Howard Dean: Bernie Is Too Old For 2020 [VIDEO]

Mediaite reports:

Howard Dean, former DNC chair and guy whose presidential campaign was ruined because he got excited once, was on Morning Joe today, to talk President Donald Trump and the future of progressive politics, particularly in the 2018 midterm elections.

Dean gave Sen. Bernie Sanders much of the credit for boosting the idea of universal healthcare, but stopped short of saying he should be the party’s nominee 2020. Why? He’s too old, as is Dean himself.

“I’m very much for someone who is younger. I think my generation needs to get the hell out of politics,” he said. “Start coaching and start moving up this next generation who are more, I think, fiscally sane.”

  • MaryJOGrady

    I agree with Dr. Dean. (I’m still sorry he never was president, though.)

  • Dan M

    I agree

  • Mr. M

    He is too old to be President, but not too old to tear the Democratic Party apart again if he decides to run. Give us Joe Kennedy III or Kamala Harris.

    • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

      I really like Kamala Harris, but I think she needs a few terms in the Senate to build the connections for a successful presidency.

      • Todd20036

        Obama did pretty well with only one term

        • GayOldLady

          And I believe she’s has a better work resume than Barack had. She’s definitely ready. I love the woman.

          • JCF

            With all the unconstitutionality of the Current Regime, I really like putting a *prosecutor* in the Oval Office!

          • Falconlights

            I would vote for Kamala Harris in a heartbeat.

      • Reality.Bites

        She is 53. A Few terms in the senate = too old to be a viable candidate. One more term (she has 5 left on this one) max before she ages out of contention.

      • thatotherjean

        There are too many voters rabidly opposed to a female candidate for president right now. I really like Kamala Harris, but I’d like to see her as the VP for a term. Then I’d be delighted to support her run for president. Also, we need to straighten out the gerrymandering problem in this country, or at least make a start on it, to give her a decent chance.

    • j.martindale

      I doubt at 78 he will have much of a following, particularly if the Dems find a younger charismatic candidate.

      • GayOldLady

        We can hope, but he loves the influence and power so I expect him to run again.

    • GayOldLady

      How about Joe Kennedy & Kamala Harris in either order. President & VP

      • thatotherjean

        I’d like that a lot, but Republicans will be out in force against anybody named Kennedy, yawping about a political dynasty. Do Democrats have the political will to fight back? Are we going to mention the Bushes? I’d like to see us go for it, though.

        • Brian

          I don’t think it’s the Republicans you need to worry about yawping about political dynasties, given the last election cycle. Just sayin.

      • Yes

    • BlackGayVeganAtheist

      To attain the twin goals of winning in 2018 and 2020, then, Democrats need to focus their efforts on identifying and promoting politicians who truly move and inspire voters. I believe that there is one politician in particular who meets this description—who is capable of delivering what is known as a “Muskie moment.”

      GOOGLE Ed Muskie for more information about this moment

      Democrats today need a leader who can challenge the divisive politics of Donald Trump and deliver a compelling, hopeful Democratic vision. Despite the Democrats’ off-year success, the American people remain clueless about what the Democratic Party stands for. The party needs a candidate who can not only explain the Democratic plan for improving health care, truly reforming the tax code, improving education, raising wages, and combatting catastrophic climate change, but whose ideas sound fresh and exciting.

      My choice for the new face of the Democratic party is Kamala Harris, the first-term US senator from California. Harris is a woman of color who, at age 53, is neither too young nor too old to become president. She is articulate and outspoken on issues without becoming offensive. She outshone veteran Democrats in her questioning of attorney general Jeff Sessions at a Senate hearing.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/127b0ca7f0364bcaccc034ef2aeefb1e81aae206d68c7bb9f81a18680f378c2f.jpg

      • Yes, but also, Democrats need to go door to door and talk to people in their own community about issues they care about. We’ve been doing top down for decades now, only winning when Republicans fuck up so badly that they are toxic. And then 2-4 years later we’re losing again. Door to door. Look at what Democrats did in Virginia. that’s the model. It will work everywhere.

  • bkmn

    Agree 100% – time to start grooming new talent, and hopefully it will include women and people of color.

    • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

      Starting with Nancy Pelosi’s retirement

      • kaydenpat

        I love her but if she retired, I’d be okay as long as her replacement was passionate and aggressively anti-Trump.

        • Blake J Butler

          She’s a money juggernaut for democrats, she should retire as speaker and pick a strong replacement and campaign heavily for them.

          • kaydenpat

            That would work.

          • cleos_mom

            Which means that a hefty percentage of people in the party will oppose it.

      • Rambie

        She can stay in the House, just step down from leadership. Let the younger guns run things.

    • FAEN

      Grooming new talent is necessary. Will they be groomed enough for 2020 is another story.

      • bkmn

        I really want to know who in the House is being prepared to take over for Pelosi, or is she going to try to be Speaker again if we manage to retake the House? I hope not. She was effective at getting legislation through but we need to get the next generation of leaders ready yesterday.

        • FAEN

          Maybe Tim Ryan from Ohio?

  • Butch

    Could not be more off topic, but go to this link and click on some of the stuff there for comments from the publisher about Milo’s proposed book-like object. It’s not just that the publisher’s comments are worth reading, but that Milo’s proposed content just seems so unbelievably tired and worn out. I thought a little humor would be good, and the Twitter thread is funny.
    https://www.balloon-juice.com/2017/12/28/todays-must-read-edits-to-the-milo-book-from-his-lawsuit-against-simon-schuster/#comments

    • Texndoc

      90 percent of comments on his Instagram are that his newly paid for teeth are two sizes too big for his mouth. His speeches, with his readers on the tip of his nose and tightened face and those blinding whities – like a 60 year old Brit school marm trying for 22.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3589eb433bbd91fc0c5ceadc176592f27d9c4f26610bff1251fb010a3212b071.jpg

      • shellback

        Wow. Teeth made out of Chiclets. What an age we live in.

