HHS Unveils “Religious Freedom” Division For Health Workers Who Want To Refuse LGBT Patients [VIDEO]

ABC News reports:

The Trump administration announced on Thursday a new division within the Department of Health and Human Services devoted to “conscience and religious freedom.” Social conservatives and religious liberty leaders have anticipated conscience and religious freedom protections to come out of HHS, and the work of the new division, which will fall under the purview of the Office of Civil Rights, will likely pave the way for health care workers to refuse specific types of care, like birth control or abortion, based on their religious or conscience objections. Critics say the move could hurt civil rights protections for lesbian, gay and transgender people, and hurt patient care.

From the HHS site:

OCR Director [Roger] Severino said, “Laws protecting religious freedom and conscience rights are just empty words on paper if they aren’t enforced. No one should be forced to choose between helping sick people and living by one’s deepest moral or religious convictions, and the new division will help guarantee that victims of unlawful discrimination find justice. For too long, governments big and small have treated conscience claims with hostility instead of protection, but change is coming and it begins here and now.”

Acting HHS Secretary Hargan said, “President Trump promised the American people that his administration would vigorously uphold the rights of conscience and religious freedom. That promise is being kept today. The Founding Fathers knew that a nation that respects conscience rights is more diverse and more free, and OCR’s new division will help make that vision a reality.”

The new HHS division provides a complaint page if health care providers feel they’ve been forced to betray Jesus by providing care to somebody they hate.

Liberty Counsel celebrates:

“The establishment of a Conscience and Religious Freedom Division by the Department of Health and Human Services within its Office for Civil Rights is an historic and positive step by the Trump administration to protect religious freedom and the rights of conscience. The Department of Health and Human Services under the Obama administration was hostile to conscience and religious freedom rights. Today’s announcement is refreshing and exciting.

“Religious freedom is our first freedom and I welcome the news that HHS is committed to protecting our precious freedom. The Trump administration is to be commended for making this 180-degree turn from the past administration which used the federal government to violate religious freedom and conscience rather than protecting them. This move sends a strong message that there must be a commitment to protecting religious freedom.”

  • PickyPecker

    Not to be shallow but……why are all these people in the administration so friggin ugly?

    • Harveyrabbit

      Starts on the inside and works outward.

      • perversatile

        “You can see the Devil peeping out through the cracks in their face”

    • Lazycrockett

      evil does that to you.

    • Frostbite

      Drump doesn’t want anyone prettier than he is.

      • Joe in PA

        Good grief, finally a HIGH bar from the Trump WH!

    • JackFknTwist

      “The Picture of Dorian Gray.”

      Malice and bigotry shine through. Dorian Gray got away with it for so long because he could keep his evil hidden in the attic picture.
      These c unts, not so much.

    • bkmn

      Remember that this is the party that claims all Dem women are ugly.

    • Tawreos

      Evil always finds a way to shine through.

    • safari

      Human suits haven’t been perfected yet.

    • S1AMER

      Hate destroys all beauty in the world.

    • As a child, did your parent ever say to you, “Don’t make that face at me or it’ll get stuck that way”?

      This is what happens to children who do not listen.

      For latecomers, there’s always the alternative:
      http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2012/10/24/24-masks-twilight-zone.w750.h560.2x.jpg

      • AmeriCanadian

        Excellent comparison. I wondered why Severedbraino looked so familiar

      • orion dumptee

        ha ha Serlings twilight zone…perfect..

  • Frostbite

    Can’t wait for _______ religious group to start denying service to right wing white folk (especially unwed mothers).

  • DreadPikathulhu
  • The Sentinel

    And Mike Pence just came.

    • Tawreos

      After getting written permission (in triplicate) from Mother.

      • safari

        But only with his chastity device still on.

    • Butch

      Pence is probably the real driving force behind this move.

      • The_Wretched

        Mercer. He’s a dominionist and pulling donny’s strings.

  • ArchiLaw

    This is just gross. I’ve already contacted my Congressman and Senators today. I hope everyone else here does, too.

  • Michael R

    Not Constitutional.

  • I pray someone 2nd amendments all these fuckers.

    • Joe in PA

      As much as I hate these fuckers…let’s find another amendment. 🙁

      • nope. this prayer is specifically for the 2nd one.

      • Silver Badger

        Which amendment supports electrocution?

  • Tawreos

    If you don’t want to serve gay people maybe you shouldn’t be in a profession that makes helping any and everyone that needs it part of its thing.

  • bkmn

    A reminder that the ACLU does a lot of work for us on issues like this and can always use donations.

    aclu.org

    • Leo

      They’re probably already on this

      • bkmn

        I assume so, but it never hurts to make sure they have $ to cover it.

        • Butch

          I can’t set up a monthly thing with my job situation the way it is but I’ve been sending money every chance I’m able. Strangely, I signed up with Lambda and they never withdrew anything.

      • clay

        and NARAL will be on this.

      • j.martindale

        Or LAMBDA.

    • S1AMER

      YES! Quite possibly the best place for your donations, ’cause they work on so many fronts.

    • Chris Gardner

      I’d also like to include Lambda Legal as well. Both orgs do a great job fighting for the LGBT community. The HRC on the other hand…. I’m sure they are planning a big gala as a protest.

      • bkmn

        I am to the point that if the topic comes up I recommend donating to anyone but them and I tell people why, as a gay man I do not want them to donate to HRC.

  • Macbill

    “A New Commandment I give unto you: Love one another except for those icky gays.”

    • David Walker

      God loves all his children…except you.

  • MBear

    How divisive

    • David Walker

      And the beat goes on. Why do I feel this is alt-MAGA? I mean, what the words of MAGA mean.

  • JoeMyGod

    As I mentioned in yesterday’s post, Roger Severino is a longtime anti-LGBT activist for the hate groups Heritage Foundation and Becket Fund. In 2006 he was the lead attorney in the case that banned same-sex marriage in Maryland.

    • The Sentinel

      Back in 2016, he co-authored, along with professional homophobe Ryan Anderson, this lovely piece: Proposed Obamacare Gender Identity Mandate Threatens Freedom of Conscience and the Independence of Physicians. https://www.heritage.org/health-care-reform/report/proposed-obamacare-gender-identity-mandate-threatens-freedom-conscience

    • Ninja0980

      And his vile wife Carrie is in charge of the Judicial Crisis Network, a group dedicated to getting right wing hacks on the courts.

    • lileasy

      Joe, Perhaps you can answer this question, as your mom lives in Orlando. I just moved to the College Park neighborhood, a few blocks from the Adventist hospital. All the MD”s I’ve encountered so far are affiliated with that outfit. I have heard the Adventist church is not particularly gay friendly. I have not been able to find the hospital”s nondiscrimination policy on-line. Any insight on this?

      • JoeMyGod

        Sorry, but I left Orlando over 30 years ago and don’t have any info on that. You might check with the Orlando LGBT Center (I think it’s on Mills Ave) for guidance.

        • lileasy

          I will do that. Thanks.

  • Leo

    So who’ll place the first lawsuit? Let’s place bets.

    • S1AMER

      Uh, that lawsuit would eventually work its way to SCOTUS, where there are already 4-1/2 justices against us. Care to guess what the atmosphere there will be like once Trump gets another appointment?

      • JackFknTwist

        He must never get another appointment.
        GOP have already defied the constitution in not putting up Merrick Garland……the GOP is a party of unconstitutional fascists.

    • coram nobis

      You’ll need a plaintiff, someone left bleeding in ER because some nurse’s religious belief didn’t include treatment of queers. That’s called “standing”, assuming the person is standing and not pushing up daisies.

      • Karl Dubhe 2

        Doesn’t the estate have standing to sue?

        • The_Wretched

          yep, “wrongful death” is a tort.

        • coram nobis

          Maybe, if you try applying malpractice case law. But it wouldn’t be as compelling when it comes to trial as a living, injured plaintiff.

      • The_Wretched

        “Standing” in that fashion is a relatively new application.

        • coram nobis

          Yes, but it’s probably what it’ll take, given the way case law has been going recently. The Langbehn-Pond case is a matter of record, and in fact Ms. Langbehn lost her case.

      • David Walker

        Let us not stop at nurses. A doctor. A surgeon. An anesthetist (or is that anesthesiologist?). An ER intern?

        Excuse me, please. I am getting this incredible desire to kill people.

