Doug Jones: Trump Should Not Resign [VIDEO]

Talking Points Memo reports:

Senator-elect Doug Jones (D-AL) on Sunday said “we need to move on and not get distracted by” numerous women’s allegations of sexual misconduct against President Donald Trump.

Asked on CNN’s “State of the Union” whether Trump should resign because of the allegations, as some senators have called on him to do, Jones said, “I think we need to move on and not get distracted by those issues. Let’s get on with the real issues that are facing people of this country right now.”

“Where I am on that right now is that those allegations were made before the election, and so people had an opportunity to judge before that election,” Jones said. “I don’t think that the President ought to resign at this point. We’ll see how things go.”

  • Elliott

    Yeah, I’d rather see him perp-walked out too.

    • Cucker “Dick” Tarlson

      Yep, Trump needs to be brought down by the law, along with Pence, Sessions, Ryan, and McConnell. Clean sweep and deep clean the White House and Congress. Trump’s resignation only complicates the process.

      • Elliott

        In normal times, allegations of sexual harassment would be enough for me to consider (or reconsider) thinking about entertaining ideas of Trump’s resignation.

        These aren’t normal times.

        If he were to be brought down by allegations or substantive claims of sexual harassment, it would be a fizzle-fart compared to what is really there—his money-laundering, his collusion with an enemy state, and his continued obstruction of justice. There is evidence that this may be the biggest story of our lifetimes. The only question, and the one by which we are judged by our progeny, will be how vigorously and unwaveringly we pursue the truth, lead where it may and damned be consequences so long as the rule of law and the sovereignty of the people is maintained.

        I, for one, will pop the corn and Irish up my coffee. It’s going to be a long and despicable ride.

      • teeveedub

        Thank you. I want to see the whole administration go down. It’s a gamble, though, because a) we don’t know how much additional damage he and his cronies will do in the meantime, and b) we can’t even be sure that if Mueller recommends impeachment that the GOP-led Congress will do anything about it. Even so, the nation needs to know the truth about this international criminal enterprise known as the Trump Administration, and Mueller’s investigation is our best shot at learning what that truth is.

  • bkmn

    Wrong answer.

    • Rocco

      I agree, as careful as he needs to be, he still needs to remember who put him there.

  • Tomcat

    Must be very difficult to be a blue politician in a red politicians world.

  • bkmn
  • BlackGayAthetist

    Doug Jones was elected to represent Alabama. In that sense, he’s doing the job he was voted to do.

    Doug has LOTS of work to do in a LARGELY red state and these people LOVE Trump and there is NO point in alienating them and angering them. Doug has to work with many of them as he wants to make life better for the people of Alabama.

    That said, he has a point. Trump was elected (thru the archaic and divisive Electoral College) in spite of the allegations against him.

    We can certainly disagree with the choice voters made last year, but the choice was made after these women came forward.

  • JT

    Can we see a Dem who is not gutless please?

    • Tomcat

      Sorry, but he is resigning in a few weeks.

  • Larry in Oklahoma

    Maybe he meant that Trump is not as bad as what we would have with Pence. I assume Pence would take over.

  • DaddyRay

    It is too early to tell people about the coup … oops did I say that out loud

  • Lakeview Bob

    As suspected all along he is a DINO.

    • Tomcat

      What were you expecting from a deep red state?

    • j.martindale

      He is going to do what is best without alienating all of Alabama. He prosecuted the KKK and has a gay son. The alternative was Roy Moore. I am happy.

      • Chucktech

        I’m shocked and thrilled.

    • Stubenville

      And one less Senator to vote in lockstep with the GOP. Focus on the positive.

    • robindaybird

      to be fair, he probably is against resignation because he wanna see the man get frogmarched out. Problem is, he’s a democrat from a state that loves the Cheeto so he has to say the things so they don’t go after his head, but given his own personal record he will vote D.

  • DreadPikathulhu

    He was elected by his deplorable base because of the sexual assault allegations. The focus should rightly be on the collusion during the campaign and the corruption afterwards.

    • Chucktech

      AND the obstruction of justice. There’s more than enough to bring him down without the “Trump is a pig” angle.

      • David L. Caster

        Trump was elected precisely because he is a (two legged) pig.

  • Nathaniel

    What he said is smart. Crazy far left needs to understand that we should nominate centrist candidates in red states. What rally matters is that he’s gonna vote for Democratic Majority Leader and, for example, block irresponsible people from federal courts.
    If that’s all we got from red states senators I still will be grateful.

