Streaming Progressive News Service To Launch

Axios reports:

David Bohrman, former Current TV President and former CNN Washington bureau chief and chief innovation officer at CNN Worldwide, is launching a new over-the-top (OTT) video service that will cater to progressive Americans, called the Political Voices Network (PVN).

Why it matters: Bohrman argues there has been a vacancy of progressive voices in the video space compared to the right. On the “left” he sees only The Young Turks as being a viable competitor, compared to many more consumer options for video streaming on the right, like Glenn Beck’s The Blaze, One American News Network (OANN), Newsmax, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin’s CRTV, and more.

The network will offer both advertiser-supported and paid subscription content. (Tipped by JMG reader BK)

  • safari

    I listen to podcasts. I find them more digestible.

    • Treant

      I tend to prefer the written word. It’s funny how everybody differs in what they like!

      • AmeriCanadian

        Agreed. I can generally read much faster than most people can talk.

        • FAEN

          Good skill to have.

    • FAEN

      I listen to a few myself. What are your favorites?

  • shellback

    pffft. Who needs that? We have JMG.

    • DaddyRay

      wouldn’t it be great if Joe joined the news service

      • shellback

        Yes. Yes it would.

      • Gustav2

        Then Shelly would need a full time cat wrangler.

        • band

          R.I.P. Shelly

        • 2guysnamedjoe

          She could sit on her windowsill and do the weather reports.

          • Gustav2

            And finally pay her own keep!

    • Westcoast88

      And all of the intelligent discussions in the comments section.

  • bkmn

    Its about time.

    Note – Joe, I didn’t give you that tip, if you got an email from me, let me know so I can run AV and maleware checks.

    • DaddyRay

      So I should disregard all of these naked photos you sent me

      • bkmn

        As you wish…

        • DaddyRay

          I am not sure if they are of you – if you send me naked photos I will compare them and let you know 🙂

          • Joe in PA

            Work it Daddy, work it. 🙂

          • DaddyRay

            Have to find ways to keep myself entertained while I am out on a sick day

          • Joe in PA

            Awwww…hope you get well soon. Or is this a “mental health” sick day? 🙂

          • DaddyRay

            bad cold

          • fuow

            Get well, soon. We had a nasty one slime it’s way slowly through our county. No deaths but a nearly 100% infection rate, which is very unusual. Lingers, too. Get lots of rest.

      • Joe in PA

        Never disregard naked photos. That’s my motto. 🙂

  • PlutoAnimus

    “Welcome to Liberal Radio! We will not hesitate to criticize Christians who violate the rights of others. Muslims, on the other hand, will be given a pass and never held accountable for their actions, no matter how many innocents die. Because we believe in fairness! Oh, and Al Franken got exactly what he deserved.”

    • safari

      And. Block.

      • PlutoAnimus

        Run away faster, little rabbit.

        Of course, you could have provided an example of how I am wrong.

        But as you cannot refute me with the facts, you flee.

        How pathetic.

        I could not have asked for a more perfect example of Liberal closed-mindedness. I’ll miss you, safari!

        • M Jackson

          Glenn Greenwald. BFD.
          Your estimation of your own importance is wildly exaggerated. Your use of empty spacing embodies your intelligence. But hey, every village has its idiots. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5ff4447a80ff77a5c3c083cee4400b70be285ebf6cd3b03c3cd33da2bc1d24ba.gif

          • PlutoAnimus

            Another insult from someone who refuses to communicate like a mature adult.

            I could name a lot of other Liberals who think like Greenwald, but you would no doubt dismiss them as well, so as to avoid having to address my points.

            And you could have mentioned one –one– instance of Liberals holding Muslim terrorists accountable for their actions.

            As you couldn’t, you didn’t.

          • The_Wretched

            We didn’t consent to supply you with “yes, daddy”.

          • customartist

            He should have issued out a script

          • PlutoAnimus

            Say what you want, it’s a free country.

            I would never put words in my opponent’s mouths.

          • PlutoAnimus

            Cogency is not your strong suit.

          • The_Wretched

            Says the guy displaying his ignorance.

          • jimbo65

            He comes across as a bossy bottom doesn’t he?

          • FAEN

            Not that there’s anything wrong with bossy bottoms or tops 😉

          • customartist

            Should we put our responses in complete quotes by supposed Conservatives??

          • PlutoAnimus

            I repeat:

            And you could have mentioned one –one– instance of Liberals holding Muslim terrorists accountable for their actions.

          • customartist

            You’ve repeated “Good day” a number of times too.
            just sayin’

          • PlutoAnimus

            Sorry, been responding to comments from many people!

            Maybe we shall exchange ideas in the future. In any case, have a Happy New Year!

        • customartist

          You are wrong on the percentages.
          please stop commenting upon that which you are so sorely informed, m’kay?

      • Treant

        Yep, life’s too short, and I can’t fix logical errors generated by clearly stupid people anyway.

        • PlutoAnimus

          Instead of providing an example of Liberals holding Muslim terrorists accountable for their actions, you instead offer an ad hominem.

          You insult me like a child.

          I am the adult in the room, and I am waiting for an adult to respond to me in a mature, adult, non-cowardly way.

          Very disappointed that no one in the Joe My God crowd is able to rise to the task. I thought you were smarter people than that.

          • Clive Johnson

            First, liberal isn’t capitalized.