      • clay

        Pharmacist– birth control, PrEP, or hormones.
        Teaching Hospital– no longer trains student doctors how to perform abortions safely.

        • coram nobis

          Teaching hospital – can discard LGBT interns and residents, and maybe others on a religious basis as well.

          • clay

            and can’t kick out students who confirm that they plan to (or interns who do) violate professional standards of care.

  • S1AMER

    Be prepared for harassment and shoddy medical care again, y’all. Look skeptically at everybody who works in your doctor’s office, just in case a bigot finds out it’s safe to once again work against us.

    Oh, and be very careful if you have to go to a hospital. The bishops have made sure Catholic hospitals can be risky already, and this will only make some of them worse.

    And you’re not only at risk for being an LGBTQ person. Your advance directives are probably more likely to be ignored by some people going forward.

    (Oh, and did I mention we need to work our asses off to elect Democrats this fall, and in 2020, and forever thereafter?)

    • The_Wretched

      and so long as they work in our interests

    • April

      Just you wait, some holier than thou EMT will refuse to treat injured people in a car wreck because the car has a rainbow bumper sticker.

      • Vista-Cruiser

        That’s the whole purpose of this.

  • safari

    I want a blacklist of providers if this goes forward.

    • Todd20036

      Before there were concentration camps, businesses were allowed to refuse service to Jews. Sounds familiar, no?

      • The_Wretched

        the steps down the road to Gilead are always the same

      • pch1013
        • Falconlights

          How long before this goes nationwide? How long before grocery stores and others join in?

          • Christian1234567

            In 29 states, it’s not illegal to deny nonemergency medical treatment, public accommodations (including grocery stores, gas stations, restaurants, etc.), employment, etc. to people simply for being LGBT. They don’t put up signs, however.

          • April

            When we find a business that is anti LGBT we should “help” them out and put a big sticker in their window.

            BIGOTRY SPOKEN HERE.

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        • SoCalVet

          If I saw that in my neighborhood, I promise you I would throw a rock through their window. Burn that fucker down. Yep.

      • Falconlights

        Very familiar. This is how the Holocaust began in Germany.

    • Paula

      Me, too. I will visit them with tennis balls in my purse, ready to flush in their bathrooms.

      • safari

        That happens?

        • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

          It does now.

      • SoCalVet

        I like that! More revenge ideas please!

  • Ninja0980

    Great, so if someone sees your brown skin or finds out you’re in a interracial marriage, they can refuse treatment to you based to you on “religious beliefs” that their God hates those things right?

    • Jonathan Smith

      sadly, right.

    • David Walker

      Right…and using PA as an example, ain’t shit you can do about it.

  • boobert

    Suck on that you log cabin assholes !

    • Tawreos

      They can’t hear any of this over their celebration of their tax cuts.

  • Blake Mason

    Who is gay face in the pic and vid?

  • JackFknTwist

    Another step to making America a theocracy.

    • The_Wretched

      a giant step

    • pch1013

      We were warned, but too many people chose to believe the lies about Hillary instead of the truth about Trump.

      • JackFknTwist

        I’m so hopeful Mueller will put a stop to the destruction of this great country.

        I just cannot bear to think of what will happen to the USA if this fascist Nazi white supremacist continues his megalomania.

        And I genuinely fear he is intent on a Korean preemptive attack

        • I doubt he could get enough of them to fully shut this down before they would shut him down.

          • Falconlights

            Sadly.

        • Librarykid

          It’s not just that 45 is president. It is what the people around him are telling him to do and Pence is one of them.

      • JaniceInToronto

        Which is what you get when education takes a back seat to religion.
        Now you have millions of home-schooled religitards fighting to take what few rights you have left. U.S is in deep, deep shit. This is very scary to watch from next door.

      • Falconlights

        I warned people during the campaign and have been warning for years that this could happen. The political purists don’t give a damn about who gets hurt because of their butthurt that a candidate who wasn’t pure enough could get elected.

      • Man_in_the_mists

        Go fuck yourself forever Comey. Feel free to join him, mainstream media.

        • evan_or

          Comey didn’t release that letter. It was Jason Chaffetz.

    • m_lp_ql_m

      “All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.”

  • bkmn

    There is not a single major reputable medical organization that will support this. If you see one that does support it you can bet it was founded specifically to provide cover for the haterz.

    • Tawreos

      Most of the hospitals are catholic owned and operated. They are loving this shit.

      • bkmn

        Maybe cities and counties need to re-evaluate any contracts they have with them.

    • The Sentinel

      Liberty Counsel’s House of Pap Smeerz.

    • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

      Chicago just gave 5.5 million dollars to a Catholic hospital that will not provide abortions or contraceptive services. The mayor claims it is because they will open hospitals in under served areas.

      • Silver Badger

        Sounds like an entity like planned parenthood needs to open a storefront next to each hospital.

      • clay

        What’s the gain in opening a hospital in an under served area (with high rates of low birth weight babies due to the air pollution), if it doesn’t offer a full range of OB and Gyn services?

        • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

          Well I suppose if a gunshot victims dies while being transported to a distant hospital, having one near by is lifesaving. I obviously don’t support the decision and Rahm reasoning, ‘better than nothing’ should not be considered acceptable.

        • The_Wretched

          Dead mothers in a material and infant death rate on par with the 3rd world. The same people driving this dept are the ones who want as many pregnancies as possible and do not care about anything else.

        • David Walker

          I know we’re talking about a metropolitan area, but Samantha Bee did a powerful feature on the high mortality rate of women during and just after childbirth.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA6A3ZlGlH8&t=2s

          • JCF

            She’s So Freaking Awesome. Last night, she said exactly what I wanted to say re the Aziz Ansari Cluster(horrible)fuck: No, he’s not a rapist! Yes, “not a rapist” is too low a standard!

      • superindy

        undeserved or under served? Bit of a freudian slip?

        • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

          LOL, no just typing to fast while doing five other things. Corrected.

      • David Walker

        “…in undeserved areas.” I make that typo a lot, too. The neighborhoods are underserved, but the fucking Catholic hospital is totally undeserved in its collection of government money.

      • bkmn

        Rahm is such a fucking idiot.

        • Man_in_the_mists

          I expect no less from the fuckwad who shivved Howard Dean’s 50-state strategy just as it was paying off.

  • Silver Badger

    What happened to healing the sick, feeding the hungry and clothing the naked? One would think that brown Jesus would have some severe issues with this program.

  • Leo
    • uh!?!?!?
      it’s been less than 4 fucking weeks!!!!
      NO ONE KNOWS HOW WELL THEY’RE WORKING YET!!

      • Karl Dubhe 2

        He knows how much it’s going to increase his bank accounts. He might even be able to get out of debt.

      • clay

        Or he’s admitting there never was any real long term economic gain expected. It’s only for short term PR gain, until they actually present a (balanced on a pin head) budget.

    • Lazycrockett

      I know the GOP has been pushing this bullshit talking point for the last couple of weeks, but is anyone actually buying it?

      • Jonathan Smith

        the GOP?
        oh, and Fox news.

    • Joe in PA

      Same bullshit as the “the FBI investigation is just because they are covering up for losing the election”….or something. Derp.

    • The_Wretched

      IRS doesn’t have the staffing to handle the implementation. It’s a nullity so far.

  • EqualityForAll

    Oh no! This reminds me of the day just a few short years ago when my born-again orthopedic doctor at a VA hospital tossed a religious book on his desk, telling me that prayer can work for pain just as well as any medication or surgery.

    • Joe in PA

      On the bright side, Trump has made it easier to fire people at the VA. So there’s that.

      • Jonathan Smith

        on the bright side, dRumph and Pence and Ryan all died in a fire.
        Reads better.

    • Karl Dubhe 2

      Did you ask him to pray to god to stop the pain while you hit him with that religious book? (jk)

    • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

      And tell him when he seeks payment, that you are praying that Jesus grants him prosperity.

    • The_Wretched

      I guess he won’t mind a spinal rearrangement then.

  • Boreal

    Yay! Behold the glorious revolution we got by avoiding her emails!

    https://i.imgur.com/bPw3ILW.gif

  • Jonathan Smith
    • Lumpy Gaga

      Ack! Visual earworm! Who is she? Can’t do anything until I figure out where I know her from!

      • Lumpy Gaga

        HOST OF THE NEW MST3K!!!

        YESSSSSSSSSS!!!

        I WIN!

        • Lumpy Gaga

          URL:
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          • Lumpy Gaga

            [Stupid brain.]

