from purgatory”

      Isn’t that just the most hilarious thing ever? At least the other loopholes you mentioned were about something real. 🙂

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    So basically only LGBT and uppity women will be punished. I know how this shit rolls. If you’re a straight dude, the cops will wink at you getting a slice of strange behind your wife’s back but they’ll totally go after everyone else.

    Women there should be warned that it’s not going to stop there. They’ll probably try to take away a lot of other crap soon. Whatever praise women get from men for going along with this and being “good girls” is not worth it. It’s something I wish a lot of women here would understand.

  • Bambino

    I see the massage parlor and salon businesses will be booming in Indonesia if they haven’t already.

  • skyweaver

    One day we won’t be so terrified of sex and women and gays and a lot of other things. Sadly that day is not today

    • Rebecca Gardner

      That day will only come after the absurdity that is religion finally vanishes.

  • kcken

    Well, sex is free … Love is free.. but you can’t have people enjoying themselves without guilt and shame right? #darkages

    • Bambino

      Not if it impedes the religion business.

      • canoebum

        This is also about politics. There is a history of using allegations of sexual misconduct against your opponents in Indonesia.

  • JustDucky
  • Bambino

    When a country is over populated and the so call government are incompetent with no strategy nor workable policies, that is what it does. The same way the current administration and the GOP are trying to emulate in the US.

  • The_Wretched

    I would /point /laugh but Donny the Unfit has 3 more years to fill with insanity and if this law passes, it’ll criminalize the least powerful in Indonesia even more.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    OT but fun…

    Donald Trump Brags About Aflac Commercial Starring Melania with Webbed Feet
    http://www.marieclaire.com/politics/a15953229/melania-trump-aflac-commercial/

    • kareemachan

      OMG….

  • IAMBOWLINGGREEN

    Another grotesque example of ‘religious freedom’.

  • Silver Badger

    Each day the world becomes more bizarre. Does indonesia have for profit prisons?

  • AJD

    This is why China has the right idea when it comes to religion.

  • canoebum

    This is why I will never visit any Muslim-majority country. They seem in a big hurry to return to the year 1200.

    • kareemachan

      The ironic thing is that there are ads on my Kindle (yeah, I use it to play games. Deal with it.) for Muslim countries. “Come visit us!!! See how wonderful our country is!!!!” And they have plenty of images of women doing provocative things. But NAUGHTY if you’re caught doing it, I guess.

  • William

    The Gheyz had better avoid taking vacations in Bali.

    • pj

      thats what i was thinking. another beautiful place off my list

    • kareemachan

      Yup.

  • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)
    • madknits

      “The master’s tools will never dismantle the master’s house.”
      I love Audre Lorde.

    • TuuxKabin

      “Your silence will not protect you.” A sign I’ve carried every demonstration.

      Thank you for bringing the month’s ‘focus’ to us. I was wondering . . .

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lypO8pt_8NQ&list=RDMMlypO8pt_8NQ

      • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

        Awesome thx for sharing

        • TuuxKabin

          It is, isn’t it. A friend called me from Toronto, sitting in the theatre, waiting for Alabama Shakes to come on the stage, to tell me, “listen! I’m going to hold the phone up . . . ” I couldn’t tell what it was, when she told me it just made Alabama Shakes that much more awe inspiring.

          I like your work by the way and saved some what I’ve seen onto another file. I do collage workshops and would like to introduce one of your pieces to give the attendees something to contemplate. The one I’m thinking of is the vampire bite on the Statue of Liberty’s neck. To me, THAT is fuckin’ to the point, with graphics to carry the message home. Your other one, of the trucks on the interstate, exiting to – I don’t remember what – I also put aside. Was done with photoshop? El HubCap is beginning a photoshop workshop Saturday and will give me a hand to do collages on the computer. I’ll never leave it.

          Thanks for initiating the idea. I hope there’s a daily comment regarding the significance of the month.

