CALIFORNIA: State Sues Anti-LGBT Bakery

Courthouse News reports:

In an echo of the high-profile gay wedding cake case before the U.S. Supreme Court, California this week sued a Bakersfield bakery to stop it from discriminating against same-sex couples.

The Department of Fair Employment and Housing on Wednesday filed an ex parte application for a temporary restraining order against Cathy’s Creations dba Tastries and its owner, Cathy Miller, on behalf of Eileen and Mireya Rodriguez-Del Rio.

Kern County Superior Court Judge David Lampe rejected a motion for a restraining order Thursday, but set a Feb. 2 hearing for a motion for a preliminary injunction: a suitable Groundhog Day date for an issue that appears to resonate nationwide far more strongly than a simple cake could be expected to do.

More from Bakersfield.com:

Kern County Superior Court Judge David Lampe denied the state of California a temporary restraining order against a local bakery that refuses to make wedding cakes for same-sex couples. Lampe ruled Thursday that he didn’t have enough information to make the call.

But the case is scheduled to come back to Lampe on Feb. 2 at a hearing in which Tastries Bakery could be ordered to either make wedding cakes for members of the LGBTQ community — or stop making wedding cakes altogether.

According to court records, the California Department of Fair Employment and Housing petitioned the court to issue a restraining order against Tastries and owner Cathy Miller, prohibiting her from denying service to same-sex couples, as is her practice.

In my first report on Tastries Bakery back in August, Miller is quoted as saying, “Our business is God’s business, we work for him. I shouldn’t be picked on because of my beliefs.”

The US Supreme Court heard oral arguments in the Colorado case last week. (Tipped by JMG reader David)

  • Steve Smith

    “Our business is God’s business, we work for him. I shouldn’t be picked on because of my beliefs.” So now God makes cakes? If your beliefs are so ridiculous, then indeed you should be picked on.

    • Gustav2

      Is God listed on the business license?

      • Nowhereman

        That was my first thought as well.

    • Snarkaholic

      In that case, He, not you, should get 100% of your profits.

      • MT YVR

        Saaame exact thought.

    • Mrs. Councillor Nugent

      Do they take til the third day to rise?

      • penpal

        LOL!!!

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      • Puck

        I about peed on myself!

      • Schlukitz

        Funny how some people believe that that their beliefs should be the law of the land for everyone to follow, including the non-believers!

    • vorpal

      I don’t know about cakes, but he sure makes cucks.

    • Christian1234567

      She broke the law. There were consequences, which she knew full well when she chose to break the law. Now she’s whining that the consequences she chose (by choosing to break the law) mean that she is being picked on.
      These bigots keep screaming that they are victims if there are consequences for their victimization of others. JFC

      • vorpal

        I love to tell them to ovary up and goddamn accept responsibility for their shitty reprobate religious lifestyle choices.

        • The_Wretched

          Same with Kim Davis and similar. If they cannot or will not fulfill the requirements of the job, they can step down. That’s true for all of us for a number of reasons.

          • vorpal

            Exactly. My dietary lifestyle choices preclude my slightly chunky ass from being a firefighter. I don’t go around kicking and screaming about some inherent right I have to demand a job as one.

          • MT YVR

            Actually that scenario is a perfect analogy. I mean, other people would literally rely on your desire for something rather than ability, and your special snowflakedness would result in death. But hey, as long as you’d get to run around yelping about “anyone should be able to be like this, my religion says so”…

            I kind of like it. I may steal that. 😉

          • Nowhereman

            And you are not blaming everybody else for it.

          • Nowhereman

            I hope that the gay man running against her wins big time. First order of business, fire all of her relatives and supporters who work in that office.

    • BlackGayAthetist
      • JCF

        I’d caution that demographic statistics don’t prove the point. Think of the % of black South African under apartheid: being the majority didn’t mean they weren’t repressed.

        In this case, the relevant fact is that Christians (or here, Christianists) have the same First Amendment protections as everyone else…as do their LGBT customers.

    • BlackGayAthetist
    • JCF

      Then see if God will give you a business license. Because California ain’t dealin’!

      https://media.giphy.com/media/msKNSs8rmJ5m/giphy.gif

  • bkmn
    • JWC

      An intersesting fact they do NOT pay taxes on any of it For the most part Gay men do not have children yet we pay school taxes for others ‘yard rats’ Where is the equity in that If we are to be denied then a little denial back must be good

  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    Oh, well ” God’s business ” has been in default for some time now

  • DisqusD37

    I swear, all these pathetic bigots look like they’re from a birthin’ Cult.

  • MarkBuster

    I really missed my calling. I should have opened a bakery and discriminated.. what a great way to make money

    • perversatile

      There is a precedent: paying farmers not to farm.

      • The_Wretched

        Paying farmers to not farm was/is a needed thing due to the lack of intelligent AG policy and capture of too many low population States Senators by ADM / Monsanto and other agri-business.