  • JAKvirginia

    “…make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”

  • Tom Ato

    How about my freedom from religion?

    • Boreal

      Jeebus says no.

  • Joe in PA

    No one should be forced to choose between helping sick people and living by one’s deepest moral or religious convictions, and the new division will help guarantee that victims of unlawful discrimination find justice.

    Good lard, we really are living in upside down world. THEY are being discriminated against. Got it.

    • Sam_Handwich
      • Joe in PA

        Yay Panti! That was epic, thanks for the reminder.

        • JackFknTwist

          Miss Panti is an Irish hero…….

          I’m amused that this requires subtitles……but I do understand !
          She helped swing the referendum on marriage equality !

          • Joe in PA

            And I got a response and a “like” from her on a tweet I sent. Yes, I am that special. 🙂 She’s great.

          • JackFknTwist

            Excellent dude……you must visit her bar…The Panti Bar.

          • prixator

            Hey! As someone with hearing loss, I appreciate subtitles and captioning (not sure what the difference is between the two, but they both exist and I’m very happy for that).

          • JackFknTwist

            My point being that she speaks English…as do I…..usually 1

          • prixator

            My point is that subtitles/captions are useful for others, even if you can hear and understand perfectly.

      • Joe in PA

        Oh, Candidate Handwich…I’ve been meaning to ask you this of your campaign…

        Do you support chained-migration for Jalapeños? Will there be a hotness test?

        And may I suggest a complete and total ban on Miracle Whip™ until we can figure out “what is going on”?

        • Silver Badger

          No. If we knew what was up with Miracle Whip, it wouldn’t be a Miracle.

        • Jonathan Smith
          • Joe in PA

            I suspect candidate Handwich would approve that, maybe even expedite. Ahem.

          • JackFknTwist

            What a beautiful guy.

          • JCF

            Get in what? ;-p~~~~~

        • PickyPecker

          psst…..people are talking about the Spin Blend® orgy.

          • Joe in PA

            We would definitely need photographic proof, video would be best. Would ultra-HD be too much to ask?

          • Jonathan Smith

            oh? where and when?

    • Just Noh

      yes, poor them! their “moral convictions” are against helping sick people (and a host of other services, i’m sure).

      • clay

        And here I thought “helping sick (or injured) people” WAS one’s deepest moral or religious conviction.

        • Jonathan Smith

          don’t be silly.
          ONLY if they are of the same faith.
          I DO know, the next time i need a doctor, I’m going in in a hijab holding my black husbands hand.
          he’s 6’3 and you do NOT want to get on my wrong side in front of him. 🙂
          god’s i love that man:)

    • Gretchen

      Isn’t this exactly what this bullshit causes. There was no choice before. You just helped sick people. You didn’t have to do any deciding. The choice was made.

      • David Walker

        Yes, but it hurt so much, knowing that god didn’t approve of what you were doing and they drilled into you how you were supposed “help people” unquestioningly. Now it’s possible to practice medicine and live your faith…and kill people as god desires.

    • JCF

      “choose between helping sick people”

      Stop.Right.Fucking.There.

      If someone is sick, there is ZERO other criteria re HELPING them. Nothing else. Sick = Help, PERIOD.

      • AmeriCanadian

        That’s where a sane person would stop. And those who believe in the Hippocratic Oath. But these people are the furthest from being sane. And they place their “religion” above science and pretty much everything else.

    • JackFknTwist

      Your f ucking religious convictions should require you to help sick people !
      What the f uck is wrong with you ?

  • The Sentinel
    • safari

      Mother?

  • Leo

    OT2. By the way folks, Maddow quietly went #1 again last week and yesterday.

    In 25-49 demo and total. She’s really been on fire – Bayrock block was exceptional.

  • Karl Dubhe 2

    Theocracy is coming down… 🙁

  • Proud MOFO Beaner (bkb)
  • Survey Programmer

    Can’t wait for docs and nurses who are conscientiously opposed to participating in infant male circumcision to claim it violates their deeply held religious beliefs about the sanctity of the human body (not to mention the child’s OWN religious freedom to not have body parts removed in the name of his parents’ religion). A lot of Christian fundamentalists are big on circumcision because ‘Jesus was’. Would make a good test case to see how far they REALLY value religious freedom. Would love to see this new policy backfire on them and prevent them from cutting their sons.

    • The_Wretched

      their god snacks on foreskin.

      • Silver Badger

        Would that be a zipper god?

        • The_Wretched

          OT god wanted them by the basketful. 1 Samuel 18:27

        • Joe in PA

          Slut…wear some underwear. Sheesh. 🙂

    • David Walker

      I was brushing up on the David and Jonathan story and read the Goliath story, too. The importance placed on Goliath NOT being circumcised was pretty amusing. Of course, David was, so he won the day.

  • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

    I will be posting on The Hill and other sites with vile right wing types how the administration just empowered Muslims the freedom to discriminate against Christians without fear of consequence. However, despite being smeared by the right and by our President, they would not extend the same contempt that angry old white Christians are enshrining into law.

    Of course some LGBT people have religious beliefs. They certainly might feel that being hateful is anti-god and therefore, they could feel, based on their religious beliefs, that anti-gay bigots were given their illness by god and no treatment should be rendered.

  • BombasticB

    I’m a RN and have had to provide care to murders, child molesters, gang members and a lot of really nasty people. I didn’t get to say I have moral objections and refuse their care. I think you can not approve of someone but should still provide their care. And if you can’t provide the care then get another job.

    • prixator

      Your last line is key. May I ask, is this very important principle emphasized in nursing school? If not, it certainly should be.

      Right at the beginning of school, students should be told “Being in this profession means that you will treat every person you encounter with the utmost respect and perform to the best of your abilities – no matter who they are. If that bothers you, your only choice is to find another profession”.

  • Silver Badger

    If the top picture is of Mr. Severino, he is pretty obviously a fiend from Hell. Fine company trump’s government keeps.

    • NowAnAgnostic

      My thoughts exactly.

    • AmeriCanadian

      Yep. Not even hiding it anymore are they?

  • Ninja0980

    As he has in the past, I expect the minute someone calls out this dipshit he will talk about the racism he experienced as a child and how he didn’t chose to have brown skin but we “chose” to be LGBT etc.
    To that I say fuck you.
    I have former gay friends who experienced bigotry because they were gay who turned right around and said people like Obama were ungrateful *(&& ruining our country.
    They were just as bigoted as the homophobes who hurt them.
    No different here.
    No matter how he tries to spin it or how “nice” he is, Roger is no different then the racists who spewed crap against him and his family solely because of their skin color and ethnic origin.
    He simply has a different minority group that he holds in utter contempt then they did.

  • tbj5

    So health workers need to refuse service to Christians, based on the worker’s sincerely held belief.

    Call their bluff.

    • clay

      . . . or political affiliation– I’m opposed to helping those who refuse help to all.

    • Gretchen

      We seriously need to start a church. I got an Internet minister certificate to marry people; I’m ready to lead my flock.

  • Boss Dave

    The AMA needs to defrock doctors that blow off their Hippocratic oath to play this game.

  • clay

    “No one should be forced to choose between helping sick people and living by one’s deepest moral or religious convictions, . . . ”

    And it’s cruelly fucked up that religious leaders are trying to force them to make the choice to refuse to help the ill (or injured).

    • Moebym of the Returners

      If one’s deepest moral or religious convictions lead to a refusal to treat ALL people with the same level of care, then don’t be a fucking healthcare professional. Period.

      • Jonathan Smith

        “If one’s deepest moral or religious convictions lead to a refusal to treat ALL people with the same level of care, then don’t be a fucking” ANYTHING” professional.”

    • Lizard

      That statement is so goddamn selfish. “I know you’re sick and I could help you but ME ME ME ME!”

  • Mark McGovern

    WWJD?

  • sfjohn

    and the courts will say NO!

  • Do ya’ll reall y think we’d be going thru all of this if gay people were still quiet and in the closet?

    rhetorical question, i know.

    • Jonathan Smith

      not so rhetorical,
      and yes.

  • Jonathan Smith

    ya know………just when I think they can’t POSSIBLY make things any more worse…….. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/976c7e5ed004247e2b1ffc80efb088697e1e396967d6ba8b15f465996b385321.gif

  • The_Wretched

    Special rights for special interest, to wit, bigoted christians who don’t want to 1. follow the law 2. treat everyone with dignity 3. have equal protection 4. or good governance.

    pathetic.