    • Tomcat

      Your a newby but I still agree with your theory here.

    • MonochromeMouse

      Exactly, that’s what the bernie bros don’t seem to understand, you compromise in the places where it’s either a sortof-liberal or an ultra-conservative and run the true liberals in places where they stand a good chance at winning, that way at worst we get the status quo and less obstruction to progress rather than having all progress currently made rolled back.

    • Do Something Nice

      While I don’t 100% disagree with your theory of what matters, it was far-left Millennials and black voters who got Jones elected, not the centrists who voted for Moore or didn’t vote.

      It would have been better for Jones to punt on this issue rather than to piss-off part of his voting base.

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/16/alabama-senate-election-doug-jones-roy-moore-donald-trump

      • gaycuckhubby

        How do you punt on a direct question on live TV without looking like an idiot?

        • Do Something Nice

          He could have said “I was elected to represent the best interests of the people of Alabama. Regarding Trump and resignation or impeachment for whatever reasons, I need to have access to and review the evidence before I decide what action, if any, is needed.”

          And seriously, he should have anticipated questions like this. But he is green so he is entitled to a stumble or two.

        • That_Looks_Delicious

          Sarah H.S. does it all the time.

          Oh wait… you said without looking like an idiot. Never mind.

  • Treant

    Dem, Alabama, new to the Senate. Unsurprising…but I’ll also neither forgive nor forget.

    OT: Christmas in Connecticut is on TCM at noon, as I learned from the overnight crew. 🙂

    • AmeriCanadian

      Aren’t you part of the overnight crew? 😉

      • Tread

        Lol. What’s sleep in these days and nights of Trumplandia?

      • Treant

        Generally. My sleep schedule isn’t broken, it’s shattered.

        • Jay George

          I feel your pain. I’ve been taking valerian. It stinks something awful, but it helps me get about four hours anyway.

  • Chucktech

    “Where I am on that right now is that those allegations were made before the election, and so people had an opportunity to judge before that election,” Jones said.

    He’s right. We all knew what a pig Donald Trump was before the election and stoopids and deplorables could give two shits.

    • GayOldLady

      There was not a shit given. Not even one

      • Tomcat

        I thought we actually got TWO shits. Donald and Pence.

        • Chucktech

          Those are shits taken, not given.

      • greenmanTN

        That woman wearing the “Trump can grab my” T-shirt with the arrow pointing down at her crotch still sticks in my mind. How can you have so little awareness or respect for yourself?

        • MonochromeMouse

          When you’re rich they let you do it.

        • Card

          Maybe it was actually a desperate plea for some, any, kind of action–I know I’ve come close to something similar during a boudoir drought.

          • Tom Furgas

            I’ve gone as long as ten years without any action rather than debase myself by getting involved with any dickhead that was available. I’m glad I did that, too. It’s never worth debasing ones self just for a little action. There’s always Mr. Thumb and his four sons.

        • netxtown

          the last guy who touched it ended up in a coma – on life support – from some alien bacteria. It was the first ATD (alien transmitted disease) known to mankind.

        • Raising_Rlyeh

          What stands out more for me are the interviews with trump supporters who defended what he said, but wouldn’t say the full quote in front of their daughters/wife. I don’t think they ever got asked I’d they’d be ok with trump “moving on then like a bitch.”

    • I’m of two minds. Because yes you are correct, this information was know and the electoral college went the way that it did. But, 3 million more people vote for Hillary. So the question is did the people truly elect him knowing this info.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Yes. They knew

      • Chucktech

        Nevertheless, in our fucked up, anachronistic system, the fact remains that America voted for Donald Trump. That is the face of America to the world.

        • Yep. That’s why I can’t wait for the election cycle where Republicans get truly fucked by the electoral college. I mean it technically happened in 2008 and to a lesser extent 2012, but I mean a true robbing. The Republicans would probably then actually work to get ride of it, and if not I will still get the satisfaction of seeing the Republicans fucked over.

          • Chucktech

            I’m not sure what you mean by 2008 and 2012, but the only true fucking by the our electoral system is of Democrats in 2000 and 2016.

          • I mean that in 2008 Obama won 68% of electoral votes, but only won 53% of the popular vote. The electoral system is currently stack against Democrats, but I wouldn’t say that it is inherently so. It can easily shift due to our geographic based socio-economic divides.

          • Paul

            Wait a couple of cycles and the entire Sunbelt will be up for grabs for Democrats.