        • Texndoc

          We live in the age of a sad Milo who doesn’t like to smile these days and a giddy cosmetic dentist who probably spent the Mercer dough on a new Corvette.

      • FAEN

        WTF is that???

        • Boreal

          Chlamydia with new teeth.

          • FAEN

            LOL!

      • TheManicMechanic

        This merely increases the punchability factor.

    • cleos_mom

      But he looks young enough to run for President.

  • Bambino

    IV bags, oxygen tank, renal dialysis equipment and wheel chair at the ready. As is embalming fluid to follow Bernie’s campaign.

  • drtrmiller

    If Sanders had won the dem nomination and then beat Trump, no reasonable person would say he’s too old to serve 8 years. There are plenty of reasons not to support Sanders, but biological age shouldn’t be one of them.

    • jeffg166

      He’ll be 78 in 2 years. If he is still alive. He could drop dead like trump at any time.

      • GayOldLady

        He’ll turn 79 in September 2020, 2 months before the election. That is too old to be POTUS. And I say that as a person who’s older than Hillary but younger than Bernie.

      • Boreal

        If only trump would drop dead.

    • j.martindale

      There are very good reasons. I am 70. Your energy level declines. Your mental abilities are not as good. The job is exceptionally hectic. Few men have been presidents in their 70s (Reagan, tRump) and the results have not been good. You can argue that your candidate is an exceptional 70 year old. I won’t buy it, though.

      • jeffg166

        I will be 70 in February. I have no idea why these old people want this job.

        • j.martindale

          Power.

        • cleos_mom

          I have no idea why anyone would want that job, other than power. The salary sure wouldn’t be a motive.

          • Prost Seattle

            I don’t know. How much is Obama making now by giving speeches?

      • Gerry Fisher

        In 2020, he’d have to argue that he’s going to be an exceptional 80 year old.

        • Chuck in NYC

          Yup. I’m in my 60s, and I’ve yet to meet any 80 year old — and I remember many from when they were in their active 40s and 50s — who would be up for this job.

      • Butch

        Even with health and mental abilities aside, times change. Just as an example, if I tried to run a social media campaign the result would be pathetic, or hilarious, or both. That’s just an area where I’ve been left behind and it happens to all of us in some way.

    • robindaybird

      Sanders would’ve never win over Trump, not with the Russian Ratfucking, and how he basically blew off LGBT and black groups during the primary. Dude didn’t give a flying coitus about policy or protecting minorities, he just wanted to hammer his message and ego out to the masses.

      As for age, age restrictions isn’t necessary, but common sense please, he’d be 80 before his first year is out, and given how stressful the job is if you actually engage in it – that’s basically asking for him to drop dead before his term’s out.

      And the other thing, I’m 31, I’m on the upperend of the Millennial group – old enough to get fucking screwed by the recession and the incessant cry of ‘college or homeless bum’ pressure. Even the best candidates in the boomer group are pretty oblivious to the issues Gen Xers and Millennials are dealing with or how to address them, so someone younger – a Gen Xer or older millennial would be better, someone that won’t have health issues from stress and understand more what the younger and future generations are going to be dealing with.

  • Gay Fordham Prep Grad

    Howie, let’s get through 2018 because if we cannot take back at least one house of congress next November, there will be no point ruminating on 2020.

  • Blake J Butler

    I would post an a fucking men gif, but all I got in my results was men fucking.

    • Butch

      You’re free to post that.

    • FAEN

      Not seeing the problem.

  • GayOldLady

    I’ve been saying this for months. We need to get the younger Dems off the bench and onto the playing field. Bernie, Biden, Hillary and even Elizabeth Warren will be to old in 2020. It’s time for the old folks to coach and the younger folks to take the reins. Onward!

    • kaydenpat

      Amen to that.

      • Butch

        I think don’t discard the older talent and knowledge but also realize that their job is now to make sure they’re replaceable.

        • cleos_mom

          The delusion of reality in any context being a zero-sum game dies hard. It doesn’t have to be either Doogie Howser or Doctor Zorba but for some reason that’s not a popular idea.

        • I don’t want them to disappear. Hillary Clinton, for example, has met pretty much everyone on the international scene and can offer a lot of insight. They can still participate and should. But we need someone new as the nominee. Democrats ONLY win with a new face, never with the runners-up.

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    • Steve Smith

      I agree with you GOL. I obviously can’t speak for the political systems in the USA but here in Europe its the younger generation who are getting angry at the total stagnation and seeming lack of ambition of the existing politicians and are driving the movements for change. The right wing can only move towards fascism, but there is a huge momentum towards social democracy on the left, which is currently giving me some small reason for hope.

      • GayOldLady

        The same phenomena is happening here. I think we’ll see a blue wave in 2018, pushed forward by coalitions of Progressive people of color and women. I believe we will win back both houses of Congress, from there it’s a 2 year wait to win back the White House, but I believe IF we put young progressive Democrats on the ballot we will be successful. Our ballot cannot be old white people or old white men any longer. We must have youth, a woman and a person of color. Good luck in Europe!

        • doodlebug0

          Not Bernie socialists. His kind of politics will never win in this country. 2016 proved that.

          • Falconlights

            No to Bernie here also.

