CALIFORNIA: Legal Recreational Marijuana Sales Begin

The Associated Press reports:

Californians may awake on New Year’s Day to a stronger-than-normal whiff of marijuana as America’s cannabis king lights up to celebrate the state’s first legal retail pot sales.

The historic day comes more than two decades after California paved the way for legal weed by passing the nation’s first medical marijuana law, though other states were quicker to allow the drug’s recreational use.

From the small town of Shasta Lake just south of Oregon to San Diego on the Mexican border, the first of about 90 shops licensed by the state opened Monday to customers who previously needed a medical reason or a dope dealer to score pot.

More from Reuters:

With California and its 39.5 million residents officially joining the pack, more than one-in-five Americans now live in states where recreational marijuana is legal for purchase, even though cannabis remains classified as an illegal narcotic under U.S. law.

The marijuana market in California alone, which boasts the world’s sixth-largest economy, is valued by most experts at several billion dollars annually and is expected to generate at least a $1 billion a year in tax revenue.

“Adding California to the regulated [recreational] market for cannabis is a really big deal,” said Heather Azzi, a senior attorney for the Marijuana Policy Project, an advocacy group working to liberalize marijuana laws.

  • Joseph Miceli

    Isn’t it ridiculous. I loathe the smell of weed and I don’t like the high it gives….but about one little puff a night gets rid of all my muscle aches and relieves my lower back spasms better than anything over the counter…including Alleve which I have found to be the best thing out there. So because I’m a “drug user” police can incarcerate me and basically seize everything I own. Right. Time to change the law.

    • Sam_Handwich

      i’m with you on the smell, though it can vary greatly in pungency. and if i smoke, it’s always before going to bed

      • Ninja0980

        I never smoke, only because the few times I have, I always get a sinus infection afterwards.

        • bkmn

          As a former cigarette smoker I don’t like to smoke but I do have great appreciation for the edibles and sublingual sprays that are fast onset.

          • JaniceInToronto

            I bake cannabis cookies. Takes less cannabis and lasts much longer. It’s so comforting to know it will be legal here very soon.

            My only fear is that the government will pass way too many rules on its use, manufacture, distribution, etc. If they can’t sell it for $6.50/gram they will never sell any and the black market they want to do away with will flourish as usual.

          • bkmn

            We moved to Washington state around the time the market opened and prices have dropped significantly. One 11 ounce bottle of pot soda used to run $18 for 10mgs of THC. It is now down to $5 and the soda is better than most you can buy without pot. I have seen full ounces of pot going for $50 to 60 with a decent level of THC. The market will adjust if the government lets it.

          • Reality.Bites

            It’s easy to lose sight of the fact that it’s just an ordinary plant and the costs of cultivation aren’t higher than other crops.

            They can grow blackberries in Chile and get them to you still fresh for a few dollars (we’ll put aside the carbon costs and exploitation involved – it’s legal and the weed industry isn’t going to be more noble than others).

            A pack of cigarettes (dried weed) is $10 and contains more than an ounce. And as we know, most of that price is taxes – it’s a hugely profitable product to the tobacco companies for the couple of dollars they get per pack.

          • peacfulseas inWA

            Never smoked cigarettes but use weed to help with early onset parkinson. I’m on meds that help some but pot is much better. I’m not crazy about the smell and the lingering smell that say I smoke. I had the ability to have a med card since it’s availability here but chose not to since it was listed on your DL. Just one more thing to give probable cause for LEO’s and it was like $500.00.

          • bkmn

            I have the card but I do not have any obvious marker on my DL, though they may well make a note of it on your record. The card cost me $125 for a naturopath visit and another dollar to have one of the shops make the card for me that is valid at any store in the state. The 8% break on sales tax is not worth it alone but several stores in the south Sound have days of the week where they give medical patients an additional 10 or 15% off.

          • peacfulseas inWA

            I looked into it when it 1st became available but opted not to. I was a grower at the time for personal use and 4 patients with a medical card. The store I frequent runs specials nearly every day of the week from different growers. They also have a monetary points system that I can use or let it ride and bank it.I can use up to half of whats in my account. I’m a frequent flyer.
            My wife is a care giver and takes clients to get their medical weed. Most opt out of the medical pot and go for the better grade.

          • bkmn

            I have been thankful to have wound up in the south Sound where prices often beat even Uncle Ikes up in Seattle. Now getting 100mg edible CBD with a touch of CBD for under $20. That works out to 20 5mg does for me at $1 each.

          • Robert K Wright

            They estimate two years before the prices drop to those levels here. I’m looking forward to having a less expensive option. $90.00 is the lowest price in the area for an ounce, and it’s still a pretty good ounce.

          • bkmn

            It will all depend on how they go about licensing the growers/processors/etc. If they don’t put up lots of roadblocks it should be any time after a year or so. I first knew the prices were really going to be dropping when I saw the second year “Green Friday” prices the day after Thanksgiving. The prices have just kept going down since but I think we are at a point that if they go much lower that retail stores won’t be able to make it.