            Second, you’re making a positive claim that liberals as a group (how is this group to be defined exactly? Who speaks for liberalism? What criteria are you using?) don’t hold “Muslim terrorists accountable.” Since you’re making the claim, you have to provide evidence for it. Where is it? Do you even realize what you’re trying to do here? It’s one thing to make wild general accusations, which is commonplace online. It’s another altogether to substantiate a general claim in a serious way. It should go without saying that you haven’t done this.

          • PlutoAnimus

            This discussion is within the context of Liberal media, Grammar Nazi.

            The Liberal media tend to agree with each other, just like Conservative media do. A kind of ‘party line’ emerges that represents what can be called Media Liberalism. It does not represent all Liberals, of course, but it tends to adhere to certain unspoken standards.

            One of these standards is that religious motivations for terrorist acts committed by Muslims must be minimized, or better yet, completely unacknowledged. Other possible motives are offered without hesitation or logical backing.

            Can you give me an example Liberal media failing to follow this model?

            Of course you can’t! That’s because I’m right.

          • Dazzer

            You only capitalise Liberal if you are referring to a member of the Liberal Party (and even if you are, you ought to specify the Liberal Party of which country – the various parties that take that name tend to vary wildly in their policies).

          • PlutoAnimus

            That’s all you have to add to the discussion?

            Go to 7-11 and buy yourself a life.

          • Dazzer

            I introduced a fact. You have managed to avoid providing facts in your posts, so I thought you might need one.

          • PlutoAnimus

            Ah, so you have no facts to offer that refute my thesis?

            I accept your concession of defeat.

          • Dazzer

            You need to put forward a more fleshed-out thesis. And some facts.

            In fact, you appear to be incredibly needy all round in this discussion. If you can’t accept a simple grammatical fact, you’re doing a pretty piss-poor job of trolling.

            The best trolling is done when a person is capable of moving the discussion onwards. You’re not doing that.

            Might I suggest you practice trolling elsewhere and come back here when you’re a bit better at it.

            We’re happy to entertain trolls here – but we like them to have reached a fairly advanced standard.

          • fuow

            OK, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt after the ‘I am the adult in the room . The ‘That’s because I’m right’, however, did it.
            Blocked.

          • PlutoAnimus

            You could have totally put me in my place with some real facts…..

            But for some reason you ran away.

          • Clive Johnson

            “Can you give me an example Liberal media failing to follow this model?”

            Why should anyone agree with your premise? You have the burden of proof to demonstrate that this is indeed the case.

          • PlutoAnimus

            You could have typed a single example of how I’m wrong in the time it took to type your dismissive remark.

            Quit stalling.

          • Clive Johnson

            Understand how you’re coming across. You first make a generalized assertion that no one is obligated to accept, and then you demand that others do your homework for you.

          • The_Wretched

            “I am the adult in the room”

            You’d like to think so. Like Christine O’Donnel’s “I’m not a witch”, even bringing it up makes the reader doubt your assertions.

          • PlutoAnimus

            The one who insults is behaving like a child.

            I insulted no one.

            When I am barraged with insults, and I respond with maturity and restraint, it is in no way arrogant or insulting to describe myself as the ‘adult in the room’.

            It is merely a statement of fact.

          • The_Wretched

            ” I respond with maturity and restraint”

            Sure Jan. You know that self serving statements are not compelling?

          • customartist

            Excuse me?
            You offer up snark and then expect “adult” responses? LOL. GMAB.
            Typical, standard, garden variety Conservative.
            Learning = Kryptonite.

          • PlutoAnimus

            If any comment in this thread bears maturity, please draw it to my attention.

            Conservative? Hilarious. Look at my comment history.

            I’m more left wing than most people you will ever meet. I just believe in accountability.

    • Clive Johnson

      This is a childish stereotype.

      • PlutoAnimus

        Glenn Greenwald and other Liberals have consistently held that Muslim terrorists are acting out of mere victimhood.

        That’s not a stereotype. That’s a fact.

        • Clive Johnson

          There’s an argument to be made for blowback against American military aggression and blunders in the Middle East. You attack people, they tend not to sit still for it. And it doesn’t matter if they’re Muslim or rural folks or Buddhists or an ethnic minority. The use of violence invites yet more violence.

          However…this is a different statement than you making the unsupportable general claim that Muslims as a whole go without liberal criticism, the underlying assumption being that liberals have a double-standard or secretly favor Islam (a popular idiotic right-wing belief).

          To justify your more general claim you’d have to survey a much wider swatch of liberals and lefties writing on Islam and then, using presumably a comparative methodology looking at very similar cases of Muslims alongside other religious confessions, find a systematic bias. Something tells me you haven’t done this.

          And, you’d also have to demonstrate that Greenwald somehow grows quiet in the face of Islamic extremism, not just that he has made the utterly understandable claim that this or that action, incidentally carried out by Muslims, might be understandable in a broader context of Middle Eastern violence.

          • PlutoAnimus

            One example.

            I ask for only one example of someone in the Liberal media saying something like:

            “Their religious beliefs provided the motivation for their killing.”

            That’s it! That’s all I’m looking for. Why can no one find it?

          • Clive Johnson

            1. It’s not clear that you know what you’re trying to say. You make one comment originally, “Muslims, on the other hand, will be given a pass and never held accountable for their actions…” This would imply that liberals in general for some reason don’t believe in personal accountability or culpability when it comes to Islam. But this is ridiculous on its face. The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that there is this moral oddity at work in liberal thought. I’ve never seen it myself, and I’m certain it doesn’t exist.