            I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: The election of Donald Trump is probably the best thing to happen to Democrats in the long-run. I mean, look at Doug Jones as an example. The Senate is now up for grabs, in addition to the House.

            In 2020, the Senate will be an even BIGGER nightmare for the Republicans, given it will be the Class of 2014 that will be up for re-election. Cory Gardner and Thom Tillis will be the two most endangered incumbents. If the Dems win the Senate next year, 2020 will merely be about expanding their majorities.

            By 2024, Georgia and Arizona should be ripe for the Democrats’ taking.

            The Democrats are going to LOVE the electoral college in the 2020s, and possibly even the 2030s if the GOP doesn’t wise up.

          • JCF

            “I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: The election of Donald Trump
            is probably the best thing to happen to Democrats in the long-run.”

            IF we live that long. And if the Rethugs (w/ their Rethug SCOTUS) haven’t *completely* surpressed Dem votes by then.

          • Kissmagrits

            ….plus state house gerrymandering, guns, god and irrational politics based solely on resentment.

      • MonochromeMouse

        The people did not elect him, the people don’t really have much say in american presidential elections.

        • Chucktech

          They do, the problem is their votes are given different weights. When Ma and Pa Kettle’s vote is given the same weight as 300 California votes, this is what we get. It was still “the people” who voted for him.

          • Psht. You say that as if Californians were actually people. /s

      • TominDC

        It was in all the major newspapers and tv news.

        Those who didn’t know, didn’t want to know.

    • Jay George
  • Ninja0980

    He’s a Democrat in one of the reddest states in the nation and will be number 1 on the most endangered incumbent list in 2020.
    You aren’t going to like the way he answers a lot of questions but it’s either him or a Republican.
    The sooner people understand that and get over it, the better off they’ll be.

    • Tomcat

      Agreed, both teams have become way to radicalized. Common ground need to be found where possible.

      • Turtle73

        Common ground? What common ground?

        • Do Something Nice

          Limiting sexual assaults to females 18 and over. No more kiddie touching. Or something. /s

          • cleos_mom

            See Jay George’s post below.

        • cleos_mom

          Free gruel on the fifth Sunday of every month?

      • Taylor Bixler

        seriously? both siderism?
        Norm Ornstein is on line 2 about asymmetric polarization. He has actually studied the phenomenon.

    • Reality.Bites

      Either him or a child molester. There’s no way he’d have won against Strange.

      And if he wins re-election it will be because of a massive nationwide Democratic Party sweep, not because of him.

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    • Jim Maloney

      It comes to this: controlling the Senate and, therefore, much of the policy and judicial agenda.

      Candidates should run ads like this Sheldon Whitehouse (D) ad from 2006 when he was running against Lincoln Chaffee which explained it clearly and simply and he won in that wave year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nvSrg_shhc

    • KnownDonorDad

      Say it again for the purists in the back.

    • JeauxFan

      My fantasy – OK, I’m a fool about love, too – is that he’ll be a true progressive, HELPING the poor, minorities, and damn-near-disenfranchised people who fuckin’ PUT him in the senate and not worry about re-election. He’s probably going to lose re-election, so he should focus on doing some GOOD!

    • Raising_Rlyeh

      The fact that he says he is going to test and be bipartisan more annoys me than anything else. I know he had to say it, but this last election shows that bipartisanship doesn’t work. The GOP are not even attempting to pretend and democrats need to learn to stop playong nice.

      • Charles Nelson

        Typical Democrat…give a mile while the opposing Republican doesn’t budge an inch.

        • David L. Caster

          Give a mile and the Republican will take a parsec.

      • Paul

        Jones is looking forward to 2020. He doesn’t want to be another Scott Brown.

  • gaycuckhubby

    Lol. Turning on him already. Lol

    I support gillibrand what she’s doing, I also think that there can be a difference of opinion on this. In fact I think gillibrand herself would agree. The fact is this calls for him to resign are purely political. He will never resign over this.

    • Treant

      Of course. But you must admit, if you toe the strictest feminist line, it’s an unacceptable statement. I’d repeat what was said to me in college but, frankly, it was offensive.

      • gaycuckhubby

        Well, I don’t toe the strictest feminist line 🙂 I also don’t to the strictest queer rights line, or liberal line, or conservative line, or well you get the point.

        • Treant

          Then you won’t be too surprised when I tell you that they’ll be out for his head.

          It’s so cute when they do that.

          • gaycuckhubby

            Oh its going to be a shitshow.
            My guess is by next week will actually have people saying that Jones should not be seated because he’s enabling a sexual predator.