          • Robert K Wright

            I read a couple of recent articles about the pricing. They actually used WA state as an example of the time frame needed for price dropping. Also, here in CA this will kill the small grower business, especially when the prices drop. One of the articles was in the New Yorker, I’ll look for it again.

          • Scott MB

            Where are you? I may want to make a trip sometime soon. It’s $340/oz here in upstate NY. While the quality is really good, it isn’t $340/oz good. Back in MI I could get some great “one hit and your getting picked up off the floor” homegrown for about $100/oz. That stuff here would bring bank! I do miss some, but very few, things about MI.

          • bkmn

            I’m in western Washington state. If you make a journey it would have to be via car/train/bus as you run a big risk if you try to go through airport security with any goods.

          • prixator

            Ontario is a real nanny state when it comes to recreation. They’ve always regulated the minimum price of alcohol (expensive), so I doubt pot will be any different.

          • bkmn

            I can relate. Used to live in Minnesota, which has a real need to be in loco parentis to the adults of the state.

          • juanjo54

            Valid concern but studies to this date indicate that states with legal marijuana seem pot prices reduce significantly on both the retail and wholesale levels. Legal production is so much easier and cheaper than illegal. This is why the cartels have been shifting from marijuana production to other harder drugs in Mexico and other locations.

          • JaniceInToronto

            The government here is making $10.00/gram noises. Do not like.

          • pj

            brownies

          • bkmn

            brownies, chocolates, lozenges, oral sprays, cookies, potato chips, crackers…just getting started

    • David L. Caster

      The edibles are now available and at controlled dosages. You know what you are getting. And there are non-intoxicating derivatives from the plant that may have the same medical effect you have been experiencing.

    • Lakeview Bob

      I agree about Alieve. It works better for kidney stones that Oxycodone. And Oxycodone makes me feel like shit the next day.

    • bkmn

      My other elbow is starting to act up so I was glad I was able to take half a dosed chocolate with CBD with very little THC last night. Prices have dropped significantly in WA to the point that a 5mg dose of CBD with a very small (less than 1mg THC) is down to a dollar, and it is made with good chocolate too!

      • Chucktech

        Pffft. Opioids can do the same thing, you know… /s

        • bkmn

          Though I am trying to stretch out my stash to save for the worst of the days. Another thing I am doing is going in to have my elbow injected with steroids tomorrow. Such fun.

          • Chucktech

            Be well.

          • bkmn

            Thanks. I will save up my snark tomorrow for use later in the week.

          • marshlc

            Oh, man, gotta love those cortisone shots in the joints. And I mean that quite sincerely – I went back to my doctor and said “This is great, can we just keep doing this?” but the killjoy, he said no.

          • Chucktech

            And did he tell you why not? Unless I’m mistaken, long term use can damage your kidneys.

          • TheManicMechanic

            Continued use of injections will damage the soft tissues of the joints.

          • marshlc

            Yeah, there are all kinds of bad side effects from long term steroid use. Do love me that sweet sweet cortisone and prednisone, though.

          • bkmn

            I am well aware that when I decide to go for an elbow replacement that I can not have any for at least three months before surgery. That is what I am not looking forward to.

          • RoFaWh

            Tip: try rubbing ordinary OTC cortisone ointment into the skin over the part that hurts. Don’t overdo this, however, for the same reasons you don’t overdo the injections. Thinning of the skin may be the most serious side effect of cortisone ointment.

            My right knee is arthritic and hurts sometimes. I find that one application of cortisone ointment is generally all it takes to quiet things down.

          • Robert K Wright

            Be careful with steroid injections, they can have some nasty side effects. I developed “rapid growth cataracts” after having two steroid injections in my back. The eye doctor asked me if I’d had any recent steroid injections. It’s somewhat common, but the doctors don’t warn you about much when it comes to steroids. And they really were rapid growth. Was driving down the road when the world went blurry. Thought i was going to crash the car. You probably won’t have any problems, but best to be aware.

          • bkmn

            Thanks for the warning but this is not my first trip to this rodeo.

          • Robert K Wright

            Wasn’t mine either, but they never warned about the eyes. Wasn’t until the third injection, but it is different when it’s injected into the spine. Good luck, hope it alleviates your pain.

          • RoFaWh

            Something else to look into: massage. A lot of enduring pain is due to scar tissue in torn muscles or tendons. Massage when carried out by someone who actually knows what they’re doing can help break down such scar tissue and thereby give relief.

            My caveat means, iow, a masseur/masseuse who bases their treatments on medical science, not folklore.

          • bkmn

            In my case I know it is due to having very little joint tissue in my elbow, not muscular/fascia issues. But I do love a good massage.

      • Joseph Miceli

        Damn I envy y’all. You know Louisiana will probably be the first Southern state to legalize it (because mostly we don’t give a rat’s ass about all the other crap) but it will still be anywhere from 5 to 10 years.

