White House Fires Entire HIV/AIDS Council

Chris Johnson reports at the Washington Blade:

With no explanation, the White House has terminated members of the Presidential Advisory Council on HIV/AIDS amid widespread discontent with President Trump’s approach to the epidemic.

After six members of PACHA resigned in June, the White House on Wednesday terminated the remaining 16 members without explanation via a letter from FedEx.

Scott Schoettes, a Chicago-based HIV/AIDS activist and senior attorney for Lambda Legal, was one of the six who resigned in June over Trump’s inaction on HIV/AIDS and said on Twitter the remaining members were fired.

Newsweek reports:

Gabriel Maldonado, CEO of the LGBT and HIV/AIDS group Truevolution and a remaining member of PACHA said the reasons for the firings remain unclear but may have been borne of a desire by the Trump administration to clear out appointments made by his predecessor Barack Obama.

“I can only speculate,” Maldonado said. “Like any administration, they want their own people there. Many of us were Obama appointees. I was an Obama appointee and my term was continuing until 2018.”

  • BobSF_94117

    “I can only speculate”

    Since this has never happened before, maybe you can speculate in a more pissed off way.

  • DaddyRay

    I am sure Pence will step up to the plate

    • RobynWatts

      “Mother, may I?”

  • Joe in PA

    Wow, didn’t see this coming. /s

  • S1AMER

    This is the Trump administration. So what else is new? Is anybody foolish enough to expect concern about science and medicine? Compassion? Decency?

    Sadly, it’s likely most of Trump’s base doesn’t give a damn whether persons with HIV/AIDS live or die (and many on the religious right would undoubtedly prefer the latter happen as soon as possible).

    Ready to work your asses off to elect Democrats in 2018?

    • David Walker

      Will there still be a council? I doubt it. That is, this feels even more hateful than most of the other guttings of President Obama’s work.

      • Lars Littlefield

        If the council does continue, Janet Porter will be named its chairman.

  • kaydenpat

    Roy Moore is now available for this council so everything is on track.

    • Oh’behr in Minnesota

      Along with his evil wife who comes from their foundation or center on “Moral Law”.

  • GanymedeRenard

    UnFUCKINGbelievable! Seriously, WTF is wrong with these evil bastards?

    • Todd20036

      Nazis. All of them

  • BlackGayVeganAtheist

    Mike Pence is definitely behind this….mark my words on this…as he is a man who told the people of Indiana to pray…

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/us/politics/mike-pence-needle-exchanges-indiana.html?mtrref=www.google.com&gwh=261364D43CED98750D19CCBED311F043&gwt=pay

    • Uncle Mark

      Let’s not forget the HIV epidemic that Pence caused in his state when he attempted to eliminate a clean-needles exchange program, as well as attempting to remove Planned Parenthood clinics from his state. He reversed his decisions when the cause for the epidemic clearly rested on his bad governing. Obviously, he only reversed his decision because of the bad press, as this action, today, blantantly reveals a disdain for those Americans at greater risk of HIV.

  • Karl Dubhe 2

    Here’s hoping Trump picked something else up in the 1970s in New York. Something that’s not shown itself, yet.

    (yah, I know…)

    • Andymac3

      A boy can dream

    • AaronD12

      It has shown up. He has the signs of untreated syphilis:

      Brain (neurological) problems

      Stroke

      Infection and inflammation of membranes around the brain and spinal cord
      Numbness

      Deafness

      Visual problems or blindness
      Personality changes

      Dementia

      Heart valve disease

      Aneurysm

      Inflammation of blood vessels

  • Gustav2

    If the Presidential Advisory Council on HIV/AIDS continues it will be filled with Christianists and conspiracy theorists.

  • Rex

    When the entire county is in ashes, and there’s nothing left to destroy, what will he do? Oh, wait, blame Obama.

  • hdtex

    In other related news……..HE WANTS US DEAD.

    • Michael White

      They all do . We have the style and grace to make the world a better place (sorry) and they envy us.