          • Treant

            OK, now I will tell you what I was told in college. “If you don’t jail him when she accuses him of harassment, you’re holding her down and raping her.” And the women’s heads all nodded in robotic unison.

            Really? Really. That wasn’t the beginning of the erosion of support I had for feminists, but it was the moment when I deducted 50 points for stupidity. It was also the last word I ever passed with that girl…Whitney, I think her name was.

          • Ninja0980

            Crap like that only hurts the movement.
            Boggles my mind how so many don’t see that.

          • The_Wretched

            Nice, speculating views that we havent seen yet.

    • JCF

      “I also think that there can be a difference of opinion on this.”

      This. Let a hundred flowers of Drumpf-resistance bloom!

  • safari

    Let’s wait until he has a few votes under his belt before we eat him alive.

    • Tomcat

      I am sure he will back Dems on important votes.

    • The_Wretched

      The so called MODERATEs here are already making pretzel excuses for Jones.

  • Lazycrockett
    • safari

      No information, really.

  • Leo

    There’s a hairline fracture of a chance he gets re-elected at all. He didn’t say he was innocent. I’ve seen this everywhere this morning. Can everyone breathe?

    • safari

      Yes, but you just gave me an idea on how I can force myself to wake up.

    • Treant

      Somebody could release a virus that only takes out the stupid and dentally challenged. That would assure Jones’ re-election.

      Hey, it could happen.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    While it’s uncomfortable to hear Jones say this and yes, it may appear a bit tone deaf, the hard truth is he ain’t wrong. Trump was a known quantity going in and a good chunk of America said “fuck it” and voted for him anyway. That’s on them. What Jones needs to do, IMO, is focus on centrist and left of center issues and vote accordingly when the time comes. He has to deal with Alabamans and that alone should be self-explanatory.

    • Chucktech

      “At LEAST……
      he’s NOT….
      HILLARY!!!!!

      • Jean-Marc in Canada

        So true…so glad that bullet was dodged. Can you imagine? A more liberal SCOTUS? Fairer tax reform? Obamacare tweaked to be even better? Minorities being seen as a benefit and not an infestation?

        Yeah, I’m really happy you guys dodged that horror. /s

        Too much? 🙂

        • Chucktech

          Oh, hell, like I’ve said before, if she had won, the House would readying their articles of impeachment for Benghazi or e-mail-gate or Uranium One, with the Senate preparing for her summary execution.

    • BobSF_94117

      No, he’s wrong. “Known quantity” or not, previous criminal behavior is grounds for impeachment and certainly good reason to resign at least.

      We’re not there yet, in terms of proof and we may never be, but Jones gave a very bad answer.

      • gaycuckhubby

        if you are admitting that we’re not there yet what answer should he have given?

        • BobSF_94117

          There are a hundred different things he could have said. If nothing else, he could have completely deflected the question. Pols are, or should be, expert at it.

          “Move on” is the GOP meme of the day. He’s a fool to support it, because it’s about a lot more than sexual accusations from years ago.

  • Rebecca Gardner

    OT but I really hate this organization. Fuck the NRA.

    https://twitter.com/BikerBecca/status/942439833963655168

    • Treant

      What religious holiday? It was stolen from the Romans, English, and everybody else who celebrated Yule and the Solstice. The story itself was stolen from Mithra and half a dozen other gods.

      • If you’ve read Joseph W. Campbell’s “Hero With a Thousand Faces,” there’s no question as to the template for the life of Jesus — it’s the life of the Hero, with a little bit of the Sacrificed God mixed in.

      • Paula

        We are making preparations for our annual sacrificing of an x-mas tree in the back yard.

  • Jay George
    • safari

      Unless the woman was evangelical. Then she voted for Moore most likely.

    • Treant

      Statistically, white chicks voted for Moore. For accuracy, that should be a Lady of Color or clearly LBGT spectrum female.

      • gaycuckhubby

        By something like 65%

      • Jay George

        And if I could thank every black woman personally, I would. 😀

      • cleos_mom

        Statistically, white chicks voted for Moore.

        What about the biddy hens?

        • Treant

          Moore. If your feathers were white or gray, you voted for Moore.

        • Gretchen

          Biddy hen. I like it. It’s a step up from what my younger siblings call me.

    • blackstar

      I heard they were largely Black woman who voted Jones in .

      • Jay George

        From the artist:
        “Clay Bennett The African American electorate was instrumental in the defeat of Roy Moore. Of that, there is no doubt.

