FLORIDA: Broward County Bans Ex-Gay Torture

Minutes ago the Broward County Commission voted unanimously to ban ex-gay torture, becoming the 16th and largest Florida municipality thus far to take such a stand.

Other Florida municipalities with bans on the books include Palm Beach County, Boca Raton, Miami, Tampa, Wilton Manors, Key West, and Oakland Park.

Bucking the statewide trend, however, is Miami-Dade County, which rejected a ban late last year.

Nationally, nine states have banned the abusive practice as have numerous cities including Washington DC, Philadelphia, Seattle, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Toledo, Dayton, Columbus, and the Pennsylvania towns of Reading, Allentown, and Doylestown.

In New York state, the insurers are banned from covering ex-gay torture via an executive order issued by Gov. Andrew Cuomo. Last month the New York City Council enacted a series of escalating fines for “therapists” who charge their victims.

  • crewman

    I wonder if Florida state will try to force a state override of this.

  • HZ81

    But torture for new gays will continue as scheduled.


    I’m here all week folks. Tip your servers.

    • Treant

      If you’re male, don’t try the fish.

  • AtticusP

    Let the Christianist tears begin!

    I can practically hear Tony PerKKKins harrumphing from here.

  • JoeMyGod

    You’ll note that Fort Lauderdale, which is in Broward County, is glaringly absent from the list of cities that have made the move on their own.

    • JW Swift

      Still a lot of “old money” in Fort Lauderdale, and it’s also still the home of the infamous Coral Ridge Presbyterian church (even though it’s not up to its former glory under arch-homophobe D. James Kennedy). The conservatives still have quite a stranglehold on city politics.

  • Reality.Bites

    I’m going to be there next week. Any chance of sneaking my boyfriend in before the ban takes effect?

    (God – isn’t that the meanest way to break up with someone – give them a certificate for ex-gay “therapy”)

  • Treant

    Time until Republican Party of Florida says something insensitive: 60…59…

    But until then…

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  • MaryJOGrady

    Good for Broward County, Florida!
    In the mid-70’s, while working for a long-term private psychiatric institution, I got to know a kindly elderly gentleman. He’d been there since he was a teenager because he was gay and effeminate and his wealthy family could not stand the sight of him.
    Soon before I left, gay staffers started taking him out to gay bars. That made him so happy.
    We should never forget how far we have come, and how far we have to go.

    • Tawreos

      It is so sad to hear of his life being wasted because of his family’s fear and stupidity

      • MaryJOGrady

        His situation made me sick. He was such a sweet man. It was heartbreaking. I was so glad when some of the gay staffers started taking him out to the bars.

    • skyweaver

      So sad. The waste. I’m glad he was able to go out and just enjoy himself and hopefully feel he should be celebrated and not ashamed.

    • Broward County (greater Fort Lauderdale including Hollywood and Wilton Manors) is a progressive place. I am surprised it was not banned earlier there. Sexual orientation has been broadly protected against any form of discrimination since 1995 under the Broward County Human Rights Act. The Countywide School District was the first major school district to require gender identity tolerance as a part of its High School curriculum (I have to find the reference but it is one of the things that they are proud of). The population of Broward County is 1.9 million – it is a large place. Here is a brochure on County Wide LGBT protection they publish https://www.broward.org/Intergovernmental/Documents/LGBTRightsBrochure.pdf

      • Reasoning101

        I’ve been a member of the Safe to Be Me Broward Schools LGBT Coalition for a few years now as the ACLU representative to the committee. As the 6th largest school district in the United States (Miami-Dade is #4), Broward County carries a lot of influence and its ever-improving LGBT diversity curriculum has become a model for school districts across the nation. The annual conference for educators and students is held down here. It’s an honor to work with the trailblazers and protectors in this important area of human rights.

    • Ninja0980

      Glad there were people willing to make him smile and be his family.

  • bkmn

    DiFi released the FusionGPS transcript – shows the FBI had a walkin whistleblower from the Trump campaign.