    • Todd20036

      Technically, Trump couldn’t care less about us, but he’ll vote in concentration camps just to claim a “win”

  • DaddyRay

    But Her Emails

  • BlackGayVeganAtheist
    • William

      Manafort picked Pence.

  • BlackGayVeganAtheist
    • lattebud

      Who is the tall guy, 3rd from the left? Sets of the gaydar. Is he Mike Pence’s “luggage handler” or some other position?

      • Andymac3

        Gaydar is off the scale with this room of self haters, they protest too much.

        • Michael White

          Closet cases? Usually the more anti gay , the deeper the closet.

    • Todd20036

      I can just see the new council:

      1) Low cost anti-HIV meds end.
      2) HIV can be prevented if you stop having gay sex.
      3) Straight people cannot get AIDS
      4) HIV does not cause AIDS
      5) If any straight person does get AIDS, he’s secretly gay or God hates him.
      6) Lesbians don’t exist.

      So Bernie bros, happy?

      • Marc Gilbert-Widmann

        “Bernie Bros” were an invention of russian operatives and bots… but if you knew that you would continue to blame people who voted for Bernie anyway… Statements like that will ensure that the next election results are functionally equivelant to the last. Get your head out of your ass and stop with the labels before we all fucking die… ok???

        • tomfromthenews

          The next election results will be different if we all support whoever is running against DT and the Republicans.

          • evan_or

            Hear hear. I supported Bernie – mainly just to push Hillary to the left a bit – fully expecting he could not win, and I proudly voted for Hillary. I am damned disappointed in those who did not, and FURIOUS with them for 1. believing the lies about her, and 2. repeating those lies. Those gullible twits handed our future to these assholes.

          • Todd20036

            Yup. Voting for Bernie in the primaries is fine. But once it was obvious who the candidate for President became, you either voted for Clinton, or you voted for Trump, or you voted for the winner (regardless who that winner turned out to be) by voting for someone who could not win or stayed home.

        • unclemike

          Russian operatives and bots didn’t magically create all the votes for Bernie. Or Stein for that matter. People chose, and made a bad fucking choice. *That* needs to be acknowledged before we can get a different result at the polls.

          • Nobody “voted for Bernie,” because he wasn’t in the federal election.

          • Todd20036

            Wanna bet?

            Ever hear of write-ins?

          • unclemike

            111,850 votes for Bernie. Lot of “nobodies.”

          • Robert K Wright

            In a race with 139 million votes, that IS pretty much “nobody”.

          • fuow

            Trump won by how many votes again?

          • Robert K Wright

            He didn’t win by the number of votes, he won by electoral college.

          • fuow

            OK, so you’re dense, too.
            Right, then. I’ll spell it out and type it really slowly, that you might grasp it. Oh, what the fuck. Yes, of course he won the electoral college. Sheesh. We all know that. I asked you for the number of popular votes which lead to that win in the electoral college over Hillary. It’s a well known number and smaller than the number you’re defending.
            So – are you a Russian Troll or just a Troll?

          • Robert K Wright

            Type as slowly as you want. You are correct that I used a SLIGHTLY elevated number, as had been previously reported. The actual and most accurate number is 2,864,974. So yes, the actual number of votes she won the popular vote by are slightly smaller than the number I provided. But you really insist on being a dick. If you wanted to make your point, why not just make it? Gotta be an asshole until the very end of the year, right? Because you could have made your point WITHOUT being an asshole. Happy New Year, now go fuck yourself. See, I can be a dick too.

          • And no impact on the Electoral College, so… Nobody.
            Accept that 2016 was a change election, and the Dems ran a status quo nominee.
            The Republicans held their noses and ran the change candidate.
            QED.

          • Robert K Wright

            Give it up. She won by over 3 million votes, but SHE ignored places she thought couldn’t possibly go Republican. She was wrong. SHE lost her own race. What NEEDS to be acknowledged is her lack of foresight in certain states. If you keep blaming Bernie supporters, you’ll just continue to be on of those “Nader caused this” people.

          • Whoever was in charge of her campaign should be ashamed of themselves, they gave her terrible advice.