            2. Then in your above comment you change the meaning of your criticism to the specific claim that liberals refuse to hold Muslims responsible when violence committed by Muslims is–and here you avoid a necessarily qualification–mostly? only? attributable to their religious beliefs.

            We’ll take for the sake of argument that you mean Muslim religious belief is the ONLY motivation for a particular act of violence.

            But here is where the conservative typically stops thinking. How do we understand any particular human behavior? It’s necessarily the case that behavior is conditioned by a multiplicity of factors, with religious belief being only one of them. Why does one person commit an act of terrorism (and how do we define that in any usefully accurate way) and another not? How does one tell when religious belief plays a primary role? What if those justifying acts of violence in the name of religion share other characteristics–certain psychological traits, say–that other Muslims do not have? How meaningful is it to say then that Islam was the “cause”? How do we understand causation in these cases?

            These are far from academic questions, and indeed are the questions you MUST ask if you’re being serious about getting at a meaningful explanation for behavior.

            I think it’s safe to assume that this isn’t why you’re here.

          • PlutoAnimus

            I had a fascinating argument on RawStory a while back.

            Two Muslims got themselves killed by police in Texas when they arrived at a Draw Muhammad Contest and promptly tried to murder a security guard (and presumably everyone inside the building). A ‘liberal’ woman posted, “That’s what you get when you wave a flag in front of a bull!”

            I responded, “You just compared Muslims to beasts of burden. Caught you being racist!”

            She was furious. Yet she was the one holding the Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations.

            I expect everybody to act civilized, not just Christians.

            That makes me a bad guy?

            I expect people to be called out for the religious motivations of their terrorist acts.

            That makes me a bad guy?

          • Clive Johnson

            Okay, but you haven’t addressed my points.

            If you ever notice hesitation on the part of liberals or lefties to say what you want them to say about Islam, then this is likely because of two things.

            1) Liberals tend to insist on the use of reason and resist crude characterizations. Reality is complex and the heat of political passion artificially simplifies it both in concept and language.

            2) It’s built into the educated liberal and leftist (although for the leftist this is a prime and more urgent concern) that a large part of human history can be seen as an ongoing narrative of domination and violence by one group over another. The 20th century contains plenty of horrific examples to draw from. It’s therefore impossible to imagine that if you’re sensitive to how violence and genocide get started that you not pay attention to all the little details of language that accompany acts of violence. So, what I’m getting at is this: If you see undo caution on the part of liberals in characterizing certain acts of violence, it reflects, in addition to the rational temperament, an acute sensitivity to the conditions of violence–the scapegoating, the verbal violence, the expressions of bigotry, the simplifying violence done to language to characterize a group. It reflects the impulse to stop the passionate mob before it gets started.

          • PlutoAnimus

            I think it’s a lot simpler than that.

            Racist, right wing assholes hate Muslims both because of racial animus and religious hatred (as they’re 95% Christians).

            Liberals want to avoid giving their hatred ammunition. No Liberal wants their Tweet retweeted by a famous Nazi, for example.

            So they refrain from any sort of, well, anything at all that might draw attention to a terrorist’s Islamic beliefs.

            This is a well-intentioned form of dishonesty.

            My best friend’s father was killed in the 1983 Beirut Embassy bombing. A man thought he was going to heaven when he drove that truck full of explosives into the front wall.

            When such things happen, it is utterly imperative upon us all to acknowledge why. And the why is the belief in martyrdom.

          • Clive Johnson

            “Racist, right wing assholes hate Muslims both because of racial animus and religious hatred…”

            You’re ignoring the thrust of my point. What you’re doing here is isolating out of the sea of potential contributing factors what you believe to be “causes.” I might even find myself agreeing, in a shorthand way, that these are causes. What my point is, is that racism and religious are situated in contexts (time, place, culture, brain development, education, IQ, life circumstance, broader economic patterns of freedom or domination, etc., etc.) that have to be taken into account in order to understand what is going on. If “racism” is you “explanation,” then this doesn’t allow you to understand why racism varies over time.

            “So they refrain from any sort of, well, anything at all that might draw attention to a terrorist’s Islamic beliefs.”

            Where do you get this view? I see religious criticism all the time on atheist websites. But, as someone else pointed out already, the reason you don’t see this as often in the US is for the simple reason that Muslims are a tiny minority of the population. Right-wing terrorists are clearly committing more acts of violence and overall represent more of a threat in the US than Muslims do. Right-wing Christians are, without any question whatsoever, more of a threat to basic rights in this country than Muslims.

            I’m sorry to hear to hear about the loss of your best friend’s father. Hell, I’ll be happy to join you in fighting religious extremism, but let’s first get serious about the casual complexities of things.

          • PlutoAnimus

            Atheist websites, yes.
            Mainstream liberal media? Heavens, no!

            Like I said in a comment above, go to the Guardian website when a terrorist attack happens in the U.K.

            This otherwise responsible news source will scrupulously fail to mention anything that may indicate the terrorist was a Muslim.

            Try it! They really do that. That’s bad, dishonest, irresponsible journalism.

          • customartist

            OK, acknowledge a similar failure on the Right? __________

          • PlutoAnimus

            Hmm?

            If you’re saying the Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood’s motivation to ‘save the babies’ was conveniently unmentioned in the right wing media, I wouldn’t be surprised if that were true.

            But how often is that that case? How often does a Christian kill on behalf of their God? Lots of mass shooting in the U.S.; the few that have religious motivation are only rarely committed by Christians, but quite often by Muslims.

