It Was George Papadopoulos’ Drunken Bragging About Russian Dirt On Hillary That Prompted FBI Investigation

The New York Times reports:

During a night of heavy drinking at an upscale London bar in May 2016, George Papadopoulos, a young foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign, made a startling revelation to Australia’s top diplomat in Britain: Russia had political dirt on Hillary Clinton.

About three weeks earlier, Mr. Papadopoulos had been told that Moscow had thousands of emails that would embarrass Mrs. Clinton, apparently stolen in an effort to try to damage her campaign.

Exactly how much Mr. Papadopoulos said that night at the Kensington Wine Rooms with the Australian, Alexander Downer, is unclear. But two months later, when leaked Democratic emails began appearing online, Australian officials passed the information about Mr. Papadopoulos to their American counterparts, according to four current and former American and foreign officials with direct knowledge of the Australians’ role.

Axios reports:

Contrary to the idea that Papadopoulos was a low-level staffer, he helped arrange a meeting between Trump and Egypt’s President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, and “continued for months” to set up a meeting with Russian representatives, “keeping senior campaign advisers abreast of his efforts.”

He edited the outline of Trump’s foreign policy speech in April, in which he said improved relations with Russia was a possibility for the U.S. Papadopoulos told his Russia contacts it “should be taken as ‘the signal to meet.'”

The Russia investigation was “propelled by intelligence from other friendly governments, including the British and Dutch.”

The New York Daily News reports:

The revelation that a member of the Trump campaign may have had inside information about the hack was the driving factor behind the FBI’s investigation — not, as Trump and his supporters have alleged, a salacious dossier compiled by a former British spy.

The U.S. intelligence community has determined Russia interfered in the presidential election, although Trump has cast doubt on the determination and called the federal probe a “witch hunt.” Papadopoulos, meanwhile, has been described by Trump officials as a low-level volunteer and a “coffee boy.”

  • bkmn

    Donald Trump continues his long time practice of hiring the BEST people, the smartest people.*

    * except for legal help because no lawyer with any positive reputation wants him as a client.

    • Ray Taylor

      Donnie does not pay anyone. Its a princepale of his. Lawers work for free if you’re the president.
      Misspellings intentale

  • Lazycrockett
    • Todd20036

      The writers of the Simpsons were so philosophical.

      • Lantor

        Must have been the Conan years (/snark /not snark)

  • Gregory In Seattle

    In vino veritas.

  • PickyPecker

    But….but……I was told he was a ‘low-level volunteer.’

    • Todd20036

      He certainly had low level alcohol tolerance.

    • That_Looks_Delicious

      Just a covfefe boy.

    • Buford

      … and a cheap date.

      • clay

        You say that like there’s something wrong with being thrifty!

        • Buford

          No judgment… just saying that if you get some wine into this guy, he’s a hoot!

    • JT

      Yes, very low level. He spent all his time on his knees.

  • BlackGayVeganAtheist
  • Joe in PA

    Can’t wait for the Fox News’ spin on this. Bwahahahaha.

  • Todd20036

    Trump only hires the best people.

    Seriously, as corrupt as Nixon was, at least he had the sense to keep his mouth shut.

    • Lazycrockett

      The last couple of months in Office Nixon was a raging alcoholic.

      • Todd20036

        Trump is still in his first months of office, and he’s a raging non-alcoholic

        • bkmn

          Alcohol and chronic syphilitic dementia are not a good combination.

        • Danieruw

          The rest of us are becoming raging alcoholics, though!

      • David Walker

        I wonder if Pat shared her secrets about how to drink lots and lots but look near-sober? Who was the other drunk? Martha something, I think. Wife of a cabinet member who’d make lots and lots of night-time drunken calls. Shoot. Can’t remember her last name. Mitchell? Martha Mitchell. “She was a good woman,” as Emory said to defend Maria Montez on “Boys in the Band.”

        • Lazycrockett

          Kitty got into the rubbing alcohol.

        • TuuxKabin

          “Misguided Missile” was a play about Martha Mitchell. Estelle Parsons played the part to the ‘T’.

          • David Walker

            Lord, the things you miss when you’re not in the city. Just the combination of Estelle playing Martha is intoxicating.

          • TuuxKabin

            It was. Really was. It was put on about the time, a little bit after, New York Magazine did a cover of a ‘made over’ Martha Mitchell. She was glamorous, a true southern beauty. It was exciting, tickets in hand, people gathered around the box office asking, ‘spare ticket?’ Remember her reaction when she was handed the oscar? She nearly dropped it and blurted out, “it’s so heavy.” A natural, Estelle. Then there was the time we got to see Eartha Kitt play her original role from the “New Faces 195 . . . ?? Same New Faces Paul Lynne was ‘featured’ in. But, pasta needs attention. Tell ya’ later if you feel like it. Happy New Year. I’m practicing my toast to you all for the New Year.

          • Ray Taylor

            Nothing worse than overcooked pasta. You go girl.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        Really? I had heard many times about all the pills but not especially about any drinking.

        The person who was habitually drunk and played a parallel role to Papadopoulos in Watergate was Martha Mitchell.

        • TCinBerkeley

          I remember her on the talk shows at that time. I was about 10 and my fav Grandfather was pro-Nixon (no one else in the family was) and he LOATHED her. I never heard him say such awful things about a woman before or after.

    • jeffg166

      Except on tape.

  • BlackGayVeganAtheist
  • PickyPecker
  • Slippy_World
  • Lazycrockett
  • safari

    Everyone knows that if you do something when you’re drunk, it doesn’t count.

    • clay

      Tell that to my ex.
      (No, wait, tell that to me about my ex. I guess I’m getting over him if I caught keep straight why I left.)

  • Cuberly Deux

    Well, so far the trolling I’m seeing consists of further minimizing Papadopolous’ role. Sounds like the reaction will be; “Yeah, right drunk gossip kicks off a whole FBI investigation, stoopid libs, deep state, blah blah…”

    But alas, this development is youuuuge. Can’t wait to see what the traitorous Florida Reps come up with now.

    • Joe in PA

      Thanks for the reporting from the front lines. 🙂

      Seriously, I get verklempt just from Mediaite commenters. 🙁

      • Cuberly Deux

        Thursday on Mediaite there was a copy/paste alt-righter posting some really nasty anti-semitic and homophobic bs on pretty much any thread they could find.

        I’m really astounded at how toxic it is over there. I know I shouldn’t be but it truly is astounding.

    • SoCalGal20

      Don’t leave out the traitorous CA Reps. 😉

      • Cuberly Deux

        I’d so love to see the kompromat they have on Nunez. It’s gotta be youuuge.

        • SoCalGal20

          LOL somebody must havesomething on him, no doubt.

        • JCF

          I’m guessing the only “youuuge” thing on Nunez. ;-x

          • Cuberly Deux

            Ewww…lol….yeah, I don’t want an image in my head of his lil nunez.

  • JCF
    • safari

      I remember something about emails.

    • Todd20036

      Would it really have made a difference?

      Trump raping a kid certainly didn’t

    • Halou

      Because her emails!!!1!

    • Cuberly Deux

      The NYTs was much to busy taking their sexism & conspiracy theory talking points from Donnie’s campaign.

    • This is how journalism works. They write about and publish what they have right now, not what wasn’t known 12-18 months ago.

      • JCF

        There you go being a (banned word alert!) “evidence-based” buzzkill, Becca…

        • Yep, those cold buckets of ice water truths sure suck when they get dumped on oneself.

      • clay

        Mediate was attacked by the press for releasing the Steele Dossier without confirming its points with at least two independent sources.

    • clay

      “We must protect the sanctity of the electoral proce–
      Oh, fuck it.”

  • Lazycrockett
  • PickyPecker
    • Leo

      Krysten Ritter. What a talent. Which she was bigger.

      • Lazycrockett

        It was an awesome show. damn shame.

        • KnownDonorDad

          She was great in Breaking Bad, too.

      • Tread

        She’s amazing as Jessica Jones.

    • GanymedeRenard

      Paging Ms. Anastasia Beaverhousen…

  • Michael R
    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Colludles?
      I see three poison skittles.

    • McSwagg

      Rub-a-dub-dub,
      Three “men” (cough, cough) in a tub …

  • Halou
  • Lazycrockett
  • JohnJay

    Whenever I hear Papadopoulos, I think of this song, except with this name inserted.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6XAVi1btW0

    • canoebum

      My favorite show when I was a kid.

  • SoCalGal20

    Congressional Republicans are going to have to come up with some other bullshit excuse to trash the FBI because the dossier line has been totally undermined by this story LOL. Anybody paying attention to the dossier story has known all the along the FBI investigation did not start with, nor was it dependent on, the dossier but this NYT story puts it out there prominently.

    • Cuberly Deux

      Yeah but the dossier was the only way to tie the whole investigation back to the Hillz campaign. Those evil dastardly Dems ya know….

      But they’ll come up with something. They’ve already tried distracting with the Hillz campaign, the dossier, the leaks re; the investigations….anything to stop talking about the investigations.

  • Canadian Observer

    In vino veritas

  • Richard, another Canuck

    The story gets even more complicated. The Russians also hacked the RNC but we haven’t heard much of this. Well it is being suggested now that the Russians have given this info to Trump and he is now getting the RNC to follow in lockstep as Trump is blackmailing congress critters.

    • SoCalGal20

      Honestly, I think many of the current Rs are craven sociopaths in their own right and don’t need Trump blackmailing them to try to make the most of their current situation. And I don’t know how much RNC dirt Trump may be leveraging v. threatening people with making things difficult in their home states, like what he’s doing with the Amtrak project in NY/NJ. However, if blackmail can be added to his list of criminal offenses I’m certainly not going to complain.

    • I actually believe this is quite likely now.

    • DumbHairyApe

      THAT makes a lot of sense as to why so many are marching lockstep with him.

    • bkmn

      I have also seen lots of speculation that even before Trump rose to power that the GOP was laundering money for Russian crime syndicates, and keeping a nice percentage for themselves. That could also be a big reason they do not want to turn on him.

  • Cuberly Deux

    So right now on MSNBC they’ve already dug up a former trump campaign staffer claiming Papadapolous was a low level flunkie that only had a seat at the table that one time. For that one picture apparently.

    I guess their strategy is to hope people don’t actually read the NYT article and see how it details many interactions w/ Papadapolous.

    • Treant

      It was a kiddie table, really. The big kids were just visiting for that photo op. Barely anybody knew Georgie.

      Yeah, spin doesn’t fly too well in court, not that Congress will ever do jack shit.

      • Cuberly Deux

        Talk about an email account where you want to see the CCs and the BCCs.

        Georgie’s got some dirt….heh heh heh….

    • another_steve

      MSNBC is complicit there – giving voice to a lying Trump shill.

      CNN was in that business during the campaign. Remember Kellyanne Cuntway? She was a regular on CNN.

      Blood on the networks’ hands.

      • Cuberly Deux

        To be fair, the segment on MSNBC didn’t go particularly well for the Trumpist. Even his body language came across like he didn’t believe what he was being charged with saying.

  • another_steve

    Ho-hum. Typical drunk Greek boy.

  • R W C

    Loose lips sink ships but they are super helpful for size queens.

    • safari

      I thought that was a loose jaw.

      • R W C

        LOL
        First things first

      • Tread

        You mean trick jaw.

      • McSwagg

        Isn’t that where the Palins live? Oh, wait! That’s Moose Jaw.

  • coram nobis

    In vino veritas.

    • safari

      Amen

    • Treant

      Hundreds of grapes died to save America. Honor their sacrifice.

      • OdieDenCO

        I’ll drink to that!

    • AJ Drew

      In nimio mero mors

    • GanymedeRenard

      Gratias agimus tibi.

    • JT

      In wino bare it alls.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    LOL, this entire klan would be hilarious AF if it weren’t for the fact their fuckery affects us.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    What exactly was in his coffee anyway ??

  • jeffg166

    Loose lips sink shits.

  • coram nobis

    Fun coincidence: Col. Giorgios Papadopoulos headed our junta in Athens during the late 1960s.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgios_Papadopoulos

  • Blake J Butler

    So now the democrats in my resistance group are boo-hooing because they realize Franken is leaving and not staying taking his resignation back, when he didn’t get his due process, while a bunch of them wanted him to go because of mob rule from the senate democrats and believed that the allegations against him deserved for him to resign on the spot without investigation first.

    They literally self inflicted this, and now we have to support Tina Smith for senate next year, and do a straight line ticket, cause now they are talking about trying to get Franken to run again as an independent, while republicans are trying to court Pawlenty to run for senate. The independent bid is unlikely but still, more potential self inflicted wounds as consequences, did anyone not learn about voting third party last year and where those votes actually would go to help ? it wasn’t the democrats who got help but their opponents who benefited from protest votes.

    • Even the progressive Dems have some less-than-sharp knives in the drawer.

    • canoebum

      ” it wasn’t the democrats who got help but their opponents who benefited from protest votes.”
      So it has always been. You’d think after Nader people would have learned. They didn’t. Only the purist of the pure will do for some people, even if it means the worst of the worst get into office as a consequence.

      • Blake J Butler

        And that’s the problem with Minnesota politics and American politics in general, yes some dem candidates are bad, but third party votes will not get you anywhere, and republicans will not work for you they always put party before country. An example i used is Pawlenty’s second term bid in 2006 for governor, he won with 46 percent of the vote, his democratic opponent lost with 45.4 percent meanwhile the third party candidate siphoned 6.4 percent of the vote.

        That was the democratic wave in 2006, we are on track for another one next year, and things like what happened in Minnesota that year can happen if people throw their votes away on a candidate that has a shot in hell of winning.

        • canoebum

          Kirsten Gillibrand has lost my support for all time. I want to see her draw a primary challenger next time around. What they did to Franken was a crime.

          • Tread

            She sure has been quiet about Donald Trump resigning, hasn’t she? Her constituents on her Facebook page fill up every post of hers with how she has lost their support. Democrats really have no idea how to play this game at all.

    • another_steve

      If Democrats continue to take the highroad and play nice, they’ll never be in the majority again. The days of the “high road” prevailing are over. Shame on Pelosi for orchestrating Franken’s ouster without a thorough investigation of his accusers.

      What 2016 and Donald Trump taught us is that we are in an age of brutal cutthroat politics.

      Adapt or die.

  • another_steve

    Unrelated, but lovely:

    Just when I think he’s foolish and childish
    And I want him to be manly
    I catch my fool and my child
    Needing love and understanding

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtzCbHp3uAU

    • Dazzer

      Lovely. Thanks Steve.

  • coram nobis

    And much as Wine has play’d the Infidel,
    And robb’d me of my Robe of Honour–Well,
    I wonder often what the Vintners buy
    One half so precious as the stuff they sell.
    — Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam

    http://classics.mit.edu/Khayyam/rubaiyat.html

  • Mike C

    The best people.

    • Cuberly Deux

      Hmmm, from the article is claims the FBI was being super secretive re; the investigation, in fact that was a sticking point with a lot of Dems. That it wasn’t made public.

      Unless maybe the Russian’s tipped the campaign off or something? I don’t know.

    • DumbHairyApe

      Trump is all about revenge.

      • Chucktech

        And vanity.

        • Robincho

          That’s odd, since he has absolutely nothing to be vain about…

          • Todd20036

            Doesn’t matter. He thinks he’s gorgeous and his suckups agree

        • northern_neighbour

          Waiting for the Bonfire, and hopefully at the melt-down point some Schadenfreude before the painful road back … if there is even going to be a road back.