    • Ningsisa

      I actually think Warren would make a good one term VP. She has Senate experience and can advise the younger president on how to deal with GOP obstructionism. I would’ve said Al Franken just half a year ago, but, you know…

      • thatotherjean

        I hadn’t thought about that, but I agree with you. Elizabeth Warren for one term, followed by Kamala Harris, strikes me as a great idea. Anybody running with Elizabeth Warren, though, would face the likelihood of being accused of having to bring their mother along to tell them what to do as president. I can hear the attack ads now.

    • UrsusArctos 🐻

      That’s why my favorite soapbox is that we owe the weak bench to the Clintons/Obama pulling away from “the 50 state strategy”. There is NO bench across flyover country because the party focused on “safe” seats and incumbency protection. Young candidates on an upward trajectory would have been a threat to HRC.
      I voted for her, but have resented the hell out of how short sighted her team was. Without Democrats in congress a Democratic president is hobbled – see Barak Obama. There was so much left on the table because of obstruction due to too few Democrats in congress. That was as much the fault of Democratic smugness as GOP long range planning.

      • And the blue dogs. And Ted Kennedy getting sick, Norm Coleman blocking a seat, and Joe Lieberman’s Liberman-ness.

    • spot on GayOldLady

  • kaydenpat

    Thank you. Fresh blood, please.

  • Boreal
  • Gerry Fisher

    Howard’s being quite the blunt truth teller recently. I like it.

    • UrsusArctos 🐻

      He always has been. I was dismayed that he let the party machine muzzle him and buy his silence for a time. It looks as he now has no fucks to give. I like that Howard Dean MUCH more.

  • Ninja0980

    He’s right here, just as he was right when he warned Democrats that ignoring local and state races would come back to bite them in the butt (it did.)
    We need younger blood, simple as that.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Well yeah, and so is Biden.
    In fact, all of the ” Old Guard ” needs to go out to pasture.

    • FAEN

      I don’t know about that. Biden has the ability to speak to Blue Collar workers better than most. And he knows how to deal with the likes of BLOTUS.

      • Chucktech

        Fine. Talk to blue collar workers and tell them to vote for the Democratic nominee.

        • GayOldLady

          Ditto!

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        Oh I like him, but the mood for dems is for someone hot, fresh and new.

        He can consult 🙂

        • FAEN

          I’m all for hot, fresh and new as long as they know how to deal with BLOTUS and his constant lying. 😉

        • Chucktech

          Exactly. Elder Statesman is a thing.

      • GayOldLady

        This woman knows exactly how to deal with the likes of BLOTUS
        https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohzdEwCBFMHlg0l2g/200.gif

        • FAEN

          GOL-I hope I don’t across as someone that’s trying to prevent the new guard from taking over because I’m not. I’m still shaken that Hillary, who is so accomplished, lost the EC to BLOTUS. With all her experience if that can happen how much worse will it be for another woman? And it is worse for women running in general which is such BS.

          I really want BLOTUS and the GOP to lose, I’m just worried running someone not as experience will give us another BLOTUS term. The thought makes me shudder.

          • GayOldLady

            Oh, no, I never thought that of you. I know that part of the reason Hillary lost is that she’s a woman. I know there are men and women who don’t believe a woman should be POTUS. I know running another woman is risky, but if not now, when? I think if she decides to run, she will have a good chance of winning the primary because she is brilliant, beautiful and African American/Indian American. It would be a bold move, but in this case the bold move is the right move

          • FAEN

            I would love for her to run and win! Who would you want as her VP?

          • GayOldLady

            Earlier in the thread someone suggested Joe Kennedy as a running mate. I think that would be a beautiful, young, brilliant ticket.

          • JCF

            I *think* I was the first person to suggest Harris/Kennedy here at JMG.

            https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/2839/8438/original.gif

            ;-p

            [It was in response to a *Joy Reid tweet* <3 saying she thought Joe Kennedy should be in the 2020 mix. ]

          • GayOldLady

            I’m listening, it’s a great suggestion. 😀

          • There were a lot of mistakes made in that campaign. We need to learn from those mistakes and move on. Sorry, but the top level Democrats just do not understand local level politics and think they can win off a few debates and national tv ads. It’s not working. It didn’t work for John Kerry either. That was another terrible campaign. It’s not always just the candidate. Democrats SUCK at messaging. We have to get better.

          • UrsusArctos 🐻

            I drove to Charleston, SC for Xmas. Along I-85 in the Alabama Black Belt between Montgomery and the GA line there were A LOT of billboards that said “VOTE” and that was it, along with some “Doug Jones” billboards. Those were placed by 3rd party Democratic supporting organizations, not the DNC. There were YUGE GOTV efforts by 3rd party groups at HBCUs and minority communities in AL. The Democratic party needs to get off their asses and quit depending on the kindness of strangers. The Alabama senate election was an improvement, in some cases in the deep south the party has been an obstacle. Maybe they are learning, but really need to step up.

          • Waiting for the DNC is futile. In Alabama they did get-out-the-vote campaigns in African American neighborhoods and got good results from that. Too often we Democrats ignore AA voters and then complain that they didn’t participate. (And too often we don’t deliver on what we promise them, so I get why they don’t see the point of voting. That has got to change.)

    • thatotherjean

      Not so much “out to pasture” as into teaching and mentoring the up-and-coming Democrats–if we can create some “up-and-coming” Democrats.

      • Ragnar Lothbrok

        Yes, yes indeedy

  • Boreal
    • Todd20036

      Obama looks pretty damn good

    • jimbo65

      The way the presidency will age 45 is he’ll gain an extra jowl. But the color of his wig will stay the same.

    • Reality.Bites

      If you can guarantee the bottom right, I’m in. Like totally.