        • perversatile

          So you’re suggesting that paying bakers not to bake would be difficult or are you advocating the need for a Christian Bakers version of EQIP, WHIP, CSP, and/or CRP before it could happen?

          • The_Wretched

            I’m with CD, pull their licenses and force them to close :).

          • perversatile

            Well… that would be placing them in ”God’s Hands”.

  • Boreal

    ‘“Our business is God’s business, we work for him.’
    Good, then he can buy your fucking shitty cakes, bitch.

  • Boreal

    I wonder what gawd thinks of her abysmally colored hair job?

  • bkmn
  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    “…I shouldn’t be picked on because of my beliefs, but by God I should have every right to pick on gay people for their continued existence” – yeah, that’s sounds about right.

    On a completely O/T matter; file this under “how tone deaf can you be?”

    https://twitter.com/sirlthr69/status/941784940806623232

    • Boreal

      That is seriously fucked up. Glad I’m at home, drinking.

      • Princess Lardass

        That reminds me. Time for a beer run.

  • shellback

    What’s up with that monstrosity black cake in the background?

    • Boreal

      For the godly thrice divorced.

    • another_steve

      Good gay eye, shellback.

      It’s called a “Black Monstrosity” and is intended for heterosexual fundamentalists who possess zero power of discernment.

    • BobSF_94117

      I think it’s for Dia de los Muertos.

      • another_steve

        But without the requisite skull shapes?

        • BobSF_94117

          That’s a skull on the top, if I’m not mistaken.

          • another_steve

            Took another look.

            You’re absolutely correct, Bob.

          • coram nobis

            Day of the Dead isn’t against her religion? And wasn’t that six weeks ago?

          • another_steve

            Jesus makes exceptions when and where potential profits are involved.

          • coram nobis

            A bakery in Bakersfield that makes it known they’re open to all weddings, in a town that size, could make a good profit.

  • Len Ricci

    Hmmm… if GOD made Eileen and Mireya, then I would assume that Cathy works for THEM too… go make the fricken cake and take the money and buy more prayer beads so you can will the demons out of those GOD created heathens…

  • another_steve

    She looks like the walking dead.

    I suspect Jesus has abandoned her.

  • The_Wretched

    If your god wants you to violate the law, maybe your god is the problem.

  • JWC

    They just gotta keep testing it don’t they

    • bkmn

      That is ADF and Libety Console’s plan, keep trying until they get a case to SCOTUS that they might be able to win.

      • The_Wretched

        And the Becket Fund for Religious Hegemony.

      • JWC

        Or go broke trying

        • bkmn

          Which won’t happen soon as long as the Mercer family keeps them going.

          • JWC

            the biggest problem in the US is that Big Money Speaks

          • RoFaWh

            The US needs to institute confiscatory taxes against wealth.

  • Boreal
  • Tomcat

    This is one case where if you win it you should NOT eat the merchandise.

  • Paula

    Wrong! gawd wouldn’t give a shit about cakes.
    It’s just her hatred being projected onto an inanimate object of flour, glue, and fruit and banana pectin filling.

  • AJ Drew

    So all civil rights come down to SCOTUS deciding if some jeebus-freaks bakers should or should not have to bake a cake at their businesses where they otherwise bake cakes all day.

  • BlackGayAthetist
    • JackFknTwist

      Come back to the Five and dime, John.

  • PR
    • The_Wretched

      Maybe the #1 excuse. Wars happen because they are convenient for someone with power to have happen.

    • Tomcat

      Money second.

    • Bad Tom

      Land is #1.
      Soon, it will be water.

  • Tomcat

    Just think of all those baked goods church goers purchase on Sunday from the sinful people that work on the lords day. Why does that not bother christians?

    • Tomcat

      Not to mention, no one cooks lunch on Sunday they go to restaurants that employee sinful people that work on gods day.

      • Snarkaholic

        And the ones who have the audacity to have heart attacks after those greasy restaurant meals…condemning E.R. doctors to spend eternity in hell!

    • Snarkaholic

      Can we go in there and flip her display tables over…Jesus-style?

  • BlackGayAthetist
    • The_Wretched

      I’ve wondered a long while why christians don’t all live in communes. He was pretty clear about discarding your possessions to follow him.

      • stuckinthewoods

        They don’t feel safe living around christians either.

      • RoFaWh

        In the very beginning, that’s pretty much what Christianity called for: everything held in common, etc.

  • Ben in Oakland

    She shouldn’t be picked on for her beliefs, but she is fine with picking on other people because of THEIR beliefs.

    • The_Wretched

      Such as the belief that if I show up to buy a cake from a baker, I should get one without having my sexuality or race or (etc) interrogated.

  • Adam Stevens

    When heterosexuals of ALL stripes stop defining themselves and others by how they have sex, we’ll all be better off.

    Not holding my breath, though.