          Fingers crossed, hopes low/medium.

    • JCF

      Apparently the Australians informed the FBI? [We’ll know when Drumpf tweets something nasty about Australia. Oh, maybe THAT was the reason Drumpf got all pissy w/ the Australian PM almost a year ago? https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/no-gday-mate-on-call-with-australian-pm-trump-badgers-and-brags/2017/02/01/88a3bfb0-e8bf-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?utm_term=.ac227fa17dee ]

      • DaddyRay

        Are we thinking that he became privy to the information when he became president

      • lymis

        Oh, good catch! Probably!

      • Sporkfighter

        Naw…he’ll tweet shit about Austria.

    • Seriously. There’s a pattern. Donald and his gang likely were briefed on what happened when.

      https://twitter.com/mrjoeaston/status/838458717787975680

      • Juvela Bumblebee

        Hmmm… foreign travel through LAX is not looking so bad to me now. I hope he bites, grunts, and roars… oh dear, the vapors, the vapors.

        • Todd20036

          You are an incorrigible slut.

          Have we met yet?

          • earlier this month the man and I traveled to Hawaii, at one airport we were both pulled out for a “random” search with full pat down..afterwards Mike said to me “Did he touch your di…”
            “Yes” I interrupted, “Twice!”

          • Juvela Bumblebee

            It is quite possible… if you are similarly incorrigible.

        • clay

          There was that time at O’Hare that I had to go through the metal detector, and the back-scatter Xray, and get wanded, and then felt-up by a guy who looked similar (but with a week’s worth of beard). I couldn’t complain about it since I was flagging white, left, at the time.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            If he had seen your hanky, I doubt he would have bothered with all the foreplay! 😉

      • Cattleya1

        I cannot upvote a report of out government carrying out vindictive tactics against a senior representative of a major ally, but thanks for the heads up! I presume Mr. Mueller is on top of this.

      • Robincho

        This looks like the first frame of what could turn out to be a VERY interesting “blue” movie, as they used to say…

      • Jay Silversmith

        The irony is that the aliens aren’t the only ones shoving stuff up our butts.

      • Buford

        The other pattern is that we have one group of people who, upon hearing about Russia’s meddling in the US election, found it troubling and informed the authorities… and we have another group of people who either have lied about it, helped facilitate it, or at the very least ignored it.

        The latter group is running our government as we speak.

      • Michael R
        • Statistics Palin

          Yep, that’s his dick.

        • Mb

          Is there a news story about this anywhere on the web? I would love to read what they say was the reason for this “search.”

        • Phillip in L.A.

          Is that how they do a ‘pat-down’ nowadays?

    • KaBoomBOX

      Dots are being connected.

      • Lars Littlefield

        Unfortunately, heads have yet to roll.

        • clay

          Maybe the dots will form a “cut here” line around their necks?

  • Taylor Bixler
    • Treant

      I tend to be a bit slow on the trigger, so to speak, when drunk, so I’m actually better sober.

      Oh. You meant… Yeah.

  • SoCalGal20

    Baby cannon! This twitter thread has excerpts of the NYT story that Benjamin Wittes felt were of particular note.

    https://twitter.com/benjaminwittes/status/947189344133107713

    • Reality.Bites

      Shouldn’t a baby cannon be one that is fired at or by babies, or possibly uses babies as ammunition?

      • Hue-Man

        Similar problem with the expression “baby food”.

        • The restaurants never serve real baby back ribs, no matter how nicely you ask.

      • clay

        made out of babies?

  • Lazycrockett
  • JCF
  • shellback

    I hope to hell someone goes to prison/guillotine pretty soon. I’m running out of patience.

  • j.martindale

    One thing that remains striking to me is that the e-mails that were unearthed had virtually NO effect on the election. The worst thing it showed was that some people in the Democratic National Committee supported Clinton as opposed to her Independent opponent. And the willingness of the tRump people to act against the interests of America for a political victory will most likely bring about their downfall. One can only hope.

    • safari

      I disagree. Had the emails not been an issue, there’d only be more coverage of Donald and his instability and Comey wouldn’t have made his report to Congress two weeks prior to the election. The latter act alone caused Hillary to lose.

      • JCF

        I think j. martindale is talking about the CONTENT of the emails.

        • safari

          We got a recipe or two out of them.

      • AC

        FFS, keep up! The e-mails Comey was investigating have nothing whatsoever to do with the hacked DNC e-mails that j.martindale mentions in his comment.

        • Tread

          Why don’t you fuck off with your bullshit.

    • Tulle Christensen

      Ah yes the horrors of supporting an actual Democrat instead of an Independent running on the Democratic ticket

    • Cuberly Deux

      To your point, the emails were uneventful but a distraction. They were so mundane the far right had to concoct the Pizzagate consipiracy….which actually got some air time on Hannity. Not to mention how they tried to tie the emails as being leaked by Seth Rich. Hillz totes killed him ya know….

      The right ran with the crazy and it got a lot of coverage.

      • clay

        a timely distraction– to diffuse bad Trump news

        • Cuberly Deux

          Yep, SQUIRREL!

          That’s all it was….

    • Skeptical_Inquirer

      Most business emails including the DNC ones are boring. It just makes me wonder if the GOP email about serial killings and human experimentation.

  • GanymedeRenard
  • SoCalGal20

    I feel like once the full story comes out George Papadopoulos is going to be the gift that keeps on giving in this whole thing. He wasn’t just a “volunteer” or nameless “coffee boy”.

    • Lantor

      You know lil Georgie is singing like a canary to get as little jail time in the minimum big house.

      • Reality.Bites

        Plus we now know he sings like a canary for the price of a drink from an Australian.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Ah yes, Liquor…both causing dastardly deeds and undoing the deeds of men for millennia.

    • AJ Drew

      Or just somehow promoted madness… King George III… Nero… (ahem…)

  • Tomcat

    Man these coffee boys sure are into a lot of collusion.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Clearly, she’s a cheap drunk.

  • coram nobis

    It was too many Irish covfefes.

    • AJ Drew

      Oddly, in a sycophantic attempt to appeal to DT, it was a whipped Shamrock Shake atop a pulverized Big Mac that was the culprit.

      • Lars Littlefield

        That made immediately spilchus in my genechtagazoink.

    • GanymedeRenard

      More Jameson than covfefe, actually.

  • Henry Auvil

    “Coffee boy” sounds racistly sexist.

    • coram nobis

      They’re the richest kind, as Mrs. Olsen would say. Mountain grown.

      • Treant

        Or, as we used to chant in Junior High when that came on TV, “Mount ‘n’ Groan!”

        It wasn’t until several years later that I…but never mind. That’s more of a night crew story.

    • Tulle Christensen

      Coffee kid?

      • kanehau

        Covfefe Kid.

  • Cuberly Deux

    I can see the movie title now.

    My Big Fat Drunk Greek Stool Pigeon.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Lantor

      Yeah, good thing the swamp is being drained and all.

      • Treant

        It is, but it turns out the swamp is money and it’s being drained right into the Administration’s pockets.

    • Treant

      I’m sure Congress will get right on that. I mean, seriously, the average Congresscritter grifts more than that in a week.

    • another_steve

      It’s clear to any sane observer that the entire Trump Administration is one gigantic criminal enterprise. Their mob boss is headquartered in the Oval Office of the White House.

      No hyperbole here: This is all one gigantic criminal enterprise.

      • Chucktech

        but hes stikin it to the libtords

      • Helen Damnation™

        And the god damn Republicans don’t seem to care AT ALL!

        • Todd20036

          No. The 30% or so who still love him only care that white male christian privilege is in vogue again

          In others words Nazis don’t care, and the only 2 groups the repubs care about are Nazis and the super wealthy

          • Chris Gardner

            “We didn’t agree with some things Herr Hitler was doing but at least he kept the trains running on schedule!”

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        • Tom Furgas

          The WILL care next year when their seats in the House and Congress are threatened by Democrats due to their association with those criminal bastards. THEN they will do something about it; demand that Trump resign or begin impeachment proceedings.

          • Galvestonian

            That all depends on whether the elections are going to be fair and legal. What happened in the 2016 POTUS election ? Pray that it doesn’t happen again.

          • geoffalnutt

            HACKITY, HACKITY, HACKITY…And no one is doing a goddam thing about it. This time next year Somalia will seem like a superpower compared to us.

        • Galvestonian

          Hell, it’s obvious that they really don’t give a good Gawd Damn – The Republican Party in this country can only get elected by hook or by crook. They are determined to cut hundreds of thousands of eligible voters off of the voter rolls, they conveniently arrange for polling centers in certain areas to be understaffed or have inoperable voting machines. It’s a tossup whether they actually don’t hack any computers to effect voter tallies ( I think they do – not everywhere but in some areas ) – Political ads that are outright lies and disinformation regarding the Democrats are everywhere. They promise the moon but deliver nothing but benefits for the boys that pay for the lobbyists – the billionaires and the mega corporations… and in this peculiar administrations favor – sell out the country to the Russians for money & power and possibly the destruction of any government agencies that mattered. The Republican Party is just non-American. It’s the Party of GREED.

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    • AJ Drew

      Nothin’ says one has arrived like adopting Moore’s bespoke wardrobe choices.

      • Buford

        ‘Pew-pew-pew’!

    • Cuberly Deux

      He and his wife sure are having a fun time on our dime.

    • Cattleya1

      Notice the black hat.

    • Robincho

      Zinke, he stinke…

    • JWC

      another GOP tit in a cowboy hat

  • Michael R
  • Lars Littlefield

    In honor of the drunken coffee boy, we will dine on drunken roast picnic shoulder of pork (using half a bottle of good rose instead of water or chicken stock in bottom of roasting pan. Slow roasted, it should be perfect in about 4 hours. Separately roasted winter vegetable medley (chunks of butternut squash, broccoli and baby gold potatoes) for a side dish. Home made tarte tatin for dessert (usingthe chilled apples found on the ground this morning. 🙂

    Wish me luck.

    • AJ Drew

      Wish you luck? Noooo, invite us over!

    • clay

      Gratin of butternut squash, chestnuts, and Jarlsberg cheese, with maple sausage and kale cooked with onion relish. The drink of the evening is a Bourbon-barrel stout mixed with apple cider.

  • Natty Enquirer

    So where does this get us in terms of prosecution? I’m waiting to hear evidence that the campaign took part in planning or executing the theft, which was a crime under the Stored Communications Act.

    • clay

      It at least gets us up to a third instance of the Trump campaign not just talking about receiving foreign aid, but actually receiving it. Not that the FEC is going to do anything about that.

  • Cuberly Deux

    HA! Did he mouth off to the wrong diplomat or what.

    https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/947159421725102080

    • another_steve

      Well, all gay men of a certain age have at one time or the other gotten in trouble for chatting up the wrong guy.

      When you’re sloshed, they all seem nice and reasonable.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        That, and youth/inexperience.

        I still vividly remember the first time I saw photos of Jeffrey Dahmer my immediate reaction was “Aw, he’s cute” and telling my friends “If I lived in Milwaukee, my head would probably be in his fridge.”

        • another_steve

          Hear ya. In my day I was occasionally…hmm…less than careful regarding my hookups.

          I had a good policy though; I always introduced my tricks (do the young ones use that term these days?) to my regular bar friends before leaving the bar with said trick.

          The understood message was this: “Take a careful look at him, please. If the papers report my death in a day or two, remember his face.”

        • Reality.Bites

          I don’t know what his personality was like, but if he was able to come across as non-sketchy and was outgoing he’d have an easy time meeting victims.

          Interestingly, while in recent years I’ve always followed the “meet for coffee in a public place” formula, I made an exception for my first date with my boyfriend, which was him bringing a bottle of wine to my place after a couple of days of chatting online.

      • JCF

        At least w/ you guys, you’re either Right or Wrong. Oy vey, women: FAR more complicated! In the immortal words of Tom Robbins (NB: I read this book when I first came out, and still love it. YMMV. “Even Cowgirls Get the Blues.”)

        “Between a man and a woman it’s yes or no. With women, it’s always maybe. One mistake and the other runs away.”

        https://books.google.com/books?id=8UlJX7zkFqYC&pg=PT167&lpg=PT167&dq=tom+robbins+even+cowgirls+get+the+blues+women+always+maybe&source=bl&ots=qY_3DXkS5h&sig=9UQjpEaYeygzIFy75Fu6oWB-sUE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi1nI2H3LLYAhWE6yYKHZ0ZB_AQ6AEIYjAO#v=onepage&q=tom%20robbins%20even%20cowgirls%20get%20the%20blues%20women%20always%20maybe&f=false

        • another_steve

          Lol. You and I have discussed this before, JCF. 😉

          Emotional and sexual lust work different in men than in women. I’m a fairly absolutist biological evolutionist and believe that the differences serve evolutionary/species survival purposes.

          • JCF

            I’m afraid your absolutism won’t cover a genderqueer like Yours Truly, a_s. [And of course it’s arguable whether it covers gays. There is the theory that if a woman has gay brothers, she has more (surviving) children, but that’s as far as it goes.]

          • another_steve

            Some are gifted with it all. With all of nature’s gifts and graces.

            Gender is not a “this or that” thing. I’ve previously described myself as “internally gender-neutral.” I’m attracted on all levels to males, but internally I feel neither male nor female. I don’t understand what it means to “feel male” vs “feel female.”

            It’s all good.

            Whatever we are internally is good.

          • AJ Drew

            Well, as the King James original version says, “Go Forth And Spread Yourself!” (interpret as you will.)

        • AJ Drew

          And gawd hep y’all if there is a second date and renting a U-Haul. /s

        • Michael White

          ahhhh the ’70s and California philosophy.

    • safari
  • Slippy_World
  • DaddyRay
    • AJ Drew

      “And no glasses, you know I prefer to drink directly from the bottles!”

    • AmeriCanadian

      What movie is this scene from? (I know…bad gay for not knowing).

    • Karl Dubhe 2

      Hope those weren’t leaded glass decanters. 🙂

      • AJ Drew

        meh, that concern is for children. By the point an adult has a maid wheeling in liters of alcohol, it hardly matters!

        • Karl Dubhe 2

          Both of my parents suffered mental decline in their senior years, I think their sherry , stored in a leaded decanter, contributed to that.

          Not the cause, but perhaps one of them.

    • Henry Auvil

      That’s exactly the gesture I make when my maid rolls in the drinks cart each day at 4:45.

    • Lars Littlefield

      I do believe that is Eileen Heckart getting so giddy about the drunk cart.

      • JCF

        I was trying to remember her name. Ding, ding, ding!

  • Tread

    I seriously hope the CIA and FBI are withholding the juiciest bits of our foreign intelligence from Trump. I can see him getting kicked out of office and offering them up to the highest bidder.

  • BJORN RAGNVALDR
  • Blake J Butler
  • DaddyRay
  • Harveyrabbit
  • DaddyRay
    • AJ Drew

      Yeah, but, what happens next? /s

      • clay

        Bearded Daddy tilts his head back, pushes out his lower jaw, and takes the cock’s slipper’s contents.

        • AJ Drew

          oooh, the slipper is full of bitcoins, got it!

  • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

    In vino veritas

    Edit: Oops, sorry Gregory in Seattle!

    I shoulda scrolled….

