White House Insiders Fear We’ll Blunder Into War

Axios reports:

President Trump’s boast last night that he has a “bigger & more powerful” Nuclear Button (caps, Trump’s) than North Korea has some administration insiders worried that we could blunder into war.

What they’re saying: “Every war in history was an accident,” said one administration insider. “You just don’t know what’s going to send him over the edge.”

The “him” was Trump, but could also refer to North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, who started the “nuclear button” exchange with a New Year’s Day speech on Monday in which he said: “The U.S. should know that the button for nuclear weapons is on my table” (desk).

  • Mark Née Fuzz

    Ah…ah…25th amendment…choo

  • zhera

    Every war in history was an accident? Is this the level of education and understanding to be found in the WH administration?

    Oh, right. It IS.

    • Gustav2

      No, Hitler tripped into Sudetenland! And Poland, too!

      • Tawreos

        Don’t forget that Japan took a wrong turn and accidentally dropped all of those bombs on Pearl Harbor.

        • Gustav2

          They were running out of fuel, they got lost looking for a gas station and had to lighten the load!

    • Rambie

      True, but are we going to also ignore the, “…but could also refer to North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, who started the “nuclear button” exchange…”

      I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by their finger pointing by now

      • Gustav2

        Never Trump’s fault.

      • Chucktech

        “But HE started it…”

        • David Walker

          Make him stop touching me! Mom! He’s still poking me!

          • Xaca

            “Now he’s LOOKING at me.”

        • Rambie

          If only we’d been warned by someone that Trump could easily be taunted on Twitter…

  • JaniceInToronto

    So Trump and Un are playing the “my dick is bigger” game, and the world will have to live with the consequences of two small boys playing grownup.

    Maybe I should have said the world will have to live with the fallout. More accurate.

  • Bambino

    What baffles me is the wall streets who financially back this administration can’t be okay with market instability caused by the fucking moron.Why have they not boxed this idiot and send him his way to insane asylum?

    • Tawreos

      Because he is giving them money in other ways

      • Bambino

        A nuclear war will erase quite a few zeroes from their investment.

        • David Walker

          Ahhhh, but until then……!!!!

    • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

      Well the insurance companies said that 75% of rate increases are due to ‘instability’. But in the meanwhile, they are collecting this very increased rates which is making profits soar and making Wall Street happy.

    • safari

      Rule of Acquisition 34: War is good for business

      • Fifth-and-a-Half Element

        Or the 69th Rule: “”Ferengi are not responsible for the stupidity of other races.”

      • Bunter

        This is what is behind all this.

    • zhera

      The people who make the BIG bucks won’t lose much when the market crashes, only the little people. Banks are bailed out, billionaires have their Cayman bank accounts. They can easily survive a little crash or two, after making insane amounts of money as the bubble expands.

      • Bambino

        The disruption of economy flow due to war is costly to everyone especially the wealthy.

        • zhera

          Really? You think the Koch brothers care if there’s a war? They make money no matter what. War is very profitable for those who are willing to invest in it.

          • Bambino

            When basic supplies are being disrupted, they can’t dine on digital money. It’s worthless.

          • zhera

            These are the rich people, Bambino. they’ll never run out of things to eat.

            Besides, any war that may come won’t make it to the US territory, except maybe Guam and Hawaii.
            Did you run out of supplies in the US during the Iraq invasion?

          • Bambino

            Regardless if it’s millions, multi millions, billions or multi billions, at some point it’s meaningless when there is no agriculture left to provide basic sustenance or clean water to drink or fresh air to breath. The survivors will scavenge their own food sources in the post apocalyptic world.

          • David Walker

            Hence, the fallout shelters in New Zealand.

          • OdieDenCO

            no profit if all your customers are radioactive dust

          • zhera

            It won’t be a nuclear war. I think that’s where the military (and maybe others) will finally say ‘no’, and take care of Donnie themselves.

          • OdieDenCO

            that would depend on how a conventional war went. if we invade NK, kim will fire the nukes. what he hits and what follows is anybody’s guess.

          • Bluto

            My bet is Seoul takes the brunt. Surely the South Koreans are thrilled to be in the middle of 2 insane regimes having a cock fight.

          • David Walker

            I think (hope) you’re right, but there’s more to this craziness than the fucking moron. There’s the guy with the white walls haircut. Ain’t nobody tellin’ HIM what to do.