  • AtticusP

    Age shouldn’t necessarily preclude Bernie’s running, but it’s high time the Democrats started grooming new talent, e.g., Joe Kennedy III, Seth Moulton, Kamala Harris, etc.

    They are the future. Providing that Trump and Company leave us with a future.

    • Todd20036

      It’s not age that I have a problem with Sanders, it’s the fact that he isn’t a democrat, treated the democratic party as his own personal stepping stone, and left Hillary CLinton twisting in the wind well past his expiration date.

      He is too old on top of all that.

      • FAEN

        Besides-shouldn’t he be running the coming ‘revolution’?

      • JackNasty

        Contrary to Clintonista dogma, Sanders endorsed Hillary and campaigned for her during the general election in 2016.

        • PeedeResistance

          Contrary to Bernout alternative facts, Sanders’ ‘endorsement’ of Clinton was nearly as perfunctory as his minimal ‘campaigning’ for her–and, worst of all, he refused to call off his rabid Broflakes even after he lost the nomination.

    • canoebum

      If Bernie wants to run as Democrat, he needs to first join the Democratic Party. Enough with the “independents” running for major party nominations.

      • Boreal

        Only on our side. Repugs would never ever let a non-repug run on their ticket.

        • cleos_mom

          And for good and plenty reasons.

        • JackNasty

          You mean like Donald Trump?

          In 1999 Trump ran for the Presidency on the Reform Party ticket, but dropped out of the race. From 2001 to 2008, Trump identified himself as a Democrat.

          • Boreal

            Trump ran as a republican. Bernie has not joined the Democratic party.

        • thatotherjean

          They did this last time, and look what it got them. They won’t ;make that mistake again for a long, long time. Some of them are getting what they want, but their party is a mess, and it’s Trump’s fault. The Democratic Party is also a mess, but that’s business as usual.

      • GayOldLady

        Bernie only ran as a Democrat last time because he needed the resources of the Party, the exposure of DNC primary debates and the DNC Donor Database which was/is priceless. He will not run as a Democrat if he runs again. He got what he wanted last time around.

        • danolgb

          Yup… I feel like Bernie will run as an independent unless the Dems clear a path for him. And at this moment, all signs point towards him planning to run. He’s certainly running to enough cameras. And, as we saw in 2016, he doesn’t care what collateral damage he causes on the way.

    • GayOldLady

      I’m of a different mindset about the age of POTUS. Bernie will turn 79 in September of 2020. I’m a bit younger than Bernie and I don’t think 79 is too old to be a Statesman in the role of Senator or House member, but it’s too old for the work associated with being POTUS. We can see that Trump at 71 isn’t up to it. He spends more time resting than working. There should be an upper age limit for POTUS just like there’s an age limit for running for POTUS. 25 is too young to be POTUS (although there are likely some exceptions) and 75 is too old (although there are likely some exceptions). I’m not sure what the upper range should be, but a man/woman nearing 80 has no business running for POTUS.

      • Chucktech

        My dear, age is the least of The Donald’s problems.

        • GayOldLady

          True That!

      • AtticusP

        I take your point, but I think that arguably Trump wasn’t up to the job of POTUS at any age. Period.

        • Chucktech

          Grotesquely and demonstrably unfit and unqualified. That really is it, in a nut shell.

        • GayOldLady

          Intellectually I agree, he was never prepared for the job, but physically I disagree. In his 60’s he could have handled it, but in his 70’s he’s a walking physical disaster area. I truly believe he has severe cognitive issues

          • AtticusP

            I’m convinced that the 12 diet Cokes that he reportedly consumes each day are affecting his mental health. All those chemicals can’t be good for any human being.

            Add to that his Big Mac/KFC habit, and you have a heart attack or stroke waiting to happen.

          • Chucktech

            And god knows we’re waiting…

          • GayOldLady

            The aspartame alone is killer. That, along with the grease and fat he consumes everyday are dangerous. I remember seeing during the election that he’s on cholesterol meds, which likely gives him a false sense of security. I’ve noticed his hair is thinning at warp speed and that he’s gotten even heavier since taking office. He’s fooling himself if he thinks his genetics are going to save him.

          • AtticusP

            I think we have Caligula in a suit and tie in the White House, and the sooner that he’s run out of there the better, as far as I’m concerned.

            And his little Pence, too.

          • William

            Trump has had psychiatric problems his entire life. It’s suprising that he isn’t a serial killer.

          • sadoldguy

            Who says he isn’t?

          • UrsusArctos 🐻

            He is now.

          • thatotherjean

            He doesn’t have it in him to be a successful serial killer. He’d be caught as soon as he tweeted about his first murder.

      • Reality.Bites

        I think elected office in a democracy needs to be open to all citizens of voting age without restriction. Or else it’s not a democracy.

        If the public can’t be trusted to choose wisely, bandaid rules aren’t going to help.

        The problem posed by Trump is NOT “Don’t let old people run for President.” It’s “Don’t elect senile Nazi Russian agents.”

        • GayOldLady

          Well, we know the public can’t be trusted to choose wisely. I wish I agreed with you, but I don’t want an 18 year old to be POTUS or an 80 year old to be POTUS. I was 18 years old and I raised 4 children and none of them should have been POTUS. Now I’m in my 70’s and I don’t know any 70+ year old person who I would want as POTUS. There is no job on the planet more stressful, that ages a person more quickly than POTUS, just look at what 8 years did to Barack. I understand where you’re coming from, as a woman I’m keenly aware that women have only been voting for 97 years, but I think there’s too much scientific evidence of cognitive and general health decline that occurs in people in their 70’s to tempt fate to that degree, especially where the cognitive issues are concerned.