  • Karl Dubhe 2

    In vino dumbass.

  • DaddyRay
    • JT

      He really should pour that directly on his assets.

      • Tread

        Body shots!

    • AJ Drew

      It’s the eyebrow. I don’t need the alcohol. He’s got me at the eyebrow.

      • another_steve

        I’m a complete sucker for male eyebrows. The first thing I notice in a man (on a physical level) are his eyes and his eyebrows. The boy in your gif has perfect eyebrows.

        I suffer from thyroid disease and for some sufferers, the eyebrows are a casualty, so to speak.

        I used to try to enhance mine with makeup, but I’ve embraced what I’ve been given naturally, and no longer do that.

        • Cattleya1

          I don’t have thyroid disease and mine are falling out… Maybe it is a Yid thing.

          • another_steve

            You know, my friend, that certain of we Jews have been found to be susceptible to certain genetic diseases. Recent studies reveal a genetic link among Ashkenazi Jews to colorectal cancer. Who knows what else, yet undiscovered, lurks out there.

            Be brave and be tested.

            We can all of us do only what we can do.

    • TominDC

      Only the red label??

      • DaddyRay

        Sometimes a mans got to do what a mans got to do

  • JT

    Pheromones, hmm. Should I get the ones for men, or the ones to attract men.

    • GanymedeRenard

      Yes.

      • JT

        Maybe I’ll mix and match.

  • Cuberly Deux

    Copied from a troll on Mediaite, sure enough, this is the narrative the rightist traitors are running with.

    “You cant get a warrant to spy on an American citizen based on some drunken hearsay dam these Trump hating liberals are about as ignorant as they come”

    “Just imagine going to a judge using that as evidence to get a warrant
    “see your honor someone drunk told some guy at a bar and that guy told us and that js why we are asking for a warrant” the judge would laugh at you then throw you out of his court”

    They REALLY want to discourage people from actually READING the NYTs piece.

    • edrex

      conveniently overlooking the fact that papadopolous wasn’t some random drunk dude, and the person he confided in wasn’t some random barfly, but a top diplomat. those “insignificant” details matter.

      • Cuberly Deux

        We also don’t know the exact details of what Georgie said.

        It’s a very damning piece, but the right-wing is going to do their darndest to distract from it.

      • -M-

        And that they investigated because his drunken bragging showed accurate knowledge of the email hack and the plan to use them to manipulate the political process.

    • SoCalGal20

      I love how people just make stuff up that sounds good to them because it justifies whatever bullshit they’ve concocted to justify whatever crap their side has done. It reminds me of tinhatters in fandom.

      • canoebum

        Anything that serves their hatred of minorities and “liberals” who believe we should have an actual society in this country that includes everyone. The notion that we should be responsible for each other drives them mad, until their trailer is overturned by a twister, then they complain the government isn’t doing enough to buy them a new one.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          Then many years later, many (not all) will be all “I was on the sane side all the time. Now don’t look up my internet past.”

      • Cuberly Deux

        Cast doubt and attack, cast doubt and attack, ignore the messy details and cast doubt and attack.

        Liberals as the most corrupt element in the US, but they sure as hell can’t provide evidence to that effect. Just blabber on about investigations that are done and closed as being corrupt.

        But then they’re looking for a reaction. I sure as hell stay away from engaging them. They made their crazy bed let em steep in it.

    • AJ Drew

      confront them with details (oh, like the “witness” was an ambassador, and P wasn’t in some random dive-bar, and, and, and…) and some shut down, some double-down to even more ridiculousness.

      • Cuberly Deux

        I learned long ago, never engage them. They want to suck you in. They’ll just fake discredit and attack you.

    • clay

      They should try that out– go to bar and start making drunken bablings about their plans to assassinate the president, vice-president, etc. and see if the FBI, Secret Service, and their own local authorities can’t get a search warrant.

      • Cuberly Deux

        I looked at the disqus account and all it is is posts about how libs are stupid to think the FBI should care about a drunk nobody. They sure want to spend a lot of time throwing that out there. Sad.

  • Vinnie NYC
    • AJ Drew

      Soooo wrong, and I do not at all approve. (ahem, upvote.)

    • djcoastermark

      How in the heck did you get my baby vids ?

      • AJ Drew

        [insert “yo momma joke” here]

        • djcoastermark

          My mom Loves her wine. She fed oops I mean taught me well. That kid looks like me when someone puts a glass of that in front of me to this day.

    • Lars Littlefield

      When I lived in Spain I was amused at how many parents I encountered who happily encouraged their babies and young children to drink wine. They had no trouble getting them to calm down and early to bed. 🙂

      • BearEyes

        we were allowed a glass of wine at family holiday dinners (xmas, Easter, etc.) starting about age 8. No other time, just holidays until we were later in our teens.

    • OdieDenCO

      liberal elite baby. real americans drink whisky distilled in their own backyards.

      • TCinBerkeley

        My grandparents (Mom’s side) kept a pitcher of Manhattans in the freezer for “unexpected company”. My sisters and I used to steal the maraschino cherries out of the glasses when folks weren’t looking and that is how I came to love bourbon.

  • Blake J Butler
  • greenmanTN

    Little Georgie the Greek
    Was a right wing freak
    But then got into his cups
    Coffee was his job
    They said with aplomb
    Yet they are still up Shit Creek!

    (Not one of my better efforts, but I’m in the middle of cooking.)

    • AJ Drew

      We accept your rhythmic variation. (but dinner better be… um, gustation!)

      • greenmanTN

        Pork, with leeks And tofu in spicy black bean sauce, so there! 😉

  • SoCalGal20

    Short, excellent thread on access journalism.

    https://twitter.com/hoarsewisperer/status/947234633766326272

    • JT

      Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee, the chairman of the Foreign Relations
      Committee, said in an appearance on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday
      that White House officials had reached out to reassure him that Mr.
      Kushner was willing to cooperate in the inquiry into possible collusion
      between the Russians and Trump aides. “He seems to be a very open
      person,” Mr. Corker said of Mr. Kushner. “I’d let him speak for himself
      when the time is right.”

      And Corker is supposed to be a Rethug who takes a dim view of the Drumpf regime?

  • Reality.Bites

    OT: Trump first president in 40 years not to visit Canada in first year in office.

    Thank you.

    https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/12/30/donald-trump-becomes-the-first-president-in-40-years-not-to-visit-canada-in-his-first-year.html

  • Harveyrabbit
  • Sam_Handwich
  • Max_1

    Covfefe boy… errand boy… probably someone’s pool boy too.

    • another_steve

      He reeks of a young guy who would get on his knees for anyone.

      • clay

        When I saw Joe’s headline, I thought the bar was going to be J.R.’s in D.C.

        • another_steve

          LMAO.

          Yes.

          Many a high-level male-on-male liaison is born at J.R.’s 😉

  • Mickey Bitsko

    Top that, John le Carré !

  • gaycuckhubby
  • billbear1961
  • safari
    • safari
      • Lars Littlefield

        HahHa!

    • safari
    • Cuberly Deux
      • safari

        I was at Stilettos in Inkster, MI. I was three sheets to the wind and sitting in the stage area. Then she appeared on stage. This large, gorgeous drag queen — wearing a teal onesie with only her face exposed and the Olympic logo embroidered across her ample bosoms. She was wearing a fruit basket on her head. I was enchanted.

        For her final act she came out wearing a stained hospital gown with her wig askew, her makeup smeared. Patsy Cline’s Crazy begins to play. As Patsy belts out “Crazy” our diva lipsinks while spitting up what I can only assume is a chocolate milkshake across the guests in the front audience.

        It was glorious.

        • Cuberly Deux

          OMG!…lol….

      • Hue-Man
        • Cuberly Deux

          Oooo, I’ll have to check that out. Thanks!

    • TuuxKabin

      zo bootch.

  • clay

    May 2016, right after Jr, Kushner, and Manafort had that meeting with the Kremlin lawyer and Donald immediately began citing the number “33,000” emails?

  • another_steve

    I have prepared a basement dungeon for Jared, where he’ll be well-fed and cared for.

    His bitch wife will not be allowed to visit him. Shiksa conniving bitch that she is.

  • safari

    Donald is also tweeting again about the unfair media. I just don’t have enough of a fuck to post it.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    It *feels* like everything in the Trump administration is falling apart, and yet nothing (arrests, indictments, impeachment, 25th amendment, etc.) seems to be happening. Trump gives yet another bonkers interview, bad enough to revive all the talk of demenita, and has been hidden away by his handlers and moving trucks “golfing” for most of the last week (5 days in a row now). Little by little, almost everything that has been rumored or anonymously-sourced for the last year and a half has been turning out to be true. The evidence just keeps piling up. (Gawd help us if in the end we have to admit that Louise Mensch was right all along!). FuxNoise just keeps lowering the bar and lowering the bar to try to jusify this to their zombies. Note that they tried out the “collusion isn’t a crime” excuse -and almost every excuse Trump has used- weeks or months before Trump himself started using them.

    In the end, it’s the GOP. It’s much bigger than Trump, and the GOP will not lift a finger to stop the corruption of democracy from which they themselves are the primary beneficiaries.

    • another_steve

      Next November, the Democrats will regain control of the House of Representatives. There will be impeachment hearings.

      Assuming the orange sexual predator hasn’t resigned by then.

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        I really do think his dementia is too far advanced to wait until November. Trump is insane, or at least cognitively impaired enough that he should not be running the U.S.A.

        • Skeptical_Inquirer

          Unfortunately, a lot of Americans’ role model seems to be The Joker from the Nolan Batman movies. They really do seem to get a boner from watching it all burn.

          • That_Looks_Delicious

            That’ll trigger them snowflakes when Trump blows up the world!

          • Skeptical_Inquirer

            Because that’ll make Jeebus come down and clean up the mess all by himself because at the core, evangelical Dumpsters want an all-powerful slave they can force to clean up their mess. Unfortunately, it’s not going to happen and if they’re unlucky, they’re going to end up watching their children die from radiation poisoning.

          • Cuberly Deux

            The wing-nut-welfare-industry cultivated all of this. Even the right-wing never-trumpers are coping to this.

            Just an opinion but I don’t think it’s sustainable. But it’s gonna get a hell of a lot worse for the GOP. They’re already factionalized.

        • another_steve

          He could run out of the White House at midnight in his underwear and declare himself King of the Jews, and the current Republican-controlled House of Representatives would not hold impeachment hearings.

          We must wait for November.

          • Karl Dubhe 2

            I still think there are potential avenues to getting rid of him, in a totally legal and moral way, much sooner than that.

            There’d better be, anyhow.

          • another_steve

            I don’t see the path, Karl, with the Rethugs in charge of both houses of Congress.

            I just don’t.

          • Karl Dubhe 2

            Medical issues, or Mueller laying charges on the whole lot of the gang of crooks.

            I hope for both. Still. Mad though I be.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        The problem is that the GOP has shown itself to have zero interest in its stated principles (any of them) or in giving a damn about national security at all. Getting rid of Dump is just surface treatment.

        Unless more Americans are more willing to call out the GOP including its base and its oligarch vampire supporters as monsters then we’re going to face this again, this time with a “Dump” with better self-control and a few more brain cells.

        • another_steve

          Love to you for “oligarch vampire supporters,” S_I.

          I’ve copied and pasted and intend to use in future comments.

  • Michael

    I’ve said it many times: Thank god for alcohol.

    • Lars Littlefield

      Friday and Saturday evenings are always somewhat amusing on JMG because so many seem to be three sheets to the wind. Anyway, it’s easy to pick out the drunkest of the bunch, poor dears.

    • another_steve

      I discovered the other day that Beefeater gin and apple juice, on the rocks, is a lovely drink.

      This will certainly reduce my life expectancy by five years, but what the heck.

      • Sam_Handwich

        i don’t care much for gin, but tolerate it best with grapefruit juice

        • another_steve

          JMG readers who are on meds need to be cognizant of studies that suggest adverse interactions of grapefruit juice with certain meds.

          If you’re on meds and consume grapefruit or grapefruit products, google for more info.

          • safari

            The interaction was discovered when a researcher used grapefruit to cover the taste of vodka in med trials. The purpose was to try to cover the alcohol to study how it affects drug users.

            When the results came back, both groups showed issues with metabolizing the medicine. And now we know.

          • Cuberly Deux

            Wow, all those interesting substances nature drops into things that have unintended consequences.

        • clay

          I prefer tequila with my grapefruit juice.

      • safari

        I’m told that a dash of biters cancels the liver damage.

        • Phillip in L.A.

          Only Angostura® bitters, though! The others make you die more quickly

          • safari

            So that bottle of campari I drank last week might put me on my death bed?

          • Phillip in L.A.

            No no, the ones that come in the small bottles–aromatic bitters, I think they are called

          • safari

            I’m thinking a brandy old fashioned tonight.

          • Phillip in L.A.
        • another_steve

          Lol. 😉

          For me, safari, it’s a quality of life thing. I can stop all alcohol intake (I’m not an alcoholic but I drink more than the recommended intake for adult males), or not. I choose “not.”

          I’ve discussed this with my husband, the love of my life.

          It’s important to me that he understand.

      • Cuberly Deux

        Oh lordy, can’t do the hard stuff. I’m such a lightweight. Can handle beer and wine but the minute it’s the vodkas, gins and everything else. Ugh….

        • another_steve

          Perfectly acceptable. Feel no shame. The man I’ve been with for 43 years – my husband – doesn’t do the hard liquors.

          Me – it’s Beefeater gin or death.

  • canoebum

    OT: Apparently there have been arrests in the Troy NY quadruple homicide.
    http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/2-arrested-in-killing-of-Troy-family-12463374.php

    • TuuxKabin

      I hope the right suspects. Isn’t there a teenage daughter afraid the killers would be going for her next? Horrible.

    • Lars Littlefield

      Looks like it may be In Cold Blood redux.

  • Michael R
    • safari

      I wish this was Mary punching Sue Anne.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      There is only one proper response to your comment, Sir!

      https://youtu.be/bpYTkavEt20

    • JCF

      Ooh, I have a couple great female slap GIFs, but it’s delightful to have a special one for the holidays! 😉

  • Henry Auvil

    Ten gross white men sitting around a table. I wouldn’t let one of them touch me, even with a ten-foot pole.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      What about the almost-Indian-looking guy, top-row-third-from-left? 🙂

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    I don’t want to be alarmist and I think a good chunk of even the current batch of scum wouldn’t want to go along with it and the various legal groups would immediately file an injunction against it but do you think Dump would ever try to declare martial law.

    • Gianni

      He can’t just declare Martial Law on any whim. There has to be a clear and present danger to the security of the country from outside or inside the borders. Other than that, it is against the law for the military to operate inside the country, let alone, be in control of civil law. Add to that, the Congress can disapprove it.

  • Ninja0980

    Alcohol, the best truth teller there is.

    • Cuberly Deux

      Ugh, aint that the truth. I had an ex that would get blotto and turn into a very mean nasty drunk. It was pretty awful.

      • JCF

        There was a great line a few weeks ago on Supergirl.

        Kara (aka Supergirl), to her heavily-drinking sister (human, adoptive) Alex (trying to forget her broken engagement to gf Maggie—see why I love this show?), who’s been sniping at Kara: “You’re turning into Mean Drunk, and I only signed up for Sad Drunk.” [After various flashbacks, the ep ended w/ some nice sisterly bonding. The Kara&Alex relationship has been the solid rock this show’s been built on since the beginning.]