        My intent with this metaphor, however, was to compare Moore’s efforts to woo the state of Alabama, to his past pursuits/abuses of teenage girls. Even though this character might not reflect the voters who defeated Moore, she does better resemble the girls he victimized.”

        • Chucktech

          Besides, Moore certainly wasn’t hittin’ on any colored gals…

        • JCF

          Methinks he protests too much. Should have painted a black woman as the nut-kicker.

  • JT
    • Tom Furgas

      Didn’t know that Kissin played Beethoven, and how beautifully. This post really helps clear the air in this poisonous climate of nefarious political and sociological bulllshit. Thank you very much, JT.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Meanwhile, this graphic seems to be making the rounds and some on the right are not at all happy about it. So naturally, I had to share…..

    https://twitter.com/sirlthr69/status/942441113310449664

  • Leo
    • Treant

      Now if we can just get those 18-34 people out to vote in reasonable proportions compared with their elders who tend to vote Republican…

    • gaycuckhubby

      Now we just need to pick the right candidates in the right areas. No time for purity

      • The_Wretched

        Yes, the ‘non pure Jones likes Trump n ogfice.

    • Reality.Bites

      See, Republicans – all those babies you didn’t let us abort are not grateful for your efforts.

    • JCF
  • Silver Badger

    No, trump should not resign. Let the people speak as they did in France during the French revolution.

  • another_steve

    Trump in the White House is a good thing for the Democratic Party (assuming the monster doesn’t get us into a nuclear war, of course). He’ll give the Dems back control of Congress and hopefully some of the state governorships.

    I want him to stay just where he is.

    • Do Something Nice

      Well, as long as you personally aren’t being hurt by Trump and his administration, who gives a shit about anyone else. Right?

      • Nathaniel

        When was the last time when idealism paid off? Nelson Mandela?

        • Do Something Nice

          Yeah, it is ‘idealistic’ to want to support people of color, immigrants, women, science, ethics. . .

          • Nathaniel

            You think removing 45 is supporting those people? He would be replaced by Pence, who is better positioned to win in 2020.
            In effect things you care about will be dead for another 4 years.

          • Do Something Nice

            Pence will be as tainted as Gerald Ford was after Nixon. Actually, socially, he is as clumsy as Gerald Ford and doesn’t have a chance at winning an election, unless Democrats screw things up as they’ve done before. Stop operating from a position of fear and stop blaming ‘the left’ for what’s happening now.

          • Nathaniel

            In my opinion you always need to running scared. Hillary didn’t and look what happened. And yes, big portion of blame is on the left side.
            I hope Ted Cruz will be nominate, he’s unelectable.

          • Do Something Nice

            You are part of the problem if you buy into that the problem is the ‘left.’ So many people I know supported Clinton in 2008 because Obama was too far left to win. And yet he won. He ran a very leftist campaign and then mostly led from the middle.

          • Nathaniel

            Not the left, far left. If someone don’t see difference between Hillary (or any other Democrat) and Trump and choose green or another spoiler (because “oh Hillary is not honest and to close to rich people”, “oh oh”, “but but”) I call him/her crazy, unpatriotic, selfish and irresponsible.

            They are like turkey who wants thanksgiving to come earlier.

          • Do Something Nice

            You mean like those moderate Clinton supporters who voted for McCain in 2008? They were solid moderates who couldn’t vote for the ‘radical’ Obama.

            It is time for you to let go. The left, and mostly, the ‘far left’ have given you your LGBT rights and, in the case of HIV, an almost normal life and life expectancy. That is once the ‘go slow’ moderates were pushed aside.

            And the idea that those on the far left who didn’t vote for Clinton caused Trump to win the election is false. 100,000 people in Detroit who voted for Obama didn’t bother to vote in 2016 mostly because the Clinton campaign made MAJOR mistakes. Ditto in Wisconsin and Ohio. Comey and sexism were also to blame.

            I’m proudly far left and I voted for Clinton and I’m really tired of the far left bashing on this blog. You all need to grow up and realize that by continuing to alienate us, you are ensuring more losses in the future.

    • gaycuckhubby

      and an absolute tragedy for our nation’s institutions, for minority rights for the next several decades. The damage he’s doing to us, the gaslighting is not worth a democratic senate.
      Mitt Romney or John McCain or even Jeb Bush would have passed laws that I would I think are horrible. But they wouldn’t have endangered America like Trump is

      • Ninja0980

        They would have put right wing hacks on the courts, who certainly will put us in danger.