          Perhaps a lil’ bit of Alabama Shakes?

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5MCgMr-2pI

          • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

            Thanks you so much for saying that. I’m always a bit shy about sharing. I not very proficient with the technology but I think my ideas are usally pretty good. Everything I do I do on my iPad using Adobe photoshop apps and some other free editing apps. I cannot remember the trucks on the interstate image….

            All my images are here. https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/

            You’re certainly welcome to use the statute of liberty image or any other that you like (although I prefer they not be shared online). Do you need a clean version of that image?

            By the way I use that one for protest sign. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ab17a99dc7aa4d581d4c515e749ac09376866524d49663b838e8a2dfa1823c21.jpg

          • TuuxKabin

            THAT! Is perfect. Your sign!

            I’m still at kindergarten level in creating collage work. Find magazines, catalogs, museum bulletins, play bills, etc. Flip thru the pages, straight tear it out of the magazine then trim down to size with zig zag or wavy scissors. Like ‘pinking shears.’ Then on a styrofoam board – using disassembled cracker, cookie, soap, toothpaste or any boxed packaging, the inside is perfect as a canvas – pin up a mock up of the piece. Once to my liking, mod podge it on. Once dry cover with a book binding glue, glossy. Take to the print shop, they reproduce it onto glossy , thick, like poster board and I cut using the zig zag scissors. My ‘line’ is “Raggedy Ass Edge Collaboration With 2guys named joe,” el HubCap and commentater tot here at Joe’s. Saturday he’ll come home and go over what he learns at the PhotoShop workshop. I’m psyched.

            I recognize the integrity of your work, and will only use to get the attendees focused on the “there’s more flavors than vanilla” sensibility of designs, styles, embellishing. We are an elder group and (they are) a bit traditional with images, tho a couple of them have rocked my shoes with their pieces.

            Cool. I just went to bryan is being examined . . . that’s great! What some of your pieces remind me of are Fillmore Auditorium, Avalon Ballroom and other rock venues in San Francisco in the mid to late 60’s. A cousin kept just about every single poster they handed to everyone leaving the concert, with postcard size as well. She has her ‘hippy room’ in her Walnut Creek, Ca home. Wish I’d done the same.

            Thank you for being so gracious in spreading your art. I’m marking your site. It’s a turn on!

          • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

            I would love to have that collection of posters! Thank you for your kind words — they are really very humbly appreciated. And please let me know if you want to use anything — I would be happy to send the file. Flickr has a yahoo.com email and if you sign up it’s free and can send me an email through there. I don’t think discus has that private feature

            I would love to see your work as well. Is it online anywhwere? If not, you can consider Flickr. Like I said it’s free and it’s a pretty non-aggressive and friendly community in my experience. Of course your work has to be digitized but it’s a great way to share and meet people.

            Finally if you have a tablet and want to try digital work, these are the primary apps I use and they’re pretty damn good for what they are. I was always a compulsive photo taker and had all these digital images sitting on various devices and computers. So I started using them as the basis for my “creations” that are photostream. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/899e0c52e43379ffade865104cc812df1ef28ff33230458e7b4ece384c1a5eac.jpg using these apps and others

          • TuuxKabin

            The colors are so clear and bright. I like that Rolls burning. Burn the rich.
            I just rec’d my Yahoo Account Key #. We’re sitting down to dinner and will go thru it after. Thanks for sending it!
            I have to select and transfer my scanned images and, I guess, will be set to go.
            I saw your piece that is your icon/tag, of your chest, heart torn open, and I guess I recognize you in a few other pieces. Guessing it’s you.
            Question? The (bkb) is significant to . . .? Love the beaner part. My Jehovah Witness aunt, PHX, thought she’d insult us kids, calling us beaners, greasers, and other slurs. I took them as a badge and exalted them, best I could.
            Probably be with bryan in the sterile lab for a bit. The Drumpenstein is, IMHO, brilliant. I think you’re helping me push the envelope with what I can do. Thanks!
            Wondering if the trucks, tankers, on the interstate, exiting into a conflagration at 1/2 mile, 1/4 mile and next exit. I can’t find the thread from yesterday, or the day before.

          • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

            The rolls picture is not mine — it’s an album cover I don’t think the truck image was mine.

            Yes, the picture with the heart and blood is me. I like the symbolism of using blood in my images and do so quite a bit. I did another one that is a little more graphic for some Halloween pictures

            https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/30000827523/in/album-72157662698191735/

            My name is Bryan — but I change the Flickr profile name occasionally. It’s always “Bryan ….” something.

            As to the beaner. I started using that last year when I saw this video and crystallized for me how hated brown people really are by a good proportion of the population so I thought I’d own it so to speak. It’s still hard for me to watch

            https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000004533191/unfiltered-voices-from-donald-trumps-crowds.html

          • TuuxKabin

            Hi Bryan. David here. The Halloween pictures are great as well.

            I’ll come back to the NYT’s article/video. It’s been too nice an evening to get brought down. My childhood was like that. HS counsellors putting me in shop, business classes, art – which was cool – I had to argue to be in one college prep class. It was hateful. When I became aware of Cesar Chavez, the UFW, and la Raza I had a blooming, of sorts. A drunk woman trying to think of an insult shouted, “you, you, you tortilla slapping bitch.” A friend and I nearly fell over laughing.

            I read a comment in the thread about your trip to the Shining ‘museum.’ That picture was good and scary. I’ve always enjoyed a good shock in the dark movie house. Suppose to be good for the heart.

            “You’re My Favorite Waste of Time,” by Crenshaw Marshall comes to mind. I’m going to be with bryan in that sterile lab for a long time, and/or going thru the Yahoo thing. Thanks. I’ve needed a new diversion.

          • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

            I think people have wondered about the use of the term and it probably makes people uncomfortable. So when u asked I thought I’d take the opportunity to explain.

            Sorry you had to go through all that. People can be so cruel. And seeing all of it out in the open agains is depressing ….

          • TuuxKabin

            It made me a proud beaner as well, to borrow a phrase. Thanks. I knew I came from a richer culture, society, higher evolved than the white trash in the East Bay, Ca. It was short lived.
            But yes, to see it now. Shocking the plunge into despair it causes me. I often say to myself walking around the neighborhood here, seeing brown, darker, and black neighbors going about, “I love my peeps.”
            Just picked up “america, mi hérmano, mi sangre.” A Latin American Song of Suffering and Resistance. Art work of Oswaldo Guayasamin & Pablo Neruda. Moving. My/our own “Never Again,” statements.

          • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)

            This country was built on racism and expanded by violent theft of land. Racism is in the blood and bones of America. In its cells. It’s its cancer and it has metastasized once again under trump

          • TuuxKabin

            The photo of you with the over exaggerated eye glasses is a riot. Love it.

  • Friday’s_cat

    Guess it’s time to pay closer attention to clothing labels, I don’t want to abet oppression.

  • Adam Stevens

    Why must the heterosexual destroy everything that crosses its path?

  • Dirk Prophet

    Sex Police! Freeze!

  • GayOldLady

    So, how are they going to enforce this law? And are they going to enforce the “sex outside of marriage” part or just the “gay sex” part? If they’re going to enforce this law across the board they’re going to have the largest Police Department on the Planet, because SEX is what people do.

    • canoebum

      The wealthy and well-connected will always get whatever they want, Sharia Law notwithstanding. Look at The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan. This law will be used against disfavored groups and tourists. Those who can pay off the police will not be prosecuted.

    • TheSeer

      They will use it against political opponents and gays.

  • Mark Cross

    I have a question, but sadly I feel the need to preface it by stating that yes, I really am asking this in all seriousness: will this new law forbid masturbation also?