  • GanymedeRenard

    Paging Mr. BillBear for the exquisite musical choice here! Cheers!

    • peacfulseas inWA

      Not quite what Mr. BillBear would have selected but I have my reasons. Hope you enjoy love when these 2 pair up.I melt whenever I hear Jorge’s voice.


      • GanymedeRenard

        Thank you!

  • gaycuckhubby


    Edit… as bkb points out below, this seems to have been a mistake on Simpsons part.

  • Tawreos
    • The_Wretched

      Turtle is beyond risible.

  • Boreal
    • David Walker

      Fine by me. The Truly Religious should be reminded of the well-meant abductions the god-fearing parents paid for to rescue their children from satanic and otherwise evil cults. The weren’t just abductions, they very much re-programming the kids out of wherever they were and back into the safety and protective arms of Jeebus.
      However, of course, that sorta stood a chance of working because religious beliefs are decided upon…a chosen lifestyle, if you will. One does not choose to be gay. But I guess that’s a minor point.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Lazycrockett
    • The_Wretched

      Trump has no idea how legislation works or the State of play on the whole DACA / immigration issue. The republicans are trying to build a grand-package with DACA folded in and massive increases in military spending.

    • David Walker

      I think he’s now out-Palined the half-assed, half-term governor. This isn’t even word salad…no amount of dressing can hide the true ignorance and mental state of this fucking moron.

  • Cuberly Deux

    I almost don’t know how to react when something sane happens. We’ve been inundated with such extremes.

    Kudos to Broward.

    • >’I almost don’t know how to react when something sane happens. We’ve been inundated with such extremes.’

      Too damn true. This blast of good news is incredible.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada
    • GanymedeRenard

      Oh, the list is quite long (Family Research Council tears, Alliance Defending Freedom tears, Liberty Council tears, etc.). It should be a robust cocktail, yum!

    • David Gervais

      To the person who made this ad:
      NOM TEARS are impotent, tiresome, soul sucking

      And it needs the little warning labels “abuse our bigotry responsibly” and “Do not think while using “.

      • GanymedeRenard

        Ha! That, too. Like everything that tastes goooood when you try it the first time and then realize is bad for your health if you consume it in excess.

  • skyweaver

    So weird you can psychologically fuck with someone in a terrible way in one county and in the next county it’s illegal

    • thecdn

      As a Canadian living in the US the American fear of ‘big government’ drives me insane. It leads to a shit load of little governments making conflicting rules. Why should something be legal in one state and not another, let alone from county to county?

      • Reality.Bites

        Americans are so afraid of going to hell that they make one on earth. And they’re so worried about unlikely threats to their supposed freedom that they don’t even notice they have less of it that most people in the western world.

        • skyweaver

          “Americans are so afraid of going to hell that they make one on earth.”
          This, friend. This.

      • my peeve is the fucking blue laws. that are *still* on the books all over the place. you can’t sell liquor here, but you can buy beer. you can sell anything, but only during limited hours. you can sell it, but you’re not allowed to sell it for less than a govt proscribed amount. you can’t sell it if you also sell this other stuff. only Native Americans are allowed to sell it here. etc.

        i have lived in places with one or more of all of those.

      • The_Wretched

        A lot of it is Southern Intransigence that arose from losing the Civil War and then became culturally ingrained. They didn’t like ‘northerners’ telling them to stop owning slaves and anything else that’s normal or decent.

  • gaycuckhubby

    When I came out at seventeen I was taken to a reparative therapist.
    He was dismayed that at 17 I “already had a hardened spirit and was unwilling to work to affect a change to a Jesus approved orientation”
    Despite the fact that I was a virgin and didn’t know a single gay person at the time.

    • Treant

      “A Jesus approved orientation” implies there’s more than one. We’re all aware they mean missionary position, no wiggling, unless you’re a reverend and paying one or more whores of whatever gender to shit on you.

      Also, in my experience, “a hardened spirit” means “you have a lick of sense and see through obvious bullshit.”