  • Richard Rush

    It would be more honest for this new HHS division to be named . . .
    Conscience Respect for Ignorance and Religious Freedom Dominion Division

  • Jo-Nathan

    The fact that this administration would use the image of a woman wearing a hijab and donning a stethoscope as a stock image for this page, is hypocritical at best and laughable at worst. Three things of which this administration have made targets for nearly one year: women, people of the Islamic faith, and science.

  • Sam_Handwich

    has the AMA made a statement?

    • Joe in PA

      I’m surprised the haters haven’t come up with some similar sounding organization that they can use to fool people. I always have to do a double-take with the Pediatric vs Pediatric org they created.

    • j.martindale

      I foresee them coming out strongly against this. Professional standards require ALL health care workers to perform their duties without regard to personal prejudices. The Rethugs will have a fight on their hands when they start demanding that hospitals and doctors’ offices have to make allowances for the superstitions of their staffs..

    • David Walker

      No, but Jesus did. Luke 10:25-37, but it’s in red print in many bibles, which always mean you don’t have to take it seriously:
      29 But [an expert in the law] wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”
      30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’
      36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”
      37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”
      Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

  • narutomania

    But I’m guessing that they will be keeping their provisions for providing health services for vampires and other undead creatures?

    Just asking … https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f770811c8d74eebc580e9ce1038e81520a177c7cf1509a8645ab36be22aae253.png

  • Tomcat

    So I guess since trump cannot be king of America, he has decided to be the Messiah.

    • Gretchen

      He may be the antichrist.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Why didn’t they just call it the ” Right to Hate & Kill ” division ?

    • Jonathan Smith

      too direct and to the point.

    • Boreal

      Already taken by the Justice Dept.

    • The_Wretched

      Everything has to have a bizarro backwards name. It’s in the rules they extracted from 1984.

  • Tomcat

    Trump moves us onward to the dark ages again.

  • HZ81

    OMG, LCR must be so, so thrilled with their quisling Tweet from this morning. Oh, wait. They are.

  • Refugay

    Meanwhile our gay tax dollars are taken to fund their children’s education. Fuck these people!!!

  • So great. Now we are the United States of fucking Texas, where women can’t get access to life saving medicine, gays are turned away, and who knows what else, simply because they find it icky… I mean jesus tells them to finds it icky.

    And how fucking dare they use the Office for Civil Rights to promote this. What a bunch of fucking shitbags. All of them. Every single one. They’re all a living fart from the butt of a lesser god.

  • Dk

    wtf is conscience???? I love how they co-opt good terms for their HATE. Disgusting

    • The_Wretched

      “Conscience” in this case means denying medical care to sick or injured people. Conscience also means flat invidious discrimination and a legal get out of jail free card. Conscience means first class citizens get a set of rights and second class citizens (you and me) get less rights.

    • clay

      “Preacher was talking, there’s a sermon he gave,
      He said, ‘Every man’s conscience is vile and depraved.
      You cannot depend on it to be your guide,
      When it’s you who must keep it satisfied.'”

      Bob Dylan (1989) “Man in the Long Black Coat”

  • Can gays request freedom from religion? I mean like, can they request to be treated by someone who gives a shit about them, and doesn’t believe there’s a two-thousand-year-old man alive up there floating in space who is telling them to keep their distance?

  • Lizard

    Here’s a novel idea: if your religion stops your from doing your job, find a different job.

    • That or a different religion.

      • JCF

        Better still. [Disclaimer: if the job were “working on State Correctional Execution Team”, I would indeed find another job which didn’t conflict w/ my religion.]

    • Silver Badger

      Where oh where have I heard that statement? Was it Kentucky?

      • David Walker

        Yes, but it’s all right now. She’s joined the banana republicans.

  • liondon#iamnotatraitor

    It’s official, we’re a theocracy.

    • AmeriCanadian

      Which version is state sponsored? There are just so many.

      • The_Wretched

        Evangelism | dominionism.

      • liondon#iamnotatraitor

        The white one.

  • Refugay

    The hypocritical oath.

  • dcurlee

    Wonder how many dicks he’s sucked

    • kanehau

      Hopefully none with those teeth.

  • Tor

    “No one should be forced to choose between helping sick people and living by one’s deepest moral or religious convictions,,,”
    That’s just evil. The obvious choice is to help sick people.

    • AmeriCanadian

      That was the reply that I was expecting as I was reading. Little did I realize just how fucking twisted their logic is (quelle surprise).

    • Lizard

      If your morals lead to a conclusion of “Don’t help this sick person,” your morals are fucked.

    • Long Tube of Demons

      So we’re supposed to call around to emergency rooms to make sure that there’s someone available who isn’t a religious nutjob?

  • Rebecca Gardner

    How the fuck is this Constitutional? This country has become so fucked up.

    • Annerdr

      It probably won’t be Constitutional. We’re keeping the Supreme Court hopping.

  • WTHella

    This will put them in the position of deciding whose religious beliefs are legitimate and who’s arent.

    • AmeriCanadian

      That’s a separate department…soon to be named.

    • Jonathan Smith

      “yours aren’t, mine are”

      • Lizard

        “Medical care for me but not for thee”

    • AdamTh

      Simple… Mine are based on religion; yours are based on a cult.

      • Lizard

        Po-tay-to, po-tah-to…

    • The_Wretched

      That turns out to be easy for them. They mean white evangelical conservative christianity. So long as you’re one of those, you’re golden.

    • (((GC)))

      Or maybe not…

      Time for healthcare professionals who are adherents of The Satanic Temple to challenge fundie EMPLOYERS’ policies!!!

  • Tomcat

    All trump is going to end up with is the destruction of the GOP.

    • AdamTh

      The country before the party.

    • (((GC)))

      May that happen long before the destruction of the country. After that, let the Democrats (with no worsening of their positions) become the next irrelevant, backwards, inhumane, regressive party we will have outgrown.

  • j.martindale

    So religious fantasies are more important than people’s lives. What a bunch of assholes.

    • clay

      Pence’s idiots think that people’s lives only have meaning as a way to get to their religious fantasy.

  • Gretchen

    Well, hell. I guess now I have to interview every healthcare worker I see about their religious bullshit before I allow them to treat me. Racist? Homophobic? Anti-Choice? Anything else I need to know before I ask for another nurse? If you are willing to refuse to treat anyone, you are not touching me.

    I think this pisses me off more than anything else I’ve seen today. All I can say to all of you who are at risk of discrimination is that I am so sorry that there are people in this world who are so awful that they would rather let you suffer than do their fucking jobs. This breaks my heart. I try to be a good ally. I will make missteps, and I may unintentionally offend someone out of ignorance, but I am on your side. This is the kind of bigotry that allies cannot let slide. I will speak up, and I will do everything I can locally to prevent bigots from working in the healthcare facilities I use.

    • TuuxKabin

      Thank you Gretchen. Words well taken and held close. Thanks.

    • djcoastermark

      In some religious and “deeply held beliefs” circles , an ally is reason enough to be discriminated against. And don’t fret the missteps, we all make them. Lard knows I have in this journey called life. What’s important is that we all learn from our unintentional missteps. It’s what makes us better humans.

      • Gretchen

        Something was said here yesterday about returning to wearing pink triangles. My husband and I have already decided that we are willing to be identified publicly with any targeted minority group. Honestly, I could not be more proud than to be identified with the people at JMG.

        Equality means shared responsibilities and shared consequences.

        • David Walker

          Thank you. My love and admiration to you and your guy.

    • Christopher

      “I guess now I have to interview every healthcare worker I see about their religious bullshit before I allow them to treat me. Racist? Homophobic? Anti-Choice? Anything else I need to know before I ask for another nurse? If you are willing to refuse to treat anyone, you are not touching me.”

      This is exactly what everyone of us should do!

      Turn the tables on them, and make sure everyone around knows exactly what you’re doing and why.

  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/954069905334243328
    Just a reminder that in states covered by the 5th and 8th Circuit (the South and Midwest), lawsuits filed will be coming before judges who have spent their entire lives waging war against the LGBT community and Reproductive rights.
    How do you think they’ll rule on this?
    The courts matter due to crap like this, a damn shame so many in our party STILL don’t get that.