            If a terrorist act has a religious motivation, that motivation should be stressed in media coverage — no matter the religion.

            Give religions equal treatment in media coverage. No self- censorship, please.

          • customartist

            Here is a precise point where you are wrong, whether intentional or by lack of information.

            MOST, meaning a Majority of USA mass shootings were, in fact [a key word here!] committed by Domestic Christians.

            If law enforcement does not care to keep up with the religious designations of domestic killers, then this too is a flaw in our willingness to acknowledge reality.

          • PlutoAnimus

            This is not a question of religious affiliation, but of motivation.

            I don’t see why that’s so hard to understand.

          • Clive Johnson

            Individual Christians don’t kill others at high rates on the self-declared basis of their faith. However, they do in high numbers–and the more conservative the higher the number usually is–support mass violence through war in America’s needless military adventures.

            When you lack power you engage in acts of “terrorism.” Are some of these mindless acts with religious mania being a significant cause? Sure.

            When you have monopoly of power you engage in terrorism with your military machine.

          • customartist

            BTW – The Colorado shooter was a Rightey-Tightey.
            Wanna claim he was not “Christian”? lol

          • PlutoAnimus

            Um, no.

            Do you want to claim he killed in order to get into heaven?

            Because if you’re not, you got nothin’.

          • customartist

            Oh the mo-tiv-A-tion matters?

            Christians factually justify their actions, even killing gays, by pointing toward the Bible.

          • PlutoAnimus

            Um, yeah. That’s my whole point.

          • customartist

            I have appreciated some of your points today.
            Have a nice day.

          • M Jackson
          • PlutoAnimus

            Thanks for the links! It’s nice to find someone who isn’t just interested in insulting those with whom they disagree. I would have hoped that the other responses had risen to this simple level of maturity and respect, but the Joe My God crowd really let me down today.

            Anyway, I haven’t had time to read everything in all four links you included, but I have to say that the third one doesn’t make the cut.

            When it gets around to asking, ‘Why are we seeing so much violence among Muslims?’, it first offers, without elaboration, “First, most of these countries continue to struggle with the arbitrary borders imposed during and after the colonial era. Territorial conflicts often take a long time to resolve.”

            Now, you and I can see that pursuing this line of reasoning would have forced the writers to discuss the enmity between Shia and Sunni Muslims, and that would have clearly supported the idea that Islam itself is a major factor in the violence. It looks like they didn’t want to go there, and deliberately stopped their analysis short.

            And then they lose all credibility with this nugget:
            “Some critics of Islam say that it is innately more violent than other religions. But all religions include elements of violence as well as peace.”

            I would ask the authors for their example of a Christian 9-11 that has taken place in our lifetimes.

            Now I’ll read the other links.

            Thanks again, M Jackson. And Happy New Year!

          • The_Wretched

            “really let me down today.”

            Heavens! I do declare that we all owe you so much!

          • PlutoAnimus

            I guess I got spoiled with people saying thoughtful, intelligent things, and refraining from insults.

            I forgot that you’re just people, with all the flaws that come from being human.

            My bad.

          • The_Wretched

            You’re insulting us by calling us ‘human’?

          • PlutoAnimus

            You may be the most hypersensitive person I have ever encountered.

            To acknowledge a fellow person’s humanity is not an insult.

            Nor is it an insult to acknowledge that they are an ape, a primate, or even a mammal.

          • The_Wretched

            “I forgot that you’re just people, with all the flaws that come from being human.”

            Um, you do know that comment is structured like an insult? Reading 101 stuff.

          • PlutoAnimus

            Keep digging.

          • customartist

            “Wu-u-ut?”

          • customartist

            Insults like posting erroneous quotes attributed to an entire group of people?
            Huh, like that?

          • customartist

            “I do declare” – lol

          • Clive Johnson

            “I would ask the authors for their example of a Christian 9-11 that has taken place in our lifetimes.”

            Northern Ireland? The Holocaust? The incredible, genocidal violence against Native Americans? What about the unprecedented violence of the Christian imperial powers in India and China and elsewhere? (See Mike Davis’ Victorian Holocausts) What about Christian European countries slaughtering each other in unbelievable numbers in WWI or all the religious wars before that?

          • PlutoAnimus

            The Holocaust? How old are you?

            Seriously, all good points… sort of.

            I’m concerned with motivation. The Christian nations of WWI were motivated by nothing more than legal contracts, oaths to defend one another. Christians slaughtered Christians, but not in the name of their God, rather in the name of their damn flags. The same goes for Northern Ireland.

            When 305 Sufi Muslims are slaughtered as they leave a mosque, it is because the religious beliefs of the killers justifies it.

            And so it goes with countless attacks, big and small, Shia on Sunni, Sunni on Shia, Sunni on the secular West: all religious acts.

            Christian terrorism today is very real, but very small-scale. It should be acknowledged for what it is. So should every Islamic attack. I believe they all should be called out for their religious nature.

            Imagine a Christian ISIS. It’s hard to do, isn’t it?

            Yet an Islamic ISIS, with its rape-squads and genocidal massacres, is our reality, today. Everything they do is justified by their holy book.

            Good luck finding liberal media coverage that ever dared to even mention the one justification for the whole rotten thing.

          • Clive Johnson

            “When 305 Sufi Muslims are slaughtered as they leave a mosque, it is because the religious beliefs of the killers justifies it.”

            But this can’t be the case for the violence of Northern Ireland, right? Centuries of anti-Semitism made in bold public statements by the church couldn’t have had anything to do with the Holocaust?