      • Todd20036

        I recommend a Priapus approved orientation.

        You’ll need to douche.

        • Treant

          A lot of people say I’m already a douche.

      • gaycuckhubby

        He was a Christian reparative therapist who my parents found through resources at Focus on the Family. His philosophy was that a majority of people who identify as gay can lead completely “normal” heterosexual lives with spouse.
        But there were some people who would never be heterosexual instead he could train them to ignore sexual urges and live a chaste lifestyle
        Thank God I never bought into that

        • Treant

          Instead of chaste you went with chased. I applaud.

    • KCMC

      The wonk my parents found asked me if I wanted to have my cake and eat it too.
      He didn’t even know the innuendo he marched right into.

      • Todd20036

        Pray tell. What EVER are you talking about ?? * bats eyelashes*

        • KCMC

          given more snap at that green age, I should’ve replied,
          “I’d like my cake eaten for starters then…”

    • GanymedeRenard

      I’m sorry to hear that! I hope you’ve healed your emotional wounds by now. Even though I went to an all-boys Catholic school, (believe me, not pleasant at all, despite the popular fantasies), where homosexuality was obviously considered a capital sin, a Hell-bound abominable vice… Even though I went through that, I can only imagine the horrors of being forcibly taken to a “therapist” who would PERSONALLY tell you that your life was essentially evil and broken because of a personal trait that you didn’t choose. Virtual hugs to you!

      • jeffg166

        You went to catholic school. Just as bad.

        • GanymedeRenard

          I guess you’re right. Psychological abuse and bullying. Nothing to envy or to wish for a fellow LGBT person, teen or not.

          • jeffg166

            They went out of their way to warp everyone’s sexuality LGBT or straight.

          • GanymedeRenard

            True. But they’re especially vicious when it comes to LGBT sexuality.

          • Regan DuCasse

            True that. And how many young people, gay or not, have paid for it? Even with their lives?
            That right there, really peeves me alone at that morally corrupted institution known as The Church.

          • Regan DuCasse

            I’ve always hated things being kept from me, for such nefarious reasons as this. Even as a kid, if someone tried to tell me something negative about gay people, I would have come at them with some serious skepticism about WHY.
            I was such a bane to religious people, even when so young. But my folks didn’t believe in keeping things from their kids anyway. We were a black family, dealing with a lot of social upheaval as I was growing up. Race riots, the Civil Rights Movement, Women’s Lib.
            There is a lot less you can keep from a black kid, you can from a white kid.
            And we were smart kids, serious readers (like our folks), and were encouraged to ask questions and get answers whatever it took.
            I would have been furious to be told one thing by the folks, then learn later on my own how WRONG they were, and because of prejudice, not FACTS.
            I would have resented gay people, their needs, who they were and their intentions kept from me.
            So, agents like Focus on the Family, National Org. for Marriage, and so on…took people for granted in the worst way. Counting on stupidity, cowardice and laziness for their aim. While calling it “the truth”.
            That’s why I hate THEM so much, and not gay folks.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Thank you!
        I feel pretty well-adjusted these days, I’m sure it’s still affects me in some subconscious ways i e trusting people with too much insight into my personal life.

        • GanymedeRenard

          Good to know how you’re pretty well-adjusted these days! And something tells me you will successfully cope with those feelings of mistrust. It’s even better that you have a significant other – your hubby – to rely on!

    • Regan DuCasse

      There it is. A person is their sexual orientation whether they have an active sex life or not.
      No credible doctor, psychiatrist or anyone else involved in therapy, would say that sexual repression is healthy.
      But this conversion thing, defies any kind of intelligent LOGIC.
      1. That homosexuality is biologically based is evidenced by the fact that every human culture, every part of human life, has had gender variant, and/or gay people in it. So clearly, nature is more influential than nurture.