        • bkmn

          If you are interested in trying, you can almost always get a cheap flight to Vegas and a deal on a hotel for a couple of nights. Just remember with edibles that it takes over an hour for them to kick in, sometimes two, so don’t do a Maureen Dowd who ate a 16 dose candy bar all at once and spent the night freaking out under her hotel bathroom sink.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Bless her heart ! She just hasn’t been the same since Bush to left office

    • Chucktech

      That’s why Big Pharma is against legal marijuana. I seriously believe legal pot could be the key to ending the opioid crisis that seems especially bad in Flyoverville. But of course they’ll be the last place on earth to legalize marijuana.

      • Reality.Bites

        Sorry, but I think that’s just wrong. Why? Because marijuana is pretty much freely available everywhere and has been for decades.

        • Chucktech

          On the black market, sure. That’s another great reason to legalize marijuana.

          • Reality.Bites

            Calling it the black market is accurate, but overdramatic IMO. It’s illegal, but it’s a lot easier to buy weed than it is to get a reliable opioid prescription.

          • Chucktech

            Maybe it is for you guys, but if you’re some rust belt worker who torqued his back in his dying rust belt job, you’re not going to go try to score some weed, you’re going to go over to ol’ Doc Smith’s strip mall office and ol’ Doc Smith is going to write a prescription to oxycodone and be done with you.

          • Niblet58

            And then when you can’t get another script you go find heroin and worse, OD and die.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Yep, because Medicaid pays for that, it doesn’t pay for marijuana.

      • Michael White

        Michigan is expected to have it on the ballot in November. Once the tax dollars roll in an alcohol sales drop here in Northern Indiana even our hater evilgenital grand ole pedo party state house will reconsider.

        • Chucktech

          I hope you’re right, but I’m not going to hold my breath on that one.

          • David Walker

            Depending on the potency, I couldn’t hold my breath on several of them…although they tended to be potent enough that you didn’t have to hold your breath for long.

          • Chucktech

            David, my experience with medical grade marijuana is that it’s almost too potent. And one little puff, it you let it work for a few minutes, is all you need. An actual joint of the stuff is way too powerful to consume recreationaly.

        • Niblet58

          Oh hell we can’t even buy booze on Sunday let alone pot. Indiana is about as backasswards as any state in the union when it comes to shit like this (and a whole lot of other stuff too!)

          • Steve

            I live in Illinois (Monee) but worked in Whiting Indiana for 25 years. Driving 20 miles across the Indiana State line drops you into the deep South. I discovered educated, well paid people with the most backward ideas on social issues. Stupidly and ignorance are celebrated in that culture.

      • Joseph Miceli

        It truly is insane that they can not process the evidence in a clear, logical manner….but then I read today Michele Bachman is thinking of making a comeback. People are fucking stupid.

        • Chucktech

          Michele Bachman has a long slog ahead of her if she thinks she’s gonna run.

    • CanuckDon

      So I’m assuming that much of the resistance in legalizing pot is also from the pharmaceutical industry.

      • Chucktech

        BIGLY.

        • CanuckDon

          Will there ever be a day when the good of the people isn’t thwarted by the selfish need of tons of money?

          • David Walker

            Not that I’ll ever see, but there’s hope for you young’uns.

          • Ryan Hunter

            Only if they get off their asses and VOTE. They didn’t do too well the last time around.

      • Michael White

        and the Alcohol lobby.

      • Hue-Man

        And the Prison Industrial Complex.

      • Niblet58

        esp the opiod producers and distributors.

      • RoFaWh

        I wouldn’t say so. The resistance mainly comes from deplorably ignorant types who think “Reefer Madness” is a documentary full of truth. Sessions is probably a good example of this stupidity.

      • MonochromeMouse

        Pretty much all of the opposition to legalization is from groups with ties to the pharmaceutical industry, just like how the paper industry (and racists in D.C.) was behind the push to make it illegal in the first place.

        • Goodboy

          It’s amazing when you see the real reason it was made illegal. Some things just never change.

    • DisqusD37

      I, too, can’t stand the smell of it. But with all the edibles and beverages available now, you no longer have to smoke it.

      • RoFaWh

        Why mess around with edibles (etc) when you can buy capsules of THC in coconut oil? A fifty-milligram capsule will get most people pretty thoroughly stoned, and the effect takes a long time to dissipate.

    • A L Vee

      VAPE!

      • Scott MB

        I have tried the vape, med grade here in NYS, and it sucks. Not using it for a high but pain relief and anti-anxiety, no great effects. An oz of street weed, decent quality, lasts me a little over 3 months. Even at the rediculous prices here its is cheaper than from the single dispensary in my area. Next closest is 2 hours away.

    • Nychta

      I know someone who is terminally ill and who has legal access to both morphine and marijuana. She told me she much prefers the marijuana because it helps her feel better without side effects.

      • David Walker

        Granted, it was 1985, but her doctor refused to prescribe morphine for my mother when she was dying of cancer. Are you ready for this? He refused because she might become addicted! The woman was dying and was in horrible pain and he was concerned about addiction. “Do no harm” my ass.