        • bzrd

          The United States is a republic not a democracy,
          evidence
          the 2016 election
          Hillary had almost 3 million more votes

  • margaretpoa

    The old guard still have ways in which they can be useful and influential. Running for President at 80 years old isn’t one of those ways. “Ageism” aside, 80 is already beyond the average life expectancy and being the President doesn’t make one younger or more invigorated. Unless you’re a shitgibbon and use the office as a way to play more golf and make more “deals”.

    • Michael White

      Very well put. Ageism aside. As an old fart I know how, despite good health, working full time, my mind is not as fast or sharp as it used to be. I hope I have enough experience and wisdom to share with the younger folks who will take my place. That is the role we take when we age: mentors, supporters. But we step aside with grace and let those with more energy and new ideas take the helm.

  • RealityBass

    H’s right. Bernie and Elizabeth Warren have a role to play, but the Dems need a younger candidate for president. And nationwide they need to start letting Gen X take over. I’m a boomer, and it’s time for us to pass the torch.

    • Reality.Bites

      And a reminder that Sanders and Biden aren’t even bloody baby boomers. They’re too OLD!

  • FAEN

    I agree however if we don’t find a young charismatic pol to lead the party we’ll have no choice but to run some of the old guard. If that happens Biden would be my choice.

    • Boreal

      If that happens Biden should choose Kamala Harris for VP and then retire after one term.

    • GayOldLady

      Biden will be 78 years in April of 2020. He’s too old. I think those of us who are older need to stand up and say that there comes a time when a person is too old to be POTUS and Biden, Bernie, Warren are there or will be there in 2020. There is no future for this party if it continues to allow it’s young, vibrant talent to sit on the bench and get older waiting to get into the game.

      • If they did that for SCOTUS we’d be so fucked right now.

        • GayOldLady

          Well, the life of a SCOTUS is much different than a POTUS.

          • bzrd

            I’m with you GOL, at 72, I want the younger ones to move up. Fresh ideas are badly needed. Kamala Harris is very smart and could be with any of the other young ones.

  • William

    Yes! We need to find candidates who are under 70.

  • Natty Enquirer

    Candidates need to be judged on their individual merits. Dean veers toward the fallacious appeal to novelty.

  • sadoldguy

    Yes, younger candidates.

    They don’t need a perfect resume to do the job.
    They do need a basic understanding of how government works, and most importantly, they need intelligence, an interest and willingness to learn and energy, and integrity.

    The ‘old guard’ would be better as mentors and advisers.

    The presidency isn’t a one person job, it’s more of a team leader position.

  • margaretpoa

    With his raspy voice and perennially disheveled look and fly away hair, Bernie was too old for 2016.

  • wineflask

    Bernie Sanders gets told by a political commentator that he’s too old to run in 2020.

    Hillary Clinton gets told by Vanity Fair that she should stop doing political work (she already said she won’t run) and take up knitting.

    No, there is no sexism at all in our culture. /sarcasm

    • Chucktech

      Bernie Sanders IS too old, and Vanity Fair should go fuck off.

  • cleos_mom

    Issues about either of the 2016 primary candidates aside, I’m not at all confident about these specific “age prescriptions” for Democrats.

    Not sure what the solution would be, but radical and academic-y as this may sound, how about a range of ages? It would go along with that uncomfortable reality of a political party needing to represent more than one cult-worthy following of any age group. Purity ponies and true believers be damned; they’ve done nothing but damage to the Democratic party since the early 1980s.

  • Mike

    Leave it to a Democrat to get it right, then take a sharp turn to make sure he gets it wrong too before he’s finished—with a twist of pandering to the millennial “we hate old people” thing.

    Yes, Bernie is too old to run for president because he is too old to be elected president. That’s a pity, because Bernie’s spirit and outlook are entirely youthful and optimistic, inspiring people to fight for what’s right and to spread the word. Meanwhile, the young Democratic leaders on deck, like Seth Moulton of Massachusetts, are urging appeasement and capitulation to the right, a surrender of values because it’s easier to pander to low-info voters than it is to inform them and bring them around.

    • CanuckDon

      Younger candidates can be too easily intimidated as well which has always been the strong weapon of the bullying rightwing plus most youngsters are operating on their need to impress which opens them to manipulation. A strong sense of self isn’t easily attained before mid-life.

  • Happy_Housewife

    THANK YOU, DEAN! Can we get someone who’s not a hundred years old for a nominee please?

  • sadoldguy

    Another advantage of a younger candidate, less historical dirt to be uncovered.
    Sucks, but …

  • Karl Dubhe 2

    Someone in their early forties would be good.

  • Treant

    I can’t say I’m concerned too much about age one way or the other…the 25th Amendment is supposed to take care of things like that, but that only works in an honest administration.

    I’m more concerned about Bernie running because he’s an asshole. On the off chance he might win, I’d have to force myself to go vote for the fuckwad over whoever the Republicans put up. He’s already said he’s happy to screw me over on “identity politics.”

    So I’d say let’s comment less on age than on political acumen, and Bernie’s complete lack of any ability.

  • greenmanTN

    Can someone please explain this to me. A Jewish avowed Socialist Independant who has never passed a piece of meaningful legislation and looks like the kooky scientist in a John Hughes movie was going to surf into the Presidency. Really?

    Whether or not he should have been the candidate is a moot point anyway. We are talking 2020 and Me-Maw needs to go away.

    • Treant

      Like I said. It’s less about the age and more about the (lousy) candidate in this case.

      • greenmanTN

        I’m not sure what you mean. Bernie is compelling? I am legitimately proud that my old white southern mother registered to vote for the first time in years to vote for Obama. It was years before 2016 and my only recollection of her mentioning Sanders was “I bet he spits on you when he talks.”