    • GayOldLady

      If that’s the case they’re going to lock up the entire country.

      • Yea right. Everyone knows wimmen don’t play with themselves..

        • GayOldLady

          Really?

          • Sarcasm, friend.
            Much sarcasm.

          • kareemachan

            Most of us got that.

          • GayOldLady

            😉 LOL

    • Just_reading_and_writing

      Of course

      • MatthewMidbury

        Of course I love you.

    • Natty Enquirer

      Only if you use the wrong hand.

      • Steven in Texas

        Oh my gawd, that’s like having someone else!

    • zhera

      Also, if two married couples have a foursome, is that sex outside of marriage?

  • Robert Adams

    Yeah. That’ll work.

  • Scout

    Adorableness break. I’m glad to see the Obamas are still making a difference . . .

    https://twitter.com/MichelleObama/status/958789956637462529
    https://twitter.com/ADCollegeOpp/status/957862527320260608

  • Just_reading_and_writing

    Fuck our tourism economy! – indonesia

    • MatthewMidbury

      I will tour you.

  • Moonbeam_Song

    Whenever I read things like this I do wish we had a kind of “underground railroad” to help our LGBT family in places like Indonesia or the Middle East to get to a country where they can live their life openly and authentically.

    Any country that embraces such “LGBT refugees” would find themselves all the better for it.

    • kareemachan

      And the fuckers over at breitfart are all “let’s kick everybody we hate out of the US”. I like your take *much* better.

  • Paula

    I still can’t believe this kind of crap is happening in 2018.

    • Cackalaquiano

      I feel like it’s getting so much worse too. We’re going to have to fight to stamp this shit out everywhere.

      • ECarpenter

        The place to start is your local schools. What do they teach, and how do they teach it? Do they teach evolution as the bedrock of biology? Do they teach how to evaluate evidence presented by other people? Do they teach how to look at what you’re told in context, to help decide if it’s reasonable?

        Do they teach you that if you just go with your gut, you’re in trouble, because your gut is full of sh it?

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      Unfortunately, a large swath of humanity is literally devolving before our very eyes. It’s as if some cannot fathom taking the next step in the human endeavor and it scares them.

      That next step?

      The realization that a huge paradigm shift is happening, that being the shedding of superstitious belief and dogma. Atheism or at the very least agnosticism, is rising, to the point where it now poses a direct threat to faith and those who control it. I believe we’re about to, finally I think, step out of our infancy into a new age…but first, we have to survive the birthing process, which as any woman will tell you is painful, sometimes very bloody and involves sudden, painful contractions.

      We are, in my opinion, at a very real crossroads in the human experiment; how else to explain the palpable desperation of religions as they become more shrill and strident in their invective and accusations towards their traditional scapegoats: women, gays, apostates. These are the contraction, nay, convulsions of change; threatened by knowledge, science, even the internet. We can see the lies for what they are. We can see through the illusions of piety, to the very core of their hypocrisy. We, humanity, are changing…and the old guard, those in charge, cannot abide; so they make laws, they incite, they find the scapegoats who have worked so well in the past and display them as the reason, once again, for all maledictions and failures in society.

      This is why this crap is happening in 2018.

      Note: apologies for the long response, this has been on mind my of late.

  • Nax

    Don’t apologists like Fareed Zakaria use Indonesia, the world’s most populous Islamic country, as the shining example of a (secular) Muslim majority state?

  • Octoberfurst

    Religion—controlling people’s lives for stupid reasons since the dawn of civilization.

  • chris james

    If it isn’t dead already we are seeing the death of tourism in Indonesia.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      We refuse to travel to any Muslim nation. Its not that we think every Muslim is evil, it’s just that the odds are ever not in our favour and playing the Hunger Games just to see some ancient temples or experience a certain culture seems a bit too much.

  • Cackalaquiano

    They will really wish they hadn’t been so stridently puritanical when their own leaders start getting caught up in their own transgressions.