        • gaycuckhubby

          Sure, and that is why I would have voted against them. I still wouldn’t be AS worried about the country’s future.

      • another_steve

        Pence as President would be much much worse for the nation. Pence would work with the Republicans in Congress and get their hateful agenda done.

        If there has to be a Republican in the White House, let it be Trump.

        • gaycuckhubby

          I disagree 🙂 I think I would pass laws I object too and I think the next Democratic president could overturn those. I don’t think a new Progressive president can undo the damage Trump has done to our intelligence Community or our international relations or our face in democracy and government. But I do understand what you’re saying and I understand that I’m probably in the minority.

          • David L. Caster

            Obama certainly cleaned up a lot of the Bush damage.

            What is really needed is a strong Democratically controlled Congress and a Democrat in the WH. Then that Congress needs to start making good law to prevent the suppression of votes and gutting of sound public policy while making good public policy of their own.

            The first Obama congress had the opportunity but the then green Obama failed to fly cover for it and himself. That mistake must not be repeated. But first Democrats have to get back into the driver’s seat. That’s up to Democrats and progressives to engineer.

    • The_Wretched

      He’s. Not. Worth. It.

  • geoffalnutt

    He should not be deemed “crazy”!! He should not be a coward and resign. He should face the full fiery wrath of United States law!!! He should rot in jail.

  • safari

    I can’t but help laugh… though we are getting closer to Iidiocracy’s take on Carls’s Jr.
    https://twitter.com/dabbingtons/status/942049972962447360

    • Lazycrockett

      Moonpie is sassy.

    • SoCalGal20

      I love that Moonpie twitter!

  • TimCA

    O/T: More Trump-Putin direct convos over the last few days coming to light, purportedly about terrorist activities. Gawd only knows what orange dotard may have revealed to Russia this time.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/kremlin-says-putin-thanked-trump-for-cia-tip-on-bombings/2017/12/17/efd54494-e349-11e7-927a-e72eac1e73b6_story.html?utm_term=.aeea047e96ea

  • Lazycrockett
    • safari

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    • safari

      So, why the buzz about this movie? I’ve never seen it.

      • fuow

        Because it’s really funny. She’s a total scam artist who gets a comeuppance beyond words. Really well acted and directed and perfect for the bah, humbug crowd.

  • boobert

    The women are only one of many problems he has. I’m more concerned about all the russian connections and not disclosing his finance dealings.

  • alguien

    he certainly left the door open for that option, though, didn’t he?

  • William

    Trump should not resign, he should be dragged out in handcuffs and leg irons.

    • SoCalGal20

      Exactly!

    • JCF

      Frankly, I’d take either (w/ the proviso that resigning doesn’t in anyway stop the investigation into his CRIMINAL activities).

    • Xiao Ai: The Social Gadfly

      I’d personally rather see him brought out on a stretcher with a sheet over him, but your scenario is almost as appealing.

      • William

        Leaving the building feet first would give him legend status. The family name should be tarnished forever.

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    OT but not too OT: The comments to this article about whether evangelicals feel their brand is stained is actually pretty heavily a mix of “Yeah, your brand is shit and we’ve known it since forever” and Christians going “Oh, shit, those people are so not us. Unclean! Unclean!”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/14/us/alabama-evangelical-christians-moore.html

  • billbear1961
  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    I prefer that Dump not be let to slither off because it’s not just him that’s the problem. It’s like cancer, you can’t just go after the main tumor but go after anything that metastasized. I actually believe that all the evidence needs to come out because:

    1) We need to prevent this shit from happening again, first and foremost. Any and all factors need to be found and preventative measures put in.
    2) It’s not just Trump. As I’ve said before, if (and it probably does) it involves oligarchs, they need to be dragged off their yachts and face some bars.
    3) The GOP party needs to be klieg lighted. Especially Pence.
    4) Facebook & various social media really should do more in regards to this.
    5) Also, I’m hoping that more people get a damn clue how hollow and full of shit fundajelical Christians are. Or at least I want fundajelical Christians to get more of that “persecution” they seem to crave so damn much. I think they should be told “You care more about Starbucks cups than you do about children being preyed on. Get away from me.”

  • Gerry Fisher

    He’s going to have to lean right once in a while to keep his seat. I get it. The alternative is often “bat shit crazy, fascist.”

    • JeauxFan

      I disagree. No matter WHAT he does, he’s going to lose to anyone other than another crazy person like Moore. He should do some good! Our base is not going to turn out again if he gives them the shaft in order to keep a job that he’s not going to keep anyway! Take one for the team!