          • James Warren

            her busting phones hidden servers sharing our most classified emails much to secret for us to see yet a muzzlumm saw them before she did. her evil sickens me to the core

          • pch1013

            Were you dropped on your head as a child?

          • Tony Prost

            this is his first post in three years. Probably a Russian bot.

          • fuow

            On this, we all should agree and, going forward, see to it that we don’t fuck up that way again.

          • jonfromcalifornia

            But of course we will. Bernie wants to run again. So let’s just get used to another 4 or more years (who knows what those Republicans will dream up with their Supreme Court justices in place) of Trump.

          • fuow

            O! My paws and whiskers! Surely Bernie would put the best interests of the country first and not split the left-of-Hitler vote.

          • unclemike

            I’ve never understood that “If she doesn’t campaign in MY city/state, she doesn’t get my vote,” attitude particularly in this age of 24-hour media. Seems kind of selfish and short-sighted.

            You think Nader had no effect on that election, either?

          • Robert K Wright

            When you don’t bother to campaign in their state, it’s your own fucking fault. I’m so sick of you bitches complaint about Sanders supporters, they are no different than the Puma crowd, but you ignore that. If you want us all to move forward, then stop adjudicating the fucking loss. You just keep blaming everyone else, see where that gets us in the 2020 election.Luckily Obama was popular enough as a candidate that Clinton supporters didn’t derail his election. Every single election that we loose, the losers supporters keep up the shit about the primary candidate. Bet you think she should have been coronated and given the nomination without challenge. Sorry, that’s not how this works. It’s not how any of this works. Keep crying. And yes, Nader had an effect on the election, and you’ve been crying about it for almost twenty fucking years. Let it go.

          • unclemike

            And if Obama had lost, certainly the PUMA assholes would shoulder some of that blame. Do I sound like I’m crying? LOL, whatever, Robert. I guess assigning responsibility sounds like crying to those who just want everyone to “move on” and not examine *all* the reasons why a candidate lost, instead of just the convenient ones.

            I still don’t understand why a candidate needs to physically campaign in my state before I should consider voting for them.

          • Robert K Wright

            Yeah, you want to examine “all” the reasons why, except for the one main reason: she didn’t campaign in all the states she needed.

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          • fuow

            Nobody doubts that Bill was right on that and, yes, we Democrats made many mistakes.
            Doesn’t change that fact that far, far too many of us gay men either didn’t vote or voted ‘Green’, thus endangering every single one of us.

          • Robert K Wright

            I don’t know one single gay person who voted Green. And all the gay men I know voted. I’d be interested in knowing where you get this assertion. Any links to prove what you assert?

          • fuow

            I believe you. There are other gay men, like me, who very much know gay men who didn’t vote.
            I have posted links several times. Some skeptical folks around here read them and said, yup – makes sense. Yikes! Others (and you’d be one) pulled the whole anecdotal, too small sample size, etc. card.
            I’m not going to bother trying again. If it really matters, look it up yourself.
            Of course, you could read JoeMyGod and notice how many gay men here, even just in the past few posts, have commented on how they didn’t vote for Hillary and why not.

          • Robert K Wright

            I live in an almost completely gay city. So anecdotal, or too small a sample is ridiculous. But once again, you want to make a point, but you don’t want to post supporting information for your assertions. And by the way, reading the posts here on JMG would be much more anecdotal and small sample size than my knowing a large portion of my community here in PS.

          • fuow

            What is it the neo-atheists are always saying? Oh, yes: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
            Not only I, but several others here have published links to surveys all showing that liberal turnout in November 2016 was horrid. Most put it below 1/3 of eligible voters or thereabouts.
            Now, you are claiming that gay men, alone of all on the left (discounting the fucktwat Lincolnnettes, here) turned out 100% to vote.
            So, it’s up to you to proof your outrageous claims. Not me.

        • Todd20036

          Sorry bub, but Russian bots didn’t vote for Bernie in the primaries well after it was impossible for him to win.

          Russian bots didn’t besmirch Hillary Clinton as being equal to a republican.