  • William

    Nuke Bakersfield from orbit, it’s the only way to be sure.

    • Leo Tallant

      Once when I was stuck in Bakersfield for three days while waiting for a part for my broken car to come in I came up with the theory that Bakersfield was part of a triangle with Fresno and Barstow. Having broken down in Bakersfield and after having to wait so long to leave, I was convinced that cars drive INTO this triangle but they never drive out!

      • The_Wretched

        i think i saw that episode of the Twilight Zone

        • nocadrummer

          With William Shatner, right?

      • William

        My partner’s Bakersfield relatives escape to Texas for a while, then they return.

      • Todd Allis

        I broke down in Bakersfield heading from Orange County home to San Jose. I got a shoddy repair that had to be re-fixed by my mechanic. So I signed up for the highest level of AAA service that includes one 200-mile tow per year (and two 100-mile tows).

      • JCF
  • Treant

    Why are these “christian” studs and hoes always so fucking ugly?

  • BobSF_94117

    Civil rights violations usually result in fines. A restraining order from making wedding cakes seem silly.

    • Snarkaholic

      She’ll still bake them…and hand over the plastic bride and groom separately, requesting that they be attached once the buyer and cake leave the premises.

  • worstcultever
    • Tomcat

      I would have said SHEEPLE but yours is good.

  • JackNasty

    I can see wedding cakes going out of fashion.

    So many people baking them are disgusting.

    • Henry Auvil

      You can buy this one from my local Publix supermarket in Lakeland, FL. And they’re so Jeebusy they used to close on Sunday (until they realized how much $$ they were losing by not selling groceries to the heathens). https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/13370a06ddf7f15d535587f55f7ad36b879202822018e5ede43a4e125ec7285d.jpg

      • another_steve

        I don’t like it.

        Looks like three of my kitchen mixing bowls, turned upside down.

        • PickyPecker

          3rd candle to light tonite?

          • another_steve

            I don’t do the menorahs, babe. That much of a cultural Jew I’m not.

            I do like the food, though.

            Ooh, hamantashen

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b1c63f35a68731989e68b93f91a5e3994157cec841d4a2c1ee0e5a56cf26a30a.jpg

          • Mike_in_the_Tundra

            I like the food as well. I became a lover of halva when I was in college. I pretty much loved all the food that my roommates mother would send him, but candy is dandy.

          • stuckinthewoods

            I make hamantashen at any time of year. I’m a dangerous heretic.

          • another_steve

            (1) Are you single; and

            (2) Would you put up with an aging once-twink who’s bordering on urinary incontinence?

          • RoFaWh

            Bad idea in my books. Save seasonal recipes for their proper seasons. The wait until they roll around again sharpens the appetite and increases the enjoyment when the appetite is satisfied.

            Just like not eating out of season fruit.

          • stuckinthewoods

            Neh, maybe if one is Jewish but I’m not, so hamantashen aren’t seasonal to me. Fresh baked goodies are never out of season.

        • Henry Auvil

          I agree it’s tacky as fuck, but I doubt the lady at the Publix bakery counter would refuse to sell it to me and my sweet guy.

      • Michael White

        My husband and i bought our cake from a family owned Hungarian neighbood bakery. It has been around for a long time . Didn’t blink. The lady at the counter said our cake was the easiest order ever . We knew what we wanted. When I retruned the stuff she asked how the wedding went and did everyone like the cake. We live in Indiana

        • PickyPecker

          Not in Indiana, but our experience was the same. Small (but very good) local bakery. They didn’t care one way or another…just wanted us to be happy with the outcome. Lovely it was, too!

          • Boreal

            We got married at a small country inn/hotel and their staff made the cake. We were their first gay wedding and they were so excited about it.

          • Michael White

            So was the venue where we held the ceremony/reception . They asked if we would let them use pictures for their brochure.

          • Boreal

            Us too. I don’t think they did. The photographer was hilarious, an older man who had never photographed a same sex wedding. He asked us if there was anything different about a ss wedding, I told him we would want some photos of us hanging from the chandelier. He thought I was serious at first.

  • Henry Auvil

    Tastries should be boycotted by all ethical Californians. The lawsuits are just counterproductive. Run that witch out of business with the power of the purse.

  • AJ Drew

    Hmm… in my mail today, a flier for a bake sale for (and at!) a 25 mile away Baptist Church. (plenty closer by, btw…)

    Good luck with that! And please let your congregation know where their dollars are being spent.

  • Princess Lardass

    I’m sick of this cake nonsense.

    If I get married, I’ll just bake a tray of pot brownies.

    • AJ Drew

      I’d attend that wedding. (no pot brownies required.)

  • coram nobis

    It would be Bakersfield (no pun) of course. Kevin McCarthy’s district.

    “Our business is God’s business”? I’m not aware that God was in the pastry business; IIRR Jesus was in the building trades.