    • The_Wretched

      My #1 complaint about Bill Clinton (and fedgov level dems ever since) is that they refused to spend any political capital on defending the court system from right wing packing. It’s a clear #1.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Frum’s theory (i.e., they can’t achieve their agenda through democracy, so fuck democracy) sounds more and more plausible with each newsbite.

  • gaycuckhubby

    “No one should be forced to choose between helping sick people and living by one’s deepest moral or religious convictions”

    Yes. Actually. If you decided to make a career in the medical field than you should be forced to choose

    • Lizard

      Ethical physicians, at least, know they’re healers, not juries. It’s not their place to judge their patients and punish them by refusing care.

      (And this is usually reasoning applied to actual criminals, not regular law-abiding citizens who happen to be gay or female.)

      • gaycuckhubby

        Right. The example that immediately came to my mind was the emergency care that the hospital in Boston administered to the Marathon bomber.

        That’s how it should be done. We don’t take the doctor’s feelings into account

        • JackFknTwist

          Exactly !
          What has a doctor’s feelings got to contribute to the task in hand ?

          And didn’t Jesus sat something about helping the sick, clothing the naked.
          These f uckers are thoroughbred Nazis…..they are manipulating religious beliefs to cause harm.
          And they are criminals.

  • And what’s up with the expression on his face? Did his butt plug just fall out? I mean that’s always a risk if you wear one out in public.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/99f78b8e7712088303e5a640ec690f47024dbca375c11ba2d8d19546fc0f1764.png

  • Chris Baker

    Definitely opens up the field for lawsuits. A healthcare provider (unless it’s an independent person like a dentist with his own practice, etc.) is acting on behalf of it’s employer, so the hospital could be sued. I think it’s going to come down to specific care (birth control, etc.) and not just simply refusing to give someone a flu shot or an eye exam because they are gay.

    • Even independent providers are licensed by the state.

      • Chris Baker

        I just meant that a dentist in his own practice, is his own boss and responsible for his actions. A nurse in a hospital, on the other hand, is acting on behalf of the hospital, so the nurse would not be sued, the hospital would be. I don’t think a hospital would look kindly on an employee who is repeatedly getting them sued. I think a hospital would nip it in he bud before it happens by issuing policies.

        • From what I’ve read, the new rules may not allow them to issue policies. I saw an article that noted penalties for any entity that forbids or punishes the exercise of “religious freedom.”

          • Chris Baker

            Maybe a policy like telling HR a list of people / reasons you would not serve ahead of time so they can make arrangements ahead of time.

    • coram nobis

      Which means that a malpractice suit may be the way to go, not just Establishment Clause. And complaints to state licensing boards, where HHS wouldn’t have direct jurisdiction.

      • The_Wretched

        The religi-loons will point to the HHS as the ‘standard of care’ for judging the actions of the medical provider. The right-wing judges will go along with it even though the State standards are typically written as local ones (I’m guessing that’ll change in (R) controlled States).

        • coram nobis

          Won’t be easy given the amount of standard-of-care case law in Torts. It may be hard to get past relevance objections to raise “conscience” in a malpractice proceeding, where the issue is the patient’s injuries, not the practitioner’s state of mind.

          • The_Wretched

            I think you’re right but they have very effectively whittled away at abortion rights a step at a time while losing court case after court case.

          • Lizard

            And made a lot of desperate women suffer in the process.

          • Christopher

            All while stocking the courts with conservative fuckwads.

  • JoeMyGod

    GOP Sen. James Lankford speaks at the 20:00 mark in the video. Vomit.

    • JoeMyGod

      Viciously anti-LGBT Rep. Vicki Hartzler follows Lankford.

      • Silver Badger

        Thank you for watching this stuff for me, over and over. I can’t do it once without screaming.

    • The_Wretched

      Yep, I want to hurl too listening to him frame this change as one of ‘speaking out for injustice’.

  • The_Wretched

    We already know what this change will lead to. Cases like Savita Halappanavar.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar

    • AmeriCanadian

      That will be the least of it. Wasn’t it the GOP that believed we would have death panels as a result of the ACA? Who knew they were projecting their wildest dreams and are now getting to live them out? Of course the death panels are sanctioned by their “god” so it’s perfectly OK.

    • coram nobis

      Or the case of Jay Kallio —

      https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/15/transgender-health-care_n_7587506.html

      — or Janice Langbehn, both in the US.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janice_Langbehn

      Mark them down as talking points as well.

      • Silver Badger

        There are so many. Look at the atrocities against the partners of the early AIDS pandemic.

        • coram nobis

          Yes, I’m just pointing at recent years, to demonstrate that the problem is still here.

      • 2guysnamedjoe

        Does Jay Kallio’s monster doctor still practice? If so, what’s his name, and where does he work. I’m in NYC, and I need to know in order to avoid him.

        • coram nobis

          Should do a search, and not just on google. If s/he’s licensed to practice in NY the state licensing board should have something.

    • JackFknTwist

      Yeah, that was tragic.

  • Cuberly Deux

    “No one should be forced to choose between helping sick people and living by one’s deepest moral or religious convictions,…”

    Do no harm?

    • Jonathan Smith

      to baby jebus.
      the rest of you fuckers are on your own.

      • Cuberly Deux

        That’s pretty much it.

        That original statement he made is so broad it could be used for quite literally anything on a whim.

        • David Walker

          The joy of banana republicanism.

          • Cuberly Deux

            It creates a striation of people, a religious class that sets the rules, and everyone else.

      • Cuberly Deux

        Quite literally, a physician could refuse to treat anyone outside of the christian faith.

    • Beat me to it. I was going to say, if your deepest moral or religious convictions don’t include helping sick people, you’ve really missed the point.

      • Cuberly Deux

        Zealots appear to be oblivious to the processes, procedures & oaths it takes to be a licensed physician.

  • Elsewhere1010

    Just ignore the Hippocratic Oath and the Nightingale Pledge. Easy.

    .Then strip them of their license to practice any sort of medicine.

  • Richard

    Once again Hate trumps helping your fellow man….it’s the Republican way! It’s
    amazing to me how some people could turn away a person in need of healthcare,
    and supported by a government supposedly of ALL THE PEOPLE, so that idiots can keep from pissing off an imaginary friend in the sky. No wonder we’re going down the tubes…

  • The_Wretched

    So muslim doctors can refuse to treat women? Is that what we’re hearing?

    • BobSF_94117

      Well, they did warn us that Sharia was coming…

  • Ben in Oakland

    “No one should be forced to choose between helping sick people and living by one’s deepest moral or religious convictions…”

    I am having trouble see where the two things should EVER be in any conflict at all. It’s hard to imagine where living your deepest moral beliefs— there’s a loophole you could drive a large cathedral through— should ever include other people who don’t share your religious beliefs.

    Jesus: I won’t be healing you or raising your from the dead today. You’re really not my sort, ya know?

    • JackFknTwist

      Yeah, I’m confused by that entire sentence.

      It sounds like some type of deliberate conflict created to contrive a solution.

      • Ben in Oakland

        Exactly

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      Lemme see if I got this right. They’re demanding the right to choose between:

      (a) helping sick people, or

      (b) living by one’s deepest moral or religious convictions.

      while keeping their jobs and professional licenses if they choose (b) instead of (a).

      • Ben in Oakland

        Pretty much. Religion as privilege. What a concept! But deepest moral convictions is quite a large loophole.

      • JackFknTwist

        Yep…..the luxury of bigotry.

  • NZArtist

    So, all those gay nurses can refuse to treat politicians? Awesome!

  • coram nobis

    So, “religious freedom”, along with “conscience”, has entered the Newspeak dictionary, as an excuse for professional malpractice on the merest assertion of religious belief, however ill-defined or nebulous it is.

    • Cuberly Deux

      It’s so generalized an excuse what wouldn’t fall under that claim?

  • Treant

    This, faster than anything else, may bring equal rights as long as Ginsburg hangs on another three years.

  • coram nobis

    Say, just how many interns and residents are still getting frozen out of their careers because they’re LGBT? If the doctors and nurses are all straight, it increases the likelihood of maltreatment of LGBT patients.

    And if there is discrimination among medical professionals, can we assume that, too, is a matter of religion?

    • JackFknTwist

      If a Dr. or nurse refuses to treat a patient they should be fired immediately…….whatever the grounds.

      remember when they refused to touch or treat AIDS patients ?
      We have not forgotten those instances.
      Some medics were wonderful, but not all.