          Russian bots didn’t write in Bernie in the general or stay home and not vote.

          Russian bots are not the ones STILL saying they won’t vote for the democrat running against Trump in 2020 if the democratic candidate isn’t “perfect” enough.

          Russian bots are not the ones STILL claiming that Bernie could have won the general if only Clinton didn’t “steal” the primaries from Bernie.

          You get YOUR head out of YOUR ass if you think this problem magically went away or never existed.

          • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

            PREACH

            For those virtue signalers still clinging to their belief that writing in a candidate, voting for a third party, or voting for Trump as a way of punishing the corruption within the DNC, while at the same time fully acknowledging the inevitable chaos, hatred, and harm to follow a Trump victory, I will always remember those acts and won’t forgive you. And I won’t take these words back.

          • Marc Gilbert-Widmann
          • Deviancy Behavir

            You’re using The Intercept as a reference? Do you even know who runs that? Of course you don’t, because if you did, you wouldn’t use it. The gullibility of people is amazing. Check your sources and check their agenda, before using them to cite your opinions and back them up.

          • Robert K Wright

            Puma is all I have to add.

          • clay

            Russian bots didn’t besmirch Hillary Clinton as being equal to a republican.
            Russian bots are not the ones STILL claiming that Bernie could have won the general if only Clinton didn’t “steal” the primaries from Bernie.

            Are you sure about those?

          • JD

            Sorry “bub” but from this distance it is very clear that Hillary supporters want the cold comfort of being right and claim their right to rub Bernie supporters faces in it. This is exactly what will keep you from building community again and it is just the most appalling exhibition of why the USA is exactly where it is. Gawd help the rest of the world.

          • Blake Paine

            If they won’t admit their error there is no assurance they won’t do the same thing again. The US is a ‘winner take all’ system for 4 years, there is the winner and just losers. Anyone who didn’t vote for Hillary whether Trump, no one, or someone else, elected Trump.

            They need to understand the consequence of their actions so they won’t do it again and if they had a set of gonads they’d publicly admit their error to reassure others. For unfortunately there is no way to under estimate the level of common sense in the American public – Trump as proof.

          • Donna Lee

            Thank you Todd!!

          • Leo

            Here here!

        • fuow

          Dear me, the barge traffic sailing down the river de’nial is getting quite heavy.
          Look, voting for Bernie in the primaries was OK. Not supporting Hillary against Donald Trump? Total asswipe move.

      • Dk

        COME ON GUYS, RETHUGS & THE RNC WOULD LOVE THIS THREAD. 2016 IS OVER.
        you’re now angry at each other rather than angry at the aholes who are screwing our community daily. ENOUGH, LET IT GO
        YES THIS DESERVES ALL CAPS

  • BlackGayVeganAtheist
  • Rebecca Gardner

    Twitter locked my account. C’est la vie. Goodbye twitter ’cause I ain’t given ya my fucking phone number.

    • Michael White

      We still have a local time and temperature number. I use it a lot so I don’t have to give mine out.

      • easygoingmister

        Genius move!

        • Lumpy Gaga

          And doesn’t change when your phone gets lost or stolen!

  • gaycuckhubby

    Fuck Trump

    I know the president can’t unilaterally make decisions for insurance companies, but is there any concern that prep will be taken off of most people’s policies? With the current push to deregulate everything and with the beginnings of the dismantling of the ACA I worry that advances that we have made will soon disappear

    • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

      If corporations can decline to provide birth control coverage based on religion, there is zero doubt in my mind that we will soon see HIV coverage and most certainly PREP denied under the same excuse.

    • clay

      It’s not so much the insurance companies– they’re beginning to see the financial benefit of it. It’s that employers will balk at providing it, and birth control, and that the catastrophic coverage plans don’t cover pharmaceuticals, at all.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Makes sense

    • MT YVR

      To reiterate my OT yesterday : British Columbia is about to cover PrEP up here. It’s unclear exactly who and how, but they’ve made a public statement that they will.

      At least some people seem interested in offering protection.