            “So should every Islamic attack.”

            You’re assuming what has yet to be demonstrated. Is religion a primary motivation in some cases? Sure. But merely because Muslims are involved with violence doesn’t automatically allow us to assume that religious faith was the primary reason. We have to look at context and specifics.

            “Yet an Islamic ISIS, with its rape-squads and genocidal massacres, is our reality, today. Everything they do is justified by their holy book.”

            Here’s where you’re partly true and partly false. Are these beasts using religious to justify their endless crimes? Yes. However, why did ISIS get going in the first place? It’s likely the case that ISIS would never have gotten off the ground were it not for Bush’s invasion of Iraq, many decades of western bullying and imperial ambition in the region, general deprived social and economic conditions, etc. Imagine if from childhood you were regularly exposed to extreme violence, seeing family members killed and tortured, body parts lying in the streets, pools of blood, foreign occupiers able to get away with almost any crime, rapes of your mom at gunpoint by American troops, etc., etc. It’s impossible think that this wouldn’t have a profound effect on people and that all sorts of nasty shit might develop from it. So, if we’re going to be honest and accurate about locating the cause of ISIS, almost by sociological definition it can’t be religion alone.

          • PlutoAnimus

            OK, let’s look at context and specifics.

            Tell me about the why of the San Bernardino massacre.

          • customartist

            One Muslim = Islam,
            but One Christian does not = Christianity.
            Is that your rationale?

          • PlutoAnimus

            Hmm, you emphasize context and specifics, but when offered a single historical example (from quite recently), you demur.

            Instead, I get a little straw man. How adorable.

            I want to talk motivation, you want to talk religious affiliation.

            Wouldn’t religious affiliation be relevant only if it were a motivating factor? Steven Paddock was a Christian, but his motive for killing was not to please God. The San Bernardino couple killed quite explicitly for their god. They said so.

            Shall we discuss the Fort Hood massacre next? 9-11? London? Madrid? Marseilles? The 305 Sufis murdered in Egypt?

            If you have anything else to offer, I’m happy to listen, but it looks like we may have to agree to disagree at this point.

            Happy New Year!

          • customartist

            82, I believe, Trans people were killed in the USA in 2017, and scant prosecutions.
            Did we hear a peep of the Christianity that killed them?

          • PlutoAnimus

            The Christian community’s shame knows no bounds.

            Will it ever atone for its persecution of gay people, of the whole LGBT community? Of course not. They’ll just whitewash their history like with the Native Americans, and with white supremacy.

            There’s a recording of Martin Luther King reading his Letter from a Birmingham Jail. Most Christians are unfamiliar with this scathing document.

            Alas, I cannot find the YouTube copy of King himself reading it, otherwise I’d leave the link. If you haven’t read it, it’s quite something.

          • Clive Johnson

            Lay out your case and I’ll respond.

          • PlutoAnimus

            They left messages saying they were doing it for Allah.

            Sounds like a religious motivation to me.

          • customartist

            “Christianity only does the Good shit”

          • PlutoAnimus

            I loathe Christianity.

            All laws allowing and regulating slavery in the U.S. were promulgated by Christians.

            Good luck finding an atheist who ever supported slavery.

          • customartist

            Will the BS ever stop flowing??
            “Hey, I heard something when I was 8, or 17, or whatever age, and I decided to grasp onto it [whether it be real fact or not] because A.) the piece of info was what I WANT to believe, and B.) I am mentally lazy, soo I just go around repeating said info as if it were fact. No need to actually vet it. I LIKE it!” 🙂

          • PlutoAnimus

            Wait, you’re saying that ISIS doesn’t use the Quran to justify its atrocities?

            Graeme Wood’s must read “What ISIS Wants” was published in the Atlantic nearly three years ago.

            It was in their top ten articles for, like, two years.

            https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

            It’s like you don’t want to know the facts. How strange.

          • Clive Johnson

            This is the standard American response: We wreak havoc in the world, killing large numbers, ruining democracies, smashing infrastructure, supporting dictators, etc., and then are innocently surprised when “they” hate us and want payback.

            At this very moment ISIS religious beliefs might be the internal self-justifying explanation for their behavior. However, if we actually want to understand what’s going on the world the ‘religion made them do it’ line has limited utility. There are almost ALWAYS other factors at work. Getting these complexes right is the key.

            What you’re doing is insisting on defending the overly simplifying nomenclature of a culture in which the vast majority of people are incapable of a complex reasoning process. It’s much easier to pin explanations on single causes than see things in their full reality.

            [yikes, forgive my typos–now corrected I hope]

          • customartist

            absolutely correct

          • customartist

            Bible: “What Christianity wants”.
            Slavery
            Polygamy
            etc

          • PlutoAnimus

            OK, so show me the Christian ISIS.

            Show me the Christian 9/11.

            I don’t like Christianity, but it has the public-relations savvy to keep its violence under wraps in places like the U.S.

          • PlutoAnimus

            Oh my gosh, I just read the Gary Gutting story that you linked to, and he seems to be making points for me, not against me:

            “Does this mean that Islam is evil? No, but it does mean that it has not yet tamed, to the extent that Christianity has, the danger implicit in any religion that claims to be God’s own truth. To put it bluntly, Islam as a whole has not made the concessions to secular values that Christianity has.”

            I couldn’t have put it better myself.

            The fact that such an acknowledgement is exceedingly rare only reinforces my point.

        • netxtown

          but…but….I thought it was just the xtians that were being persecuted???

