INDONESIA: Religious Extremists Weep After Court Rules Against Petition To Criminalize Homosexuality

The Associated Press reports:

Indonesia’s top court on Thursday ruled against petitioners seeking to make gay sex and sex outside marriage illegal in a victory for the country’s besieged LGBT minority.

The 5-to-4 decision by the nine-judge panel of the Constitutional Court rejected the arguments of a conservative group, the Family Love Alliance, which believes Indonesia is being swamped by immoral behavior, fueled by the internet and social media. Members of the group wept as it became clear the court would not side with them.

Rights advocates had feared judges would criminalize tens of millions of people by outlawing gay and extramarital sex, setting back human rights in the world’s most populous Muslim nation. Separately, some lawmakers are seeking to make homosexuality a crime in an amended criminal code that might be considered by parliament next year.

Indonesian police have made multiple raids on gay bars and house parties in recent months.

  • Gustav2
    • clay

      Came here just for that.

      • Gustav2

        Glad to be good for something!

    • Bob Conti

      That picture never gets old.

  • Boy Elvis

    Between this and Moore losing I should have enough right winger tears to keep my martinis flowing until the new year.

    • KnownDonorDad

      Don’t forget those two judge nominations shot down.

  • A little bit more on these folks:

    “In July 2016, Aliansi Cinta Keluarga (Family Love Alliance), a group of 12 academics, filed a lawsuit and has petitioned the Indonesian Constitutional Court to undergo a judicial review of the Criminal Code. The intent is for the Court to consent to a series of amendments to the national Criminal Code, citing that the code as it stands contradicts Indonesia’s religious foundations. The petitioned amendments to the Criminal Code focus on three particular legislative reviews:

    1) To criminalize any and all consensual adult sexual relationships outside marriage (extra marital and non marital) as adultery.

    2) To expand the definition of pedophilia to encompass sexual relations between consenting adults, and to clarify that the law applies to same-sex relations regardless of age.

    3) To amend the current laws concerning rape to reflect gender-neutral language, and for rape to be criminalized only outside marriage.”

    • (((GC)))

      That third point is horrible even for a backwards, anti-gay, anti-sex-outside-marriage group. “…for rape to be criminalized only outside marriage” means men would face NO consequences for raping their wives.

      And they call themselves guardians of morality!

      (I don’t understand how the definition of pedophilia can meaningfully be expanded to include sex between consenting adults… unless, like Humpty Dumpty, they’re using words to mean whatever they want them to mean, as in “sex we don’t approve of”… yeah, that’s it! “There’s glory for you!”)

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      ” expand the definition of pedophilia to encompass sexual relations between consenting adults ”

      LOL wut ?!

      • Chris Baker

        They want to “redefine” pedophilia. Haha. Isn’t that the same logic they used against SSM? Words have meaning. “pedophilia” has a meaning, and it’s not two 50-year-old men having consentual sex together.

        And, they strangely say that married men who rape their wives are not committing a crime. Eeek.

    • DesertSun59

      #2 is most definitely stupid.

      But more importantly, expanding any nation’s criminal code specifically to criminalize the most foundational element of our species (sex) is tantamount to delusion. This is the power of religion. It has the ability to cause deep delusion in people at the same time that it allows them to freely walk amongst us.

      • (((GC)))

        It’s the oldest scam in the book. Co-opt a foundational drive and incomparable pleasure shared by 99% of human beings, impossibly regulate it so as to set up your adherents to fail, blame and shame them for violating your insane rules, offer (temporary) “cleansing” and “forgiveness” through the very same institution that created the problem in the first place. Blather, rinse, repeat.

    • Statistics Palin

      How about making female genital mutilation a capital crime in Indonesia?

  • Alternative Facts

    My cup runneth over with the tears of haters, bigots and assholes.
    This pleases me.

  • Jefe5084

    Cry me a river of tears.

  • Mark Née Fuzz

    Cheap theatrics. Self immolation is the way to go if you really want to make a point.

  • PickyPecker
    • Christopher

      That was beautiful! You have such a way with words!

      Thanks!

  • Ninja0980

    Like the Christofacists here, these Islamic extremists (with help from Christian ones) have lost nothing but the right to make LGBT lives hell.
    Amazing how that makes them cry but not homeless people etc.

    • Amazing how that makes them cry but not homeless people etc.

      Yeah, especially since charity is a big deal in both faiths.

      • Gigi

        Many believe that faith alone, and not works (of charity), is what will get them into heaven.

        ‘For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.’ (Ephesians 2:8-9)

        • (((GC)))

          But the Bible says just as clearly in other places that faith AND good works are necessary! Obviously the Big Guy should have gotten a better editor.

          • Gigi

            The bible also says that slicing the bellies of pregnant women open is no biggie. No so “pro-life” after all.

          • (((GC)))
          • Gigi

            I thought the total body count was low, then I read: “numbers of Flood deaths not included.” Makes sense.