    • ECarpenter

      It doesn’t work that way. The politicians just go to ground and hide. Look at all the gay politicians who pretended (and still pretend) to be straight and voted against gay rights for decade after decade.

      • Cackalaquiano

        But a whole lot of them have been busted. I think the old ability to hide your sins and maintain a facade of righteousness is gone with new social media and technology.

    • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

      Exactly. The best friends the American LGBT community has in our civil rights struggles are the hypocrites. Newt Gingrich or John Ensign, anyone?

  • TheSeer

    I would like to see a secret resistance movement that would assassinate all MPs voting to oppress people.

  • Lars Littlefield

    I guess I need to give up buying Sumatran coffee beans. Other than that nothing about Indonesia has ever been on my To Do list. 🙁

    • Steven in Texas

      Let’s try and pressure Starbucks into stop buying them. That clout may get noticed.

  • ECarpenter

    The best way to counter religious extremism is to educate kids. When they understand how science works, especially, they can apply the same methodology to understanding social issues. A fact-based world where people have been taught how to evaluate evidence and come to reasonable conclusions has no place for religious extremism, which is why religious conservatives don’t want their kids to be taught how to think clearly.

    • Stuart Wyman-Cahall

      True, that. I’m sorry that Americans are falling for this “school voucher ” crap and using my tax dollars to pay for it. Those vouchers certainly guarantee future generations of America’s students will be indoctrinated to a point that they’ll never be able to think clearly. That’s the goal of the fundies .

  • Joseph Miceli

    Now THAT is a shithole country.
    No, not because of what race they are, it is because of what they do to their own people. Jamaica…YOU are a shithole too. Russia…well, you already know where I’m going with this.

  • ChrisInKansas

    This is Pence’s wet dream.

    • andrew

      But probably not “grab em by the pussy” Trump.

    • Baltimatt

      Until they criminalize wet dreams.

  • Nate

    Fuck Islam it is cancer

    • Steven in Texas

      I raise my up tick to INFINITY!

  • Tor

    Now that’s a shithole country.

  • Rebecca Gardner
  • PlutoAnimus

    Religion makes people weak.

    For God’s sake, these people are afraid of their own genitals.

    • Todd20036

      Not quite. Religion makes weak people think they are storng

      • PlutoAnimus

        So the most religious people are also the most weak?

        That doesn’t jibe.

        • Bride of Trump

          The weak require an omnipotent Sky Daddy to stave off an existential crisis.

          • PlutoAnimus

            True.

            But, if we make the reasonable assumption that 95% of Indonesians are devout, I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume that all of those people would have also turned out to be as psychologically and emotionally weak, had they been raised atheist.

            More likely, many of them would have been much stronger without religion.

          • Bride of Trump

            I see your point. Religion does seem to have a way of weakening people’s ability to apply logic and reason to many situations.

  • Steven in Texas

    Ore Ida Tater Tots and Bartlett Pears for an asteroid to remove Indonesia from Earth.

  • Dana Chilton

    Nearly 87% of respondents to a poll said they felt “threatened” by LGBT peoples. That’s how this happens.. religious extremists convince others who wouldn’t otherwise be extreme that they are personally being attacked or discriminated against or threatened in some way and so they agree to go along with the religious extremists to protect themselves. That’s what happened here in America over and over again. I can’t tell you how many people I heard during the prop 8 nightmare say they were only protecting their personal religious rights (which they were told were under attack) or protecting children (which they were told would be forcibly indoctrinated) and that they had nothing against our community otherwise. This is thousands of years of history just repeating itself. This isn’t new and it isn’t hard to figure out what’s going on. Christopher Hitchens was right.

    • Bride of Trump

      I miss Hitch.

  • TheManicMechanic

    Sounds like a shithole.