  • Lazycrockett
    • Michael R

      That’s a shame , I really really liked her .
      ( yes . sarcasm )

    • safari

      Oh honey. You ain’t Martha.

    • SoCalGal20

      Has anybody in that family ever made a legit, above-board business deal?

      Also, lol, if she goes down for her very own money laundering scheme.

    • Henry Auvil

      You’ve been a very bad girl, Ivanka. A very, very bad girl. Now go meet with world leaders and act like you have something to offer in this life.

    • TuuxKabin

      Gee, that’s too bad.

    • JT

      Iskanka Defunct, Inc.

      • Cuberly Deux

        Kleptanka Debunked.

    • Max_1

      Daddy launders Russian money…
      Jared launders Chinese money…
      Ivanka launders Saudi money…

    • JCF

      Why? Because the Trump Organization is an organized crime front, and ALWAYS has been.

  • Phillip in L.A.

    Whoa! What the heck is going on in Iran right now? Clashes breaking out?!?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42524610

    • safari

      Yes.

    • SoCalGal20

      They’ve gotten fed up with their shitty theocracy.

      • leastyebejudged

        So they want even MORE !

        Religion of peace, lolol

      • JCF

        …just as Pence & Co are trying to impose one here.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    OT or maybe not: Some GOP pols are thinking that maybe antagonizing enforcement agencies will backfire on them and dent their so-called rep as being the “Law & Order” party.

    http://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/Attacks-on-Mueller-FBI-expose-rift-within-GOP-12463963.php

    “To some Republicans, the attacks have gone too far and are not representative of rank-and-file Republicans in Congress.

    “Most of my Republican colleagues feel as I do that we have confidence in law enforcement,” said Rep. Charlie Dent, R-Penn., a moderate. “I don’t know why that should change now that we have a Republican administration.”

    Other Republicans have been less sanguine when it comes to the attack on law enforcement, and Mueller in particular.

    “Those are political cheap shots that sound good on Fox News but in the real world are completely unfair to a guy who has given his life to serving this country,” said Rep. Tom Rooney, R-Fla.”

    • safari

      And nothing will be done about it.

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        Not by the GOP pols though if I were an irritated FBI guy, I wouldn’t care too much about leakage.

    • clay

      How far we’ve gone that Charlie Dent can be described as a moderate!

    • SoCalGal20

      Time to put up or shut up, Republicans. Either you are willing to make sure the investigation is allowed to continue or you are complicit with Trump. Which is it?

      • Skeptical_Inquirer

        I wish the agents in the agencies would realize how easily they were thrown under the bus for a clown.

  • clay

    One thing I’ve enjoyed over the last few days, what with this and Maddow’s summary piece, and all– John McCain is getting absolutely NO credit anymore for alerting the FBI.

    • SoCalGal20

      Yes, the FBI already had a counterintelligence investigation going before the dossier was out there.

      What John McCain (and Kramer) did do was get the dossier into Comey’s hands. The dossier just added MORE leads and avenues to follow but they were already investigating.

      • the traitor is guilty as sin and everyone in the mix knows it. the only questions relate to if pootie will allow him to be taken down, and how many fellow traitors in the republican party will go down with him, if so. pootie is in charge, i’m just trying to figure out the long game he’s playing here. the traitor is at least at a 50% likelihood of dying naturally before my next birthday.

  • Sam_Handwich

    The joint fundraising committee of President Trump’s reelection campaign and the Republican National Committee released a three-question “Inaugural Year Approval Poll” that offers readers no option to give a negative assessment of the president’s first year in office. The only options for “how would you rate President Trump’s first year in office” are “great,” “good,” “okay” and “other.”

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-approval-poll-offers-no-negative-options/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0g&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5a482cba04d30169bf0b8d72&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

    https://cbsnews3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2017/12/30/7a952310-926a-4f48-93d9-99f2ce448958/resize/620x/25c5f6e3cb933265097b350479b5979c/screen-shot-2017-12-30-at-9-18-23-am.png

    • safari

      Donald cannot be told bad news.

      • safari

        I think there should be a “dumpster fire” and “tire fire” option.

    • Lazycrockett

      Surprised they didn’t ask bout Hillary’s first year in office.

      • safari

        It’d be hilarious to see the responses to a “Should Hillary be impeached” question.

    • AJ Drew

      And yet the options for the Obama question include “Poor” oh, ffs.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      Have you had any interview requests, Sam, since your appearance in that Oregon appellate decision earlier this week?

      • Sam_Handwich

        i’m holding out for Oprah!

        • OdieDenCO

          the royal ginger will be disappointed

    • boobert

      You can rate President Obama poor, but the moron only sees other. He will think that means fantastic. lol

    • Cuberly Deux
      • JCF

        [X] Clusterfuck.

    • Tomcat

      All part of the propaganda campaign.

    • OdieDenCO

      well, at least they didn’t release the results first. you got to give them credit for getting the sequence right.

  • Barry William Teske

    Oh look!
    It is a table featuring some old, white, racist, misogynistic, rich beyond the meaning of greed, ‘leaders’.

  • AJ Drew

    OT: I have a blind date in an hour. Set up by chosen-sis whose own taste in men is questionable, but, eh why not.

    I’m oddly nervous about this. Showered, beard trimmed… what to wear? (I’m like a bad teenage movie montage of girl changing outfits… sigh.)

    • zhera

      Best of luck! Stay safe!

      • AJ Drew

        Thank you!

        • TampaDink

          Hope that it goes well, AJ Drew!

        • Phillip in L.A.

          Well? How did it go??? What did you wear?

          • AJ Drew

            I had fun! Got an invite to his New Year’s Day brunch, so guess he liked me well enough, too.

    • BockMcMillan

      Don’t forget to pack lube and condoms!

      • AJ Drew

        I’m not that kind of… well, ok, yes I’ll do that.

    • clay

      What, no pictures to choose from?

      • AJ Drew

        I think I’ve chosen well… beh, too late to reconsider now, wish me well.

    • Acronym Jim

      Blind dates can be the best. A handsome man hanging on your arm, pressed up close as you walk down the street. Just remember to let him know when you’re about to encounter stairs and for Lurline’s sake, don’t walk him into a telephone pole.

    • fuzzybits

      Just make sure you applied deodorant.

      • fuzzybits

        And have a good time.

      • clay

        never!

    • Phillip in L.A.

      Have fun, AJ Drew, and keep us posted!

    • boobert

      Wear a smile, that’s all you need , lol.

    • JCF

      I’m very excited by this news, mainly because we seem to never talk about re-la-tion-ships here . . . and I (JCF, self-involved) want to talk about ME! ;-p

      [JCF, spamming this thread. I swear, AJ, I’ll focus on you—best o’ luck!—on another comment below.]

      There’s a woman in my choir (Episcopal Church, so I can generally assuming everyone in it’s LGBT-affirming) who joined in the last few months, and to whom I’m quite attracted [What’s a pleasant surprise to me, is that she’s actually 3 months *older* than me! I’m usually scheming on some young thing, which gets me precisely NOWHERE.]

      Per my Tom Robbins quote below (“With women it’s always maybe”), I have NO idea how she identifies (in terms of orientation). I know she’s divorced, w/ a couple of adult kids.

      The thing is, I’m getting all kinds of mixed signals! Sometimes, like at the Christmas party on Thursday, we were vibing like crazy (mistletoe did not seem out of the question!). Other times, she seems friendly, but not particularly anything further [I know what you’re thinking: I don’t THINK alcohol at the party was *very* responsible for the goooood feelings. Maybe a little. ;-/]

      So I’m at that point, where I want push it a bit…but y’know, still Playing It Cool (is this possible?) She has a certain reserve as a person (as soon as you see her, you see “accomplished professional”—y’know, also unlike me? Sigh). I could see this relationship just bumping along at a friendly acquaintance level, and I definitely want to explore going beyond that! We’re both hikers, so I’ve offered myself as a hiking buddy (this is so much harder than a couple of years ago, w/ my father’s declining health, argh). But I wondering whether to seek a more specific two-person hike…aka, a date. [Then there’s fact that I love the choir—which I think she does, too—and this seems like it could get into the dangerous “workplace romance” sitch, too]. Ack, I’m So Confused!

      If y’all have advice for Lovelorn Moi, I’m all ears! (| *_*|)

    • SoCalGal20

      Since you’ll see this after your date I hope you had a great time!

    • BombasticB

      I find a red jock is always appreciated.

  • Lazycrockett
    • Helen Damnation™

      Yeah, I have a feeling that the only matters Trump seems to remember are when he thinks someone has “done him dirty” (his words). Revenge seems to be his complete modus operandi for his entire, evil life.

  • That_Looks_Delicious

    OT – I just came from stocking up on yummies at the Trader Joe’s by my house and had a neat experience(s) I have to share. When I came back out to the parking lot there was a man busking with an accordeon playing “My Way” beautifully. Then as I’m loading my bags in the trunk, a guy in front of me who must have been at least 50 took off his shirt to change shirts in the parking lot (it’s 73° here) and he looked frigging fantastic, in better shape than 90% of the guys who are 18-30. Then as I was pulling out, there were 2 little boys (they looked they might have been 8 or 9 years old) walking through the parking lot just holding hands.

    This all happened in like a minute and was like serendipity and so surreally beautiful I had to think, ‘You know, in spite of Trump and the Russians and the GOP and Roy Moore and the Pepe brigade, life is good and life is still beautuful, at least in my little corner if the world.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      Where do you live, That_Looks_Delicious?

      • That_Looks_Delicious

        Palm Springs

        • Phillip in L.A.

          Ah, that explains it! Bet it’s gonna be cold there, tonight!

          • That_Looks_Delicious

            Not too bad. It’s about 54° now (almost midnight).

  • Lazycrockett
    • TampaDink

      So touching.

    • prixator

      That made me want to join Twitter, but I won’t.

  • clay

    And when the children ask in the years to come, we will tell them:
    It was the coffee boy, in the bar, with the wine glass.

  • safari

    I made a Wisconsin-style Brandy Old Fashioned

    With the use of sugared soda pop, maraschino cherries, orange, and a sugar cube, I understand why they are the way they are.

    • Phillip in L.A.

      Sounds ok, but I prefer Wild Turkey® in my Old-Fashioneds. I do not always drink Old Fshioneds, but when I do….

      • safari

        My only Wild Turkey experience came when I was “invited” to a freshman “party”. By invited, I was 21 and my twink boyfriend wanted to sleep with the straight host. It was at the host’s parents since they were away. It was from where Betsy DeVos and Erick Prince hail — God’s country Michigan. So, I got them boozed up. I was going to lose my mind until one of the bros invited this chick he thought he could screw over. I connected with her the moment she walked into the house. She was a form of bitter youth that one rarely encounters outside of coffee shop. Me, four sheets to the wind, I couldn’t let her be abused by these man-imals. So I told her what was said about her before she arrived. Without missing a beat she took out a cigarette, lit it up, inhaled, and then ashed on the livingroom carpet. My gal.

        Later I had Wild Turkey, puked outside, and ended up sleeping with my twink boyfriend only to have screaming child-women peak in on us and say “OMG, there just in love, OMG, OMG.”

        I noted the rifle and gun magazines on the dresser but thought I’d better sleep it off first.

        • Phillip in L.A.
        • Phillip in L.A.

          I learned what X meant when they sang, “How does it feel to have/Your own bottle of booze/Behind the bar (how does it feel)” with Wild Turkey, when I worked at the 1! Bar in 1986-’87

          • MBear

            I…adore…X.
            I love you for the reference.

      • JCF

        My dad’s famous in our family for ’em. He’s a Jim Beam guy.

        • Phillip in L.A.

          Beam is a very good Bourbon, especially their aged Bourbons.

          • maker’s mark. the people who make it are… well, anyways. it’s so smooth. i was a bartender for over a couple decades and i can drink that stuff like water, if life does not interrupt or prevent.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            yes! that is it.

    • JohnJay

      No cheese?

      • safari

        I bought mozzarella sticks.

        • JohnJay

          I suppose if you use it as a swizzle stick, that’s OK, then.

          • safari

            😀

    • another_steve

      First and foremost, safari, love to you for “sugar cube.” I bet you a sizable percentage of JMG readers don’t know what the fuck you’re referring to there.

      Second, love to you for the adoration of the “Old Fashioned.”

      A venerable, wonderful cocktail.

      • fuzzybits

        I do. And I know about having the smallpox? vaccine on a sugar cube.

        • another_steve

          LMAO

          “vaccine on a sugar cube”

          • fuzzybits

            Hey,they drug us to the gymnasium for some reason.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            Was it underneath the bleachers? If it was, that weren’t no assembly

          • safari

            My elementary school didn’t have a gymnasium. It had a cafetoriumasium.

          • fuzzybits

            Actually it was the polio vaccine.

          • safari

            I didn’t get the pleasure of a sugar cube.

            Mine came in a small plastic vile. It was brown. It tasted sugary.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            Now that I actually think of it, that is what I remember, too, safari. Just a gulp of something . . . strangely sweet

          • fuzzybits

            It was all good because by that time I associated sugar with pleasure. 😻

          • safari

            How young we were.

          • Hue-Man

            There were some pretty ugly smallpox scars.
            “Smallpox vaccines were given by
            way of multiple needle pricks… A scab formed and fell off, thus leaving the scar.”

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4343331851043134fde3b22f75ff40d088f0dcfb3972f06252da6cfeb6c4fa60.jpg

          • fuzzybits

            Yea,I have that but it’s pretty much unnoticeable now.

          • another_steve

            Right. Administered back in the 1950s, when the polio epidemic was a real thing in the United States.

            I remember my mother discussing with my dad whether they should allow my sister and me to play outdoors with the neighborhood kids – that’s how terrified she was that we’d catch the thing.

        • clay

          (oral polio)

      • Phillip in L.A.

        I have a box of sugard0cubes in pantry, just for those types of applications

        • another_steve

          My grandparents used to drink tea by sucking it into their mouths through sugar cubes.

          I’m not sure, but I’ve always assumed that that was an old custom from Lithuania, where they were both originally from.

      • Lazycrockett

        sugar cubes is what you use to hold the LSD.

    • Licensed Troll

      Grew up in Sconnie, the largest consuming population of Brandy in the world 😉

      We used to drink brandy slush when we were kids 😀

      • safari

        I must know: what’s a brandy slush?

        • fuzzybits

          Sold at 7/11.

          • safari

            There are no 7/11s in Wisconsin.

            My duplicate demands we get a slurpee upon his arrival in our hometown.

        • Licensed Troll

          I grew up on a lake. It froze over in the winter, obviously, there were 30-40 houses around the lake. Every new years eve all of the families would drag their christmas trees out onto the ice and we would have a huge bonfire lasting hours. Even the kids got to drink that night, it was a special memory of growing up.

          Great drink for lightweights or kids 😉

          7 cups water divided
          4 black or green tea bags
          2 cups sugar
          1 (12 ounce) container frozen lemonade concentrate thawed
          1 (12 ounce) container frozen orange juice concentrate thawed
          2 cups brandy
          sparkling water or lemon-lime soda for serving
          lemon and orange wedges for garnish, optional

          • Natty Enquirer

            1. Brew the tea for the designated drivers.
            2. Serve the sugar, lemonade, orange juice, and soda to the kids.
            3. Drink the brandy.