  • Boreal

    “I can only speculate,” Maldonado said. “Like any administration, they want t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶o̶w̶n̶ no people there

  • Mark Née Fuzz

    What was the line one of his clowns used? Good people don’t get sick or some BS like that?

    • Butch

      Congressman Mo Brooks, Republican (as if I needed to tell you that) of Alabama (ditto). He has since been diagnosed with cancer. (Joe reported it here, although I don’t have a link for you.)

  • ChrisMorley

    On 1 December (world aids day) the Presidential Advisory Council advertised for new members on the Federal Register.
    The closing date is 2nd January.
    https://www.hiv.gov/blog/hhs-seeks-nominees-presidential-advisory-council-hivaids

    https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/12/01/2017-25915/nominations-to-the-presidential-advisory-council-on-hivaids

  • HeyYouKidsGetOffMyLawn

    We all need to get behind a single candidate for 2020 and elect the fuck out of him or her.

    • kaydenpat

      True. Hopefully the DNC is working on getting a great candidate — someone fresh and relatively young.

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        What if they don’t or the person chosen isn’t quite what people want, then what? Sit it out again? Vote 3rd party? Honestly, what is it with people not recognizing that pragmatism is sometimes called for? Don’t answer that, because from what I’ve observed, many (not all mind you) Americans are far too reactionary and tend not to reflect or give due consideration on their decisions before making them.

        • kaydenpat

          I’ll vote for any Democratic presidential candidate. I’m hoping that others will do the same but after 2016, I’m not sure.

          • Jean-Marc in Canada

            That’s my fear.

      • John30013

        Personally, I hope we get a great candidate *without* major involvement of the DNC. That organization has a lot of house cleaning and trust building to do. They’re woefully behind in fundraising, and their data operation is years behind. Hillary basically carried the DNC on her back in 2016.

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      Don’t worry, the puritans will find a way to fuck it up. I hope I’m wrong, but if some of the comments on multiple blogs are any indicator, none of them have learned from 2016. Even now, there’s still that “if they aren’t perfect” I’ll sit at home or vote 3rd party. Yes, they really are that stupid, ignorant and frankly, useless.

      • HeyYouKidsGetOffMyLawn

        I know, I know. I’m just hoping people get sense and understand we have to come together.

        It’s the only thing that has elected anyone decent for the last 50 years.

  • Wesinoregon

    I wonder if they realize that “good” Christians get HIV too. Probably not.

  • Michael White

    What do the republiCUNT fags have to say about this?

    • Tiger Quinn

      Get out of here with that bullshit.

      • Mueller Abides

        Did you vote for Jill Stein? Just askin.

      • Michael White

        nope.

      • Lumpy Gaga

        …and come ovah here…

    • Jean-Marc in Canada

      They’re too busy sipping cocktails with the Bernie Fags and Stein Hags, all of whom are celebrating how great it is that America dodged Hillary, because as we all know, she would have had us all in camps by now.

      Honestly, I’m so beyond done with Homocons and Left wing puritan fags that if any of them fall ill or lose their insurance, I can say without apology, that my only concern for their well being will be equal to the concern of their dear leader…that being none at all. I wish curses were real, because I would most definitely curse them all. A Pox on both their houses.

  • ceeenbee

    Hey gregory angelo, how’s that most friendly president that LGBTQ’s ever had thing going?

  • Ninja0980

    So much for being an LGBT ally eh?

  • zhera

    PACHA acknowledges science, evolution, and diversity. OF COURSE the Orange Menace and his administration gets rid of it! I’m surprised it took them so long.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Evil fuckers. Sheer evil.

  • ceeenbee

    In the eloquent words of George W. Bush,

    “There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”

    This is mike pence at work here and he fooled the people of Indiana once and this is what they got for their stupity.

    “It’s a shame, since lackluster public health efforts are what led to the defining moment of Pence’s one-term Indiana governorship: a massive HIV outbreak spurred by public health funding cuts and Pence’s moralistic stance against needle exchanges.”
    — Huffington Post

    Are we going to let him fool us again? And, what will be the result?