    • Natty Enquirer

      I don’t believe the gospels tell what he was up to before he became a ranting itinerant hippie.

      • coram nobis

        I’m sure Joseph would’ve wanted help with the shop. Specially after the kid wandered off in Jerusalem and went missing for three days, chatting in the temple.

      • The_Wretched

        I was always bothered by the gap of ~ 30 years in Jesus’s life story. You’d think it’d be important. OTOH, it’s entirely consistent with a story book ‘hero’ who is an amalgamation of regional myths.

        • the really fun fantasy is the stuff that deals with that. cause you know, “he” could’ve been doing… anything. magical, philosophical, ritual- there are so many choices. obviously, he lived long enough to reach ~30 and get crucified, but that was easy back then. the interesting part is the journey that led him to that point, which is conspicuously absent from the ‘official’ documents about ‘his life.’

          • RoFaWh

            That gap is dealt with in the apocrypha. (Or is the right term deuterocanonical?)

      • Michael White

        He was locked in his room. Remember when he was in the temple and told his mother “I have to be about my father’s busness?” She grabbed him by the ear and told him to never talk back to his mother. Then she locked him in his room until he was 30. I used to tell the students I taught in a catholic college . I also told them little baby jeebus peed and threw up on her too. They complained to the administration.

      • coram nobis

        It was quite a few years before he left Joseph and Mary and Nazareth according to the book, so he would have had to make himself useful somehow.

  • coram nobis

    “Hello? Do you make pasties?”

  • coram nobis

    “Hello? Do you make pasties for weddings?”

  • Tomcat

    When these assholes live by ALL the rest of the Commandment, then and only then should they be allowed to be unreasonable about who they serve.

  • Help! I’m being oppressed! Those awful gays are trying to give me money and business.

    • The_Wretched

      We should all ‘suffer’ by having people buy our products and services. Talk about ‘problems’ that are really hard to suffer.

  • coram nobis

    And Disqus seems to be on the fritz again.

    • Tomcat

      Blame it on net neutrality.

  • JT

    Girl, you need to see Andre, the gay stylist, before you set foot out of the house again.

    • RoFaWh

      She seems to have missed Sundae School the day they explained that religious married women wear their hair up except in private with their husbands. Only as-yet unmarried women may wear their hair down.

  • Tomcat

    If you frown on sexual assault then we won’t bake you a cake. signed christians

  • coram nobis

    “How about shepherd’s pie with real shepherd on top? It is a farm area, after all.”

    • boatboy_srq

      “Cottage pie, ’cause we met while cottaging.”

      No, I won’t be held responsible for the multiple coronaries when they figure that out.

  • Blake J Butler
    • Gustav2

      Good news.

  • vorpal
    • Boreal

      Anuket
      Goddess of the river Nile

      • vorpal

        I’ll suggest it to hubby. I was thinking Elvira, as in Mistress of the Dark, but he is unconvinced!

        • perversatile

          Congratulations!
          How about ‘Beulah’?

          • MT YVR

            Peel me a grape!

            The line, it’s there… it has to be said.. so I says it.

          • perversatile

            It goes without saying ‘Peelmeagrape’ would be the last name.

          • MT YVR

            Obviously. (nod nod) 😉

        • RoFaWh

          Before deciding on this name or that name, try hanging out your back door and calling “kitty, kitttty, kittykittykittykitty, here kitty”, using the name instead of “kitty”, and determine if the name comes trippingly off your tongue.

          • vorpal

            The name just presented itself tonight: Kallie.
            I always feel that animals tell you their name, as weird as that sounds. You can’t pick in advance.

    • Princess Lardass

      Epic cuteness! I have been destroyed by epic cuteness!

      Congrats, Vorpal!

    • coram nobis

      How about Madame Squeaker?

      • vorpal

        LOL! It’ll definitely be a nickname. She’s behind me now and it sounds like a bagpipe had sex with an accordion and their bastard lovechild is being run through a wood chipper.

        • MT YVR

          Ashley MacIsaac then? (sorry… just random thought down the rabbit hole of bagpipe and sex… and kitten peeing on things)

          Old Trek fave: Lokai? Close enough to Loki she can grow into trouble?

          • vorpal

            I do have a thing for gay fiddlers… (double entendre intended). Ashley MacIsaac and Owen Pallett? =swoon=

          • MT YVR

            Any kind of facial hair, musical talent and tendency to be in the same room as men in kilts (or be a man in kilts)?

            Hiya. How YOU doin’…

            (of course for my Scottish husband: Hiya, how ewe doin? )

          • Danny & Andrew

            I dated Ashley MacIsaac’s uncle & if he’s any indication, I can attest that Ashley is a VERY gifted fiddler!!

          • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

            Any chance it might be a Jewish kitty? (like one of Roy Moore’s attorney’s? Everyone’s gotta have their own Jew these days, all the cool kids are doing it).