        • Treant

          The opposite; Bernie is a lousy candidate and decidedly not compelling. In the Primary, I literally would have crawled over broken glass to vote against Bernie. Fortunately, I like Hillary Rodham Clinton and was happy to vote for her.

          But Bernie had also imploded by the time the Acela Primaries and Pennsylvania came up. As to whether it was the disturbing kiddie porn writings or the completely repetitive speeches, I can’t say.

          • greenmanTN

            I never got the appeal. He looks like he spits when he talks and what he says is appealing yet so devoid of details as to be meaningless.

          • Treant

            And frankly? Once you’ve heard it for the third time, literally word for word, why does anybody still listen?

            There were very few Democratic candidates I’ve loathed. Fortunately, Bernie’s not a Democrat and I don’t have to add him to the list.

          • Ninja0980

            He was done after NY yet he still chose to be stupid and selfish and drag it out, the consequences be damned.

    • bzrd

      Sanders made me grumpy, always the independent until he crawled onto the back of the Democratic party then slowly slithered away but still making demands. Hillary worked hard to earn money for the party, where was Bernie?

  • Jerry Kott

    TOOOOO old, along with Biden. Bernie Santa has run out of HOT air.

  • MooseMalloy

    Bernie is a Russian stooge in the pay of Vlad Putin and the GOP!

  • GreatLakeSailor

    Man oh Man, Tom Perez and the neolib CorpraDem establishment gotta have a woody reading this thread.

    Sanders BAD BAD BAD!!1!

    Harris and other moneyed operatives (say, Dean for instance) for the 1% are our only hope!!1!

  • andrew

    Guys like Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden are great progressive voices, but Sanders at 79 in 2020 and Biden at 78 are too old to take on the presidency. They should use their voices now to campaign for Democrats in 2018 and support younger progressives for the presidency in 2020. Right now they should be laser focused on 2018 elections.

  • TheManicMechanic

    Cue the ‘Bros to start rehashing “The Scream.”

    • I love dim sum

      Cue the Hillbillies being triggered constantly that their corrupt diva queen can’t win elections.

      • joe ho

        lol. Bernie couldn’t even win California. And that was with Wikileaks, Putin and the GOP helping him out.

        Delete yourself. You’re Brocialist slime.

      • TheManicMechanic

        She won more votes than Trump, and Bernie didn’t even show.

  • Bernie is too old and so is Hillary. They can both fundraise and even offer advice, but it’s time for someone younger and fresher.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    The fact is 2016 was pretty much the last hurrah for many in the old guard of both parties, though the GOP still doesn’t see it. That said, the Democrats need to look to new and younger blood if they’re to move forward and, with any luck, undo the damage done by Trump and all those who support him, either by commission or omission (you know who you are and you must never be allowed to forget).

    So, the wisest course of action would be to have both Bernie and Hillary, if not at arms length, then at the very least in a more supporting role rather than active one in the elections to come. With that done, the question then turns to who do they run on the ticket….best think of it sooner rather than later.

    One other important point, because this cannot and should not be overlooked; all of this hinges on the 2018 midterms. If the left, liberals and like minded voters can’t get their collective shit together, get over the purity bullshit and vote in progressive candidates down ticket as well as top, then 2020 will be almost impossible to deal with.

    NOTE: I realize I’m just a dirty nasty unclean foreigner who, as some have noted, should “stop commenting on our elections”, I have to say that while it is not my country, I (we) have to live beside you….so yeah, it effects us so I will say my peace as I see fit.

    • fuow

      You are so right. Ab-so-fuckin’-lute-ly right. Yeah, there’s a lot of liberals around here who are so steeped in the mindfulness, PC and ‘psycho-babble’ bullshit that they can’t see where our ‘moral’ victories have put us.
      Others of us have had the opportunity to learn what happens when rethugs and christers rule.
      But, heh – I’m the one with ‘anger-issues’, right? So, what the heh – come sit over here by me and I’ll be the angry whack-job and you be the dirty furiner’. We’ll watch the special little snowflakes get marched off to the KZ after they cause us to lose 2018 and 2020.

      • Ninja0980

        Many of the folks you talk about are the only ones more upset about wins by Democrats in VA and AL then Republicans are.
        And that is because many of the ones who won don’t worship at the alter of St. Bernie.

        • fuow

          Yeah. I’m glad Bernie drove my party a bit to the left (we’re still to Richard Nixon’s right), but, gosh – this self-mutilation and belief that ‘moral’ victories matter is killing us.
          Literally. How many millions of children lose their healthcare in three days?

  • JackNasty

    Democrats have nothing to worry about with Senator Sanders. for 2020

    However, the 2018 congressional elections are approaching. Democrats should worry about House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer reading their tired, timid responses to GOP outrages from file cards.

    • Cackalaquiano

      They’re SO charismatic 🙄

  • I love dim sum

    LOL, Howard Dean is an absolute shill and corporate donation seeking sellout for the DNC. He says Bernie is too old, but in the next breath says that Biden is a good choice for 2020. He also has no issue with Nancy Pelosi who acts like she has dementia, and Dianne Feinstein, who is 84 years old and is running for another term next year (hopefully she loses to a real progressive).

    Dean is just speaking to the hilariously ignorant and uninformed MSNBC viewers, who think they are liberal but are really just closeted Republicans. People like him are why I permanently left the Democratic Party last year (along with 20 million other people). Keep blaming RUSSIA OMG! though like the xenophobes you are.

    • fuow

      And just exactly how did your handing the entire government – House, Senate, White House and Supreme Court to the Republicans advance your ‘truly left’ cause?