          • Joseph Miceli

            Jesus adores gay sex and abortion. Adultery….not so much.

          • jonfromcalifornia

            Exactly. James 2:17, “In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.” That’s why Martin Luther the founder of Protestantism had to discard the Letter of James from his bible because it contradicted his new teaching in the 1600s.

        • ChrisMorley

          Muslims in Indonesia ignore the witterings of St Paul to the Ephesians.

        • Friday

          Funny how these ‘faith alone’ Fundagelicals believe *acts of hate* help, though.

        • Joseph Miceli

          And THAT…right there…is the difference between Christianity and “Paulism.” There are no Christians anymore, only “Paulists.” Christians would probably more resemble the Hari Krisnas.

      • Paula

        Its good to know that they have solved toeir poverty issues so thoroughly, , they have time to do things like this.

    • kareemachan

      Not to mention children without healthcare, etc.

      • TominDC

        Indonesia is in the middle of implementing their universal healthcare program.

        There have been a few problems, of course, but they’re aiming for 100% coverage in a few years.

    • Tread

      They are secretly funded by the Christofascists here. That’s what this story is missing. There’s a network of dark money funding all of this gay hatred worldwide.

      • DesertSun59

        Just like they openly fund hatred in Africa.

        • Tread

          And basically everywhere else. Besides buying mansions and Ferraris for the controllers at the top, where do you think all o that money is going?

          • Friday

            Except they probably want expensive road barges, not anything that requires a skill to drive. Witness Roy Moore never learning to freaking ride despite owning a horse and showing off some ‘cowboy’ image.

          • Tread

            I wish that horse would have fucking thrown him. What an abusive asshole.

  • Tawreos

    They put family and love in their name so you know they are serious about hating gay people

  • KnownDonorDad
  • (((GC)))
  • Sam_Handwich
    • (((GC)))

      So… is it still too early to talk about common-sense gun control after Sandy Hook?

      Yes, according to the Republican Party,
      “the party of gun care and health control.”

      (Kudos to whoever coined that phrase!)

      Reposting:
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7d90c1614a9ade01dc7ef3d58cf4ef7819c34370306c44ba6c30ed27185bb1a4.jpg
      (edited)

      • JCF

        “Gun care and Health bans”

    • clay

      Trained students in A(void), B(arricade), C(onfront) and gotten locks on my instructors’ classroom doors.

    • JCF

      Well, besides the way I’ve voted—

      A couple of months ago, I did something I’d been meaning to do for several years: I took all of my dad’s left-over ammunition (at age 97, he’s done hunting), and took it to the local sherriff’s department (they will destroy it). LOTS of bullets and shotgun shells, that can never fall into the wrong hands… [My dad has promised his guns to my brother, or I probably would have taken them in, too.]

  • Rebecca Gardner
  • IAMBOWLINGQUEEN

    “It means that the Constitutional Court is consistently strengthening its position as the guardian of the Constitution and also as protector of human rights.”

    I love it when bigotry backfires on fundamentalists. And, of course, when it goes their way, it’s god’s will. When it doesn’t .. it’s rigged.

  • thom
  • Ragnar Lothbrok

    5-4 ? Yikes !

    • (((GC)))

      In a sane world it would have been 9-0… or petitions like that would never be brought.

  • HaHaHa

    Everyone knows the stairway to heaven is paved with the dead bodies of the LGBT…..

  • thom
  • worstcultever

    Isn’t crying kind of sissy and un-penis-in-vagina-ish?

    • (((GC)))

      Very related: Tony Porter’s TED talk “A Call to Men” about the “man box”.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td1PbsV6B80

      Long version:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65-JqafAfxg

      This stuff needs to be googleable:

      man box
      The rules for “acting like a man”; the mentality, behaviors and restrictions that many men and boys are socialized to conform to. These tenets of the “cult of masculinity” are both symptoms and enablers of Dominator Culture. They can be so pervasive as to be almost invisible; yet they lead men to disrespect, mistreat, and abuse women and each other.

      THE MAN BOX

      Demonstrate power/control (especially over women)
      Aggression – Dominance – yell – intimidate
      Do not cry openly or express emotions (except for anger)
      Do not express weakness or fear – “take it”
      Don’t back down – don’t make mistakes
      Do not be “like a woman”
      Heterosexual
      Have lots of sex with women – “conquests”
      Do not be “like a gay man”
      Tough/Athletic/Competitive/Strength/Courage
      Make Decisions – Never ask for help
      Women viewed as property/objects (especially sexual objects)

      [Based largely on Tony Porter’s TED talk]

      “This is the love of my life, my daughter Jay. The world I envision for her — how do I want men to be acting and behaving? … I need you working with me and me working with you on how we raise our sons and teach them to be men — that it’s okay to not be dominating, that it’s okay to have feelings and emotions, that it’s okay to promote equality, that it’s okay to have women who are just friends and that’s it, that it’s okay to be whole, that my liberation as a man is tied to your liberation as a woman.