            I do absolutely agree on the profitability of war. We simply have to look back a decade to understand who rewarding it was to be a friend of Cheney. The multi-medal-winning general Eisenhower, elected president because of his multi-medals, warned of the military/industrial complex. Everyone assumed he was just an old war hero biting the hand the fed him. And then came Vietnam. The rich get richer and the poor get babies.

          • geoffalnutt

            I take it the rich folk have invested in heavily fortified fallout shelters, too. Otherwise it was “all in vain fer nothing'”

    • james1200

      Well, Bannon did just call the actions of Don Jr. ‘Treasonous’ so maybe the Mercers and our other Oligarchs, having received their massive tax cut, are done with the Dotard and are prepping Bannon himself for bigger things.

    • Leo

      Our market’s not unstable right now – those making off with the Treasury’s coffers will be able to take the precautions ahead of time when the repercussions do hit – those getting hurt the most don’t have the resources to see what’s coming and will get hit even harder.

      Example #1 is the New Yorker article from a while ago describing billionaires buying nuclear fallout shelters in New Zealand.

      • Bambino

        What is the point of having billions to end up living in a nuclear fall out shelters? No more high society networking to show off their wealth but trying to survive in a fuck up world? Not like we have the technology to contain climate change, pollution or a nuclear fall out.

        • David Walker

          I’m not trying for snark on this one. I honestly believe that they haven’t thought that far ahead. We’ve constantly seen the mega-rich try to get more and more money because that will protect them from anything. I often use the line, “He who dies with the most toys wins. Nevertheless, he’s still dead.” I do believe “there will be no future” has not occurred to them, except to the extent, maybe, of the fallout shelters in New Zealand. The questions you ask are questions that those of us who live in the real world are concerned about. They, on the other hand, can’t imagine not having din-din in an opulent dining room served by the help. The future to anyone on Wall Street is pretty much the next quarter, maybe a half year projection.

          • Bambino

            Essentially a dinosaur mentality. They will consumed until starvation sets in when there is nothing left on this planet.

    • clay

      Because they, and their markets, think Donny won’t do it, and that everybody else will back down.

  • another_steve

    If the orange monster has to choose between firing Mueller or initiating a war to distract attention away from Mueller’s investigation, he might very well choose the latter.

    • Bambino

      The coward always choose the easy target.

    • David Walker

      More people will notice.

      • another_steve

        I think war would fit right into Trump’s evil plans. He and his party would say, “In the interest of national defense during this time of great peril, we can’t allow ourselves to be distracted by a partisan investigation/witch hunt that is purely a creation of the Democrats. It must stop.”

        Trump’s deplorables would eat it up. They’re keeping him in power and they’re the only people he’s interested in.

        • David Walker

          They need to understand that the outhouse isn’t a fallout shelter.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Too cold to take to the streets.

  • yes b’y

    Maybe it’s time for the US to get rid of it’s nukes.

    • Tomcat

      Nukes are also a deterrent to others not to attack us.

      • clay

        Our massive conventional military is a bigger deterrent,
        though neither works on suicidal men.

    • Friday

      Unfortunately, the authoritarians have been making sure it really *isn’t* the time. They’re the ones who have to go.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      The world

    • Tomcat

      Get rid of our nukes and I can assure you others will be more than willing to give us some more the hard way.

    • Natty Enquirer

      Sure, and formalize our status as the 86th subject of the Russian Federation.

  • Friday

    He’s obviously incompetent and malicious and compromised, and a clear and present danger, and it didn’t take this bit of childish posturing to see it. 25th Amendment time.

    • David Walker

      It will have to wait until after the end of the month, though. That’s according to the booze hound in the previous story.

      • Jonathan Smith

        unfortunately, the wont do a thing unless/until he orders a nuclear strike. by then, shall it be too late?
        2.5 million DEAD, but dRumph has been 25th?

  • vorpal

    I don’t think “blunder” is the right word for it.
    Our Commander in Cluelessness has Donned his orange war paint and is eagerly charging headfirst into it.

    He so desperately wants to be a hero.

    • pj

      he wants to change the discussion

    • Chucktech

      I did, too, when I was 8 years old. That’s why it’s time for Kelly, McMaster and Mattis to spank him and put him to bed without supper.

    • boatboy_srq

      His target list seems to be growing, too: DPRK, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan,…. It’s like the Tom Lehrer song: who’s next?

      • David Walker

        “Oh, we’ll all go together when we go.”

    • JAKvirginia

      Oops. Can’t push the “nuclear button”! Finger-bone spurs.