      • Alfredo C

        Newsflash, YOU handed all of that plus 69 out of 99 state legislatures and 15 out of 50 governorships over to Republicans.

        Only the most delusional and uncritical registered Dems could think that Clinton having total control of the party and every penny it had and proceeding to lose to the most unqualified and unpopular candidate an US history is anybody else’s fault but her own.

        That’s like adult morons losing their house and car and blaming their rebellious teenager. LOL, twit.

        • joe ho

          lol. a brain-dead berniebot.

          3rd term elections are very hard to win unless the economy is booming.

          it took wikileaks, putin, gop voter suppression and a rogue fbi to bring her down. still won more votes than any other candidate except obama 2008.

          bernie couldn’t even win california.

          delete yourself, you’re a moron.

          • Alfredo C

            Aw, looks like a triggered a sad, lonely registered Dem trolling the internet for human contact.

            The Democratic party is a loser and only the most uncritical and frankly, low-IQ can believe sticking with a losing strategy is going to make all their dreams come true. Someday.

            Good luck with all that, skid mark!

          • joe ho

            lol.

            dress up as che guevara and go play in rush hour freeway traffic.

            the us isn’t going to be turning into a brocialist workers’ paradise.

            keep on undermining gradual, progressive change. 2000. 2016. you’ll get us all the way back to the dark ages with your political naivete and folly.

    • Alfredo C

      Nailed it.

  • Max_1
  • Alfredo C

    If the Dems run Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris, Corey Booker or (much less likely Tim Kaine or How Biden) Trump will win a second term (assuming he hasn’t been impeached).

    The angry working whites who used to represent the Union wing of the Democratic party made their choice in ’16 and there’s no intelligent reason to think that more lying corporate shills in the Clinton mold will get them to change their minds in ’20.

    I don’t care how old Bernie (or Warren) is, if the Dems don’t run a progressive who refuses to take corporate or Super PAC $$$, they will lose again.

    • f the Dems don’t run a progressive who refuses to take corporate or Super PAC $$$, they will lose again.

      But you want them to run Bernie Sanders, who is all too willing to ignore progressive needs and take corporate money and massive amounts of help from super pacs. Corporate money which he funnels in to his own family’s pockets, as he has been chided for doing multiple times (many times moreso than the Clinton family has, for that matter).

      • Alfredo C

        Link your source for this nonsense. We’ll wait.

        • Sure thing.

          An older one from before the election:
          https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/01/bernie-sanders-family-money

          During the election:
          https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/11/1525428/-FEC-releases-damning-639-pages-of-violations-by-Bernie-Sanders-campaign
          He was eventually fined for this one, by the way.

          An investigation still going on this year regarding funneling funds in to his family’s assets, and potentially committing bank fraud in the process:
          https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-and-jane-sanders-under-fbi-investigation-for-bank-fraud-hire-lawyers/

          That’s just from the past two years. He wasn’t exactly known for his progressive activism beforehand, even his supposed support for gay marriage only came after Vermont forced his hand– he was still saying gay marriage shouldn’t be a thing and civil unions should instead back when Clinton first came out in support of gay marriage.

          And of course, regarding super pacs:
          https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/campaign-finance/
          He lacked skill at getting donors, but he certainly did accept help from super pacs, and that’s just the official ones that supported him, rather than the ones that took money in order to attack Clinton or Trump.

          Regarding where he SPENT all that money that was donated to him:

          http://fortune.com/2016/05/12/bernie-sanders-fundraising-donations-spent/
          tl;dr: Sanders spent his campaign donations in the same way Clinton did, and you’re going around calling her a corporate shill– which makes him the exact same kind of corporate shill, as he was a patron for the exact same big airlines, the exact same big hotel chains, purchased ads on the exact same biggest media outlets, and so on, as she was, tossing money at big corporations and schmoozing up to them in the course of his campaign, while pretending he wasn’t doing it when the cameras were pointed at him.

          Pretending that Sanders is some kind of perfect angel who’s the answer to all your dreams is delusional, but delusional behavior is the norm for a berniebro.

          • joe ho

            bernobos and trumpanzees are very much alike.

        • Of course, I don’t expect evidence to sway you. Fanatics rarely care about reality.

          • Alfredo C

            What a load of garbage. I could link a whole bunch of articles about everything from Whitewater to Benghazi about Hillary that would add up to a bunch of allegations that were NEVER proved anywhere. Which is certainly what you Hillbots would charge if any of the 35 years of attacks on her were brought up. LOL, Jees, this is what you call making a case?

            You people are the reason Trump is in office and the Dems have lost 69 of 99 state legislatures and all but 15 out of 50 governorships. Your delusional “faith” is the horse-dung fed to you by the Establishment. What a pack of uncritical losers.

          • Called it. Enjoy your delusion. I’ll be working in the real world instead.

          • Alfredo C

            Will do, Brandeen. While you’re working hard in the real world to get Trump reelected, my delusion is going to make a lot of trouble for the Dems in ’18 & ’20.

          • The tragedy here is all this energy you’re shitting out on the internet being a pathetic whiny little bitch could have instead gone to progressive causes instead.

          • Alfredo C

            Oops, looks like I struck a nerve. LOL
            Oh well, it’s bound to happen with such an easy target. Have fun losing in 18 & 20, Brandeen!

          • joe ho

            lol. nonsense. you’re the reason trump;s in power.

            pied piper bernie couldn’t even win california. and that was with wikileaks, putin, and the gop helping him out.

            delete yourself. you’re a waste of resources.

          • JackNasty

            Only Hillary can beat Trump. /s

          • joe ho

            lol. it took wikileaks, russia, a rogue fbi, gop voter suppression and a vicious prolonged attack from the far-left to bring her down.

            she still won more votes than any other candidate in history except obama 2008.

            the gop hate machine would have crushed bernie like a bug.

            delete yourself. you, like bernie and kremlin jill, are putin’s useful idiots.