        • RoFaWh

          That is properly termed “gratuitous cruelty.”

          Shameful!

        • Nychta

          When I worked in a hospital during the early 70s that was the prevailing attitude. Made no sense to me, so cruel. Another attitude at the time was to keep patients alive no matter what – more cruelty. Oh, and to never relinquish any control to patients or their families.

          I remember one patient – a teenage girl who was dying from myocarditis. Her parents were at the hospital constantly, and one evening decided to go out to get something to eat. On their way out they made sure we had the restaurant phone number, and asked me to call them if anything happened while they were away.

          Wouldn’t you know it, shortly after they left their daughter went into cardiac arrest. I went to pick up the phone and call them, but the nurse on shift wouldn’t let me (I was a ward clerk and had no authority). She told me something to the effect that the parents would just get in the way during the resuscitation effort, which ultimately failed.

          The parents returned a little later to find their daughter had died, and no one had had the decency to alert them. To this day I feel bad about how they were treated. I wish I could have snuck to another phone to call them.

          • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

            I recently came through that with my mom, IMHO, now it’s the young doctors who want to do everything imaginable. I don’t know what they are trying to prove (maybe that they are smarter than Death?) It was terrible if there was not a senior doctor around all the young ones (younger than 40) insisted on awful expensive, painful tests long after the terminal diagnosis.

          • Nychta

            Sorry to hear you and your mom had that happen. Was she getting care in a teaching hospital? The hospital I used to work for was a teaching hospital; patients could be subject to a wide range of tests and procedures since part of the goal was to provide interns with wide-ranging experience.

          • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

            sadly, it was a teaching hospital, the horrors did not stop until we got her into Calvary Hospice in NY (an amazing place, I cannot praise it more).

          • RoFaWh

            I have known a few people who went into hospice. It is a remarkable institution; as one friend put it regarding his mother, the six weeks she was in hospice before she died may have been the best six weeks she ever had. If she wanted a bowl of ice cream, they brought her a bowl of ice cream. If she was desperate for a smoke, they would wheel her out into the center of the patio where she was beyond the canonical three-meter clearance required between tobacco use and buildings.

            One of the guys I worked with went into hospice with terminal colon cancer. His widow tells me that toward the end when it was getting pretty painful, he asked for ― and received ― sedation.

          • RoFaWh

            The way to deal with young doctors determined to fix everything: just say “no”. My GP (who I’ve been going to for over 35 years) was ill and had to have locums come in to look after his practice. One of them looked at lab results and “Oh, noes, there’s cryptic blood in your poop! We’ll have to send you off for a colonoscopy.”

            You don’t say! I asked what was the number and what is the cutoff line between well and sick. “Your score was 51 whatzits and anything over 50 is bad, bad, bad.” Being educated in the hard sciences, I said “Only one point over? That doesn’t sound like it’s necessary to do anything because such tests are not the most precise in the world.”

            To make a long story (already too long) short, the doc admitted that everywhere else in Canada, the cutoff is 100; it’s 50 in BC for political reasons. We agreed to do nothing for the present and re-test in a year. A year later my “number” had dropped down into the forties.

        • BillyDee4

          My mother was dying of COPD and bone cancer in the late 90s. She was bedridden and was using a narcotic patch. It turned out that the narcotic was not releasing medicine at an even rate. Her doctors–a wonderful lesbian couple–gave her Tylenol with codeine for those times when the patch wasn’t working well. My father refused to give her the Tylenol with codeine because he didn’t want her to become a drug addict. I tried to tell him that she was already, after two years, hooked on the pain patch and that she was never going to get better but he, along with my two brothers and two sisters, refused to listen. They gave her plain Tylenol which may have helped a little but not as much as the codeine would have. For two years she said she just wanted to die. She finally got pneumonia and died. She was 73.

          • Joseph Miceli

            I’m sorry, but that was cruel and your Dad is a controlling dick.

          • David Walker

            That is so infuriating and so sad. I’m sorry your mother had to go through that, and it burns me no end how much ignorance you had to put up with during that awful time.

        • Joseph Miceli

          That’s a doctor who would have had a fist in his face. I’m really sorry you had to go through that.

      • Robert K Wright

        Yeah, that morphine is ugly. I have it for my back, but rarely use it. It makes you nauseas in a horrible horrible way, and gives you a lot of agitation. I much prefer the pot. Also the cheba chews are great if you can’t smoke. ( it’s an edible that tastes like a tootsie roll rolled in dirt, but it’s still good for relief of pain.).

      • Joseph Miceli

        I believe her and my heart goes out to her. All my best to her…and you.

    • AaronD12

      Try CBD oil. It works miracles for me.

      • Joseph Miceli

        I appreciate the advice and I’d love to…but I live in Louisiana. Maybe in 10 years when they legalize it.

  • Slippy_World
  • Bluto
    • Al will be missed, that’s why you saw an effort to spread those stories true or not.

