NEW POLL: 41% Support Impeachment Hearings

NBC News reports:

The new survey finds that 41 percent of Americans want Congress to hold impeachment hearings to remove Trump from office, including 70 percent of Democrats, 40 percent of independents and seven percent of Republicans.

That data largely mirrors the shares within each party that believe that the Trump campaign actively colluded with Russia during the 2016 election.

Overall, 38 percent of Americans believe there was collusion, 35 percent believe there was not and 26 percent say they don’t know enough to say.

Those who believe collusion occurred include 65 percent of Democrats, 35 percent of independents and six percent of Republicans.

  • Joe in PA

    And I’d like to hear the reason that 30% of Democrats don’t want that. I’m pretty sure he has to be impeached before he leaves the WH in cuffs.

    • Gustav2

      They want it, but are waiting for the evidence and don’t want to rile up Fox Newsers and the Trumpsters to defend him at the polls next Fall.

      • Joe in PA

        Yeah, I assumed that if you want “impeachment” that you have the evidence. These polls are stupid. 🙂

        • greenmanTN

          Where there’s smoke, there’s a giant dumpster fire.

    • Treant

      (Waves hand) Too early, insufficient evidence, and it would be nothing more than an excuse for the Republican-dominated House and Senate to have a kangaroo court and clear him of all charges.

      They’ll do the same later, but at that point, there will be more evidence and it’ll be more obvious to people that it was a politically-motivated scam. Hopefully that will add a little more fuel to the demonstrations that follow, although I think a general strike will eventually be necessary.

      • Joe in PA

        Like I said…I hate polls. Every poll should include the option “O – this poll is stupid and needs context.

        • Treant

          Exactly. It’s why I loathe taking personality tests when job searching.

          I can legitimately answer “Stupid and needs context” about 80% of the time.

          • Joe in PA

            Yikes, they give employment “personality tests”? Scary. I’m blissfully retired thank jeebus!

          • Treant

            Yes, and one place that pissed me the fuck off got the “sociopath” answers just for fun.

    • JAKvirginia

      Because they want a hangin’, or worse, but the PC crowd doesn’t like that kinda talk.

  • Gustav2

    That’s nice, but please wait for the evidence. Until then, D’s don’t campaign on it, it will only drive up Trumpsters’ participation rate in 2018.

    • gaycuckhubby

      Agreed. What would they be impeaching on right now?

      • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

        Here is a list that Alternet put together. And I don’t think its comprehensive. What about denying any Russian interference in our elections and making zero effort to increase election security, therefore shirking his sworn duty to protect our Democracy. Here’s their list.

        1. Obstructing justice.
        2. Violating the Foreign Emoluments Clause and Domestic Emoluments Clause of the U.S. Constitution.
        3. Conspiring with others to commit crimes against the United States involving the solicitation and intended receipt by his presidential campaign of things of value from a foreign government and other foreign nationals, and to conceal those violations.
        4. Advocating illegal violence, giving aid and comfort to white supremacists and neo-Nazis, and undermining constitutional protections of equal protection under the law.
        5. Abusing the pardon power. The president’s pardon of former Arizona sheriff Joseph Arpaio, who had been convicted of criminal contempt of court for willfully violating a court order to stop violating the constitutional rights of Latino drivers, abused the pardon power by sending the dangerous message that similarly inclined unscrupulous law enforcement officials could not only
        violate individual rights, but could violate court orders requiring
        them to stop violating those rights with impunity because the president would support them.
        6. Threatening nuclear war against foreign nations, undermining and subverting the essential diplomatic functions and authority of federal agencies, including the Department of State, and engaging in other conduct that grossly and wantonly endangers the peace and security of the United States, its people and people of other nations, by heightening the risk of hostilities involving weapons of mass destruction, with reckless disregard for the risk of death and grievous bodily harm.
        7. Directing or endeavoring to direct law enforcement, including the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, to investigate and prosecute political adversaries and others, for improper purposes not justified by any lawful function of his office, thereby eroding the rule of law, undermining the independence of law enforcement from politics, and compromising the constitutional right to due process of law.
        8. Undermining the freedom of the press.

        • Gustav2

          Republicans can say those are just “political” judgments and not “high crimes and misdemeanors.”

          • kaydenpat

            The same Republicans who voted to impeach President Bill Clinton over a consensual blowjob?

          • gaycuckhubby

            Actually lying under oath. Which Trump has not done. Yet.

          • RoFaWh

            Only because Trump hasn’t as yet had to testify under oath since becoming (sob!) President.