            In which case, may I humbly suggest Tevye? Not gay, but he did fiddle.

          • vorpal

            I counted her yarmulkes and the tally was zero.
            I even double-checked my work by drinking enough wine to see double.
            I feel animals often “give” you their name. Even if we pick in advance, we end up changing it. Tonight she presented her name to us and she is Kallie.

          • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

            Good for her for letting you know what she needs to be called. Miss Kallie is very lucky to be the latest part of your family and your are lucky to have such a cutie.

        • RoFaWh

          Wait. Be patient. The goddess of cats, who has never lacked for worshippers, will ensure that (as I said earlier) the proper name will emerge naturally, without trying. You’ll start to casually call her something silly and then realize that that is her proper name.

          • vorpal

            I agree with this completely.
            She gave her name to us tonight, and she is Kallie.
            I never would have named a cat “Kallie” in all my life, but there it is.

    • Clive Johnson
    • PickyPecker

      Bagheera!

      • PickyPecker

        Adorable! Congrats to you and hubby!

      • vorpal

        He has been wanting to name a cat Bagheera for as long as I have known him!

        • RoFaWh

          “Bagheera” is at risk of devolving into “Baggie”.

          • vorpal

            My avatar kitty has quite a post-neutering gut sag, and while his name is Duncan, due to Bagheera, we started calling him Ya-gungle-puss (the Jungle Cat), which got shortened to Yagung, which turned into the nickname – based on his saggy stomach – “Bags of Yags.”

            He has no idea WTF a name is, unlike the other cats, for obvious reasons.

    • BearEyes

      Totes adorbs

    • Snarkaholic

      Congrats!
      Cleocatra?

    • Mike_in_the_Tundra

      We still sometimes call Her Majesty squeaker, because she squeaked until she was one year old. Now, let’s discuss torties. The craziest and smartest cat we ever had was a tortoise shell. She even had a Golden Retriever as a pet. She could also open every door and drawer in the house.

      • vorpal

        Ha! That is awesome!

        Our recently deceased tortie had two settings: excited and irritated.

        • Mike_in_the_Tundra

          Ours also had a loving setting – with the dog.

          • vorpal

            Ha! Ours was loving while excited, which was funny, because you never had to do anything: she would do all the petting herself by rubbing against you and everything else in the vicinity!

            I’m surprised yours got along with the dog… I thought torties were bred to hate almost everything.

          • Mike_in_the_Tundra

            She had total control of the dog, but she loved him. She often slept between his paws.

          • Bad Tom

            Some are preverts.

    • Todd Allis

      Aw, she’s beautiful. I suggest Squeezebox, squeeze for short.

      • SkokieGuy [ChicagoAdjacentGuy]

        That is outstanding and I’m totally stealing it for my next kitty (and or weinerdog, still works).

    • Oscarlating Wildely

      Bastet?

      • vorpal

        Spawn of Bastet is what Phillip in L.A. calls me :-).
        I think I’m going to keep that nickname for myself.

        • RaygunsGoZap

          Bubastis!

    • Fireclaw.

    • jerry
    • my buddie Roadie also suggests “Sada.”

    • TonberryPi

      How about plain old Squeaky, Squeaks for short? That’s what I did. 🙂

      ETA: Or for something less silly – Vesta? To go with her smoldery fireplace coloring.

    • JCF

      Teh Kewt!

    • ArchiLaw

      OMG, she’s cute! And I’m a dog guy.

    • RoFaWh

      Don’t worry about her name. It will emerge quite naturally.

      At one time I had a cat I’d raised from kittenhood. I had named her “Sar” (after an obscure SF novel). But after a while, I realized I always addressed her as “Missy”, and that became her name.

    • Jwmvh

      Adorable!

    • Galvestonian

      “Squeaker” We have one that squeaks a lot and that we originally called ‘Ozzie” but over time his name changed ’cause of his vocalizations.

  • anne marie in philly

    serve all or GTFO of business, bitch!

  • SoCalGal20
    • RoFaWh

      Doesn’t Our Steve’s b.f. realize he needs lawyers, not PR flacks?

      His guilt or innocence will ultimately be determined in accordance with law, not popularity.

  • Joe

    She shouldn’t be allowed to discriminate because of her beliefs is more like it.

  • hdtex

    “Our business is God’s business, we work for him. I shouldn’t be picked on because of my beliefs.” https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/976be0649e98adbb1a4baf1de2ddf98f3405ec41f62cb30febbcf45ad8cdfa05.jpg

    • boatboy_srq

      Makes you wonder what kind of welcome she’d expect at Your Black Muslim Bakery.

      Oh, right, Blah and unXtian, so she wouldn’t shop there anyway.

  • Dana Chilton

    Will she demand tax exemption too for her religious institution?

  • Tomcat

    If it is Gods business and you work for god why are you keeping most of the money?