      • coram nobis

        Sue for malpractice, complain to the state medical licensing board, maybe file a civil-rights (14th Am. &c.) suit as well, depending on the circumstances and jurisdiction. Case law has advanced.

  • Looks like a legal challenge is going to be forthcoming . . .

    • Lizard

      Good.

    • The_Wretched

      The courts and legal groups like the ACLU are being run ragged on big issues and big items like this one. It means they don’t have bandwidth for smaller but still vital cases.

      • djcoastermark

        Which reminds me, I have to renew my ACLU “membership ” today. **edit** Which I just completed.

  • Friday

    Christofascist Republicans trying to invert the meaning *of* religious freedom whine they’re oppressed if they can’t commit religious coercion when they’re supposed to be upholding medical ethics.

  • m_lp_ql_m

    “Complaint page,” eh? Fire up minions.

  • ETownCanuck

    I’m not very religious, but I’m pretty sure this goes against most of the rules that the lead character in that silly novel they pattern their lives by, has expressly requested they follow.

    • The_Wretched

      White american jesus isn’t much like that bible character.

      • (((GC)))

        Especially since the Bible contains liberal translation distortions and outright forgeries. Jesus pardoning the adulteress? His followers having all property in common? Those cannot be the True Word of God!!!!1!11!

    • Friday

      You’ll notice their ‘Christian Values’ are only ever used as an excuse to do wrong to others.

  • jimbo65

    This is why Pence has to go as well. This has his theocracy bullshit stamped all over it.

  • LovesIrony

    When can we stone the adulterers?

    • m_lp_ql_m

      Unfortunately, they seem to have all the stones at this point.

      • Christopher

        Thankfully I have bags and bags of marbles. Now, where did I put my slingshot?

    • Gretchen

      Hold your fire, friend. According to the wing nuts, I’m still married to my first husband and have been living in sin with the current one for two decades.

      Just a thought to ponder: If I’m still married to the first husband, and he is gay and married to his new husband, does that mean I have three husbands? That could get sticky.

      • architect_tim

        Apply more J-Lube when it get’s sticky…especially in a 3-4 way..

        • Stogiebear

          When your J-Lube gets sticky it’s just lost too much moisture. It’s handy to keep a spray bottle with water in it nearby. A few well aimed spritzes of water and you’re back in slick as pig shit business. And I know for damn sure how I know that!

          • jmax

            Spray bottle with water? What’s wrong with good ol’ spit? 🙂

          • Gretchen

            In general girls don’t spit.

          • jmax

            I wish someone had told my three sisters that. 😐

          • madknits

            “Ladies” don’t spit.
            Girls spit, God love ’em!

          • Gretchen

            I am physically incapable of spitting without getting it all over me. I will just leave spittin’ to the menfolk.

          • Gretchen

            I’m just going to trust you on that one. I’m kind of ashamed to admit in this fine company my lube is sold at Wal-Mart.

          • Stogiebear

            That’s okay Gretchen. J-Lube is actually produced for the farm/veterinary industry. Think reaching in to help birth a calf…

          • Gretchen

            I googled. It was um…interesting? I did sound like an inexpensive alternative to fancy name brands.

        • Gretchen

          I had to google J-Lube. I don’t think I will ever need to be that slippery, but it does sound like a good bargain cost wise.

      • Silver Badger

        They warned us that polygamy was going to be a problem. Look on the bright side. You have three men to do the dirty and heavy work and only one interested in obtaining sexual favors. Three husbands = three paychecks?

        • Gretchen

          That would be handy, but I don’t I’m willing to live with the first husband again. Been there…done that…him being gay was the least of our problems.

          On the other hand, I have been trying to talk the current husband into getting me a sister wife for years. That sounds like a nifty setup.

      • edrex

        3 husbands? “sticky” sounds about right.

  • Paul_in_Dallas

    Anagram: Roger Severino ~ Groin Overseer

    • GanymedeRenard

      Roger Severino ~Ergo, reversion.

    • William

      Remind me to wear my suit of armor.

  • William
  • Christopher

    So, how long until we can flee to another country because of religious/political persecution?

    NOT asking for a friend.

    • Silver Badger

      First you’ll have to find a country that will take us. The chances of finding one for those of us in the HIV+ community are between slim and none.

      • GanymedeRenard

        You don’t have to disclose your HIV status in many countries, SB. And many countries have a much better health care system than the U.S. Just sayin’. 🙂

        • Silver Badger

          I have been on expensive medication for many years. How do I hide that? What difference in dying in the USA or a foreign country?

          • GanymedeRenard

            I was trying to say, dear SB, that not all countries are your enemies because of your HIV status. You wouldn’t need to hide it at all! Now, regarding health care… You’d need to be a legal resident or a citizen to get appropriate attention, I’m afraid. I should have mentioned that in my comment.

          • Silver Badger

            Not a problem. I am reminded of the boat load of Jewish women and children refused entry to the US either before or during WWII.

          • GanymedeRenard

            Right. They were refused entry to the U.S. but welcomed in other countries such as Mexico or Argentina. The U.S. was never the only “promised land”.

          • NowAnAgnostic

            I believe there was one ship full of Jewish refugees which never did find a safe harbor, and was forced back to Germany and certain death.

          • GanymedeRenard

            I’m sure there are more than one of those tragic stories. I’m sure of that. But certainly not everything was a tragedy.

          • Christopher

            The difference may be dying in peace, or in a fight to the death.

            But I understand where you’re coming from.

          • Silver Badger

            Good point.

          • Lars Littlefield

            Argentina has no health screening for potential new citizens. And as for expensive meds, the government provides all meds and health care for those with HIV for free. They know what they are doing down there, Also, physicians’ have ratings imposed by the government so you can check up to see if they have a less than stellar history of being excellent in their respective fields.

  • j.martindale

    All this bullshit in one day makes me think maybe tRump IS the AntiChrist.

    • JackFknTwist

      Meh. more of a gobshite.
      You give him too much credit.

    • Silver Badger

      Pence, not trump.

  • Christopher

    Severino has a face for radio.

    Yeah, I took a cheap shot. WTF he’s a vile creature!

    • Jerry Kott

      This is War, all is fair! Our Tribe doesn’t take prisoners.

      • Christopher

        He’s got a face that would make babies cry even if they have crusty eye boogers gluing their eyes shut.

        • Jerry Kott

          He looks like someone who plays the tambourine.

          • Christopher

            At airports. In a robe.

    • Lars Littlefield

      Obviously his parents didn’t love him. Otherwise they would have paid for him to wear braces during his teen years to correct those severely maloccluded teeth, Stuff a carrot in his mouth and fire his ass ASAP.

  • GanymedeRenard

    What kind of ethical MONSTER would choose between “helping sick people and living by one’s deepest moral or religious convictions”?

    • Gretchen

      What kind of monster’s deepest moral or religious convictions prohibit helping sick people?

      • GanymedeRenard

        My thoughts exactly.

  • Jimmy cricket

    I cannot WAIT for the next president to dismantle this garbage department.

  • acde

    The Inquisition – Stage l – Famously from the roman Catholic Church in the Middle Ages. No one escaped their clutches in one piece, Sometimes in 4 – drawn and quartered for Jeebus

  • Boy Elvis

    My religion compels me to refuse service to rat-faced motherfuckers with this Roger Severino piece of shit. I’d better be covered by this law.

  • Craig Howell

    So there’s an official complaint page, eh? Wouldn’t it be just awful if an undisciplined horde of airborne monkeys swamped those poor people in HHS with bogus complaints? Just sayin’.

  • Tempus Fuggit
  • Jean-Marc in Canada
  • Paddycakes2001

    And it bears mentioning that “religious freedom” is not “the first freedom.” The First Amendment doesn’t use that phrase. There are two protections concerning religion, and the actual first one is protection *against* establishment of religion. The “free exercise” of religion (closer to what this charlatan is referring to) comes second.

  • Long Tube of Demons

    #TRUMPISHITLER

  • Long Tube of Demons

    I hope they are aware that this will enable conservative nutjob Muslims to refuse to treat women. At all.

    • Duck

      They will all be surprised and horrified to once again find out that “religious”, and “religion” ALSO include Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Other-sects-of-Christianism, Wicca, Buddhism and any number of other belief-in-a-higher-power-and/or-mystical-realm-or-beings-isms.

  • R W C

    Dear Preacher Doctors:
    Does this sound familiar?
    “I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.”