    • Xaca

      faux-tian pussies like Pence are responsible for hundreds of thousands of opioid deaths.

      • clay

        pro-coal, anti-public health corporatists like Trump are responsible for hundreds of thousands of opioid deaths.

    • Uncle Mark

      I’m certain that holier-than-thou Pence has initiated this, and was able to convince the bigot ‘n chief that HIV/AIDS only affect gays, blacks, and “druggies”… the kind of people, who would never vote for him. It’s obvious that Pence didn’t learn anything from the outbreak he caused in Indiana, except that it cost him votes. I real humanitarian Christian, who cares about lives, would never risk repeating such a mistake again. What a self-righteous & hateful man he is.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Dead undesirables. Duh.

      These people think Reagan underperformed.

    • boatboy_srq

      Stupity. I don’t care if it’s a typo, it’s brilliant and I’m stealing it to use on the brianless morans.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    I am sure Ivanka will immediately come along with her inclusive influence to reverse the decision.
    Right ?
    Right.

  • TominDC

    Quick! Someone call Maggie Haberman at the NYT!

    Surely she’ll have another explanation on how the shitgibbon is really secretly gay-friendly.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      It’s a folksy homophobia.

  • bkmn

    Must feed the fundies red meat every few days or they get pissy.

  • easygoingmister

    Honestly, I’m surprised it took this long for him to do this.

    • clay

      I figured all “scientific” advisory committees were dead in the water.

  • Joseph Miceli

    Away we go! First appointment: Michele Bachman. First announcement will be that they are focusing their efforts to promote abstinence and celibacy along with “counseling” to help people escape the destructive lifestyle of being a damned homosexual.
    Trump owes the Evangelicals. So far he has given them Jerusalem. Why should he say “no” to giving us to them as well. If that doesn’t scare you into the voting booth, nothing will.

  • JWC

    Just gotta scrub that”black” out of the White house

    • They even tried Bon Amie!

  • Halou

    …”amid widespread discontent with President Trump’s approach to the epidemic.”

    There is the reason. The people who are personally affected by the crisis, either themselves of friends/family being infected by it, they’re not heaping adoration on Dear Leader, so the whole program is shut down for spite.

  • AdamTh

    Possible new members: James Dobson, Bryan Fischer, Tony Perkkkins. Since Janet Porter’s boy Roy lost in AL, she has some free time.

    And Mikie Pence has experience with this issue – so look for him to chair the committee…

  • When the President’s page for LGBT was taken down, that was our first clue that change was a coming, and it wasnt blowing anything good our way.

    • Daveed_WOW

      It was literally the first thing he did.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada
    • Daveed_WOW

      We need to direct blame where it belongs: Republicans. We need to defeat them.

  • Over at The New York Times was an interview with cheetolini, where he had this to say….

    ”Another reason that I’m going to win another four years is because newspapers, television, all forms of media will tank if I’m not there because without me, their ratings are going down the tubes,” Mr. Trump said, then invoked one of his preferred insults. “Without me, The New York Times will indeed be not the failing New York Times, but the failed New York Times.”

    I knew he is centered on himself, but that’s totally bizarre thinking.

    • Daveed_WOW

      This is why he needs to be defeated. My any means necessary.

    • boatboy_srq

      1715: l’etat c’est moi.

      2017: le monde c’est moi.

      • Mikey

        2017: “le tas, c’est moi” (Québecois slang… basically saying “I’m a pile of dogshit))

      • Nice!

  • Barry William Teske

    Oh look!
    A VERY inventive way of disappearing family, friends and loved ones.
    Children too.

    Had enough yet?

    • fuow

      Probably not. We liberals are very bad at learning this simple truth: Elections matter.

      • Barry William Teske

        I would like to sympathize with you but, seriously, segregating the population into politcal stripes is one of the more culpable of culprits.
        Just think about it.
        Tribalism gone awry.

  • josephsinger

    And how much do we want to bet that the HIV/AIDS council will not have new appointments? If there are appointments they only will continue Trump’s kakistocracy.