  • Orly

    “Our business is God’s business, we work for him. I shouldn’t be picked on because of my beliefs.

    I would submit that we shouldn’t be “picked on” by your beliefs either.

  • SoCalGal20
    • The_Wretched

      It’s getting late on Friday for the drop.

      • JohnJay

        Have to wait until after Chanukah.

    • because innocent people *always* hire a crisis PR firm, first thing, when they are in trouble.

    • Reality.Bites

      Perhaps he could hire Kevin Spacey’s publicist. I understand he recently dropped a client.

  • JHunter
    • Boreal

      Was this on today’s show?

      • Gustav2

        Yes.

        • Boreal

          I tuned in just as Hillary was getting an xmas pantsuit so must have just missed this.

  • just shut them down. how hard is that? no need for expensive lawyers and lengthy, politicized back and forth. is it legal to discriminate? no. what happens when a business repeatedly discriminates? in Sane World, the state pulls their licenses. that’s one of the functions of government, to enforce laws equally.

    if this bakery was found to be engaged in any other sort of illegal activity this wouldn’t even be in question. they’d be closed.

  • Scott MB

    It’s simple, if you claim that you run your business according to “god” and the “bible” then you are REQUIRED to refuse to bake cakes for non-christians, divorced people, inter-racial couples, adulterers, people who eat seafood, etc. Show me that you truely follow the “bible” and deny everyone that is against what is in the “bible” a wedding cake and I will shut up about your bigotry towards same sex couples.

    Otherwise fuck off and stop using you religion as an excuse for you being a bigot!

    • The_Wretched

      Where are the cake denials to tattooed people?

      • Scott MB

        If I had a bakery and knew of another bakery that refused same sex couples I woud capitalize on that. I would run TV and radio ads letting everyone know that they refuse but I won’t and call them out by name. Nothing illegal about that, i am telling the truth so they would have zero recourse against me.

        • AJ Drew

          Well, full stop at throwing shade against competitor, but otherwise yes.

        • RoFaWh

          Just make sure your cakes are not only less homophobic but also considerably better than the other bakery’s, in terms of taste, texture, appearance, and general yumminess.

          This is easier to do if you use the best quality ingredients instead of the horrible junk foodstuffs so many bakeries use.

          • Snarkaholic

            I once worked a side gig in a bakery, and I can confirm this.

        • Snarkaholic

          We could also take pictures of the hundred empty cake mix boxes inside the dumpster behind her shop…and post them everywhere!

      • Snarkaholic

        And isn’t she, an adulterer, condemned to death in the bible?
        Let’s give her a big rock to beat herself over the head with

  • Gigi

    Whether or not you believe in God is your business. Religious beliefs, no matter how ‘deeply held’ you consider them to be, don’t give you the right to pick and choose which laws you’ll obey and which you’ll ignore. If baking a cake for a gay couple means you support same-sex marriage then voting for Roy Moore means you support child predation.

    • AJ Drew

      or, keep baking cakes, which a baker already does all day, or just don’t. Lots of things to bake and sell, perhaps, yes?

  • boatboy_srq

    But would she bake one for Roy Moore and his next 14yo victim fiancee? THAT’s the litmus test we should start demanding.

  • Lawerence Collins

    Would she make pedophile cake for all her antichrist friends accused of targeting young girls for sex. One just killed him self this week.

  • Chris Baker

    Why are you giving money to people who hate you? Wedding cakes cost hundreds of dollars. This woman could just be giving the profits she makes from you to the American Family Association, or some other anti-gay organization. How do you know she’s not going to spit on the cake, or over-bake it, or drop it on the floor, etc.

    I went to Yelp and their cakes are fine, average, nothing spectacular, and there are higher-rated bakeries in the area.

    If they say they won’t make your cake, have a friend go in and order it for you. Then put it all over FB, Instagram, Yelp, etc. “Wedding cake at my gay wedding baked by …”

    • The_Wretched

      Because it’s not about the cake. The issue is that christianists are trying to carve out an exception in law for christianists. One law for everyone else and one law for them – based on what they tell us their religion is.

      • true, but really? i want these haters to put up great big signs declaring their hatred for all to see. i do. i think a lot of them would go out of business quickly.

        • Chris Baker

          EXACTLY! They should feel free to put up a big sign in their store, and will probably lose a lot of business.

          • BobSF_94117

            Like “No Jewish Ceremonies”?

        • The_Wretched

          These legal battles are worth having. That said, yeah, of course everyone else should avoid the bigots like the plague. Market forces are perfectly good responses too.

          • leastyebejudged

            CLUELESS city dwellers not only have overt contempt for people who do not live in the city, they encourage discrimination against people who don’t live in urban areas.

            Fuck those people, though, right ?

          • The_Wretched

            Huh?

          • The_Wretched

            Calling to follow the same laws isn’t anti rural hate.