      • Man_in_the_mists

        The deep cynic in me says that the entire structure behind the hitjob will be revealed about one week after Franken leaves office. And the dems screaming for his head will never admit that they willingly danced on the GOP’s puppet strings.

  • cleos_mom

    This was comic nostalgia four decades ago.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLuNx1fYKtY

    • Lakeview Bob

      Back in the day this was screened every Saturday night at the University of Maryland Student Union along with Pink Flamingos. I wonder if any schools still do this. Does anyone remember any other schools doing this?

      • cleos_mom

        Not screened every Saturday night but it was a popular comedy with students at the University of Georgia when I was there.

    • Joe in PA

      Ahhh, drug crazed abandon

      I remember those days. 🙂 (no I don’t, but I might start)

    • nocadrummer

      I’ve never known anyone to “speed up” on grass. Coke, yes. Marijuana, no. This film was just plain silly. No wonder it did nothing in reducing use – anyone who’s even seen someone who uses pot would recognize it for the farce it is.

      • cleos_mom

        Farce is right. I saw it at on a movie night at the Student Union (UGA) some time in the early 1970s. It was quite a festive event; all that was missing was peanuts for the peanut gallery.

        The most popular scene was the maniacal piano-playing scene; but for me a runner-up was when a pot-crazed driver runs down an old man and you can actually see the cardboard cutout fall down. But it was taken quite seriously in its day.

    • AJA

      Hahaha, this is great, because my super-liberal HS film teacher in rural MI played this movie every year as part of his segment on propaganda.

      He got a lot of backlash from the admin for it “glorifying” pot, but no one could say it went against his lesson plan, so he was allowed to (and as far as I’ve heard) keep it in the curriculum.

  • Lakeview Bob

    As much as the Furor hates California it is a matter of time before he starts tweeting threats.

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    • TominDC

      I don’t know why, but in my head I always “hear” him pronouncing the word with a hard J.

      • McSwagg

        Of course, it’s a mara-jew-ana conspiracy. Gotta send out the KKK dog whistle.

  • bkmn

    It is a win-win-win-win

    People can enjoy a legal toke without having to worry about the cops.
    The cops can focus on real problems instead of petty pot busts
    Money is taken out of the pockets of the drug cartels
    The state and local governments get a new revenue stream.

    • Pluto Animus

      And it took only eighty years.

  • Blake J Butler

    And the conversion therapy bill in Nevada goes into effect today.

    • Reality.Bites

      Weed is its own kind of conversion therapy but it usually works the other way.

  • Bambino

    We have to wait until July.

    • Joe in PA

      Where is that B?

      • Bambino

        Kanada!!!! 🙂

        • Joe in PA

          Ya mean, the US beat you to it?? Shocked, shocked I tell you! 🙂 Cool.

          • Bambino

            Winning all the time can be tiresome. As you know Canadians are always apologetic about everything. So we give you that one 😛

          • Joe in PA

            Winning all the time can be tiresome.

            hrrrrummmph.

            https://media.tenor.co/images/b012d461b2ca1f2adaf3a02ea8fb0117/raw

          • Chucktech

            But you’ll have it everywhere in Canada. We’ll only have it in reality-based enclaves of the coasts.

          • OdieDenCO

            hey! Colorado has some nice beaches but we are not on the coast.

          • Reality.Bites

            But Colorado weed reminds me uncomfortably of John Denver. 😉

            A big difference between weed and liquor is that weed is extremely portable. Forgetting about the weight of packaging, a litre bottle of booze weighs 1000 grams. 1,000 grams of booze = $25. 1,000 grams of weed = $10,000

            So whether Sessions likes it or not, you’re going to be able to order marijuana online and get it sent to your home no matter where you live.

          • Chucktech

            Really?? And just when might that happen?? Unless you know something, I don’t think we’re anywhere NEAR being able to do that.

            For starters, the Feds have to get over their bullshit about it. As far as I know, legal sellers can’t even have a business bank account and have to do all of their transactions in cash, thanks to federal regulations and laws against marijuana.

          • Reality.Bites

            I’m saying it doesn’t matter at all what the feds want. There’s nothing they can do about it.

            There are lots of online dispensaries in Canada right now, where it’s still completely illegal. There’s little they can do about a business on the internet.

            Not to mention friends and family.

          • Chucktech

            I’m envious. But here in ‘Murikuh it certainly does matter what the feds “want.”

          • Hue-Man

            Count the pages when you google “canada order marijuana by mail”!

          • RoFaWh

            Nor can “they” do much about dispensaries opened because the city fathers told the cops to stop bothering with weed law enforcement.

          • Chucktech

            Colorado is a beautiful and wonderful exception.

          • Chucktech

            Actually, won’t ALL of Canada have it? Unlike Flyoverville, Christendom USA that will probably NEVER have it?