        • customartist

          BS.
          Like when FOX’s “The Judge” said “Why do all liberals love communists?”
          Idiots. No nicer way to put it.

          • PlutoAnimus

            And your counterexample that totally puts me in my place is…

            …nonexistent?

          • customartist

            A mere fraction of Muslims are terrorists, but you and the likes paint them with a wide brush,…
            but when a majority of Christians act badly, you completely ignore this. Who do you think has been killing Transgender people in high percentages? NON-Christians?? lol
            Sooo typical. Ya see? I can stereotype too! 🙂

          • PlutoAnimus

            Just one example of the liberal media treating the religious motivation of an Islamic attack with its proper emphasis.

            Just one.

            Please.

          • customartist

            And you accused libs of directing the focus?

          • PlutoAnimus

            This whole thread stems from one post, in which I called out the Liberal Media for avoiding the subject of the religious motivation of Islamic terrorists.

            Only one commenter had the integrity to offer counterexamples. I salute that commenter, and anyone else who tries to offer evidence that I am wrong.

            So what are you waiting for?

          • FAEN

            I may have missed it but I haven’t heard you call out the right wing media for avoiding the subject of religious motivation when that person is a Christian.

          • customartist

            “Only one commenter had the integrity to agree with me yada yada…”

      • Acronym Jim

        True. That’s apparent when it quantifies which Christians are criticized (“who violate the rights of others”), but not Muslims.

      • customartist

        Typical.

    • netxtown

      And if Xtians and Muslims alike would cease wearing their ‘faith’ on the sleeve of a grifting hand – and/or smear it on folks like cheap peanut butter – we could all live happy ever after….

      • PlutoAnimus

        Good gravy, a thoughtful response!

        Many thanks!

    • customartist

      A banquet of ignorance, simply too voluminous to ingest or digest.

    • The_Wretched

      When Muslims control 75%+ of all political seats (instead we can count the national level ones on one hand), get back to me about bias in concern about various religions. On the equal treatment of religion front, supporting education and the rights of women fights back against both xtians and muslims equally!

      • customartist

        Stupid businessmen make their assessments upon single or few incidents, as opposed to wider trends. Here is where Pluto fails.

        • Clive Johnson

          Yes! They’re pre-rational, pre-statistical and naive about social science. Their personal anecdotes become universals–they engage in a kind of folk sociology.

          • customartist

            They believe what they WANT to be true, as opposed to what really is true, AKA fact.
            They apply the Faith Method in politics as well as in their religious lives.
            Sadly, they have a contingent of supporters who do the same.
            Old saying: “Ya can’t fix stupid!”

          • PlutoAnimus

            So I’m stupid?

            I would never stoop so low as to call you names, customartist.

            Good day.

          • customartist

            Truth hurts

          • PlutoAnimus

            I said, Good Day!

            Seriously, I hope all goes well for you today.

            I’m a humanist; I can’t help it.

          • customartist

            I heard you the first time, but your continued presence made me question your follow-thru?

          • PlutoAnimus

            You may need another cup of coffee.

          • customartist

            Nope. Maxed out.

          • PlutoAnimus

            So your example of the liberal media emphasizing that say, ISIS is motivated by religion, would be where, exactly?

          • Clive Johnson

            You make the claim, you should provide the evidence.

            But, beyond this, what explains your fixation about this issue? What’s at stake? What should the media be saying? (And why should we assume they aren’t?)

            What’s seems likely from the outside is that you’re driven by a fixed idea, a bias.

            I think what’s happening here is this:

            1. Take a poorly educated and reason-incapable part of the population (breitbart types, Trump supporters, etc.), and almost any socially significant difference from what they perceive to be the mainstream will cause them great concern. Whether that concern has anything to do with reality is almost irrelevant. The right-wing threat response goes into overdrive, which it’s always primed to do.

            2. We live in world with low literacy levels, modest educational attainments, and abysmal critical thinking skills on average. Therefore, we have to expect that simple and inaccurate explanations will be preferred to comprehensive ones. There’s also the matter of media facing various constraints–space, time, readers’ attention.

            So, what works for the average person is X caused Y, when in reality the accurate formulation is factors a, b, c, d, and e, as part of this dialectic of action and response, and this local variation, and some element here we don’t understand and might not anyway.

            What you seem to be insisting on, at least in many of the case we could potentially discuss, is the former simple and obfuscating formulation of ‘religion caused it!’ Aside from being inaccurate it perpetuates ignorance about the full reality of why things happen, which must also include US foreign policies, politics, economics, and much else. Your approach is motivated by a desire for the simple assignment of blame. The latter approach is a systems and ecological approach that wants to get at the truth.

            It’s easy however to see why the simplistic approach is used. “Islamic radicals bombed the building.” Easy to understand, ambiguity is absent, and no demand is placed on the mind.

            The alternative in this hypothetical might be ‘A bombing occurred by people associated with this particular form of Islam, in the context of ongoing violence, in a part of the world that’s been ravaged by violence, which has resulted in great psychological trauma, which we know produces warped ideation and behavior patterns that seize upon available mental patterns to make sense of, and which leaves people vulnerable to irrational impulses, which aren’t too different from those motivating the military strategists, which reflects the limited minds and problem-solving systems of the contemporary social, economic and political order…’

        • PlutoAnimus

          No, I’ve been working class all my life.

          Nice stereotyping you got there, Bub.

          • customartist

            “Only I may stereotype people”

          • PlutoAnimus

            Other than the Liberal Media, who tend to act in concert, whom have I stereotyped?