          • Licensed Troll

            we all walked home, since we all lived around the frozen lake we had the bonfire on, no DD required.

          • Natty Enquirer

            Okay, tipsy chaperones then.

          • safari

            The tea aspect has me intrigued. I’ve seen something similar at family parties with whiskey as the primary spirit, but not with the tea. I imagine it adds a bitter depth to cut the sweet. Thank you for sharing.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            It might be what makes it drinkable! Some of these punches have bitter ingredients + 7-Up + Lime Sherbet!

          • Licensed Troll

            We would put it in a 5qt ice cream pail and put it outside, it would semi-freeze into a slush.

          • safari

            I’ll have you know I’m writing this down.

          • Licensed Troll

            It’s pretty good stuff! Oddly enough it works on a cold snow covered evening.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            Good for punch-bowls, too!

        • Phillip in L.A.

          I thought it was like a Mint Julep, but with Brandy! Who knew it’s a real cocktail. Sounds delicious

  • Cuberly Deux

    Josh Marshall wrote a piece about the Trump interview and what Donnie had to say about SALT. It is interesting….like Donnie knows it’s gonna be a hit he’s gonna take.

    “Even Trump Knows SALT is a Problem”

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/even-trump-knows-salt-is-a-problem

  • LesbianTippingHabits

    And this is apparently the type of foreign policy advisor the Trumpsters recruited.

    Sad !

    • Max_1

      The best people…

  • Karl Dubhe 2

    O/T 17 hours after the heating in my apartment failed, the heat’s back on!

    I should get a rent reduction for this. 🙂

    • JCF

      You absolutely should. Pro-rate your next rent payment!

      • Karl Dubhe 2

        They take it out automatically. 🙁

        For some reason, rent strikes are illegal.

    • Dayglo

      Likewise, the heat and hot water crapped out in my apartment complex. It’s eleven degrees outside. I’m staying at a “Quality” Inn with absolutely useless WiFi and the next door guests sound like they’re moving hotel furniture around all night.

  • Sam_Handwich

    i had to go out and shovel, yuck, but was nice coming back in to the aroma of stuffed cabbage cooking in the oven.

    • safari

      Cabbage rolls?

      • Sam_Handwich

        yes, this pic is when i rolled them this morning. (ground beef, cooked rice, sauted onion/celery/garlic, salt, pepper)

        then when i got home a put a can of tomato soup thinned out with some chicken broth over them and baked

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/55b14d1520447182ee15e7fd0e327a45f703d3731ac6683b2f7f640b5981de8e.jpg

        • Phillip in L.A.

          Those look great! You rolled those by hand? I am impressed

          • Sam_Handwich

            lol. my first attempt, years ago, was a disaster. but it’s like rolling a burrito, keep it snug and fold in the edges as you go.

        • another_steve

          Stuffed cabbage is a Jewish delicacy, you know, Sam.

          The Polish love it too… but then again, over the centuries there’s been so much inter-fucking between Jews and gentile Poles that it’s all become a blur.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            Mmmm, there is a great Polish restaurant in Santa Monica with amazing stuffed cabbage, served by the cutest blond Polish guy! “Sołidąrność,” iirc

          • SoCalGal20

            Ha! I know them as Polish food. My grandma would make them. 🙂

        • safari

          This may seem dumb, but do you peel the leaves off one at a time or just cut off the stem to separate them? And how long do you blanch them for?

          • Sam_Handwich

            i put the whole cabbage head in a big pot of simmering water, stem end up. then every few minutes i pull it out by the stem, with a slotted spoon to support the bottom, let it cool a bit and peel off 2-3 of leaves, whatever will come off easily. (you don’t want to rip them) then put it back and repeat the process.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            Do you shock them in ice water, or just let them cool off by themselves?

          • Sam_Handwich

            no, i just let them cool. cabbage is pretty resilient. and you can get that part done ahead of time if you want, then stick them in the fridge

        • Michael R

          They look like little Papadopoulos that
          butterflies are going to hatch out of .

          • Phillip in L.A.

            Wasn’t that also a novella by Salman Rushdie?

    • fuzzybits

      Shoveled driveway and neighbors sidewalk this morning. It was tiring.

      • Sam_Handwich

        not too bad here, was the light & fluffy kind, and just a few inches.

        but keeping an eye on an ocean storm that could form off the coast mid-week. ugh. usually that means wet & heavy snow

        • fuzzybits

          Be careful if that happens. That’s heart attack snow.

          • safari

            One of my ex’s works in life insurance claims.

            For some reason he giggles uncontrollably when talking about heart attack snow shoveling. Not in a mean way. Just in an “oh, what a way to go” way. His soul is not a day under 457 years old.

          • Sam_Handwich

            yeah. i’ve learned that as long as i can be home for the duration of the storm, it’s best to trudge out every hour or two, rather than trying to remove the whole mess when it ends

  • fuzzybits
  • Max_1
  • Sporkfighter

    OT: Pence’s Vacation Neighbors in Aspen Hang “Make America Gay Again” Sign

    The residents who live next door to the Colorado home where Vice President Mike Pence is staying with his family for the Christmas holiday posted a rainbow “Make America Gay Again” banner. They placed the banner on a pillar that is at the end of both homes’ driveways, according to the Aspen Times.

    “You couldn’t miss it,” Pitkin County Sheriff’s Deputy Michael Buglione said of the sign that was reportedly hung by the daughters of the couple who live in the home. The people who live next door apparently were a bit apprehensive about hanging the banner in front of the law enforcement and Secret Service officers that were stationed there. “He was real sheepish and thought he might be confronted by the Secret Service or deputies who’d tell him he couldn’t do it,” Pitkin County Sheriff Joe DiSalvo said. “When they said, ‘We’re not here to control your free speech rights,’ they came out with chili and began feeding them.”

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/12/pences-vacation-neighbors-in-aspen-hang-make-america-gay-again-sign.html

  • gaycuckhubby

    OT..
    LOL… the Rick and Morty Christmas episode just came on… complete with a cuckold side story. I love this fucking show

    • safari

      It’s a show that can be watched for toilet humor alone or examined in the form of countless dissertations for its philosophy.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Yes!

    • BJORN RAGNVALDR

      Not familiar with that one.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Morty is minaturized and goes inside a mans body.
        Also his Grandparents come over for Xmas with their “Bull”
        Good family fun

        • safari

          Guest-staring John Oliver as the head of Anatomy Park.

  • Max_1
    • easygoingmister

      That’s some Nostradamus cray cray spooky!

      • Max_1

        The Founders were visionary… Not what our Congress is today.
        Our Congress lacks the ability to act accordingly, even reactionary.
        NO…
        They engage in abdication and blind acceptance of authoritarian ideals and values.

        • easygoingmister

          Definitely proof of the vision.

    • Natty Enquirer

      “To flatter and fall in with all the nonsense of the zealots of the day.” Yup, that would be Mr. Birther all right.

      • Max_1

        FAKE NEWS!

      • Max_1

        Russian Intel preferable to American Intel.

      • Max_1

        butter-emails…

  • Max_1

    Emoluments violation…
    Remember: Carter sold his farm so as to not appear dishonest.
    https://twitter.com/CREWcrew/status/947233392881487872

  • JCF

    ZOMG, my dad has Lawrence Welk on in the other room…and somebody on the show is doing a version of “Land of a Thousand Dances”! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/81e0ba1ba327cb2b9f1fafc29d0edadea59082a915b9cda85a7e122fbbe75b92.gif

  • fuzzybits
    • greenmanTN

      I bought a cheap cat toy yesterday, a stuffed bird-like thing with feathers that makes crinkley noises (plastic inside I assume) and has catnip in it. It was a big hit. They’re taking turns hugging it and kicking the shit out of it with their back legs. The antics are fun to watch.

  • Ninja0980

    Went out with some friends for a bit.
    It is COLD outside!
    How has everyone else’s evening gone?

    • gaycuckhubby

      Had a quiet date night with my husband.

    • safari

      Drinking brandy old fashioneds while watching Indiana Jones.

      Grandma had a stroke.

      • BJORN RAGNVALDR

        I got this >–< high and had a stroke myself…oh wait..shit…wha happened?

        • safari

          Her speech began to slur. After a fight (stubborn German is she) she went in. To my knowledge it is minor, though I’m getting my information via 87-year-olds filtered through my non-medical mother. The situation is stable, however, it is likely the result of major blockage to both sides of her neck and other major arteries in her upper body that even hospital staff — from an earlier visit this month — have been flagging and even calling to warn about a lack of followup prior to this.

          Her doctor last scheduled her appointment for the end of January to discuss the issue. I’m pretty pissed off.

          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            End of January? That’s ridiculous. However, when not getting the information from medical professionals it’s hard to know what’s really going on. Hoping you’re getting a lost in translation version and it’s not that bad.

          • safari

            The blockages are that bad. I’ve been told that multiple times well before today.

            What irritates me is that I’m “forbidden” from going up there and finding out what is going on. I wrestle with whether or not to “disobey” the order or not. Quite frankly, I don’t think my grandparents or my mother know what questions to even ask.

          • fuzzybits

            Hell,I get mad at hubby when he doesn’t ask questions of Dr.’s. I do and then it ends with us walking out in a huff.

          • safari

            I’ve stared a surgeon in the eyes and asked questions. His cold, dead eyes. They are quite practiced.

          • fuzzybits

            I’m friends with an 87 year old neighbor and she has many health issues. They do the same with her all the time with scheduling appt. in the future. She usually gives them hell though.Hope Grandma gets the attention she needs soon.

          • safari

            She’s under observation until further notice. Her speech and tests on her extremities seem to be checking out. She’s passing her swallowing tests. The person I am — I want to see charts, scans, notes, and look everyone in the eye.

          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            I am similar, I don’t want versions of what was said, I want to see the data. We went through this with my aunt, she had surgeries to correct the same and more. Later (years), she returned to hospital with more complications and a massive tumor was found. We wanted all the data, of course, we loved her and needed to know all there was to know and what options were available. We forgot to ask her what she wanted. I recommend finding a way to ask her that, even if through someone else.

          • safari

            I talk to her hours a week on average. I’m well aware.

        • Phillip in L.A.

          You had a stroke just now? I hope not

          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            It was glorious.

      • JCF

        Did this just happen, safari? I’m sorry. {{{hugs}}}

    • fuzzybits

      In the house where it’s nice and warm. It’s 7 degrees outside now!

    • Phillip in L.A.
      • greenmanTN

        Oh no, not a noose of charms on her neck! (One of my favorite X songs.)

        • Phillip in L.A.

          Yeah, it’s a good ‘un! How are you this evening, greenmanTN?

          • greenmanTN

            Good. Made a nice dinner, now having a cocktail and reading a mystery novel. Either Disqus or my wi-if is messing up tonight, been having a hard time commenting or reading responses since it keeps timing out.

            You?

          • Phillip in L.A.

            Some connectivity issues here, too

          • greenmanTN

            I like so many of X’s songs, but White Girl, Los Angeles, and the entire Wild Gift album are particular favorites, True Love part 2 (album or outtake version) and I Must Not Think Bad Thoughts are go-to songs for me. The Knitters and John Doe’s solo stuff are great too.

        • Phillip in L.A.
    • TuuxKabin

      Finally cutting back on the trays for el HubCap, he came down with the, I think, emotional flu. Was eating as if he was going to the executioner in the morning. He’s sitting up and taking even more nourishment, so I suspect he’s much improved. Thanks. Hope your COLD ‘outing’ was good, in spite of the bitter temperatures.

  • Mike

    There’s a Monica Lewinski-ish symmetry here, what with the president being undone by a seduced and abandoned young, naive, over-confident big mouth. This story even has incriminating wayward body fluids. Allegedly.

    • Helen Damnation™

      It depends on the definition of the word “undone” is. Not to pun-quote Bill, but do you consider Monica to have “undone” him? Curious, and no, I am NOT high, god damn it. (I like Mike, what’s not to like?)

      • Mike

        Monica went rogue. Everything was going fine until her youth and inexperience led her to brag/confide to the wrong people. It sounds like Pappadopoulos did something similar. And if there is any justice, Trump will be undone in a much bigger way than Clinton. Clinton was disgraced, but Trump should go to prison, and hopefully Flynn and Kushner too.

        • TampaDink

          If only that poor, innocent intern had some way of knowing that she was being seduced by a married man, I am SURE she would have shut him down immediately.

          • Mike

            She was unfortunate, yes. Young and naive, absolutely. But innocent? No. She was an adult engaged in a sexual relationship. Based on the footage I’ve seen, she was an eager participant.

            The unfortunate, young, naive, but nowhere near innocent Pappadopoulos was probably just as eager to get involved in a transgressive and possibly illegal entanglement with the president.

            It must feel very cool to think you have White House power and influence when you are entitled to have neither.

          • TampaDink

            I should have included /sarcasm. in my comment.

          • coram nobis

            Maybe she didn’t know how high up that fellow was in the Clinton administration.

          • cleos_mom

            The weirdest thing about that whole incident was how Monika, an adult groupie in her 20s, got younger and younger with every bloviation from the Right. By the time we got to Christmas she’d morphed into an 8-hours-old zygote.

  • Max_1
  • gaycuckhubby

    Does it make me a bad gay if I have no desire to see Call Me By My Name?

    • safari

      I only know of it because it pops up on my twitter feed. It’s a gay-oriented film. I’m suspicious of gay-oriented films because they used to all end in death.

      • gaycuckhubby

        I want to see a movie with openly gay characters for once… not straight (closeted) guys falling in love. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/04fa75acb0594f472d6178fdad748255f36406cd41d69efd599792fca1656795.gif

        • safari

          I don’t mind a closeted storyline. It, however, is *so overused*.

        • Phillip in L.A.

          Girl, put in your DVD of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert, or Queer As Folk

          • gaycuckhubby

            LOL… you can keep QAF but I LOVE me some Priscilla!

          • Bambino

            Who does not enjoy an aria.
            https://youtu.be/Ksvm7fovhJQ

          • Phillip in L.A.

            –“Is it true when you were born the doctor turned around and slapped your mother?”

          • safari

            A dream in life is to wake up like this every morning.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            Transformed into a motor-home with a giant pump attached to your head, and trailing a thousand yards of shimmering fabric?

          • safari

            One professor would canoe to work.

          • Lazycrockett

            I never cared for QAF either. British or American.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            I couldn’t watch more than the first few episodes when it was aired, but I went back and watched the American series several years ago. I understand it’s not for everybody–there is a lot of gratuitous nudity and simulated sex, and some of the story-lines are upsetting.

            In retrospect, though, it was great–I would recommend it to anyone who wants to learn more about those times.

        • Lazycrockett
          • safari

            Now that is a wonderful movie. Music, acting, *love*. Gorgeous.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Loved it

          • TampaDink

            Another of my favorites!

          • Phillip in L.A.
          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            My lover, at the time, and I saw every independent movie we could. The clipping of the Uncles toenails scene left us both scarred. Proper foot and hand nail care became paramount.

          • TampaDink

            Love this movie & the soundtrack!

          • gaycuckhubby

            Mama Cass!

          • safari

            It was one of the, if not the, first introductions of her to me. She was brilliant.

          • TampaDink

            YES….she was.

          • TampaDink

            I Love her! As well as pretty much everything that The Mamas & the Papas ever released.

          • Snarkaholic

            Same here…but Bubble & Squeak looks nasty.