          • gaycuckhubby

            I agree. And I think that makes it premature

          • Gustav2

            Yup, do you know who they really are?

          • gaycuckhubby

            I would agree too.

          • Bad Tom

            ANY impeachment is a political trial. By definition.

        • kaydenpat

          Wow. Impressive list. If Democrats take control of Congress, they should promptly move to impeach Trump. They have more than enough reasons to do so.

        • gaycuckhubby

          I think most of those are stretching it. There’s a reason that it should be difficult to impeach the president, otherwise we would never have a president passed a year or two.

          • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

            His violation of the Emoluments clause is pretty damn obvious and blatant as is his obstruction of justice. Remember the interview where he stated that why he fired Comey? And while not on the list, with 17 intelligence agencies indicating the Russians interfered in our election, don’t you think our President has a duty to protect the election process? Its one of the most basic underpinnings of our democracy. Our military has died helping other countries hold democratic elections and yet Trump does nothing to protect our country.

            The real problem is with all three branches of Government under the same control, are their any consequences for lawbreaking?

  • gaycuckhubby

    Those numbers seem about right.

    • Gustav2

      This is the part I like better:

      A new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds just 36% of Americans say that they will definitely or probably vote for Donald Trump if he runs for reelection in 2020, while half indicate that they’ll definitely or probably support his Democratic general election challenger.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Agreed. I think this is the way to beat him.

  • Tawreos

    He will flip when he learns that more people support his impeachment than approve of his job performance.

    • Joe in PA

      Nah…to him it’s just “fake news”. 🙁

    • Reality.Bites

      Ooh, what are things Trump will never be told, Alec?

      • Tawreos

        I hope that is the case or we will be in a war before New Years

  • Boreal
    • Gustav2

      It is funny how all the old folk in the local newspaper are defending the tax scam not realizing their Social Security and Medicare benefits will be the first to be cut.

      • Boreal

        Won’t they be surprised?

        • Gustav2

          They shouldn’t be, Speaker Ryan has dicussed that dream since he was standing around at a frat kegger.

          • Tawreos

            If you’d said masturbating to Ayn Rand in his room on a lonely Saturday night it would be more believable.

          • Boreal

            We have the same in our local paper and many of them claim others are lazy and should work harder to make more money, ignoring the fact that they will scream the loudest when their SS and Medicare take a hit.

          • Tawreos

            They always believe that the GOP will cut the minorities and immigrants SS and Medicare and leave theirs alone.

          • Gustav2

            Because in their minds, that is how the Constitution works.

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          • FAEN

            How can a group be this empty headed and dense?

          • Tawreos

            Years of being fed bullshit by Limbaugh and Fox

          • FAEN

            Not empathetic of me but when that happens I want others to tell them to “stop being lazy and work harder” for their benefits.

          • jerry

            Most of these letters to the editor were ghost-written, and they got locals to sign their names to them. Ours was written by a state group leader of Americans For Prosperity, the Koch-funded group.

          • Boreal

            I’m not surprised by that at all. We have a bunch of local crackpots so I recognize their names.

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          • JT

            But they will be surprised. They are just too stupid and lazy to learn or investigate.

        • vorpal

          …or dead.

          • Boreal

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        • FAEN

          They’ll blame Obama.

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      I want them stamped on their big ugly foreheads.

      • Boreal

        Traitor, racist and republican stamped all over their faces.

      • RoFaWh

        Tattooed.

    • OdieDenCO

      isn’t that what happened to the south?

      • Boreal

        It should have been a permanent policy.

    • kaydenpat

      Yes indeed.

  • netxtown

    He could avoid all of this if he’s just drop dead.

    Just saying….

  • Ranger One

    Trump is a douche. He bragged and bragged, and now his pants are down, and he is still crying.

    • gaycuckhubby

      I don’t know man, he’s got a depressingly impressive amount of his agenda accomplished in the first year.

      • Ranger One

        Like Karl Marx said. Just wait until his “accomplishment” turn to crap.

  • netxtown

    I was gonna send a xmas card – just not sure of the address with all this impeachment stuff going on….

    • Tawreos

      Just put Asshole in Chief and they will make sure it gets to the right place.

  • Cackalaquiano

    Wow. Way OT, but a story that reminds us every freakin’ vote matters. A one-vote victory for Dems in the Virginia House of Delegates that creates a 50/50 split in the chamber:
    http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/government-politics/newport-news-recount-shows-democrat-winning-by-just-one-vote/article_89f73889-cf56-5124-b4eb-0cd0794e6361.html

    • Tawreos

      It should be interesting to see if the chamber is able to get anything accomplished at all with neither party having a majority.