          • customartist

            You have evidence of concerted efforts?
            Could they not simply come to similar viewpoints??

      • PlutoAnimus

        “No need for honesty in the liberal media. We have an agenda to achieve, dammit!”

        • The_Wretched

          See, that’s dishonest of you. You didn’t address my point in the least and isn’t that what you’re accusing everyone here of doing to you?

          • PlutoAnimus

            Ay ay ay.

            My point was this:

            Only a complete dick would not want the goals you want to achieve. I think they’re all splendid ideas.

            But religion is a corrosive force. Every single time it hurts people, especially with violence, it needs to be covered in the media.

            Liberal media should not self-censor the connections between religious beliefs and religious terrorist acts — no matter what the religion.

            That is coverage that respects fairness.

          • customartist

            Did the media blame Christianity for the Troy, NY quadruple killings?

          • PlutoAnimus

            Obviously not — the police said they did not know the motive.

            Neither do you. Neither do I.

            Of course, they probably did it because they learned in Church that gays deserve to die. But until we have evidence of that, no responsible news media, left or right, would ever assert that.

          • customartist

            They SAID that they believed they were “targeted”

          • Clive Johnson

            Not all religion is a corrosive force. For example, progressive Christians came out in significant numbers to help defeat the bigoted marriage amendment to the MN constitution. Or, there’s the Spiritual Naturalist Society which is composed of atheists and agnostics using meditation, etc., to improve their lives.

            What about the “religion” of free market capitalism and libertarianism? I’ll happily take moderate Christianity over these toxic faiths any day.

        • FAEN

          Hmm-who is more honest to you, MSNBC, BBC, PBS or Fox News? I’m curious.

    • FAEN

      When this particular station is up and running we shall see if you are correct or not.

  • Could they get a logo that doesn’t scream “we’re a no name far-left blog your friend shared with you on Facebook”?

  • Tawreos

    I’d prefer to just have unbiased news and put my own spin on it if I so choose. I don’t need to be told what to think about topics.

    • KnownDonorDad

      If only. That’s exactly how it should be.

    • Joe in PA

      Bingo, you said it more succinctly than I did, sorry I didn’t see your post first.

    • edrex

      and isn’t that the goal of competent journalism? i think pbs newshour is the only source that gets close.

      • JIM W

        If the resuglicans get their way, PBS will go away.

    • Publius

      Same here. I prefer boring delivery of raw news over opinion journalism. We need more Cronkites. Give me an old anchor in a business suit looking square into the camera delivering facts and nothing else any day.

      IMO slips of personal biases and opinions should be rare exceptions, and should only happen every now and then, such as Earth-shattering moments.

  • KnownDonorDad

    How do people listen to Mark Levin? Seriously! Regardless of political position, he’s the audio equivalent of a sneer. Listening to him is the aural version of putting lemon juice on a cut.

    • DN

      Audio equivalent of a sneer…. incredibly well-put!

    • Treant

      Fun Fact: Don’t put lemon juice on a cut. It’s not a good disinfectant and it stings.

      😛

      • Don’t rub aftershave on your balls either. They might smell nice once the flames go out.

  • Sam

    Well, I’ll be interested in checking out. So far, I’ve been happy with Free Speech TV with The Stephanie Miller Show in the mornings.

  • Treant

    He considers the Young Turks “progressive”? I consider them easily swayed and far too far into the recurve of the horseshoe. When they BernieBotted out and started blaming Clinton for everything, I wandered away in search of somebody sensible.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6057e22e94fe41f9e6f3deb6e8349b1f74784d6bba8a1dc01a5897c1dbc50a9c.png

    • whollyfool

      That is fantastic (except that it’s true). I’m stealing that.

      • Treant

        Feel free; I stole it myself. I found it amusing that I sit in the “Wall Street/ 1%” area, but I’m apparently far too far right for the Bros. 🙂

        • whollyfool

          Lol everything is relative.

    • KnownDonorDad
      • fuow

        A lot of the problem we faced in Germany after 1928 was an inability of those on the left to figure out what to do with the Russian infiltration of their groups. Sound familiar?

    • Todd20036

      Isn’t THAT the truth.

      Just ask the Nazis, or Perdue/Ish.

    • SoCalGal20

      TYT gets Republican funding. Not to mention Cenk is a misogynist douchebag supposed “former” Republican.

  • Joe in PA

    Well, good luck with this I guess. I don’t think it will survive though. There is no “opposite” of The Blaze, Newsmax etc… I certainly wouldn’t pay for “left-biased” anything. I want truth, perspective, honesty. If this venture has that…great, but it sounds like they are catering to a certain audience…and there are a lot fewer of those than the idiots on the far right that will believe anything. The instant I see a biased report, I drop them.

  • Jmdintpa

    Im sure it will fail. Some groups will be offended about something said or not said and start boycotts to shut up this new fascist, sexist, racist, homophobic, anti green, anti animal, anti global warming, nazi radio station because they do not agree that fish should be called sea kittens or somebody played a commercial about a car that runs on ” fossil fuels”. same way we probably lose more seats in the mid terms and lose again in 2020.

    • marshlc

      I console myself by thinking that most of that crowd are too young to vote anyway. I’m probably kidding myself, but I’ll take consolation where I can find it.

  • bkmn

    Trump is trying to take credit for airline safety since there were no deaths last year. So is regulation good or is it bad?