          • Dazzer

            Bubble and Squeak is the food of the gods. I love it.

          • gaycuckhubby

            But the name doesn’t lie!

        • TampaDink

          Knowing that I am, to you, one of the elder gays….I’d like to suggest that you check out one of my favorites, which was based on a stage play, where everyone except Nathan Lane from the stage production was available to reprise their roles. Jason Alexander did a pretty good job, in my opinion, in the role of Buzz. From way back in 1997, I offer you, “Love! Valour! Compassion!”
          with a youtube clip of the trailer….btw, the entire movie is on youtube.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdoegW8LI5Q

        • TampaDink

          Another that I recommend…although it does feature one uptight semi-closeted guy….”The Broken Hearts Club”.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrK06YLZ3qY

          • JCF

            I loved that movie! I adopted “Meanwhile…” as a thing. 😉

          • TampaDink

            For us, both “meanwhile” & “anyway” are a thing. 😉

      • coram nobis

        Maurice didn’t. And that was an Ivory-Merchant film.

        • Lazycrockett

          Ivory wrote the screenplay to Call Me, what there is of a screenplay.

      • Lazycrockett

        It takes place in 1983, which makes the ending even more absurd.

      • Jim E.

        It helps to have read the book for context, I think, which was so beautifully written. The movie was also well done. I drove 90mi to catch the 1:10 matinee showing on Christmas Eve day at the Minneapolis Uptown Theater… Center row balcony couch, all to myself for $10, up in the 18+ section where there’s a bar in back (None for me thanks… Sober here since 1994.) The theater was surprisingly full for a Christmas Eve matinee, but then the Uptown was the only Minnesota theater I could find who would screen it. I’d watch it again, and will buy the BluRay when it comes out. The ending was not sad. I often have questionable taste in movies, but overall I found this to be fun and affirming.

        • safari

          ^This is a review

        • gaycuckhubby

          I’m not opposed to sad movies… Dancer In The Dark is one of my favorite movies

          • safari

            Serendipity.

            I’ve never watched it, just strongly urged to do so.

          • gaycuckhubby

            It’s a rough watch, but Bjork is transcendental

          • safari

            I’m told the picture is transcendental. I’ve only seen clips of a couple musical numbers that were edited quite well and oh-so-beautiful.

          • gaycuckhubby

            It really is

          • safari

            *sigh*. I’ll have to request my friend that says I should watch it do so with me. He’s a nice man. And is okay with feelings.

          • Tread

            I literally cried for another 45 minutes after the credits rolled. That movie broke my heart in so many ways.

          • gaycuckhubby

            I make it a point of watching it once a year

    • coram nobis

      God’s Own Country might be worth a look.

      • gaycuckhubby

        That I want to see

      • Dazzer

        It definitely is.

        It’s excellent.

    • Lazycrockett

      I watched it last night and thought it was very amateurish and the ending was just your typical lonely gay. It’s pretty to look at though.

      • Bambino

        The father speech was the better part. But I watch just to see Armie Hammer gets grope. Yes, I’m that shallow.

        • Lazycrockett

          I couldn’t figure out the flies.

          • Bambino

            Help me! Help me ! It says.

          • Bambino

            It’s just summer in an orchard with sweet nectar. Fruits all around in more ways than one. The flies are the cupids.

        • coram nobis

          Rosebud.

          • safari

            I’m not into fisting.

    • Bambino

      It’s been done before with slight variation.

      • coram nobis

        You mean Death in Venice?

  • Sam_Handwich
  • Scout
  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/BecketAdams/status/947198082294472704
    This is one of the nicer tweets.
    These guys and gals just can’t resist bashing Obama can they?
    What will they say if these Iran protests are quashed and Trump does nothing?

    • safari

      I’m more worried that Trump integrates them into his policy publicly.

      I’m not an expert on what is going on in Iran. But if this braggart tries to take over the narrative there will be horrors.

      • Ninja0980

        Sad to say but he already has, with plenty of Obama bashers/war with Iran folks to back him up.

      • Lazycrockett

        I have yet to hear why people are protesting, they just are. Great Job News media.

    • Max_1

      That boat relaunched 1/20/2017
      What’s Trump got to show for it?

    • JCF

      Oh brother. So the Wingnut-o-Sphere is (per always) making this into Yet Another This Is All Obama’s Fault schtick? FFS…

      • TampaDink

        Well, to be fair, he did cause the crucifixion of J.C., the fall of the Roman Empire, WWI, WWII, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the assassinations of Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, & J.F.K..

        • coram nobis

          But not the Lindbergh kidnapping. That was Hillary’s doing, along with the Lusitania and the USS Maine.

        • cleos_mom

          You forgot New Coke and the Midiskirt.

  • Sam_Handwich
    • safari

      Outback should release its salt-spice mix and disband.

      Add a line of blooming-onion deep friers and slicers and they’ve got a captive market.

    • Cuberly Deux

      Ha! Of course he is, what a jackass.

    • clay

      Well, of COURSE, what with equal legal recognition of same-sex marriages, and all!

    • coram nobis

      Takes a dingo to know one, mate.

  • Max_1
  • bzrd

    once the thread has a lot of posts, “disk” won’t let me up vote or comment to someone’s post. It takes me to the place I call the blizzard because all is white and no one is there. Am I the only one who experiences this annoying problem?
    arg

    • TuuxKabin

      Just ^’d you. This comment appears to be getting thru . . . haven’t experienced what you describe. Yet.

      • bzrd

        so, it let me up vote you
        and now post
        but before when I tried to up vote someone else off I went to blizzard land. Now the thread has a different order so It will take me 45 min. to find out where I was

        • TuuxKabin

          like fuzzybits described, I’ll upvote and it’ll jump around, a few comments further down the thread, I have to scroll back up and revote because the first one didn’t ‘take.’

          • bzrd

            I get that too but going off to a blank white page drives me crazy

        • fuzzybits

          Usually when you click on “newest”,it’ll be in order.

          • bzrd

            sorry
            Where is “newest?”

          • fuzzybits

            At the top of the page right under where your name is.

          • bzrd

            okay
            I have experienced two orders
            1. the order the thread is in when one first clicks on
            2. the order as new comments arrive to the thread which are always at the top as one is reading.
            When I am sent to the blank page this order is changed and the newest comments are down the page somewhere out of order thus difficult to find again

          • fuzzybits

            When you get back just click on “sort by newest” and it should be alright. It usually works for me .

          • bzrd

            finally found “newest”
            god old timers is bad
            thanks

          • fuzzybits

            Glad to help. 🙂

    • Phillip in L.A.

      I’ve not experienced that particular problem, bzrd, but I have experienced a host of others

    • fuzzybits

      I go to up vote someone sometimes and the page just jumps all over the place.

      • TuuxKabin

        Same here.

      • Max_1

        DISQUS has issues with long posts and their collapse…
        DISCUS has issues with image attachments and their collapse…
        DISCUS has issues with comments over 1 post.

        • bzrd

          okay
          DISCUS has bigly issues

          • Max_1

            I like calling it DIQUS…
            Because don’t all gay men like a BIGUS DIQUS?

          • BJORN RAGNVALDR

            Okay, I’ll do it….
            https://youtu.be/zPGb4STRfKw

          • DumbHairyApe

            A large penis is always welcome.
            https://youtu.be/_3Du8rtjBKc

          • coram nobis

            There’s no place like Rome … there’s no place like Rome …

          • Bryan

            And I shall call Faux, Phoque. Or are we terming that too classy?

        • fuzzybits

          Ah,issues.

    • Max_1

      bzrd,
      It almost could be your processor.
      Check your taskmanager. CPU – Memory – Disk … Percentages.
      Check for background programs that are running.
      Does turning any of them off, help?

      • bzrd

        thanks, I’ll try it

    • Max_1
      • safari

        CTRL/CMD + SHIFT + R

    • safari

      No. Update everything. Switch to Firefox.

      • safari

        If needed, install ghostery and adblock (sorry, Joe)

        • safari

          Also, Disqus has issues.

      • Bambino

        I could not even load disqus on my laptop. Same browsers I use on my desktop.

        • safari

          Have you tried clearing *everything* in the browser?

          I mean, passwords should be fine, but everything else?

          • Bambino

            Yup. When i get a moment, I’m gonna just uninstall all the browsers and try to redownload and install again.

    • coram nobis

      I haven’t noticed these kind of problems with Disk Us on other websites.

  • Blake J Butler
    • Snarkaholic

      Ramón Mercader in a wig?

      • coram nobis

        Moe Howard and Larry Fine in a tender moment.

  • Max_1
    • safari

      Nunes makes us all laugh… wait… isn’t he supposed to resign and join Fox News?

  • Sam_Handwich
    • Lazycrockett

      It hasn’t accelerated that quickly has it?

      • safari

        And there is nothing we can disentangle.

    • safari
    • gaycuckhubby

      👀👀

      • Sam_Handwich

        could mean nothing

        • safari

          *flames licking*

  • gaycuckhubby
  • fuzzybits
  • Ninja0980

    https://twitter.com/Bo_Darville_GA/status/947317687880962048
    Can all stupid people drop dead before 2018 please?

  • gaycuckhubby
  • MonochromeMouse
  • gaycuckhubby

    Ot… the Pope is not my favorite person in the world. But he’s spreading an important message this holiday season. He’s circulating a card with the message “the fruit of war”
    On the card is this picture… A young boy in Nagasaki standing in line at a crematorium with the body of his younger brother strapped on his back. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f574515b3602f12b9e687a218c185ae63fae823af3a65cfdc0321eaab1a87ac1.jpg

    • Lazycrockett

      That’s festive.

    • MBear

      Didn’t the catholic church side with the nazis in wwii?

      • Karl Dubhe 2

        They certainly didn’t do what they could have done to oppose them.

        For a group that loves Christian martyrs, they sure missed one hell of an “opportunity”.

  • Sam_Handwich
    • Lazycrockett

      So what is going on?

      • Karl Dubhe 2

        The price of food went up too much.

        That is what sparks most revolts in history, and today.

        • JCF

          I think it’s (per usual) something calamitous happening to the masses (food price rise), COUPLED w (the knowledge of) widespread corruption. There’s nothing like the “we’re suffering, while the corrupt elite Live It Up”, to provoke RAGE. [Yes, obviously, begging the question: when’s that going to happen here???]

  • Scout
    • safari

      How much does the secret service spend on gravy?

  • safari

    I don’t twitter fandom. I was introduced to this and am posting again.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Kh_XMIDPU

    • Phillip in L.A.

      Automatically turn off any song where the vocals have been ‘sweetened’ with Auto-Tune

  • is anyone else here obsessed with Mariska Hartika? i love her so much it’s not even funny.

  • safari

    I want to primal scream. Where is the appropriate place to do so without the police being worried?

    • Jim E.

      Sometimes the only other option is to dance. (Thinking of Andrew Holleran’s 1978 novel Dancer from the Dance for some reason.)

      • safari

        I have no reference, but thank you.

      • johncAtl

        I was 23 when that book came out, but I never read it. It may have been due to having read The Front Runner a few years earlier. When the tragedy happens in The Front Runner I immediately put the book down and couldn’t come back and finish it for several weeks. It seems silly forty years later, but I had developed such a connection to the characters in that book that when one of them died I felt like I had lost someone close to me.

        • Jim E.

          I was 15 when that book came out. I’m no longer sure, but it’s possible I may have stolen it from Schinders on Hennipen Avenue. I frequently judge books by their cover, and the paperback version, which I still have, featured a hot guy with lightly muscled arms and I may have thought it was a dirty book. I darn sure remember hiding it from my mom, so aside from the poetry of prose (I was 15 okay?) it was also sexy as hell… Either way, back then there was definitely a consciousness of guilt. So I probably stole it.

          • Mike_in_the_Tundra

            You get a pass on this one. You misspelled Hennepin, so you can pretend it didn’t happen.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            I definitely stole it, because I was about 12 when it came out, and I knew the drugstore wouldn’t sell such a book to a kid.

          • Jim E.

            A fellow book criminal! Pleased to meet you, Philip in L.A. 👀

          • Phillip in L.A.

            Patricia Nell Warren, The Front Runner }
            Larry Kramer, Faggots }
            Andrew Holleran, Dancer From The Dance }

            All three fall into the same space of time, where I was far too young to purchase, but knew I had to read them. So, of course I shoplifted them! (No, I was not ‘caught stealing’)
            https://youtu.be/jrwjiO1MCVs

      • Phillip in L.A.

        A great, great novel, Jim E.! Dancing is always a fantastic option for dealing with (or putting off dealing with) difficult emotions

        • Jim E.

          Agreed! My original paperback copy, acquired by nefarious means when I was 15 in 1978, is falling apart but has sentimental value so I’ve never replaced it. I began sneaking into The Saloon and The Gay 90s a year or so after that. All the beautiful men in those dark forbidden-to-me places helped bring Dancer to life. There was always one primal, expressive and uninhibited athlete I could watch forever, and whose friends, perpetually in orbit but temporarily forgotten, seemed as happy and untouchable as he. There, at 16 or 17, I could forget, I could move, I could lust. Trouble is, I’m about as good as dealing with difficult emotions as I am a dancer, but sometimes something as fleeting and as ephemeral as dance and sweat can be its own release.

          I did not realize yesterday what Safari was dealing with at the time. I hope sleep offered some distance and clarity to him.

          • Phillip in L.A.

            Nefarious? Such as? 🙂

            The point is, whether a “great” or “terrible” dancer, to get out there on the floor and sweat, as you said!

    • William

      Find a restaurant with a walk-in freezer. The insulation is excellent soundproofing.

    • greenmanTN

      Into a pillow. Pillows aren’t just for biting anymore!

  • Scout
  • safari

    Personal O/T: This is where I am with my grandmother’s stroke
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXgboDb9ucE&feature=youtu.be&t=1m2s

    • johncAtl

      Just, damn. A stroke is an awful thing to have to deal with. Hopefully it’s minor. But I’m guessing based on the video that it’s not.

      • safari

        I need more information.

    • coram nobis

      I’m sorry.

      • safari

        I should not have posted at this point.

        • safari

          I just want to scream for no other purpose.

        • MaryJOGrady

          It’s okay. Thank you for sharing what you are going through. I’m sorry this is happening,

    • Ninja0980

      Sorry to hear that:(

      • safari

        Sorry for posting. I’m all over the place.

        • safari

          I’m told to say little.

          This is not a little event.

          I can only vent here, with you all.

          • safari

            Thank you for being here.

        • fuow

          Don’t be. Virtual friends also have their place and we are very fond of you.

  • Blake J Butler
  • safari

    O/T: Engage emergency dinner
    Hot broth soup? [OK]
    Brand spirals ‘n cheese [One moment]
    Burritos? [Ugh, maybe if the microwave continues to beep?]

  • Lazycrockett

    Lady Bird…..meh.

    • Spray on abs

      Yep.

  • Cuberly Deux

    The chicken adobo is marinating in the fridge. And my friends have assured me that they’ve vacuumed the heck out of their apartment, removing all cat hair. Cuz I’m allergic as hell. They’re responsible for the rice….jasmine of course.

    (sigh) A new year approacheth. We seriously need to get some optimism going…SERIOUSLY!