    • Bride of Trump

      Worked there 20 years ago. Back then there were a lot of Muslims, but because there was limited internet coverage, Sharia and the crazy conservative / radicalized version of Islam had limited traction. Apparently that’s changed.

      What these fools don’t understand is that going off the religious deep end will be incredibly bad for business.

  • boobert

    What if you and your sex partner ARE married, just not to each other? lol

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    But Indonesia is supposed to be a moderate Muslim nation. /s

    • Bride of Trump

      Used to be.

      • Craig Howell

        Like Turkey.

        • Bride of Trump

          Never been there, but if it went from laissez faire Islam to the wackjob variety, it’s very similar.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Another reason to distrust Islam and it’s adherents, just like I do Christianity, Judaism and any religion or its followers.

  • JWC

    Dumb fucking move Might as well restrict breathing

  • Ninja0980

    Fuck religion.

  • The Milkman

    Good example of how straight people should be concerned about religious extremists coming for LGBT people. Who do you think will be next? That’s right, straight people. YOU.

  • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

    Crazy…Saudi Arabia and maybe Iran are loosening the draconian rules governing women and their rights. Meanwhile, Indonesia is tripling down on being assholes.
    It’s not a tourist destination I’d visit!

  • TuuxKabin

    Well they’ve got no sense of fun.

  • andrew

    American Christian fundamentalists would do the same thing in a heartbeat, if given the opportunity. Religious fundamentalism of every stripe is now and always has been the enemy of human freedom.

  • TwoHusbandsSince1976
  • Richard B

    How self defeating, Indonesia is planning to build the world’s largest prisons to incarcerate a generation of young people and half its adult population that strays out of their marriages.

  • teedofftaxpayer

    I guess it will soon be coming to America.

  • GanymedeRenard

    Is there anything, as it were, “intrinsically disordered” to monotheism that makes sex a dirty thing always in need of control by higher authorities? I just cannot understand this sick obsession.

    • Gianni

      Modern religions have always had a big problem with sex. It’s a dirty, naughty, bad, sinful thing that needs controlling and God, through his loving believers and their religions, is the one to do it. Everything sexual, except poking the wife, is taboo. I remember, when in confession, the priest would always ask the boys if they touched themselves or anyone else or were touched by others. What boy has never grabbed his hard dick and done his best to get relief? I think the priest knew that. 🙂 And then would come the 10,000 Hail Marys as penance and he’d admonish us to not do that again because it was so sinful. Yeah, right, talk to you next week, Father.

      • GanymedeRenard

        I concur with you in all but the “modern religions” part. I just wonder what’s the starting point for a religion to be considered modern?

        • Gianni

          To me, it is when the Christian religion took hold of the Roman empire. Other more ancient religions (barring the Jewish religion) had precious little problems over sex and some even included it in their rituals. Of course, then along came Islam with similar restrictions and punishments.

          • GanymedeRenard

            You and I are in full communion now, so to speak. 😀

      • Ann Kah

        It’s a dirty, nasty, sinful thing when somebody ELSE does it…

  • Gianni

    So now all unmarried Indonesians will be virgins, right? That’ll work. I’d bet that the nutjob politicians who pass this will be the first to break their new law. Our world is getting so fucked-up in the head on a daily basis.

  • JCF

    Chilling!

    “If a (Muslim) crew member fails to comply [w/ the hijab requirement] , we
    will reprimand her. If she does it repeatedly, I will order Sharia
    police to nab her.”

    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/indonesia-s-aceh-orders-female-flight-crews-to-wear-hijab-9910560

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e743cd932117ca4aa11c190107e9c6f571af739a275e2d06d4fecb7d3fe27cac.jpg

  • Ann Kah

    I suspect that the only ones punished by this law will be gay men and straight women.

  • Blueflash

    But this can’t be! Indonesia is a moderate Muslim country! Islamophobia!
    Meanwhile, nothing remotely like this is occurring in the rest of (non-Islamic) East Asia.