        • William of Glynn

          Absolutely! I’m still waiting on them to show us the courage of their convictions.

      • Chris Baker

        I am afraid that the bakers and florists and photographers are going to win. Because these are artistic expressions.

        Meanwhile, there are dozens of other friendly businesses who would gladly take your business. I would prefer to know ahead of time who doesn’t like me before I slap down hundreds of dollars in their store.

        Do you avoid Chick-Fil-A because they give to gay causes? Do you go to Target because they a gay-friendly? Why would you go to a bakery where the owner hates you? That doesn’t make sense.

        • The_Wretched

          “Because these are artistic expressions.”

          At law, there’s two categories of goods and services – the ones where the courts will order performance and the ones where they won’t. In law school, it’s known as the ‘purdy shotgun’ rule. Regular business bakers and florists and photographers are just not ‘artists’. No matter how much they love themselves, they aren’t being bought for their art value, put up in museums nor is it difficult for someone with the relevant skills in the trade to duplicate the work. Standard stuff doesn’t count.

          I’m all for boycotting bigots. That’s a different question from whether or not the States with anti-discrimination law should enforce against bigots who violate the law.

        • pleasebereasonable1

          Meh. To call a buttercream rose and some ganache artistic expression is a bit of a stretch to me. Would this extend to the caterers, card printers and folks setting up the tables? How about tailors and dressmakers?

        • leastyebejudged

          “Artistic expression” doesn’t protect anyone from public accommodation laws.

          After years of these issue, how is it you’ve managed to remain so pig fucking ignorant about it ?

          All this horse shit about fucking “artistic expression” – fuck you, the minute you open to the public your so-called “artistic expression” doesn’t mean SHIT.

    • William of Glynn

      “How do you know she’s not going to spit on the cake, or over-bake it, or drop it on the floor, etc.?”

      Good point. After all, she is a fundamentalist Christian.

      • coram nobis

        They tend to be half-baked anyway.

    • m_lp_ql_m

      You’re missing 2 points-
      1) Some couples may not have an option to go elsewhere,
      2) A ‘friend’ ordering a gay wedding cake will likely get shut down too

      • lymis

        Third point. The public accommodation and anti-discrimination laws don’t make a distinction between art and non-art. Erode the laws about cakes, and you erode the protections about restaurants, hotels, car sales, groceries, pharmacies, legal services, and just about anything else.

      • Longpole

        What about Wal Mart? Don’t they bake wedding cakes? Wal Marts are almost everywhere. Besides after a few beers, a cake is a cake.

  • Rocco

    Of course it is in Bakersfield…Lol…just down the road from Pixley. We oughtta start a gofundme page to send her to that Christian theocracy that she so desperately craves.

    • The_Wretched

      Maybe they could set up a christian homeland in Ethiopia.

      • Rocco

        I would miss the coffee and the injera. I vote Antarctica 🇦🇶

        • The_Wretched

          It’d be an interesting test in the relative power of the Old Ones vs the Xtian god(s).

  • Dave B

    Bakersfield…..The Alabama of California.

  • Jack

    Took ’em long enough.

    • leastyebejudged

      They sure seem to be dragging their asses on this one.

  • JIM W

    I just wish the BIGOTS would put a big sign in their window saying they don’t want LGBT business. I sure don’t want to give them any of my money if they don’t want it. Making people who want to discriminate put a sign in their businesses would soon get the word out and the LGBT’s that come in to buy cookies or cupcakes would start falling off and the bakery would soon be filing for chapter 7.

    • i’m a separatist for a reason, these days. they can’t be fixed. give them a homeland and cut them loose.

    • stevenj

      The state of Calif protects all of it’s citizens regardless of sex, sexual orientation or sexual identity (among other identifying factors like race). Would it be OK to put up a sign that says they don’t want business from African Americans? Or Muslims? If this business owner is “working for god” her business should be on her church’s property. Otherwise she is serving the public.

  • KaBoomBOX

    Artisans are not artists. No matter how much love and creativity you put into decorating a cake, in the end it’s a consumable and is gonna be eaten. No ones wedding photo ever gets hung in an art gallery or museum (except possibly as some kind of parody installation). These people just need to get over themselves.

    • leastyebejudged

      Artists don’t have any right to discriminate either, so it’s entirely irrelevant.

    • Ben in Oakland

      Actually, that’s not true. My work as a wedding photographer was hung in a gallery on several occasions.
      but generally you’re right

    • coram nobis

      The Court may end up trying to define “artist” in the Masterpiece Cakeshop case, which will really make trouble. Every baker can claim to be a Caravaggio and every wedding photographer an Ansel Adams.

  • exGander

    Okay

    One: You are in California. You should fucking know better.

    Two: You are in Bakersfield which is only slightly less exciting than Fresno.

    You are about to lose your ass.