      I remember asking a nine-year-old boy … ‘What would life be like for you, if you didn’t have to adhere to this man box?’ He said to me, ‘I would be free.'”

      • Gustav2

        See Rep Jim Jordan (Teavangelical-OH)

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cShxjlUfmhk

        • Statistics Palin

          This doesn’t look good.

          • Gustav2

            Jordan never does. He is an idiot.

        • jerry

          Every far-right conspiracy theory in one rant.

      • jerry

        Luckily, I was born outside the box…

    • Friday

      Maybe those phobes are so insecure in their masculinity for a reason.

  • Ragnar Lothbrok
  • Dean

    Your tears are nectar.

  • netxtown

    Door #1: Streets paved in gold!
    Door #2: Nothing.
    Door #3: 72 virgins!

    Just saying……

  • Leo
    • BobSF_94117

      Russia isn’t a country anymore. It’s a crime syndicate. That it does not terrify the GOP says a lot about what the GOP is, too.

  • greenmanTN

    I wonder if there is a correlative name for “Abner” in Indonesia? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f289d0f00cb3ab3297310d41ae892b14c070dbd8dbbee47d4ee9261dadf7d16e.gif

    • Natty Enquirer

      Unlikely since it’s Hebrew.

  • LSMC1987

    They will repack the court and try again. This time winning. Hate will find a way.

    • (((GC)))

      I hope not, but it’s possible. (There’s a parallel with Popular Vote Loser Dolt 45* nominating justices and other federal judges in the US — and the Rethuglicans having held those seats open to prevent Obama from filling them.)

  • Swamped is right. You cannot defend yourself. People know what people are doing. Nothing is taboo. Where’s your God now?

  • BeaverTales

    Crocodile tears over a non-existent bogeyman. Boo Hoo!! They really are a fucked up religion, designed to thrive on LGBT bogeymen… gay loving is common in islamic societies. It truly is a love that dare not speak its name. Where gayness is a sin and secularism is a sin, then theocracy and religious persecution takes root.

    I respect no belief that demonizes gay people for being who they are. Islam needs to grow up and stop behaving like Christianity.

    • (((GC)))

      Christianity too — and many other religions! — need to grow up and stop behaving like (all too much of) Christianity. 🙂

    • Natty Enquirer

      Misogyny is the root of homophobia and it goes way back in Abrahamic religion.

      • edrex

        did you ever read suzanne pharr’s “homophobia: a weapon of sexism”? was an eye opener for my young homo activist mind years ago.

  • Steverino

    At first glance, I read the headline as “INDIANA: Religious Extremists Weep After Court Rules Against Petition To Crimalize Homosexuality”

    Silly me.

    • AdamTh

      Silly you! We all know Indiana would have approved that petition…

  • Skeptical_Inquirer

    What makes this really insane is that you know and I know a lot of these religious extremists are doing the very thing they want to make punishable by jail.

    • Ben in Oakland

      Of course they are. Anything but acknowledging their own sins.

  • Friday

    WHat the fuck do these whiny theocratic fascist oppressors think they have to cry about? They not getting enough jollies out of the persecutions they’re already perpetrating?

  • GanymedeRenard
  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Where there is religion, there is always persecution. That said, this is a surprising ruling and should, for the moment, stave off any direct assault on LGBT rights. But let’s be clear, I have no illusions the reason the court ruled as it did had more to do with extramarital fucking than the rights of sexual minorities. The province of Aceh is notoriously anti-gay and is under Islamic Sharia. Their treatment of women and gays is well documented and is beyond barbaric. Again, good for now, but wait for it….

  • ECarpenter

    5 to 4 is worth only cautious optimism. If 4 Justices thought such vileness was ok, it’s a bad sign for the current state of Indonesia.

  • Girlgoon

    We’re running out of civil rights,
    I think Wal-Mart has em ‘ cheap….

  • JWC

    dragging and kuickind into the 21st century

  • MarkBuster

    Their tears feed me

  • Joseph Miceli

    Ah! The tears of bigots, and religious swine…so delish! Maybe they’ll get so depressed they’ll kill themselves, like I’m sure they drive their own gay kids to do.

  • Kevin Andrews

    Until the World awakens to the immoral and vile toxins of these Evangelical Pedophile-Supporting Christ-O-Fascist Missionary of Hate; our lives are not safe.
    To see this demented mythologist break down and cry is Manna for my soul. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/097d3f48e9c9d29231ad528ee0f7e557d79040bfb29256d6f568f684e97686da.png

  • Al Prazolam

    It takes courage to be gay in Indonesia and countries like it. I’m glad I’m gay and wasn’t born in a Muslim or African country. As for those Christian hatemongers who go to other countries to stir up antigay hatred, can’t their passports be revoked for meddling in foreign politics?