    • R W C

      Or, perhaps this?
      “I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.”

      • Bad Tom

        Or this:
        “First, Do No Harm”

  • David Walker

    Jack’s mom died in a Catholic hospital in Philly. Understandably, he wanted to be with her before she was shipped off to the funeral home. She had been moved to the morgue, of course. A fully-decked-out nun came up to us as we entered the lobby. She asked what we wanted and Jack explained the situation. She asked if I were his brother or a relative. No. She refused to let me go with him to the morgue to see a dead body. It was never a good idea to ruffle Jack’s feathers, but on the day that his mother died and after riding about 2.5 hours in rain, he said rather pointedly that I WAS family, that his mother considered me family, too, and he will be with Jack. The nun was clearly not used to having her authority challenged, especially by a couple of faggots, and refused. Jack’s voiced raised to 11 on the volume dial and the fight was interesting to say the least. The nun held onto her beads and regurgitated everything that let her make that decision. Another nun with more metal came over to see why there was yelling in her lobby. Nun #1 explained the situation her way and Jack explained what she was doing from his perspective. Well, Nun #2 was no more compassionate or understanding, so the shouting match resumed and I, Fag #2, joined in. Jack’s voice was louder (loudest, actually), but mine was more resonant and they both kind of shut up while I argued with them. “Well, it is the policy of this hospital…” resumed Nun #2. By that point Jack was in tears, of both anger and sorrow, and I was starting to well up, too, mostly because I couldn’t believe what was going on. Some guy from the administrator’s office came into the lobby. He was donned in his slightly more than everyday street-type priest suit. Before long, it had become a 5-way shouting match. I finally roared something like, “Look! My partner’s mother is dead! His mother! And whether you like it or not, I am his partner! Do you really think god is going to be so upset with you if you let me walk with him to pay his respects to his mother…in the morgue!” We were escorted to the morgue. Our escort left us outside the doors. We went in. A woman asked if she could help us. Jack explained. It was obvious she was about to object to me and I said that Sister So-And-So and Father Something-Or-Other said it was all right. She quite reluctantly found the fridge with Marie’s body in it. Jack spent time with her.

    I’d really prefer not to go back to that treatment, allowing a hospital allegedly there to save lives and heal people get to pick whom they will offer their services to and whom they will allow in. That day was yet another nail in religion’s coffin.

    • JackFknTwist

      I’m reading this in the year 2018.

      I’m so angry !
      Religion seems to have turned these humans into c unts of the highest obnoxity ( yeah, I know it’s not a word.)

      They develop this ‘holier that thou’ mentality once they get into the Jesus vibe. And they consider they have a licence to patronize and moralize to their hearts’ content !
      In that situation I would have completely lost it with my temper.

    • Pip

      I’m sorry this ever happened to you. This kind of thing right here is why this cannot happen. I don’t ever want to have to claim my partner as a cousin or whatever in order to have them be by my side or vice verse. I had to do it when I was younger, and never want to go back to that again.

  • Davester

    LMAO. Sounds constitutional to me!

  • CottonBlimp

    No one should be forced to choose between helping sick people and living by one’s deepest moral or religious convictions

    No one should be able to choose not to help sick people if their job is to help sick people.

    • JackFknTwist

      Yeah, keep it simple.
      It isn’t the Gordian Moral Knot.

  • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

    I give HIPAA one year.

  • coram nobis

    So, has anybody pointed this out to the AMA? Joe? What’s their reax?

    • stevenj

      I went to their website earlier today. For “the public” contact is snail mail only. Or you can call an automated answer center at 312 464-4782.

  • Dunkerblinker

    no way this holds up under legal challenge.

    • Republicans own the courts. It’s the voters who are the problem.

  • -M-

    It shouldn’t even be necessary to point out that:

    Freedom for government employees to discriminate against people for not sharing their religious beliefs is the opposite of religious freedom.

  • me myself and I

    the best health care providers are not the religious nuts. So, people getting their care from this new division will get 2nd class care and likely die sooner. Good riddance I say.

  • Natty Enquirer

    “The Founding Fathers knew that a nation that respects conscience rights is more diverse and more free.” Also, war is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength.

  • KnownDonorDad

    I’m convinced that any economic growth is not linked to this pandering to theofascists; rather, it’s an independent effort to retain their votes.

  • JaniceInToronto

    And right down the rabbit hole you go.

    Sorry U.S. You are circling the toilet drain and moving faster and faster towards the sewer…

  • Pip

    While they are at it make plaques and name tag identifiers for all of the docs and nurses that want to be part of this. Have them display them as mandatory identification. If a doctor’s office refuses to do their jobs then they must identify that on their websites. That way everyone knows how repugnant they really are. It will help to keep people from wasting their time and money on people who don’t know what it is to be a healthcare provider.

  • westford

    This may go down as one of the turning points in United States history, when we have abrogated the separation of church and state. A sad, sad and destructive day.

  • Steve Morrison

    THE GOP HAVE THE OVENS READY FOR US!

  • BlindBill

    I would want every health care provider to have a list of all employees with notions as to which populations each employee refuses to care for. As a consumer of health care, I should have the right to that information so I can make informed decisions on who to allow to participate in my own health needs.

    • and get a discount on your heath insurance if you’re not going to receive the treatment you’re paying for as well

    • … and the aisles you’re allowed to walk down in a supermarket if you’re buying condoms (refusal of service by Catholic checkout operators), wine (refusal by Muslim checkout operator), bacon (refusal by Jewish checkout operator).

      • Lars Littlefield

        We have several religious shithead owned stores in Moab that refuse to sell beer. And a couple that do sell beer that refuse to sell it on Sundays.

  • netxtown

    My blood is so fucking boiling. The day will come when one of these fucking jeebus diddlers needs help – and i will gladly and fiercely spit in their faces. Any day I am denied health care because of someones fucked up religion – is the day I will go completely berserk. They will get to see their jeebus – much sooner than they planned.

    • Maggie 4NoH8

      Preach sister!

  • Beto

    So… the Hippocratic oath will be just a mere formalism among physicians?

  • Luther Kreiger

    “No one should be forced to choose between helping sick people and living by one’s deepest moral or religious convictions”

    WHAT THE FLYING FUCK DOES THIS EVEN MEAN?!

    “Oh no, helping this dying person MIGHT be helping a gay person, I’m SO FUCKING MORAL”

    HOLY FUCKING SHIT WHAT IS THIS TWILIGHT ZONE BULLSHIT

    *off to breathe into a paper bag*

  • JWC

    Divide and conquer

  • MrRobotoLA

    That these words were uttered by someone working for a “civil rights protection” body are chilling: “No one should be forced to choose between helping sick people and living by one’s deepest moral or religious convictions.”

    It should say “no sick person should be forced to shop for medical professionals willing to treat them for their ailments.” Sorry you’re bleeding out, sir, would you like me to give you the yellow pages to see if you can find someone else who cares that you’re dying?

  • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

    Now that was obviously a punchable face. And someone already got to it.

    • WNY

      Several people, I think

  • Dale Snyder

    Nice.

    Can I refuse service to you for your BROWN SKIN?

    You common motherfucker.

  • Will LGBT Americans get a discount on their healthcare premiums if they’re going to be denied the treatment they’re paying for?

    • stevenj

      How about federal taxes.

    • Halou

      Wouldn’t that be good! But no, tax cuts / relief are only for the people who least need them, the people with the most money.

  • Snarky

    For anyone who thought “oh, they can just go get their wedding cakes from someone else!” this is where it’s going.

    Next it will be housing and employment.

  • Halou

    “No one should be forced to choose between helping sick people and…”

    If a healthcare worker objects to the principle of providing healthcare they should maybe look for another career. Likewise bakers who believe baking is immoral, maybe the job isn’t for them.

    What next? Are we going to compel the army to hire a division full of pacifists? Like that would better serve national security interests than, say, having transgender service personnel.
    Vegans are not given a special right to work at abattoirs and force the entire industry to adjust itself to their morals. Amish people, as odd as they are, they don’t even try to apply for positions at NASA claiming “persecution” when some high-tech gadget is constructed. But Evangelicals, the incessant whingers just can’t get enough of hurting people. It’s disgusting!