    • leastyebejudged

      lol, gross, Fresno…

    • Tiger Quinn

      Bakersfield: Where Hope Goes to Die

      • Snarkaholic

        Hope Hicks?

    • coram nobis

      Maybe, esp. in California state courts, but maybe ADF or somebody might figure if they can win in California, esp. if it overturns a state supreme court ruling …

  • margaretpoa

    One more time for the irredeemably stupid: If you don’t want to be “picked on” for being a bigoted asshole, the solution is to stop being a bigoted asshole.

  • SFBruce

    “I shouldn’t be picked on because of my beliefs.”

    For the millionth time: you’re not being picked on for your beliefs. However, the state of California does expect you to obey the law, including the one that requires you to serve the entire public, even that part of the public which is gay.

  • juanjo54

    “Our business is God’s business, we work for him. I shouldn’t be picked on because of my beliefs.”

    I totally get that Kathy. Of course this means that you will understand completely that since my deity clearly states working on the Sabbath [sundown Friday to sundown Saturday] is a grievous offense for which the appropriate penalty is death by stoning, that we will be swinging by your place of business tomorrow, will drag you out into the street, and stone you into pulp. Since sundown comes early this time of year, we’ll be there right around closing time so as not to inconvenience you unduly.

  • Billysees

    It would be easier for the baker to simplify her attitudes according to what is written —

    1. Everyone must submit to governing authorities [and the laws they pass]. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority [and the laws they pass] have been placed there by God.

    2. So anyone who rebels against authority [and the laws they pass] is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished.

    3. For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you.

    4. The authorities [and the laws they pass] are God’s servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong [by ignoring those laws for personal reasons], of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God’s servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong.

    5. So you must submit to them [and the laws they pass], not only to avoid punishment, but also to keep a clear conscience.

    Romans 13:1-5
    [brackets mine]

    What are those laws ? —

    No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family. In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were. As some of the petitioners in these cases demonstrate, marriage embodies a love that may endure even past death. It would misunderstand these men and women to say they disrespect the idea of marriage. Their plea is that they do respect it, respect it so deeply that they seek to find its fulfillment for themselves. Their hope is not to be condemned to live in loneliness, excluded from one of civilization’s oldest institutions. They ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right.
    Justice Anthony Kennedy
    June 26, 2015

  • What are they talking about? God doesn’t like wedding cakes. God doesn’t like weddings! Did God marry the virgin Mary before he knocked her up? NO! He got her pregnant, and then told Joseph to deal with it.

    • But He did turn water into wedding cake at Cana, didn’t He?

      • No, I think you’re thinking of the two miracles Pope John Paul II performed that qualified him to become a saint. He turned wine into water, and made a blind man lame.

  • Jay Silversmith

    Get off the cross Joan. We need the wood.

  • KnownDonorDad

    At least cake martyrs are scarce. Even if SCOTUS goes all Plessy v. Ferguson, the victory would be pretty paltry compared to Obergefell – unless they spin this into employment and public accommodation – and then there’s the backlash, since this runs counter to prevailing public opinion in the U.S.

  • Jack

    Somewhat O/T but somewhat related:

    Something appeared on twitter (I think that is where it started) that has been picked up and passed around by conservatoons, and I wonder if anyone knows the REAL DEAL.

    Five years after a gay couple was denied service by a bakery in Colorado, four years after the complaint was decided in their favor, and after that decision was appealed to three courts, culminating in a hearing in the US Supreme Court, it is NOW being claimed that not only did the couple target the bakery, but they went waaaaay out of their way to do it.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ebb65e58e344add5654ad437ca89e4b3e189be7a6342fdd6480926fdd37a2517.jpg

  • All these cases just point up the arrogance and self-absorption of these so-called “Christians” — “It’s all about ME!”

    It’s a freaking cake that’s not even going to appear at the wedding. They’re not invited, they won’t be “participating,” they’re doing work for hire.

    This is interesting: “. . . prohibiting her from denying service to same-sex couples, as is her practice.” It seems to imply that she routinely discriminates against gay couples.

  • Nowhereman

    It’s a fucking cake! It doesn’t make you intimately involved with the wedding and you will not get gay cooties. Bake it, decorate it and sell it to them with a smile.

  • Nowhereman

    I sure wish that there was a way that creeps like you can be blocked from even dropping by here. Every goddam day and twice on Sundays. Take your goddam land rover and shove where the sun don’t shine.

  • Schlukitz

    “I shouldn’t be picked on because of my beliefs.”

    Lady…we don’t give a good fuck what you “believe”.

    What if she believed that black people should still be kept as slaves?

    Would the SCOTUS uphold that I wonder?

  • Bakers-field? Do bakers automatically have special rights there?

    • Sleeper Girl

      I visit the shopping center where that bakery is located frequently.
      Now I have a morbid curiosity to look inside, and perhaps even ask if
      they’d make us a 30th anniversary cake for transgender me and my very
      supportive wife.