      • Cackalaquiano

        I had the impression in the past that the Virginia legislature was fairly bipartisan. Not sure if that’s still the case (if it ever truly was)

    • FAEN

      There is another VA race where almost 150 people were given the incorrect ballot so they are having a revote I hear. If the Dems wins it will be a 51-50 advantage for us. Plus the Governor and Lt Governor are also Dems 😁

  • kaydenpat

    41% is kind of low. I suppose Mueller’s investigation findings will fix that but that won’t be for awhile.

  • ChrisMorley

    OT

    US will ‘take names of those who vote to reject Jerusalem recognition’

    – UN members warned Donald Trump will take issue personally if countries back draft resolution rejecting US decision

    ‘In a letter seen by the Guardian, [US Ambassador to the UN, Nikki] Haley told countries – including European delegations – that she will report back to the US president with the names of those who support a draft resolution rejecting the US
    move at the UN general assembly on Thursday, adding that Trump took the
    issue personally.
    Haley writes: “As you consider your vote, I encourage you to know the president and the US take this vote personally. The president will be watching this vote carefully and has requested I report back on those who voted against us,” she continued.

    Haley followed the letter by tweeting: https://twitter.com/nikkihaley/status/943241599953309696 “At the UN we’re always asked to do more & give more. So, when we make a decision, at the will of the American ppl, abt where to locate OUR embassy, we don’t expect those we’ve helped to target us. On Thurs there’ll be a vote criticizing our choice. The US will be taking names.”’

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/20/us-take-names-united-nations-vote-to-reject-jerusalem-recognition

    • -M-

      Haley’s America is petty and thuggish.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    Even though the latest tax plan has made it way harder for blue states to do for themselves, I still think the blue states should still try, mostly because Obamacare is being crushed by the same said tax plan:

    http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article189665404.html

    “As Republicans in Congress continue their efforts to undo Obamacare, California is going in the opposite direction.

    State lawmakers are exploring how – and when – to expand coverage to all Californians, while also reining in soaring health care costs that make the U.S. the most expensive country in the world for medical care.

    The best option for California is to create the nation’s first universal, taxpayer-financed health care system that gets rid of the need for private insurance companies, some Democrats said this week after hearing from a blue state governor who tried to create such a system, known as single-payer health care. “

  • Max_1
    • charemor

      What is this with him using both hands to hold a bottle or a glass?

      • RoFaWh

        It’s a symptom of his decline in mental faculties, in this case fine motor control.

  • FAEN

    Speaks volumes that only 7% of Republicans want him impeached. VOLUMES!!

  • SFBruce

    According to a July 1973 Newsweek poll, only 24% wanted Nixon impeached, compared to 41% who want Donnie gone today. Unfortunately, in those days, facts and logic still mattered and there were Republicans willing to look past tribalism.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    41%??

    The question is both obvious and in need of being begged: “what the fuck will it take?”

    41%??? ONLY?!!?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cffe89e175c390336931d9fe3cd89815532a511cc0cc2076f851366d9cae6e14.gif

  • justmeeeee

    Slowly, slowly, catchee monkey.

    We really need to wait till we have a Dem speaker of the house and then take Religious Mikey down too.

  • Steven H

    I think it’s pretty obvious why nearly 30% of Democrats don’t feel the need to impeach Trump: they don’t think impeachment actually does anything. They’re right. It takes 268 Congresscritters (easy) to start an impeachment proceeding, and 60 Senators (really f’ing hard) to win one.

    Even if Democrats retake both the House and Senate next year, they’ll have the votes to initiate an impeachment proceeding, but not enough votes to actually eject the president. Which means that we will be taking the ball from a serious criminal investigation (Mueller) and throwing it into the clown car that is Congress on a good day.

    Impeachment is a political process, not a rigorous criminal one: there will be a lot of shade throwing, a lot of pettiness, a lot of Twitter wars, a lot of partisan hackery, no meaningful investigation, and no actual result. Meanwhile, the long list of things that Democratic voters need their Congress to do won’t get done because Congress will be consumed by a toxic shit show… that will never end, because we will not have 60 Senators until after 2020!

    If Mueller finds hard evidence of a crime that people care about, then I’m sure those impeachment poll numbers will change fast. Until then, let’s focus on the votes that need to happen to roll back Trump’s legislative agenda.

  • JWC

    Impeach then you are stuck with Pence Charge them all

    • alguien

      strategy should probably be, flip congress, then impeach

  • James

    Only.