    • Daveed_WOW

      I hope he just shuts down the council. It would be better than putting Jerry Falwell Jr. on it.

  • ColdCountry

    Well. He seems to be building a solid case for a charge of crimes against humanity for himself. Have I mentioned today how much I hate that man?

  • fuow

    But her emails! Her lack of purity in 1927! There won’t be any consequences to protest voting, no siree, Bob!
    Hope you’re happy now, all you gay men who didn’t bother to vote or voted ‘Green’ to teach us Democrats a lesson.

    • Daveed_WOW

      Blame Republicans, please

  • ColdCountry

    OK, I’m going to rant here. Can we just STOP with the blame game? It’s Jill Stein’s fault. It’s the Bernie Bros’ fault. It was Russian Bots. It was the non-voters’ fault. Just STOP! Pointing fingers and assigning blame gets us nowhere. In fact, it prevents us from moving forward. It is divisive and unproductive and probably makes the opposition laugh their asses off because we are running in circles and bickering. Assigning “fault” is pointless. We each of us need to look at what our responsibility in this mess is, and we need to work together to fix it. There are too many of us sounding like grade schoolers: “She did it!” “It’s his fault!” “I didn’t do it!” I don’t CARE who drilled the hole in the boat at this point. The fact is the boat is SINKING and we all need to work together to fix the leak. Once we do that, then, if we still care, we can Monday morning quarterback.
    /rant

    • fuow

      Good rant. Unfortunately, the cold, hard facts remain: We’re one Supreme Court Justice appointment away from losing everything. I am furious at the gay men who didn’t vote or voted Green or were/are BernieBros. I see no evidence that they have recanted their views, not one little bit. So yeah, I’m going to continue to pour out my fury on the asswipes – they still don’t admit their mistake, so why the fuck not?
      I’m also (as I have been for many, many decades) active in my Party and fighting as hard as I can to get people registered to vote in 2018.

      • ColdCountry

        I don’t blame you a bit for being angry, and there is nothing wrong with saying so. However, think for a minute. If you continue to heap vitriol and blame on someone, how willing are they going to be to help you? They may (probably) know they fucked up, but most of us, when faced with relentless condemnation, defend ourselves, regardless of right or wrong. It is difficult to admit you screwed up when someone is constantly screaming at you that you screwed up and some disaster is all your fault. It also doesn’t really make you want to work with someone if they are always reminding you that everything is your fault. You are doing good work in moving us forward, and think how much better off we would be if we could bring along all those who had a part in creating the mess. You are “right,” but is making someone else “wrong” more important than the final goal?

        • Christopher Smith

          No. Think for a nanosecond. If someone culpable in a catastrophe not only refuses to admit fault but continues the behavior which helped induce said catastrophe, there is no possible way of ‘bringing them along.’ Your little pronunciamento about us ‘all needing to look at what our responsibility in this mess is’ is nothing more than dressed-up Rethug bothsidesism–not only disgusting but false. Some of us, whatever our disagreements and problems with Hillary Clinton may have been, attempted to move forward by voting for the most progressive platform ever put forth by a Democratic Presidential candidate–and were defeated by purity-pony dime-store ideologues just like the trolls elsewhere on this thread. They not only have not changed, they blame us for having been adult, intelligent pragmatists who tried to avert utter disaster. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results: this is the Democratic pattern with Rethug and Rethug atrocities, and you want it to become our pattern with Sarandonites as well? Perhaps you’d next like to shriek at us about those poor, misunderstood white workers in flyover states and how eville we are not to embrace them and their toxic bigotry?

          • ColdCountry

            Wow! I bet you win a lot of people over. People can not change if you don’t give them the opportunity and the space to change. Some people still won’t, but you will never know if you don’t allow them to do so. If someone knows they are wrong, but also knows that you will go on beating them up for being wrong even if they admit it, why would they ever admit it?

          • Christopher Smith

            Wow! I bet you have lots of simon-pure friends. LOL! It’s been a year. Broflakes et al have had more than enough opportunity, space, and time to change. If someone knows they are wrong, and also knows you will never task them with their bad acts, ask them to change, or invoke any negative social sanctions against them, why will they ever alter their behavior? It’s called getting by with it.