  • bkmn

    How about saying so VERY publicly then?

  • eddiebeskeddie

    The war wont be an accident as long as we have this fucktard in the white house.

  • The_Wretched

    I don’t think McConnell cares about a nuclear war or flatly believes (wrongly) that it wouldn’t happen. Until and unless he (or his ultra-elite puppet masters) are personally scared, we will not see movement on reducing this risk to our country and the world.

    Leaking to the public on the side is not enough.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Time for the GOP to stop saying they are ” troubled & concerned ” and fucking DO their jobs.
    Seriously, they act as if they don’t even consider their employers – US !

    • MBear

      The sheep do not employ the restaurant-goers

    • Tomcat

      Could be because they believe their employers are the rich corporations.

      • David Walker

        It would seem that the rich corporations can buy elections, so what the fuck?

      • Frostbite

        Wonder who all these rich corporations are going to sell their wares to when we’re all f’ing dead from a nuclear war!

        • BearEyes

          Anything beyond 30 day numbers don’t matter

          • Frostbite

            Guess I’ve got a month to spend all my money, we won’t be around after that!

    • Chucktech

      Seriously, they act as if they don’t even consider their employers – US !

      Oh, sweetie, how quaint.

      But since Congress has done their masters’ prime, number one bidding of the tax giveaway they certainly are now… “unconstrained” (or, at least less so) and can possibly begin to think about the good of the country. Maybe.

      • David Walker

        From your keyboard to FSM’s audio intake devices.

      • The Milkman

        But probably not.

  • Gustav2

    What dumbass says, “Every war in history was an accident.”

    No, read a fucking history book.

    • safari

      Gotta gaslight early when it comes to blundering into a nuclear holocaust

    • KnownDonorDad

      Gavrilo Princip just accidentally assassinated Franz Ferdinand, after all.

      • Chucktech

        “Goddammit… Sorry, Ferd, it just slipped…”

        • KnownDonorDad

          “Ah! Slipped again! Sorry, Mrs. F.”

      • Judas Peckerwood

        Just as Hitler accidentally invaded Poland.

    • Chanel5

      The dumbass would be Betsy DeVos.

    • Bunter

      I agree that this is a weird comment, but what they probably meant was that there are so *many* situations in history when war could have broken out but didn’t. And that when it actually happens, it feels like an accident.

      Also, I have read this comment before in a 1933 book and that freakes me out a little.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    To get your mind off of our horrible reality, MGMHD channel has been running cheesy 80’s movies for hours now. R.O.T.O.R., Troll, and now Alienator. Movies so bad they’re awesome!

  • djcoastermark

    O/T but I needed a little break from everything, and lo and behold, Hubs put on, much to my surprise, “Live From Abbey Road” This episode features some of my faves. Randy Crawford, Joe Sample, David Gilmore. What a good way to spend the morn. Good music, a mimosa, and a attentive hubby on this raw day. Here’s a sample. https://vimeo.com/116804752

  • Slippy_World
    • Friday

      Kind of ironic, cause fictional President Bartlet really helped me get through the Dubya years. 🙂

  • geoffalnutt

    “We’ll”????????

  • boobert

    Good mourning all. I didn’t think we’d wake up today. Did the nukes start yet, or are they waiting till prime time ?

    • safari

      When is the Olympics?

      • JAKvirginia

        February. Check your local listings.

    • KarenAtFOH

      I had a nightmare last night, where I stepped out of the house and was vaporized in a blinding white blast. I turned into a ray of light and spent hours jumping from one place to another in little jagged straight lines…

  • Smokey

    Even though we knew he was crazed others thought:
    1. He’d pivot to being presidential.
    2. Ivanka would be a moderating influence.
    3. He’d surround himself with the “best” people.
    4. The GOP would limit what he could do.
    5. But her emails!
    And none of that turned out to be true.

  • Harveyrabbit

    “You just don’t know what’s going to send him over the edge.”

    A warm Diet Coke?

    • Jonathan Smith

      cold McDonalds?

    • David Walker

      Ivanka saying, “Not tonight, daddy. I have a headache”?

    • Bluto

      Not enough pickles on his big mac?

    • JAKvirginia

      One scoop, not two?

    • JohnJay

      Out of Micky-D’s hot apple pie?

  • Jonathan Smith

    He’s going to kill millions to prove that his are Bigger and better.

    • Karl Dubhe 2

      Nuclear war? Hundreds of millions, if not billions…

  • Friday

    Does “standing around in denial hoping to get more looting accomplished in the furor” really count as ‘blundering?’