    • Reality.Bites

      True fact: when you wake up and the first thing you read is “The chicken adobo is marinating in the fridge” your first thought may well be this is a new Trump euphemism

    • greenmanTN

      I’m making my, If i do say so myself, killer nachos, which are more like a meal. I use those “scoops” tortilla chips, which aren’t the best, but they work well for what I do. Each one gets a bit of refried bean piped into the bottom, a spoonful of a Cuban style beef picadillo, a dollop of roasted red bell pepper cheese mix, and a jalapeño, then baked. Guacamole, sour cream, and red and green salsas on the side. Maybe a baked Brie wrapped in phyllo, with nuts and homemade cranberry sauce in the middle.

      • CharlestonDave

        Traditional here in Charleston, going with pulled pork and collard greens for money. Perhaps some Hoppin’ John if I feel ambitious and need those black-eyed peas for luck. And mama always said that if a handsome man was the first to cross your threshold in the new year, it bode well for your love life. So I’m scouring all the usual sources for a good-looking dinner date.

        Last year’s collard greens were defective—2017 didn’t bring nearly as much money as I’ve hoped—so I’ve switched suppliers this year. 😉

        • greenmanTN

          Traditional is good. I’ve never been very good at making greens so I usually use the Margaret Holmes store brand, which are very good, well seasoned. Their pinto beans are great too, so the traditional Sunday meal of beans, greens, and cornbread was really easy. Of course I added bacon and chopped onions, but I usually add that to everything but breakfast cereal.

          I’ve only used it for BBQ pulled pork, but have you tried cooking the pork in a slow cooker with root beer? It’s surprisingly good.

          • CharlestonDave

            I’m religiously bound to low-and-slow over hickory wood smoke. In my culinary world view, bottled liquid smoke is an abomination. You might as well tell me that people in Egypt eat camel lips, I’d go “huh, imagine that” but not start looking for camel lips at the Piggly Wiggly. I typically cook four rubbed Costco pork butts at once on the Big Green Egg, shred and portion the meat, then freeze the portions and reheat sous vide (I’m oddly 50% traditional, 50% molecular gastronomy; Sean Brock is my spirit animal). Utter goodness for $1.50 a serving, and I get individual servings of fresh-tasting pulled pork in 20 minutes for many weeks thereafter. Takes 10-15 hours depending on the particular pork butt. You have to cook to internal temperature and not by time. I use a computer-controlled wood fire so my external temperature is +/- 1 degree for the full time of the cook. That’s more precise than my indoor kitchen oven.

            I’ve heard that Crockpot pork can be good but I haven’t ever wanted to try, it’s that camel-lips thing again. 🙂 The only pork I’ve ever tasted that was notably better than my very traditional method upgraded with modern technology was whole hog pit-cooked by Rodney Scott, and I feel no shame in acknowledging Mr Scott’s pit mastery.

            As to collards, I have people ask me all the time how to cook greens, which is a question I find mystifying. Fill a stock pot with water, bring it to a boil with some salt and smoked meat like ham hocks, maybe a dash of Tabasco, then put in the washed and trimmed greens and simmer until they’re as done as you like, 45 minutes more or less. Some folks put a tablespoon of sugar in the pot liquor, but I find the greens pretty sweet on their own. Serve with pepper vinegar. A package of smoked ham hocks runs maybe a dollar at the Piggly Wiggly, the ones I don’t use go in the freezer. If you have a dinner guest who doesn’t eat pork, use smoked turkey necks. Recipes don’t get much easier than that. Collards are one of those things that you can make better at home than in a restaurant, because restaurant cooks are in a hurry and slice the collards with a knife to give shreds that include the tough interior stalk branches. When I do them at home, I go branch-by-branch and hand-strip the leaves off the harder stalk branches, so collards cooked at home with that simple level of care are stalk-free and taste better than restaurant collards that include the sliced stalks.

            It’s common around here to have roadside farm stands with amateur farmers selling collards from their home gardens, so maybe it’s a question of supply as I can get huge heads of collards for a couple bucks and know that they were in the ground yesterday.

            Anyway, Happy New Year to you and may your good luck foods, whatever they may be, carry extra oomph this year!

  • safari

    I must watch horror movies for the rest of the year.

  • safari

    Too much

    Hello
    Doctor
    Name
    Continue
    Yesterday
    Tomorrow

  • safari

    Toin coss:

    1, 2, 3

    03:30 end point

  • Audrey

    Google is paying 97$ per hour,with weekly payouts.You can also avail this.
    On tuesday I got a great New Land Rover Range Rover from having earned $11752 this last four weeks..with-out any doubt it’s the most-comfortable job I have ever done .. It sounds unbelievable but you wont forgive yourself if you don’t check it
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  • safari

    O/T: Multiple login attempts were required to get here.

    • BeaverTales

      I’m not having any issues here in Alaska, maybe in BC the ice storm is affecting your ISP?

      • safari

        I didn’t snapshot the pates.

        • BeaverTales

          Googling the phrase “snapshot the pates” didn’t clear anything up for me.

          I was suggesting that the issue might be on your end instead of Joe’s end, since the login issue isn’t affecting the entire Pacific NW

    • fuow

      Yes, same problem here, several times the past week.

  • BeaverTales

    In my next life, I want to be a movie stuntman capable of doing stuff like this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuhrRcgRXKU

  • safari

    i love you all.

    • DaddyRay

      Aww, we love you too
      {{{HUGZ}}}

      • safari

        I want to know who I am.

        I’m going to play a video game in part.

        My grandmother–the woman who imprinted upon me– stroked mildly today.

        I don’t know what to do. *Begin Video Game*

        • DaddyRay

          I am so sorry to hear about your grandmother – that has to be very upsetting. I hope she will be ok

        • greenmanTN

          Safari, take this with a grain of salt because I don’t know if my reactions are “normal,” but I took care of my mother in the last years of her life. Cooking, diaper changes, baths, the whole magilla. My situation was different from yours in that she was relatively compos mentis until she fell and broke her hip- from then on she was on the bobsled to dementia town, which is different from your situation. She died in my arms, at least in part due to a decision I made. I was trying to put off the day when she was entirely bed-ridden and I made her get up and walk to the bathroom (as you sometimes had to do), which seemingly set off a heart attack. Then again, if a walk to the bathroom was going to kill her then she didn’t have long to last.

          No matter how close you are to them, we know that a truly elderly and ill person is going to die at some point, likely sooner rather than later, so you have to be somewhat prepared for it, not take it as your personal responsibility. You can effect that outcome to a degree, but only to a degree, so try to keep from getting too emotionally strained, thinking you can change the future. You can’t.

          That said, if it will give you (and her) comfort and peace, you might consider telling your mother and sister to piss off and either go with your grandmother to one of her doctor’s visits or arranging to speak to him directly. When I finally did that I learned that what I heard, via her non-medically aware accounts- sometimes passed through a 3rd party- were not accurate. She too had blockages in her neck that I was worried about, but they were minor (and being treated with medication) in comparison to other issues I had no idea about. You also have to be careful about gerontologists because they have seen it all, are used to it, and can approach things with what seems like callousness. Setting appointments months away for issues that seem acute NOW is one of those ways. If only to set your own mind at rest and relieve your feelings of helplessness, getting information from the horse’s mouth might help.

          I will say that if other family members live closer, are primary caretakers when you are not, it’s a bad idea to ride roughshod over them. You can only changes things to a small degree and it can cause bad feelings on both sides.

          In any case, I have been where you are and it’s not easy. When you’re in the situation taking care of yourself can fall by the wayside, so don’t fall into that trap, endanger your own physical or mental heath. I didn’t do that and regret it. (((Hugs)))

          • CharlestonDave

            Greenmail, I identify. I was sole live-in caregiver for my mother at home for the final years of her life, until she died at home from heart disease and dementia. Hardest thing I’v ever done. The neighbors were irredeemably cruel. And no matter how ill your loved one is, it is still a shock when they are gone.

            Safari, a stroke is not a death sentence. Whatever role you play in your grandmother’s therapy and (hopeful) recovery, take care of yourself and act in love.

        • whollyfool

          My mother has had two strokes. They left her functioning, but she fights hard to do it.

          I’m hoping for the best for your grandmother.

        • yes b’y

          ((((safari))))

    • billbear1961
  • Jake Nunez

    Just make sure you applied deodorant.

  • billbear1961

    Lessons from the Saturday Night Massacre

    The Saturday Night Massacre took place 44 years ago, before many of today’s voters were born (or if they were born, before they were old enough to understand it as it unfolded). The popular version goes something like this: Nixon fired the special prosecutor who was looking into the Watergate break-in and bingo, the House Judiciary Committee instantly and unanimously voted to impeach Nixon. Unfortunately, the popular version is quite wrong. Walter Shapiro has a good historical piece on what actually happened and when. Here is a brief summary:

    In May 1973, incoming Attorney General Eliot Richardson hired Archibald Cox to investigate the Watergate break-in. Nixon immediately began complaining, especially when Cox made it clear that he had every right to look at Nixon’s taxes and other matters somewhat removed from Watergate. Then Nixon’s taping system was discovered and Cox demanded the tapes. Nixon proposed an alternative: a 72-year-old hard-of-hearing senator (John Stennis) would listen to the tapes and report on what he heard, if anything. Cox refused. On Saturday, Oct. 20, 1973, Nixon ordered Richardson to fire Cox. Richardson refused and resigned instead. Then Nixon asked Deputy AG William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox, and he also refused and resigned. On the third try, Nixon found someone in the DoJ, Robert Bork, who was willing to fire Cox.

    A firestorm ensued. On Monday, Oct. 22, 1973, House Speaker Carl Albert (D) authorized the Judiciary Committee to begin examining whether there were grounds to impeach Nixon. The chairman, Peter Rodino (D), compiled. But it wasn’t until July 1974 that the Committee voted, and even then, 11 of the 17 Republicans on the Committee voted against impeachment. The bill of impeachment passed the Committee only because the Democrats had a large majority on it.

    In the 9 months between the Massacre and the committee vote, most Republicans supported Nixon, and that included then-governor Ronald Reagan of California and then-RNC Chairman George H.W. Bush. It is only when the Supreme Court ordered Nixon to turn over the tapes to Cox’s successor, Leon Jaworski, that the storm broke, in part due to an 18-minute gap on one of the tapes. In a sense, that was a smokeless gun. A lot of people concluded that Nixon’s refusal to turn over the tapes in the first place, and then the unexplained erasure when he was finally forced to turn them over, was overwhelming circumstantial evidence that he had obstructed justice. Eventually, a true “smoking gun” tape was uncovered; it was recorded three days after the “gap” tape, and on it Nixon can plainly be heard discussing the cover-up. On the day the true smoking gun tape was released—August 5, 1974—the case against the President ceased to be circumstantial. Nixon resigned four days later.

    The lesson here is that Nixon held on for almost a year after firing Cox and might have escaped altogether were it not for the tape recordings, and the fact that both houses of Congress had large Democratic majorities. Is any of this history relevant now? We report, you decide.

    http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2017/Senate/Maps/Dec30.html#item-7

    • Phillip in L.A.

      . . . and the fact that a UNANIMOUS U.S. Supreme Court ordered Nixon to turn over the tapes

  • billbear1961

    Good morning, Karl.

    May we assume your heat is back on?

    • Karl Dubhe 2

      There is heat, the warm water pipe downstairs burst yesterday. It was repaired, but air got in the line. They had to send people to each apartment to clear the pipes…

      There has to be a better way of designing this system. Nature has given us assholes that can tell the difference between air and water, we should be able to engineer an artificial system that does the same. 🙂

  • zhera

    Dunno if this has been mentioned here. If this story is true then it’s hilariously tragic.

    http://www.guacamoley.com/the-scoop/2017/12/30/Z1bfFEJ/pranksters-just-totally-trolled-un

    Nicki Haley, just another moron.

    • William

      Joy talked about it a couple days ago when she was standing in for Rachel Maddow.

    • Reality.Bites

      Canadian radio pranksters once got through to no less than Her Majesty the Queen, impersonating then Prime Minister Jean Chretien.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YFFhc3XZDw

  • netxtown

    OT: Found this article on telesur – and found the ‘tone’ interesting. Western media just doesn’t have the balls to say it.

    https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/China-Media-Slams-Trump-Anger-on-N.Korea-Sanctions-as-Stupid-Based-on-Fake-News-20171230-0028.html

    • TuuxKabin

      Lawd. I’ve been seeing ‘links’ to it. Opened that and read it. This country’s fuckin’ doomed. Listening to her replies, agreeing like a front row student trying to comprehend the course agreeing at all the ‘right spots.’ How dumb does one have to be to be in that administration? None dumber than the POS, but damn close, sure.

  • Hue-Man

    Start counting down in New Zealand – 4 minutes to midnight.

  • JCF

    I just saw Get Out. It was a very skilled debut film…but I thought the plot was too clever by half.

    Switching to spoiler font—

    It seemed like The Evil White People + 1 Asian (TEWP+1A) were turning black people, some way or another, into automatons. Slavery 2.0 (or is it 3.0, what w/ prison labor?). The automatons’ personal “will” could crack through the mind-control/programming rarely, as seen via funky tears, or a complete breakthrough after a camera flash. Got it.

    But then late in the film, TEWP+1A’s plot is revealed to be very different: it’s using the bodies of black people, as a way to transfer the minds of (presumably) TEWP1As, so they could live renewed—live forever. “Get him grandma! Get him grandpa!” yells the #1 TEWP+1A *bitch*.

    OK…but if that’s her grandma & grandpa, WTF are they doing working as domestics??? Wasn’t her grandpa the original neurosurgeon who developed the mind-transfer process? And now he’s chopping wood? O_o

    It’s like Peele couldn’t decide which TEWP+1A plot to use…so he used both. Even though when used together, they make no sense.

    I particularly liked Betty Gabriel as Georgina (the maid). She was great at portraying her inner conflict. And Chris’s TSA homeboy, Ray, was also excellent Especially the plot twist at the end! Damn, just when you think “Chris has survived the TEWP+1As, only to get gunned down by the cops!” Good thing homey showed up Just In Time! [And obviously, Sid the Doggie: kewt!] Anyone else catch Erika Alexander, formerly of “Living Single”? Back in “a 90s kind of world”, I loved that show. Good to see her again, if only in a bit part…

    • Bryan

      There’s a LOT to unpack in that film, Peele gone done and did his research. I remember reading all the articles when it came out on all the clever little details you notice but don’t notice.

      ETA: I’m super eager to see where he takes this, what his next films are gonna be.

    • cleos_mom

      This is a first for me — a redacted post.

      • stuckinthewoods

        to me too. I didn’t know there were fonts that reveal themselves with mouse-over

        • JCF

          Clever, huh? I certainly used Disqus for several years, before I discovered this existed.

  • JT

    Samoa, Tonga and Kiritimati (Christmas Island) were first to celebrate 2018, about 90 minutes ago. Happy New Year!

  • JCF

    I’m in a random thought mode—

    I’m very encouraged about these “Parkinson’s-related hallucinations and delusions” (drug) ads. Not so much specifically re Parkinson’s (though of course, I hope this horrible disease is cured), but for removing mental illness stigma generally.

    Hallucinations and delusions seem to be one *disease symptom* re which it’s STILL OK to point/laugh/shoot, saying “Crazy Person! Treat as less than human!” If “Grandpa w/ Parkinson’s” can humanize this symptom, this can only be a good thing.