          • ColdCountry

            I did not make the assumption that no one would forgive “Broflakes,” though I did rather get the impression that you wouldn’t. Also, I never ONCE mentioned forgiveness, though I did talk about responsibility. I also never said anything about not asking people to change, nor did I say there should be no consequences. I don’t think we are communicating well, for which I will take half of the responsibility, but no blame.

          • Christopher Smith

            You clearly made that assumption, and the logical conclusions of everything you posted were exactly as I posited them.
            We are not communicating at all, and you have nothing to say to me.
            Byebye.

          • ColdCountry

            Since you know better than I what I meant, then you’re right, I don’t need to say anything to you.

          • fuow

            If they’re mature enough to say they were wrong, I’ll extend the hand of friendship at once. Not one, not one single asswipe who did this too us in 2016 has done so. Not one. Hell, I even have Republican acquaintances who have admitted, in public, their error.

          • ColdCountry

            Neither of my Republican friends – all two of them – voted for Trump. I believe that they held their noses and voted for Hillary, ’cause they REALLY didn’t want Dump.

        • fuow

          At this point, I have written the BernieBros and Steinnüsse off completely. Ditto the non-voting gay men. There’s nothing to lose because they’re too fucking sanctimonious to learn.
          They are worse than rethuglicans, even worse than the logcabinnettes.

          • ColdCountry

            I’m sorry to hear that. I really don’t get some people.

      • Daveed_WOW

        You should direct your fury at Republicans.

        • fuow

          If you read my comments, you’ll know that I do. Doesn’t change the fact that far too many gay men didn’t and still aren’t engaged in voting.

    • David Walker

      Thank you. There’s a line in “Man of la Mancha” that goes, “Whether the stone hits the pitcher or the pitcher hits the stone, it’s going to be bad for the pitcher.” I want the xns to apologize for what they’ve done to us for forever. Obviously, not going to happen. Ever. I want the Obamas back in the White House. Can’t happen. Some things you either accept, do some heavy-duty eye rolls, and get to work together for the common good, or you continue the blame game and use “them” as the excuse. (I believe that’s been used on us for forever, too.)

      I can’t cite it (did a not-long search), but I remember very well that when Gov. Cuomo brought in several gay rights organizations, they were told that they had to leave their rivalries and their individual organizations’ beliefs at the door so they could work together to craft the bill. I remember thinking it must have been like herding cats, but it worked. Maybe, since NY became the first large population state to pass a bill on marriage equality, it might be worth a try on a national level. If we can’t compromise, how does that make us better than the GOTP?

  • Christopher Smith

    Aaaand, right at the top of the comments, the latest barrage from Bernout Broflakes/Shills for Jill. With friends like these, who needs Rethugs?

  • Ginger Snap

    Welcome to the new American not rich not white you can just fucking die. I wish my HIV took me years ago when all my friends were dying so I didn’t have to live to see this. I see my wish is going to come sooner than I thought. I hate my country now so very much.

    • Lars Littlefield

      I’m grateful you didn’t die. You’re a fierce slut and we need more people like you to keep fighting the good fight. You are loved.

      • Ginger Snap

        I’m not going anywhere it’s just when shit like this happen pertaining to HIV I think back to all my dear departed friends and think I just can’t anymore I miss them so much. I do hate what this country has become and it’s gonna suck growing old in this shit hole.

        • Lars Littlefield

          I understand, precisely.

    • boatboy_srq

      Ditto Lars. Don’t go. You’d be sorely missed.

  • fuzzybits

    Nothing surprises me anymore from these evil mother fuckers.

  • Luke Bokma

    GOOD!! haha, fuck you guys. go die of aids 🙂

  • boatboy_srq

    Apparently HIV is another godless liebrulsoshulist plot like global warming.

    EDIT: FedEx? Really? FSM forbid Lord Dampnut’s people use the UNITED EFFING STATES POSTAL SERVICE.

    #NotPatriotic