  • Rex

    The GOP is about as useful as thoughts and prayers.

  • The Milkman

    And because almost half of Americans are gullible, foolish, racist/homophobic/xenophobic true believers incapable of critical thinking, we will do nothing… absolutely nothing… to stop it.

  • Ninja0980

    “Every war in history was an accident.”
    Clearly there are idiots who need to crack open history books.

    • David Walker

      You mean read? Well, maybe, if there are lots of gory pictures and not too many words. Even then, Secretary DeVos might have something to say about that.

  • JaniceInToronto

    Seriously, you have to find a way to get rid of the psycho president.
    He is dangerous, and more than a bit insane.

  • Xaca

    The United States’ ability to use nuclear weapons is actually compromised, which makes a first-strike by North Korea more likely. The North Koreans know that both the U.S. military and the U.S. Congress will be more deliberative about allowing the use of nuclear weapons than they would with a normal, fully sentient, non-cognitively disordered person occupying the Oval Office.

    “Girl, you in danger.”

    • matrem

      Kim isn’t suicidal. If he were to launch nukes, it would be over for him. Trump on the otherhand cannot comprehend the consequences of nuclear war.

      • KarenAtFOH

        He knows China will not back him if he strikes first. He will goad trump into striking first to keep China on his side.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada
    • David Walker

      Would that be comparing centimeters to inches?

      • Karl Dubhe 2

        Nanometers to miles.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        Centimeters…inches would be for too generous.

  • paganguy

    And yet not one of them is willing to tell the naked Emperor to shut up and go put on some pants.

  • JAKvirginia

    So, millions might die because of these guys dishing each other’s dicks? The world is so fucked.

  • Pip

    Don’t you just love when guys fight over who has the bigger button? I mean, at least he admits that it’s a “button”.

  • Jamie Brewer

    This was a frightening read when it first came out in the summer of 2016. Today it is terrifying.
    https://medium.com/@tswriting/history-tells-us-what-will-happen-next-with-brexit-trump-a3fefd154714#.ibsm7hyxw

  • Mike

    “Blunder” into war? It looks fairly deliberate to me—one in North Korea, and one in Iran, to go with the legacy fake “war” in Afghanistan. Are we still pretending to be at war with Iraq too? Then add Iraq to the list. Donnie, the 4-war preznit. What a huuge member he must have.

  • JWC

    Its time these 2 children were given a major time out by whatever amounts to the adults in their respective cases. They are both idiot and each has to have the last word

  • Gene Perry
    • FelineMama

      This is good, Gene. Did you do it? Drumph’s Missile is WAY too LONG. Hands Right On!

  • pch1013

    Boy, we sure dodged a bullet when we decided not to elect that horrible war-monger Hillary.

  • BobSF_94117

    Every war in history was most certainly not an accident. Dolts.

    • coram nobis

      July 1914 was a good example of bad decisions and unexpected consequences, and perhaps the USS Maine was accidental.

  • coram nobis

    The Economist had a scenario for how a war in Korea would play out, and it was scary.

    https://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21725763-everyone-would-lose-how-nuclear-war-korea-could-start-and-how-it-might-end

  • Halou

    The ideal response to King Kim’s whinge would be to say “That’s nice dear…” and move on to more important matters, because comparatively speaking even a nuclear armed NoKo is kind of irrelevant.
    Trump’s unending fixation with and odd but constant reluctance to follow through on threatening war against NoKo every time Putin calls him up betrays his own pettiness, his insecurity and his jealousy of Kim’s regime, that the obese dictator can say these things, get away with it, and have people adore rather than oppose him for saying it. Trump desperately wants to be Kim Jong Un.

    So sad that Vladimir Putin is the person who saves the world every few months.

    Edit: It is the same with Iran. Trump only cares about that country firstly because something something Obama, but also because he sees a real dictator whose personal wealth and their national GDP are one and the same, he sees a real dictator who can have people killed and arrested by the hundreds with nothing more than a silent nod.

  • canoebum

    Is there no one in the Cabinet with enough courage to start the 25th Amendment process?

  • sfmike64

    Anyone who thinks that “every war” was an accident is stupid, misinformed, and needs to study history. That’s one of the most ludicrous things I’ve ever read.

    Not a surprise coming from the Trumpies, where reading books is considered a bad thing.

  • Kendall

    Uh, they’re not the only ones worried “we” will blunder into war. . . . :-/