    • Gretchen

      I agree with you wholeheartedly. My son has schizophrenia with command hallucinations. Over the years he has faced incredible ignorance and stigmatization even from mental health care providers and staff who should be trained to understand his condition. He once had direct care staff tell him he is possessed by the devil. There is hope ahead with several new medications including a new product called Rexulti that may even have implications for Alzheimer’s eventually.

      • William

        Any medical staff making such comments should be removed from patient care.

        • fuow

          Immediately.

        • Gretchen

          He was.

      • JCF

        {{{Gretchen & fam}}}

        Three cheers for hope-bringing new meds…

        I used the word “shoot” advisedly above. It’s INCREDIBLE (incredibly awful) how many people are gunned down by cops, just because they’re in a delusional state (and CANNOT comply w/ officer’s commands).

    • another_steve

      There’s a lot of ignorance out there regarding mental illness and cognitive impairment. When I was in government I worked with agencies whose staffs worked with members of the public who had those types of illnesses and impairments. Even professionals who should know better sometimes resort to stereotypes and generalizations.

      A simple thing we can all do is to stop using “retard” as an insult. I gave up using the word that way a while ago.

  • Boreal

    OT:

    Pence’s Vacation Neighbors in Aspen Hang “Make America Gay Again” Sign
    https://twitter.com/TheAspenTimes/status/946882138246299648

    • JT

      Pick a peck of pickled Pence. And flush it down the toilet.

      • Bambino

        Four and twenty gay dudes jizz in front his eyes……

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          Please continue

          • Bambino

            I’ll let the more creative bunch of individuals here to do so.

  • geoffalnutt

    That’s so typical of the regime, too. They can’t help doing something stupid like getting shitfaced and spilling the beans. Luckily, there’s not one among them who’s the least bit shrewd. Criminals are, by their nature, STUPID.

    • CharlestonDave

      Taking it at their own words, they have the coffee boy editing the President’s speeches.

      That strains credulity even if it were in a movie.

      I’m imagining some 20th-century film with a young Jerry Lewis or Jim Carrey playing the coffee boy…

      • Reality.Bites

        Yeah, cuz in the 21st century at least the coffee boy would be hot.

  • JT
    • Edmund Allin

      And so it begins.

      Happy New Year everyone! 🙂

  • netxtown

    I know this may not mean much to the youngins – but i am happy to announce that upon stepping out into the frigid fucking cold, I was able to nip-rip a t-shirt – at 62yo!!! It is a glorious day!

    of course, the rips are a little lower than days of future passed….

    • TuuxKabin

      at 72, I had to Google nip-rip, duh, obvious, had I had some coffee, had I had some. Didn’t the cold give ’em a perk and a lift? Rock it!

      • netxtown

        it did. it did…but I think the HD (humpty dumpty) thing is in play… 🙂 Of course, I will allow all the king’s men to try!

        • TuuxKabin

          ‘tay, thanks for the morning chuckle. Happy New Year, I’ll be posting a Toast to Us All, later. IF I can get the gif to gif. It’s stationary in my tests of sending it to myself, before sending further.

      • JCF

        I still don’t get it. Urban dictionary is telling me that this is like grabbing&twisting a nipple. But “nip-rip a t-shirt” (and that “at 62yo!!!” this means something more)? Someone’s going to have to explain this to me…

        • TuuxKabin

          “It ain’t me babe . . . ” I found out all I need to know about it. Maybe someone will come along and ‘splain more.

    • Bambino

      Wonder if someone stick a tongue to the nip it will get stuck?

      • netxtown

        for life!

  • Boreal

    Happy New Year from the deep freeze although I know our Canadian friends are even colder. Stay warm everyone. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c0b3fb1f4eccfbbd2a961f6993ab57a6a9160240b4dda4630d7cee8895cfb34b.png

    • William

      Yikes! I hope you brought the brass monkeys inside.

      • Boreal

        I feel bad for the birds. Usually this type of cold is more common in January and Feb. They are here from dusk to dawn in this cold. I’ve been filling the feeders every night after dark. We are parked by the fire except to go outside for wood or take the dog out. Walking a couple of hundred feet down the road to toast the New Year tonight by the neighbors fire.

      • Phillip in L.A.
    • TuuxKabin

      Gads. Thanks and Happy New Year to you and that cute lil’ dawg of yours. I’m not even looking at the local forecast, just bundling up like Nanook when we go out.

      • Boreal

        Thanks. Puppy is out with hubby on the paths I snowblow in the yard for a few minutes.

        • TuuxKabin

          You’re such a good enabler!

          • Boreal

            The pup woke us up at 2am because a herd of deer were going through the yard.

          • TuuxKabin

            I remember an ice storm in Austerlitz, Columbia County, ice all around the house. Garret, our Kuvasz, Hungarian herder/guard dog, woke us up with a house shaking bark. He slept right outside our door. And his low, rumbling growl was vibrating. We heard footsteps, crunching thru the ice, walking away from the house. He obviously warned them to come no nearer. In the morning, looking out the window we saw the footsteps. Turkey foot prints. Suckers are so heavy.

          • Boreal

            He knows that I don’t like deer around (they eat the garden) and has warned us they were here in the past. In good weather I put his leash on and we chase them up the hill and away from the house.

          • TuuxKabin

            He’s a good dog! Hope it’s a good warn New Year around the fireplace! Provecho.

    • Hue-Man

      Not all Canadians. 34F (0C) mostly cloudy. 6:00 AM PST.

    • Karl Dubhe 2

      Hey, it’s going to be warmer here, going up to -22C today. That’s like -11F or something; tanning weather. 🙂

      The break in the cold starts tomorrow for us, supposedly it’s going to be above zero. o/

    • billbear1961
      • stuckinthewoods

        Thank you for the past year of musical selections.

        • bzrd

          Yes, has helped to keep many of us here at JMG sane
          Thanks Mr. Bear

          • billbear1961

            XO

        • billbear1961

          You’re welcome!

          Good to see you!

      • JCF

        Tonight I get to put up my “Year of Auroras Borealis” calendar! 🙂

    • cleos_mom

      About the same as our weather in west-central MO; at least not many people have to go to work tomorrow morning. We’re not expected to get above freezing for another week at least — the first 40-degree day is going to feel like it’s time to go to the beach.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      Minus 13 here.
      That is negative 13 !!

      It may get to -28 or -30 tonight.

      You may never hear from me again !

      • Boreal

        Bundle up, stay warm, be safe.

      • Karl Dubhe 2

        Just drink carefully, or not at all, at those temperatures. You’ll be fine, especially if you have someone to cuddle with.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      Sitting here at a balmy -24 C (-11 F) dipping to -32 C (-25F) tonight….the snow is fluffy and crisp. Quite a refreshing walk this morning as we prepare for tonight’s festivities. Our guests remain indoors at the moment as they’re still in bed, though I think they’re just scared of the weather. They still can’t fathom how we do it.

  • Scout
    • Scout
      • billbear1961

        Do the fucking Democrats have VOICES?

        Do they know how to find a TV camera?!

        Do they know how to FIGHT for ANYTHING?!

        • Jerry Kott

          Amen!

          I read that the most dangerous place on Earth is the space between a TV Camera and Chuck Schumer!
          The Democrats are too preoccupied with not burning bridges that don’t exist. They think that being polite at the Garden Party is more important than winning of the battle ground.

          • billbear1961

            The rule of LAW is at stake–the rule of LAW!!–and they still treat these corrupt FASCISTS like COLLEAGUES!!

            I despise the goddamned, spineless COWARDS!!

          • Jerry Kott

            There is a War going on to protect what integrity this Nation has left and they are more concerned with Protocol than resolve.

          • fuow

            Yup, we see that here all the time with the opp pleas those of us who are more colorful tone it down.

    • Bambino

      Obstruction of justice in a grand scale similar to the dotard but even more dangerous.

    • billbear1961

      The miserable little fascist SHIT belongs in PRISON!

      This SPINELESS republic is incapable of DEFENDING itself, even from the likes of THAT!!

      • Bambino

        Death penalty with no exception is the only just punishment for selling out one nation. Soldiers who did less had been executed.

        • billbear1961

          Hello, btw, Bambino, sweetie!

          XO

          • Bambino

            Bill Bear!! Hugs!!!!!!

    • SoCalGal20

      Support his opponent! Link to his ActBlue is in the tweet.

      https://twitter.com/funder/status/946773003400089600

      http://www.andrewjanzforcongress.com

    • SoCalGal20

      Nunes belongs in jail. The House investigation was always going to be a mess with Nunes in charge. Not surprised by this at all.

      He also killed Dem subpoenas.

      https://twitter.com/theplumlinegs/status/947458089615331328

  • Scout
    • another_steve

      Sloppy journalism and a rush to be the first one out with “the scoop.”

      The cable TV networks are also guilty of it from time to time.

  • Scout
    • JCF

      Other Steps to repeating history:
      1) Economic disaster occurs when Republicans are in power
      2) Democrats come to power, institute regulations to prevent similar economic disaster from recurring. Begins economic turnaround…but Not Fast Enough (especially under relentless FOX Noise lies, and GOP negative ads thereon)
      3) GOP comes to power
      4) GOP repeals regulations

  • Scout
    • billbear1961

      Trump REEKS of HYPOCRISY!

    • coram nobis

      He would do well to shut up at this point and not distract from the situation.

      • Karl Dubhe 2

        Unpossible!

      • greenmanTN

        Trump shut up when the possibility of weighing in and making the situation worse remains? Never!

        (I wish I was joking.)

    • Jean-Marc in Canada
  • Reality.Bites

    OT: I like it when stores translate the labels for us.

    (Sorry, Disqus won’t upload the image for me)

  • Scout

    They say that what goes up, must come down . . .

    https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/947484621368909824

  • Bambino
    • BJORN RAGNVALDR

      Shelly, leave him be and just go cuddle him instead. He deserves a break for all he gives to bring us this amazing, loving, frustrating space on this here web thingy….

      • clay

        I thought we all did a pretty good job not harassing him during his week in Key West, particularly after his outstanding work while he was in the Canaries.

    • William

      Shelly is busy ordering cat toys from Amazon.

    • Treant

      If he’s like me, he came down with a minor cold. I went to bed around 6 PM last night and finally got up at 9:30 AM today. My husband nudged me around 7 AM to see if I was still alive.

      • RJ Bone

        I feel that – all seven of us did too. Being sick sucks 🙁

      • Bambino

        That is rude. Just put a compact mirror near your nose would do the same 😛

        • Treant

          I’m fortunate he didn’t have sex with my dead body.

  • billbear1961

    I wasn’t going to post this HERE today, as I did on Political Wire (where I’ve decided to stop posting after today)–I was going to hold off till after New Year’s; but the Nunes story PROVOKED me; so:

    At some point you will have to accept the evidence of your own EYES that the GOP has betrayed–is betraying–this democracy, that they’re working to subvert the rule of law to protect their fledgling dictator and their one-party dictatorship (you’ve heard their smear campaign, in the House, against Mueller and the FBI), that your elections are not safe (see my posts with the link to the 30 December Electoral-Vote article that explains how), and that they are also undermining the Judicial branch of the Republic by stacking it with fanatics (who will strip millions of their rights and allow the super rich, their corporations and their lackeys in the GOP to commit any crime against you that they wish).

    At some point, if you are serious about preserving your democracy, you must REJECT the authority of a FASCIST party, which serves only itself and its rich masters, and has by its actions–robbing the many for the corrupt few and plotting to subvert the elections and the rule of law to maintain its fledgling dictatorship–forfeited any right it once had to govern legitimately in a genuine democracy.

    Trump’s lackeys, who will slowly gain total control of the DoJ and the FBI, purging them of all honest employees still loyal to the Constitution instead of to HIM, will invent LIES that will falsely implicate Democrats in “crimes,” just as Putin’s stooges in HIS regime manufacture lies about HIS opposition! They’ve already begun, by dredging up the phony Uranium “scandal,” again. Soon they will appoint a LACKEY “special prosecutor” to look into this phony “crime.” And it’s only the beginning of what they’ll get up to, as they use the DoJ and the FBI, as tools of a dictatorship, to persecute the Democratic opposition!

    Trump has said, in the recent NY Times interview, that he may do whatever he wishes with the DoJ. This is NOT so in a democracy, but who will stop him, the same corrupt party that is letting him violate the Emoluments Clause? The head lawyer at the FBI has been reassigned, and Trump, in a case where HE is a subject of investigation, is using his position as president to spread attacks on the characters of witnesses who have verified what Comey said about Trump’s demanding loyalty pledges to HIM instead of to the Constitution. For the love of CHRIST, where does his subversion of the rule of law END?! How much more will you, as a free and self-respecting people, tolerate?!

    Every American who is loyal to the Constitution, and who is able to take part, should be protesting already, to demand Trump be removed from office for obstruction, for violations of the Emoluments Clause, and for plotting to put to corrupt, unconstitutional use the legal apparatus of the federal government to persecute his political opposition. You–all who are able–should be demanding, in massive and relentless protests, his tax returns and other financial records, secure elections, moderates only appointed to the courts, the revocation of the new corrupt tax law, an end to attacks on the ACA and rules and laws which protect the environment, and ironclad legal protection for Mueller and his team! Unless protests can force the GOP to change course, to reject the fascist road down which it is clearly headed, and to respect and enforce the rule of law and to work for the Common Good, their authority as a party should be REJECTED!!

    • billbear1961

      When their financial system collapsed in 2008, the courageous people of Iceland protested, peacefully and relentlessly, and brought DOWN the corrupt government which had BETRAYED them! They–who, by the way, had and have no reason to doubt the validity of THEIR electoral process–did not wait for future elections! Were they guilty of sedition? Of course not!! Icelanders exercised their Sovereign Authority as a FREE people to effect IMMEDIATE change, to bring down a government which had betrayed them! THEY did not wait for elections to challenge and put an end to the undermining of THEIR democracy! They behaved like the citizens of a free society, and NOT like the subjects–the abject slaves–of a tyranny! But, then, there are FREE peoples on this planet, and there are SHEEP for the shearing, and lambs for the slaughter!

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/57396991ecb2fad9e51a5bf3894b41453ef26710ea271c55d7e8fba477823337.jpg

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeMmauRMbts&feature=youtu.be&t=10m37s

  • Sam_Handwich
  • Sam_Handwich

    In other news this AM apparently two protesters were shot in Iran today, and cell phone signals and social media are being blocked.

  • Karl Dubhe 2

    The guardian seems to be right. There is a point at which it is too cold for Canadians.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/edmonton-nye-outdoor-events-cancelled-1.4468801

    Our outdoor celebrations have been cancelled this year too. 🙁 Except for the fireworks. I might be going to them tonite. Or I’ll stay warm. Hmmmm….

    • Treant

      Most of ours are severely curtailed in this area. It’s sixteen degrees now–tolerable, if barely–and it’s going down to four. What hasn’t been canceled has been delayed…

      • Karl Dubhe 2

        It’ll be 36 below, C or F don’t matter at that point. I’m reluctant to stand around in those temps, and it’s been a while since it’s been this cold at this time of year. We’re not used to it anymore.

    • AmeriCanadian

      Hitting negative teens (Celsius) in Windsor. So sorry I came back from Florida!

      • Karl Dubhe 2

        I learned long ago that the best way to deal with winter is not to take a break from it. 🙂

        Sorry about saying that after the fact.

  • SoCalGal20
  • Sam_Handwich

    new post!