      2. Separating pathology, from sexual orientation is a given with heterosexuality, why not homosexuality? It’s only a gender based factor, and all things are equal. Such as the potential to make a contribution, be self reliant and socially compatible. Any credible person who knows human behavioral patterns, would call that a win.

      3. A lid for every pot. Gay folks are attracted to other gay folks. Still a minority, but the point is, that there isn’t ‘unnatural’ attraction going on here. Because the attraction is mutual, and motivated by the same rules of attraction that hets aren’t the least bit challenged on. And homosexuality can be channeled into monogamy, fidelity and responsibility. The only difference is, society hasn’t encouraged gay people to do so, for too long before now.

      The most important factor here, is disconnecting pathology, and morality from homosexuality. Clearly pathology has no exclusivity, nor does morality.
      Since this is gender exclusive though, one would have to keep in mind that gender itself is morally neutral and work from there.
      I’ve been gobsmacked by some pathological stupidity in those that refuse to believe or understand this. It’s not even rocket science.

  • Do Something Nice

    If I can’t torture my ex, I have no reason to live.

    Why can’t we allow gay-ex torture?

    • Tawreos

      That will never be banned, unless what you do to them is covered under existing laws.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Consensual torture, if you will?

        • LeeCMH

          Codependent in old pop psychology.

    • JW Swift

      If your ex isn’t a minor, then the law doesn’t apply. (For that matter, if you’re not a licensed therapist, then it doesn’t apply either, along with probably several other qualifiers…)

  • The_Wretched

    All good. Should be a national ban but incremental steps are still good.

    • David Walker

      Incremental steps got us marriage equality. County by county, though, is even more incremental. And all because of peoples’ need to think their religion is perfection and we all need to live it. Well, fuck them. Perhaps some day they’ll discover that the more they try to pull their shit, the less people will give them any credibility. Until then, however,…

  • I always thought that if any Democrat had the stature to bring down Trump it would be Feinstein. She is ranking Democratic Member on the Intelligence Committee & the Judiciary Committee. She has more access to information than any other Democrat in the Senate right now, and knows exactly what is permissible for release and what is not. The most important thing is that she is tough-as-nails and respected by centrist Republicans — and no once can accuse of operating in anyone’s interests but the United States. If anyone does not like what she has done, run against her in 2018 on her left or right. She could not care less.

  • JWC

    slowly they are coming along

  • Should be banned in every country in every single area of the U.S., of course, but this is still fantastic news.

  • that’s wonderful. i’m betting they got a nice nudge from a very wealthy, prominent queer who reminded them how much FL depends on *gay* tourism money, as well as the rest.

    • GanymedeRenard

      Sad, but true. Anyway, the good outcome is what matters.

  • mikeinftl

    Yay! Good for Broward, my city Oakland Park banned it also!

  • David Walker

    Speaking of gay torture…Remember the Chechen gay men who were abducted, beaten, jailed, and a few killed last year? 106 of them have found homes in 6 new, non-Russian countries thanks to an LGBTQ network. Novaya Gazeta, the Russian paper that broke the story last year, has interviewed many of the gay men who have found sanctuary in a new homeland and this is a link. You will probably get the original Russian version, but Google and other web services offer translation services.

  • Hank

    My, My, My, where am I going to go to get A STRAIGHT????

  • Robincho

    Yet another place where Ladybird can’t hang out her warped shingle. Sweet…

  • Ninja0980

    This is torture and nothing more.

  • MBI

    Is this for minors only or for adults as well?

  • Mike Rasor

    Just a small nitpick. Broward County is a county. It is not a municipality. It’s an important distinction because Broward contains 31 municipalities.

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  • Regan DuCasse

    This is taking too damn long. We lost a lot of people to the Plague years, before they saw marriage equality realized.
    How many of us wondered if we’d ever see that day?
    Anything ex gay, or conversion intensive or whatever other snake oil some a-hole would employ to dupe people into thinking conversion is even a thing…it needed to be banned decades ago!
    And I really don’t want to see any more gay youth lost to such a barbaric, dangerous and potential sucking practice!