    • The_Wretched

      Bullshit. The people vote for people they like. Being likeable doesn’t mean working for the republicans.

      • leastyebejudged

        You mean the small percentage he wont the election by ?

        Are you claiming he has some sort of mandate ?

        Do you ever pay attention to politics beyond just “yay, my team !” ?

        • David L. Caster

          1.5% to be precise. He lost far more counties than he won. Moore was damaged goods and he still managed to carry most of the state.

          People don’t seem to fully understand that. It was a good psychological victory and a proof of concept but not a cure.

        • The_Wretched

          Huh?

  • Xaca

    Shut the fuck up, you CrimsonTide Cracker. You have ZERO business weighing in on Trump’s numerous sexual assault allegations. This is a totally unforced error.

    Just keep your head down and vote with the opposition. And rent, don’t buy. You won’t be there long.

  • David Walker

    The location/time stamp indicates Key West. I hope this means he’s spending quality time with his son and the rest of his family.

  • patrick

    Bad news all around, DJ. Just after your election – which you totally owe to voters within minority-communities – now you’re telling them that you’re not prioritizing their wishes and needs. Way to keep that newly-energized Democratic-electorate motivated to remain active for those 2018-midterms, stooge. Signal to them that you’re only pandering to the “left” before an election, but that you will reliably pivot, after settling into Congress, to focus on the representation of the very-people who did NOT vote Democratic (who did not vote for you). That’d be the interests of white-Americans, as well as Corporate America. 🙁

  • He’s kinda got a point. Nixon resigned, and that wasn’t as much fun as impeaching and throwing him in jail would have been.

  • JWC

    America Likes its sports and want a loser and a victor. With Nixon, theydid not get that, he turned Chicvken shit. Trump is to stupid to see whats coming and won’t know when to duck

  • Kevin Andrews

    Just like Manchin; there is a Blue-Dog in the Senate now. There cannot be any doubt in anyone’s mind that the Republicans and Democrats are both Fascist Traitors who’ve mounted a Treasonous Attack on The United States in their pandering to Israel’s AIPAC and their Corporate Masters.
    We have no representation in Government. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b53918b8d19440eaffa2aece610810344ceab9922f5402e10fe98f27d1c15e3b.png

    • andrew

      Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans in Congress are “Fascist Traitors.” Most of them are patriotic Americans, with many of the personal flaws that we all have, who have different ideas on legislation and the policies that the U.S. should pursue . Some of your posts are irrational exaggerations.

  • rednekokie

    I agree with him. I don’t think tRump should resign. I think the bastard should be impeached, and then thrown in jail for sedition.

    • Gianni

      And have that ass-sucking Republicant congressional support voted out of office next year and leaving him hanging out to dry.

    • LesbianTippingHabits

      Don’t forget treason.

  • Taylor Bixler
  • Robin Wayne Bailey

    So, Doug Jones, who only won his senate seat because of sexual allegations against his opponent, now thinks sexual allegations are a “distraction” and we should “move forward.” Why am I thinking of that other Alabama senator, the one who was elected as a democrat and almost immediately switched parties — oh yeah, Richard Shelby.

  • BeaverTales

    Being the perrenial masochist, I occasionally chat with Trump supporters on Disqus and elsewhere. I do it not so much to change minds (a sisyphean task), but to understand their logic and where their opinions come from. The Moore v. Jones election is being analyzed as much as the Trump v. Clinton one for political demographic trends about race, religion, age and education.

    Hint: ther arguments are based on alternative facts and logic influenced by poor educational attainment.

    For being the representatives of the master race and God’s besties, Breitbarters seem to have poor comprehension of basic statistics terminology and math in general. I find them difficult to argue with because they don’t read carefully and have a high threshold for reexamining their errors and sources. Some JMGers are similarly math challenged and stubborn, but not nearly as bad as Breitbarters.

    Rant off.

    • leastyebejudged

      How do you know you are even interacting with US citizens ?

    • Gianni

      “understand their logic…” Can one really call it ‘logic’? I know there’s the process of reasoning and thinking, but if any ‘logic’ is involved in seeing Trump as presidential material, it totally escapes me

      • David L. Caster

        They do not reason, they feel. That is the problem.

    • David L. Caster

      Never argue with a fool. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. —Mark Twain.

      I understand your point perfectly. Mine is that you cannot reprogram fools. Now, it might be possible to use the foolishness of fools against them but the payoff may not be there viz. shifting political perspectives and the debate.