    • customartist

      I’m still trying to determine whether Adding to the National Debt matters??
      Apparently there has been a sudden reversal (on the Republican side)?
      It now matters when benefitting Business, but not when benefitting The People, you know, the PURPOSE of government?

  • FAEN

    Hope it works better than Air America did.

    • fuow

      That shouldn’t be difficult. I still miss some of their voices.

    • whollyfool

      That’s what I was thinking. But maybe post-Trump….

  • another_steve

    I hope they don’t go “berserko progressive.” You know… report after report re why my eating lamb chops makes me a murderer.

    Let’s keep it reasonable.

    • customartist

      Like “Homosexuality causes hurricanes”?
      Or, like “Gay marriage will ruin traditional marriage”?

      Huh, like that?

      • another_steve

        My homosexuality once caused hurricanes. But that was a long time ago.

        Today, when my husband tells me I look nice, that’s a good day.

        • customartist

          I long for such a comment lol

          • FAEN

            I’m sure you look nice.

          • customartist

            It could be worse – I continually tell myself

    • The_Wretched

      Or wanting to return to early 90s cost of college education to the student! I really hope they avoid being that unreasonable.

  • PlutoAnimus

    Next time there’s a terrorist attack in the U.K., go to the Guardian website to read about it.

    The perpetrator’s religion, almost always the motivation for the killing, will remain unmentioned. They will also avoid mentioning the killer’s name.

    Can we look forward to that kind of liberal ‘honesty’ in this network?

    • Dazzer

      The Guardian follows media law in the UK. Suspects should only be named after the police have made the information publicly available.

      Also, the Guardian prefers to follow facts rather than supposition.

      As you have shown continuously on this thread, you’re not keen on facts.

      • PlutoAnimus

        Hmm?

        What non-factual assertions have I made?

        Please be specific.

        • kareemachan

          How about your brag about being blocked…..

      • FAEN

        Hey Dazzer-You’ve been on my mind. Hope you are doing as well as can be.

      • (((GC)))

        The Guardian also doesn’t fight people with ad blockers, doesn’t put articles behind paywalls, and asks politely for support.

  • Mike

    ..

  • Mike

    He’s right about a vacancy of progressive voices. The media, as always, present the news strictly from a Republican-centric view, mostly with commentary by Republicans and bothsiderist newsdudes. Even on ostensibly progressive-leaning shows on MSNBC like Joy Reid’s, you’ll see lots of Republicans mixed in with so-called moderate voices, and you’ll also see so-called “alt-right” deplorables and lots of “what does this mean for the Republicans in the next election…” And the host will furrow her brow to signal disapproval, but it’s not enough. A progressive view of “the news” is welcome.

  • Leo

    Ugh…The Young Turks is such a messy show with a hothead following that’s been attracting more and more trolls – and I say this as someone as progressive as they come. I’m reminded of their brawl with Alex Jones and Roger Stone.

    Good luck attracting millennials as Pod Save America seems to have that down on lock. There is a vacuum in the progressive video space specifically but how to fill it and who to specifically target will be the ultimate question of survival.

    Using the right-wing atmosphere as a model to flip is NOT the right way of approaching this as you’re talking entirely different environments.

    • customartist

      Liberals, and Democrats, can win by addressing Facts with Independents, those who can be persuaded with rationale.

      • kareemachan

        Independents like bernies or steinists?

        • customartist

          Are those the only choices?

  • JWC

    Another windbag newscast

  • MooseMalloy

    Are we still pretending Democrats are somehow left and not just sneering small-minded do-nothing fauxgressives who vote for neoliberal millionaires who work for neoliberal billionaires and then pitch a hissy-fit when their “team” loses? Just askin’.

    • kareemachan

      Try translating this into English and we’ll get back to ya…

    • customartist

      Yes moose, there are some very old mindsets in the hierarchy of the DNC.
      We’re working to change things.

  • PlutoAnimus

    Don’t forget 2018 is an Election Year, people! We got work to do!

    OT: Sixteen people on Joe My God blocked me today!

    I’m so proud.

    But I won’t block them, because I do not fear other people’s point of view; rather I welcome them all.

    Happy New Year to the Joe My God community!

    • GanymedeRenard

      How does one know if one’s been blocked? I want to know if I should be proud, too.

      (BTW, may I ask what exactly did you post that caused 16 people to block you today? It seems intense to me! LOL)

      • kareemachan

        Yeah, my first thought as well. Huh. Not many votes OR comments. Something smells fishy in the land of pluto….

        • GanymedeRenard

          Honestly, there was no snark intended in my comment. I just thought about what must be so utterly disturbing to earn you 16 people blocking you on one single day! Anyway, I bear no distrust towards Pluto – in fact, I’ve only seen him/her post a few times on here. I don’t know anything about his/her political views, background, sexual orientation, etc.

        • customartist

          Fishy would be a welcome fragrance

  • GanymedeRenard

    Warmest welcome! There seems to be a niche to be filled.

  • JCF

    Hmmph: I just want to be sure they endorse DEMOCRATIC nominees, period!

  • Terry

    I get a lot of my news through YouTube because even MSNBC is shite now. It used to actually be the progressive network. Now it is as corporate as FOX “news” is inaccurate and not to mention Russia Russia Russia

    I know we need to focus on it but every damn day, taking up an inordinate amount of time? Flint needs clean water, Puerto Rico is without power, DACA needs to be reauthorized, people are struggling to pay tuition and coal miners need to be retrained in other fields

    Can we have less about Russia and focus on those issues as well?