          • Reality.Bites

            Not only that, it was government legislation. No voter initiative (which I oppose on principal)

    • bkmn

      I heard on US public radio a few months ago that some in Canada are proposing they start out selling pot at $1/gram for the first several months to drive out the illegal market. Has anything progressed on that idea?

      • Reality.Bites

        The people proposing that aren’t the ones in charge of anything.

        It’s expected to sell for $10 a gram in Ontario, where it will be sold in government stores and online.

        British Columbia and Alberta are expected to go for a more free market approach.

    • Hue-Man

      I expect a lot of legalized marijuana will be sold by mail and not just becaue Amazon is ruling the retail world. Some provinces – it’s provincial jurisdiction – are planning to have only a handful of storefront sales points meaning that most consumers will buy online. Although there’s an issue of product being stolen en route to the doorstep, it’s better than the issues of retail stores near schools, security issues within marijuana stores and with supplying numerous retail locations.

      Provinces to keep control of online cannabis sales

      https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/provinces-keep-lucrative-online-market-for-legal-marijuana-tothemselves/article37019186/

      • Bambino

        In Ontario, It will be LCBO, the government control liquor stores. I’m fine with that. I know the largest drug store in the country is lobbying for the license.

        • Reality.Bites

          It will be a division of the LCBO. Separate stores though. But not nearly enough to meet the demand and anyone who’s ever seen the lineup at the Beer Store or the LCBO on the night before a long weekend knows damn well that when it comes to recreational substances there isn’t a whole lot of advance planning.

          Ontario is half-assing it because the government can’t bring itself to admit that we basically need as many marijuana stores as Starbucks.

          • RoFaWh

            Victoria, city of, BC, is way ahead of you. It’s alleged that in Victoria, there are already more dispensaries than Starbucks places. This factoid is less significant than it might seem at first glance because it doesn’t count the many independent coffee places.

            What we have here is pretty much a classic example of an oversaturated market. I predict that within very few years, many dispensaries will close their doors as the market for weed sorts itself out.

          • Reality.Bites

            I know that when we had some dispensaries operating openly here the lines were out the door and onto the street all day long.

            Whenever the first one opens here it’s going to be like new iPhone day at the Apple store.

      • RoFaWh

        Precisely what is the problem with dispensaries being near schools? They (the dispensaries) already operate under pretty strict rules about no underagers, so it’s not like kindergarteners will spend their recesses toking up behind the toolshed.

  • Chucktech

    God, this is so long overdue. If the feds hadn’t been kicking and screaming bullshit about how dire pot’s consequences are and actually studied its medicinal benefits we’d all be so much better off.

    And even I am surprised when I rarely get a sore back or a headache and take just one little puff of high grade pot that within 5 minutes I’ve forgotten about it.

    • Scott MB

      Well they are losing in legal states. States rights trump the federal law. As long as it isn’t violationg the constitution the feds should have no right to touch anything.

  • Sam_Handwich
    • Joe in PA

      LOL

    • Joe in PA
      • Yipes! Memories of cat-proofing my apartment.

        • Mike_in_the_Tundra

          Never tried. Her Majesty made the rules.

      • RoFaWh

        I used to have a lovely orange tom, Mao-jai (“little cat”). If he thought he wasn’t getting enough attention, he’d jump up on my bedroom chest of drawers and push things onto the flooor, one by one, until I gave him the pets and cuddles he wanted.

        • David Walker

          We found that a thoroughly cleaned out squirt bottle worked pretty well, too. Discouraged her from tossing stuff and being where we thought she shouldn’t be…while we were around. We’d come home to things on the floor and her smiling from what she considered her lookout and we considered a shelf.

        • Bomer

          Mine just come up and slap me until I pet them

      • Joseph Miceli

        I am so putting that on the Facebook!

    • bkmn

      Our guy was 4 years old when we got him. After introducing him to tuna the next move was to get him hooked on nip.

  • Ninja0980

    Good overall but I do hope people remember that it is NOT a good idea to drive after smoking pot.
    Drugged driving is no better then drunk driving.

    • Reality.Bites
      • RoFaWh

        That’s very funny; I laughed so hard I teared up!

        What particularly tickles my funny bone is that the message is quite subtle and probably over the heads of the deplorables.

    • SoCalGal20

      In CA we have traffic signs on all the major freeways. They’re used to inform drivers if there’s an accident, an Amber Alert, and so forth. When they’re not being used for those sorts of notification the default is usually some CHP slogan about fastening your seatbelt or not texting and driving, etc. The current slogan is: Drive High/Get a DUI.

      • Ninja0980

        Good.
        I’m not an anti-pot guy and think it should be legal but the notion it’s safe to drive stoned is a crock.

        • Silver Badger

          The one thing I’ve noticed in Colorado is that stoned drivers think the speed limits are way too high. 25 MPH is ample for almost everywhere.

  • DaddyRay

    They really need to address the banking issue but you know that won’t happen with this congress, DOJ or our president

    • Chucktech

      Not to mention, our current Attorney General…

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    Not into pot due to the smell but for legalization considering tax money, hopefully less crime and less hypocrisy since tobacco and booze are legal.