  • Professor Barnhardt
    • agcons

      Yeah, all those unwhite people voted. /s

      • LesbianTippingHabits

        Does that mean Alabama’s photo ID and voter suppression laws aren’t working?

        Whose fault is that? Which party governs Alabama?

        H e l – l o !

    • The_Wretched

      How about a verifiable paper ballot so you could prove it?

  • The_Wretched

    MODERATE DEM.

    And I get all this shit for wanting liberal candidates.

    • MaryJOGrady

      I don’t want a President Pence. If Mueller can get on with doing his job, and if the Democrats can take the House of Representatives, we will not face that. (Pence is in all of this up to his eyeballs. He just doesn’t get the media attention.)

      • Gianni

        When I get up every day, I hope to read about a shower of indictments flying from Mueller’s office.

      • LesbianTippingHabits

        If you don’t want President Pence, support Donald Trump!

        • MaryJOGrady

          Sorry, but that is absurd.

          • LesbianTippingHabits

            Be careful what you ask for (Trump leaves the Office of President).

            You might get it (President Pence). Your choice.

          • MaryJOGrady

            I think if Trump is impeached that will require a Democratic House (and House Speaker). There is enough dirt on Pence that either he will go down too or pull an Agnew and resign.

    • andrew

      We Democrats need all the moderate centrists Democrats like Joe Manchin, Joe Donnelly, Heidi Heitkampf, Clare McCaskill, etc and probably Doug Jones from as many red and pink states that we can elect. They may not always march in lock step with the ideological left but they enable the Democrats to become the majority party and help advance many of the things on the progressive agenda.

      • The_Wretched

        That’s the rather generic argument. It’s over used. The party has to stand for something.

  • Ish

    Sad trombone. Democratic Party, telling you to your face it’s about to shit on you and yet you still give it your support.

    • tomfromthenews

      Is there a sane alernative? Thought not.

      • Ish

        Yeah you break the addiction and stop voting for them

  • Mike

    Whatever it takes to placate the yahoos back home. Go for it.

  • Larry L

    ALL crooks, especially those pointing fingers at others, still need to be prosecuted.

  • JCF

    Obviously, Democrats should all turn on Jones! Demand someone PURER!!!

    /s

  • April

    Actually, 2,864,974 more voters didn’t want Pussy Grabber in office.

    Just saying…

    • Gianni

      It needs to be repeated every time someone remarks about how the ‘people’ elected Donnie to the presidency. It’s just not true!

  • Friday’s_cat

    Great another Democrat from the Pelosi Wing of the party.

  • Boy Elvis

    Troubling, but the rest test will be how he votes.

  • LesbianTippingHabits

    Once sufficient evidence of “high crimes and misdemeanors” has been documented, Donald Trump should be impeached, just as Bill Clinton was.

    Let the Senate decide. That’s in the Constitution.

    Meanwhile, let all the accusers come forward – and the media devote significant resources to investigating their claims. Media probably won’t publish all of them.

    Thank you.

  • narutomania

    Hey! Jones is right: none of us should be asking for Drumpf to resign.

    No way. I want him to feel the sting of being impeached and then DRAGGED from the White House like they did to Omarosa. I want him to be INDICTED while still serving as presidunce.

    THEN he can resign.

  • Charles Nelson

    And we also don’t want to be distracted by assertions that Trump colluded with Russia to interfere in our elections: Senator Doug Jones (Dixiecrat).

    • David L. Caster

      That wasn’t even implied.

  • The whole resignation thing is a complete fantasy. Liberals have got wake up and stop living in la-la land.

  • Boo Hoo

    Kind of an ignorant thing to say, Doug. The “real issues” comment, I mean. Sexual assault and harassment are real issues.

    Still better than pedo-Moore, though. In fact, Jones would have to burn down the entire country before I’d think Moore was a better choice. And even then, I’d ask for a reason.

  • EdA

    Benedict Trump should NOT resign just because he’s a moral degenerate. He should resign because of his massive corruption, his refusal to faithfully execute the laws, his efforts to subvert the government and trash the constitution, his stated intention to commit crimes against humanity, and his de facto treason — active support of governments openly hostile to the United States and undermining of our security arrangements with allies.

  • Andymac3

    Nothing to see here, he’s playing to his constituents, he wants them to keep listening to him, he’s not even been seated yet. His win was a huge victory over the right wing nut jobs and evangelical hypocrisy , it’s all good.