        • JackNasty

          Like the Clintons, she just makes stuff up.

    • JCF

      Buh-Bye, Bro!

      • Alfredo C

        See ya, Cletus!

        • joe ho

          lol. How many rubles is Putin channeling to you?

      • JackNasty

        Look another Clintonista attacking their favorite strawman, the mythical “Bernio Bro”, created by the Clinton campaign, and alienating everyone but themselves in the process.

        Way to win in 2016! Keep doing the same thing in 2018 and beyond!

  • He is. Also, he’s a shitty organizer who’s gotten basically nothing done throughout most of his life.

    • Alfredo C

      Hillbot alert. Must be cold in Moscow this time of year, Natasha.

      • joe ho

        lol. says a kremlin jill snake.

      • JackNasty

        Clintonistas are out in force, alienating everyone but other Clintonistas with their malicious misinformation.

        • joe ho

          more like an invasion by the bernobos and kremlin jill vipers.

  • Lawerence Collins
  • Matt

    Sanders would have been crushed in the general election last year and would get crushed against ANY GOP opponent in 2020.

    • JackNasty

      Yes, only Hillary could defeat Donald Trump. She was so qualified she didn’t need to campaign in Michigan, Pennsylvania, or Wisconsin.

      • Were there really voters who were on the fence in those states, who decided to vote Trump, because Hillary didn’t stump in their state? Really?

  • Scribble Writer 🌹 ☭

    got hounded by some other people in my dsa local for saying this very thing the other day, but it’s true he’s just really too old at this point. i’d rather have a further left candidate than bernie anyway, but i doubt that will be an option

    at least give me a left-leaning progressive/soft-socialist like carlos rosa or someone like that. zero chance i would vote for somebody like kamala harris or mark zuckerberg. if they run any kind of corporate dem i’ll just vote third party

    • Alfredo C

      Hear, hear!

    • joe ho

      lol. in other words you’ll effectively be voting gop.

  • jerrydoubleu .

    this from a screeching democrat loser sellout lobbiest

    • joe ho

      lol. this from a berniebro kremlinjillbot. more of putin’s useful idiots.

  • joe ho

    Great read by chess master Gary Kasparov.

    Hey Bernie Don’t Lecture Me About Socialism–I Lived Through It

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/garry-kasparov-hey-bernie-dont-lecture-me-about-socialism-i-lived-through-it

    • Socialism Soviet style is different than socialism Bernie/ Danish-Norwegian-Finnish-Swedish style… so tiresome of cold-war short mindedness

      that beign said, the dems really gotta get the deadwood out, and infuse the party with new voices, ideas… or we will all die…

      Spending the holidays in Denmark… why the world can’t look seriously at this”socialism” is beyond my comprehension…

      • joe ho

        Kasparaov addresses the red herring of the Scandinavian socialist model.

        • He doesnt know anything about Scandnavia.. sorry. That USAans continue to think Socialism is Soviet is a crime and deeply sad… there are other models for capitalist/socialism that function… or can be adapted. There are still rich people here, yet you have a burocracy and system that functions to the good of the population… not a red herring at all.

          • joe ho

            lol. He knows more about socialism than you do, whether in russia or in scandinavia. European socialism lives off of the developments made possible by american capitalism.

    • andrew

      There are many fine socialist programs in our U.S. capitalist system: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, workman’s compensation, child labor laws, truth in lending and advertising laws, unemployment compensation, minimum wage laws, graduated income taxes, etc. Capitalism is a great engine to drive the economy, but it must be regulated so that it meets the needs of the vast majority of the people. Right now I think that our system needs a lot more regulation so that the top 1% are not in possession of a large majority of our nations wealth. We don’t need a pure socialist system that over regulates the economy, but we do need center left Democrats that put in enough regulations to make it work better for the vast majority.

  • JDS

    Reminds me of a line from the movie “In & Out”. She was to OLD for Yentle.

  • Agreed. Let Donald Trump be the last gasp of his generation, at least in presidential politics. Please!

  • caroleeena

    You don’t get much more “fiscally sane” than Bernie. While I agree about moving people up, I also would vote for Bernie in a second. Move up others to the Senate and the House and locally but don’t be ageist. Bernie is in way better shape than many much younger people.

  • leastyebejudged

    Who ?

  • J Ascher

    Yeah, if not for the Clinton machine, the Democrats could have been grooming younger people to run for office!

  • ‘Til Tuesday

    A lot of us forget that when Barak Obama first decided to run for the Democratic nomination, a lot of people had no clue who he was, and said “Who is that young whippersnapper?”. He was known in Illinois, but he had no national exposure, and if I recall had done but one term in the US Senate. He had the temerity to take on none other than Hillary Clinton, the “heir apparent” of the Democratic Party. The rest is history, and what a great history it was! Remember how thrilled we were on the night he won in 2008, when he and Michelle took the stage in Grant Park in Chicago?

    The point is, there seems to be no “Barak Obama” on the Democratic stage yet, but who knows who’s waiting off-stage behind the curtains? Someone (or several someones) will step forward and run in due time – a new face that we don’t yet know. There are lots of possibilities, but the person that ends up running under the DNC banner may be someone we never thought of. Some of us are fretting that there seems to be no one who’s risen up yet – that fresh-face we’re all longing for. Be patient – it’ll happen. I think the torch will pass to a new, younger candidate in 2020.

  • justmeeeee

    Forget it, Howard. Your day is passed. You’re not getting the nomination. Ever.