    • RoFaWh

      The pols and bureaucrats don’t get something: legalized marijuana is not going to be a very good cash cow. Tax it too heavily, and users will either grow their own or go back to the friendly dealer network they’ve used for years.

      Another group of deplorably ignorants: those pols and copshop-types who think “Reefer Madness” is a documentary, and use that as justification for their many efforts to un-delegalize marijuana by imposing ludicrous regulations on pot shops.

  • MB
    • Treant

      You had me at “weird orgies.” Where do I get some?

      • RoFaWh

        Available at fine dope shops nationwide, just add hot water and stir, and there’s your weird orgy. Also comes in flavors of strawberry, blueberry, service berry, and “highly muscled body-dude”.

        Be sure the bowl is big enough.

        • Reality.Bites
          • RoFaWh

            Baste with coconut oil that’s warm to the touch and liquid until your orgy is also warm to the touch and liquid (or at least liquidescent).

            Beyond this point, you’re on your own. 911 will not be pleased to receive your call about difficulties in figuring out just which appendage is tab A and which orifice is slot B. General advice: way too much lube is barely enough.

            Coconut oil is considered the Cadillac of massage lubricants.

      • NZArtist

        It does sound quite a bit like my New Years party.

  • OdieDenCO

    Welcome to the family CA

    • Chucktech

      Thank you for paving the way and showing that the sky did not fall.

      • Silver Badger

        You’re welcome.

  • Dagoril

    And the revenue from legal weed sales will help fund our Universal Healthcare!

  • A L Vee

    I live in CA and use weed. I guarantee that use won’t go up.

    • Reality.Bites

      Because it couldn’t possibly be higher?

      • A L Vee

        Or that people that currently don’t use it, probably won’t in the future. Same thing happened in Colorado. Use didn’t go up.

        • Chucktech

          Just ease of acquisition. And tax revenue. Good.

        • Reality.Bites

          I think there are substantial numbers of people who’ve aged or gentrified out of wanting to buy from a dealer and or don’t want the smell or find smoking too harsh.

          I only started using it again summer 2016 after many years, because vaping weed I could buy in a store or online became an option.

    • sandollar_man

      I think you’re wrong about that. Two days ago, I rode my bike on my usual route through Canoga Park, and West HIlls. I smelled Cannabis in 4 separate locations along that route.
      That’s never happened before. Usually the only smells are cow manure in the fall, and fresh growth of flowers and trees in the spring.

      The smell of cannabis will be a signal to those who’ve never tried it, to start that journey of discovery. And especially those who have aches and pains, and have heard the reports of how it can divert the mind to a less painful place.
      I’m still unconvinced that it is an actual painkiller. Seems more likely, it’s a reality divert-er.

      • A L Vee

        People smoking in the open doesn’t mean more people are using. 5 years ago I was at the Venice Beach skate park, directly in proximity to a Police Station. The smell of weed everywhere… the cops couldn’t have cared less. This before legalization.

        If you’ve never suffered menstrual cramps – I can see why one would be skeptical of its painkilling properties but it worked for me.

  • SoCalGal20

    Recreational weed is legal in Nevada now too,(started July 1, 2017) and I had to laugh when I drove into Las Vegas in early December. Every other billboard was advertising recreational weed products and dispensaries.

    I can’t wait for all the ads in CA (assuming there aren’t rules against advertising). It will be interesting to see how it all goes with raising tax revenues and whatnot.

    • marachne

      Up here in Reno what surprised me were the taxis advertising delivery. I wonder how much businesses will drop now that California is legal. For example, Tahoe had a store in Nevada, now a California side dispensary has gone recreational too. Sacramento has several shops.my guess is it will make a difference

    • stevenj

      SF’s MUNI had ads on trains and busses for much of this past year but has decided to scrap them since they don’t allow cigarette or liquor advertising either. There’s a lot of billboards advertising it though and the same freeway messages up here “Buzzed Driving is Drunk Driving”. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5deb0658ce6837c8b284fe36faee67ec0ab77b6f649648798deaafa635ec75d3.jpg

    • Circ09

      Have you seen Disjointed on Netflix with Kathy Bates? The fake pot commercials and youtube videos the show have come up with make the show worth watching. But the entire series is much better and more cleverly written than I expected. I really enjoyed it.

      • SoCalGal20

        I’ve heard of it but haven’t seen it. I’ll check it out.

  • There’s a good chance Illinois will legalize recreational use in the next year or two, if the governor doesn’t get all prissy on us. (It’s been legal for medical use here since 2013.)

    • Reality.Bites

      I imagine it’s rather pointless for states bordering Canada not to legalize it. Same with states bordering California, Washington, Colorado, Nevada and any others I’m not aware of. They’ll only cost themselves tax revenue and increase enforcement costs.

      • Well, we don’t really border Canada — Michigan and Wisconsin are sort of in the way.