  • Helen Damnation™

    The shit is about to get real. I predict the massive lawsuits will overwhelm the already overwhelmed Trump’s and Jeff Sessions’ DOJ and the court system. I don’t remember Jesus saying or teaching anything about withholding love, food and healthcare for LGBT folks. Maybe someone can enlighten me? (If he did, I would consider it an un-Jesus-like missive, otherwise known as an “unlawful order”.) Besides, I’m an unabashed, god damn atheist, and proud of it.

    • Halou

      If anything Jesus said the exact opposite, the story of the Good Samaritan was all about seeing someone you may hate but treating them with kindness anyway.
      According to some versions of the story the Samaritans and the tribe from which the injured traveller and/or Jesus’ audience came were both rivals at the time Jesus is supposed to have lived.

  • stevenj

    So far we have a cake baker questioning our right to public accommodations in a retail bakery, the state of Mississippi allowed to discriminate legally and federal HHS allowing discrimination. Fuck religion.

  • kaydenpat

    This is very sad. Feeling dazed by all the discrimination this regime is legalizing. We’re going backwards.

  • Canadian Observer

    Why is it when things like this are discussed no one ever uses the example of those “pacifist” religious grouping (Quakers, Mennonites, Hutterites, Jains etc.) who, by any fair application of ‘sincerely held religious belief’ should probably be exempted under IRS regulations from having to pay that portion of their taxes that goes to the armed services? The religious reich seems very selective in what are legitimate objections on ‘religious or moral’ grounds.

  • Lars Littlefield

    This will backfire on the xtian conservatives in a major way. I have been authorized to have rotator cuff surgery. It’s an outpatient thing. But I’ve refused to have the orthopedic surgeon recommended by my Medicare Plus Premium provider because he showed his colors when he examined my shoulder. I have a small rainbow pride triangle tattoo very close to where they’ll need to insert the scope. The surgeon got all huffy when he saw it and commented, “Why would such a dignified man such as yourself deface your body with one of those?” So, I commented that I found the Jesus fish pin on his lab coat offensive. No way am I going to let that asshole cut me open. Fortunately, there is a very good and very gay orthopedic surgeon who practices in Las Vegas and who works for a clinic that accepts my insurance. Just because someone is an xtian doesn’t mean you have to do business with them. Especially when they believe and preach against everything you stand for.

    Another benefit of refusing to use the asshole surgeon in SLC is that the other surgeon is 220 miles closer in Vegas. A win win, if you ask me. Just wait until the medical malpractice law suits start rolling in from LGBT folks who encounter lack of care that puts their life in danger because of this stupid christian inspired rule.

    For all of you who think you are christian and that all christians aren’t bad people, sorry. You’re living in a dangerous bubble.

    • The Professor

      ^^ THIS. Good luck with your surgery. xx

      • Lars Littlefield

        Thanks for that.

    • CharlestonDave

      I had a similar experience with a prestigious sub-specialist when I presented myself for treatment of a fairly obscure emergent eye problem.

      This all came up when I was trying to persuade him that a sexual history and recreational drug use history ought to be part of retina exams, because poppers can cause retinal strokes (which is one reason I don’t indulge). He scoffed at me until I brought him several peer-reviewed published papers on a subsequent visit. He began ranting about gay marriage, and said Christians “wouldn’t stand for it” using a tone that, frankly, frightened me. He asked me odd questions about gay “lifestyle” (sic). I don’t THINK he compromised my medical care, but I found myself another doc even though the new doc wasn’t as qualified. I just didn’t trust the first guy, despite his published textbooks and university position and so on. It’s possible to be an educated bigot. And sometimes you have to vote with your feet.

      Lars, there are review sites for physicians if you want to say your piece. And the state medical association might be interested.

      • Lars Littlefield

        Thanks.

  • Davemeister

    Wonder if the ‘flying monkeys’ could be of assistance at the ‘online’ complaint form. Sounds like they are phishing for and harvesting complaints to prepare for a SCOTUS battle to me. It’s my understanding that this is not a license to discriminate and employers will need to allow their employee’s the religious exemption first and if they don’t, they’d be fired and then they could file the complaint. I could be wrong though as I usually am. 😛

  • Sporkfighter

    This could be handled quickly and cheaply…hire a part-time temp four hours a week and give him a rubber stamp that says “Quit whining and do your fucking job.”

  • The Professor

    Straight to court.

  • I know a number of physicians, even conservative ones. I really doubt that any doctor of any political or religious persuasion is not going to want to perform necessary surgery on a gay man or woman or not want to provide medically necessary drugs.

    Convicted felons and murder suspects are given the same level of care as anyone else. Why wouldn’t a gay person? This isn’t 1954.

    The question is whether a physician should be compelled to provide elective and non-medically necessary abortions or provide hormone therapy to assist someone who wants to transition.

    Trump’s still a tool, but that’s besides the point.

  • Roger D McCracken

    So do I (as an agnostic service provider) get to refuse service to conservative christians????? Screw these Nazis in Bible thumper’s clothes.

  • Joseph Miceli

    Who’s the ugly fag speaking first? If God loves him so much, you’d think he’d fix his mouth (and if I had to hear how his background was in “civil rights” one more time….)

  • Rick Zajac

    Roger Severino is one ugly POS.

    • Joseph Miceli

      Is that the name of the ugly fag speaking first? I think his outside matches his inside perfectly.

    • He can’t help the way he looks, but he CAN educate himself.

  • 1 John 3:17 ~
    “But whoever has the world’s goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him?”

  • Gisele

    “The Founding Fathers knew that a nation that respects conscience rights is more diverse and more free…” – the founding fathers viewed owned other human beings as property. They obviously had an issue with “conscience”.

  • ​I was thinking that once this law is passed, healthcare providers should be required to wear badges listing the types of people, such as gay people, whom they’ll refuse to treat, and those who are denied treatment should be given a discount on their health insurance premiums. There is literally no-one who could be refused treatment because of some religious belief or other, and that includes people of a certain race.

    It also occurs to me that once this idea catches on and becomes embedded in American jurisprudence, more will follow. There’ll have to be special aisles in supermarkets so checkout operators can refuse to scan grocery items that conflict with their religious beliefs. For example, a Catholic aisle where you cannot swipe condoms, a Muslim aisle where you cannot swipe alcohol, a Jewish aisle where you cannot swipe bacon, a Hindu aisle where you cannot swipe beef and so on.

    The fighter against the absurd in me is actually thinking, “bring it on”, and let’s see how ridiculous this thing can become. In my spare time I can envisage bringing all sorts of vexatious cases that will tie the courts up so much they won’t have time to prosecute actual crime, and America will eventually come to see the stupidity of all this.

    • sandollar_man

      Exactly. Creating the “prejudice division” of HHS is just another in a long list of stupid decisions by hypocritical righteous Christians who seek to “not walk among the prostitutes”, to “not walk among the poor”, and to “not walk among the lepers”.
      Just as Jesus commanded.

  • coram nobis

    This Severino fellow looks like he should be playing Augustin Magaldi in an “Evita” revival.

    • CharlestonDave

      Not being as refined as you, coram, I note simply that the rat is rat-faced.

      And mama always said that when you hit 40, you start getting the face you deserve.

      • coram nobis

        EVITA: If these are the people of Buenos Aires, I welcome the chance to shine in their city!
        CHE: (to Magaldi) Do all your one-night stands give you this trouble?

  • RedRider67

    Fuck every last one of them.

  • Mike_Bernard

    According to the HHS website, here is a partial list of health care providers who can now refuse treatment for religious reasons. We gay and lesbian people must fight back!

    • State and local government agencies that are responsible for administering health care • State and local government income assistance and human service agencies • Hospitals • Medicaid and Medicare providers • Physicians and other health care professionals in private practice with patients assisted by Medicaid • Family health centers • Community mental health centers • Alcohol and drug treatment centers • Nursing homes • Foster care homes • Public and private adoption and foster care agencies • Day care centers • Senior citizen centers • Nutrition programs • Any entity established under the Affordable Care Act • Health insurance plans or companies • HMOs • Pharmacies • Homeless shelters • Health researchers

    • Mike_Bernard

      What, are now going to have to call ahead to health providers when traveling to ensure they will treat us in case of an accident?

  • Ann Kah

    So medical professionals must now follow the “Hippocratic suggestion”? I can’t help thinking that god’s really not going to like the idea of letting people die just because you’re too prissy to treat a gay person.

  • Arba Morrow

    The first and most obvious question is will this work for all religions or only for Christians? As an atheist do I now have the right to throw missionaries off my property? How about a “no Christians allowed” sign on my place of business?