        One would think, as much noise as our governor makes about budget shortfalls, he would welcome the $500-$700 million in revenue, but he’s pretty much an ass — he’d rather cut programs than find additional money.

        Footnote: I’m also happy to report that my state rep and senator are the ones pushing for legalization. (Chicago’s North Side — about as blue as it gets.)

        • Reality.Bites

          Right, you’re on the great lake that’s all in the US and looks like a penis.

      • Silver Badger

        Nebraska and Oklahoma are making a mint busting innocent travelers from Colorado.

  • Robert K Wright

    There is an approximate fee of $15.00 per purchase, a state tax and local taxes on the weed. Best option is to keep your medical card if you have one, as you will only have to pay the approximate fee of $15.00. Medical users are exempt from the other taxes. There is currently only one licensed recreational outlet here in Palm Springs as of today. Dessert Organic outside of town. Do your reading on it, and what the new regulations are. You’re also limited as to how much you can buy at any given time. About an ounce of flower and less of concentrate.

  • Reality.Bites

    OT: We’re all mortal, of course, so I mean no disrespect when I ask what they’ll call Dick Clark’s New Year’s Rockin’ Eve with Ryan Seacrest when Ryan Seacrest dies?

    The photo below is one Disqus wouldn’t let me upload yesterday. I made the comment that it’s nice when they translate the labels for you.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dc7c9302f918f2d8ffdadee89dd9f5b44731eb4c29605be552e1603492b58494.png

    • -M-

      Dick Clark’s New Year’s Rockin’ Eve without Ryan Seacrest? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

  • Reality.Bites

    OT: How close a relative of yours could he eat and still be forgiven?

    https://78.media.tumblr.com/4bcd9ea45f7a9193c5433d2423707213/tumblr_opm7ueA8D71uvv5gho1_1280.png

    • Silver Badger

      I have a couple of brothers he could have in a heartbeat.

  • Lawerence Collins

    I was there in September and was able to purchase cannabis without issue. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7e2001344c1e3a9aa2ed0731ddcb6192b190ccaccd4e02433252a8d3243c374d.jpg

  • colo303

    Good for you Cali!

    Greetings from Colorado

  • Acronym Jim

    This news deserves a big thank you to Brownie Mary and her becoming the Florence Nightingale of the plague years. Mary Jane Rathbun’s legacy lives on.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownie_Mary

  • If you’re interested in autoflowers hit me up. We’ve been growing for over ten years, have top strains and each plant flowers within 3-4 months. THC levels 20-28%. Easy to grow in a sunny window, programmed to flower 90-120 days. A quick shot of a winter crop now being harvested: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c545053540e4b07886d229a0ca26fcbff90a1e2e6e8c86d8230237d97b1f1f30.png

  • Hank
    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      For me, it’s sativa all the way.

  • SoCalVet

    huh, 39.5 million people, 39% tax. This is one fucked up new law.

  • JCF

    The first time I’m out in public, and smell that STINK…expect to hear me kvetch about it (and I did vote for legalization—but still have my concerns re stoner etiquette).

  • nocadrummer

    I fully expect that, with it being legal, we’ll start seeing pot stores pop up like nail salons in the Castro. We seem to have at least one in every block.

  • DesertSun59

    The legalization of HARMLESS weed aside, each and every day my state becomes more and more like a Scandinavian nation and further from the rest of the US.

    And I like it that way.

    • LosFelizGuy

      Yup. I can’t be prouder of California right now. We’ve kicked some ass this year.

  • Robin Bailey

    Buddha knows best.

  • Robin Bailey
  • leastyebejudged

    Legal weed is truly a life altering event.

    Now if we could just get the medical community to stop dragging it’s ass.

    • Daveed_WOW

      dragging its ass on what?

  • netxtown

    I don’t care if i get tagged as ‘fuddy-duddy’ – but i don’t get high, and I don’t get drunk. Yes, there was a time about 30 years ago when i did – but my personal take on it yielded no value to me. And yes, i do have a “policy” of zero tolerance at my own home – but hey, that is a privilege of home ownership! And no ya can’t plant the shit out back… When the cops come, they don’t exactly care who planted it. (Bear in mind it pisses me off to find a beer can tossed from the road!)

    That said, i have no concerns about medicinal use – until that use turns into abuse under the guise of medicinal use. Whether it’s alcohol or pot – there will always be those fools who just can’t (or won’t) keep it under control. In some cases, they build a dependency – not addiction – to relaxing or enjoying friends. In other words they have skipped right past medicinal use to abuse. And therein – I become the fuddy duddy who doesn’t want the shit on my property.

    I spent way, way too many years dealing with an alcoholic – always hoping and thinking it would get better. Well, when they have no intention of control – then fools like me get to pickup the pieces. I’ve watched as various drugs killed my youngest brother. And I’ve seen another relative dependent on pot lose it all and move into his parents garage.

    My grandmother was a tee-totaler – and maybe that’s where I get it from. But I tend to agree with Sheldon that the brain is the one organ ya just don’t fuck with.